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I like walking...I average over 21,500 steps per day...Nigelb said:
So what do you do for your jollies, tyson ?tyson said:Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thank you but we have sailed our last cruise having been on many across the world and apart from visiting our eldest son and his wife in Vancouver in May, our international travel days are over and we have no regrets whatsoevereadric said:
Chillax dude.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Now that is just plain silly.eadric said:
If it weren't for me, none of you would have even HEARD of this virus, and you'd still be talking about wage levels in care homes.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I really respect your knowledge and interest in this issue but maybe time to dial the panic down a biteadric said:OMG look, in news no-one expected, China now admits the virus did NOT start in Wuhan seafood market, which is just 200m from a laboratory investigating viruses in bats.
My God, where did this virus, which came from bats, actually originate?
https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1180429.shtml
Diamond Princess at the heart of the issue is a ship my wife and I have spent 33 days on between Canada and China in the last five years and we have followed the crisis on board daily
Furthermore your comment insults the intelligence of posters on this forum
You need to get a sense of perspective or lose creditabilty
I have perspective. See my earlier post today.
I reckon our best bet is just to accept this is going to happen, and tell people with the bug to stay home and take their chances. That way we do not savage the economy or crash the NHS.
In the end it will be the inevitable choice, if this does become a massive pandemic. And we will survive just fine.
In the meantime, this is the biggest news story in the world. Not commenting on remarkable developments is a bit daft, on a political betting website.
I hope you and Mrs Big G remain fit and well and go cruising for decades to come!
And now I have some grim domestic shit to deal with. Later.
Indeed there is nowhere left we want to visit to be fair
I really do believe that cruises are quite disgusting...and if any good comes out of the Conavirus it is to hit this sickening business that caters for geriatric Tories hard
You couldn't pay me to sit on a fucking cruise ship stuck with a bunch of Daily Mail reading grey heads stuffing their faces and professing their admiration for Boris Johnson...
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Nevertheless cruise company shares are a clear sell right now, along with travel companies generallyBig_G_NorthWales said:
Tyson. I could not care less about your insulting views and ignorancetyson said:Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thank you but we have sailed our last cruise having been on many across the world and apart from visiting our eldest son and his wife in Vancouver in May, our international travel days are over and we have no regrets whatsoevereadric said:
Chillax dude.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Now that is just plain silly.eadric said:
If it weren't for me, none of you would have even HEARD of this virus, and you'd still be talking about wage levels in care homes.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I really respect your knowledge and interest in this issue but maybe time to dial the panic down a biteadric said:OMG look, in news no-one expected, China now admits the virus did NOT start in Wuhan seafood market, which is just 200m from a laboratory investigating viruses in bats.
My God, where did this virus, which came from bats, actually originate?
https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1180429.shtml
Diamond Princess at the heart of the issue is a ship my wife and I have spent 33 days on between Canada and China in the last five years and we have followed the crisis on board daily
Furthermore your comment insults the intelligence of posters on this forum
You need to get a sense of perspective or lose creditabilty
I have perspective. See my earlier post today.
I reckon our best bet is just to accept this is going to happen, and tell people with the bug to stay home and take their chances. That way we do not savage the economy or crash the NHS.
In the end it will be the inevitable choice, if this does become a massive pandemic. And we will survive just fine.
In the meantime, this is the biggest news story in the world. Not commenting on remarkable developments is a bit daft, on a political betting website.
I hope you and Mrs Big G remain fit and well and go cruising for decades to come!
And now I have some grim domestic shit to deal with. Later.
Indeed there is nowhere left we want to visit to be fair
I really do believe that cruises are quite disgusting...and if any good comes out of the Conavirus it is to hit this sickening business that caters for geriatric Tories hard0 -
Sam, as all can see is gently lowering Clerc to the ground.Alistair said:Mexicanpete said:
Tip tackle? From what I saw through the rose tinted spectacles issued to the whole of Wales on that Saturday Clerc barely left the floor.
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I hate to throw petrol on the cruise ship fire but..
https://twitter.com/CholericCleric/status/1231314827676614656?s=200 -
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You obviously could because you wouldn't have replied....Big_G_NorthWales said:
Tyson. I could not care less about your insulting views and ignorancetyson said:Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thank you but we have sailed our last cruise having been on many across the world and apart from visiting our eldest son and his wife in Vancouver in May, our international travel days are over and we have no regrets whatsoevereadric said:
Chillax dude.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Now that is just plain silly.eadric said:
If it weren't for me, none of you would have even HEARD of this virus, and you'd still be talking about wage levels in care homes.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I really respect your knowledge and interest in this issue but maybe time to dial the panic down a biteadric said:OMG look, in news no-one expected, China now admits the virus did NOT start in Wuhan seafood market, which is just 200m from a laboratory investigating viruses in bats.
My God, where did this virus, which came from bats, actually originate?
https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1180429.shtml
Diamond Princess at the heart of the issue is a ship my wife and I have spent 33 days on between Canada and China in the last five years and we have followed the crisis on board daily
Furthermore your comment insults the intelligence of posters on this forum
You need to get a sense of perspective or lose creditabilty
I have perspective. See my earlier post today.
I reckon our best bet is just to accept this is going to happen, and tell people with the bug to stay home and take their chances. That way we do not savage the economy or crash the NHS.
In the end it will be the inevitable choice, if this does become a massive pandemic. And we will survive just fine.
In the meantime, this is the biggest news story in the world. Not commenting on remarkable developments is a bit daft, on a political betting website.
I hope you and Mrs Big G remain fit and well and go cruising for decades to come!
And now I have some grim domestic shit to deal with. Later.
Indeed there is nowhere left we want to visit to be fair
I really do believe that cruises are quite disgusting...and if any good comes out of the Conavirus it is to hit this sickening business that caters for geriatric Tories hard
Persuade me how cruise ships benefit humanity then?
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eadric said:
You could look a few hundred km north at Thailand?Mysticrose said:
No it isn't. I'm in Malaysia right now and fewer than 5% are wearing masks. Probably fewer than 1%. Everyone is going about their daily lives. Plenty of suggestion that the virus requires cold conditions to multiply but even I've been surprised by the nonchalance out here in a country with a considerable Chinese population.eadric said:Big_G_NorthWales said:
Now that is just plain silly.eadric said:
If it weren't for me, none of you would have even HEARD of this virus, and you'd still be talking about wage levels in care homes.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I really respect your knowledge and interest in this issue but maybe time to dial the panic down a biteadric said:OMG look, in news no-one expected, China now admits the virus did NOT start in Wuhan seafood market, which is just 200m from a laboratory investigating viruses in bats.
My God, where did this virus, which came from bats, actually originate?
https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1180429.shtml
Diamond Princess at the heart of the issue is a ship my wife and I have spent 33 days on between Canada and China in the last five years and we have followed the crisis on board daily
Furthermore your comment insults the intelligence of posters on this forum
You need to get a sense of perspective or lose creditabilty
In the meantime, this is the biggest news story in the world. .
https://twitter.com/BangkokJackNews/status/1231226612236136449?s=20
https://twitter.com/GerberKawasaki/status/1230866047516971009?s=20
Confirming the report from my Thai friend that I shared this morning0 -
Why should I. Get over yourself Tysontyson said:
You obviously could because you wouldn't have replied....Big_G_NorthWales said:
Tyson. I could not care less about your insulting views and ignorancetyson said:Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thank you but we have sailed our last cruise having been on many across the world and apart from visiting our eldest son and his wife in Vancouver in May, our international travel days are over and we have no regrets whatsoevereadric said:
Chillax dude.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Now that is just plain silly.eadric said:
If it weren't for me, none of you would have even HEARD of this virus, and you'd still be talking about wage levels in care homes.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I really respect your knowledge and interest in this issue but maybe time to dial the panic down a biteadric said:OMG look, in news no-one expected, China now admits the virus did NOT start in Wuhan seafood market, which is just 200m from a laboratory investigating viruses in bats.
My God, where did this virus, which came from bats, actually originate?
https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1180429.shtml
Diamond Princess at the heart of the issue is a ship my wife and I have spent 33 days on between Canada and China in the last five years and we have followed the crisis on board daily
Furthermore your comment insults the intelligence of posters on this forum
You need to get a sense of perspective or lose creditabilty
I have perspective. See my earlier post today.
I reckon our best bet is just to accept this is going to happen, and tell people with the bug to stay home and take their chances. That way we do not savage the economy or crash the NHS.
In the end it will be the inevitable choice, if this does become a massive pandemic. And we will survive just fine.
In the meantime, this is the biggest news story in the world. Not commenting on remarkable developments is a bit daft, on a political betting website.
I hope you and Mrs Big G remain fit and well and go cruising for decades to come!
And now I have some grim domestic shit to deal with. Later.
Indeed there is nowhere left we want to visit to be fair
I really do believe that cruises are quite disgusting...and if any good comes out of the Conavirus it is to hit this sickening business that caters for geriatric Tories hard
Persuade me how cruise ships benefit humanity then?3 -
It certainly underlines the dangers of intensive gammon farming. The ship should be scuttled.tyson said:
I like walking...I average over 21,500 steps per day...Nigelb said:
So what do you do for your jollies, tyson ?tyson said:Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thank you but we have sailed our last cruise having been on many across the world and apart from visiting our eldest son and his wife in Vancouver in May, our international travel days are over and we have no regrets whatsoevereadric said:
Chillax dude.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Now that is just plain silly.eadric said:
If it weren't for me, none of you would have even HEARD of this virus, and you'd still be talking about wage levels in care homes.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I really respect your knowledge and interest in this issue but maybe time to dial the panic down a biteadric said:OMG look, in news no-one expected, China now admits the virus did NOT start in Wuhan seafood market, which is just 200m from a laboratory investigating viruses in bats.
My God, where did this virus, which came from bats, actually originate?
https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1180429.shtml
Diamond Princess at the heart of the issue is a ship my wife and I have spent 33 days on between Canada and China in the last five years and we have followed the crisis on board daily
Furthermore your comment insults the intelligence of posters on this forum
You need to get a sense of perspective or lose creditabilty
I have perspective. See my earlier post today.
I reckon our best bet is just to accept this is going to happen, and tell people with the bug to stay home and take their chances. That way we do not savage the economy or crash the NHS.
In the end it will be the inevitable choice, if this does become a massive pandemic. And we will survive just fine.
In the meantime, this is the biggest news story in the world. Not commenting on remarkable developments is a bit daft, on a political betting website.
I hope you and Mrs Big G remain fit and well and go cruising for decades to come!
And now I have some grim domestic shit to deal with. Later.
Indeed there is nowhere left we want to visit to be fair
I really do believe that cruises are quite disgusting...and if any good comes out of the Conavirus it is to hit this sickening business that caters for geriatric Tories hard
You couldn't pay me to sit on a fucking cruise ship stuck with a bunch of Daily Mail reading grey heads stuffing their faces and professing their admiration for Boris Johnson...
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What have you got against others enjoying themselves?tyson said:
You obviously could because you wouldn't have replied....Big_G_NorthWales said:
Tyson. I could not care less about your insulting views and ignorancetyson said:Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thank you but we have sailed our last cruise having been on many across the world and apart from visiting our eldest son and his wife in Vancouver in May, our international travel days are over and we have no regrets whatsoevereadric said:
Chillax dude.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Now that is just plain silly.eadric said:
If it weren't for me, none of you would have even HEARD of this virus, and you'd still be talking about wage levels in care homes.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I really respect your knowledge and interest in this issue but maybe time to dial the panic down a biteadric said:OMG look, in news no-one expected, China now admits the virus did NOT start in Wuhan seafood market, which is just 200m from a laboratory investigating viruses in bats.
My God, where did this virus, which came from bats, actually originate?
https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1180429.shtml
Diamond Princess at the heart of the issue is a ship my wife and I have spent 33 days on between Canada and China in the last five years and we have followed the crisis on board daily
Furthermore your comment insults the intelligence of posters on this forum
You need to get a sense of perspective or lose creditabilty
I have perspective. See my earlier post today.
I reckon our best bet is just to accept this is going to happen, and tell people with the bug to stay home and take their chances. That way we do not savage the economy or crash the NHS.
In the end it will be the inevitable choice, if this does become a massive pandemic. And we will survive just fine.
In the meantime, this is the biggest news story in the world. Not commenting on remarkable developments is a bit daft, on a political betting website.
I hope you and Mrs Big G remain fit and well and go cruising for decades to come!
And now I have some grim domestic shit to deal with. Later.
Indeed there is nowhere left we want to visit to be fair
I really do believe that cruises are quite disgusting...and if any good comes out of the Conavirus it is to hit this sickening business that caters for geriatric Tories hard
Persuade me how cruise ships benefit humanity then?0 -
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Most cruise passengers come from outside the UK and probably haven't even heard of Boris but your ignorance of cruise ships and the persons sailing on them only matches your prejeudicestyson said:
I like walking...I average over 21,500 steps per day...Nigelb said:
So what do you do for your jollies, tyson ?tyson said:Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thank you but we have sailed our last cruise having been on many across the world and apart from visiting our eldest son and his wife in Vancouver in May, our international travel days are over and we have no regrets whatsoevereadric said:
Chillax dude.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Now that is just plain silly.eadric said:
If it weren't for m.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I really respect your knowledge and interest in this issue but maybe time to dial the panic down a biteadric said:OMG look, in news no-one expected, China now admits the virus did NOT start in Wuhan seafood market, which is just 200m from a laboratory investigating viruses in bats.
My God, where did this virus, which came from bats, actually originate?
https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1180429.shtml
Diamond Princess at the heart of the issue is a ship my wife and I have spent 33 days on between Canada and China in the last five years and we have followed the crisis on board daily
Furthermore your comment insults the intelligence of posters on this forum
You need to get a sense of perspective or lose creditabilty
I have perspective. See my earlier post today.
I reckon our best bet is just to accept this is going to happen, and tell people with the bug to stay home and take their chances. That way we do not savage the economy or crash the NHS.
In the end it will be the inevitable choice, if this does become a massive pandemic. And we will survive just fine.
In the meantime, this is the biggest news story in the world. Not commenting on remarkable developments is a bit daft, on a political betting website.
I hope you and Mrs Big G remain fit and well and go cruising for decades to come!
And now I have some grim domestic shit to deal with. Later.
Indeed there is nowhere left we want to visit to be fair
I really do believe that cruises are quite disgusting...and if any good comes out of the Conavirus it is to hit this sickening business that caters for geriatric Tories hard
You couldn't pay me to sit on a fucking cruise ship stuck with a bunch of Daily Mail reading grey heads stuffing their faces and professing their admiration for Boris Johnson...0 -
It's not that bad! A friend who is a big fan perauded me to take one week-long cruise, and it was quite pleasant, with the usual mix of humanity - the star was a modest artist, who spent the whole trip sketching real and imagined maritime sights to amuse his grand-daughter when he arrived. I played a lot of bridge and did some dancing. I wouldn't do it again but it was a nice change.tyson said:
I like walking...I average over 21,500 steps per day...
You couldn't pay me to sit on a fucking cruise ship stuck with a bunch of Daily Mail reading grey heads stuffing their faces and professing their admiration for Boris Johnson...0 -
Why should I. Get over yourself Tyson
@Big_G_NorthWales
Because you cannot say how cruise ships benefit human beings? They don't. They are decadent, consumeristic, disgusting, vile, pollutants...that unfortunately seem to appeal to aspirational types that vote Tory and of a certain age....
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Given Mahan runs. flights from Tehran to Shanghai, there must be some demand?Philip_Thompson said:
People who wish to travel between China and Iran.Luckyguy1983 said:
Who on earth travels from China to Iran?IanB2 said:
Or just maybe it is possible to travel from China to Iran?Luckyguy1983 said:
That isn't what I take from it. What I take from it is how the heck does the disease pop up somewhere like that? Assuming it can't teleport. It's a conspiracy that needs a theory. Were the Iranians experimenting with the corona? Do they really have it or are they just using a fake outbreak to control society more and crack down on dissent? Is it an American bio weapon they are trying out on their enemies (in which case look out for it to hit Russia soon)?RobD said:
Erm, how do they know they are there if they are "UNTRACEABLE"?FrancisUrquhart said:Paging our local worrywart...
Dramatic surge in UNTRACEABLE clusters of coronavirus cases around the world sparks dire warnings from disease experts that 'containment methods are not going to work'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8032385/Coronavirus-experts-say-NOT-rising-numbers-infections-fear.html
Unless it's an acronym.
What mad kind of question is that?
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Vile human beings eh. Perhaps you should look in the mirror.tyson said:Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thank you but we have sailed our last cruise having been on many across the world and apart from visiting our eldest son and his wife in Vancouver in May, our international travel days are over and we have no regrets whatsoevereadric said:
Chillax dude.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Now that is just plain silly.eadric said:
If it weren't for me, none of you would have even HEARD of this virus, and you'd still be talking about wage levels in care homes.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I really respect your knowledge and interest in this issue but maybe time to dial the panic down a biteadric said:OMG look, in news no-one expected, China now admits the virus did NOT start in Wuhan seafood market, which is just 200m from a laboratory investigating viruses in bats.
My God, where did this virus, which came from bats, actually originate?
https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1180429.shtml
Diamond Princess at the heart of the issue is a ship my wife and I have spent 33 days on between Canada and China in the last five years and we have followed the crisis on board daily
Furthermore your comment insults the intelligence of posters on this forum
You need to get a sense of perspective or lose creditabilty
I have perspective. See my earlier post today.
I reckon our best bet is just to accept this is going to happen, and tell people with the bug to stay home and take their chances. That way we do not savage the economy or crash the NHS.
In the end it will be the inevitable choice, if this does become a massive pandemic. And we will survive just fine.
In the meantime, this is the biggest news story in the world. Not commenting on remarkable developments is a bit daft, on a political betting website.
I hope you and Mrs Big G remain fit and well and go cruising for decades to come!
And now I have some grim domestic shit to deal with. Later.
Indeed there is nowhere left we want to visit to be fair
I really do believe that cruises are quite disgusting...and if any good comes out of the Conavirus it is to hit this sickening business that caters for geriatric Tories hard0 -
It’s Boris isn’t it? He has been off rehearsing.TheScreamingEagles said:Keep your diaries clear on Thursday
https://twitter.com/bbceurovision/status/12313141810114478090 -
Given we have Brexit'ed, I think we should also stop being involved in such a corrupt organisation.TheScreamingEagles said:Keep your diaries clear on Thursday
https://twitter.com/bbceurovision/status/12313141810114478090 -
Nick......you've not convinced me comrade....NickPalmer said:
It's not that bad! A friend who is a big fan perauded me to take one week-long cruise, and it was quite pleasant, with the usual mix of humanity - the star was a modest artist, who spent the whole trip sketching real and imagined maritime sights to amuse his grand-daughter when he arrived. I played a lot of bridge and did some dancing. I wouldn't do it again but it was a nice change.tyson said:
I like walking...I average over 21,500 steps per day...
You couldn't pay me to sit on a fucking cruise ship stuck with a bunch of Daily Mail reading grey heads stuffing their faces and professing their admiration for Boris Johnson...
Doubtless transporting 3000 by boat across the Atlantic by boat is better for the environment that a long haul flight...that is the kind of argument that washes with me and I was hoping Big_G to throw back...not the fact that you did a spot of dancing...
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Like Australia and Israel?FrancisUrquhart said:
Given we have Brexit'ed, I think we should also stop being involved in such a corrupt organisation.TheScreamingEagles said:Keep your diaries clear on Thursday
https://twitter.com/bbceurovision/status/12313141810114478090 -
Sanders is KILLING it in Nevada apparently. The 2.4 for no contested convention looks pretty good to me.1
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Is his answer to Trump's 'Basket of deplorables' to amass an army of 'Gypsies, tramps and thieves'?Casino_Royale said:1 -
The UK leaving Eurovision might make Brexit worth it.matt said:
Like Australia and Israel?FrancisUrquhart said:
Given we have Brexit'ed, I think we should also stop being involved in such a corrupt organisation.TheScreamingEagles said:Keep your diaries clear on Thursday
https://twitter.com/bbceurovision/status/12313141810114478090 -
I’m not sure about that - I did that crossing in the autumn and one factoid I picked up was that the ship uses more electricity than the entire population of Southampton. Generated by burning diesel and gas.tyson said:
Nick......you've not convinced me comrade....NickPalmer said:
It's not that bad! A friend who is a big fan perauded me to take one week-long cruise, and it was quite pleasant, with the usual mix of humanity - the star was a modest artist, who spent the whole trip sketching real and imagined maritime sights to amuse his grand-daughter when he arrived. I played a lot of bridge and did some dancing. I wouldn't do it again but it was a nice change.tyson said:
I like walking...I average over 21,500 steps per day...
You couldn't pay me to sit on a fucking cruise ship stuck with a bunch of Daily Mail reading grey heads stuffing their faces and professing their admiration for Boris Johnson...
Doubtless transporting 3000 by boat across the Atlantic by boat is better for the environment that a long haul flight...that is the kind of argument that washes with me and I was hoping Big_G to throw back...not the fact that you did a spot of dancing...0 -
@Big_G_NorthWalestyson said:
Why should I. Get over yourself Tyson
Because you cannot say how cruise ships benefit human beings? They don't. They are decadent, consumeristic, disgusting, vile, pollutants...that unfortunately seem to appeal to aspirational types that vote Tory and of a certain age....
I would imagine cruise ships are far more carbon efficient than planes.0 -
Is Sanders Strong Enough?Quincel said:
Is his answer to Trump's 'Basket of deplorables' to amass an army of 'Gypsies, tramps and thieves'?Casino_Royale said:0 -
I would imagine cruise ships are far more carbon efficient than planes.Gabs3 said:
@Big_G_NorthWalestyson said:
Why should I. Get over yourself Tyson
Because you cannot say how cruise ships benefit human beings? They don't. They are decadent, consumeristic, disgusting, vile, pollutants...that unfortunately seem to appeal to aspirational types that vote Tory and of a certain age....
Incorrectly, in all likelihood.
https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2006/dec/20/cruises.green0 -
Thats what they said about Corbyn...kinabalu said:
Bernie is coming. Change is coming.nunu2 said:Bernie leads with moderate voters!
https://mobile.twitter.com/SteveKornacki/status/1231313073039958023
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That doesn't seem credible, given that southampton has a population of a quarter of a million people. The average UK electricity consumption is 550W/person (thanks wikipedia), so these things would be using 120MW of electricity. A cursory google search suggests it's a tenth of that, or less.IanB2 said:
I’m not sure about that - I did that crossing in the autumn and one factoid I picked up was that the ship uses more electricity than the entire population of Southampton. Generated by burning diesel and gas.tyson said:
Nick......you've not convinced me comrade....NickPalmer said:
It's not that bad! A friend who is a big fan perauded me to take one week-long cruise, and it was quite pleasant, with the usual mix of humanity - the star was a modest artist, who spent the whole trip sketching real and imagined maritime sights to amuse his grand-daughter when he arrived. I played a lot of bridge and did some dancing. I wouldn't do it again but it was a nice change.tyson said:
I like walking...I average over 21,500 steps per day...
You couldn't pay me to sit on a fucking cruise ship stuck with a bunch of Daily Mail reading grey heads stuffing their faces and professing their admiration for Boris Johnson...
Doubtless transporting 3000 by boat across the Atlantic by boat is better for the environment that a long haul flight...that is the kind of argument that washes with me and I was hoping Big_G to throw back...not the fact that you did a spot of dancing...0 -
You can blame that on Eddie picking Daly at fullback despite Daly at full back being the most busted of busted flushes.TheScreamingEagles said:
So when I get shouted at for swearing between 3pm and 5pm tomorrow I can blame you?Alistair said:
I've backed the away team for every match this weekend.TheScreamingEagles said:First like France.
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Enjoyed a cruise up and down The Adriatic in 2018, huge respect for the entertainments on board, made the sun deck a haven of peace and quiet, and a good place for an evening's reading. Was happy to explore quite a few destinations on foot.
The cooler weather on a 2019 voyage in The Baltic was more taxing, had to wear warmer pullovers and woolly hats. Downside was being herded to and from destinations in St Petersburg, offset by visits to naval museums elsewhere.0 -
My guess - based on limited anecdotal evidence - is that a majority of Uk cruise passengers are Tories but a majority of US are Democrats. Go figure.tyson said:
I like walking...I average over 21,500 steps per day...Nigelb said:
So what do you do for your jollies, tyson ?tyson said:Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thank you but we have sailed our last cruise having been on many across the world and apart from visiting our eldest son and his wife in Vancouver in May, our international travel days are over and we have no regrets whatsoevereadric said:
Chillax dude.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Now that is just plain silly.eadric said:
If it weren't for me, none of you would have even HEARD of this virus, and you'd still be talking about wage levels in care homes.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I really respect your knowledge and interest in this issue but maybe time to dial the panic down a biteadric said:OMG look, in news no-one expected, China now admits the virus did NOT start in Wuhan seafood market, which is just 200m from a laboratory investigating viruses in bats.
My God, where did this virus, which came from bats, actually originate?
https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1180429.shtml
Diamond Princess at the heart of the issue is a ship my wife and I have spent 33 days on between Canada and China in the last five years and we have followed the crisis on board daily
Furthermore your comment insults the intelligence of posters on this forum
You need to get a sense of perspective or lose creditabilty
I have perspective. See my earlier post today.
I reckon our best bet is just to accept this is going to happen, and tell people with the bug to stay home and take their chances. That way we do not savage the economy or crash the NHS.
In the end it will be the inevitable choice, if this does become a massive pandemic. And we will survive just fine.
In the meantime, this is the biggest news story in the world. Not commenting on remarkable developments is a bit daft, on a political betting website.
I hope you and Mrs Big G remain fit and well and go cruising for decades to come!
And now I have some grim domestic shit to deal with. Later.
Indeed there is nowhere left we want to visit to be fair
I really do believe that cruises are quite disgusting...and if any good comes out of the Conavirus it is to hit this sickening business that caters for geriatric Tories hard
You couldn't pay me to sit on a fucking cruise ship stuck with a bunch of Daily Mail reading grey heads stuffing their faces and professing their admiration for Boris Johnson...0 -
He missed out Daily Mail readers...Philip_Thompson said:
You're just a nasty snivelling little troll aren't you?tyson said:Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thank you but we have sailed our last cruise having been on many across the world and apart from visiting our eldest son and his wife in Vancouver in May, our international travel days are over and we have no regrets whatsoevereadric said:
Chillax dude.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Now that is just plain silly.eadric said:
If it weren't for me, none of you would have even HEARD of this virus, and you'd still be talking about wage levels in care homes.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I really respect your knowledge and interest in this issue but maybe time to dial the panic down a biteadric said:OMG look, in news no-one expected, China now admits the virus did NOT start in Wuhan seafood market, which is just 200m from a laboratory investigating viruses in bats.
My God, where did this virus, which came from bats, actually originate?
https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1180429.shtml
Diamond Princess at the heart of the issue is a ship my wife and I have spent 33 days on between Canada and China in the last five years and we have followed the crisis on board daily
Furthermore your comment insults the intelligence of posters on this forum
You need to get a sense of perspective or lose creditabilty
I have perspective. See my earlier post today.
I reckon our best bet is just to accept this is going to happen, and tell people with the bug to stay home and take their chances. That way we do not savage the economy or crash the NHS.
In the end it will be the inevitable choice, if this does become a massive pandemic. And we will survive just fine.
In the meantime, this is the biggest news story in the world. Not commenting on remarkable developments is a bit daft, on a political betting website.
I hope you and Mrs Big G remain fit and well and go cruising for decades to come!
And now I have some grim domestic shit to deal with. Later.
Indeed there is nowhere left we want to visit to be fair
I really do believe that cruises are quite disgusting...and if any good comes out of the Conavirus it is to hit this sickening business that caters for geriatric Tories hard0 -
My wife and I have never danced on a cruise ship, gone to the shows, used the casinos or sat at a formal dinertyson said:
Nick......you've not convinced me comrade....NickPalmer said:
It's not that bad! A friend who is a big fan perauded me to take one week-long cruise, and it was quite pleasant, with the usual mix of humanity - the star was a modest artist, who spent the whole trip sketching real and imagined maritime sights to amuse his grand-daughter when he arrived. I played a lot of bridge and did some dancing. I wouldn't do it again but it was a nice change.tyson said:
I like walking...I average over 21,500 steps per day...
You couldn't pay me to sit on a fucking cruise ship stuck with a bunch of Daily Mail reading grey heads stuffing their faces and professing their admiration for Boris Johnson...
Doubtless transporting 3000 by boat across the Atlantic by boat is better for the environment that a long haul flight...that is the kind of argument that washes with me and I was hoping Big_G to throw back...not the fact that you did a spot of dancing...
We chose cruises that sail to places of interest and enjoy being at sea, the lectures, and visiting places that other transport would find difficult
To us cruising is a sea bound exploration and not like anything you may imagine. Indeed we converse with our fellow international passengers on many subjects but rarely politics
We have always subscribed to 'travel broadens the mind'.
Maybe you should try it Tyson, you may learn something1 -
A balanced selection of opinions there.Nigelb said:
Incorrectly, in all likelihood.
https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2006/dec/20/cruises.green0 -
I was hoping Big_G was going coming back with that kind of argument...but cruise ships are shocking...they dump sewage, waste, petrol emissions...they are disgusting things that destroy the oceans and environment...and destroy cities like Venice. They are man made abominations.....IanB2 said:
I’m not sure about that - I did that crossing in the autumn and one factoid I picked up was that the ship uses more electricity than the entire population of Southampton. Generated by burning diesel and gas.tyson said:
Nick......you've not convinced me comrade....NickPalmer said:
It's not that bad! A friend who is a big fan perauded me to take one week-long cruise, and it was quite pleasant, with the usual mix of humanity - the star was a modest artist, who spent the whole trip sketching real and imagined maritime sights to amuse his grand-daughter when he arrived. I played a lot of bridge and did some dancing. I wouldn't do it again but it was a nice change.tyson said:
I like walking...I average over 21,500 steps per day...
You couldn't pay me to sit on a fucking cruise ship stuck with a bunch of Daily Mail reading grey heads stuffing their faces and professing their admiration for Boris Johnson...
Doubtless transporting 3000 by boat across the Atlantic by boat is better for the environment that a long haul flight...that is the kind of argument that washes with me and I was hoping Big_G to throw back...not the fact that you did a spot of dancing...
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It's not endorsing the study, it's just saying it exists. China is a dictatorship but it's not North Korea, the regime needs a certain amount of normal reporting to happen for the country to function.eadric said:
What? It is one of THE propaganda outlets for the Beijing regimeedmundintokyo said:
A study posted on a Chinese website is not "China admits".eadric said:OMG look, in news no-one expected, China now admits the virus did NOT start in Wuhan seafood market, which is just 200m from a laboratory investigating viruses in bats.
My God, where did this virus, which came from bats, actually originate?
https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1180429.shtml
"The Global Times (simplified Chinese: 环球时报; traditional Chinese: 環球時報; pinyin: Huánqiú Shíbào) is a daily tabloid newspaper under the auspices of the Chinese Communist Party's People's Daily newspaper, commenting on international issues from a nationalistic perspective."0 -
I believe the figure for the QM2 is 118 million WRobD said:.
That doesn't seem credible, given that southampton has a population of a quarter of a million people. The average UK electricity consumption is 550W/person (thanks wikipedia), so these things would be using 120MW of electricity. A cursory google search suggests it's a tenth of that, or less.IanB2 said:
I’m not sure about that - I did that crossing in the autumn and one factoid I picked up was that the ship uses more electricity than the entire population of Southampton. Generated by burning diesel and gas.tyson said:
Nick......you've not convinced me comrade....NickPalmer said:
It's not that bad! A friend who is a big fan perauded me to take one week-long cruise, and it was quite pleasant, with the usual mix of humanity - the star was a modest artist, who spent the whole trip sketching real and imagined maritime sights to amuse his grand-daughter when he arrived. I played a lot of bridge and did some dancing. I wouldn't do it again but it was a nice change.tyson said:
I like walking...I average over 21,500 steps per day...
You couldn't pay me to sit on a fucking cruise ship stuck with a bunch of Daily Mail reading grey heads stuffing their faces and professing their admiration for Boris Johnson...
Doubtless transporting 3000 by boat across the Atlantic by boat is better for the environment that a long haul flight...that is the kind of argument that washes with me and I was hoping Big_G to throw back...not the fact that you did a spot of dancing...0 -
@Big_G_NorthWalestyson said:
Why should I. Get over yourself Tyson
Because you cannot say how cruise ships benefit human beings? They don't. They are decadent, consumeristic, disgusting, vile, pollutants...that unfortunately seem to appeal to aspirational types that vote Tory and of a certain age....
While I do like ships, coastline, ports and other countries, cruises are a bit like golf clubs. Potentially enjoyable but spoiled by their inhabitants. My opinion is mostly based on being in port when a cruise ship is in.
I imagine some small ship cruises with a specialist interest might be reasonably pleasant, and I did rather enjoy a Nile cruise 30 years ago.0 -
If you haven't already, try Viking.Big_G_NorthWales said:
My wife and I have never danced on a cruise ship, gone to the shows, used the casinos or sat at a formal dinertyson said:
Nick......you've not convinced me comrade....NickPalmer said:
It's not that bad! A friend who is a big fan perauded me to take one week-long cruise, and it was quite pleasant, with the usual mix of humanity - the star was a modest artist, who spent the whole trip sketching real and imagined maritime sights to amuse his grand-daughter when he arrived. I played a lot of bridge and did some dancing. I wouldn't do it again but it was a nice change.tyson said:
I like walking...I average over 21,500 steps per day...
You couldn't pay me to sit on a fucking cruise ship stuck with a bunch of Daily Mail reading grey heads stuffing their faces and professing their admiration for Boris Johnson...
Doubtless transporting 3000 by boat across the Atlantic by boat is better for the environment that a long haul flight...that is the kind of argument that washes with me and I was hoping Big_G to throw back...not the fact that you did a spot of dancing...
We chose cruises that sail to places of interest and enjoy being at sea, the lectures, and visiting places that other transport would find difficult
To us cruising is a sea bound exploration and not like anything you may imagine. Indeed we converse with our fellow international passengers on many subjects but rarely politics
We have always subscribed to 'travel broadens the mind'.
Maybe you should try it Tyson, you may learn something0 -
Ah, I see the confusion. I thought you were talking about electrical power.IanB2 said:
I believe the figure for the QM2 is 118 million WRobD said:.
That doesn't seem credible, given that southampton has a population of a quarter of a million people. The average UK electricity consumption is 550W/person (thanks wikipedia), so these things would be using 120MW of electricity. A cursory google search suggests it's a tenth of that, or less.IanB2 said:
I’m not sure about that - I did that crossing in the autumn and one factoid I picked up was that the ship uses more electricity than the entire population of Southampton. Generated by burning diesel and gas.tyson said:
Nick......you've not convinced me comrade....NickPalmer said:
It's not that bad! A friend who is a big fan perauded me to take one week-long cruise, and it was quite pleasant, with the usual mix of humanity - the star was a modest artist, who spent the whole trip sketching real and imagined maritime sights to amuse his grand-daughter when he arrived. I played a lot of bridge and did some dancing. I wouldn't do it again but it was a nice change.tyson said:
I like walking...I average over 21,500 steps per day...
You couldn't pay me to sit on a fucking cruise ship stuck with a bunch of Daily Mail reading grey heads stuffing their faces and professing their admiration for Boris Johnson...
Doubtless transporting 3000 by boat across the Atlantic by boat is better for the environment that a long haul flight...that is the kind of argument that washes with me and I was hoping Big_G to throw back...not the fact that you did a spot of dancing...0 -
Looks like NV will help Trump to another four years then.
This is Corbyn redux.
Jeez.0 -
Big_G_NorthWales said:
My wife and I have never danced on a cruise ship, gone to the shows, used the casinos or sat at a formal dinertyson said:
Nick......you've not convinced me comrade....NickPalmer said:
It's not that bad! A friend who is a big fan perauded me to take one week-long cruise, and it was quite pleasant, with the usual mix of humanity - the star was a modest artist, who spent the whole trip sketching real and imagined maritime sights to amuse his grand-daughter when he arrived. I played a lot of bridge and did some dancing. I wouldn't do it again but it was a nice change.tyson said:
I like walking...I average over 21,500 steps per day...
You couldn't pay me to sit on a fucking cruise ship stuck with a bunch of Daily Mail reading grey heads stuffing their faces and professing their admiration for Boris Johnson...
Doubtless transporting 3000 by boat across the Atlantic by boat is better for the environment that a long haul flight...that is the kind of argument that washes with me and I was hoping Big_G to throw back...not the fact that you did a spot of dancing...
We chose cruises that sail to places of interest and enjoy being at sea, the lectures, and visiting places that other transport would find difficult
To us cruising is a sea bound exploration and not like anything you may imagine. Indeed we converse with our fellow international passengers on many subjects but rarely politics
We have always subscribed to 'travel broadens the mind'.
Maybe you should try it Tyson, you may learn something
@Big_G_NorthWales
I'm being polemical with the Tory/ Daily Mail stuff...that's not what bothers me about cruise ships.They are just terrible for the environment.
My best friend returned yesterday full of beans from a 5 star trip to Vietnam- 5 star hotels, long haul trips/ shop flights/ tailored tours/ spectacular meals- I had to sit and listen to something that I found quite sickening....if I spoke my views he wouldn't be my friend anymore..that's compromise...
On here I can be honest...I'm not losing friends....and the environment matters to me a lot more than Brexit or any other political issue...0 -
The trick is trying to read through what you see as “normal reporting”. Which is by no means “normal”.edmundintokyo said:
It's not endorsing the study, it's just saying it exists. China is a dictatorship but it's not North Korea, the regime needs a certain amount of normal reporting to happen for the country to function.eadric said:
What? It is one of THE propaganda outlets for the Beijing regimeedmundintokyo said:
A study posted on a Chinese website is not "China admits".eadric said:OMG look, in news no-one expected, China now admits the virus did NOT start in Wuhan seafood market, which is just 200m from a laboratory investigating viruses in bats.
My God, where did this virus, which came from bats, actually originate?
https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1180429.shtml
"The Global Times (simplified Chinese: 环球时报; traditional Chinese: 環球時報; pinyin: Huánqiú Shíbào) is a daily tabloid newspaper under the auspices of the Chinese Communist Party's People's Daily newspaper, commenting on international issues from a nationalistic perspective."0 -
Going on that would literally be the worst experience in the world.Theuniondivvie said:I hate to throw petrol on the cruise ship fire but..
https://twitter.com/CholericCleric/status/1231314827676614656?s=200 -
More like half ?RobD said:.
That doesn't seem credible, given that southampton has a population of a quarter of a million people. The average UK electricity consumption is 550W/person (thanks wikipedia), so these things would be using 120MW of electricity. A cursory google search suggests it's a tenth of that, or less.IanB2 said:
I’m not sure about that - I did that crossing in the autumn and one factoid I picked up was that the ship uses more electricity than the entire population of Southampton. Generated by burning diesel and gas.tyson said:
Nick......you've not convinced me comrade....NickPalmer said:
It's not that bad! A friend who is a big fan perauded me to take one week-long cruise, and it was quite pleasant, with the usual mix of humanity - the star was a modest artist, who spent the whole trip sketching real and imagined maritime sights to amuse his grand-daughter when he arrived. I played a lot of bridge and did some dancing. I wouldn't do it again but it was a nice change.tyson said:
I like walking...I average over 21,500 steps per day...
You couldn't pay me to sit on a fucking cruise ship stuck with a bunch of Daily Mail reading grey heads stuffing their faces and professing their admiration for Boris Johnson...
Doubtless transporting 3000 by boat across the Atlantic by boat is better for the environment that a long haul flight...that is the kind of argument that washes with me and I was hoping Big_G to throw back...not the fact that you did a spot of dancing...
https://www.cruisemapper.com/wiki/752-cruise-ship-engine-propulsion-fuel
Usually, ships are powered by four or five generator sets (medium-speed, 500 revolutions per minute), fueled by diesel and creating 8-10 megawatts energy each..0 -
Actually, and on the other hand, the environmental aspects of the QM2 in terms of waste, water etc. are actually quite impressive. It desalinates water as it goes along, the water from baths and sinks is re-used washing decks etc., the human and food waste is all treated and eliminated on board, and they reckon the water they put back into the sea is cleaner than that they take out.tyson said:
I was hoping Big_G was going coming back with that kind of argument...but cruise ships are shocking...they dump sewage, waste, petrol emissions...they are disgusting things that destroy the oceans and environment...and destroy cities like Venice. They are man made abominations.....IanB2 said:
I’m not sure about that - I did that crossing in the autumn and one factoid I picked up was that the ship uses more electricity than the entire population of Southampton. Generated by burning diesel and gas.tyson said:
Nick......you've not convinced me comrade....NickPalmer said:
It's not that bad! A friend who is a big fan perauded me to take one week-long cruise, and it was quite pleasant, with the usual mix of humanity - the star was a modest artist, who spent the whole trip sketching real and imagined maritime sights to amuse his grand-daughter when he arrived. I played a lot of bridge and did some dancing. I wouldn't do it again but it was a nice change.tyson said:
I like walking...I average over 21,500 steps per day...
You couldn't pay me to sit on a fucking cruise ship stuck with a bunch of Daily Mail reading grey heads stuffing their faces and professing their admiration for Boris Johnson...
Doubtless transporting 3000 by boat across the Atlantic by boat is better for the environment that a long haul flight...that is the kind of argument that washes with me and I was hoping Big_G to throw back...not the fact that you did a spot of dancing...
You are right about the impact on the most popular destination cities; cruise ships are a pain in places like Venice, dumping huge numbers of people who wander around in large groups and bring relatively little economic benefit, and I don’t blame cities like Venice for wanting to clamp down on them and/or introduce some kind of tax to get some benefit.0 -
Thanks but no more cruises for us. We have been to so many places we have decided to hang up our passes and enjoy staycations, other than visiting our son and daughter in law inVancouverMexicanpete said:
If you haven't already, try Viking.Big_G_NorthWales said:
My wife and I have never danced on a cruise ship, gone to the shows, used the casinos or sat at a formal dinertyson said:
Nick......you've not convinced me comrade....NickPalmer said:
It's not that bad! A friend who is a big fan perauded me to take one week-long cruise, and it was quite pleasant, with the usual mix of humanity - the star was a modest artist, who spent the whole trip sketching real and imagined maritime sights to amuse his grand-daughter when he arrived. I played a lot of bridge and did some dancing. I wouldn't do it again but it was a nice change.tyson said:
I like walking...I average over 21,500 steps per day...
You couldn't pay me to sit on a fucking cruise ship stuck with a bunch of Daily Mail reading grey heads stuffing their faces and professing their admiration for Boris Johnson...
Doubtless transporting 3000 by boat across the Atlantic by boat is better for the environment that a long haul flight...that is the kind of argument that washes with me and I was hoping Big_G to throw back...not the fact that you did a spot of dancing...
We chose cruises that sail to places of interest and enjoy being at sea, the lectures, and visiting places that other transport would find difficult
To us cruising is a sea bound exploration and not like anything you may imagine. Indeed we converse with our fellow international passengers on many subjects but rarely politics
We have always subscribed to 'travel broadens the mind'.
Maybe you should try it Tyson, you may learn something0 -
Tourism doesn't destroy the environment, quite the opposite by exploring the world and broadening our minds it encourages us to look after the environment.tyson said:Big_G_NorthWales said:
My wife and I have never danced on a cruise ship, gone to the shows, used the casinos or sat at a formal dinertyson said:
Nick......you've not convinced me comrade....NickPalmer said:
It's not that bad! A friend who is a big fan perauded me to take one week-long cruise, and it was quite pleasant, with the usual mix of humanity - the star was a modest artist, who spent the whole trip sketching real and imagined maritime sights to amuse his grand-daughter when he arrived. I played a lot of bridge and did some dancing. I wouldn't do it again but it was a nice change.tyson said:
I like walking...I average over 21,500 steps per day...
You couldn't pay me to sit on a fucking cruise ship stuck with a bunch of Daily Mail reading grey heads stuffing their faces and professing their admiration for Boris Johnson...
Doubtless transporting 3000 by boat across the Atlantic by boat is better for the environment that a long haul flight...that is the kind of argument that washes with me and I was hoping Big_G to throw back...not the fact that you did a spot of dancing...
We chose cruises that sail to places of interest and enjoy being at sea, the lectures, and visiting places that other transport would find difficult
To us cruising is a sea bound exploration and not like anything you may imagine. Indeed we converse with our fellow international passengers on many subjects but rarely politics
We have always subscribed to 'travel broadens the mind'.
Maybe you should try it Tyson, you may learn something
@Big_G_NorthWales
I'm being polemical with the Tory/ Daily Mail stuff...that's not what bothers me about cruise ships.They are just terrible for the environment.
My best friend returned yesterday full of beans from a 5 star trip to Vietnam- 5 star hotels, long haul trips/ shop flights/ tailored tours/ spectacular meals- I had to sit and listen to something that I found quite sickening....if I spoke my views he wouldn't be my friend anymore..that's compromise...
On here I can be honest...I'm not losing friends....and the environment matters to me a lot more than Brexit or any other political issue...0 -
Its like Corbynism wasn't radical enough....rottenborough said:twitter.com/MsHelicat/status/1231330063502712832
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I am not an engineer but I believe the way it works is that the diesel and gas is burned to generate electricity and the electricity is used to power the ship.RobD said:
Ah, I see the confusion. I thought you were talking about electrical power.IanB2 said:
I believe the figure for the QM2 is 118 million WRobD said:.
That doesn't seem credible, given that southampton has a population of a quarter of a million people. The average UK electricity consumption is 550W/person (thanks wikipedia), so these things would be using 120MW of electricity. A cursory google search suggests it's a tenth of that, or less.IanB2 said:
I’m not sure about that - I did that crossing in the autumn and one factoid I picked up was that the ship uses more electricity than the entire population of Southampton. Generated by burning diesel and gas.tyson said:
Nick......you've not convinced me comrade....NickPalmer said:
It's not that bad! A friend who is a big fan perauded me to take one week-long cruise, and it was quite pleasant, with the usual mix of humanity - the star was a modest artist, who spent the whole trip sketching real and imagined maritime sights to amuse his grand-daughter when he arrived. I played a lot of bridge and did some dancing. I wouldn't do it again but it was a nice change.tyson said:
I like walking...I average over 21,500 steps per day...
You couldn't pay me to sit on a fucking cruise ship stuck with a bunch of Daily Mail reading grey heads stuffing their faces and professing their admiration for Boris Johnson...
Doubtless transporting 3000 by boat across the Atlantic by boat is better for the environment that a long haul flight...that is the kind of argument that washes with me and I was hoping Big_G to throw back...not the fact that you did a spot of dancing...0 -
I doubt he will even carry his own state once Trump has finished. Still at least Dem primary voters can feel the warm glow of purity washing over them as they make sure that there is a real choice etc etc.squareroot2 said:
Thats what they said about Corbyn...kinabalu said:
Bernie is coming. Change is coming.nunu2 said:Bernie leads with moderate voters!
https://mobile.twitter.com/SteveKornacki/status/1231313073039958023
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Perhaps you should consider being less dishonest so that your “friends” can know the real you.tyson said:Big_G_NorthWales said:
My wife and I have never danced on a cruise ship, gone to the shows, used the casinos or sat at a formal dinertyson said:
Nick......you've not convinced me comrade....NickPalmer said:
It's not that bad! A friend who is a big fan perauded me to take one week-long cruise, and it was quite pleasant, with the usual mix of humanity - the star was a modest artist, who spent the whole trip sketching real and imagined maritime sights to amuse his grand-daughter when he arrived. I played a lot of bridge and did some dancing. I wouldn't do it again but it was a nice change.tyson said:
I like walking...I average over 21,500 steps per day...
You couldn't pay me to sit on a fucking cruise ship stuck with a bunch of Daily Mail reading grey heads stuffing their faces and professing their admiration for Boris Johnson...
Doubtless transporting 3000 by boat across the Atlantic by boat is better for the environment that a long haul flight...that is the kind of argument that washes with me and I was hoping Big_G to throw back...not the fact that you did a spot of dancing...
We chose cruises that sail to places of interest and enjoy being at sea, the lectures, and visiting places that other transport would find difficult
To us cruising is a sea bound exploration and not like anything you may imagine. Indeed we converse with our fellow international passengers on many subjects but rarely politics
We have always subscribed to 'travel broadens the mind'.
Maybe you should try it Tyson, you may learn something
@Big_G_NorthWales
I'm being polemical with the Tory/ Daily Mail stuff...that's not what bothers me about cruise ships.They are just terrible for the environment.
My best friend returned yesterday full of beans from a 5 star trip to Vietnam- 5 star hotels, long haul trips/ shop flights/ tailored tours/ spectacular meals- I had to sit and listen to something that I found quite sickening....if I spoke my views he wouldn't be my friend anymore..that's compromise...
On here I can be honest...I'm not losing friends....and the environment matters to me a lot more than Brexit or any other political issue...0 -
We are very fortunate and of course it was assisted by our eldest moving to New Zealand 15 years ago and now living in Vancouvereadric said:
You are, sincerely, a very lucky man to have travelled to every place you want to visit.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thank you but we have sailed our last cruise having been on many across the world and apart from visiting our eldest son and his wife in Vancouver in May, our international travel days are over and we have no regrets whatsoevereadric said:
Chillax dude.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Now that is just plain silly.eadric said:
If it weren't for me, none of you would have even HEARD of this virus, and you'd still be talking about wage levels in care homes.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I really respect your knowledge and interest in this issue but maybe time to dial the panic down a biteadric said:OMG look, in news no-one expected, China now admits the virus did NOT start in Wuhan seafood market, which is just 200m from a laboratory investigating viruses in bats.
My God, where did this virus, which came from bats, actually originate?
https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1180429.shtml
Diamond Princess at the heart of the issue is a ship my wife and I have spent 33 days on between Canada and China in the last five years and we have followed the crisis on board daily
Furthermore your comment insults the intelligence of posters on this forum
You need to get a sense of perspective or lose creditabilty
I have perspective. See my earlier post today.
I reckon our best bet is just to accept this is going to happen, and tell people with the bug to stay home and take their chances. That way we do not savage the economy or crash the NHS.
In the end it will be the inevitable choice, if this does become a massive pandemic. And we will survive just fine.
In the meantime, this is the biggest news story in the world. Not commenting on remarkable developments is a bit daft, on a political betting website.
I hope you and Mrs Big G remain fit and well and go cruising for decades to come!
And now I have some grim domestic shit to deal with. Later.
Indeed there is nowhere left we want to visit to be fair
I've been to a lot of countries but still have quite a few to go. I make my first visit to central America next month. Should be fascinating.
We did say some years ago we would travel the world while we could and we did
No regrets and so many memories and 40,000 plus photos and videos0 -
By filling it with hotels and airports, and burning fossil fuels to get to them? Don't be silly.Philip_Thompson said:
Tourism doesn't destroy the environment, quite the opposite by exploring the world and broadening our minds it encourages us to look after the environment.tyson said:Big_G_NorthWales said:
My wife and I have never danced on a cruise ship, gone to the shows, used the casinos or sat at a formal dinertyson said:
Nick......you've not convinced me comrade....NickPalmer said:
It's not that bad! A friend who is a big fan perauded me to take one week-long cruise, and it was quite pleasant, with the usual mix of humanity - the star was a modest artist, who spent the whole trip sketching real and imagined maritime sights to amuse his grand-daughter when he arrived. I played a lot of bridge and did some dancing. I wouldn't do it again but it was a nice change.tyson said:
I like walking...I average over 21,500 steps per day...
You couldn't pay me to sit on a fucking cruise ship stuck with a bunch of Daily Mail reading grey heads stuffing their faces and professing their admiration for Boris Johnson...
Doubtless transporting 3000 by boat across the Atlantic by boat is better for the environment that a long haul flight...that is the kind of argument that washes with me and I was hoping Big_G to throw back...not the fact that you did a spot of dancing...
We chose cruises that sail to places of interest and enjoy being at sea, the lectures, and visiting places that other transport would find difficult
To us cruising is a sea bound exploration and not like anything you may imagine. Indeed we converse with our fellow international passengers on many subjects but rarely politics
We have always subscribed to 'travel broadens the mind'.
Maybe you should try it Tyson, you may learn something
@Big_G_NorthWales
I'm being polemical with the Tory/ Daily Mail stuff...that's not what bothers me about cruise ships.They are just terrible for the environment.
My best friend returned yesterday full of beans from a 5 star trip to Vietnam- 5 star hotels, long haul trips/ shop flights/ tailored tours/ spectacular meals- I had to sit and listen to something that I found quite sickening....if I spoke my views he wouldn't be my friend anymore..that's compromise...
On here I can be honest...I'm not losing friends....and the environment matters to me a lot more than Brexit or any other political issue...0 -
"It’s hard to imagine that this excited little girl presenting a bouquet to Princess Diana might one day lead the Labour Party."dr_spyn said:https://twitter.com/DailyMirror/status/1231331076133531650
Making the news 31 years ago.
Certainly hard to imagine! But maybe Lab are still in don't want to win mode.0 -
Sounds like you are an expert on - ahem - current affairsRobD said:.
That doesn't seem credible, given that southampton has a population of a quarter of a million people. The average UK electricity consumption is 550W/person (thanks wikipedia), so these things would be using 120MW of electricity. A cursory google search suggests it's a tenth of that, or less.IanB2 said:
I’m not sure about that - I did that crossing in the autumn and one factoid I picked up was that the ship uses more electricity than the entire population of Southampton. Generated by burning diesel and gas.tyson said:
Nick......you've not convinced me comrade....NickPalmer said:
It's not that bad! A friend who is a big fan perauded me to take one week-long cruise, and it was quite pleasant, with the usual mix of humanity - the star was a modest artist, who spent the whole trip sketching real and imagined maritime sights to amuse his grand-daughter when he arrived. I played a lot of bridge and did some dancing. I wouldn't do it again but it was a nice change.tyson said:
I like walking...I average over 21,500 steps per day...
You couldn't pay me to sit on a fucking cruise ship stuck with a bunch of Daily Mail reading grey heads stuffing their faces and professing their admiration for Boris Johnson...
Doubtless transporting 3000 by boat across the Atlantic by boat is better for the environment that a long haul flight...that is the kind of argument that washes with me and I was hoping Big_G to throw back...not the fact that you did a spot of dancing... 0 -
That Jeremy Corbyn failed to win an election here does not predestine the defeat of every radical left politician throughout the western world for the foreseeable future. He is just not that totemic.squareroot2 said:Thats what they said about Corbyn...
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Yes. Fossil fuels are burnt either way.IshmaelZ said:
By filling it with hotels and airports, and burning fossil fuels to get to them? Don't be silly.Philip_Thompson said:Tourism doesn't destroy the environment, quite the opposite by exploring the world and broadening our minds it encourages us to look after the environment.
If we put our heads in the sand and pretend like its not a real issue so long as we don't leave our tiny island the environment won't go away. Its a pathetic suggestion. The contribution to the climate of us travelling is absolutely meaningless on the grand scheme of things, but the contribution to our understanding of the world is much, much greater.0 -
While I do like ships, coastline, ports and other countries, cruises are a bit like golf clubs. Potentially enjoyable but spoiled by their inhabitants. My opinion is mostly based on being in port when a cruise ship is in.Foxy said:
@Big_G_NorthWalestyson said:
Why should I. Get over yourself Tyson
Because you cannot say how cruise ships benefit human beings? They don't. They are decadent, consumeristic, disgusting, vile, pollutants...that unfortunately seem to appeal to aspirational types that vote Tory and of a certain age....
I imagine some small ship cruises with a specialist interest might be reasonably pleasant, and I did rather enjoy a Nile cruise 30 years ago.
@foxinsoxuk
Now- I think sustainability and environmental impact have to be central to all our decisions and consumeristic choices......and then one can easily justify a cruise, eating meat, playing golf etc....provided it's sustainable....and there is no reason to think that consumerism and sustainability are incompatible...and we can restore habitats as much as we destroy them...
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It may well be curtailed and we know we are blessed to have travelled in the golden age of traveleadric said:
Indeed. I've always lived by the motto: never turn down an opportunity for travel or sex. And it has served me well.Big_G_NorthWales said:
We are very fortunate and of course it was assisted by our eldest moving to New Zealand 15 years ago and now living in Vancouvereadric said:
You are, sincerely, a very lucky man to have travelled to every place you want to visit.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thank you but we have sailed our last cruise having been on many across the world and apart from visiting our eldest son and his wife in Vancouver in May, our international travel days are over and we have no regrets whatsoevereadric said:
ChillaBig_G_NorthWales said:
Now that is just plain silly.eadric said:
If it weren't for me, none of you would have even HEARD of this virus, and you'd still be talking about wage levels in care homes.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I really respect your knowledge and interest in this issue but maybe time to dial the panic down a biteadric said:OMG look, in news no-one expected, China now admits the virus did NOT start in Wuhan seafood market, which is just 200m from a laboratory investigating viruses in bats.
My God, where did this virus, which came from bats, actually originate?
https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1180429.shtml
Diamond Princess at the heart of the issue is a ship my wife and I have spent 33 days on between Canada and China in the last five years and we have followed the crisis on board daily
Furthermore your comment insults the intelligence of posters on this forum
You need to get a sense of perspective or lose creditabilty
And now I have some grim domestic shit to deal with. Later.
Indeed there is nowhere left we want to visit to be fair
I've been to a lot of countries but still have quite a few to go. I make my first visit to central America next month. Should be fascinating.
We did say some years ago we would travel the world while we could and we did
No regrets and so many memories and 40,000 plus photos and videos
Travel has given me many of my richest experiences. The stuff I will smile about in my dotage. Not stuff I owned. No one dies regretting they didn't buy a bigger plasma screen TV, they die regretting friends they should have seen and places they should have been.
The problem is, can this continue? We've been through a golden age of mass travel. It may be unsustainable, and it may be ending.0 -
NPR:
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Modern cruise ships (usually) use IEP - integrated electric power where 3 phase electricity is generated by diesel generators and/or gas turbine to provide energy for propulsion and the ship's 'hotel' load (ie powering lights, HVAC, etc.).IanB2 said:
I am not an engineer but I believe the way it works is that the diesel and gas is burned to generate electricity and the electricity is used to power the ship.RobD said:
Ah, I see the confusion. I thought you were talking about electrical power.IanB2 said:
I believe the figure for the QM2 is 118 million WRobD said:.
That doesn't seem credible, given that southampton has a population of a quarter of a million people. The average UK electricity consumption is 550W/person (thanks wikipedia), so these things would be using 120MW of electricity. A cursory google search suggests it's a tenth of that, or less.IanB2 said:
I’m not sure about that - I did that crossing in the autumn and one factoid I picked up was that the ship uses more electricity than the entire population of Southampton. Generated by burning diesel and gas.tyson said:
Nick......you've not convinced me comrade....NickPalmer said:
It's not that bad! A friend who is a big fan perauded me to take one week-long cruise, and it was quite pleasant, with the usual mix of humanity - the star was a modest artist, who spent the whole trip sketching real and imagined maritime sights to amuse his grand-daughter when he arrived. I played a lot of bridge and did some dancing. I wouldn't do it again but it was a nice change.tyson said:
I like walking...I average over 21,500 steps per day...
You couldn't pay me to sit on a fucking cruise ship stuck with a bunch of Daily Mail reading grey heads stuffing their faces and professing their admiration for Boris Johnson...
Doubtless transporting 3000 by boat across the Atlantic by boat is better for the environment that a long haul flight...that is the kind of argument that washes with me and I was hoping Big_G to throw back...not the fact that you did a spot of dancing...
HMS QE and the T45s also use IEP but the RN is fucked off with the system and has regressed to CODLOG for T26 the even simpler CODAD pure diesel for T31 (if it ever gets built).0 -
Early results (first 2% precincts) show him winning by miles, maybe 20% ahead of 2nd. Biden looking close with Mayor Pete for 2nd.rottenborough said:NPR:
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These people hated New Labour because it tried discipline over message.
Yet iirc not a single MP was suspended, even Corbyn, who may as well have been working for the Tories.
https://twitter.com/DawnButlerBrent/status/1231249349969137664
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Go Pete.Quincel said:
Early results (first 2% precincts) show him winning by miles, maybe 20% ahead of 2nd. Biden looking close with Mayor Pete for 2nd.rottenborough said:NPR:
Entrance Polls Point To A Big Day For Sanders
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Cruise ships should be banned from Venice. There are other ports they could useeadric said:
Yep.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It may well be curtailed and we know we are blessed to have travelled in the golden age of traveleadric said:
Indeed. I've alwaysble, and it may be ending.Big_G_NorthWales said:
We are very fortunate and of course it was assisted by our eldest moving to New Zealand 15 years ago and now living in Vancouvereadric said:
You are, sincerely, a very lucky man to have travelled to every place you want to visit.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thank you but we havwe want to visit to be faireadric said:
ChillaBig_G_NorthWales said:
Now that is justspective or lose creditabiltyeadric said:
If it weren't for me, none of you would have even HEARD of this virus, and you'd still be talking about wage levels in care homes.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I really respect your knowledge and interest in this issue but maybe time to dial the panic down a biteadric said:OMG look, in news no-one expected, China now admits the virus did NOT start in Wuhan seafood market, which is just 200m from a laboratory investigating viruses in bats.
My God, where did this virus, which came from bats, actually originate?
https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1180429.shtml
And now I have some grim domestic shit to deal with. Later.
I've been to a lot of countries but still have quite a few to go. I make my first visit to central America next month. Should be fascinating.
We did say some years ago we would travel the world while we could and we did
No regrets and so many memories and 40,000 plus photos and videos
I've been to Venice half a dozen times. I've been lucky to see it virtually empty (admittedly in winter)
It is now almost unbearable, all year round. There's just TOO MANY PEOPLE who can afford to go there and are desperate to go there. And they will go there unless Venice itself is rationed, and only a few get the chance.
This will happen, and it will be done by price. You will have to pay a load of money JUST to get into Venice. Travel will become the preserve of the very rich, as it was in the 19th century.2 -
Dems.
It's like watching your cousins organise their own spectacular car crash despite your own massive car crash back in early December.1 -
Speaking of travel, my UK passport needs renewal. When do the blue ones start being issued?0
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When the supply of the old one is used up.Tim_B said:Speaking of travel, my UK passport needs renewal. When do the blue ones start being issued?
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I believe it is MayTim_B said:Speaking of travel, my UK passport needs renewal. When do the blue ones start being issued?
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Approximately: Mix of blue and burgundy from next month, should be fully blue by the summer.Tim_B said:Speaking of travel, my UK passport needs renewal. When do the blue ones start being issued?
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When we did our Adriatic cruise last autumn we deliberately chose one which avoided Venice. Korcula was out favourite stop followed by Kotor and Split. Dubrovnik is a waste of time - far too busy and trading on "Game of Thrones".Big_G_NorthWales said:
Cruise ships should be banned from Venice. There are other ports they could use
I enjoy "sea" days - when we did our caribbean no-fly I loved the days crossing the Atlantic at 20mph day and night.
Masterly inactivity - that's the aspect of cruising I love.
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It does in the USA I am afraid.kinabalu said:
That Jeremy Corbyn failed to win an election here does not predestine the defeat of every radical left politician throughout the western world for the foreseeable future. He is just not that totemic.squareroot2 said:Thats what they said about Corbyn...
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Almost reminiscent of Kissinger's (?) comment about Yasser Arafat - he never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity.rottenborough said:Dems.
It's like watching your cousins organise their own spectacular car crash despite your own massive car crash back in early December.1 -
Being at sea is our joy but then we both have the sea in our bloodstodge said:
When we did our Adriatic cruise last autumn we deliberately chose one which avoided Venice. Korcula was out favourite stop followed by Kotor and Split. Dubrovnik is a waste of time - far too busy and trading on "Game of Thrones".Big_G_NorthWales said:
Cruise ships should be banned from Venice. There are other ports they could use
I enjoy "sea" days - when we did our caribbean no-fly I loved the days crossing the Atlantic at 20mph day and night.
Masterly inactivity - that's the aspect of cruising I love.
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Big_G_NorthWales said:
If you are over 60 with an occupational pension you are like me the lucky ones financially and in many other respects. I’m afraid we are cosseted from the realities of life for many people and see it through rose tinted spectacles we might think we know the world but I seriously doubt it.eadric said:
It may well be curtailed and we know we are blessed to have travelled in the golden age of travelBig_G_NorthWales said:
Indeed. I've always lived by the motto: never turn down an opportunity for travel or sex. And it has served me well.eadric said:
We are very fortunate and of course it was assisted by our eldest moving to New Zealand 15 years ago and now living in VancouverBig_G_NorthWales said:
You are, sincerely, a very lucky man to have travelled to every place you want to visit.eadric said:
Thank you but we have sailed our last cruise having been on many across the world and apart from visiting our eldest son and his wife in Vancouver in May, our international travel days are over and we have no regrets whatsoeverBig_G_NorthWales said:
Chillaeadric said:
Furthermore your comment insults the intelligence of posters on this forumBig_G_NorthWales said:
I really respect your knowledge and interest in this issue but maybe time to dial the panic down a biteadric said:OMG look, in news no-one expected, China now admits the virus did NOT start in Wuhan seafood market, which is just 200m from a laboratory investigating viruses in bats.
My God, where did this virus, which came from bats, actually originate?
https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1180429.shtml
You need to get a sense of perspective or lose creditabilty
And now I have some grim domestic shit to deal with. Later.
Indeed there is nowhere left we want to visit to be fair
I've been to a lot of countries but still have quite a few to go. I make my first visit to central America next month. Should be fascinating.
We did say some years ago we would travel the world while we could and we did
No regrets and so many memories and 40,000 plus photos and videos
Travel has given me many of my richest experiences. The stuff I will smile about in my dotage. Not stuff I owned. No one dies regretting they didn't buy a bigger plasma screen TV, they die regretting friends they should have seen and places they should have been.
The problem is, can this continue? We've been through a golden age of mass travel. It may be unsustainable, and it may be ending.0 -
I don't actually recall Corbyn ever making a personal criticism of Blair or Brown (or anyone else much, he doesn't do personality stuff), let alone working to undermine them. He obviously disagreed with them lots about issues (almost without exception without risk to the Government, as he wasn't rebelling on issues that the Tories opposed). To be fair to Butler (who I'm not putting high on my own paper) I don't think she'd expel someone for disagreeing with policies.rottenborough said:These people hated New Labour because it tried discipline over message.
Yet iirc not a single MP was suspended, even Corbyn, who may as well have been working for the Tories.
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It’s a nice place to be out and about up to about 9.30 ameadric said:
Yep.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It may well be curtailed and we know we are blessed to have travelled in the golden age of traveleadric said:
Indeed. I've alwaysble, and it may be ending.Big_G_NorthWales said:
We are very fortunate and of course it was assisted by our eldest moving to New Zealand 15 years ago and now living in Vancouvereadric said:
You are, sincerely, a very lucky man to have travelled to every place you want to visit.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thank you but we havwe want to visit to be faireadric said:
ChillaBig_G_NorthWales said:
Now that is justspective or lose creditabiltyeadric said:
If it weren't for me, none of you would have even HEARD of this virus, and you'd still be talking about wage levels in care homes.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I really respect your knowledge and interest in this issue but maybe time to dial the panic down a biteadric said:OMG look, in news no-one expected, China now admits the virus did NOT start in Wuhan seafood market, which is just 200m from a laboratory investigating viruses in bats.
My God, where did this virus, which came from bats, actually originate?
https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1180429.shtml
And now I have some grim domestic shit to deal with. Later.
I've been to a lot of countries but still have quite a few to go. I make my first visit to central America next month. Should be fascinating.
We did say some years ago we would travel the world while we could and we did
No regrets and so many memories and 40,000 plus photos and videos
I've been to Venice half a dozen times. I've been lucky to see it virtually empty (admittedly in winter)
It is now almost unbearable, all year round. There's just TOO MANY PEOPLE who can afford to go there and are desperate to go there. And they will go there unless Venice itself is rationed, and only a few get the chance.
This will happen, and it will be done by price. You will have to pay a load of money JUST to get into Venice. Travel will become the preserve of the very rich, as it was in the 19th century.0 -
Indeed.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Cruise ships should be banned from Venice. There are other ports they could useeadric said:
Yep.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It may well be curtailed and we know we are blessed to have travelled in the golden age of traveleadric said:
Indeed. I've alwaysble, and it may be ending.Big_G_NorthWales said:
We are very fortunate and of course it was assisted by our eldest moving to New Zealand 15 years ago and now living in Vancouvereadric said:
You are, sincerely, a very lucky man to have travelled to every place you want to visit.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thank you but we havwe want to visit to be faireadric said:
ChillaBig_G_NorthWales said:
Now that is justspective or lose creditabiltyeadric said:
If it weren't for me, none of you would have even HEARD of this virus, and you'd still be talking about wage levels in care homes.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I really respect your knowledge and interest in this issue but maybe time to dial the panic down a biteadric said:OMG look, in news no-one expected, China now admits the virus did NOT start in Wuhan seafood market, which is just 200m from a laboratory investigating viruses in bats.
My God, where did this virus, which came from bats, actually originate?
https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1180429.shtml
And now I have some grim domestic shit to deal with. Later.
I've been to a lot of countries but still have quite a few to go. I make my first visit to central America next month. Should be fascinating.
We did say some years ago we would travel the world while we could and we did
No regrets and so many memories and 40,000 plus photos and videos
I've been to Venice half a dozen times. I've been lucky to see it virtually empty (admittedly in winter)
It is now almost unbearable, all year round. There's just TOO MANY PEOPLE who can afford to go there and are desperate to go there. And they will go there unless Venice itself is rationed, and only a few get the chance.
This will happen, and it will be done by price. You will have to pay a load of money JUST to get into Venice. Travel will become the preserve of the very rich, as it was in the 19th century.0 -
Sanders is not nearly as left economically and he has consistently opposed autocratic regimes on right and left for 30 years.Mexicanpete said:
It does in the USA I am afraid.kinabalu said:
That Jeremy Corbyn failed to win an election here does not predestine the defeat of every radical left politician throughout the western world for the foreseeable future. He is just not that totemic.squareroot2 said:Thats what they said about Corbyn...
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If you think a bellowing, ranty, red faced N Eastern socialist can win against Trump then I have a dozen bridges to sell you :-)Mexicanpete said:
It does in the USA I am afraid.kinabalu said:
That Jeremy Corbyn failed to win an election here does not predestine the defeat of every radical left politician throughout the western world for the foreseeable future. He is just not that totemic.squareroot2 said:Thats what they said about Corbyn...
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Well, I suppose it depends what is meant by 'undermines', so fair point.NickPalmer said:
I don't actually recall Corbyn ever making a personal criticism of Blair or Brown (or anyone else much, he doesn't do personality stuff), let alone working to undermine them. He obviously disagreed with them lots about issues (almost without exception without risk to the Government, as he wasn't rebelling on issues that the Tories opposed). To be fair to Butler (who I'm not putting high on my own paper) I don't think she'd expel someone for disagreeing with policies.rottenborough said:These people hated New Labour because it tried discipline over message.
Yet iirc not a single MP was suspended, even Corbyn, who may as well have been working for the Tories.
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Did you stop in Gothenburg?dr_spyn said:Enjoyed a cruise up and down The Adriatic in 2018, huge respect for the entertainments on board, made the sun deck a haven of peace and quiet, and a good place for an evening's reading. Was happy to explore quite a few destinations on foot.
The cooler weather on a 2019 voyage in The Baltic was more taxing, had to wear warmer pullovers and woolly hats. Downside was being herded to and from destinations in St Petersburg, offset by visits to naval museums elsewhere.0 -
Can you get minus points?TheScreamingEagles said:Keep your diaries clear on Thursday
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nichomar said:
At 76 and 80 we are grateful for all our blessings and believe you me, we have experienced some of the most depressing aspects of life and abject povety in our travels.Big_G_NorthWales said:
If you are over 60 with an occupational pension you are like me the lucky ones financially and in many other respects. I’m afraid we are cosseted from the realities of life for many people and see it through rose tinted spectacles we might think we know the world but I seriously doubt it.eadric said:
It may well be curtailed and we know we are blessed to have travelled in the golden age of travelBig_G_NorthWales said:
Indeed. I've always lived by the motto: never turn down an opportunity for travel or sex. And it has served me well.eadric said:
We are very fortunate and of course it was assisted by our eldest moving to New Zealand 15 years ago and now living in VancouverBig_G_NorthWales said:
You are, sincerely, a very lucky man to have travelled to every place you want to visit.eadric said:
Thank you but we have sailed our last cruiseBig_G_NorthWales said:
Chillaeadric said:
Furthermore your comment insults the intelligence of posters on this forumBig_G_NorthWales said:
I really respect your knowledge and interest in this issue but maybe time to dial the panic down a biteadric said:OMG look, in news no-one expected, China now admits the virus did NOT start in Wuhan seafood market, which is just 200m from a laboratory investigating viruses in bats.
https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1180429.shtml
You need to get a sense of perspective or lose creditabilty
And now I have some grim domestic shit to deal with. Later.
Indeed there is nowhere left we want to visit to be fair
I've been to a lot of countries but still have quite a few to go. I make my first visit to central America next month. Should be fascinating.
We did say some years ago we would travel the world while we could and we did
No regrets and so many memories and 40,000 plus photos and videos
Travel has given me many of my richest experiences. The stuff I will smile about in my dotage. Not stuff I owned. No one dies regretting they didn't buy a bigger plasma screen TV, they die regretting friends they should have seen and places they should have been.
The problem is, can this continue? We've been through a golden age of mass travel. It may be unsustainable, and it may be ending.
To suggest we look at things through rose tinted spectacles is just wrong0 -
I wonder if it'll smell of excrement like his effing trains.Dura_Ace said:
Going on that would literally be the worst experience in the world.Theuniondivvie said:I hate to throw petrol on the cruise ship fire but..
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Mr Kinbalu was saying just because Corbyn lost, other leftists wouldn't necessarily lose in the Western World. I believe I said they could not win in the US. So either I did not make myself clear or you have misunderstood what I was saying.rottenborough said:
If you think a bellowing, ranty, red faced N Eastern socialist can win against Trump then I have a dozen bridges to sell you :-)Mexicanpete said:
It does in the USA I am afraid.kinabalu said:
That Jeremy Corbyn failed to win an election here does not predestine the defeat of every radical left politician throughout the western world for the foreseeable future. He is just not that totemic.squareroot2 said:Thats what they said about Corbyn...
You even got a 'like' for your misunderstanding. Just to reiterate, Sanders CANNOT beat Trump. Clear?0 -
A second in NV for Biden would be big, would put SC in the bag.0
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In NV, if there's a tie it is cards.
Tie In Nevada? Pick A Card, Any Card
https://apps.npr.org/liveblogs/20200222-nevada/?utm_campaign=politics&utm_medium=social&utm_term=nprnews&utm_source=twitter.com
Not sure I believe this one.0 -
If only he could 'Turn back time' to when he was still a young buck in his early 80s.Quincel said:
Is his answer to Trump's 'Basket of deplorables' to amass an army of 'Gypsies, tramps and thieves'?Casino_Royale said:0 -
And yet so many would, have and did say disagreeing with policies is undermining the leader, so why wouldn't she do that?NickPalmer said:
I don't actually recall Corbyn ever making a personal criticism of Blair or Brown (or anyone else much, he doesn't do personality stuff), let alone working to undermine them. He obviously disagreed with them lots about issues (almost without exception without risk to the Government, as he wasn't rebelling on issues that the Tories opposed). To be fair to Butler (who I'm not putting high on my own paper) I don't think she'd expel someone for disagreeing with policies.rottenborough said:These people hated New Labour because it tried discipline over message.
Yet iirc not a single MP was suspended, even Corbyn, who may as well have been working for the Tories.
https://twitter.com/DawnButlerBrent/status/12312493499691376640
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