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edited December 2019 in General

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The age at which a person becomes more likely to vote Conservative than Labour is 39 – down from 47 at the last electionhttps://t.co/hC7KufOxBl pic.twitter.com/UFter2WicP

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  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited December 2019
    First like, erm, dunno, Ben Stokes?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,384
    Anorak said:

    .w

    Most sensible thing you've ever posted. :D
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    Stubborn stain, this one.
    https://twitter.com/Dannythefink/status/1206947052753735682
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,708
    Anorak said:

    Stubborn stain, this one.
    twitter.com/Dannythefink/status/1206947052753735682

    It was the Illuminati.....
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Wonder if some smartarse going forwards will try to become the new Dennis Skinner with silly remarks whenever Black Rod enters the chamber?
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Anorak said:

    .w

    Most sensible thing you've ever posted. :D
    Good job you've never employed nefarious, underhand schemes to bag a first :blush:
  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201
    Philip_Thompson said:

    Wonder if some smartarse going forwards will try to become the new Dennis Skinner with silly remarks whenever Black Rod enters the chamber?

    Lloyd Russell-Moyle is who my money would be on.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,269
    Re Trudi Harrison becoming Boris’s PPS: blimey! She’s Copeland’s MP. Where my daughter and husband live. Not often I say this: but good for Boris.

    I’ve met her a few times - she’s very nice - and from what I know she’s a good MP. Husband worked with her on a save Millom’s swimming pool campaign.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Anorak said:

    Stubborn stain, this one.
    twitter.com/Dannythefink/status/1206947052753735682

    It was the Illuminati.....
    I'm sure someone's digging around for all those people who stridently asserted there wasn't an antisemitic bone in his body. Corbyn was one, but who cares about that now.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,708
    edited December 2019
    ralphmalph said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Wonder if some smartarse going forwards will try to become the new Dennis Skinner with silly remarks whenever Black Rod enters the chamber?

    Lloyd Russell-Moyle is who my money would be on.
    Didn't he once grab the mace? And the same tw@t who went full fight them in the streets crap.
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    https://twitter.com/SamWhiteTky/status/1206738225319952384?s=20
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,824
    ralphmalph said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Wonder if some smartarse going forwards will try to become the new Dennis Skinner with silly remarks whenever Black Rod enters the chamber?

    Lloyd Russell-Moyle is who my money would be on.
    "Bolsover nursing home. Open for business."
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,725
    edited December 2019
    It's depressing to think how much more than me this bloke gets paid:
    https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1206644159504891907

    Maybe I should start Morris Dancer News: Politics with Bells on.

    Edited extra bit: it's worth reading the thread just for the number of clarifications.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    ralphmalph said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Wonder if some smartarse going forwards will try to become the new Dennis Skinner with silly remarks whenever Black Rod enters the chamber?

    Lloyd Russell-Moyle is who my money would be on.
    Didn't he once grab the mace? And the same tw@t who went full fight them in the streets crap.
    Yup. Pocket revolutionary. And tw@t, as you correctly note.
  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    ralphmalph said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Wonder if some smartarse going forwards will try to become the new Dennis Skinner with silly remarks whenever Black Rod enters the chamber?

    Lloyd Russell-Moyle is who my money would be on.
    Didn't he once grab the mace? And the same tw@t who went full fight them in the streets crap.
    Yep, that is him.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,384
    Anorak said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Anorak said:

    .w

    Most sensible thing you've ever posted. :D
    Good job you've never employed nefarious, underhand schemes to bag a first :blush:
    Absolute fake news.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,708
    edited December 2019
    Morris_Dancer said:

    It's depressing to think how much more than me this bloke gets paid:
    twitter.com/Peston/status/1206644159504891907

    Maybe I should start Morris Dancer News: Politics with Bells on.

    Edited extra bit: it's worth reading the thread just for the number of clarifications.

    I love the correction of a correction of a correction....

    ITV coverage was really good on GE night, except him. He was useless. No insight, wrong on talking about what the polling had said etc.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,852
    Byronic said:

    https://twitter.com/SamWhiteTky/status/1206738225319952384?s=20

    They don't seem to gave got rid of the shit mind you..
  • alteregoalterego Posts: 1,100
    Anorak said:

    Stubborn stain, this one.
    https://twitter.com/Dannythefink/status/1206947052753735682

    I don't understand how anyone could watch this and not feel disgusted. I'm not Jewish so cannot begin to fully understand its impact on them
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,708
    We of course also had Red Ken reappearing doing his I have never seen an anti-semitism in the Labour Party / Hitler, Hitler, Hitler routine. According to him he only got kicked out of the Labour Party, because John Mann falsely accused him of being a racist.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,384
    Proper historians are always right.

    https://twitter.com/HuffPostPol/status/1206950443999518724
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Morris_Dancer said:

    It's depressing to think how much more than me this bloke gets paid:
    https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1206644159504891907

    Maybe I should start Morris Dancer News: Politics with Bells on.

    Edited extra bit: it's worth reading the thread just for the number of clarifications.

    LMAO!
    https://twitter.com/Andrew_Adonis/status/1206645245590544386
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,708
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Proper historians are always right.

    twitter.com/HuffPostPol/status/1206950443999518724

    But what do poets think?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,384
    Burn, no in fact I'd like to call 999 and report a murder.

    https://twitter.com/Daniel_Sugarman/status/1206704214828879872
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,384
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Proper historians are always right.

    twitter.com/HuffPostPol/status/1206950443999518724

    But what do poets think?
    I tried to be a poet, I could never past writing stuff like

    'There was a beautiful young woman from Venus,
    Who had a body shaped like a .....'
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Proper historians are always right.

    twitter.com/HuffPostPol/status/1206950443999518724

    But what do poets think?
    I tried to be a poet, I could never past writing stuff like

    'There was a beautiful young woman from Venus,
    Who had a body shaped like a .....'
    Genius!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,384
    Philip_Thompson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Proper historians are always right.

    twitter.com/HuffPostPol/status/1206950443999518724

    But what do poets think?
    I tried to be a poet, I could never past writing stuff like

    'There was a beautiful young woman from Venus,
    Who had a body shaped like a .....'
    Genius!
    Or

    'There was a young woman from Ealing,
    Who had a peculiar feeling,
    So she laid on her back,
    Opened her crack,
    And pissed all over the ceiling'
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Anorak said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Anorak said:

    .w

    Most sensible thing you've ever posted. :D
    Good job you've never employed nefarious, underhand schemes to bag a first :blush:
    Absolute fake news.
    Got something of an orange glow about you today, TSE.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    If we're doing poetry, I have a seasonal offering:

    I am the Christmas fairy
    My tights all torn and tattered
    I've been up all night with Action man
    And I'm absolutely shattered
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,384
    Anorak said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Anorak said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Anorak said:

    .w

    Most sensible thing you've ever posted. :D
    Good job you've never employed nefarious, underhand schemes to bag a first :blush:
    Absolute fake news.
    Got something of an orange glow about you today, TSE.
    This man goes to the Doctors and tells the Doc

    'Doc, my penis has turned orange'

    The Doc has a look and says

    'Blimey, you're right, do you handle dangerous chemicals in your job?'

    The man replies

    'Nope, I'm unemployed'

    The Doc says

    'So what do you do all day?'

    The man replies

    'I sit at home eating Wotsits and watching pornos'
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,384
    Right it is the lagershed somewhere?
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    A strange young fellow from Leeds
    Rashly swallowed a package of seeds
    Great tufts of fine grass
    Sprouted out of his ass*
    And his balls were covered with weeds.

    * or arse if you pronounce grass like a soft southerner.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,708
    edited December 2019
    Corbyn really is graceless.
  • NorthernPowerhouseNorthernPowerhouse Posts: 557
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Corbyn really is graceless.

    Awful, utterly awful.
  • TrèsDifficileTrèsDifficile Posts: 1,729
    Theuniondivvie said:


    The creatures outside looked from Brit Nat to English Nat and from English Nat to Brit Nat, and from Brit Nat to English Nat again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.

    Not like the kenspeckle Scotch Nats, eh?

    Did you know there's a Scotch Wiki? I like this page..

    https://sco.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitit_Kinrick

    The red link to "Acts o Union o Ingland an Scotland" says "page disna exeest"
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,034
    Doing a quick mental calculation - are white men underrepresented amongst the ranks of Labour MPs now ?
  • RobinWiggsRobinWiggs Posts: 621
    NorthernPowerhouse said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Corbyn really is graceless.

    Awful, utterly awful.
    It's hard to comprehend how he didn't win the election.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,852
    Anorak said:

    A strange young fellow from Leeds
    Rashly swallowed a package of seeds
    Great tufts of fine grass
    Sprouted out of his ass*
    And his balls were covered with weeds.

    * or arse if you pronounce grass like a soft southerner.

    I believe that's in The Moon's a Balloon, though not originally coined by David Niven I'm sure.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,942
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Corbyn really is graceless.

    His time has come and gone. Thank goodness, even if we have a different problem now.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    FPT
    Theuniondivvie said:

    CarlottaVance said:


    Despite having had a "once in a generation" referendum they are on their fourth "new mandate" for another one....

    Philip_Thompson said:


    Sturgeon tied the SNP's future to Jeremy Corbyn. He lost, so they lost. The Tories have no reason to grant a new referendum.

    The creatures outside looked from Brit Nat to English Nat and from English Nat to Brit Nat, and from Brit Nat to English Nat again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
    As you know I want you to get a referendum and win it. I'm not saying its right or wrong, I'm speculating on what will happen rather than what I want to happen.

    If you get a chance to have another referendum in the future make sure you seize the power to "take back control" as the UK did in its referendum.
  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    edited December 2019
    FPT there was some head-scratching about the YouGov age bands so since they're relevant, here's a reprise of my calculations.

    I appreciate that the age bands there were chosen to represent different life-stages e.g. 18-24 is "students and young people" though the reality is the majority of them are young workers and students the minority, 65+ is "retired" but in reality some of them will be working part-time and there will be plenty of retired people in the 50-64 class and so on.

    Broad-brush they're still useful categories but the charts can be misleading as eg 18-24 is only a very small sliver of the voting population!

    Taking them as proportions of all adults 18+ (I don't know if data is available on UK citizens / eligible voters only) we get

    18-24 = 11%
    25-49 = 42%
    50-64 = 24%
    65+ = 23%

    I had to do some interpolation but these should be accurate to the nearest percent or so.

    A really good rule of thumb is a "rectangular" age distribution that becomes "triangular" once you get past 60 - any 5-year age band of the UK 18+ population represents around 8% of the 18+ population until you start including people aged 60+, at which point you start knocking 1% off, and then you subtract a further 1% for each 5-year band you go up. So for example, by the 80-84 year old band you have subtracted 1% at ages 60, 65, 70, 75 and 80 so in total have knocked off 5% and the age-band contains only 8% - 5% = 3%.

    For a bit more accuracy, to account for fluctuations in birth rates etc over time, you need to slightly ramp up any 5-year band aged between mid-40s and mid-50s ramp to 9%. And today's teenagers went through a temporary population dip so when that cohort gets into adulthood their 5-year age-bands will be 7% rather than 8%.

    Data source: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationestimates/datasets/populationestimatesforukenglandandwalesscotlandandnorthernireland

    Incidentally, if YouGov was going to split all 18+ voters into four equally sized age categories, they should really be:

    18-31
    32-46
    47-61
    62+

    This would make it much easier to see if a Lab lead in one age group was cancelled out by a Con lead in another!

    If the age groups were collapsed to slightly tidier numbers, then

    18-34
    35-49
    50-64
    65+

    Wouldn't be a bad shout - too many people in the lower age groups, too few in the higher age group, but once you weight these by the turnout in each group then I suspect (I should check the figures really) the number of actual votes would be rather closer to equal between groups.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    TrèsDifficile said:

    Theuniondivvie said:


    The creatures outside looked from Brit Nat to English Nat and from English Nat to Brit Nat, and from Brit Nat to English Nat again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.

    Not like the kenspeckle Scotch Nats, eh?

    Did you know there's a Scotch Wiki? I like this page..

    https://sco.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitit_Kinrick

    The red link to "Acts o Union o Ingland an Scotland" says "page disna exeest"
    My mum, who has failing eyesight, bought my lad an Asterix book while she was on holiday in Fife. Turned out to be written in scots dialect. As my kids speak posh London, this was absolutely impenetrable.

    I did like 'Unhygenix' the fishmonger being renamed as 'Minginhaddix', though.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Theuniondivvie said:

    CarlottaVance said:


    Despite having had a "once in a generation" referendum they are on their fourth "new mandate" for another one....

    Philip_Thompson said:


    Sturgeon tied the SNP's future to Jeremy Corbyn. He lost, so they lost. The Tories have no reason to grant a new referendum.

    The creatures outside looked from Brit Nat to English Nat and from English Nat to Brit Nat, and from Brit Nat to English Nat again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
    Civic Nationalism Donchajusluvit!
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,852
    edited December 2019
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Anorak said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Anorak said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Anorak said:

    .w

    Most sensible thing you've ever posted. :D
    Good job you've never employed nefarious, underhand schemes to bag a first :blush:
    Absolute fake news.
    Got something of an orange glow about you today, TSE.
    This man goes to the Doctors and tells the Doc

    'Doc, my penis has turned orange'

    The Doc has a look and says

    'Blimey, you're right, do you handle dangerous chemicals in your job?'

    The man replies

    'Nope, I'm unemployed'

    The Doc says

    'So what do you do all day?'

    The man replies

    'I sit at home eating Wotsits and watching pornos'
    A good one if you're in company that's not heard it before (someone always falls for it because though unlikely it's not utterly impossible):

    Have you heard, William Shatner is getting married to Stevie Nicks?

    Nah, really?! When did you hear this?

    Just now. Stevie henceforth wishes to be known as Mrs Stevie Shatner-Nicks.

  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    There was a young man called Hollis,
    Who sought lizards and snakes for solace,
    His children had scales,
    and prehensile tails,
    and voted for Governor Wallace.
  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    Anorak said:

    TrèsDifficile said:

    Theuniondivvie said:


    The creatures outside looked from Brit Nat to English Nat and from English Nat to Brit Nat, and from Brit Nat to English Nat again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.

    Not like the kenspeckle Scotch Nats, eh?

    Did you know there's a Scotch Wiki? I like this page..

    https://sco.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitit_Kinrick

    The red link to "Acts o Union o Ingland an Scotland" says "page disna exeest"
    My mum, who has failing eyesight, bought my lad an Asterix book while she was on holiday in Fife. Turned out to be written in scots dialect. As my kids speak posh London, this was absolutely impenetrable.

    I did like 'Unhygenix' the fishmonger being renamed as 'Minginhaddix', though.
    Fun fact: according to Jenny Wormald, the Port of London used to hire translators between Scots and (London) English. In 1617 interpreters were deemed no longer necessary since at this point Scots and English were "not so far different bot ane understandeth ane uther".
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited December 2019
    And this one is clearly a sign for me to get into that waiting taxi.

    There was a young man from Brighton,
    Who thought he’d at last found a tight ‘un.
    He said, “Oh my love,
    It fits like a glove.”
    Said she, “But you’re not in the right ‘un.”
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,988
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Proper historians are always right.

    twitter.com/HuffPostPol/status/1206950443999518724

    But what do poets think?
    Still struggling to think of a rhyme for Impeachment.
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    It's depressing to think how much more than me this bloke gets paid:
    twitter.com/Peston/status/1206644159504891907

    Maybe I should start Morris Dancer News: Politics with Bells on.

    Edited extra bit: it's worth reading the thread just for the number of clarifications.

    I love the correction of a correction of a correction....

    ITV coverage was really good on GE night, except him. He was useless. No insight, wrong on talking about what the polling had said etc.
    Did we ever decide if they were much faster updating their seat count because they were actually faster, or jumping the gun with some results? I was betting first to 50 seats on the night with BBC for settlement. On ITV labour reached 50 first with Cons on 45. Only several minutes later did BBC get to 50. And they had Cons first with Labour on 48.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,708
    paulyork64 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    It's depressing to think how much more than me this bloke gets paid:
    twitter.com/Peston/status/1206644159504891907

    Maybe I should start Morris Dancer News: Politics with Bells on.

    Edited extra bit: it's worth reading the thread just for the number of clarifications.

    I love the correction of a correction of a correction....

    ITV coverage was really good on GE night, except him. He was useless. No insight, wrong on talking about what the polling had said etc.
    Did we ever decide if they were much faster updating their seat count because they were actually faster, or jumping the gun with some results? I was betting first to 50 seats on the night with BBC for settlement. On ITV labour reached 50 first with Cons on 45. Only several minutes later did BBC get to 50. And they had Cons first with Labour on 48.
    I think they were calling some before the official announcements.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    paulyork64 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    It's depressing to think how much more than me this bloke gets paid:
    twitter.com/Peston/status/1206644159504891907

    Maybe I should start Morris Dancer News: Politics with Bells on.

    Edited extra bit: it's worth reading the thread just for the number of clarifications.

    I love the correction of a correction of a correction....

    ITV coverage was really good on GE night, except him. He was useless. No insight, wrong on talking about what the polling had said etc.
    Did we ever decide if they were much faster updating their seat count because they were actually faster, or jumping the gun with some results? I was betting first to 50 seats on the night with BBC for settlement. On ITV labour reached 50 first with Cons on 45. Only several minutes later did BBC get to 50. And they had Cons first with Labour on 48.
    Sounds like Shadsy was messing with their feed.
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    It's a bit unfortunate for Chris Williamson's cause that he LOOKS so much like the classically sinister anti-Semite.
  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    edited December 2019
    SandyRentool said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Proper historians are always right.

    twitter.com/HuffPostPol/status/1206950443999518724

    But what do poets think?
    Still struggling to think of a rhyme for Impeachment.
    Not a fan of Gerschwin?

    Enough! Enough! We want no preachment!
    It's time to vote on his impeachment!

    Aside from that, "beseechment"?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,708
    Byronic said:

    It's a bit unfortunate for Chris Williamson's cause that he LOOKS so much like the classically sinister anti-Semite.

    That's just what the Illuminati wants you to think...
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,686
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Anorak said:

    A strange young fellow from Leeds
    Rashly swallowed a package of seeds
    Great tufts of fine grass
    Sprouted out of his ass*
    And his balls were covered with weeds.

    * or arse if you pronounce grass like a soft southerner.

    I believe that's in The Moon's a Balloon, though not originally coined by David Niven I'm sure.

    Two others I know from schooldays

    There was a young man from Devizes
    who had balls of two different sizes
    One was so small it was nothing at all
    the other so big it won prizes

    and

    There was a young man from Madras
    Whose balls were made of brass
    In stormy weather , they clanged together
    and sparks came out of his arse.
  • TrèsDifficileTrèsDifficile Posts: 1,729
    SandyRentool said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Proper historians are always right.

    twitter.com/HuffPostPol/status/1206950443999518724

    But what do poets think?
    Still struggling to think of a rhyme for Impeachment.
    Mistreatment is pretty close
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,988
    I wasn't actually trying to find a rhyme for impeachment. I was attempting to suggest that we had not yet heard the views of the poetic community as they were still trying to compose a verse.
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    One male member of the Shadow Cabinet is wearing red socks, a sign of poshness.

    I can't work out who it is. Does Labour have any male poshos at the top?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Quiet here today. Is there a PMQs tomorrow?
  • alteregoalterego Posts: 1,100
    I just popped in and I'm popping out again.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,893
    @Philip_Thompson FPT. The Labour benches are so empty because, having won the argument, the Labour MPs thought there was no need for them to turn up and thought it would be nice to send some Conservatives instead... :)
  • Animal_pbAnimal_pb Posts: 608
    MyBurningEars said:

    Anorak said:

    TrèsDifficile said:

    Theuniondivvie said:


    The creatures outside looked from Brit Nat to English Nat and from English Nat to Brit Nat, and from Brit Nat to English Nat again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.

    Not like the kenspeckle Scotch Nats, eh?

    Did you know there's a Scotch Wiki? I like this page..

    https://sco.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitit_Kinrick

    The red link to "Acts o Union o Ingland an Scotland" says "page disna exeest"
    My mum, who has failing eyesight, bought my lad an Asterix book while she was on holiday in Fife. Turned out to be written in scots dialect. As my kids speak posh London, this was absolutely impenetrable.

    I did like 'Unhygenix' the fishmonger being renamed as 'Minginhaddix', though.
    Fun fact: according to Jenny Wormald, the Port of London used to hire translators between Scots and (London) English. In 1617 interpreters were deemed no longer necessary since at this point Scots and English were "not so far different bot ane understandeth ane uther".
    My Gran, who had a soft, Lowlands accent, used to recite to my sister the "there was a little girl, who had a little curl" rhyme, many years ago.

    It makes absolutely no fucking sense in that accent.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,725
    Mr. Ego, hello and goodbye.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,893
    Thank you to the previous thread posters who described value betting. I will write your insights up into a thread header and credit you. It deserves a wider viewership.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,426
    viewcode said:

    @Philip_Thompson FPT. The Labour benches are so empty because, having won the argument, the Labour MPs thought there was no need for them to turn up and thought it would be nice to send some Conservatives instead... :)

    Life is going to be much more pleasant if you are a lardy-arsed Opposition member....
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    MarqueeMark said:

    viewcode said:

    @Philip_Thompson FPT. The Labour benches are so empty because, having won the argument, the Labour MPs thought there was no need for them to turn up and thought it would be nice to send some Conservatives instead... :)

    Life is going to be much more pleasant if you are a lardy-arsed Opposition member....
    The Labour benches look like they are at a funeral.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,226
    Byronic said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    viewcode said:

    @Philip_Thompson FPT. The Labour benches are so empty because, having won the argument, the Labour MPs thought there was no need for them to turn up and thought it would be nice to send some Conservatives instead... :)

    Life is going to be much more pleasant if you are a lardy-arsed Opposition member....
    The Labour benches look like they are at a funeral.
    They tried to be woke, now they're at a wake.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,034
    Anyone seen the latest Trump General polling numbers :o ?!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,384
    Pulpstar said:

    Anyone seen the latest Trump General polling numbers :o ?!

    No.

    Share.
  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    SandyRentool said:

    I wasn't actually trying to find a rhyme for impeachment. I was attempting to suggest that we had not yet heard the views of the poetic community as they were still trying to compose a verse.

    I know, I just couldn't resist :smile:
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    Pulpstar said:

    Anyone seen the latest Trump General polling numbers :o ?!

    Yes, incredible. He's going to win again. How have the Democrats managed this against the worst president EVAH?

    It seems like this is a theme across the West....
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Proper historians are always right.

    twitter.com/HuffPostPol/status/1206950443999518724

    But what do poets think?
    In the streets the children screamed.
    The lovers cried, and the poets dreamed.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,034
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Anyone seen the latest Trump General polling numbers :o ?!

    No.

    Share.
    General Election: Trump vs. Biden
    USA Today/Suffolk
    Biden 41, Trump 44
    Trump +3
    General Election: Trump vs. Sanders
    USA Today/Suffolk
    Sanders 39, Trump 44
    Trump +5
    General Election: Trump vs. Warren
    USA Today/Suffolk
    Warren 37, Trump 45
    Trump +8
    General Election: Trump vs. Buttigieg
    USA Today/Suffolk
    Buttigieg 33, Trump 43
    Trump +10
    General Election: Trump vs. Bloomberg
    USA Today/Suffolk
    Bloomberg 34, Trump 43
    Trump +9

    General Election: Trump vs. Biden
    IBD/TIPP
    Biden 50, Trump 45
    Biden +5
    General Election: Trump vs. Sanders
    IBD/TIPP
    Sanders 47, Trump 48
    Trump +1
    General Election: Trump vs. Warren
    IBD/TIPP
    Warren 45, Trump 49
    Trump +4
    General Election: Trump vs. Buttigieg
    IBD/TIPP
    Buttigieg 44, Trump 46
    Trump +2
    General Election: Trump vs. Bloomberg
    IBD/TIPP
    Bloomberg 46, Trump 47
    Trump +1
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,725
    It's lucky Labour won the argument. Think how badly they would've done if they'd lost it.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Interesting watching MPs swearing in - the first to affirm was Corbyn....most Labour Front Benchers have been swearing - many going for the St James over the New Testament....
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,287
    Philip_Thompson said:

    Quiet here today. Is there a PMQs tomorrow?

    No.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,942
    I see the UK has retained its crown as the world's gayest parliament
    https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/12/13/uk-gay-parliament-world-2019-general-election-snp-conservatives-labour-lgbt/
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,824
    edited December 2019
    Pulpstar said:

    Doing a quick mental calculation - are white men underrepresented amongst the ranks of Labour MPs now ?

    One that sticks out like a sticky-out thing is the overrepresenation of LBGTXYZ. In the last Parliament it was by several hundred %.

    Also the claims of underrepresentation for disabled ("1%") are likely t be about 98% baloney. Last time the list did not even include Theresa May - an openly disabled (whatever that means) Type 1 Diabetic.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Philip_Thompson said:

    Quiet here today. Is there a PMQs tomorrow?

    They'll be continuing the swearing in of MPs tomorrow.

    Queen's speech Thursday
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,482
    MarqueeMark said:

    viewcode said:

    @Philip_Thompson FPT. The Labour benches are so empty because, having won the argument, the Labour MPs thought there was no need for them to turn up and thought it would be nice to send some Conservatives instead... :)

    Life is going to be much more pleasant if you are a lardy-arsed Opposition member....
    There are going to be an awful lot of unpaired Government MPs.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,988
    MyBurningEars said:

    SandyRentool said:

    I wasn't actually trying to find a rhyme for impeachment. I was attempting to suggest that we had not yet heard the views of the poetic community as they were still trying to compose a verse.

    I know, I just couldn't resist :smile:
    You got me!
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,988
    Morris_Dancer said:

    It's lucky Labour won the argument. Think how badly they would've done if they'd lost it.

    Of course we've won the argument. 50,000 nurses, 20,000 rozzers, 40 hospitals,, 5,000 GPs. Money being spaffed left, right and centre on infrastructure projects. Not the policies of the Tory right.

    In all seriousness, the centre ground of politics has shifted leftwards. If that turns out to be Jezza's legacy, then he ain't done so badly after all.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,708
    kle4 said:

    I see the UK has retained its crown as the world's gayest parliament
    https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/12/13/uk-gay-parliament-world-2019-general-election-snp-conservatives-labour-lgbt/

    But I thought in leave-istan it was all full of racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic little Englanders...like the ones in Wakefield who elected....erhhh a gay Asian Tory....and I bet the Tory bit was the hardest hurdle to overcome when they voted for him.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Pulpstar said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Anyone seen the latest Trump General polling numbers :o ?!

    No.

    Share.
    General Election: Trump vs. Biden
    USA Today/Suffolk
    Biden 41, Trump 44
    Trump +3
    General Election: Trump vs. Sanders
    USA Today/Suffolk
    Sanders 39, Trump 44
    Trump +5
    General Election: Trump vs. Warren
    USA Today/Suffolk
    Warren 37, Trump 45
    Trump +8
    General Election: Trump vs. Buttigieg
    USA Today/Suffolk
    Buttigieg 33, Trump 43
    Trump +10
    General Election: Trump vs. Bloomberg
    USA Today/Suffolk
    Bloomberg 34, Trump 43
    Trump +9
    Who are the other 25% voting for on those polls?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Yeah.....that'll work....

    https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1206971916445274112?s=20
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,988
    CarlottaVance said:

    Interesting watching MPs swearing in - the first to affirm was Corbyn....most Labour Front Benchers have been swearing - many going for the St James over the New Testament....

    Did Jezza place his hand on a copy of Marx's "On the Jewish Question"?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,708
    CarlottaVance said:

    Yeah.....that'll work....

    twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1206971916445274112?s=20

    Learning them lessons from 4 defeats in a row....
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,384
    Pulpstar said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Anyone seen the latest Trump General polling numbers :o ?!

    No.

    Share.
    General Election: Trump vs. Biden
    USA Today/Suffolk
    Biden 41, Trump 44
    Trump +3
    General Election: Trump vs. Sanders
    USA Today/Suffolk
    Sanders 39, Trump 44
    Trump +5
    General Election: Trump vs. Warren
    USA Today/Suffolk
    Warren 37, Trump 45
    Trump +8
    General Election: Trump vs. Buttigieg
    USA Today/Suffolk
    Buttigieg 33, Trump 43
    Trump +10
    General Election: Trump vs. Bloomberg
    USA Today/Suffolk
    Bloomberg 34, Trump 43
    Trump +9

    General Election: Trump vs. Biden
    IBD/TIPP
    Biden 50, Trump 45
    Biden +5
    General Election: Trump vs. Sanders
    IBD/TIPP
    Sanders 47, Trump 48
    Trump +1
    General Election: Trump vs. Warren
    IBD/TIPP
    Warren 45, Trump 49
    Trump +4
    General Election: Trump vs. Buttigieg
    IBD/TIPP
    Buttigieg 44, Trump 46
    Trump +2
    General Election: Trump vs. Bloomberg
    IBD/TIPP
    Bloomberg 46, Trump 47
    Trump +1
    Thanks.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    So what's changed in the last 5 days (apart from pollster) where Trump was polling 7 and 8 points behinds Sanders and Warren?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,708
    CarlottaVance said:

    Yeah.....that'll work....

    https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1206971916445274112?s=20

    Just as Camping’s followers, and the Seekers, and the Jehovah’s Witnesses, and so many other groups, continued long after the prophecies they made were disproved, so the Corbynite Left will continue, without admitting that the election loss was, in very large part, Jeremy Corbyn’s fault. They are already, as Camping and others did, moving the promised land further into the future (“a 30+ year project”, “it took 18 years last time”). Some will slowly drift away, as the cognitive dissonance becomes too hard to bear even with the comforting delusions, forming an evaporative cooling of group beliefs — the least committed will leave, and only the most hardcore will remain, meaning that the group’s beliefs will become more extreme.

    https://unherd.com/2019/12/why-corbynistas-can-never-admit-theyre-wrong/
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,942
    edited December 2019
    CarlottaVance said:

    Yeah.....that'll work....

    https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1206971916445274112?s=20

    I'm being serious here, I really don't know why even a fan of the current leader and manifesto would consider those a priority. Even if you think the 2017 manifesto was the best thing ever surely it is just common sense to consider something slightly different at least. His point 3 is just stupid but is understandable on factional grounds, the 'what was Labour even for before Saint Jeremy came along?' approach, 1 is a whinge but they do need to be better at handling media (rather than just retreat to listening to the likes of, er, Bastani, but what purpose does 2 serve outside of further factional infighting?

    There will be disagreements on priorities at this stage, and I'm not best placed to identify the highest priority, but I feel like even I have a better handle on what they need to look at than this chap and his ilk.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,988
    CarlottaVance said:

    Yeah.....that'll work....

    https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1206971916445274112?s=20

    I think he made a typo in "Mandatory de-selection"

    Tool.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,780
    CarlottaVance said:

    Yeah.....that'll work....

    https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1206971916445274112?s=20


    Popular with the electorate? Clearly that's a secondary consideration in contrast to ideological purity.
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    CarlottaVance said:

    Yeah.....that'll work....

    https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1206971916445274112?s=20

    Why do people follow cretins like Bastani?

    He should be on his arse due to the number of false predictions he's made. But a few days later, after he's been shown to be wrong about everything, he's just back out again churning out relentless garbage as if nothing has happened.
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    Alistair said:

    So what's changed in the last 5 days (apart from pollster) where Trump was polling 7 and 8 points behinds Sanders and Warren?

    Attempted impeachment?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,226
    CarlottaVance said:

    Interesting watching MPs swearing in - the first to affirm was Corbyn....most Labour Front Benchers have been swearing

    I'm not f***ing surprised after that debacle.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,226
    CarlottaVance said:

    Yeah.....that'll work....

    https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1206971916445274112?s=20

    OK Dominic, no retribution. How did you hack Dr Peters' Twitter account?
  • BannedinnParisBannedinnParis Posts: 1,884
    GideonWise said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Yeah.....that'll work....

    https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1206971916445274112?s=20

    Why do people follow cretins like Bastani?

    He should be on his arse due to the number of false predictions he's made. But a few days later, after he's been shown to be wrong about everything, he's just back out again churning out relentless garbage as if nothing has happened.
    I dunno

    "Multiple failures have partly defined the Corbyn project. "

    seems pretty spot on to me.
  • trukattrukat Posts: 39
    ydoethur said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Interesting watching MPs swearing in - the first to affirm was Corbyn....most Labour Front Benchers have been swearing

    I'm not f***ing surprised after that debacle.
    Javid was first to affirm
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,402
    Philip_Thompson said:

    Wonder if some smartarse going forwards will try to become the new Dennis Skinner with silly remarks whenever Black Rod enters the chamber?

    Would Burgon have the relevant dim, bullying and unfunny qualities?

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