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Good to hear!Pulpstar said:Rod Crosby is definitely NOT dead btw.
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I wonder if Battersea could be in play after those polls.rcs1000 said:
To be fair, they should be three of safest seats in the country for the Conservatives.Brom said:
All 3 of those look in the bag for the Tories. I always knew Boris was more popular in London than a lot of folk make out.KentRising said:
Bye, Chukka!Big_G_NorthWales said:Cities of London & Westminster Constituency Voting Intention:
CON: 44% (+5)
LDM: 28% (-5)
LAB: 26% (=)
GRN: 1% (=)
Via @DeltapollUK, 3-8 Dec.
Changes w/ 14-21 Nov.
Finchley & Golders Green Constituency Voting Intention:
CON: 46% (=)
LDM: 34% (+2)
LAB 19% (=)
Via @DeltapollUK, 3-6 Dec.
Changes w/ 14-21 Nov.
Kensington Constituency Voting Intention:
CON: 39% (+3)
LAB: 29% (+2)
LDM: 27% (-6)
GRN: 2% (=)
BXP: 2% (New)
Via @DeltapollUK, 4-8 Dec.
Changes w/ 7-13 Nov.
Conservative remainers drifting back over fear of Corbyn ?0 -
Truebrokenwheel said:
You are missing one of the biggest reasons they stay silent. They don't exactly have the best human rights record for their own citizens, even if they're Muslim; Especially if they're the wrong sort of Muslim.Byronic said:
The reason Muslim countries stay silent on China is because they know 1. China doesn't give a shit what they say anyway, and 2. ginormous China keeps them in petrodollars, as America retreats#Floater said:Well said Cyclefree
I watched a you tube documentary a week or 2 back and it certainly opened my eyes.
In the past I must admit I thought the reports must be overblown, but looking into things it seems not.
As you say there is probably an element of people recalling Islamic terror and staying quiet.
I too cannot understand why Muslim countries stay silent - why they would speak up for China beggars belief.
Muslim extremists call for jihad against the west, but seem not to be overly perturbed by China and the left are fixated on Israel rather than this and say little if anything in condemnation.
As to what can be done, probably not a lot - perhaps our student bodies might like to suggest sanctions?0 -
With that Love Actually vote Boris is clearly after the female vote!0
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Question: the Telsa Model X is an SUV, as is the Audi E-Tron, as is the Jaguar i-Pace - where are they included in the numbers?Pulpstar said:Today's most striking statistic is that SUVs are outselling electric vehicles 37 to 1 !
(In California, SUVs were 50% of the 2 million vehicles sold last year and hybrids and EVs were a little bit more than 10%. Tesla sold 66,000 Model 3s in the 1H18 in California making that one model about 60% of all the electric and hybrids sold in the state.)0 -
Not now, they all had 60 to 70% Remain votes and have an above average percentage of both private and social renters, even if owner occupiers there are amongst the wealthiest in the country.rcs1000 said:
To be fair, they should be three of safest seats in the country for the Conservatives.Brom said:
All 3 of those look in the bag for the Tories. I always knew Boris was more popular in London than a lot of folk make out.KentRising said:
Bye, Chukka!Big_G_NorthWales said:Cities of London & Westminster Constituency Voting Intention:
CON: 44% (+5)
LDM: 28% (-5)
LAB: 26% (=)
GRN: 1% (=)
Via @DeltapollUK, 3-8 Dec.
Changes w/ 14-21 Nov.
Finchley & Golders Green Constituency Voting Intention:
CON: 46% (=)
LDM: 34% (+2)
LAB 19% (=)
Via @DeltapollUK, 3-6 Dec.
Changes w/ 14-21 Nov.
Kensington Constituency Voting Intention:
CON: 39% (+3)
LAB: 29% (+2)
LDM: 27% (-6)
GRN: 2% (=)
BXP: 2% (New)
Via @DeltapollUK, 4-8 Dec.
Changes w/ 7-13 Nov.
Conservative remainers drifting back over fear of Corbyn ?
Cities of London and Westminster, Finchley and Golders Green and Kensington had lower Tory voteshares in 2017 and now have lower Tory votes than Harlow, Thurrock, Nuneaton, Dartford and Gravesham for example, all seats won by Blair or most SW seats held by the LDs from 1997 to 2015, with YouGov MRP1 -
Didn’t think BBC news was that bad for Boris in fairness. You wouldn’t change your mind over a 2 minute story like that. Spending more time covering nonsense young persons QT0
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"A good friend of mine is a senior nursing sister at Leeds Hospital".nico67 said:
A friend of a friend ! ZzzzzzBanterman said:My my
Talking about misleading people https://t.co/5Wgdxg0E8e
Really? Do people in Leeds even call the Leeds General Infirmary "Leeds Hospital"?
I thought they called it "the LGI".
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I expect my next car will be electric. It certainly won’t be another diesel.rcs1000 said:
This is a normal technology adoption curve. Early adopters pay up, and this means that the work gets done to drive costs down.Casino_Royale said:
Electric vehicles need to be 30-40k, not 60-70k, and there need to be lots of 15 mins or less charging points *everywhere*.Pulpstar said:Today's most striking statistic is that SUVs are outselling electric vehicles 37 to 1 !
Then, they will sell.
Here's a bold prediction: within 20 years, 85% of vehicles sold with be completely electric. Simply, at a certain point they will be meaningfully cheaper to buy and to own.0 -
Same as all cyclefree threads I'm afraidsquareroot2 said:I saw thr thread header. I.lost the will to read it.. far too long...
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Well i wouldnt use that adjective but I like Chuka.RochdalePioneers said:Boys/Girls - am I really the only person here who thinks Chuka is lush...?
Hope he loses on Wednesday though
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The Guardian has pointed out that Bigot-gate, a much much bigger gaffe by Brown, did not shift the polls in any obvious way. We geeks probably exaggerate these things.Brom said:Didn’t think BBC news was that bad for Boris in fairness. You wouldn’t change your mind over a 2 minute story like that. Spending more time covering nonsense young persons QT
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But that's not 15 minutes every time you want to fill up. Because most of the time you will be filling up when parked at home. If you want to drive 400 miles, sure, you have to budget an extra 15 minutes into your journey - although you're doing well to fill up a petrol car in much under 5 minutes. But for most people less than 1% of their journeys are that long.squareroot2 said:
I won't buy one.... even 15 mins is too long...squareroot2 said:Casino_Royale said:
Electric vehicles need to be 30-40k, not 60-70k, and there need to be lots of 15 mins or less charging points *everywhere*.Pulpstar said:Today's most striking statistic is that SUVs are outselling electric vehicles 37 to 1 !
Then, they will sell.
In fact, forget the massive cost savings, you will spend less long in total refuelling because you can do most of it overnight while you are parked at home,
I agree that the cost of electric vehicles needs to be much cheaper though. Not many people but cars more than about £15k.0 -
O&S is nailed onkle4 said:
While I doubt the fevered excitement some are having for Boris's gaffes or poor word choices today will be bourne out, I do wonder why they are changing strategy now to make him much more prominent. To my surprise the cautious, restricted approach was working, why risk that on the assumption the red wall was crumbling and Boris was the man to knock it down, when it was apparenetly shaky enough without him plastering his face on the telly in more prominent ways, and ways that might arise from him cocking up?Richard_Tyndall said:
You can see why they have tried to keep him in a box for so long. He really doesn't have any sense of what he is saying.Alistair said:Boris comes out in favour of unrestricted immigration
https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1204042408457121793?s=19
They seem to be predicted to get anything from 1-5 in Scotland, even with an increase in vote.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Interesting, they're certainly in difficulty in the Scottish seats that they hold, from what I'm hearing.MarqueeMark said:
Bears out what I have been hearing (and sharing here) about the LibDem "surge" running out of steam and retreating in London/SE England.HYUFD said:Big_G_NorthWales said:Kensington Constituency Voting Intention:
CON: 39% (+3)
LAB: 29% (+2)
LDM: 27% (-6)
GRN: 2% (=)
BXP: 2% (New)
Via @DeltapollUK, 4-8 Dec.
Changes w/ 7-13 Nov.
Gyimah collapsed to third, looks like Felicity Buchan will gain Kensington back for the Tories
They might yet be in trouble holding on elsewhere.....
Caithness has gone, from what I hear
Hearing NE Fife swing to SNP
East Dunbartonshire unknown
Edinburgh West on a knife edge
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Naaah.. my diesel 2.2 is eu6 compliant.. does 50 plus to the gallon is not reliant on the single power points that take at least 20 mins.to charge up.. the future might be electric in 25 yrs time by which i probably will not be driving.. i will be 91...Foxy said:
A longer range than my current petrol car. A full charge is about £7, no congestion charge and emission zone charge, cheap tax, insurance and servicing. The future is electric.IshmaelZ said:
280 mile range when you have a full charge and optimal ambient temperatures.Foxy said:
Kia e-Niro has a 280 mile range and is highly liveable, and £34 000. Great long term test review here.IshmaelZ said:
A friend recently accepted the offer of a lift across Dartmoor on a cold night in an all-electric car. Battery was a bit low so they couldn't have the heating on, and when the windscreen started fogging up they had to open the windows to clear it. I will be sticking with diesel for the foreseeable.Casino_Royale said:
Electric vehicles need to be 30-40k, not 60-70k, and there need to be lots of 15 mins or less charging points *everywhere*.Pulpstar said:Today's most striking statistic is that SUVs are outselling electric vehicles 37 to 1 !
Then, they will sell.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/kia/e-niro/long-term-reviews/kia-e-niro-2019-long-term-review0 -
I'm not horrified....just confirms my view about Boris.....GIN1138 said:
LOL!KeithJenner said:Boris has done a Love Actually video.
https://www.facebook.com/borisjohnson/videos/513068995952552/
All the lefties that were involved with Love Actually like Hugh Grant and Emma Thompson will be horrified.
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My sample of Broxtowe voters has 100% of the voters voting for Anna. Admittedly, this is a sample of two.BigRich said:
No news from me, but there will be a bottle of Champaign in ice, just in case she looses her deposit.GIN1138 said:
Any news on what's happening with Ms Soubry in Broxtowe?Big_G_NorthWales said:Cities of London & Westminster Constituency Voting Intention:
CON: 44% (+5)
LDM: 28% (-5)
LAB: 26% (=)
GRN: 1% (=)
Via @DeltapollUK, 3-8 Dec.
Changes w/ 14-21 Nov.
Finchley & Golders Green Constituency Voting Intention:
CON: 46% (=)
LDM: 34% (+2)
LAB 19% (=)
Via @DeltapollUK, 3-6 Dec.
Changes w/ 14-21 Nov.
Kensington Constituency Voting Intention:
CON: 39% (+3)
LAB: 29% (+2)
LDM: 27% (-6)
GRN: 2% (=)
BXP: 2% (New)
Via @DeltapollUK, 4-8 Dec.
Changes w/ 7-13 Nov.
Conservative remainers drifting back over fear of Corbyn ?
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I hope so. Once you have dispensed with a gearbox and had an electric transmission its hard to suffer any kind of gear changes. My problem with electric cars is:Foxy said:
A longer range than my current petrol car. A full charge is about £7, no congestion charge and emission zone charge, cheap tax, insurance and servicing. The future is electric.IshmaelZ said:
280 mile range when you have a full charge and optimal ambient temperatures.
1. Scarcity. I very much appreciate Hyundai - great cars and amazingly efficient electric drive train but 12 months wait for a car
2. Complexity. Too many competing plug types and the new CCS standard isn't standard on the (unreliable) motorway chargers
3. POWER!!! To rapid charge <90kWH batteries you need Umph. You get that from Tesla Superchargers but iffy build quality. You don't get that from most CCS chargers especially if the car is an inefficient fatty like a Jag E-Pace or Merc EQC0 -
I just finished reading Antony Beevor's "The Battle for Spain", where he discusses those questions right at the end of his book. If the Republicans had won, they could well have become a democratic state, but because the Communists were so powerful, they could well have turned on their anarchist and liberal allies (just like the Bolsheviks in Russia). A totalitarian Communist Spain could well have been in a similar state to the other Communist Satellite States by 1989. On the other hand, if the Republic continued on a democratic path, not totally implausible, it could well have benefitted from Marshall Aid from 1948 onwards.Cookie said:Well this is an interesting thread and a welcome change from discussing what we've been discussing for the last eight weeks or more. And I never knew Picasso was a Stalinist.
Open question: what would have happened had the other side won the Spanish Civil War? Would Spain have become a member of the liberal west? Or a Soviet satellite? Or a sui generis leftist state a la Yugoslavia?1 -
2014 is nearly ancient history in EV terms. Electric vehicle technology is developing a great deal faster than people expect.RochdalePioneers said:
I had a 2014 Nissan Leaf. Poor car (in terms of ergonomics). Poor electric car (range, charging speed). Quite happy in my diseasal Volvo S90. Or would be had it not demolished a Ford Fiesta last month and been replaced by an insurance V90 petrol that (yay) is turbo and supercharged but (boo) drinks unleaded like its going out of business.Foxy said:
Kia e-Niro has a 280 mile range and is highly liveable, and £34 000. Great long term test review here.IshmaelZ said:
A friend recently accepted the offer of a lift across Dartmoor on a cold night in an all-electric car. Battery was a bit low so they couldn't have the heating on, and when the windscreen started fogging up they had to open the windows to clear it. I will be sticking with diesel for the foreseeable.Casino_Royale said:
Electric vehicles need to be 30-40k, not 60-70k, and there need to be lots of 15 mins or less charging points *everywhere*.Pulpstar said:Today's most striking statistic is that SUVs are outselling electric vehicles 37 to 1 !
Then, they will sell.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/kia/e-niro/long-term-reviews/kia-e-niro-2019-long-term-review
I think a big Volvo is exactly the kind of car that McDonnell wants to tax out of existence.
McKinsey in 2012...
Our analysis indicates that the price of a complete automotive lithium-ion battery pack could fall from $500 to $600 per kilowatt hour (kWh) today to about $200 per kWh by 2020 and to about $160 per kWh by 2025....
Last week...
December 3, 2019 – Battery prices, which were above $1,100 per kilowatt-hour in 2010, have fallen 87% in real terms to $156/kWh in 2019. By 2023, average prices will be close to $100/kWh, according to the latest forecast from research company BloombergNEF (BNEF)...
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I only know one Scottish LD, but she's very relaxed about Caithness and Orkney, but worries about Edinburgh West.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
O&S is nailed onkle4 said:
While I doubt the fevered excitement some are having for Boris's gaffes or poor word choices today will be bourne out, I do wonder why they are changing strategy now to make him much more prominent. To my surprise the cautious, restricted approach was working, why risk that on the assumption the red wall was crumbling and Boris was the man to knock it down, when it was apparenetly shaky enough without him plastering his face on the telly in more prominent ways, and ways that might arise from him cocking up?Richard_Tyndall said:
You can see why they have tried to keep him in a box for so long. He really doesn't have any sense of what he is saying.Alistair said:Boris comes out in favour of unrestricted immigration
https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1204042408457121793?s=19
They seem to be predicted to get anything from 1-5 in Scotland, even with an increase in vote.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Interesting, they're certainly in difficulty in the Scottish seats that they hold, from what I'm hearing.MarqueeMark said:
Bears out what I have been hearing (and sharing here) about the LibDem "surge" running out of steam and retreating in London/SE England.HYUFD said:Big_G_NorthWales said:Kensington Constituency Voting Intention:
CON: 39% (+3)
LAB: 29% (+2)
LDM: 27% (-6)
GRN: 2% (=)
BXP: 2% (New)
Via @DeltapollUK, 4-8 Dec.
Changes w/ 7-13 Nov.
Gyimah collapsed to third, looks like Felicity Buchan will gain Kensington back for the Tories
They might yet be in trouble holding on elsewhere.....
Caithness has gone, from what I hear
Hearing NE Fife swing to SNP
East Dunbartonshire unknown
Edinburgh West on a knife edge0 -
Although I have a car...they are hideous things, they represent the worst of humanity and should be banned. Electric cars are unpleasant...but your diesel thing sounds horrible too.....squareroot2 said:
Naaah.. my diesel 2.2 is eu6 compliant.. does 50 plus to the gallon is not reliant on the single power points that take at least 20 mins.to charge up.. the future might be electric in 25 yrs time by which i probably will not be driving.. i will be 91...Foxy said:
A longer range than my current petrol car. A full charge is about £7, no congestion charge and emission zone charge, cheap tax, insurance and servicing. The future is electric.IshmaelZ said:
280 mile range when you have a full charge and optimal ambient temperatures.Foxy said:
Kia e-Niro has a 280 mile range and is highly liveable, and £34 000. Great long term test review here.IshmaelZ said:
A friend recently accepted the offer of a lift across Dartmoor on a cold night in an all-electric car. Battery was a bit low so they couldn't have the heating on, and when the windscreen started fogging up they had to open the windows to clear it. I will be sticking with diesel for the foreseeable.Casino_Royale said:
Electric vehicles need to be 30-40k, not 60-70k, and there need to be lots of 15 mins or less charging points *everywhere*.Pulpstar said:Today's most striking statistic is that SUVs are outselling electric vehicles 37 to 1 !
Then, they will sell.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/kia/e-niro/long-term-reviews/kia-e-niro-2019-long-term-review0 -
I think that is an excellent ad... engaging and feel good. Just need Hugh Grant to have a moan and job doneAndrew said:
I'm not even well-disposed towards the guy, but credit where credit's due, that's extremely well-pitched. Almost perfect for a Christmas election.Brom said:With that Love Actually vote Boris is clearly after the female vote!
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Very well written and insightful you mean?PeterMannion said:
Same as all cyclefree threads I'm afraidsquareroot2 said:I saw thr thread header. I.lost the will to read it.. far too long...
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OGH said my "History of By-elections" thread back in April was too long, so I just trimmed it into two parts.PeterMannion said:
Same as all cyclefree threads I'm afraidsquareroot2 said:I saw thr thread header. I.lost the will to read it.. far too long...
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Uh-huh.....RochdalePioneers said:Boys/Girls - am I really the only person here who thinks Chuka is lush...?
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Not so - http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2019/08/28/after-an-eventful-day-three-questions-from-cyclefree/.PeterMannion said:
Same as all cyclefree threads I'm afraidsquareroot2 said:I saw thr thread header. I.lost the will to read it.. far too long...
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Kia ora! Adora! It's too orangey for crows! It's just for me and my dog. I'll be your dog!wooliedyed said:
Kia ora was the crows 'I'll be your dog'Fysics_Teacher said:
And looking back a pretty racist advert I think...Cyclefree said:
I thought for a moment you were talking about the drink Kia Ora!Foxy said:
Kia e-Niro has a 280 mile range and is highly liveable, and £34 000. Great long term test review here.IshmaelZ said:
A friend recently accepted the offer of a lift across Dartmoor on a cold night in an all-electric car. Battery was a bit low so they couldn't have the heating on, and when the windscreen started fogging up they had to open the windows to clear it. I will be sticking with diesel for the foreseeable.Casino_Royale said:
Electric vehicles need to be 30-40k, not 60-70k, and there need to be lots of 15 mins or less charging points *everywhere*.Pulpstar said:Today's most striking statistic is that SUVs are outselling electric vehicles 37 to 1 !
Then, they will sell.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/kia/e-niro/long-term-reviews/kia-e-niro-2019-long-term-review
Does it still exist? Absolutely disgusting but an occasional guilty pleasure at the cinema when I was a child.
Or was that Um Bongo?
Um bongo was um bongo um bongo they drink it in the Congo
Don't get me started on old ITV/cinema adverts. I searched YouTube for ages to the right music to the Gordon's Gin advert. (There are several versions). And as for getting the exact remix used for the trailers for The Martian and WW84, well still I search (not the originals - I know it's "all along the watchtower" and "blue Monday", - it's the exact remixes I want)0 -
That’s a good point. On the couple of occasions I recall anyone speaking about it, they called it LGI (I remember because I didn’t immediately know where they were referring to).Henrietta said:
"A good friend of mine is a senior nursing sister at Leeds Hospital".nico67 said:
A friend of a friend ! ZzzzzzBanterman said:My my
Talking about misleading people https://t.co/5Wgdxg0E8e
Really? Do people in Leeds even call the Leeds General Infirmary "Leeds Hospital"?
I thought they called it "the LGI".
I don’t live in Leeds, but am fairly close and go there relatively often. I would certainly call it Leeds Hospital. However, I don’t have any good friends that work there.0 -
Just looked at that, it made me smile,KeithJenner said:Boris has done a Love Actually video.
https://www.facebook.com/borisjohnson/videos/513068995952552/
Will it get the likes and shares to go viral, possibly?
57,000 views and 2,500 share in 30 minutes, is that good?0 -
I think to actually seem to move things a gaffe needs the right moment, to seem like the final straw that broke the camel's back. If there is not already movement then a gaffe doesn't mean much.Byronic said:
The Guardian has pointed out that Bigot-gate, a much much bigger gaffe by Brown, did not shift the polls in any obvious way. We geeks probably exaggerate these things.Brom said:Didn’t think BBC news was that bad for Boris in fairness. You wouldn’t change your mind over a 2 minute story like that. Spending more time covering nonsense young persons QT
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There are some smart people working on the Tory campaign.KeithJenner said:Boris has done a Love Actually video.
https://www.facebook.com/borisjohnson/videos/513068995952552/0 -
I am due to change my car next year. I have a lease and get a new one every 2 or 3 years.Nigelb said:
2014 is nearly ancient history in EV terms. Electric vehicle technology is developing a great deal faster than people expect.RochdalePioneers said:
I had a 2014 Nissan Leaf. Poor car (in terms of ergonomics). Poor electric car (range, charging speed). Quite happy in my diseasal Volvo S90. Or would be had it not demolished a Ford Fiesta last month and been replaced by an insurance V90 petrol that (yay) is turbo and supercharged but (boo) drinks unleaded like its going out of business.Foxy said:
Kia e-Niro has a 280 mile range and is highly liveable, and £34 000. Great long term test review here.IshmaelZ said:
A friend recently accepted the offer of a lift across Dartmoor on a cold night in an all-electric car. Battery was a bit low so they couldn't have the heating on, and when the windscreen started fogging up they had to open the windows to clear it. I will be sticking with diesel for the foreseeable.Casino_Royale said:
Electric vehicles need to be 30-40k, not 60-70k, and there need to be lots of 15 mins or less charging points *everywhere*.Pulpstar said:Today's most striking statistic is that SUVs are outselling electric vehicles 37 to 1 !
Then, they will sell.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/kia/e-niro/long-term-reviews/kia-e-niro-2019-long-term-review
I think a big Volvo is exactly the kind of car that McDonnell wants to tax out of existence.
McKinsey in 2012...
Our analysis indicates that the price of a complete automotive lithium-ion battery pack could fall from $500 to $600 per kilowatt hour (kWh) today to about $200 per kWh by 2020 and to about $160 per kWh by 2025....
Last week...
December 3, 2019 – Battery prices, which were above $1,100 per kilowatt-hour in 2010, have fallen 87% in real terms to $156/kWh in 2019. By 2023, average prices will be close to $100/kWh, according to the latest forecast from research company BloombergNEF (BNEF)...
For the first time ever I am tempted by 1. an electric car, or 2. going without a car entirely, as I barely use my present motor, thanks to London Transport and, especially, Uber
I am spending £500 a month to own a car I drive once a fortnight. It is insane.
Sadiq Khan's psychotic jihad against Uber is probably the only thing preventing me ditching my motor altogether. Which just shows how fucking stupid his policy is. Uber will kill car ownership, given time, which reduced pollution and congestion. But Sadiq wants to keep polluting diesel black cabs in business. Twat.0 -
He's pretty, but not sexy. He is well-groomed, which is often necessary but rarely sufficient.RochdalePioneers said:Boys/Girls - am I really the only person here who thinks Chuka is lush...?
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Filling up when parked at home does assume off street parking with a suitable charging point wired in. That rules out 75% of the houses on my street.Cookie said:
But that's not 15 minutes every time you want to fill up. Because most of the time you will be filling up when parked at home. If you want to drive 400 miles, sure, you have to budget an extra 15 minutes into your journey - although you're doing well to fill up a petrol car in much under 5 minutes. But for most people less than 1% of their journeys are that long.squareroot2 said:
I won't buy one.... even 15 mins is too long...squareroot2 said:Casino_Royale said:
Electric vehicles need to be 30-40k, not 60-70k, and there need to be lots of 15 mins or less charging points *everywhere*.Pulpstar said:Today's most striking statistic is that SUVs are outselling electric vehicles 37 to 1 !
Then, they will sell.
In fact, forget the massive cost savings, you will spend less long in total refuelling because you can do most of it overnight while you are parked at home,
I agree that the cost of electric vehicles needs to be much cheaper though. Not many people but cars more than about £15k.0 -
Cynical move by a canny OGH to get two threads of material, or a travesty akin to carving the mona lisa in two? You decide, PBers.Sunil_Prasannan said:
OGH said my "History of By-elections" thread back in April was too long, so I just trimmed it into two parts.PeterMannion said:
Same as all cyclefree threads I'm afraidsquareroot2 said:I saw thr thread header. I.lost the will to read it.. far too long...
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That's funny, @SeanT was an Uber zealot too.Byronic said:
I am due to change my car next year. I have a lease and get a new one every 2 or 3 years.Nigelb said:
2014 is nearly ancient history in EV terms. Electric vehicle technology is developing a great deal faster than people expect.RochdalePioneers said:
I had a 2014 Nissan Leaf. Poor car (in terms of ergonomics). Poor electric car (range, charging speed). Quite happy in my diseasal Volvo S90. Or would be had it not demolished a Ford Fiesta last month and been replaced by an insurance V90 petrol that (yay) is turbo and supercharged but (boo) drinks unleaded like its going out of business.Foxy said:
Kia e-Niro has a 280 mile range and is highly liveable, and £34 000. Great long term test review here.IshmaelZ said:
A friend recently accepted the offer of a lift across Dartmoor on a cold night in an all-electric car. Battery was a bit low so they couldn't have the heating on, and when the windscreen started fogging up they had to open the windows to clear it. I will be sticking with diesel for the foreseeable.Casino_Royale said:
Electric vehicles need to be 30-40k, not 60-70k, and there need to be lots of 15 mins or less charging points *everywhere*.Pulpstar said:Today's most striking statistic is that SUVs are outselling electric vehicles 37 to 1 !
Then, they will sell.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/kia/e-niro/long-term-reviews/kia-e-niro-2019-long-term-review
I think a big Volvo is exactly the kind of car that McDonnell wants to tax out of existence.
McKinsey in 2012...
Our analysis indicates that the price of a complete automotive lithium-ion battery pack could fall from $500 to $600 per kilowatt hour (kWh) today to about $200 per kWh by 2020 and to about $160 per kWh by 2025....
Last week...
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For the first time ever I am tempted by 1. an electric car, or 2. going without a car entirely, as I barely use my present motor, thanks to London Transport and, especially, Uber
I am spending £500 a month to own a car I drive once a fortnight. It is insane.
Sadiq Khan's psychotic jihad against Uber is probably the only thing preventing me ditching my motor altogether. Which just shows how fucking stupid his policy is. Uber will kill car ownership, given time, which reduced pollution and congestion. But Sadiq wants to keep polluting diesel black cabs in business. Twat. 1 -
@Cyclefree , i read your article and thought it was good. Thank you.0
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Although havent seen much attack ads on Corbyn....a few of those wouldnt go amiss0
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I love my Toyota CHR Hybrid!Fysics_Teacher said:
I expect my next car will be electric. It certainly won’t be another diesel.rcs1000 said:
This is a normal technology adoption curve. Early adopters pay up, and this means that the work gets done to drive costs down.Casino_Royale said:
Electric vehicles need to be 30-40k, not 60-70k, and there need to be lots of 15 mins or less charging points *everywhere*.Pulpstar said:Today's most striking statistic is that SUVs are outselling electric vehicles 37 to 1 !
Then, they will sell.
Here's a bold prediction: within 20 years, 85% of vehicles sold with be completely electric. Simply, at a certain point they will be meaningfully cheaper to buy and to own.0 -
I am buying my e-niro as a company car as it is negligible in BIK payments by tax, so quite a big saving. As Fox jr now lives in Fulham, no CC or Emission Charge is quite a boon. A return trip for a fiver. Not bad at all, and quite nippy to drive.RochdalePioneers said:
I hope so. Once you have dispensed with a gearbox and had an electric transmission its hard to suffer any kind of gear changes. My problem with electric cars is:Foxy said:
A longer range than my current petrol car. A full charge is about £7, no congestion charge and emission zone charge, cheap tax, insurance and servicing. The future is electric.IshmaelZ said:
280 mile range when you have a full charge and optimal ambient temperatures.
1. Scarcity. I very much appreciate Hyundai - great cars and amazingly efficient electric drive train but 12 months wait for a car
2. Complexity. Too many competing plug types and the new CCS standard isn't standard on the (unreliable) motorway chargers
3. POWER!!! To rapid charge <90kWH batteries you need Umph. You get that from Tesla Superchargers but iffy build quality. You don't get that from most CCS chargers especially if the car is an inefficient fatty like a Jag E-Pace or Merc EQC</p>0 -
Great video, have already shared it and good mockery of Hugh Grant tooKeithJenner said:Boris has done a Love Actually video.
https://www.facebook.com/borisjohnson/videos/513068995952552/0 -
Personally I find your posts too long. Could you trim them please.PeterMannion said:
Same as all cyclefree threads I'm afraidsquareroot2 said:I saw thr thread header. I.lost the will to read it.. far too long...
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Indeed I have now had 14 election communications from the Liberals begging me to lend them my vote. Their problem is I voted for Andrew Sinclair last week. SNP sources suggesting it is Andrew who is now challenging them not Jamie who they say is in 3rd place. Just over 72 hours until we know!AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Interesting, they're certainly in difficulty in the Scottish seats that they hold, from what I'm hearing.MarqueeMark said:
Bears out what I have been hearing (and sharing here) about the LibDem "surge" running out of steam and retreating in London/SE England.HYUFD said:Big_G_NorthWales said:Kensington Constituency Voting Intention:
CON: 39% (+3)
LAB: 29% (+2)
LDM: 27% (-6)
GRN: 2% (=)
BXP: 2% (New)
Via @DeltapollUK, 4-8 Dec.
Changes w/ 7-13 Nov.
Gyimah collapsed to third, looks like Felicity Buchan will gain Kensington back for the Tories
They might yet be in trouble holding on elsewhere.....1 -
Interesting article. Tories (in fact no party) can compete with Labour on Facebook, but they have the jump on everybody on YouTube......
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/media/2019/12/tories-are-spending-big-youtube-ads-here-s-why0 -
@Cookie
Do you know the most surprisingly weird thing about the Spanish Civil War?
Hermann Goering's arms company selling weapons to the Republicans while German troops were fighting (and flying) alongside the Nationalists.
Strange, but true!1 -
I owned the original Tesla Roadster. When I bought it, the idea of an electric vehicle that could do 220 miles on a charge (180 in reality) was extraordinary.squareroot2 said:
I won't buy one.... even 15 mins is too long...squareroot2 said:Casino_Royale said:
Electric vehicles need to be 30-40k, not 60-70k, and there need to be lots of 15 mins or less charging points *everywhere*.Pulpstar said:Today's most striking statistic is that SUVs are outselling electric vehicles 37 to 1 !
Then, they will sell.
The reality is that when you have an electric car, you plug it in when you get home (or if you want the electric car parking spot at the supermarket which the shorter walk).
Your car is essentially always "full" of electricity. And I can count on the fingers of no hands the number of times I did a 200 mile journey in a day.
With the latest Teslas, you can get up to 373 miles. That's comfortably more than London to Newcastle. 90% of people will go a whole year without doing a single journey 350 mile one day trip.
So the reality is that, with electric cars, you typically spend no time at all charging.1 -
That is actually very good. Made me smile.ralphmalph said:i
There are some smart people working on the Tory campaign.KeithJenner said:Boris has done a Love Actually video.
https://www.facebook.com/borisjohnson/videos/513068995952552/
(Still won’t vote for him, mind.)0 -
Energy is current times voltage times time. 90kWh means 90kW for an hour, 90kW means 375 amps at 240 volts. That’s a lot of umph.RochdalePioneers said:
I hope so. Once you have dispensed with a gearbox and had an electric transmission its hard to suffer any kind of gear changes. My problem with electric cars is:Foxy said:
A longer range than my current petrol car. A full charge is about £7, no congestion charge and emission zone charge, cheap tax, insurance and servicing. The future is electric.IshmaelZ said:
280 mile range when you have a full charge and optimal ambient temperatures.
1. Scarcity. I very much appreciate Hyundai - great cars and amazingly efficient electric drive train but 12 months wait for a car
2. Complexity. Too many competing plug types and the new CCS standard isn't standard on the (unreliable) motorway chargers
3. POWER!!! To rapid charge <90kWH batteries you need Umph. You get that from Tesla Superchargers but iffy build quality. You don't get that from most CCS chargers especially if the car is an inefficient fatty like a Jag E-Pace or Merc EQC</p>0 -
That’s not a particularly bold prediction.rcs1000 said:
This is a normal technology adoption curve. Early adopters pay up, and this means that the work gets done to drive costs down.Casino_Royale said:
Electric vehicles need to be 30-40k, not 60-70k, and there need to be lots of 15 mins or less charging points *everywhere*.Pulpstar said:Today's most striking statistic is that SUVs are outselling electric vehicles 37 to 1 !
Then, they will sell.
Here's a bold prediction: within 20 years, 85% of vehicles sold with be completely electric. Simply, at a certain point they will be meaningfully cheaper to buy and to own.
A decade might be.
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Boris should be done for littering, he clearly leaves almost all the cards behind in that Love Actually video.
But really it is genius. Not the parody, we've already seen that done in this campaign, but for having a video prominently featuring Boris where he cannot actually say something for most of it - sometimes it is a positive for him, but as in much of the campaign maybe best to limit what he says as much as possible.0 -
That will go viral because the press will all pick up on it and so will international news outlets Im sure. Uncharacteristically light hearted and fun for a British PM and plays up to the more positive aspects of his reputation. Not sure it will change many votes though, even when Correct Horse Battery is reporting view number 4 million.BigRich said:
Just looked at that, it made me smile,KeithJenner said:Boris has done a Love Actually video.
https://www.facebook.com/borisjohnson/videos/513068995952552/
Will it get the likes and shares to go viral, possibly?
57,000 views and 2,500 share in 30 minutes, is that good?0 -
Taking an Uber is not unknown in London.Benpointer said:
That's funny, @SeanT was an Uber zealot too.Byronic said:
I am due to change my car next year. I have a lease and get a new one every 2 or 3 years.Nigelb said:
2014 is nearly ancient history in EV terms. Electric vehicle technology is developing$100/kWh, according to the latest forecast from research company BloombergNEF (BNEF)...RochdalePioneers said:
I had a 2014 Nissan Leaf. Poor car (in terms of ergonomics). Poor electric car (range, charging speed). Quite happy in my diseasal Volvo S90. Or would be had it not demolished a Ford Fiesta last month and been replaced by an insurance V90 petrol that (yay) is turbo and supercharged but (boo) drinks unleaded like its going out of business.Foxy said:
Kia e-Niro has a 280 mile range and is highly liveable, and £34 000. Great long term test review here.IshmaelZ said:
A friend rep they had to open the windows to clear it. I will be sticking with diesel for the foreseeable.Casino_Royale said:
Electric vehicles need to be 30-40k, not 60-70k, and there need to be lots of 15 mins or less charging points *everywhere*.Pulpstar said:Today's most striking statistic is that SUVs are outselling electric vehicles 37 to 1 !
Then, they will sell.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/kia/e-niro/long-term-reviews/kia-e-niro-2019-long-term-review
I think a big Volvo is exactly the kind of car that McDonnell wants to tax out of existence.
For the first time ever I am tempted by 1. an electric car, or 2. going without a car entirely, as I barely use my present motor, thanks to London Transport and, especially, Uber
I am spending £500 a month to own a car I drive once a fortnight. It is insane.
Sadiq Khan's psychotic jihad against Uber is probably the only thing preventing me ditching my motor altogether. Which just shows how fucking stupid his policy is. Uber will kill car ownership, given time, which reduced pollution and congestion. But Sadiq wants to keep polluting diesel black cabs in business. Twat.1 -
Although weren't you very pessimistic about LD chances in your constituency in 2017?NorthCadboll said:
Indeed I have now had 14 election communications from the Liberals begging me to lend them my vote. Their problem is I voted for Andrew Sinclair last week. SNP sources suggesting it is Andrew who is now challenging them not Jamie who they say is in 3rd place. Just over 72 hours until we know!AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Interesting, they're certainly in difficulty in the Scottish seats that they hold, from what I'm hearing.MarqueeMark said:
Bears out what I have been hearing (and sharing here) about the LibDem "surge" running out of steam and retreating in London/SE England.HYUFD said:Big_G_NorthWales said:Kensington Constituency Voting Intention:
CON: 39% (+3)
LAB: 29% (+2)
LDM: 27% (-6)
GRN: 2% (=)
BXP: 2% (New)
Via @DeltapollUK, 4-8 Dec.
Changes w/ 7-13 Nov.
Gyimah collapsed to third, looks like Felicity Buchan will gain Kensington back for the Tories
They might yet be in trouble holding on elsewhere.....0 -
UKPR gives this data for 2011:rcs1000 said:
To be fair, they should be three of safest seats in the country for the Conservatives.Brom said:
All 3 of those look in the bag for the Tories. I always knew Boris was more popular in London than a lot of folk make out.KentRising said:
Bye, Chukka!Big_G_NorthWales said:Cities of London & Westminster Constituency Voting Intention:
CON: 44% (+5)
LDM: 28% (-5)
LAB: 26% (=)
GRN: 1% (=)
Via @DeltapollUK, 3-8 Dec.
Changes w/ 14-21 Nov.
Finchley & Golders Green Constituency Voting Intention:
CON: 46% (=)
LDM: 34% (+2)
LAB 19% (=)
Via @DeltapollUK, 3-6 Dec.
Changes w/ 14-21 Nov.
Kensington Constituency Voting Intention:
CON: 39% (+3)
LAB: 29% (+2)
LDM: 27% (-6)
GRN: 2% (=)
BXP: 2% (New)
Via @DeltapollUK, 4-8 Dec.
Changes w/ 7-13 Nov.
Conservative remainers drifting back over fear of Corbyn ?
Cities
32% Home ownership
42% White British
Finchley
55% Home ownership
45% White British
Kensington
35% Home ownership
37% White British
Even without being strongly Remain those demographics are not those of safe Conservative constituencies.2 -
How many points is this tedious rubbish worth? How many seats?Mysticrose said:
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My POSSOM is very pessimistic on Lib Dem chances in Scotland on recent polling, some turnout scenarios see then with just Orkney and Shetland left.kle4 said:
While I doubt the fevered excitement some are having for Boris's gaffes or poor word choices today will be bourne out, I do wonder why they are changing strategy now to make him much more prominent. To my surprise the cautious, restricted approach was working, why risk that on the assumption the red wall was crumbling and Boris was the man to knock it down, when it was apparenetly shaky enough without him plastering his face on the telly in more prominent ways, and ways that might arise from him cocking up?Richard_Tyndall said:
You can see why they have tried to keep him in a box for so long. He really doesn't have any sense of what he is saying.Alistair said:Boris comes out in favour of unrestricted immigration
https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1204042408457121793?s=19
They seem to be predicted to get anything from 1-5 in Scotland, even with an increase in vote.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Interesting, they're certainly in difficulty in the Scottish seats that they hold, from what I'm hearing.MarqueeMark said:
Bears out what I have been hearing (and sharing here) about the LibDem "surge" running out of steam and retreating in London/SE England.HYUFD said:Big_G_NorthWales said:Kensington Constituency Voting Intention:
CON: 39% (+3)
LAB: 29% (+2)
LDM: 27% (-6)
GRN: 2% (=)
BXP: 2% (New)
Via @DeltapollUK, 4-8 Dec.
Changes w/ 7-13 Nov.
Gyimah collapsed to third, looks like Felicity Buchan will gain Kensington back for the Tories
They might yet be in trouble holding on elsewhere.....0 -
Am I allowed to trust Laura Kuenssberg now?Mysticrose said:0 -
Lawyers are paid by the wordCyclefree said:
Not so - http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2019/08/28/after-an-eventful-day-three-questions-from-cyclefree/.PeterMannion said:
Same as all cyclefree threads I'm afraidsquareroot2 said:I saw thr thread header. I.lost the will to read it.. far too long...
Though the few headers that I have done have been fairly long. It is hard to be concise.0 -
PB - where people are glad to hear a holocaust denier is still alive then castigate Labour for anti-Semitism in the he next post.1
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Don't even joke about posts being too long, it's hard enough for me to keep my sentences under 100 words and without parentheses and hyphens as it is, let alone posts concise.Peter_the_Punter said:
Personally I find your posts too long. Could you trim them please.PeterMannion said:
Same as all cyclefree threads I'm afraidsquareroot2 said:I saw thr thread header. I.lost the will to read it.. far too long...
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It's the LGI to me, it's one of two major hospitals around Leeds city centre, the other being St James' Hospital. Saying Leeds Hospital could be either one of them.KeithJenner said:
That’s a good point. On the couple of occasions I recall anyone speaking about it, they called it LGI (I remember because I didn’t immediately know where they were referring to).Henrietta said:
"A good friend of mine is a senior nursing sister at Leeds Hospital".nico67 said:
A friend of a friend ! ZzzzzzBanterman said:My my
Talking about misleading people https://t.co/5Wgdxg0E8e
Really? Do people in Leeds even call the Leeds General Infirmary "Leeds Hospital"?
I thought they called it "the LGI".
I don’t live in Leeds, but am fairly close and go there relatively often. I would certainly call it Leeds Hospital. However, I don’t have any good friends that work there.0 -
Pah - tell that to Nissan. They designed the Leaf in 2010, first sold it in 2011, its still on sale now, with a battery pack that is larger than the 24kWH pack in my car but bi newer in terms of technology. And still passively cooled despite Rapidgate and all the terrible problems that highlighted.Nigelb said:2014 is nearly ancient history in EV terms. Electric vehicle technology is developing a great deal faster than people expect.
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Indeed. As was @A_View_From_Cumbria5rcs1000 said:
Although weren't you very pessimistic about LD chances in your constituency in 2017?NorthCadboll said:
Indeed I have now had 14 election communications from the Liberals begging me to lend them my vote. Their problem is I voted for Andrew Sinclair last week. SNP sources suggesting it is Andrew who is now challenging them not Jamie who they say is in 3rd place. Just over 72 hours until we know!AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Interesting, they're certainly in difficulty in the Scottish seats that they hold, from what I'm hearing.MarqueeMark said:
Bears out what I have been hearing (and sharing here) about the LibDem "surge" running out of steam and retreating in London/SE England.HYUFD said:Big_G_NorthWales said:Kensington Constituency Voting Intention:
CON: 39% (+3)
LAB: 29% (+2)
LDM: 27% (-6)
GRN: 2% (=)
BXP: 2% (New)
Via @DeltapollUK, 4-8 Dec.
Changes w/ 7-13 Nov.
Gyimah collapsed to third, looks like Felicity Buchan will gain Kensington back for the Tories
They might yet be in trouble holding on elsewhere.....0 -
Any views on the likelihood of Swinson losing ?Alistair said:
My POSSOM is very pessimistic on Lib Dem chances in Scotland on recent polling, some turnout scenarios see then with just Orkney and Shetland left.kle4 said:
While I doubt the fevered excitement some are having for Boris's gaffes or poor word choices today will be bourne out, I do wonder why they are changing strategy now to make him much more prominent. To my surprise the cautious, restricted approach was working, why risk that on the assumption the red wall was crumbling and Boris was the man to knock it down, when it was apparenetly shaky enough without him plastering his face on the telly in more prominent ways, and ways that might arise from him cocking up?Richard_Tyndall said:
You can see why they have tried to keep him in a box for so long. He really doesn't have any sense of what he is saying.Alistair said:Boris comes out in favour of unrestricted immigration
https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1204042408457121793?s=19
They seem to be predicted to get anything from 1-5 in Scotland, even with an increase in vote.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Interesting, they're certainly in difficulty in the Scottish seats that they hold, from what I'm hearing.MarqueeMark said:
Bears out what I have been hearing (and sharing here) about the LibDem "surge" running out of steam and retreating in London/SE England.HYUFD said:Big_G_NorthWales said:Kensington Constituency Voting Intention:
CON: 39% (+3)
LAB: 29% (+2)
LDM: 27% (-6)
GRN: 2% (=)
BXP: 2% (New)
Via @DeltapollUK, 4-8 Dec.
Changes w/ 7-13 Nov.
Gyimah collapsed to third, looks like Felicity Buchan will gain Kensington back for the Tories
They might yet be in trouble holding on elsewhere.....0 -
F&GG has never been a safe seat. It has gone to the government party at every election since it's creation in 1997rcs1000 said:
To be fair, they should be three of safest seats in the country for the Conservatives.Brom said:
All 3 of those look in the bag for the Tories. I always knew Boris was more popular in London than a lot of folk make out.KentRising said:
Bye, Chukka!Big_G_NorthWales said:Cities of London & Westminster Constituency Voting Intention:
CON: 44% (+5)
LDM: 28% (-5)
LAB: 26% (=)
GRN: 1% (=)
Via @DeltapollUK, 3-8 Dec.
Changes w/ 14-21 Nov.
Finchley & Golders Green Constituency Voting Intention:
CON: 46% (=)
LDM: 34% (+2)
LAB 19% (=)
Via @DeltapollUK, 3-6 Dec.
Changes w/ 14-21 Nov.
Kensington Constituency Voting Intention:
CON: 39% (+3)
LAB: 29% (+2)
LDM: 27% (-6)
GRN: 2% (=)
BXP: 2% (New)
Via @DeltapollUK, 4-8 Dec.
Changes w/ 7-13 Nov.
Conservative remainers drifting back over fear of Corbyn ?0 -
Just wondering if Baroness Stuart of Edgbaston will take the Tory or Labour whip or become a cross-bencher0
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Tedious rubbish?BluerBlue said:
The NHS is on its knees. For the majority of people in this country it really really matters.0 -
Don’t tease me. I love it.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
O&S is nailed onkle4 said:
While I doubt the fevered excitement some are having for Boris's gaffes or poor word choices today will be bourne out, I do wonder why they are changing strategy now to make him much more prominent. To my surprise the cautious, restricted approach was working, why risk that on the assumption the red wall was crumbling and Boris was the man to knock it down, when it was apparenetly shaky enough without him plastering his face on the telly in more prominent ways, and ways that might arise from him cocking up?Richard_Tyndall said:
You can see why they have tried to keep him in a box for so long. He really doesn't have any sense of what he is saying.Alistair said:Boris comes out in favour of unrestricted immigration
https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1204042408457121793?s=19
They seem to be predicted to get anything from 1-5 in Scotland, even with an increase in vote.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Interesting, they're certainly in difficulty in the Scottish seats that they hold, from what I'm hearing.MarqueeMark said:
Bears out what I have been hearing (and sharing here) about the LibDem "surge" running out of steam and retreating in London/SE England.HYUFD said:Big_G_NorthWales said:Kensington Constituency Voting Intention:
CON: 39% (+3)
LAB: 29% (+2)
LDM: 27% (-6)
GRN: 2% (=)
BXP: 2% (New)
Via @DeltapollUK, 4-8 Dec.
Changes w/ 7-13 Nov.
Gyimah collapsed to third, looks like Felicity Buchan will gain Kensington back for the Tories
They might yet be in trouble holding on elsewhere.....
Caithness has gone, from what I hear
Hearing NE Fife swing to SNP
East Dunbartonshire unknown
Edinburgh West on a knife edge
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The Tories are doing pretty well when it comes to progressive road fund taxes. I hadn't researched the £40,000 plus surcharge until the sales lady at Mercedes Benz Solihull asked me for around a grand for the first year road fund licence, and that goes on for another four!RochdalePioneers said:
I had a 2014 Nissan Leaf. Poor car (in terms of ergonomics). Poor electric car (range, charging speed). Quite happy in my diseasal Volvo S90. Or would be had it not demolished a Ford Fiesta last month and been replaced by an insurance V90 petrol that (yay) is turbo and supercharged but (boo) drinks unleaded like its going out of business.Foxy said:
Kia e-Niro has a 280 mile range and is highly liveable, and £34 000. Great long term test review here.IshmaelZ said:
A friend recently accepted the offer of a lift across Dartmoor on a cold night in an all-electric car. Battery was a bit low so they couldn't have the heating on, and when the windscreen started fogging up they had to open the windows to clear it. I will be sticking with diesel for the foreseeable.Casino_Royale said:
Electric vehicles need to be 30-40k, not 60-70k, and there need to be lots of 15 mins or less charging points *everywhere*.Pulpstar said:Today's most striking statistic is that SUVs are outselling electric vehicles 37 to 1 !
Then, they will sell.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/kia/e-niro/long-term-reviews/kia-e-niro-2019-long-term-review
I think a big Volvo is exactly the kind of car that McDonnell wants to tax out of existence.0 -
Exactly and it will be the split between the Labour and LD votes that enables the Tories to hold on, in all 3 the Tories are polling under 50% and in Kensington the Tories are still polling even under their national voteshare with Deltapollanother_richard said:
UKPR gives this data for 2011:rcs1000 said:
To be fair, they should be three of safest seats in the country for the Conservatives.Brom said:
All 3 of those look in the bag for the Tories. I always knew Boris was more popular in London than a lot of folk make out.KentRising said:
Bye, Chukka!Big_G_NorthWales said:Cities of London & Westminster Constituency Voting Intention:
CON: 44% (+5)
LDM: 28% (-5)
LAB: 26% (=)
GRN: 1% (=)
Via @DeltapollUK, 3-8 Dec.
Changes w/ 14-21 Nov.
Finchley & Golders Green Constituency Voting Intention:
CON: 46% (=)
LDM: 34% (+2)
LAB 19% (=)
Via @DeltapollUK, 3-6 Dec.
Changes w/ 14-21 Nov.
Kensington Constituency Voting Intention:
CON: 39% (+3)
LAB: 29% (+2)
LDM: 27% (-6)
GRN: 2% (=)
BXP: 2% (New)
Via @DeltapollUK, 4-8 Dec.
Changes w/ 7-13 Nov.
Conservative remainers drifting back over fear of Corbyn ?
Cities
32% Home ownership
42% White British
Finchley
55% Home ownership
45% White British
Kensington
35% Home ownership
37% White British
Even without being strongly Remain those demographics are not those of safe Conservative constituencies.0 -
I don’t want Corbyn to be Prime Minister, but I don’t want him dead either. Love the sinner, hate the sin.Alistair said:PB - where people are glad to hear a holocaust denier is still alive then castigate Labour for anti-Semitism in the he next post.
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Hmm. Not bad, but even not going for the really mean tweets I think they could have picked some more biting ones to have Jeremy respond to. Would have had more oomph.
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/12041330099868508160 -
What you need - particularly if you live in Central London - is membership of a car club. A car when you need one and only when you need one. Far more cost effective. Also particularly suitable for families with two cars on the drive for the one time every two weeks when different offspring need to be ferried to different places at the same time.Byronic said:
Taking an Uber is not unknown in London.Benpointer said:
That's funny, @SeanT was an Uber zealot too.Byronic said:
I am due to change my car next year. I have a lease and get a new one every 2 or 3 years.Nigelb said:
2014 is nearly ancient history in EV terms. Electric vehicle technology is developing$100/kWh, according to the latest forecast from research company BloombergNEF (BNEF)...RochdalePioneers said:
I had a 2014 Nissan Leaf. Poor car (in terms of ergonomics). Poor electric car (range, charging speed). Quite happy in my diseasal Volvo S90. Or would be had it not demolished a Ford Fiesta last month and been replaced by an insurance V90 petrol that (yay) is turbo and supercharged but (boo) drinks unleaded like its going out of business.Foxy said:
Kia e-Niro has a 280 mile range and is highly liveable, and £34 000. Great long term test review here.IshmaelZ said:
A friend rep they had to open the windows to clear it. I will be sticking with diesel for the foreseeable.Casino_Royale said:
Electric vehicles need to be 30-40k, not 60-70k, and there need to be lots of 15 mins or less charging points *everywhere*.Pulpstar said:Today's most striking statistic is that SUVs are outselling electric vehicles 37 to 1 !
Then, they will sell.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/kia/e-niro/long-term-reviews/kia-e-niro-2019-long-term-review
I think a big Volvo is exactly the kind of car that McDonnell wants to tax out of existence.
For the first time ever I am tempted by 1. an electric car, or 2. going without a car entirely, as I barely use my present motor, thanks to London Transport and, especially, Uber
I am spending £500 a month to own a car I drive once a fortnight. It is insane.
Sadiq Khan's psychotic jihad against Uber is probably the only thing preventing me ditching my motor altogether. Which just shows how fucking stupid his policy is. Uber will kill car ownership, given time, which reduced pollution and congestion. But Sadiq wants to keep polluting diesel black cabs in business. Twat.
It does mean you have to stop using your car as a spare room to house all the stuff which needs a home somewhere but doesn't yet have one.0 -
Lib Dems in 3rd in Kensington?? Blimey.Big_G_NorthWales said:Cities of London & Westminster Constituency Voting Intention:
CON: 44% (+5)
LDM: 28% (-5)
LAB: 26% (=)
GRN: 1% (=)
Via @DeltapollUK, 3-8 Dec.
Changes w/ 14-21 Nov.
Finchley & Golders Green Constituency Voting Intention:
CON: 46% (=)
LDM: 34% (+2)
LAB 19% (=)
Via @DeltapollUK, 3-6 Dec.
Changes w/ 14-21 Nov.
Kensington Constituency Voting Intention:
CON: 39% (+3)
LAB: 29% (+2)
LDM: 27% (-6)
GRN: 2% (=)
BXP: 2% (New)
Via @DeltapollUK, 4-8 Dec.
Changes w/ 7-13 Nov.
Conservative remainers drifting back over fear of Corbyn ?0 -
Tomorrow's front pages are not quite so lush as the Johnson team would wish at this stage.
https://news.sky.com/story/tuesdays-national-newspaper-front-pages-11882667
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Yes, I heard that! Also hearing SCon up to 2nd in East Lothian...NorthCadboll said:
Indeed I have now had 14 election communications from the Liberals begging me to lend them my vote. Their problem is I voted for Andrew Sinclair last week. SNP sources suggesting it is Andrew who is now challenging them not Jamie who they say is in 3rd place. Just over 72 hours until we know!AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Interesting, they're certainly in difficulty in the Scottish seats that they hold, from what I'm hearing.MarqueeMark said:
Bears out what I have been hearing (and sharing here) about the LibDem "surge" running out of steam and retreating in London/SE England.HYUFD said:Big_G_NorthWales said:Kensington Constituency Voting Intention:
CON: 39% (+3)
LAB: 29% (+2)
LDM: 27% (-6)
GRN: 2% (=)
BXP: 2% (New)
Via @DeltapollUK, 4-8 Dec.
Changes w/ 7-13 Nov.
Gyimah collapsed to third, looks like Felicity Buchan will gain Kensington back for the Tories
They might yet be in trouble holding on elsewhere.....0 -
This is not over yet
Looks like the Telegraph are going to make an issue of it
Allison Pearson
So I have detailed explanation from paediatric nurses explaining why photo of child on the floor is “100% faked”. I will put in @Telegraph on Weds. Stage a photo. Cause outrage. Castigate people who doubt it for showing insufficient compassion. Jesus.0 -
Thing is I've been told its on its knees my whole adult life. I honestly cannot tell if it is or not as a result.Mysticrose said:
Tedious rubbish?BluerBlue said:
The NHS is on its knees. For the majority of people in this country it really really matters.0 -
I was hoping for a Chandler parody.kle4 said:Hmm. Not bad, but even not going for the really mean tweets I think they could have picked some more biting ones to have Jeremy respond to. Would have had more oomph.
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1204133009986850816
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I’m not paid for my headers.Foxy said:
Lawyers are paid by the wordCyclefree said:
Not so - http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2019/08/28/after-an-eventful-day-three-questions-from-cyclefree/.PeterMannion said:
Same as all cyclefree threads I'm afraidsquareroot2 said:I saw thr thread header. I.lost the will to read it.. far too long...
Though the few headers that I have done have been fairly long. It is hard to be concise.
It’s all for love and glory. Those who criticise should try writing some of their own. This is the 50th one I’ve done this year.
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Then journalists should ask specific questions of fact about treatment standards, about the government's record of investment and its future plans, not gurning trying to create viral gotchas for 15 minutes of fame.Mysticrose said:
Tedious rubbish?BluerBlue said:
The NHS is on its knees. For the majority of people in this country it really really matters.
And I'd like to know - how many points? How many seats?0 -
I’ll leave that to Mr Market.RochdalePioneers said:
Pah - tell that to Nissan. They designed the Leaf in 2010, first sold it in 2011, its still on sale now, with a battery pack that is larger than the 24kWH pack in my car but bi newer in terms of technology. And still passively cooled despite Rapidgate and all the terrible problems that highlighted.Nigelb said:2014 is nearly ancient history in EV terms. Electric vehicle technology is developing a great deal faster than people expect.
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I genuinely don't understand how Ed West is apparently down to the wire - that is what I am hearing too.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
O&S is nailed onkle4 said:
While I doubt the fevered excitement some are having for Boris's gaffes or poor word choices today will be bourne out, I do wonder why they are changing strategy now to make him much more prominent. To my surprise the cautious, restricted approach was working, why risk that on the assumption the red wall was crumbling and Boris was the man to knock it down, when it was apparenetly shaky enough without him plastering his face on the telly in more prominent ways, and ways that might arise from him cocking up?Richard_Tyndall said:
You can see why they have tried to keep him in a box for so long. He really doesn't have any sense of what he is saying.Alistair said:Boris comes out in favour of unrestricted immigration
https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1204042408457121793?s=19
They seem to be predicted to get anything from 1-5 in Scotland, even with an increase in vote.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Interesting, they're certainly in difficulty in the Scottish seats that they hold, from what I'm hearing.MarqueeMark said:
Bears out what I have been hearing (and sharing here) about the LibDem "surge" running out of steam and retreating in London/SE England.HYUFD said:Big_G_NorthWales said:Kensington Constituency Voting Intention:
CON: 39% (+3)
LAB: 29% (+2)
LDM: 27% (-6)
GRN: 2% (=)
BXP: 2% (New)
Via @DeltapollUK, 4-8 Dec.
Changes w/ 7-13 Nov.
Gyimah collapsed to third, looks like Felicity Buchan will gain Kensington back for the Tories
They might yet be in trouble holding on elsewhere.....
Caithness has gone, from what I hear
Hearing NE Fife swing to SNP
East Dunbartonshire unknown
Edinburgh West on a knife edge
LDs actually increased vote in 2015, just got overtaken by the SNP surge.
Absolutely demolished the opposition at the council elections in Almond Ward, if they had put up 3 candidates they would have al got in.
I feel I have just totally mischaracterised the nature of EdWest Tory voters. Also the residual Lab vote must have evaporated and gone SNP.
Frustrating betting experience.1 -
Cookie:
"What you need - particularly if you live in Central London - is membership of a car club. A car when you need one and only when you need one. Far more cost effective. Also particularly suitable for families with two cars on the drive for the one time every two weeks when different offspring need to be ferried to different places at the same time.
It does mean you have to stop using your car as a spare room to house all the stuff which needs a home somewhere but doesn't yet have one."
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I've tried car clubs. Zipcar etc.
Uber is infinitely better. It turns up at my door in 2 minutes, like a chauffeur, it does all the boring driving, it drops me where I want, it costs a few quid, it then disappears with no worries about parking - and of course I can drink as much Brunello as I like, all the time.
UBER UBER ALLES0 -
I predict a decade. Less.Nigelb said:
That’s not a particularly bold prediction.rcs1000 said:
This is a normal technology adoption curve. Early adopters pay up, and this means that the work gets done to drive costs down.Casino_Royale said:
Electric vehicles need to be 30-40k, not 60-70k, and there need to be lots of 15 mins or less charging points *everywhere*.Pulpstar said:Today's most striking statistic is that SUVs are outselling electric vehicles 37 to 1 !
Then, they will sell.
Here's a bold prediction: within 20 years, 85% of vehicles sold with be completely electric. Simply, at a certain point they will be meaningfully cheaper to buy and to own.
A decade might be.
A couple of days ago Labour promised that all buses would be electric within a decade. Well great. But I'd be very surprised if that doesn't happen anyway with either minimal state nudging or simply through market forces.
Incidentally, many transport futurologists predict that self-driving cars will be the norm by the time the decade is out. Thus, no-one will own a car; you will hail one in the same way that you hail an uber and it will turn up and take you to your destination. Or to your public transport node to connect to a train to take you to your destination, depending on what you need and what you want to pay.
I could go on at some length about all of this if anyone is interested...0 -
14?! Blimey.NorthCadboll said:
Indeed I have now had 14 election communications from the Liberals begging me to lend them my vote. Their problem is I voted for Andrew Sinclair last week. SNP sources suggesting it is Andrew who is now challenging them not Jamie who they say is in 3rd place. Just over 72 hours until we know!AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Interesting, they're certainly in difficulty in the Scottish seats that they hold, from what I'm hearing.MarqueeMark said:
Bears out what I have been hearing (and sharing here) about the LibDem "surge" running out of steam and retreating in London/SE England.HYUFD said:Big_G_NorthWales said:Kensington Constituency Voting Intention:
CON: 39% (+3)
LAB: 29% (+2)
LDM: 27% (-6)
GRN: 2% (=)
BXP: 2% (New)
Via @DeltapollUK, 4-8 Dec.
Changes w/ 7-13 Nov.
Gyimah collapsed to third, looks like Felicity Buchan will gain Kensington back for the Tories
They might yet be in trouble holding on elsewhere.....0 -
BluerBlue joined this site on Nov 16th.BluerBlue said:
There was another one of those I discovered this morning.
Hmmm ...
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What? Lord Sugar backing the Tories as the main story on the Sun, the most read paper? Am sure Boris will be fine with that.Mysticrose said:Tomorrow's front pages are not quite so lush as the Johnson team would wish at this stage.
https://news.sky.com/story/tuesdays-national-newspaper-front-pages-118826670 -
I was blueblue before I got locked out of my account, dummy.Mysticrose said:
BluerBlue joined this site on Nov 16th.BluerBlue said:
There was another one of those I discovered this morning.
Hmmm ...1 -
BoJo didnt know it was fake at the time.Big_G_NorthWales said:This is not over yet
Looks like the Telegraph are going to make an issue of it
Allison Pearson
So I have detailed explanation from paediatric nurses explaining why photo of child on the floor is “100% faked”. I will put in @Telegraph on Weds. Stage a photo. Cause outrage. Castigate people who doubt it for showing insufficient compassion. Jesus.0 -
Looks like this is going to backfire spectacularly for Labour 😂Big_G_NorthWales said:This is not over yet
Looks like the Telegraph are going to make an issue of it
Allison Pearson
So I have detailed explanation from paediatric nurses explaining why photo of child on the floor is “100% faked”. I will put in @Telegraph on Weds. Stage a photo. Cause outrage. Castigate people who doubt it for showing insufficient compassion. Jesus.0 -
I disagree. I like a lengthy read when it's well crafted - as Cyclefree's headers usually are (indeed, as most pb.com contributors' headers are - especially on subjects we don't necessarily talk about as regularly).Peter_the_Punter said:
Personally I find your posts too long. Could you trim them please.PeterMannion said:
Same as all cyclefree threads I'm afraidsquareroot2 said:I saw thr thread header. I.lost the will to read it.. far too long...
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I'm very surprised, it appears to be against the run of play. Nearly 8k SLab voters last time, so does suggest collapse is incoming for the lacklustre Red team.Alistair said:
I genuinely don't understand how Ed West is apparently down to the wire - that is what I am hearing too.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
O&S is nailed onkle4 said:
While I doubt the fevered excitement some are having for Boris's gaffes or poor word choices today will be bourne out, I do wonder why they are changing strategy now to make him much more prominent. To my surprise the cautious, restricted approach was working, why risk that on the assumption the red wall was crumbling and Boris was the man to knock it down, when it was apparenetly shaky enough without him plastering his face on the telly in more prominent ways, and ways that might arise from him cocking up?Richard_Tyndall said:
You can see why they have tried to keep him in a box for so long. He really doesn't have any sense of what he is saying.Alistair said:Boris comes out in favour of unrestricted immigration
https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1204042408457121793?s=19
They seem to be predicted to get anything from 1-5 in Scotland, even with an increase in vote.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Interesting, they're certainly in difficulty in the Scottish seats that they hold, from what I'm hearing.MarqueeMark said:
Bears out what I have been hearing (and sharing here) about the LibDem "surge" running out of steam and retreating in London/SE England.HYUFD said:Big_G_NorthWales said:Kensington Constituency Voting Intention:
CON: 39% (+3)
LAB: 29% (+2)
LDM: 27% (-6)
GRN: 2% (=)
BXP: 2% (New)
Via @DeltapollUK, 4-8 Dec.
Changes w/ 7-13 Nov.
Gyimah collapsed to third, looks like Felicity Buchan will gain Kensington back for the Tories
They might yet be in trouble holding on elsewhere.....
Caithness has gone, from what I hear
Hearing NE Fife swing to SNP
East Dunbartonshire unknown
Edinburgh West on a knife edge
LDs actually increased vote in 2015, just got overtaken by the SNP surge.
Absolutely ahnihalted the opposition at the council elections in Almond Ward, if they had put up 3 candidates they would have al got in.
I feel I have just totally mischaracterised the nature of EdWest Tory voters. Also the residual Lab vote must have evaporated and gone SNP.
Frustrating betting experience.0 -
There's a good write up on the bbc website: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50717606BluerBlue said:
Then journalists should ask specific questions of fact about treatment standards, about the government's record of investment and its future plans, not gurning trying to create viral gotchas for 15 minutes of fame.Mysticrose said:
Tedious rubbish?BluerBlue said:
The NHS is on its knees. For the majority of people in this country it really really matters.
And I'd like to know - how many points? How many seats?
And tomorrow's fronts are full of it: https://news.sky.com/story/general-election-johnson-criticised-over-reaction-to-image-of-sick-boy-on-hospital-floor-11882481
Re. the impact for the election? We shall see.
Re. the future of the NHS? It's in everyone's interest to vote accordingly. Well, unless, of course, you have a solid private health package, don't live here or are just a CCHQ stooge.0 -
I assume you have BluestBlue as a back up in case you get locked out again.BluerBlue said:
I was blueblue before I got locked out of my account, dummy.Mysticrose said:
BluerBlue joined this site on Nov 16th.BluerBlue said:
There was another one of those I discovered this morning.
Hmmm ...0 -
Labour fake NHS story for political gain scandal coming our way tomorrow thenkjohnw1 said:
Looks like this is going to backfire spectacularly for Labour 😂Big_G_NorthWales said:This is not over yet
Looks like the Telegraph are going to make an issue of it
Allison Pearson
So I have detailed explanation from paediatric nurses explaining why photo of child on the floor is “100% faked”. I will put in @Telegraph on Weds. Stage a photo. Cause outrage. Castigate people who doubt it for showing insufficient compassion. Jesus.0
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