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The poll putting UKIP on 36% for the Euros just shows that Farage has made the right decision.0
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Mr Royale,
"You're only here once and should do what makes you happy. As long as I have a good income, can spend my free time doing the things I enjoy doing with my wife, friends and family, that's enough for me."
Spot on. In my case, it's retirement.0 -
To be fair, he didn't say majority opinion did he? - let alone a majority in Pmt - but he is quite right to take an interest. Polling suggests the prospect of Tory or Tory + UKIP rule would be a key additional factor in forcing a yes vote (slightly surprisingly given the similarity of Labour policies, but there we are). Moreover the latest polling confirms Scots remain in favour of the EU (on balance).SouthamObserver said:
An observer whose interests are directly served by creating the impression that UKIP represents majority opinion in England. Can't think why!!!Carnyx said:
[earlier comments edited for space]
Here's an appraisal [edit: of the Bath UKIP event] from a perhaps slightly unexpected quarter - an independent (in at least one sense!) observer who is nevertheless well aware of the implications.
http://wingsoverscotland.com/the-belly-of-the-beast/#more-54179
Meanwhile, presumably Alyn Smith the SNP MEP will shortly be calling on the LDs to withdraw their scurrilous allegations over what he said at a Scottish Law Society meeting last night or face legal action:
... At a debate organised by the Law Society in Scotland, Alyn Smith, SNP MEP, said that the SNP leadership should admit that they had made a mistake over an independent Scotland’s EU membership. They assert that they would be able to get in with the same terms as the rest of the UK, despite a growing pile of evidence to the contrary. There is little doubt that an independent Scotland would get EU membership at some point, but the terms and the speed at which it would happen are far from clear.
Smith told the astonished crowd that the SNP leadership had not listened to his advice that membership would not be as automatic as they had claimed.
http://www.libdemvoice.org/trouble-in-paradisesnp-mep-says-leadership-should-admit-they-made-a-mistake-over-independent-scotlands-eu-membership-39589.html
Thanks for that LD thing too. It's actually ambiguous as to what he actually said as opposed to what is LD comment, so I'll wait and see what he actually said from another source or two. In any case, debate and disagreement are healthy!0 -
Mr. Charles, that reminds me of last night's ITV News at Ten. The economics editor visited Redcar, which he pronounced Red Car, rather than Redka (almost Redk).0
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MikeK - many happy returns to you. Fantastic milestone. Have a great day.0
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This is hideous:
"Oklahoma inmate dies after 'botched' lethal injection"
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Which it had to be.....which he could have known.......Quincel said:
He did. The speculation began when he said that he'd "seriously consider" standing if the by-election was post-Euros.MikeK said:
He didn't. It was a full scale onslaught by by the MSM and the Lab/Lib/Con urging Farage to stand, in the hope of him coming 2nd or worse. His reasons for declining the poison chalice was sound and politicly wise.SeanT said:There. Stupid. Now he looks wimpy and daft.
Why did he ever let speculation arise?
Tish tish. A bad unforced error.
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Thanks Nick.NickPalmer said:FPT for AndyJS:
AndyJS said:
"Had dinner with Adam Boulton and the Sky News team tonight, as they prepare for election coverage of potential winning PPCs - all off the record so I won't quote anything, but an interesting session and illuminating about the leader debates."
Maybe you could point Adam Boulton in the direction of my candidates' list if you see him again. I don't think anyone else is doing one.
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OK - I have an email for follow-ups. Remind me what it comprises exactly and how to contact you?
This is the candidates spreadsheet. My email address is in the title:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0At91c3wX1Wu5dFkzTjFrRmJRN3F6ODBTTEs4NGFhcUE#gid=0
It's basically what it says on the tin. I only did it because no-one else seemed to be doing so. I'm sure each party has a list but they tend to keep them private.0 -
MikeK
Happy Birthday. Hope you have a joyful day. Will you be with family?0 -
Liberal Democrat supporter Mike Smithson not spinning expectations for a rival party at all...0
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He did 'seriously consider' it, slept on it and decided it wasn't the right moveQuincel said:
He did. The speculation began when he said that he'd "seriously consider" standing if the by-election was post-Euros.MikeK said:
He didn't. It was a full scale onslaught by by the MSM and the Lab/Lib/Con urging Farage to stand, in the hope of him coming 2nd or worse. His reasons for declining the poison chalice was sound and politicly wise.SeanT said:There. Stupid. Now he looks wimpy and daft.
Why did he ever let speculation arise?
Tish tish. A bad unforced error.
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Haha! Not quite there yet ;-) God knows what the world will be like in 2050.CD13 said:Mr Royale,
"You're only here once and should do what makes you happy. As long as I have a good income, can spend my free time doing the things I enjoy doing with my wife, friends and family, that's enough for me."
Spot on. In my case, it's retirement.0 -
If the Tories are on 18% nationally, I dread to think what they're heading for in places like Liverpool and Glasgow.0
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In a major setback, UKIP only secured 35% of the vote in yesterday's Euro ElectionsTheScreamingEagles said:'Kin Hell
TNS BMRB poll on the Euros
UKIP 36%
The result represents a major blow for the party and have prompted calls for leader Nigel Farage's resignation
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"Suthell" RHYMES WITH Fallon.Charles said:
There's an ongoing dispute in our family on how to pronounce the name of 2 villages...AndyJS said:Southwell is usually pronounced "Suthell" in the context of the race course, but for the town itself it's a 50/50 split.
Only in Britain could you have a situation where the locals don't know how to pronounce the name of their own town:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/nottingham/content/image_galleries/southwell_or_suthell_gallery.shtml?30 -
He (just) did it quickly enough not to suffer any lasting damage as a result of mulling it over too. The whole thing has been over within a single news cycle, so no one will really notice. Some would have done had the 'will he/won't he' spilled over into tonight's evening news bulletins.AndyJS said:The poll putting UKIP on 36% for the Euros just shows that Farage has made the right decision.
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Perhaps being a bit cynical, but if UKIP won 100% of the GB seats at the EUROs - would it really make any difference?
Yes, there may be a few odd remarks in Brussels etc, but surely 2015 is the major focus and key.0 -
The anti-UKIP brigade on Twitter are desperately trying to sell the line that Farage "bottled" Newark, but unfortunately their efforts are being eclipsed by this new poll giving the party a stunning 9% lead.0
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I'll not have anything said against the first Star Wars trilogy - it's a fabulous set of films, and the assault on Hoth in the second picture still looks world-class today. It's awe-inspiring in BluRay, and my young son loves the films. I despise the new films, but for some reason have higher hopes for the next set.0
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Gerhard Schroder manages to make Tony Blair look good.
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/uproar-in-germany-as-putin-attends-schröder-party-1.17778900 -
@CD13CD13 said:Mr Royale,
"You're only here once and should do what makes you happy. As long as I have a good income, can spend my free time doing the things I enjoy doing with my wife, friends and family, that's enough for me."
Spot on. In my case, it's retirement.
Being really serious, how do you manage retirement? My family are always nagging me to do so, but I am awake at 4am with new ideas running through my mind and every day I am thrilled and motivated in conquering a new challenge - in the office at 7am.
As technology and globalisation are moving so quickly, it is a very exciting time for adapting and growing businesses - only yesterday we had new business to solve problems with offshore oil rigs in Ghana and Singapore. Should I let the spring run down?
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Hmm I think the first of the prequels set the tone wrongly for the others. There's some good things in both AOTC and RotS, maybe not enough to salvage the prequels as a whole though.BobaFett said:I'll not have anything said against the first Star Wars trilogy - it's a fabulous set of films, and the assault on Hoth in the second picture still looks world-class today. It's awe-inspiring in BluRay, and my young son loves the films. I despise the new films, but for some reason have higher hopes for the next set.
Phantom Menance can go and die in a fire though.0 -
MikeK said:
It's quite something to see when Lab/Lib/Con supporters on PB and in the MSM urge Farage to stand in Newark: all hoping to see him come unstuck by coming in second and derailing the UKIP advance.
This must be the first time I can remember in British politics when there is complete unanimity of Lab/Lib/Con in their hatred and fear of a fourth party.
Happy Birthday Mike.
Nige has already given you one gift by making the decision that's left the has been parties fuming, hope your other presents are as enjoyable
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Not directly, UKIP adopt the 'deny everything, Baldrick' approach. But it might mean the UK doesn't really amend/review proposed EU legislation in the EU parliament very much. Such influence can be exaggerated easily, but for a nation the size of the UK there is a little bit of opportunity to add a clause or two.Financier said:Perhaps being a bit cynical, but if UKIP won 100% of the GB seats at the EUROs - would it really make any difference?
Yes, there may be a few odd remarks in Brussels etc, but surely 2015 is the major focus and key.
On the plus side it would put the heebie jeebies up the EU, as it realised British disengagement and withdrawal was becoming a serious prospect (similar to the UK government and SNP success in Scotland, encouraging the offer of devomax) thereby strengthening Cameron's hand in the renegotiation. Provided he dealt his cards correctly.
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When will the political establishment/lefties on twitter/whatever realise that the more you call a substantial proportion of the country racist or xenophobic or the like, the more you just drive support to them and harden the support.0
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Even with the lower turnout in the Euro elections, to win 100% of the seats under the D'Hondt system UKIP would have to receive almost as many votes as the Conservatives did in the 1992 general election, which is currently the record in terms of the absolute number of votes.Financier said:Perhaps being a bit cynical, but if UKIP won 100% of the GB seats at the EUROs - would it really make any difference?
Yes, there may be a few odd remarks in Brussels etc, but surely 2015 is the major focus and key.
Consequently, it would be an enormous political earthquake, the likes of which no democracy has ever seen before.
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Piece by Len McCluskey
http://labourlist.org/2014/04/unites-priority-is-a-labour-victory/
Also one by Sunny Hundal
http://labourlist.org/2014/04/why-british-politics-is-going-through-its-most-turbulent-time-in-modern-history/0 -
Revolt on the Right @RevoltonRight 4m
Westminster Village last week: "We must fight UKIP by exposing them as racist". Eur Par poll today: UKIP on 36%, 7 pts ahead of Lab0 -
Mr. Slackbladder, it'll take time for them to adjust. People have been shouted down by playing the race card (cf immigration) and similar Guardianista dictionaries for so long that they've had enough of it, and the media/political class haven't adapted to that.0
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But it is possible to bottle it for the right reasons. As Farage told Today, ‘I’m a fighter, I’m a warrior, but you have to pick your battles in life’. Why exhaust yourself on a fight you don’t think you can win? Ukip’s image is still very fragile. Instead, Farage can raise the profile of another Diane James-style candidate which gives the impression that his party isn’t a one-man band. ‘It’s about time that we had other people with a high profile in this country,’ he said. He has bottled it, but he knows it’s better than jumping off a cliff now.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/isabel-hardman/2014/04/farage-wisely-bottles-the-newark-by-election-im-a-fighter-im-a-warrior/0 -
We'll see how hard the support is in 2015. But you are right: UKIP attracts its fair share of racists, but the vast majority of those who will vote for it next month are very far from that. In the same way, most people who vote Labour do not hate Britain, do not spend their days drinking champagne in Islington, are not immigrants and are not the feckless workshy.Slackbladder said:When will the political establishment/lefties on twitter/whatever realise that the more you call a substantial proportion of the country racist or xenophobic or the like, the more you just drive support to them and harden the support.
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They won't. They are in their comfort zone and like talking to themselves.Slackbladder said:When will the political establishment/lefties on twitter/whatever realise that the more you call a substantial proportion of the country racist or xenophobic or the like, the more you just drive support to them and harden the support.
I challenged a leftie friend on this who posted an anti-UKIP diatribe on his Facebook page that was much 'liked' by his friends. I commented that it would have the exact opposite effect to what he intended, that I'd voted UKIP before and did not think Farage was an ogre.
He phoned me on my mobile to complain.0 -
That was quite good until the penultimate paragraph, where the wishful thinking he diagnoses in others overtook the author.....Financier said:
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Wait - what is Nick Griffin up to these days ? Oooh we mustn't have him on telly..Slackbladder said:When will the political establishment/lefties on twitter/whatever realise that the more you call a substantial proportion of the country racist or xenophobic or the like, the more you just drive support to them and harden the support.
One way to burst a bubble is to blow it up - until it pops.
Ukip are hammering at the pump.0 -
Trolls rush in where Nigel fears to tread.CarlottaVance said:But it is possible to bottle it for the right reasons. As Farage told Today, ‘I’m a fighter, I’m a warrior, but you have to pick your battles in life’. Why exhaust yourself on a fight you don’t think you can win? Ukip’s image is still very fragile. Instead, Farage can raise the profile of another Diane James-style candidate which gives the impression that his party isn’t a one-man band. ‘It’s about time that we had other people with a high profile in this country,’ he said. He has bottled it, but he knows it’s better than jumping off a cliff now.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/isabel-hardman/2014/04/farage-wisely-bottles-the-newark-by-election-im-a-fighter-im-a-warrior/
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Thanks, Andy. Can't actually see the email address though? If you want to let me know offsite, I'm on nickmp1 at aol dot com.AndyJS said:
It's basically what it says on the tin. I only did it because no-one else seemed to be doing so. I'm sure each party has a list but they tend to keep them private.0 -
Desperate Dan getting it wrong again
Matthew Goodwin @GoodwinMJ 1h
This is awful. Newark is anything but a headache for UKIP. http://bit.ly/1n05gi70 -
Tim Aker @Tim_Aker 4m
If we had any influence in the EU, why has the UK lost its challenge against the financial transaction tax? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27218615 …0 -
I don't particularly buy the problem of looking "frit" in this case. People don't think Farage is the sort of person that runs from a fight, so therefore he doesn't need to worry about it. His main goal is to keep UKIP in people's minds, and so getting publicity from a "will he, won't he" case helps.Richard_Tyndall said:Oh and for the record. Right decision from Farage but bloody awful expectations management. He should have killed the speculation dead last night before it even started. There has been plenty of warning that this by-election might be called and UKIP should have had a strategy in place to deal with the speculation weeks ago.
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Farage interview with Norman Smith.Farage looking for a "3-way marginal"-presumably Con-Lab-Ukip- as ideal conditions for him to stand.South Thanet fits the bill-Ukip 9-4 but keep an eye on Great Yarmouth,another likely 3-way contest,where the current Ukip candidate faces the courts.Should the court decision go against him,another possibility emerges.Currently,Ukip are 5-1 in the constituency betting.
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Revolt on the Right: Explaining Support for the Radical Right in Britain (Extremism and Democracy) [Paperback]
Robert Ford (Author), Matthew J. Goodwin (Author) £14.99
Published this March, has anyone read this and is it worth buying?0 -
I agree on the BNP, but UKIP is not the BNP, and Farage is clearly not Griffin. The BNP are/were clearly a racist party, based on racist beliefs. UKIP is a different kettle of fish and speak and appeal to a much wider electorate.TGOHF said:
Wait - what is Nick Griffin up to these days ? Oooh we mustn't have him on telly..Slackbladder said:When will the political establishment/lefties on twitter/whatever realise that the more you call a substantial proportion of the country racist or xenophobic or the like, the more you just drive support to them and harden the support.
One way to burst a bubble is to blow it up - until it pops.
Ukip are hammering at the pump.
In addition UKIP have broken out of that minority party shell, especially if they (which may well be likely) top the Euro election.0 -
Right I've had a look at the seat, assessed the odds and I've bet the Conservatives.
They will lose vote share but looking at http://www.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/election2013 the Conservatives held all the wards that make up the constituency (Except a single independent); the seat is #143 safest according to electoral calculus; it is projected to have an 86% chance of a hold by electoralcalculus.co.uk - (I reckon it is more like 70% though); Richard Tyndall of this parish reckons UKIP's chances are < 10%. And alot of people will take the 5-2 on UKIP whilst it is dreadful value I think. The 10-3 on Labour may also be value... but I'm not convinced their chances are 23% or higher.
Farage not standing now makes it a bit safer too.
£12 Conservatives @ 8-11.0 -
Barbara Roche on Newsnight yesterday seemed to have a strange definition of the word "racist". As far as I know, Romanians aren't a different race to British people.0
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My goodness. What the other big parties really need to do now is go all in on presenting themselves as one establishment front, and scream "racist" even louder. That'll work wonders.TheScreamingEagles said:'Kin Hell
TNS BMRB poll on the Euros
UKIP 36%
Lab 27%
Con 18%
LD 10%
Others 9%0 -
A one man band if he stood, a bottler if he didn't.Socrates said:
I don't particularly buy the problem of looking "frit" in this case. People don't think Farage is the sort of person that runs from a fight, so therefore he doesn't need to worry about it. His main goal is to keep UKIP in people's minds, and so getting publicity from a "will he, won't he" case helps.Richard_Tyndall said:Oh and for the record. Right decision from Farage but bloody awful expectations management. He should have killed the speculation dead last night before it even started. There has been plenty of warning that this by-election might be called and UKIP should have had a strategy in place to deal with the speculation weeks ago.
Of course he made the right decision, the frothing on here is your evidence
"Heads I win, tails you lose" from the MSM and worried PBers.. thought that was Dan Hodges territory
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It's no stranger than Nigel Farage's definition of race.AndyJS said:Barbara Roche on Newsnight yesterday seemed to have a strange definition of the word "racist". As far as I know, Romanians aren't a different race to British people.
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@TSE recommends it.. don't pay £14.99 though!Financier said:Revolt on the Right: Explaining Support for the Radical Right in Britain (Extremism and Democracy) [Paperback]
Robert Ford (Author), Matthew J. Goodwin (Author) £14.99
Published this March, has anyone read this and is it worth buying?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Revolt-Right-Explaining-Extremism-Democracy-ebook/dp/B00J0A11IQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1398777143&sr=8-1&keywords=revolt+on+the+right0 -
....and Tory voters don't eat babies.SouthamObserver said:
We'll see how hard the support is in 2015. But you are right: UKIP attracts its fair share of racists, but the vast majority of those who will vote for it next month are very far from that. In the same way, most people who vote Labour do not hate Britain, do not spend their days drinking champagne in Islington, are not immigrants and are not the feckless workshy.Slackbladder said:When will the political establishment/lefties on twitter/whatever realise that the more you call a substantial proportion of the country racist or xenophobic or the like, the more you just drive support to them and harden the support.
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I spend my life trying to reduce my commitments!CD13 said:Mr Royale,
"You're only here once and should do what makes you happy. As long as I have a good income, can spend my free time doing the things I enjoy doing with my wife, friends and family, that's enough for me."
Spot on. In my case, it's retirement.0 -
I do hope he is joking but Michael McGough who is on the UKIP NEC just posted up this on FB..
"Wanted for short term job in Parliament but with long term prospects.
Who's young and bright with links to Nottinghamshire ?"0 -
What is Farage's definition of race?SouthamObserver said:
It's no stranger than Nigel Farage's definition of race.AndyJS said:Barbara Roche on Newsnight yesterday seemed to have a strange definition of the word "racist". As far as I know, Romanians aren't a different race to British people.
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Didn't the former Labour immigration minister Barbara Roche, coin the phrase 'Euracism' - I wonder how many voters are still scratching their heads over that piece of twaddle.AndyJS said:Barbara Roche on Newsnight yesterday seemed to have a strange definition of the word "racist". As far as I know, Romanians aren't a different race to British people.
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When Hague was Leader of the Tories and spoke in measured tones about immigration he was labelled as racist and discussion was largely shut down. Of course Labour ( rub the right's nose in it) shouted the loudest. So the tactic worked then. But probably won't now.Slackbladder said:When will the political establishment/lefties on twitter/whatever realise that the more you call a substantial proportion of the country racist or xenophobic or the like, the more you just drive support to them and harden the support.
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People often seem to use the word racist when bigotry would be the correct choice.0
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Good God man! Why don't you just come out and say things?!SouthamObserver said:
It's no stranger than Nigel Farage's definition of race.AndyJS said:Barbara Roche on Newsnight yesterday seemed to have a strange definition of the word "racist". As far as I know, Romanians aren't a different race to British people.
Go on then, what is Nigel Farage's definition of race?
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And "Wherwell" RHYMES WITH BurrillPulpstar said:
"Suthell" RHYMES WITH Fallon.Charles said:
There's an ongoing dispute in our family on how to pronounce the name of 2 villages...AndyJS said:Southwell is usually pronounced "Suthell" in the context of the race course, but for the town itself it's a 50/50 split.
Only in Britain could you have a situation where the locals don't know how to pronounce the name of their own town:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/nottingham/content/image_galleries/southwell_or_suthell_gallery.shtml?3
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Ladbrokes let me stake £68 on Newark and I hardly ever bet.
And just been told that EU Elections market is temp suspended while prices revised.0 -
This should be media training in how not to deal with UKIPSouthamObserver said:
It's no stranger than Nigel Farage's definition of race.AndyJS said:Barbara Roche on Newsnight yesterday seemed to have a strange definition of the word "racist". As far as I know, Romanians aren't a different race to British people.
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Message to the establishment parties: stop picking on slightly thick UKIP candidates in backwaters like St Leonards. It's only increasing their support. Put forward some positive arguments in favour of Europe — such as this, for example:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/seanthomas/100238999/heres-how-i-would-sell-the-european-union-if-i-had-to/0 -
Who did you back ?astateofdenmark said:Ladbrokes let me stake £68 on Newark and I hardly ever bet.
And just been told that EU Elections market is temp suspended while prices revised.
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How annoying. I was only able to bet a miserable £25 yesterday on UKIP at 2/1.astateofdenmark said:Ladbrokes let me stake £68 on Newark and I hardly ever bet.
And just been told that EU Elections market is temp suspended while prices revised.
For OGH it was £12.50 IIRC.0 -
Mr. Denmark, good to see you on.
Just seen the Roche appearance on Newsnight. Not staggeringly good.0 -
Tories, I'd want a lot lot more than 2/1 to be punting on UKIP. Normally tory/labour would be at most 1/3 in one of their "safe" seats. Suspect the price will tighten once the media frenzy dies down.0
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Looks like Ladbrokes saved you some money.AndyJS said:
How annoying. I was only able to bet a miserable £25 yesterday on UKIP at 2/1.astateofdenmark said:Ladbrokes let me stake £68 on Newark and I hardly ever bet.
And just been told that EU Elections market is temp suspended while prices revised.
For OGH it was £12.50 IIRC.
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I'll lay you another £20 @ 11-4 on UKIP if you like.AndyJS said:
How annoying. I was only able to bet a miserable £25 yesterday on UKIP at 2/1.astateofdenmark said:Ladbrokes let me stake £68 on Newark and I hardly ever bet.
And just been told that EU Elections market is temp suspended while prices revised.
For OGH it was £12.50 IIRC.0 -
The biggest thing which UKIP will do is UKIPise the tory party going forward.. there is no way which any future leader of the tories will be able to resist taking on and adopting some/most of UKIPs arguements.0
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Not really following things closely for a couple of years so have no idea who Roche is. Or interest.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Denmark, good to see you on.
Just seen the Roche appearance on Newsnight. Not staggeringly good.
Reading about Newark on the phone this morning has temporarily brought me back to life.0 -
A good old fashioned hundred yard dash, none of this French imported 'metre' rubbish.isam said:
Good God man! Why don't you just come out and say things?!SouthamObserver said:
It's no stranger than Nigel Farage's definition of race.AndyJS said:Barbara Roche on Newsnight yesterday seemed to have a strange definition of the word "racist". As far as I know, Romanians aren't a different race to British people.
Go on then, what is Nigel Farage's definition of race?0 -
If UKIP get 36% in the Euros they'd be favourites in Newark surely.0
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I did enjoy the start of The Phantom Menace, especially as it showed the full capability of a light sabre and explains how Jedi can stand up to blasters etc. I even had a brief flirtation with designing one but it wouldn't have been a light sabre but a plasma sabre, contained by magnetic fields. Power source was a problem as I needed a small power station to make it work :-)Slackbladder said:
Hmm I think the first of the prequels set the tone wrongly for the others. There's some good things in both AOTC and RotS, maybe not enough to salvage the prequels as a whole though.BobaFett said:I'll not have anything said against the first Star Wars trilogy - it's a fabulous set of films, and the assault on Hoth in the second picture still looks world-class today. It's awe-inspiring in BluRay, and my young son loves the films. I despise the new films, but for some reason have higher hopes for the next set.
Phantom Menance can go and die in a fire though.0 -
Poor UKIP, even the BNP are attacking them in their election broadcast.isam said:
This should be media training in how not to deal with UKIPSouthamObserver said:
It's no stranger than Nigel Farage's definition of race.AndyJS said:Barbara Roche on Newsnight yesterday seemed to have a strange definition of the word "racist". As far as I know, Romanians aren't a different race to British people.
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Whilst subjecting us to 5 years of Ed Miliband ?Slackbladder said:The biggest thing which UKIP will do is UKIPise the tory party going forward.. there is no way which any future leader of the tories will be able to resist taking on and adopting some/most of UKIPs arguements.
Thanks Nige.
If they really wanted to get MPs and influence the Con party they would stand down in Eurosceptic Tory Mp seats - and focus on say 50-100 of the wettest candidate seats (inc Ken Clarke).
That they don't suggests it really is all about the cult of Nigel.
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Will you be voting UKIP in 2015?SeanT said:I've just baxtered this latest poll, as if it were for a Westminster General Election.
It produces these results:
Labour: 213
Lib Dems: 9
UKIP: 380
Tories: 21
O, how a small, mean part of me would laugh, very hard, if that actually happened.0 -
In the end, for all the man of the people, shredding the political Establishment, here comes the revolution shtick, Farage decided that he would lose in Newark. The self-styled champion of the people was afraid to put it to the people. Awkward.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/iainmartin1/100269563/nigel-farage-champion-of-the-people-is-afraid-to-put-it-to-the-people/0 -
It's nailed on - nothing can stop the Faragarians.SeanT said:I've just baxtered this latest poll, as if it were for a Westminster General Election.
It produces these results:
Labour: 213
Lib Dems: 9
UKIP: 380
Tories: 21
O, how a small, mean part of me would laugh, very hard, if that actually happened.0 -
They stood down in seats last time and all it did was make the Tories feel less threatened. If UKIP are seen to cost the Tories an election and threaten to do it again what Tory leader could make anything other than an unbreakable referendum pledge or dare break it?TGOHF said:
Whilst subjecting us to 5 years of Ed Miliband ?Slackbladder said:The biggest thing which UKIP will do is UKIPise the tory party going forward.. there is no way which any future leader of the tories will be able to resist taking on and adopting some/most of UKIPs arguements.
Thanks Nige.
If they really wanted to get MPs and influence the Con party they would stand down in Eurosceptic Tory Mp seats - and focus on say 50-100 of the wettest candidate seats (inc Ken Clarke).
That they don't suggests it really is all about the cult of Nigel.0 -
According to the Daily Mail, the Rt Hon. Sir Alan Moses will head up the Independent Press Standards Organisation. With no regulator recognised by the government's Recognition Panel, sections 34 to 42 of the Crime and Courts Act 2013 are still not in force. It seems unlikely that those provisions will enter into force any time soon. Has the press (contra Leveson and every major politician) set up a workable system of independent self-regulation for which no new legislation was needed?0
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Any party which could lose safe seats such as Ribble Valley in 1991 or Christchurch or Newbury in 1993 could lose Newark in 2014 if an opposition party got its act together .0
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I've just had as much as shadsy will allow me on the Conservatives in Newark. 8/11 is very generous considering that Labour would need a 16% swing and UKIP would need a 25% swing.astateofdenmark said:Tories, I'd want a lot lot more than 2/1 to be punting on UKIP. Normally tory/labour would be at most 1/3 in one of their "safe" seats. Suspect the price will tighten once the media frenzy dies down.
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Which seats did they stand down in , can you post a link to the Ukip announcement of this and which Europhiliac Con seats did they target ?Quincel said:
They stood down in seats last time and all it did was make the Tories feel less threatened. If UKIP are seen to cost the Tories an election and threaten to do it again what Tory leader could make anything other than an unbreakable referendum pledge or dare break it?TGOHF said:
Whilst subjecting us to 5 years of Ed Miliband ?Slackbladder said:The biggest thing which UKIP will do is UKIPise the tory party going forward.. there is no way which any future leader of the tories will be able to resist taking on and adopting some/most of UKIPs arguements.
Thanks Nige.
If they really wanted to get MPs and influence the Con party they would stand down in Eurosceptic Tory Mp seats - and focus on say 50-100 of the wettest candidate seats (inc Ken Clarke).
That they don't suggests it really is all about the cult of Nigel.
Or do you misremember ?0 -
I'm afraid that's the problem with the current narrative it's had its day. In decscending orderSouthamObserver said:
It's no stranger than Nigel Farage's definition of race.AndyJS said:Barbara Roche on Newsnight yesterday seemed to have a strange definition of the word "racist". As far as I know, Romanians aren't a different race to British people.
Racism
Xenophobia
Chauvinism
Nationalism
Putting your own interests first
The current attempts to wrap them all up as one package and call it racism are stupid and only fool the idiots trying to push the line "object to our view and you're a racist". In the end it's self defeating as it only reinforces the views of those being told they can't have an opinion.0 -
Happy Birthday, Mr K! I trust you'll be celebrating in suitable style.
Meanwhile, in this straitened times, I hope the Conservatives will be able to recycle these, with a minor changew of 'Brown' to 'Nige':
http://conservatives.eurorscg.com/bottler-brown/
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Thank God UKIP have turned up to steer people away from them.corporeal said:
Poor UKIP, even the BNP are attacking them in their election broadcast.isam said:
This should be media training in how not to deal with UKIPSouthamObserver said:
It's no stranger than Nigel Farage's definition of race.AndyJS said:Barbara Roche on Newsnight yesterday seemed to have a strange definition of the word "racist". As far as I know, Romanians aren't a different race to British people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am2-fVIkf8I
Can see why the poor & uneducated were tempted, but the difference is that UKIP stand up for British people of all hues, without a sinister undertone of race hate and white superiority while offering a middle way of controlled immigration rather than the extremes of the Labour, Conservatives and Lib Dems (uncontrolled) on one side and the BNP (none) on the other.0 -
You and @Astateofdenmark have convinced me as well as my own readings, just put another £50 on the Conservatives.antifrank said:
I've just had as much as shadsy will allow me on the Conservatives in Newark. 8/11 is very generous considering that Labour would need a 16% swing and UKIP would need a 25% swing.astateofdenmark said:Tories, I'd want a lot lot more than 2/1 to be punting on UKIP. Normally tory/labour would be at most 1/3 in one of their "safe" seats. Suspect the price will tighten once the media frenzy dies down.
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http://conservativehome.blogs.com/goldlist/2010/04/ukip-will-actively-campaign-for-the-reelection-of-six-conservative-mps-and-one-labour-mp.htmlTGOHF said:
Which seats did they stand down in , can you post a link to the Ukip announcement of this and which Europhiliac Con seats did they target ?Quincel said:
They stood down in seats last time and all it did was make the Tories feel less threatened. If UKIP are seen to cost the Tories an election and threaten to do it again what Tory leader could make anything other than an unbreakable referendum pledge or dare break it?TGOHF said:
Whilst subjecting us to 5 years of Ed Miliband ?Slackbladder said:The biggest thing which UKIP will do is UKIPise the tory party going forward.. there is no way which any future leader of the tories will be able to resist taking on and adopting some/most of UKIPs arguements.
Thanks Nige.
If they really wanted to get MPs and influence the Con party they would stand down in Eurosceptic Tory Mp seats - and focus on say 50-100 of the wettest candidate seats (inc Ken Clarke).
That they don't suggests it really is all about the cult of Nigel.
Or do you misremember ?
And they also consequently stood down their candidate against Mark Reckless in Rochester and Strood.0 -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27216172TGOHF said:
Which seats did they stand down in , can you post a link to the Ukip announcement of this and which Europhiliac Con seats did they target ?Quincel said:
They stood down in seats last time and all it did was make the Tories feel less threatened. If UKIP are seen to cost the Tories an election and threaten to do it again what Tory leader could make anything other than an unbreakable referendum pledge or dare break it?TGOHF said:
Whilst subjecting us to 5 years of Ed Miliband ?Slackbladder said:The biggest thing which UKIP will do is UKIPise the tory party going forward.. there is no way which any future leader of the tories will be able to resist taking on and adopting some/most of UKIPs arguements.
Thanks Nige.
If they really wanted to get MPs and influence the Con party they would stand down in Eurosceptic Tory Mp seats - and focus on say 50-100 of the wettest candidate seats (inc Ken Clarke).
That they don't suggests it really is all about the cult of Nigel.
Or do you misremember ?
The other thing these tactics do is destroy the morale of half your foot-soldiers who you're asking to pound pavements.0 -
What is UKIP's policy on penguins?isam said:
Thank God UKIP have turned up to steer people away from them.corporeal said:
Poor UKIP, even the BNP are attacking them in their election broadcast.isam said:
This should be media training in how not to deal with UKIPSouthamObserver said:
It's no stranger than Nigel Farage's definition of race.AndyJS said:Barbara Roche on Newsnight yesterday seemed to have a strange definition of the word "racist". As far as I know, Romanians aren't a different race to British people.
Can see why the poor & uneducated were tempted, but the difference is that UKIP stand up for British people of all hues, without a sinister undertone of race hate and white superiority while offering a middle way of controlled immigration rather than the extremes of the Labour, Conservatives and Lib Dems (uncontrolled) on one side and the BNP (none) on the other.
Ed Miliband going on the UKIP=Thatcherism line which is an interesting form of attack.0 -
Think you posted the wrong link - nothing in there about standing down in any seat - mostly the sound of a bottle crashing.Quincel said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27216172TGOHF said:
Which seats did they stand down in , can you post a link to the Ukip announcement of this and which Europhiliac Con seats did they target ?Quincel said:
They stood down in seats last time and all it did was make the Tories feel less threatened. If UKIP are seen to cost the Tories an election and threaten to do it again what Tory leader could make anything other than an unbreakable referendum pledge or dare break it?TGOHF said:
Whilst subjecting us to 5 years of Ed Miliband ?Slackbladder said:The biggest thing which UKIP will do is UKIPise the tory party going forward.. there is no way which any future leader of the tories will be able to resist taking on and adopting some/most of UKIPs arguements.
Thanks Nige.
If they really wanted to get MPs and influence the Con party they would stand down in Eurosceptic Tory Mp seats - and focus on say 50-100 of the wettest candidate seats (inc Ken Clarke).
That they don't suggests it really is all about the cult of Nigel.
Or do you misremember ?
The other thing these tactics do is destroy the morale of half your foot-soldiers who you're asking to pound pavements.0 -
Quincel said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27216172TGOHF said:
Which seats did they stand down in , can you post a link to the Ukip announcement of this and which Europhiliac Con seats did they target ?Quincel said:
They stood down in seats last time and all it did was make the Tories feel less threatened. If UKIP are seen to cost the Tories an election and threaten to do it again what Tory leader could make anything other than an unbreakable referendum pledge or dare break it?TGOHF said:
Whilst subjecting us to 5 years of Ed Miliband ?Slackbladder said:The biggest thing which UKIP will do is UKIPise the tory party going forward.. there is no way which any future leader of the tories will be able to resist taking on and adopting some/most of UKIPs arguements.
Thanks Nige.
If they really wanted to get MPs and influence the Con party they would stand down in Eurosceptic Tory Mp seats - and focus on say 50-100 of the wettest candidate seats (inc Ken Clarke).
That they don't suggests it really is all about the cult of Nigel.
Or do you misremember ?
The other thing these tactics do is destroy the morale of half your foot-soldiers who you're asking to pound pavements.
on the other hand posts like that don't half piss off a load of righties and make UKIP seem like a bunch of Cameron-obsessed arses. Quite why you think a man who is a spent force is worthy of such venom shows you can't see beyond your own blinkers.
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@SlackbladderSlackbladder said:
I agree on the BNP, but UKIP is not the BNP, and Farage is clearly not Griffin. The BNP are/were clearly a racist party, based on racist beliefs. UKIP is a different kettle of fish and speak and appeal to a much wider electorate.TGOHF said:
Wait - what is Nick Griffin up to these days ? Oooh we mustn't have him on telly..Slackbladder said:When will the political establishment/lefties on twitter/whatever realise that the more you call a substantial proportion of the country racist or xenophobic or the like, the more you just drive support to them and harden the support.
One way to burst a bubble is to blow it up - until it pops.
Ukip are hammering at the pump.
In addition UKIP have broken out of that minority party shell, especially if they (which may well be likely) top the Euro election.
You can go on talking to people like @TGOHF in reasonable tones and arguments until the moon turns to green cheese. It won't make the slightest difference, as these wooden-headed types minds are made up, no matter what you say.
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This could work out well for Farage - providing two things happen.
a) He gets a thumping win in the Euros, particularly over the Tories. Then he could claim to have made the right choice.
b) Ukip find a strong candidate for Newark like Diane James in Eastleigh who can at the very least run the Tories close, keeping the pressure on Dave. Without Farage a tight loss would now be enough to trigger the Tory paroxysms, as if Ukip can seriously challenge them with anyone, anywhere then that doesn't bodes well for the GE.
I can see why the Tories are dialing up the 'chicken' remarks, but not entirely sure why Labour are, should be focusing themselves a la the Lib Dems as 'The Real Alternative' to vote for as the only party who can beat UKIP, or the party which is starting to wish it was UKIP.0 -
... who don't like dem foreigners.isam said:
'the difference is that UKIP stand up for British people of all hues...'corporeal said:
Poor UKIP, even the BNP are attacking them in their election broadcast.isam said:
This should be media training in how not to deal with UKIPSouthamObserver said:
It's no stranger than Nigel Farage's definition of race.AndyJS said:Barbara Roche on Newsnight yesterday seemed to have a strange definition of the word "racist". As far as I know, Romanians aren't a different race to British people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am2-fVIkf8I0 -
Farage not standing after Boris not standing means that in about a day Newark has gone from the most interesting by-election to a mediocre one.
Going to be like this in every half-plausible by-election.0 -
Who runs the UK?
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-272186150 -
Ah let him carry on, plenty of working class voters supported Thatcher.corporeal said:
What is UKIP's policy on penguins?isam said:
Thank God UKIP have turned up to steer people away from them.corporeal said:
Poor UKIP, even the BNP are attacking them in their election broadcast.isam said:
This should be media training in how not to deal with UKIPSouthamObserver said:
It's no stranger than Nigel Farage's definition of race.AndyJS said:Barbara Roche on Newsnight yesterday seemed to have a strange definition of the word "racist". As far as I know, Romanians aren't a different race to British people.
Can see why the poor & uneducated were tempted, but the difference is that UKIP stand up for British people of all hues, without a sinister undertone of race hate and white superiority while offering a middle way of controlled immigration rather than the extremes of the Labour, Conservatives and Lib Dems (uncontrolled) on one side and the BNP (none) on the other.
Ed Miliband going on the UKIP=Thatcherism line which is an interesting form of attack.
Honestly I believe the best way of defeating UKIP would be for the other parties to give positive examples to vote for them rather than scaremongering about UKIP... the negative approach simply isn't working, look at the polls/betting.
This reminds me of a controlling boyfriend that wont let an unhappy partner leave, and so slags off every other bloke in the area.. would be better off accepting it and giving reasons to stay/examples of how they've changed
The other three parties are playing such a short game here, smacks of desperation.. long may it continue
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And your mind isn't made up? Is there any argument that a Europhile could make to persuade you that we might be better off in the EU?MikeK said:
@SlackbladderSlackbladder said:
I agree on the BNP, but UKIP is not the BNP, and Farage is clearly not Griffin. The BNP are/were clearly a racist party, based on racist beliefs. UKIP is a different kettle of fish and speak and appeal to a much wider electorate.TGOHF said:
Wait - what is Nick Griffin up to these days ? Oooh we mustn't have him on telly..Slackbladder said:When will the political establishment/lefties on twitter/whatever realise that the more you call a substantial proportion of the country racist or xenophobic or the like, the more you just drive support to them and harden the support.
One way to burst a bubble is to blow it up - until it pops.
Ukip are hammering at the pump.
In addition UKIP have broken out of that minority party shell, especially if they (which may well be likely) top the Euro election.
You can go on talking to people like @TGOHF in reasonable tones and arguments until the moon turns to green cheese. It won't make the slightest difference, as these wooden-headed types minds are made up, no matter what you say.0
