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We are now just six and a half weeks off the first big event in WH2020 – the Iowa caucuses on February 3rd when those seeking the Democratic nomination will face their first electoral test with real voters. The crowded field has slimmed back a bit with former favourite Kamala Harris pulling out but there are a lot of contenders still there.
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Bugger.0
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In stark contrast to my next Labour leader market, my Democratic nomination bets are an unhappy affair.0
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Another first? Suspicious.TheScreamingEagles said:Bugger.
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Ditto.AlastairMeeks said:In stark contrast to my next Labour leader market, my Democratic nomination bets are an unhappy affair.
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What’s the plural of caucus?
Is it caucusii?0 -
Apart from Churchill, who was something of a special case, when did Britain last have a septuagenarian PM?0
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Makes sense. And while fixture congestion due to Qatar won't happen every season congestion due to 4 regular competitions each season should. Champions League runs should not be a rarity so makes sense to plan for congestion being for life not just for Christmas.TheScreamingEagles said:
No, just given our fixture pile up in the second half of the season, I’d expect the front three to be rotated and Origi, Shaqiri, and Minamino to play a fair bit.Philip_Thompson said:
You think he'll be picked ahead of Origi? Who's he going to be first choice ahead of? Or just eventually when someone moves on?TheScreamingEagles said:
I think he’ll be first choice when Mane or Salah aren’t playing this season.Philip_Thompson said:
Would he be a starting player or a squad player? If he's going to be a starting player that is outstandingly good value!TheScreamingEagles said:So if this transfer happens Liverpool’s starting line up will include
Gini, Mini, Mane, Mo.
Takumi Minamino due for Liverpool medical to seal move from RB Salzburg
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/dec/18/takumi-minamino-due-for-liverpool-medical-to-seal-move-from-rb-salzburg
But eventually he’ll become a first choice.
Minamino is similar to Mane and Salah, so when they aren’t playing he’d be logical choice.0 -
Trust in my Girl Liz and you will be fine in the end.AlastairMeeks said:In stark contrast to my next Labour leader market, my Democratic nomination bets are an unhappy affair.
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Chamberlain, 1940.Stark_Dawning said:Apart from Churchill, who was something of a special case, when did Britain last have a septuagenarian PM?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prime_ministers_of_the_United_Kingdom_by_age0 -
Didn't turn out well, did it.RobD said:
Chamberlain, 1940.Stark_Dawning said:Apart from Churchill, who was something of a special case, when did Britain last have a septuagenarian PM?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prime_ministers_of_the_United_Kingdom_by_age
From where I'm standing, we've got to give these young people a chance.0 -
I’m ok so long as Bloomberg and Yang crash and burn, and Clinton doesn’t go on an ego trip.0
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It is a fascinating cultural difference. They’d get nowhere in the leadership race for a major British party, simply on the basis of age. I wonder what drives that?0
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Bloomberg is a slight worry, but I think everyone has seen his ads by now and made up their mind.
I don't think it's realistic to win when you skip the first 4 contests.
The top (And most realistic 4) are happy valley in my book anyway.0 -
The PM of Malaysia is 94, these candidates are too young!0
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If I was starting the book De Novo, Biden looks like a superior chance than 25% I think. He's kept a consistent lead in national polling, is well liked by the party and is competitive for the lead in all early states.
The reasons he's being bet against are the sort of fluff that caused twitter to think Labour were going to win last week.0 -
Have covered Bloomberg but am the same otherwise.Casino_Royale said:I’m ok so long as Bloomberg and Yang crash and burn, and Clinton doesn’t go on an ego trip.
But if Julian Castro, Klobuchar or Booker can somehow get back into it...0 -
Here's a thought - May back in the Cabinet? I've often thought it a shame ex PMs usually bugger off now or take lower profiles, especially if they might be good ministers even if not good pms.
Probably too soon, and theres ERGers to reward0 -
Make her Northern Ireland Secretary.kle4 said:Here's a thought - May back in the Cabinet? I've often thought it a shame ex PMs usually bugger off now or take lower profiles, especially if they might be good ministers even if not good pms.
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I'm really impressed that TMay hasn't 'done one' and has returned to the backbenches and continue to be a constituency MP ... fair play to her.kle4 said:Here's a thought - May back in the Cabinet? I've often thought it a shame ex PMs usually bugger off now or take lower profiles, especially if they might be good ministers even if not good pms.
Probably too soon, and theres ERGers to reward2 -
not Brexit sec?TheScreamingEagles said:
Make her Northern Ireland Secretary.kle4 said:Here's a thought - May back in the Cabinet? I've often thought it a shame ex PMs usually bugger off now or take lower profiles, especially if they might be good ministers even if not good pms.
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That job’s getting abolished in January.Scrapheap_as_was said:
not Brexit sec?TheScreamingEagles said:
Make her Northern Ireland Secretary.kle4 said:Here's a thought - May back in the Cabinet? I've often thought it a shame ex PMs usually bugger off now or take lower profiles, especially if they might be good ministers even if not good pms.
Probably too soon, and theres ERGers to reward
I think Mrs May is the ideal person to explain why putting a border in the Irish Sea is a brilliant idea.2 -
We'll pass on that idea, lol.TheScreamingEagles said:
Make her Northern Ireland Secretary.kle4 said:Here's a thought - May back in the Cabinet? I've often thought it a shame ex PMs usually bugger off now or take lower profiles, especially if they might be good ministers even if not good pms.
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But are there enough people of talent?
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Bit tight against the pillars there, and no mic system? Time to use a different room.isam said:But are there enough people of talent?
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Home didn't, in the 70's.kle4 said:Here's a thought - May back in the Cabinet? I've often thought it a shame ex PMs usually bugger off now or take lower profiles, especially if they might be good ministers even if not good pms.
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MorecusTheScreamingEagles said:What’s the plural of caucus?
Is it caucusii?1 -
If Yvette Cooper is going to run for the leadership again, she needs to be a damn sight more inspiring than last time.
If her and Burnham hadn't been so vanilla in 2015 Jezza wouldn't have had a look-in.3 -
In fairness I have a slightly different perspective of what constitutes recent happenings than your fine selfOldKingCole said:
Home didn't, in the 70's.kle4 said:Here's a thought - May back in the Cabinet? I've often thought it a shame ex PMs usually bugger off now or take lower profiles, especially if they might be good ministers even if not good pms.
Probably too soon, and theres ERGers to reward
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None will make the mistake of backing a tory proposal in a vote though.SandyRentool said:If Yvette Cooper is going to run for the leadership again, she needs to be a damn sight more inspiring than last time.
If her and Burnham hadn't been so vanilla in 2015 Jezza wouldn't have had a look-in.0 -
Caucuses. It's a relatively recent addition to the English language and irregular plurals are now considered linguistically closed. See also strong verbs.TheScreamingEagles said:What’s the plural of caucus?
Is it caucusii?0 -
The country made a bit of an error in not giving Johnson a large enough majority...
https://twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/1207189304784625664
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I agree with Pulpstar that Biden shouldn't be underestimated just because he's the boringly obvious choice. I still think Buttigieg flatters to deceive and will fall short in practice. Sanders seems to be edging upwards as the more unambiguous leftie, though the progressive wing really needs to get an early Warren or Sanders decision to avoid Biden winning every contest. Age doesn't seem to be a factor for most voters (even here - among the reasons not to fancy Corbyn, that didn't really feature large), though Sanders will need to reckon that health will be an issue.
The Bloomberg, Clinton and Yang candidacies, by contrast, all look clear lays.0 -
Not all ERG will be hardliners. The majority of the ERG backed May's deal, in the end. More important is how many are true believing Spartans and how many would fold if Boris told them to.Pulpstar said:The country made a bit of an error in not giving Johnson a large enough majority...
https://twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/12071893047846256640 -
More definitive evidence that the Brexit Party cost the Tories seats at the GE. About 20 in fact, the consequence of which is that Johnson was denied a 3 figure majority.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nigel-farage-stopped-tories-taking-20-more-seats-say-pollsters-d0wdjppxh
Paul Hilder, chief executive of the polling firm Datapraxis, said: “According to our analysis, there are at least 20 Labour-held seats where the Brexit Party likely cost the Tories victory. One of the things that happened through the campaign was that some of the Labour to Brexit Party switchers came back to Labour, a few went tactically to the Tories and some ended up staying home.” He added: “In seats such as Hartlepool, Rotherham and Barnsley Central and East, between 70 and 90 per cent of Brexit Party voters said they would vote Conservative if it was a two-horse race, with a maximum of 6.5 per cent choosing Labour instead.”
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So the result was even worse for Labour than the numbers imply?Wulfrun_Phil said:More definitive evidence that the Brexit Party cost the Tories seats at the GE. About 20 in fact, the consequence of which is that Johnson was denied a 3 figure majority.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nigel-farage-stopped-tories-taking-20-more-seats-say-pollsters-d0wdjppxh
Paul Hilder, chief executive of the polling firm Datapraxis, said: “According to our analysis, there are at least 20 Labour-held seats where the Brexit Party likely cost the Tories victory. One of the things that happened through the campaign was that some of the Labour to Brexit Party switchers came back to Labour, a few went tactically to the Tories and some ended up staying home.” He added: “In seats such as Hartlepool, Rotherham and Barnsley Central and East, between 70 and 90 per cent of Brexit Party voters said they would vote Conservative if it was a two-horse race, with a maximum of 6.5 per cent choosing Labour instead.”
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Emily Thornberry has declared she is entering the race to succeed Jeremy Corbyn, revealing she warned the Labour leadership that backing a Brexit election would be an “act of catastrophic political folly”.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/18/emily-thornberry-throws-her-hat-into-ring-for-labour-leadership0 -
What Boris has to hope for is that the ERG thing hasn't become a cult in itself, with people attracted to its notoriety, scheming and power to destroy and humiliate prime ministers. If its members are there because they get a kick out of causing trouble then Boris may have problems.kle4 said:
Not all ERG will be hardliners. The majority of the ERG backed May's deal, in the end. More important is how many are true believing Spartans and how many would fold if Boris told them to.Pulpstar said:The country made a bit of an error in not giving Johnson a large enough majority...
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She was holed below the line before she even started.TheScreamingEagles said:BOOM
Emily Thornberry has declared she is entering the race to succeed Jeremy Corbyn, revealing she warned the Labour leadership that backing a Brexit election would be an “act of catastrophic political folly”.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/18/emily-thornberry-throws-her-hat-into-ring-for-labour-leadership
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So Emily Thornberry is going to try and win the Labour leadership at the same time as taking Caroline Flint to court.
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Come on Emily!TheScreamingEagles said:BOOM
Emily Thornberry has declared she is entering the race to succeed Jeremy Corbyn, revealing she warned the Labour leadership that backing a Brexit election would be an “act of catastrophic political folly”.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/18/emily-thornberry-throws-her-hat-into-ring-for-labour-leadership
[poster failed to declare a financial interest in this outcome].0 -
David Miliband is out to 500-1.
Backers must have lost faith.
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If Emily Thornberry wins the Labour leadership contest then I'm joining the Labour party.
Finally I will have a leader that shares my worldview on the Brexiteers/Working Class voters.1 -
In fairness reasons not to fancy Corbyn was a pretty crowded field but his relative inexperience in only being a stripling at 70 years of age did not feature too highly.NickPalmer said:I agree with Pulpstar that Biden shouldn't be underestimated just because he's the boringly obvious choice. I still think Buttigieg flatters to deceive and will fall short in practice. Sanders seems to be edging upwards as the more unambiguous leftie, though the progressive wing really needs to get an early Warren or Sanders decision to avoid Biden winning every contest. Age doesn't seem to be a factor for most voters (even here - among the reasons not to fancy Corbyn, that didn't really feature large), though Sanders will need to reckon that health will be an issue.
The Bloomberg, Clinton and Yang candidacies, by contrast, all look clear lays.0 -
How much did you get on at 80s or so ?rkrkrk said:
Come on Emily!TheScreamingEagles said:BOOM
Emily Thornberry has declared she is entering the race to succeed Jeremy Corbyn, revealing she warned the Labour leadership that backing a Brexit election would be an “act of catastrophic political folly”.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/18/emily-thornberry-throws-her-hat-into-ring-for-labour-leadership
[poster failed to declare a financial interest in this outcome].
Managed to pick up £11 at 38.78 just now so she's actually my best realistic result now.0 -
No idea who laid Thornberry just then at 34s - Thanks very much for such a cheap top up on an obviously major figure anyway.0
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I think the row might help her amongst the Labour membership. Certainly the ardent momentum remainers - Flint knows why Labour lost the north but the membership doesn't care.TheScreamingEagles said:If Emily Thornberry wins the Labour leadership contest then I'm joining the Labour party.
Finally I will have a leader that shares my worldview on the Brexiteers/Working Class voters.0 -
Yes but once the Withdrawal Agreement is passed thanks to the Tory majoroty, Boris could probably extend the transition period with opposition votes if needed, though I doubt he willPulpstar said:The country made a bit of an error in not giving Johnson a large enough majority...
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Thornberry Ken Clarke to Starmer's Portillo and Long-Bailey's IDS?TheScreamingEagles said:BOOM
Emily Thornberry has declared she is entering the race to succeed Jeremy Corbyn, revealing she warned the Labour leadership that backing a Brexit election would be an “act of catastrophic political folly”.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/18/emily-thornberry-throws-her-hat-into-ring-for-labour-leadership0 -
I think she'll annoy the Corbynites by saying she warned against agreeing to Boris Johnson's election.Pulpstar said:
I think the row might help her amongst the Labour membership. Certainly the ardent momentum remainers - Flint knows why Labour lost the north but the membership doesn't care.TheScreamingEagles said:If Emily Thornberry wins the Labour leadership contest then I'm joining the Labour party.
Finally I will have a leader that shares my worldview on the Brexiteers/Working Class voters.0 -
Understood. Grandson 2 'studied' the Cold War for GCSE History. Found it difficult to understand my memory that it wasn't a straight choice matter for many. Wonder what will happen if he starts looking at such matters as Suez and the CND.kle4 said:
In fairness I have a slightly different perspective of what constitutes recent happenings than your fine selfOldKingCole said:
Home didn't, in the 70's.kle4 said:Here's a thought - May back in the Cabinet? I've often thought it a shame ex PMs usually bugger off now or take lower profiles, especially if they might be good ministers even if not good pms.
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Just a tenner unfortunately. Still hopefully it can help dig me out of a hole.Pulpstar said:
How much did you get on at 80s or so ?rkrkrk said:
Come on Emily!TheScreamingEagles said:BOOM
Emily Thornberry has declared she is entering the race to succeed Jeremy Corbyn, revealing she warned the Labour leadership that backing a Brexit election would be an “act of catastrophic political folly”.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/18/emily-thornberry-throws-her-hat-into-ring-for-labour-leadership
[poster failed to declare a financial interest in this outcome].
Managed to pick up £11 at 38.78 just now so she's actually my best realistic result now.
Also just read her pitch, rubbish compared to Starmer's. Reads like an I told you so note. I don't think she actually has much chance tbh.0 -
Spoilsport. Coming here with your actual knowledge. I was hoping for CauciiDura_Ace said:
Caucuses. It's a relatively recent addition to the English language and irregular plurals are now considered linguistically closed. See also strong verbs.TheScreamingEagles said:What’s the plural of caucus?
Is it caucusii?0 -
Lol do you really think the opposition is going to help Johnson out if he's in a tight spot ?HYUFD said:
Yes but once the Withdrawal Agreement is passed thanks to the Tory majoroty, Boris could probably extend the transition period with opposition votes if needed, though I doubt he willPulpstar said:The country made a bit of an error in not giving Johnson a large enough majority...
https://twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/1207189304784625664
The previous few years have shown that perceived party advantage was ALL that mattered to the opposition - particularly in opposing May's moderate deal.
I say perceived because it actually was losing them votes hand over fist in the labour leave heartlands.
They'd rather see the country reduced to ash than help Johnson out 0 -
Thornberry standing. Horray! Time to get the flags out!
To me, she epitomises what has gone wrong with the Labour Party. She'll be below RLB on my ballot - if she gets that far.3 -
'Reduced to ash' was a threat/prospect in the 50's, so that should suit the Leavers.Pulpstar said:
Lol do you really think the opposition is going to help Johnson out if he's in a tight spot ?HYUFD said:
Yes but once the Withdrawal Agreement is passed thanks to the Tory majoroty, Boris could probably extend the transition period with opposition votes if needed, though I doubt he willPulpstar said:The country made a bit of an error in not giving Johnson a large enough majority...
https://twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/1207189304784625664
The previous few years have shown that perceived party advantage was ALL that mattered to the opposition - particularly in opposing May's moderate deal.
I say perceived because it actually was losing them votes hand over fist in the labour leave heartlands.
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Regretfully agree about caucuses. Strong verbs are so interesting it would be great if there were a campaign to think up new ones.Dura_Ace said:
Caucuses. It's a relatively recent addition to the English language and irregular plurals are now considered linguistically closed. See also strong verbs.TheScreamingEagles said:What’s the plural of caucus?
Is it caucusii?
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The opposition will not vote for the Withdrawal Agreement no but it will pass now with the Tory majority, the opposition will vote to extend the transition period though as they voted to extend Article 50Pulpstar said:
Lol do you really think the opposition is going to help Johnson out if he's in a tight spot ?HYUFD said:
Yes but once the Withdrawal Agreement is passed thanks to the Tory majoroty, Boris could probably extend the transition period with opposition votes if needed, though I doubt he willPulpstar said:The country made a bit of an error in not giving Johnson a large enough majority...
https://twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/1207189304784625664
The previous few years have shown that perceived party advantage was ALL that mattered to the opposition - particularly in opposing May's moderate deal.
I say perceived because it actually was losing them votes hand over fist in the labour leave heartlands.
They'd rather see the country reduced to ash than help Johnson out0 -
In betting news, the BBC has just announced 'Bet365 boss Denise Coates has received a £323m payday, confirming her position as the UK's best paid executive.'0
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Ban this sick filth!Dura_Ace said:
Caucuses. It's a relatively recent addition to the English language and irregular plurals are now considered linguistically closed. See also strong verbs.TheScreamingEagles said:What’s the plural of caucus?
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HYUFD said:
Thornberry Ken Clarke to Starmer's Portillo and Long-Bailey's IDS?TheScreamingEagles said:BOOM
Emily Thornberry has declared she is entering the race to succeed Jeremy Corbyn, revealing she warned the Labour leadership that backing a Brexit election would be an “act of catastrophic political folly”.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/18/emily-thornberry-throws-her-hat-into-ring-for-labour-leadership
Any comparison between Ken Clarke and the enemy of white van man is doomed to failure.
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First against the wall?OldKingCole said:In betting news, the BBC has just announced 'Bet365 boss Denise Coates has received a £323m payday, confirming her position as the UK's best paid executive.'
(As Greta might say)0 -
has the site been hacked? I get a bitcoin giveaway scam advert in place of the old PB header?0
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I'll speak to Robert.megalomaniacs4u said:has the site been hacked? I get a bitcoin giveaway scam advert in place of the old PB header?
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Let's hope so. We don't want all those Daily Mail reading gammons coming back here.HYUFD said:0 -
Who will the first rebel on Europe be ?
I reckon Craig McKinley when we sell Gibraltar off to Spain.0 -
Great idea. Generosity of spirit. Maybe entitle them to a generic European passport, too.HYUFD said:3 -
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Can Peter Jones even believe how much his investment has gone up by ?megalomaniacs4u said:has the site been hacked? I get a bitcoin giveaway scam advert in place of the old PB header?
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Thornberry must know she has no chance. Can only think she is trying to keep a top job in the next Shadow Cabinet.0
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Oops wrong thread. What I meant to say was:
The ERG are fanatics and they are not Conservatives either. They definitely got Brexit but not the one, if we are to believe their support for the Conservative Party, that they wanted. They got it at the expense of the sanctity of the Union, which they have placed in peril.
Great, I hear you and maybe others say, but then again you and others aren't and weren't representatives of the Conservative and Unionist Party.
So they vanquished the windmill but lost a whole lot more, on their own terms.0 -
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And how is her suing a former colleague going to help her chances?Artist said:Thornberry must know she has no chance. Can only think she is trying to keep a top job in the next Shadow Cabinet.
Why would you want to be part of this shitshow in any case? She hardly distinguished herself as Shadow FS.2 -
So it is now priced in that Bozo is lying.CarlottaVance said:0 -
I know it's not exactly news, but Richard Burgon is getting destroyed on the Daily Politics.1
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Ken Clarke made a career out of offending natural Conservative supporters in the professions as he moved round Whitehall. Imo he was a leading cause of Labour regaining office under Blair.algarkirk said:HYUFD said:
Thornberry Ken Clarke to Starmer's Portillo and Long-Bailey's IDS?TheScreamingEagles said:BOOM
Emily Thornberry has declared she is entering the race to succeed Jeremy Corbyn, revealing she warned the Labour leadership that backing a Brexit election would be an “act of catastrophic political folly”.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/18/emily-thornberry-throws-her-hat-into-ring-for-labour-leadership
Any comparison between Ken Clarke and the enemy of white van man is doomed to failure.0 -
Not suing could be seen as admitting it was true. It was her suing that made me think she was planning to run actually.Cyclefree said:
And how is her suing a former colleague going to help her chances?Artist said:Thornberry must know she has no chance. Can only think she is trying to keep a top job in the next Shadow Cabinet.
Why would you want to be part of this shitshow in any case? She hardly distinguished herself as Shadow FS.0 -
In anticipation that he becomes Shadow Chancellor, can I be the first PBer to say Burgonomics.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:I know it's not exactly news, but Richard Burgon is getting destroyed on the Daily Politics.
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Toppled by who? Even if we accept the Falklands has some totemic value to older Conservatives, why should a party now so careless about breaking up the United Kingdom go to the wall to retain Gibraltar?HYUFD said:
Boris would be toppled as Tory leader in 5 minutes if he even contemplated thatPulpstar said:Who will the first rebel on Europe be ?
I reckon Craig McKinley when we sell Gibraltar off to Spain.0 -
Yep good point. Those most noble of Unionists the ERG have just presided over, nay provoked the opening of a pathway to a united Ireland. They aren't going to rise up about tiddly old Gibraltar which, frankly, sounds like a hotbed of foreigners in any case.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Toppled by who? Even if we accept the Falklands has some totemic value to older Conservatives, why should a party now so careless about breaking up the United Kingdom go to the wall to retain Gibraltar?HYUFD said:
Boris would be toppled as Tory leader in 5 minutes if he even contemplated thatPulpstar said:Who will the first rebel on Europe be ?
I reckon Craig McKinley when we sell Gibraltar off to Spain.0 -
I've got a bet on Emily from circa 2 years ago... Lord knows with which bookie and probably won't need to find out either!!0
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Actually it's not Latin https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/caucusalgarkirk said:
Regretfully agree about caucuses. Strong verbs are so interesting it would be great if there were a campaign to think up new ones.Dura_Ace said:
Caucuses. It's a relatively recent addition to the English language and irregular plurals are now considered linguistically closed. See also strong verbs.TheScreamingEagles said:What’s the plural of caucus?
Is it caucusii?
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The Deal will simply exclude (not apply) to Gibraltar.Pulpstar said:Who will the first rebel on Europe be ?
I reckon Craig McKinley when we sell Gibraltar off to Spain.
Fabian Picardo has been crystal clear he’d prefer No Deal to any form of sovereignty compromise with Spain.1 -
Very pleased he has said that.HYUFD said:1 -
Uncharacteristically nasty for you - and so stereotyped! Must be a Labour supporter.SandyRentool said:
Let's hope so. We don't want all those Daily Mail reading gammons coming back here.HYUFD said:0 -
She would be an absolute disaster. Can do well in the Commons, but as Labour leader she will repel exactly the sort of voters they need to tempt back.SandyRentool said:Thornberry standing. Horray! Time to get the flags out!
To me, she epitomises what has gone wrong with the Labour Party. She'll be below RLB on my ballot - if she gets that far.0 -
Looking through constituency results I'm actually coming to the conclusion that Brexit was a bigger issue than Corbyn.
Rotherham, 14376 Labour votes. Even with a sub Foot leader that's scarcely believable.0 -
I doubt many expected that given the noises from the Spanish government. However, options could still be difficult for the poorer ones should the reciprocal healthcare arrangements go. Unlikely but still possible.isam said:0 -
Caucasian. Which neatly describes the Iowa electorate.TheScreamingEagles said:What’s the plural of caucus?
Is it caucusii?0 -
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In a negotiation it is normal, indeed required, to lie.SandyRentool said:
So it is now priced in that Bozo is lying.CarlottaVance said:
Union : our members won't accept less than 5%. Cost of living, you made lots of profit last year, etc
Employer:we can't go above 3%. Trading conditions not good etc
So when they agree on 4% do we berate both sides for lying? I think not.
Boris has simply made an opening gambit that he wants out by 31 Dec. That can be changed in if necessary (simply by passing another act of Parliament).
It simply is not possible to conduct a negotiation without lying.1 -
I'm green on the Democratic front runners but red on Hillary. Very red on Trump. Starting to worry.AlastairMeeks said:In stark contrast to my next Labour leader market, my Democratic nomination bets are an unhappy affair.
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Under the Geneva convention they couldn’t send us home but they could make lives more difficult. I’ll have my EU citizenship thank you very much if offered.felix said:
I doubt many expected that given the noises from the Spanish government. However, options could still be difficult for the poorer ones should the reciprocal healthcare arrangements go. Unlikely but still possible.isam said:1 -
The Tories made clear in their manifesto they would ban indyref2 in Scotland so of course no compromise with Spain over Gibraltar.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Toppled by who? Even if we accept the Falklands has some totemic value to older Conservatives, why should a party now so careless about breaking up the United Kingdom go to the wall to retain Gibraltar?HYUFD said:
Boris would be toppled as Tory leader in 5 minutes if he even contemplated thatPulpstar said:Who will the first rebel on Europe be ?
I reckon Craig McKinley when we sell Gibraltar off to Spain.
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I agree but for me RLB will still be last. Johnson will be very confident of winning in 2024 with either of them there for different reasons. So it comes down to whether you want the cult to consolidate its grip in the meantime, or not.SandyRentool said:Thornberry standing. Horray! Time to get the flags out!
To me, she epitomises what has gone wrong with the Labour Party. She'll be below RLB on my ballot - if she gets that far.0 -
RLB would be Labour's IDS, no hugely negative reaction but no positive reaction either, in fact some would probably fail to even recognise she was Labour leaderWulfrun_Phil said:
I agree but for me RLB will still be last. Johnson will be very confident of winning in 2024 with either of them there for different reasons. So it comes down to whether you want the cult to consolidate its grip in the meantime, or not.SandyRentool said:Thornberry standing. Horray! Time to get the flags out!
To me, she epitomises what has gone wrong with the Labour Party. She'll be below RLB on my ballot - if she gets that far.0
