Barbara Roche on Newsnight yesterday seemed to have a strange definition of the word "racist". As far as I know, Romanians aren't a different race to British people.
It's no stranger than Nigel Farage's definition of race.
Good God man! Why don't you just come out and say things?!
Go on then, what is Nigel Farage's definition of race?
As previously discussed, Farage claimed he was the victim of anti-English racism in Scotland. If Roche is wrong, so is he - as you said when we debated it before.
Oh yeah, he was wrong to say that. Anyone who says people of the same race can be racist towards each other is wrong, its nonsense
The difference is that Farage's was an off the cuff remark, while Roche and the people that she is in cahoots with, have formed a policy unit on the back of it
@carldinnen: BREAKING: ComRes poll for ITV News reveals that one third of the British public (32%) think UKIP is a racist party.
I'd reckon a disproportionate number those voters to be nailed on Guardian reading urban types who live in the sort of areas UKIP would never have have a hope in hell.
Newspaper readership/class/income/VI breakdown for the 32% ?
Actually I disagree, but even if I agreed 7/4 is still a massive bet
People said the same for a year about the UKIP/Con Euro match
At the G.E., the LDs will probably be between 10% and 15%, with a median of 12.5%; a very normal distribution. UKIP could be anywhere from 5% to 20%(+!), with a lower median of say 10%, and a long-tailed distribution
So LD's should be fav in a match bet, but UKIP have got a greater chance of most votes (though 33/1 isn't very tempting, and 100/1 for the LDs is missing a few zeroes).
7/4 is a touch big but I'd still have the LDs fav.
@carldinnen: BREAKING: ComRes poll for ITV News reveals that one third of the British public (32%) think UKIP is a racist party.
I'd reckon a disproportionate number those voters to be nailed on Guardian reading urban types who live in the sort of areas UKIP would never have have a hope in hell.
Newspaper readership/class/income/VI breakdown for the 32% ?
Given the size of the Grauniad's readership that's quite a claim!
@carldinnen: BREAKING: ComRes poll for ITV News reveals that one third of the British public (32%) think UKIP is a racist party.
I'd reckon a disproportionate number those voters to be nailed on Guardian reading urban types who live in the sort of areas UKIP would never have have a hope in hell.
Newspaper readership/class/income/VI breakdown for the 32% ?
Actually I disagree, but even if I agreed 7/4 is still a massive bet
People said the same for a year about the UKIP/Con Euro match
At the G.E., the LDs will probably be between 10% and 15%, with a median of 12.5%; a very normal distribution. UKIP could be anywhere from 5% to 20%(+!), with a lower median of say 10%, and a long-tailed distribution
So LD's should be fav in a match bet, but UKIP have got a greater chance of most votes (though 33/1 isn't very tempting, and 100/1 for the LDs is missing a few zeroes).
7/4 is a touch big but I'd still have the LDs fav.
The 33s and 100s are absolutely ridiculous, I wouldn't back them at 330s and 1000s
I understand the distributions but wasn't basing my bet on the 33s and 100s anyway.
@carldinnen: BREAKING: ComRes poll for ITV News reveals that one third of the British public (32%) think UKIP is a racist party.
I'd reckon a disproportionate number those voters to be nailed on Guardian reading urban types who live in the sort of areas UKIP would never have have a hope in hell.
Newspaper readership/class/income/VI breakdown for the 32% ?
So two-thirds think UKIP is hunky-dory.
That's what's interesting, what's the isn't vote, and what's the don't know/no opinion vote? There's the rub
@carldinnen: BREAKING: ComRes poll for ITV News reveals that one third of the British public (32%) think UKIP is a racist party.
I'd reckon a disproportionate number those voters to be nailed on Guardian reading urban types who live in the sort of areas UKIP would never have have a hope in hell.
Newspaper readership/class/income/VI breakdown for the 32% ?
So two-thirds think UKIP is hunky-dory.
That's what's interesting, what's the isn't vote, and what's the don't know/no opinion vote? There's the rub
I am given to understand that 40% of respondents said UKIP isn't racist and 29% don't know whether it is or not (presumably there is a rounding error in there somewhere)
Of course it's possible to be in favour of that, and to make a rational argument for it. I'm not. I'm after corporate tax avoidance and shrinking the state to reduce tax pressure on lower earners at a far greater effective percentage than higher earners.
I accept that there's more than one way of improving the living standards of the low-paid, and that you can do so without flattening the income distribution - anything that could be done to reduce the cost of housing would go a long way to improving living standards in the UK, for another example.
I would just like to add two points.
1. I think that capitalism as a system would work better if more people can participate on a more equal footing. Markets become distorted if most people are too poor to take part.
2. It would be nice if people could discuss these various approaches without the use of moronic soundbites. I can understand why politicians use them - they are rarely given the time to develop a proper argument, and they need to provide media organisations with a short excerpt for a news clip or a newspaper headline - but here we are on the internet without such limitations, so it's just a bit sad to see people resorting to them.
@carldinnen: BREAKING: ComRes poll for ITV News reveals that one third of the British public (32%) think UKIP is a racist party.
The other two thirds are going to vote for it....
What proportion of the 32% actually care?
On PMQs I agree it seems irrelevant in the pre-Euro forment but yet again Miliband is trounced - he really has got nothing to say about the economy and everyone knows why.
So many posters on here got this very, very wrong.
These dismissals are, in principle, entirely consistent with PC Rowland's account of the incident. That is why there are two contested actions for defamation in the Queen's Bench list. You should carefully read the Crown Prosecution Service's statement, dated 26 November 2013.
a) Ed Miliband looks as if he would be better suited to mending your PC than running the country vs
b) The Anti-Conservative looks as if it will be more coordinated than GE2010 at GE2015 (Lib Dems will have a record lumpiness in their vote).
Dunno about you, but I wouldn't let Ed Miliband anywhere near my PC. If I wanted it fixed, I'd want someone practical, not someone whose views and experience are entirely based on lefty academic abstractions unrelated to the real world.
Paddypower now offering Ukip to get more than 23 euro seats at 5/6 . (originally set bar at over 24) .seems at odds with recent poll moves? Is UKIP still facing trouble with that 'an independence from Europe' candidate?
@JGForsyth: Speculation rife in Westminster that the Chief Clerk is going because he is fed up with Bercow and his style
Is that Robert Rogers? My brother bought me a book by him as a birthday present a couple of years ago when he was working in the Commons as a website consultant.
Paddypower now offering Ukip to get more than 23 euro seats at 5/6 . (originally set bar at over 24) .seems at odds with recent poll moves? Is UKIP still facing trouble with that 'an independence from Europe' candidate?
So many posters on here got this very, very wrong.
These dismissals are, in principle, entirely consistent with PC Rowland's account of the incident. That is why there are two contested actions for defamation in the Queen's Bench list. You should carefully read the Crown Prosecution Service's statement, dated 26 November 2013.
Barbara Roche on Newsnight yesterday seemed to have a strange definition of the word "racist". As far as I know, Romanians aren't a different race to British people.
It's no stranger than Nigel Farage's definition of race.
This should be media training in how not to deal with UKIP
Poor UKIP, even the BNP are attacking them in their election broadcast.
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Newspaper readership/class/income/VI breakdown for the 32% ?
So LD's should be fav in a match bet, but UKIP have got a greater chance of most votes (though 33/1 isn't very tempting, and 100/1 for the LDs is missing a few zeroes).
7/4 is a touch big but I'd still have the LDs fav.
Stewart Jackson: "The Peterborough effect is back."
I understand the distributions but wasn't basing my bet on the 33s and 100s anyway.
There's the rub
I would just like to add two points.
1. I think that capitalism as a system would work better if more people can participate on a more equal footing. Markets become distorted if most people are too poor to take part.
2. It would be nice if people could discuss these various approaches without the use of moronic soundbites. I can understand why politicians use them - they are rarely given the time to develop a proper argument, and they need to provide media organisations with a short excerpt for a news clip or a newspaper headline - but here we are on the internet without such limitations, so it's just a bit sad to see people resorting to them.
On PMQs I agree it seems irrelevant in the pre-Euro forment but yet again Miliband is trounced - he really has got nothing to say about the economy and everyone knows why.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27222171
Three down, how many more to come?
So many posters on here got this very, very wrong.
ComRes, Euro poll:
UKIP 38%
Lab 27%
Con 18%
LD 8%
a) Ed Miliband looks as if he would be better suited to mending your PC than running the country vs
b) The Anti-Conservative looks as if it will be more coordinated than GE2010 at GE2015 (Lib Dems will have a record lumpiness in their vote).
But three police officer sacked for misconduct.
Enough said.