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No, a general lockdown is possibly the best way forward in a few months time when evidence say it is necessary.eadric said:
Indeed.rottenborough said:
Under that scenario will finally find out who really are essential workers.eadric said:
I reckon this is the best thing we could do. Accept the economy is going to make a massive hit. 5% drop in GDP, whatever. Who cares if the alternative is bubonic apocalypse, and 5% dead, and 10% f*cked.rottenborough said:
Just tell us all to stay home, for two months, apart from essential workers. Do the best we can via the Net. Let the virus burn out.
We will manage. It will be grim, but we will cope. Trying to soldier on seems stupid.
This is what China has done, and it seems to have *worked*, tho at massive cost to wider social happiness, etc
But there are no good choices. A general lockdown is possibly the best way forward now.
Right now, when its not in the wild here, what purpose would it serve?0 -
Big Biden win, even bigger Sanders win.Philip_Thompson said:Anyone know what we should be expecting in Virginia or Vermont? What is par for both?
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The Home Office needs shutting down and restarting from scratch. It seems to be continually dysfunctional no matter who heads it up so we cannot blame any Home Office faux-pas's on Ms Patel. However, comparing her to Raab is setting a very low bar. Even I think she deserves better than that.Cyclefree said:
I am in 2 minds about her. She can appear quite dim - the counter-terrorism interview and misleading the House of Commons over the number of EU citizens with settled status, for instance. She was sacked for lying and ignoring the rules and I do wonder how attached to the rule of law she is. Plus her sartorial crimes.Beibheirli_C said:If you wish, then based on Ms Patel's past performances on countering CounterTerrorism as well as some of her sartorial crimes, I shall be happy to call for her to go now.
OTOH her instincts were right over HK, contrary to Raab’s and she showed a very human empathy with Harry Dunn’s family. And there are reports that the Home Office has resisted giving her a copy of the report on grooming gangs which, if true, seems extraordinary.
I do wonder whether her real problem is that she has been promoted too early and that some of the allegations arise from her not having the experience or guile to know how to deal with those reporting to her. I suspect also that she may be good at managing up but not at managing down and has insufficient experience actually how to get things done in a large organisation, even one reporting to you. That may be an overly charitable view. But the Home Office is not exactly famed for its competence, is it?
She may be intelligent in some areas of endeavour, but I am not convinced that politics is her strength.0 -
Bloomberg leading in Virginia with less than 1% in
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How big for Biden in Virginia?Chameleon said:
Big Biden win, even bigger Sanders win.Philip_Thompson said:Anyone know what we should be expecting in Virginia or Vermont? What is par for both?
Vermont's probably not worth paying attention to.0 -
Vermont is Sanders' home state, so expect a large win.Philip_Thompson said:Anyone know what we should be expecting in Virginia or Vermont? What is par for both?
Virginia is much less certain, NYT predictor has it as likely Biden, and he needs to see a big win there to have the Joementum.
Edit: CNN call Virginia for Biden, Vermont for Sanders, so no surprises there.0 -
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Fox projects VA for Biden0
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Biden wins Virginia says CNN projection0
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I think the purpose would be to prevent it spreading in the wild. When your data on who is infected is delayed by a long incubation period then there's a risk of always being behind the curve.Philip_Thompson said:
No, a general lockdown is possibly the best way forward in a few months time when evidence say it is necessary.eadric said:
Indeed.rottenborough said:
Under that scenario will finally find out who really are essential workers.eadric said:
I reckon this is the best thing we could do. Accept the economy is going to make a massive hit. 5% drop in GDP, whatever. Who cares if the alternative is bubonic apocalypse, and 5% dead, and 10% f*cked.rottenborough said:
Just tell us all to stay home, for two months, apart from essential workers. Do the best we can via the Net. Let the virus burn out.
We will manage. It will be grim, but we will cope. Trying to soldier on seems stupid.
This is what China has done, and it seems to have *worked*, tho at massive cost to wider social happiness, etc
But there are no good choices. A general lockdown is possibly the best way forward now.
Right now, when its not in the wild here, what purpose would it serve?0 -
CNN saying Biden has won VA but not saying how much by. That's irritating.0
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A good start for Sanders is putting Biden below 15% in VT, and hence sweeping the state. 20% lead is what 538 has for par in VA, and I'd agree with that. If there's been a Biden surge it should be convincing.Philip_Thompson said:
How big for Biden in Virginia?Chameleon said:
Big Biden win, even bigger Sanders win.Philip_Thompson said:Anyone know what we should be expecting in Virginia or Vermont? What is par for both?
Vermont's probably not worth paying attention to.1 -
Sanders spent a lot of time in VA.0
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Texas is probably going to be the most interesting race tonight.2
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Instant VA for Biden. That's an amazing sign for him0
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Fox has Sanders leading in VT but no projection or call yet.0
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Here we go.Pulpstar said:Instant VA for Biden. That's an amazing sign for him
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NYT 'needles' projection, for those who like that sort of thing:
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But the Chief Science Officer calmly and lucidly addressed this earlier today. He said that if you do a premature shutdown then you cause a lot of disruption for very little purpose since it isn't necessary yet - and then if you reach a point it is necessary people are already grating from the restrictions so ignore the restrictions in the future just as you need them to be followed.LostPassword said:
I think the purpose would be to prevent it spreading in the wild. When your data on who is infected is delayed by a long incubation period then there's a risk of always being behind the curve.Philip_Thompson said:
No, a general lockdown is possibly the best way forward in a few months time when evidence say it is necessary.eadric said:
Indeed.rottenborough said:
Under that scenario will finally find out who really are essential workers.eadric said:
I reckon this is the best thing we could do. Accept the economy is going to make a massive hit. 5% drop in GDP, whatever. Who cares if the alternative is bubonic apocalypse, and 5% dead, and 10% f*cked.rottenborough said:
Just tell us all to stay home, for two months, apart from essential workers. Do the best we can via the Net. Let the virus burn out.
We will manage. It will be grim, but we will cope. Trying to soldier on seems stupid.
This is what China has done, and it seems to have *worked*, tho at massive cost to wider social happiness, etc
But there are no good choices. A general lockdown is possibly the best way forward now.
Right now, when its not in the wild here, what purpose would it serve?
He was quite clear and logical that a shutdown should be timed for maximum effect when it is scientifically the right thing to do. In 2 months time this virus will still be out in the rest of the world and might be even worse so why act now when its not necessary but might be in the future?2 -
Biden 63% black votye in VA0
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Am I the only one that thinks that the main flaw in the Dem primary process is that it's too late? By the time the GE comes around the losing candidate's supporters are still licking their wounds. Push it two months earlier and there'd be more time for the party to get fully behind the winner.0
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It's annoying when they show exit poll breakdowns but not the overall exit poll figures.0
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No-one ever died from being paranoid and wrong, but if you were overly relaxed about a pandemic or living next to chernobyl or somesuch, that could be you and your gene pool wiped out.eadric said:
When it comes to a pandemic plague, I would rather err on the side of caution, and premature action.Philip_Thompson said:
You clearly missed the Chief Science Officer earlier who lucidly explained why you are wrong.eadric said:
I reckon this is the best thing we could do. Accept the economy is going to make a massive hit. 5% drop in GDP, whatever. Who cares if the alternative is bubonic apocalypse, and 5% dead, and 10% f*cked.rottenborough said:
Just tell us all to stay home, for two months, apart from essential workers. Do the best we can via the Net. Let the virus burn out.
We will manage. It will be grim, but we will cope. Trying to soldier on seems stupid.
The time may come when that is necessary but that will depend upon science, not panicking. If we start doing that now when its not necessary as its not in the wild in this country yet, then what happens in 2 months time if the government believes it is necessary by then due to the science and evidence - but we've already had 2 months of lockdown and can't cope with another 2 months?
If you're going to do that you have to do it at the right time. It would need to be a Goldilocks lockdown, not too early, not too late.
Look at it this way, presuming that containment measures work (and Chinese data, tho deeply flawed, suggest they do). If we go for maximum containment now, we will cause major social disruption, a spike in suicide rates, deep emotional trauma, lots of horrible stuff. Plus, of course, a deep deep recession (but that's gonna happen anyway)
If we delay, we risk all of these things anyway (from massive death tolls) plus we ensure increased mortality rates, increased infection, increased virulence, and a collapsed health system, and then possible social collapse.
I believe we should Act Now. But I am just a PBer.0 -
Yes, the Chinese who I've met (typically middle-ranking officials) are matter-of-fact about it - "It'd be nice but we can't afford it yet, so we have an inexpensive hospital-centred health service instead." They find the NHS interesting as a possible future model, among others. One of the reasons I like giving talks to Chinese groups (apart from the money) is that they're quite open about not being perfect, here to learn what they might do better, etc. I've heard that this is less common in Japan (EiT can advise!), and that the Japanese regard other systems with polite respect but don't readily think of learning from them.rottenborough said:
China doesn't have a free health service?NickPalmer said:Really interesting (and I have to say impressive) piece on how China has apparently turned the corner on the virus:
https://www.vox.com/2020/3/2/21161067/coronavirus-covid19-china??ncid=newsltukhpmgpols
Written by Americans, it mentions in passing a snag in this situation of not having a health system free at the point of use (as they think is the case in "the West") - it discourages people from getting tested, as they'll have to pay for the test (or drain their insurance allowance). China doesn't have a free health service either, but they made it free in this case so as to remove the obstacle.
Sometimes a fact will come along that staggers me.
The delegations carefully avoid criticisng the leadership, while being frank about problems - pollution, corruption, drugs, tax avoidance, etc.0 -
Such an early VA call for Biden means that it is around 20%+ IMO.0
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Byronavirus.eadric said:Casino_Royale said:
No offence, but I don't need your "luck".eadric said:
Good luck,Casino_Royale said:
Absolute bollocks.eadric said:
I see you are still in "this is just the flu" stage. Good luck.Casino_Royale said:
Then, when everyone groans, and then one horse subsequently falls over and needs to be put down, you shout even louder: "ah, you see - I told you I was right! It was just a worst case scenario!!"eadric said:
Mate, there is no other subject.Casino_Royale said:
A fanatic: one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.eadric said:
I am sympathetic to your argument, as you know, but facts are facts. This POTUS election is taking place in a context of a full-on plague, which might, very conceivably, kill millions of Americans and hospitalise millions of others.Casino_Royale said:At least half the comments on this thread should have been flagged for going off-topic so soon.
These are not fanciful figures, they are reasonable scenarios.
So whenever you start talking about the POTUS elex you will be talking about the virus within about 3 minutes, not least coz it could actually kill half the candidates. Cf Iran's parliament
https://twitter.com/aawsat_eng/status/1234955458194092032?s=20
Please explain to me how you could debate the betting opportunities around the Dem primaries WITHOUT referencing a massive global menace which presages intense global death.
Answer, you can't.
It would be like discussing the Grand National betting opportunities without mentioning the fact the race will take place during a bizarre radioactive tornado, which attacks certain kinds of horses.
This may hurt you to hear this but none of the actions I've taken over this virus have been predicated on a single thing you've said on this website. I've done my own research (weeks before you popped up) and I'm most impressed by professionals, experts and those able to conduct sober analysis of data and information even in highly charged situations, without letting their emotions get the better of them.
You think you're helping but actually your presence on this site is supremely selfish as you're using it to exorcise your innermost fears and help develop and roadtest a juicy future plot narrative.
I think it's atrocious behaviour.
Log off, and have a think about that.
I wish you well, and hope you and your kids do fine. They should do, looking at the science.0 -
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That's an early indicator of a very good night for him, if so.Chameleon said:Such an early VA call for Biden means that it is around 20%+ IMO.
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Exit polls showing Biden getting 6 in 10 black voters in Virginia, same rate as in South Carolina. Biden could sweep the south if that holds everywhere.1
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Why the fuck didn't Biden run in 2016?0
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So what, that does not change the fact all the states whose polls have closed are on the Eastrottenborough said:0 -
His son died of brain cancer, aged 46.Sunil_Prasannan said:Why the fuck didn't Biden run in 2016?
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New York Times projects Vermont for Sanders
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/03/us/elections/results-vermont-president-democrat-primary-election.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage0 -
KId died.Sunil_Prasannan said:Why the fuck didn't Biden run in 2016?
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ABC calls Maine for Biden. That's a state Sanders was expected to win, if Biden has won it clearly enough that an early call makes sense then that's huge!
EDIT: Scrap that, they called it for Sanders and someone tweeted it wrong!0 -
Good question.Sunil_Prasannan said:Why the fuck didn't Biden run in 2016?
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You're not being cautious, you're being paranoid and panicking.eadric said:When it comes to a pandemic plague, I would rather err on the side of caution, and premature action.
Look at it this way, presuming that containment measures work (and Chinese data, tho deeply flawed, suggest they do). If we go for maximum containment now, we will cause major social disruption, a spike in suicide rates, deep emotional trauma, lots of horrible stuff. Plus, of course, a deep deep recession (but that's gonna happen anyway)
If we delay, we risk all of these things anyway (from massive death tolls) plus we ensure increased mortality rates, increased infection, increased virulence, and a collapsed health system, and then possible social collapse.
I believe we should Act Now. But I am just a PBer.
Cautious is listening to the scientific evidence.
The key point was that containment measures can't be done for long. Serious containment can only be time limited. So you don't waste your opportunity to do serious containment when it isn't necessary (thus inflicting unnecessary damage) while also ensuring when you do need to do containment you're incapable of doing so as you've already done it.
To use an analogy, you know that a zombie is potentially coming to kill you and you have a gun with one bullet in it that can kill the zombie.
Do you point in the vague distance despite the fact that you can't even see the zombie in your sights yet and shoot the gun immediately to be "cautious"?
Do you hold the gun with your only bullet, steady yourself, aim and fire when only you have the zombie locked within your sights and are able to take it down?
Don't waste our silver bullet of containment prematurely. Its too valuable, we may need it yet.1 -
Bloody hell, that was supposed to be nailed-on for Sanders as you say. Maybe California is in play now.Quincel said:ABC calls Maine for Biden. That's a state Sanders was expected to win, if Biden has won it clearly enough that an early call makes sense then that's huge!
Are you sure that information is correct?0 -
Abort, abort, it was a twitter error and Sanders did win it.Andy_JS said:
Bloody hell, that was supposed to be nailed-on for Sanders as you say. Maybe California is in play now.Quincel said:ABC calls Maine for Biden. That's a state Sanders was expected to win, if Biden has won it clearly enough that an early call makes sense then that's huge!
Interesting that Biden looks on course for a big VA win but Sanders holding ME comfortably enough to call before polls even close.0 -
That's not what you said.HYUFD said:
So what, that does not change the fact all the states whose polls have closed are on the Eastrottenborough said:0 -
Annoying, I have a couple of quid on Biden in MaineQuincel said:ABC calls Maine for Biden. That's a state Sanders was expected to win, if Biden has won it clearly enough that an early call makes sense then that's huge!
EDIT: Scrap that, they called it for Sanders and someone tweeted it wrong!0 -
Nick Corasaniti, in Austin, Texas 1m ago
Biden could have been boosted by his S.C. win and the endorsements that followed. 47% of Virginia voters made up their mind in the past few days, early exit polls show.0 -
I've been very impressed by our response. We have 1/50th the number of unknown origin cases of Spain, France, Germany, while doing 15x as many tests for a reason.Philip_Thompson said:
But the Chief Science Officer calmly and lucidly addressed this earlier today. He said that if you do a premature shutdown then you cause a lot of disruption for very little purpose since it isn't necessary yet - and then if you reach a point it is necessary people are already grating from the restrictions so ignore the restrictions in the future just as you need them to be followed.LostPassword said:
I think the purpose would be to prevent it spreading in the wild. When your data on who is infected is delayed by a long incubation period then there's a risk of always being behind the curve.Philip_Thompson said:
No, a general lockdown is possibly the best way forward in a few months time when evidence say it is necessary.eadric said:
Indeed.rottenborough said:
Under that scenario will finally find out who really are essential workers.eadric said:
I reckon this is the best thing we could do. Accept the economy is going to make a massive hit. 5% drop in GDP, whatever. Who cares if the alternative is bubonic apocalypse, and 5% dead, and 10% f*cked.rottenborough said:
Just tell us all to stay home, for two months, apart from essential workers. Do the best we can via the Net. Let the virus burn out.
We will manage. It will be grim, but we will cope. Trying to soldier on seems stupid.
This is what China has done, and it seems to have *worked*, tho at massive cost to wider social happiness, etc
But there are no good choices. A general lockdown is possibly the best way forward now.
Right now, when its not in the wild here, what purpose would it serve?
He was quite clear and logical that a shutdown should be timed for maximum effect when it is scientifically the right thing to do. In 2 months time this virus will still be out in the rest of the world and might be even worse so why act now when its not necessary but might be in the future?1 -
I have no interest debating pointless petty points with you this eveningPhilip_Thompson said:
That's not what you said.HYUFD said:
So what, that does not change the fact all the states whose polls have closed are on the Eastrottenborough said:0 -
Which TV coverage of Super Tuesday is the best to watch?0
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It's an indicator of a par night or better. If he was underperforming then VA would not be called yet.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
That's an early indicator of a very good night for him, if so.Chameleon said:Such an early VA call for Biden means that it is around 20%+ IMO.
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Its very impressive.Chameleon said:
I've been very impressed by our response. We have 1/50th the number of unknown origin cases of Spain, France, Germany, while doing 15x as many tests for a reason.Philip_Thompson said:
But the Chief Science Officer calmly and lucidly addressed this earlier today. He said that if you do a premature shutdown then you cause a lot of disruption for very little purpose since it isn't necessary yet - and then if you reach a point it is necessary people are already grating from the restrictions so ignore the restrictions in the future just as you need them to be followed.LostPassword said:
I think the purpose would be to prevent it spreading in the wild. When your data on who is infected is delayed by a long incubation period then there's a risk of always being behind the curve.Philip_Thompson said:
No, a general lockdown is possibly the best way forward in a few months time when evidence say it is necessary.eadric said:
Indeed.rottenborough said:
Under that scenario will finally find out who really are essential workers.eadric said:
I reckon this is the best thing we could do. Accept the economy is going to make a massive hit. 5% drop in GDP, whatever. Who cares if the alternative is bubonic apocalypse, and 5% dead, and 10% f*cked.rottenborough said:
Just tell us all to stay home, for two months, apart from essential workers. Do the best we can via the Net. Let the virus burn out.
We will manage. It will be grim, but we will cope. Trying to soldier on seems stupid.
This is what China has done, and it seems to have *worked*, tho at massive cost to wider social happiness, etc
But there are no good choices. A general lockdown is possibly the best way forward now.
Right now, when its not in the wild here, what purpose would it serve?
He was quite clear and logical that a shutdown should be timed for maximum effect when it is scientifically the right thing to do. In 2 months time this virus will still be out in the rest of the world and might be even worse so why act now when its not necessary but might be in the future?
And somewhat creepy in a "Big Brother is Watching You" kind of way.0 -
Twiiter suggesting Sanders around 57% in Vermont exit polls. He got 86% in 2016.0
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Virginia less than 1% in
Biden 47%
Sanders 31%
Bloomberg 8%
Warren 8%
Gabbard 2%
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/03/us/elections/results-virginia-president-democrat-primary-election.html0 -
Is Bloomberg going to break his duck in delegates tonight I wonder.0
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Surprise, surprise, the CAGE/MCB types are not representative of regular British Muslims:
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-51676923?__twitter_impression=true0 -
Biden now 56HYUFD said:Virginia less than 1% in
Biden 47%
Sanders 31%
Bloomberg 8%
Warren 8%
Gabbard 2%
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/03/us/elections/results-virginia-president-democrat-primary-election.html0 -
I wonder why Sanders is forecast to win Texas? Its a Southern state with a high minority vote, demographically I'd think that was Biden?0
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Confirmed two cases of corona virus in Cumbria (carlisle).0
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All closing times Eastern -
VA,VT 7pm
NC 7.30pm
AL, ME, MA, OK, TN 8pm
AR 8.30pm
CO, MN, TX 9pm
UT 10pm
CA 11pm
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Maybe they're assuming a strong showing for Sanders with Latino voters.Philip_Thompson said:I wonder why Sanders is forecast to win Texas? Its a Southern state with a high minority vote, demographically I'd think that was Biden?
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VT called for Sanders by Fox0
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Big Latino vote, who lean towards Sanders.Philip_Thompson said:I wonder why Sanders is forecast to win Texas? Its a Southern state with a high minority vote, demographically I'd think that was Biden?
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Demographics working well for him. 32% latino to 22% black iirc. That being said it'd be a decent-ish night for Sanders to win Texas.Philip_Thompson said:I wonder why Sanders is forecast to win Texas? Its a Southern state with a high minority vote, demographically I'd think that was Biden?
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NC coming in a few minutes0
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Yes, but you said "Polls have now closed on the East coast"HYUFD said:
So what, that does not change the fact all the states whose polls have closed are on the Eastrottenborough said:
When you should have said "Polls have now closed on much of the East coast"
Is it so hard to admit you might have made a tiny error?2 -
That is mainly based off caucus states mind.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Big Latino vote, who lean towards Sanders.Philip_Thompson said:I wonder why Sanders is forecast to win Texas? Its a Southern state with a high minority vote, demographically I'd think that was Biden?
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To be fair, a grossly misleading statement is hardly a petty pointless debating point, but you're correct in it not being worth debating.HYUFD said:
I have no interest debating pointless petty points with you this eveningPhilip_Thompson said:
That's not what you said.HYUFD said:
So what, that does not change the fact all the states whose polls have closed are on the Eastrottenborough said:0 -
As I said a few days ago, HYFYD has the requisite attributes to be White House Press Secretary in quite astounding quantities.rcs1000 said:
Yes, but you said "Polls have now closed on the East coast"HYUFD said:
So what, that does not change the fact all the states whose polls have closed are on the Eastrottenborough said:
When you should have said "Polls have now closed on much of the East coast"
Is it so hard to admit you might have made a tiny error?1 -
I really like Bernie Sanders but elections in the USA aren’t won on running up huge scores in states that are slam dunks for either the Dems or GOP .
Biden maybe gaffe prone and not as punchy as he used to be but I think he’ll have a better chance of winning in swing states .
I think that Virginia result is huge for Biden . Sanders will romp home in California . Texas is now the real interest .0 -
As I said I have no interest debating pointless, petty, irrelevant points by people with far too much time on their hands.rcs1000 said:
Yes, but you said "Polls have now closed on the East coast"HYUFD said:
So what, that does not change the fact all the states whose polls have closed are on the Eastrottenborough said:
When you should have said "Polls have now closed on much of the East coast"
Is it so hard to admit you might have made a tiny error?
And even if I could have phrased it better I am certainly not going to concede anything to Philip Thompson and TimB0 -
I feel like an idiot for not putting more money on Biden when he was 10/1 to 15/1 about 5 days ago. I got £10 on at 10/1.1
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Biden over 50% in VA right now0
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Instant Biden in N C I reckon0
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It's definitely part of my bias, but Biden reminds me of my recently deceased grandfather. He's a good bloke and won't do anything outrageous, and he'd be a good chat with in the pub. Sanders would be an absolute bore. I'll never back someone that I wouldn't be able to have a drink with.nico67 said:I really like Bernie Sanders but elections in the USA aren’t won on running up huge scores in states that are slam dunks for either the Dems or GOP .
Biden maybe gaffe prone and not as punchy as he used to be but I think he’ll have a better chance of winning in swing states .
I think that Virginia result is huge for Biden . Sanders will romp home in California . Texas is now the real interest .0 -
"Polls have now closed on the East coast" - HYUFD Posts: 68,257HYUFD said:
I have no interest debating pointless petty points with you this eveningPhilip_Thompson said:
That's not what you said.HYUFD said:
So what, that does not change the fact all the states whose polls have closed are on the Eastrottenborough said:
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Bloomberg needs to walk tomorrow.0
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There was nothing 'grossly misleading' about it other than your determination to start an argument for the sake of itTim_B said:
To be fair, a grossly misleading statement is hardly a petty pointless debating point, but you're correct in it not being worth debating.HYUFD said:
I have no interest debating pointless petty points with you this eveningPhilip_Thompson said:
That's not what you said.HYUFD said:
So what, that does not change the fact all the states whose polls have closed are on the Eastrottenborough said:0 -
If Big Brother means that the NHS watches out for virus epidemics efficiently. bring it on.Philip_Thompson said:
Its very impressive.Chameleon said:
I've been very impressed by our response. We have 1/50th the number of unknown origin cases of Spain, France, Germany, while doing 15x as many tests for a reason.
And somewhat creepy in a "Big Brother is Watching You" kind of way.1 -
He seems to think he'll have some influence in the event of a brokered convention, but not if these numbers hold up.rottenborough said:Bloomberg needs to walk tomorrow.
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Biden wins NC - Fox projection0
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"Polls have now closed on the East coast" - HYUFD Posts: 68,257HYUFD said:
There was nothing 'grossly misleading' about it other than your determination to start an argument for the sake of itTim_B said:
To be fair, a grossly misleading statement is hardly a petty pointless debating point, but you're correct in it not being worth debating.HYUFD said:
I have no interest debating pointless petty points with you this eveningPhilip_Thompson said:
That's not what you said.HYUFD said:
So what, that does not change the fact all the states whose polls have closed are on the Eastrottenborough said:
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CNN call NC for Biden.
Joementum in the South.0 -
Biden crushing it, over 57% !0
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On our way Biden.
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Seems like the NHS really trying to get out in front...unlike America
Thousands of intensive care patients to be tested for Covid-19
NHS bosses have ramped up their efforts to detect the virus by ordering all 135 acute hospital trusts in England to routinely test anyone in intensive care units (ICUs) who has a breathing problem.
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This looks like another defeat for the Woke crowd who were fully behind Bernie Sanders (although I don't think Bernie is particularly Woke himself, more of an old-fashioned socialist).1
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Not watching TYT, who will be getting very angry that Biden is doing well.Quincel said:
I've got CBS and CNN livestreams on Youtube and just switch between them. Neither is great tbh. Fox is usually good, gonna find that now and try it.Andy_JS said:Which TV coverage of Super Tuesday is the best to watch?
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It's partly because Sanders has relaxed his style in this respect, particularly with key voting groups like African-Americans, that he's doing better. However, as mentioned somewhere below, Biden has a hint of "Southern" interpersonal appeal, too.Chameleon said:
It's definitely part of my bias, but Biden reminds me of my recently deceased grandfather. He's a good bloke and won't do anything outrageous, and he'd be a good chat with in the pub. Sanders would be an absolute bore. I'll never back someone that I wouldn't be able to have a drink with.nico67 said:I really like Bernie Sanders but elections in the USA aren’t won on running up huge scores in states that are slam dunks for either the Dems or GOP .
Biden maybe gaffe prone and not as punchy as he used to be but I think he’ll have a better chance of winning in swing states .
I think that Virginia result is huge for Biden . Sanders will romp home in California . Texas is now the real interest .
Beyond their rival "bar-room" appeals, it must still be a concern for Democrats that Biden is not going to look like a super keyed-in man of action in a crisis like the Corononavirus outbreak though, I think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8XdL1nZrIU&t=3s
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CNN amusing themselves by point out how much money Bloomberg has burned through in Virginia alone.1
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With great power comes great responsibility.NickPalmer said:
If Big Brother means that the NHS watches out for virus epidemics efficiently. bring it on.Philip_Thompson said:
Its very impressive.Chameleon said:
I've been very impressed by our response. We have 1/50th the number of unknown origin cases of Spain, France, Germany, while doing 15x as many tests for a reason.
And somewhat creepy in a "Big Brother is Watching You" kind of way.0
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