“When you ask a normal, right-handed person about something he’s supposed to have seen, if he looks upward and to his left, he’s truly accessing his memory of the incident,” Bouton says. “However, if he looks upward and to his right, he’s accessing his imagination, and he’s inventing an answer.”
Point of order. I think that's an urban myth popularised by the late 90s film "The Negotiator". I don't think it's true IRL. Happy to be contradicted if wrong.
Yes, that's total twaddle. It's a well know fact of psychology that there are no mannerisms that can be used to determine whether someone is lying.
Not true. Some people, if their lips are moving.....
Just say no, its not difficult. I don't, I'd rather spend the time with my family. No reason not to say that.
Sounds as if he is like most people who are not determined either to watch it or miss it. A lot of families will have the telly on all day and if HMQ happens to be on, then are they watching it?
Exactly. Most sane people will have sometimes watched it and other times not. Many will not know what time it is despite having watched it sometimes.
Bullshit...everybody knows the Queen speech is on in the afternoon. Even those that don't watch it, normally so as to make sure you have something else queued up for the moving picture box at that time.
You do realise some people dont have a TV? And plenty of people with a TV only watch things on demand, so arent stuck to a fixed schedule?
Brexit Party not to win a seat 5/4 Brexit party to win Heywood & Middleton 33/1 Lib Dem’s 10-19 seats 4/1 Conservatives under 340.5 seats 11/10 Con maj 4/5
Serously Isam - is that all you have bet on this GE? I`m on my third side of A4.
Yes I haven’t really got involved at all. I made a mistake there, I laid NOM at 5/4 rather than backed Con maj at 4/5
Where did you get Lib Dem's 10-19 seats 4/1? Best I could find is 13/5 with Paddy Power.
You won`t get 4/1 now! One of my best bets has been to go Under 37.5 LibDem seats at 5/6 for £60.
Indeed, I cashed out of my lib dems under 40 seats bet at a nice profit because I realised I had a liability on the 0-10 band I'd missed.
“When you ask a normal, right-handed person about something he’s supposed to have seen, if he looks upward and to his left, he’s truly accessing his memory of the incident,” Bouton says. “However, if he looks upward and to his right, he’s accessing his imagination, and he’s inventing an answer.”
Point of order. I think that's an urban myth popularised by the late 90s film "The Negotiator". I don't think it's true IRL. Happy to be contradicted if wrong.
Yes, that's total twaddle. It's a well know fact of psychology that there are no mannerisms that can be used to determine whether someone is lying.
I am not sure it is a well known fact. There are certain tics that if repeated and are part of other verbal evidence, many psychologists (particularly those that specialise in criminology) believe indicate lying. Those that are pathological liars are good at covering inconsistency and tics. Some liars are very good at it, some very bad. Boris Johnson compared with POTUS is interesting!
Good poll for Bernie and Biden, Politico/Morning Consult Biden 29; Sanders 20; Warren 15; Buttigieg 9; Bloomberg 5; Yang 4.
Harris gets 5% as she exits the race.
Bloomberg at 5% already!
He’s running lots of TV ads on the theme of “I’m a good billionaire, unlike Donald Trump.”
No rallies, no debates, no outside donations (He doesn't need any but they still help people feel "part" of a movement", no Iowa, no New Hampshire, no South Carolina, no Nevada presence. It's an interesting strategy.
He is really running as an Independent in the general election, not for the Democratic nomination
this is why Labour are going to lose so badly - Boris does a video to let you know he has a cheeky flapjack (almost winking at the female viewers as he does it) and says 16 hour work days are nothing to boast about because lots of people have long workdays (yes I understand you Mr shift worker) - Corbo lies about the Queen's speech, does EXERCISE on xmas day and wierds everyone out by droning on about his good works evangelising on the wonders of a socialist revolution to poor people who can't walk away, or they'll miss their christmas dinner and a decent bed.
Boris is a mendacious sod, he's a liar but he clearly isn't a weirdo - he's basically what he says he is - a gee-er-upper, a positive vibes machine, a can'do-otron, a flapjack-powered ball of chirpy optimism - forget the crazed and ever more desperate Labour promises - they could have walked this election and Blair would have done - Corbyn is an odd odd man and I think a lot of everyday people have realised that since 2017.
No Johnson is a weirdo, he's just also an extremely effective actor.
Trying to call Wrexham It voted 60:40 leave and has been an Ian Lucas's seat for a long time. Who has now stood aside. Don't have any input from the ground, but looked at the social media posts of the two main candidates Sarah Atherton, Tories : twitter 225 following and 881 followers Mary Wimbury, Labour: twitter 2,713 and 3,148 respectively Same goes for facebook too. Mary has neary 5 times more posts. Just looking at this, it suggests that Mary seems to be far more active and has a huge following, at least on the social media sites, than Sarah. Do local factors and local candidates also count? Or are Tories just hoping that Brexit is the myhtical Elixir to all.
Or is it that social media as a whole is more left leaning. I remember a comment a while back that the Tories pay for their social advertising while Momentum seemed to be able to make more use of their readership to like and share things and so got their views that way..
Which is utterly pointless if they are only reaching other leftwingers not swing voters
Trying to call Wrexham It voted 60:40 leave and has been an Ian Lucas's seat for a long time. Who has now stood aside. Don't have any input from the ground, but looked at the social media posts of the two main candidates Sarah Atherton, Tories : twitter 225 following and 881 followers Mary Wimbury, Labour: twitter 2,713 and 3,148 respectively Same goes for facebook too. Mary has neary 5 times more posts. Just looking at this, it suggests that Mary seems to be far more active and has a huge following, at least on the social media sites, than Sarah. Do local factors and local candidates also count? Or are Tories just hoping that Brexit is the myhtical Elixir to all.
Or is it that social media as a whole is more left leaning. I remember a comment a while back that the Tories pay for their social advertising while Momentum seemed to be able to make more use of their readership to like and share things and so got their views that way..
Which is utterly pointless if they are only reaching other leftwingers not swing voters
Social media is an echo chamber but most people don't understand that
I have found a clip of what Nish Kumar "comedy" routine that caused him to get boo'ed and go full Bercow....
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uOMCb0JYkI
The problem was he wasn't telling jokes, just attacking the audience for being what he presumably regarded as gammons.
And just kept on with the same act, after it became quite clear he'd lost the audience completely. Good comedians realise they're going down the wrong path and switch to other material, don't just double down on what those paying the bill don't like.
In this case, though, nobody was paying Nish Kumar. It was a charity gig, and he was doing it for free, so the degree of heckling does seem a bit on the harsh side!
Has he actually said he did the gig for free?
In my limited experience, entertainers do very little for free (especially at this time of year) unless it’s for their personal favourite charity.
They might cut their usual £20k corporate rate to £10k or even £5k, but that’s not the same.
5k to stand in front of a group of right-wing nutters, call them far-right nutters, then bitch about having bread thrown at you? Some people don't know they're born, they really don't.
They werent right wingers. They just wanted jokes, with a bit of joshing. His material is just relentless.
This is classic left leaning comedian meets the 80% of the population not on Twitter. I actually think Kumar is reasonably funny, but he bangs on and on about race. I hear him fairly regularly on the Bugle podcast which is pretty leftwing. I noticed on this weeks best of that Andy Zaltzman and John Oliver called NHS chronically underfunded in May 2010, so even 13 years of Labour Government couldn’t help it!
“When you ask a normal, right-handed person about something he’s supposed to have seen, if he looks upward and to his left, he’s truly accessing his memory of the incident,” Bouton says. “However, if he looks upward and to his right, he’s accessing his imagination, and he’s inventing an answer.”
Point of order. I think that's an urban myth popularised by the late 90s film "The Negotiator". I don't think it's true IRL. Happy to be contradicted if wrong.
Sharon Stone just opened her legs in "Basic Instinct"
Pretty stupid when you are hammering on trust to lie about something so innocuous. If he lies about that, what else is bullshit?
The idea that Corbyn is a new kind of honest politician is for the birds. This does seem a stupid thing to lie about but he has insisted that he has resolved issues related to anti Semitism, and that only the Top 5% of earners will pay more tax under labour so he clearly has no problem deceiving others.
It is why I find the Messiah complex, especially among the young so weird e.g. if Jezza he said the sort of iffy stuff about trans people he has about Jews, he would be dead to them. Instead, he hangs out with a load of people who hate the gays, and yet it still not an issue.
From last thread: Reply to Casino Royale on veganism:
It would also almost certainly lead to mass starvation if it were possible to immediately implement. Veganism is a fad for self righteous eccentrics.
The question I've never heard a vegetarian/vegan answer is what they expect to happen to all the animals we farm if overnight people stopped eating meat?
I expect it is the latter and I don't see how that would be any better. So I'm going to continue eating meat - to avoid a mass slaughter of animals.
There is an interesting section in Steven Pinker's latest book about this. Basically if we follow the eco-facists demands, massive reduction in meat, no GM, going back to "natural" foods (this in itself is hugely problematic as what most of them think are natural aren't). The amount of farmland required will have to expand massively and at a time when it is actually shrinking.
So to save the planet, we will actually have to chop down more trees to make space for more farmland.
the best approach is what is already happening gradually due to market forces: a shift to animal protein with a higher Feed Conversion Ratio
essentially Fish > Poultry > Pig > Beef
Insects are the best of all (they actually have an FCR>1) but i think culturally we have some distance to travel
The problem with this, though, is that the chart of decreasing FCR also looks a lot like the chart of increasing deliciousness.
Trying to call Wrexham It voted 60:40 leave and has been an Ian Lucas's seat for a long time. Who has now stood aside. Don't have any input from the ground, but looked at the social media posts of the two main candidates Sarah Atherton, Tories : twitter 225 following and 881 followers Mary Wimbury, Labour: twitter 2,713 and 3,148 respectively Same goes for facebook too. Mary has neary 5 times more posts. Just looking at this, it suggests that Mary seems to be far more active and has a huge following, at least on the social media sites, than Sarah. Do local factors and local candidates also count? Or are Tories just hoping that Brexit is the myhtical Elixir to all.
Not sure I would base expected voting patterns on someone’s twitter followers, to be honest.
If actual voting was based on twitter Labour would have had a landslide in 2017.
From last thread: Reply to Casino Royale on veganism:
It would also almost certainly lead to mass starvation if it were possible to immediately implement. Veganism is a fad for self righteous eccentrics.
The question I've never heard a vegetarian/vegan answer is what they expect to happen to all the animals we farm if overnight people stopped eating meat?
I expect it is the latter and I don't see how that would be any better. So I'm going to continue eating meat - to avoid a mass slaughter of animals.
There is an interesting section in Steven Pinker's latest book about this. Basically if we follow the eco-facists demands, massive reduction in meat, no GM, going back to "natural" foods (this in itself is hugely problematic as what most of them think are natural aren't). The amount of farmland required will have to expand massively and at a time when it is actually shrinking.
So to save the planet, we will actually have to chop down more trees to make space for more farmland.
the best approach is what is already happening gradually due to market forces: a shift to animal protein with a higher Feed Conversion Ratio
essentially Fish > Poultry > Pig > Beef
Insects are the best of all (they actually have an FCR>1) but i think culturally we have some distance to travel
The problem with this, though, is that the chart of decreasing FCR also looks a lot like the chart of increasing deliciousness.
And locusts aren't even vegetarian, let alone vegan
Just say no, its not difficult. I don't, I'd rather spend the time with my family. No reason not to say that.
Sounds as if he is like most people who are not determined either to watch it or miss it. A lot of families will have the telly on all day and if HMQ happens to be on, then are they watching it?
Exactly. Most sane people will have sometimes watched it and other times not. Many will not know what time it is despite having watched it sometimes.
Bullshit...everybody knows the Queen speech is on in the afternoon. Even those that don't watch it, normally so as to make sure you have something else queued up for the moving picture box at that time.
Hold on. Surely the Queen's Speech used to be on in the morning -- but on the radio -- and then repeated on telly in the afternoon? Is that no longer the case?
Trying to call Wrexham It voted 60:40 leave and has been an Ian Lucas's seat for a long time. Who has now stood aside. Don't have any input from the ground, but looked at the social media posts of the two main candidates Sarah Atherton, Tories : twitter 225 following and 881 followers Mary Wimbury, Labour: twitter 2,713 and 3,148 respectively Same goes for facebook too. Mary has neary 5 times more posts. Just looking at this, it suggests that Mary seems to be far more active and has a huge following, at least on the social media sites, than Sarah. Do local factors and local candidates also count? Or are Tories just hoping that Brexit is the myhtical Elixir to all.
Not sure I would base expected voting patterns on someone’s twitter followers, to be honest.
If actual voting was based on twitter Labour would have had a landslide in 2017.
If we could point them to Betfair betting exchange, it would help me pay for some nice plonk for Christmas...
Talking of which, Betfair has drifted a fair bit since this morning. Whatever rumour clearly went around somebody will money, they have backed off on it.
Just say no, its not difficult. I don't, I'd rather spend the time with my family. No reason not to say that.
Sounds as if he is like most people who are not determined either to watch it or miss it. A lot of families will have the telly on all day and if HMQ happens to be on, then are they watching it?
Exactly. Most sane people will have sometimes watched it and other times not. Many will not know what time it is despite having watched it sometimes.
Bullshit...everybody knows the Queen speech is on in the afternoon. Even those that don't watch it, normally so as to make sure you have something else queued up for the moving picture box at that time.
You do realise some people dont have a TV? And plenty of people with a TV only watch things on demand, so arent stuck to a fixed schedule?
All new phenomena. Anyone over 18 who has ever watched the QS knows it is on mid afternoon on xmas day.
Just say no, its not difficult. I don't, I'd rather spend the time with my family. No reason not to say that.
Sounds as if he is like most people who are not determined either to watch it or miss it. A lot of families will have the telly on all day and if HMQ happens to be on, then are they watching it?
Exactly. Most sane people will have sometimes watched it and other times not. Many will not know what time it is despite having watched it sometimes.
Bullshit...everybody knows the Queen speech is on in the afternoon. Even those that don't watch it, normally so as to make sure you have something else queued up for the moving picture box at that time.
Hold on. Surely the Queen's Speech used to be on in the morning -- but on the radio -- and then repeated on telly in the afternoon? Is that no longer the case?
It's been at 1500 since I can remember.
It's embargoed, so other places that broadcast wait until after the UK has gone first.
I can't find anything that says it was ever done in the morning? I'd be interested if anyone has anything to the contrary.
“When you ask a normal, right-handed person about something he’s supposed to have seen, if he looks upward and to his left, he’s truly accessing his memory of the incident,” Bouton says. “However, if he looks upward and to his right, he’s accessing his imagination, and he’s inventing an answer.”
Point of order. I think that's an urban myth popularised by the late 90s film "The Negotiator". I don't think it's true IRL. Happy to be contradicted if wrong.
Yes, that's total twaddle. It's a well know fact of psychology that there are no mannerisms that can be used to determine whether someone is lying.
Trying to call Wrexham It voted 60:40 leave and has been an Ian Lucas's seat for a long time. Who has now stood aside. Don't have any input from the ground, but looked at the social media posts of the two main candidates Sarah Atherton, Tories : twitter 225 following and 881 followers Mary Wimbury, Labour: twitter 2,713 and 3,148 respectively Same goes for facebook too. Mary has neary 5 times more posts. Just looking at this, it suggests that Mary seems to be far more active and has a huge following, at least on the social media sites, than Sarah. Do local factors and local candidates also count? Or are Tories just hoping that Brexit is the myhtical Elixir to all.
Or is it that social media as a whole is more left leaning. I remember a comment a while back that the Tories pay for their social advertising while Momentum seemed to be able to make more use of their readership to like and share things and so got their views that way..
Which is utterly pointless if they are only reaching other leftwingers not swing voters
I dont give Labour much chance of convincing swing voters. If they are to succeed (and its unlikely this time) their best hope may well be a massive turnout jump amongst the young triggered by use of social media.
But the essential judgement that must be made is on Mr Corbyn himself. His reluctance to apologise for the anti-Semitism in Labour and to take a stance on Brexit, the biggest issue facing the country, make him unfit to be prime minister.
Just say no, its not difficult. I don't, I'd rather spend the time with my family. No reason not to say that.
Sounds as if he is like most people who are not determined either to watch it or miss it. A lot of families will have the telly on all day and if HMQ happens to be on, then are they watching it?
Exactly. Most sane people will have sometimes watched it and other times not. Many will not know what time it is despite having watched it sometimes.
Bullshit...everybody knows the Queen speech is on in the afternoon. Even those that don't watch it, normally so as to make sure you have something else queued up for the moving picture box at that time.
Hold on. Surely the Queen's Speech used to be on in the morning -- but on the radio -- and then repeated on telly in the afternoon? Is that no longer the case?
It's been at 1500 since I can remember.
It's embargoed, so other places that broadcast wait until after the UK has gone first.
I can't find anything that says it was ever done in the morning? I'd be interested if anyone has anything to the contrary.
It was afternoon on the telly but in the morning on the radio. Am I showing my age here (or just wrong)?
Just say no, its not difficult. I don't, I'd rather spend the time with my family. No reason not to say that.
Sounds as if he is like most people who are not determined either to watch it or miss it. A lot of families will have the telly on all day and if HMQ happens to be on, then are they watching it?
Exactly. Most sane people will have sometimes watched it and other times not. Many will not know what time it is despite having watched it sometimes.
Bullshit...everybody knows the Queen speech is on in the afternoon. Even those that don't watch it, normally so as to make sure you have something else queued up for the moving picture box at that time.
Hold on. Surely the Queen's Speech used to be on in the morning -- but on the radio -- and then repeated on telly in the afternoon? Is that no longer the case?
It's been at 1500 since I can remember.
It's embargoed, so other places that broadcast wait until after the UK has gone first.
I can't find anything that says it was ever done in the morning? I'd be interested if anyone has anything to the contrary.
When Queenie first did it, it was 3pm and done live!
this is why Labour are going to lose so badly - Boris does a video to let you know he has a cheeky flapjack (almost winking at the female viewers as he does it) and says 16 hour work days are nothing to boast about because lots of people have long workdays (yes I understand you Mr shift worker) - Corbo lies about the Queen's speech, does EXERCISE on xmas day and wierds everyone out by droning on about his good works evangelising on the wonders of a socialist revolution to poor people who can't walk away, or they'll miss their christmas dinner and a decent bed.
Boris is a mendacious sod, he's a liar but he clearly isn't a weirdo - he's basically what he says he is - a gee-er-upper, a positive vibes machine, a can'do-otron, a flapjack-powered ball of chirpy optimism - forget the crazed and ever more desperate Labour promises - they could have walked this election and Blair would have done - Corbyn is an odd odd man and I think a lot of everyday people have realised that since 2017.
That is a fantastic summary of the appeal of Boris. He has flaws but ones like a lot of people.
I hold nothing against Corbyn and his hobbies, but drain cover and train spotting are not exactly popular, a dedication to Arsenal divisive. Jam making, allotments, teetotalism and Veganism not exactly breaking the model of a far left politician.
I think it is a damning indictment to say Ed Milliband would probably have walked this election.
Well here in Chipping Barnet I have still not seen any sign of any campaigning by anyone (other than leaflets through the post).
Nobody has canvassed the house and when driving around and shopping etc I have not seen any sign of any canvasser from any party anywhere.
It's probably Labour's top target in the entire country. The YouGov study had it neck-and-neck with both party's on 41%. I'm surprised you haven't seen any sign of campaigning.
Just say no, its not difficult. I don't, I'd rather spend the time with my family. No reason not to say that.
Sounds as if he is like most people who are not determined either to watch it or miss it. A lot of families will have the telly on all day and if HMQ happens to be on, then are they watching it?
Exactly. Most sane people will have sometimes watched it and other times not. Many will not know what time it is despite having watched it sometimes.
Bullshit...everybody knows the Queen speech is on in the afternoon. Even those that don't watch it, normally so as to make sure you have something else queued up for the moving picture box at that time.
Hold on. Surely the Queen's Speech used to be on in the morning -- but on the radio -- and then repeated on telly in the afternoon? Is that no longer the case?
It's been at 1500 since I can remember.
It's embargoed, so other places that broadcast wait until after the UK has gone first.
I can't find anything that says it was ever done in the morning? I'd be interested if anyone has anything to the contrary.
It was afternoon on the telly but in the morning on the radio. Am I showing my age here (or just wrong)?
I don't think its been that way since the 50s .... ?
Pretty stupid when you are hammering on trust to lie about something so innocuous. If he lies about that, what else is bullshit?
The idea that Corbyn is a new kind of honest politician is for the birds. This does seem a stupid thing to lie about but he has insisted that he has resolved issues related to anti Semitism, and that only the Top 5% of earners will pay more tax under labour so he clearly has no problem deceiving others.
It is why I find the Messiah complex, especially among the young so weird e.g. if Jezza he said the sort of iffy stuff about trans people he has about Jews, he would be dead to them. Instead, he hangs out with a load of people who hate the gays, and yet it still not an issue.
I have often wondered this. Maybe it is because he looks like an emaciated vegetarian Santa
Just say no, its not difficult. I don't, I'd rather spend the time with my family. No reason not to say that.
Sounds as if he is like most people who are not determined either to watch it or miss it. A lot of families will have the telly on all day and if HMQ happens to be on, then are they watching it?
Exactly. Most sane people will have sometimes watched it and other times not. Many will not know what time it is despite having watched it sometimes.
Bullshit...everybody knows the Queen speech is on in the afternoon. Even those that don't watch it, normally so as to make sure you have something else queued up for the moving picture box at that time.
You do realise some people dont have a TV? And plenty of people with a TV only watch things on demand, so arent stuck to a fixed schedule?
All new phenomena. Anyone over 18 who has ever watched the QS knows it is on mid afternoon on xmas day.
Regurgitating a previous answer doesn't make it correct. Simultaneously criticising Corbyn for not knowing what time the Queens speech is broadcast and claiming everyone knows what time it is on is nothing less than Id expect from political argument in 2019. Lets hope 2020 is a better year.
Just say no, its not difficult. I don't, I'd rather spend the time with my family. No reason not to say that.
Sounds as if he is like most people who are not determined either to watch it or miss it. A lot of families will have the telly on all day and if HMQ happens to be on, then are they watching it?
Exactly. Most sane people will have sometimes watched it and other times not. Many will not know what time it is despite having watched it sometimes.
Bullshit...everybody knows the Queen speech is on in the afternoon. Even those that don't watch it, normally so as to make sure you have something else queued up for the moving picture box at that time.
You do realise some people dont have a TV? And plenty of people with a TV only watch things on demand, so arent stuck to a fixed schedule?
Yes but unless he has Sky+ed collection of Queens Speeches then it is not possible that he watches it in the morning. He is a famous republican - why can’t he just say he doesn’t watch it.
this is why Labour are going to lose so badly - Boris does a video to let you know he has a cheeky flapjack (almost winking at the female viewers as he does it) and says 16 hour work days are nothing to boast about because lots of people have long workdays (yes I understand you Mr shift worker) - Corbo lies about the Queen's speech, does EXERCISE on xmas day and wierds everyone out by droning on about his good works evangelising on the wonders of a socialist revolution to poor people who can't walk away, or they'll miss their christmas dinner and a decent bed.
Boris is a mendacious sod, he's a liar but he clearly isn't a weirdo - he's basically what he says he is - a gee-er-upper, a positive vibes machine, a can'do-otron, a flapjack-powered ball of chirpy optimism - forget the crazed and ever more desperate Labour promises - they could have walked this election and Blair would have done - Corbyn is an odd odd man and I think a lot of everyday people have realised that since 2017.
This post is the classic mistake that everyone does sometimes, to extrapolate from one's own circle to hold forth on what "everyday people" are like.
They vary. But I'd think that only a minority watch the Queen's Speech nowadays, or care who else does. Boris seems much weirder and out of touch to me than Corbyn, but that just reflects my social circle. I'd have thought that Workington Man would think them both quite alien.
More hysteria by some in here who seem happy to give Bozo a free pass on everything but now are cremating a non story.
Nobody cares, that's the point. If he had just said, no don't watch it, nobody would have blinked an eyelid.
Its the problem when you set yourself up such a moral platform, that if you get caught out lying it is far worse. The reason Boris gets away with more, is he never claims to be whiter than whiter.
It is why Bill Clinton also got away with loads and on the flipside the Tories got killed by Back to Basics.
Just say no, its not difficult. I don't, I'd rather spend the time with my family. No reason not to say that.
Sounds as if he is like most people who are not determined either to watch it or miss it. A lot of families will have the telly on all day and if HMQ happens to be on, then are they watching it?
Exactly. Most sane people will have sometimes watched it and other times not. Many will not know what time it is despite having watched it sometimes.
Bullshit...everybody knows the Queen speech is on in the afternoon. Even those that don't watch it, normally so as to make sure you have something else queued up for the moving picture box at that time.
You do realise some people dont have a TV? And plenty of people with a TV only watch things on demand, so arent stuck to a fixed schedule?
Yes but unless he has Sky+ed collection of Queens Speeches then it is not possible that he watches it in the morning. He is a famous republican - why can’t he just say he doesn’t watch it.
Because he probably has sometimes watched it but doesnt always. Maybe he doesnt make the decision on whats on tv or whether its even on, it might be the kids, his missus, friends or relatives he might be hosting or staying with. Not everyone repeats exactly the same xmas day routine every year. At 70 his memory might not remember trivial details like when a program he has sometimes seen but has no interest in is on.
Just say no, its not difficult. I don't, I'd rather spend the time with my family. No reason not to say that.
Sounds as if he is like most people who are not determined either to watch it or miss it. A lot of families will have the telly on all day and if HMQ happens to be on, then are they watching it?
Exactly. Most sane people will have sometimes watched it and other times not. Many will not know what time it is despite having watched it sometimes.
Bullshit...everybody knows the Queen speech is on in the afternoon. Even those that don't watch it, normally so as to make sure you have something else queued up for the moving picture box at that time.
Hold on. Surely the Queen's Speech used to be on in the morning -- but on the radio -- and then repeated on telly in the afternoon? Is that no longer the case?
It's been at 1500 since I can remember.
It's embargoed, so other places that broadcast wait until after the UK has gone first.
I can't find anything that says it was ever done in the morning? I'd be interested if anyone has anything to the contrary.
It was afternoon on the telly but in the morning on the radio. Am I showing my age here (or just wrong)?
I don't think its been that way since the 50s .... ?
Just randomly checked 1980 and it was on the wireless in the morning. This site has all Radio Timeses (not sure about regional variations) until 2009.
But the essential judgement that must be made is on Mr Corbyn himself. His reluctance to apologise for the anti-Semitism in Labour and to take a stance on Brexit, the biggest issue facing the country, make him unfit to be prime minister.
And this is from the New Statesman.
Much is made of the declining calibre of our elected politicians, with some justification. But reading an article like that - pompous, sanctimonious and intellectually sophomoric - doesn't inspire confidence in the current cadre of journalists, either.
Just say no, its not difficult. I don't, I'd rather spend the time with my family. No reason not to say that.
Sounds as if he is like most people who are not determined either to watch it or miss it. A lot of families will have the telly on all day and if HMQ happens to be on, then are they watching it?
Exactly. Most sane people will have sometimes watched it and other times not. Many will not know what time it is despite having watched it sometimes.
Bullshit...everybody knows the Queen speech is on in the afternoon. Even those that don't watch it, normally so as to make sure you have something else queued up for the moving picture box at that time.
You do realise some people dont have a TV? And plenty of people with a TV only watch things on demand, so arent stuck to a fixed schedule?
All new phenomena. Anyone over 18 who has ever watched the QS knows it is on mid afternoon on xmas day.
Regurgitating a previous answer doesn't make it correct. Simultaneously criticising Corbyn for not knowing what time the Queens speech is broadcast and claiming everyone knows what time it is on is nothing less than Id expect from political argument in 2019. Lets hope 2020 is a better year.
The point is he lied about it, pointlessly. He can never have watched it 'in the morning' so has clearly never watched it. I've never watched it either, I don't see the need to lie and I'm also aware its a 3 o'clock thing by dint of being alive and not brain dead. Your argument can be reductio ad absurdumed to 'boo hoo my guy is a twat'
this is why Labour are going to lose so badly - Boris does a video to let you know he has a cheeky flapjack (almost winking at the female viewers as he does it) and says 16 hour work days are nothing to boast about because lots of people have long workdays (yes I understand you Mr shift worker) - Corbo lies about the Queen's speech, does EXERCISE on xmas day and wierds everyone out by droning on about his good works evangelising on the wonders of a socialist revolution to poor people who can't walk away, or they'll miss their christmas dinner and a decent bed.
Boris is a mendacious sod, he's a liar but he clearly isn't a weirdo - he's basically what he says he is - a gee-er-upper, a positive vibes machine, a can'do-otron, a flapjack-powered ball of chirpy optimism - forget the crazed and ever more desperate Labour promises - they could have walked this election and Blair would have done - Corbyn is an odd odd man and I think a lot of everyday people have realised that since 2017.
No Johnson is a weirdo, he's just also an extremely effective actor.
disagree but even if you are correct it's irrelevant - Boris a posho who knows how to be paternalistic - Corbs is an obsessive - he's Dave Spart come to life, a crank, a true believer in the benefits of a golden socialist tomorrow, a 'believer in history' and someone who clearly makes millions of old school Labour voters think he's not their cup of tea - from focus groups to leader ratings the story is the same. You carry on believing, but the voters will let you down I think.
Corbyn has realised he has to moderate his core beliefs for the general public. He's a staunch republican and has probably never willingly watched the Queen on Christmas Day but if he just came right out and said what he really thought, he'd get keelhauled so he's fudged his answer and comes across shifty. No better or worse than the vast majority of us when we're trying to be diplomatic I guess.
From last thread: Reply to Casino Royale on veganism:
It is not often I am in agreement with you CR, but I am on this. Veganism is the equivalent of evangelical fundamentalist religion. It's advocates give the impression of believing themselves to be morally superior to the rest of the human race, and some are highly militant, objectionable and sometimes violent.
It is also highly questionable as to whether veganism is "sustainable" from an environmental perspective. A wholesale move to the production of vegan produce would have to destroy many ecosystems that depend on grazing, and would make genuine organic production largely unviable. It would also almost certainly lead to mass starvation if it were possible to immediately implement. Veganism is a fad for self righteous eccentrics.
Every statement you've typed here after your first sentence is rubbish. Do you believe that abstention from cannibalism is morally superior to cannibalism? Or would that be too moralistic a view, sometimes enforced by violence, and smacking of self-righteousness? How about slavery? Medical experiments on slaves?
Precisely. He lies with consummate ease about the inanest non issues and then cant apologise properly for being a racist. Toxic. I see trump has done a bunk and announced Trudeau is a poo poo head.
I suspect his advisers told him that he had to say he did, because they were worried that it might play into the narrative / suspicions (especially among Northern voters) that he isn't really much of a fan of Britain.
Scottish Labour are currently FAV in just 2 of the country’s 59 seats (3.4%):
Edinburgh South 3/10 Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath 8/11
In the other 5 current SLab seats the SNP are FAV. Here are the SLab prices:
Coatbridge, Chryston and Bellshill 2/1 East Lothian 3/1 Glasgow North East 7/2 Midlothian 7/2 Rutherglen and Hamilton West 7/2
East Lothian stands out as a great price, due to the huge residual SCon/SLD vote (18,278 at GE17) in that area. Surely a few thousand will hold their noses and cast a vote for their Better Together pals?
this is why Labour are going to lose so badly - Boris does a video to let you know he has a cheeky flapjack (almost winking at the female viewers as he does it) and says 16 hour work days are nothing to boast about because lots of people have long workdays (yes I understand you Mr shift worker) - Corbo lies about the Queen's speech, does EXERCISE on xmas day and wierds everyone out by droning on about his good works evangelising on the wonders of a socialist revolution to poor people who can't walk away, or they'll miss their christmas dinner and a decent bed.
Boris is a mendacious sod, he's a liar but he clearly isn't a weirdo - he's basically what he says he is - a gee-er-upper, a positive vibes machine, a can'do-otron, a flapjack-powered ball of chirpy optimism - forget the crazed and ever more desperate Labour promises - they could have walked this election and Blair would have done - Corbyn is an odd odd man and I think a lot of everyday people have realised that since 2017.
This post is the classic mistake that everyone does sometimes, to extrapolate from one's own circle to hold forth on what "everyday people" are like.
They vary. But I'd think that only a minority watch the Queen's Speech nowadays, or care who else does. Boris seems much weirder and out of touch to me than Corbyn, but that just reflects my social circle. I'd have thought that Workington Man would think them both quite alien.
I am going by the evidence presented from focus groups and polling - my social cricle consists of Danes who don't even know there's an election on and British family who post endless streams of Corbynite stuff on Facebook so with all due respect the only projecting going on here is from you - I don't care who wins the election - the evidence suggests people have cooled on Corbyn but keep dreaming of the bright communist future Nick - maybe one day it will happen but not this election.
Scottish Labour are currently FAV in just 2 of the country’s 59 seats (3.4%):
Edinburgh South 3/10 Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath 8/11
In the other 5 current SLab seats the SNP are FAV. Here are the SLab prices:
Coatbridge, Chryston and Bellshill 2/1 East Lothian 3/1 Glasgow North East 7/2 Midlothian 7/2 Rutherglen and Hamilton West 7/2
East Lothian stands out as a great price, due to the huge residual /SLD vote (18,278 at GE17) in that area. Surely a few thousand will hold their noses and cast a vote for their Better Together pals?
I'm pretty sure East Lothian is Labour's second-best prospect rather than Kilmarnock.
But the essential judgement that must be made is on Mr Corbyn himself. His reluctance to apologise for the anti-Semitism in Labour and to take a stance on Brexit, the biggest issue facing the country, make him unfit to be prime minister.
And this is from the New Statesman.
Much is made of the declining calibre of our elected politicians, with some justification. But reading an article like that - pompous, sanctimonious and intellectually sophomoric - doesn't inspire confidence in the current cadre of journalists, either.
The article shows a quite wonderful degree of lack of self-awareness - complaining about 'the dismal state of our hyperpartisan media-political culture.'
Corbyn has realised he has to moderate his core beliefs for the general public. He's a staunch republican and has probably never willingly watched the Queen on Christmas Day but if he just came right out and said what he really thought, he'd get keelhauled so he's fudged his answer and comes across shifty. No better or worse than the vast majority of us when we're trying to be diplomatic I guess.
The diplomatic answer on this was easy. I have friends and family around throughout the day, visit others and its is very busy, so we don't really watch any tv.
This is true for the vast majority of people these days.
If really pushed, he could then say, I normally catch the clips on the news / internet later on.
Just say no, its not difficult. I don't, I'd rather spend the time with my family. No reason not to say that.
Sounds as if he is like most people who are not determined either to watch it or miss it. A lot of families will have the telly on all day and if HMQ happens to be on, then are they watching it?
Exactly. Most sane people will have sometimes watched it and other times not. Many will not know what time it is despite having watched it sometimes.
Bullshit...everybody knows the Queen speech is on in the afternoon. Even those that don't watch it, normally so as to make sure you have something else queued up for the moving picture box at that time.
You do realise some people dont have a TV? And plenty of people with a TV only watch things on demand, so arent stuck to a fixed schedule?
All new phenomena. Anyone over 18 who has ever watched the QS knows it is on mid afternoon on xmas day.
Regurgitating a previous answer doesn't make it correct. Simultaneously criticising Corbyn for not knowing what time the Queens speech is broadcast and claiming everyone knows what time it is on is nothing less than Id expect from political argument in 2019. Lets hope 2020 is a better year.
The point is he lied about it, pointlessly. He can never have watched it 'in the morning' so has clearly never watched it. I've never watched it either, I don't see the need to lie and I'm also aware its a 3 o'clock thing by dint of being alive and not brain dead. Your argument can be reductio ad absurdumed to 'boo hoo my guy is a twat'
Last post. My argument is many people are not details people, they dont remember specifics of times, dates, directions, peoples names. As people age these trends to get stronger, with grandparents often calling grandkids by their kids names for example.
Corbyn is not my guy at all, he is a disaster, but anyone finding fault in that interview is going to find fault in whatever he does.
To be fair to Trump, I think Justin is definitely two faced...one white, one black...
In all seriousness, I think Trudeau is definitely that kid at school who tries to be the cool one and befriend everybody by taking the piss out of the people he knows the group he is currently talking to doesn't like...and then moves to the next group and flips it around.
Yes, that's total twaddle. It's a well know fact of psychology that there are no mannerisms that can be used to determine whether someone is lying.
That's not entirely true. There are indicators, often very strong ones *but* they are localised to the individual and do not serve as predictors of the behaviour or tendencies of others.
I've seen this a lot when looking at user testing of digital services and content - when test subjects express a view that they think they should express and try to second-guess the research, rather than being honest and/or heartfelt.
Some people are impossible to read while others are dead giveaways and I'm not convinced it's related to intellect or mental sophistication. A few months back I was working with a group of people, one of whom had the most blatant 'tell', of which she was completely unaware. (Either that or it was a very elaborate act for some unfathomable reason).
She was a very bright, young Flight Lt. lovely girl and not someone that you'd think would be a deliberate or compulsive liar. But we realised early on, whenever she was reading something she was interested in, she'd sort of chew her upper lip on one side and go back and quickly re-read that line of content, or check out the image for a second time or whatever.
But when talking about her experiences with the UI, she'd try to say something blandly positive about everything, even though it was clearly untrue in parts. Where it *was* true, however, her face would slightly flinch towards a less exaggerated version of the thing she did when she liked what she saw/read.
On that basis I'd feel reasonably confident knowing when she really felt or believed something and when she was soft-lying or just not really bothered.
I'd have liked to have confronted her or had a conversation about it, but obviously that wouldn't have been the thing to do. More frustratingly, her officially recorded responses were arguably not very accurate or helpful to the project and there was f-all we could do about that.
Just say no, its not difficult. I don't, I'd rather spend the time with my family. No reason not to say that.
Sounds as if he is like most people who are not determined either to watch it or miss it. A lot of families will have the telly on all day and if HMQ happens to be on, then are they watching it?
Exactly. Most sane people will have sometimes watched it and other times not. Many will not know what time it is despite having watched it sometimes.
Bullshit...everybody knows the Queen speech is on in the afternoon. Even those that don't watch it, normally so as to make sure you have something else queued up for the moving picture box at that time.
Hold on. Surely the Queen's Speech used to be on in the morning -- but on the radio -- and then repeated on telly in the afternoon? Is that no longer the case?
First Queen's Speech was at 3.07pm, Christmas 1952
Corbyn has realised he has to moderate his core beliefs for the general public. He's a staunch republican and has probably never willingly watched the Queen on Christmas Day but if he just came right out and said what he really thought, he'd get keelhauled so he's fudged his answer and comes across shifty. No better or worse than the vast majority of us when we're trying to be diplomatic I guess.
I've never watched the Queen's Speech on Christmas Day, and I'm not a republican like Corbyn is. So I find it bizarre that he pretends to have watched it.
Scottish Labour are currently FAV in just 2 of the country’s 59 seats (3.4%):
Edinburgh South 3/10 Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath 8/11
In the other 5 current SLab seats the SNP are FAV. Here are the SLab prices:
Coatbridge, Chryston and Bellshill 2/1 East Lothian 3/1 Glasgow North East 7/2 Midlothian 7/2 Rutherglen and Hamilton West 7/2
East Lothian stands out as a great price, due to the huge residual /SLD vote (18,278 at GE17) in that area. Surely a few thousand will hold their noses and cast a vote for their Better Together pals?
I'm pretty sure East Lothian is Labour's second-best prospect rather than Kilmarnock.
Kilmarnock is a safe SNP seat (SNP currently 1/20). You mean Kirkcaldy, on the other side of the country, in Fife. Lesley Laird, the Shadow Secretary of State for Scotland, has no SNP opponent. The party have withdrawn support.
“When you ask a normal, right-handed person about something he’s supposed to have seen, if he looks upward and to his left, he’s truly accessing his memory of the incident,” Bouton says. “However, if he looks upward and to his right, he’s accessing his imagination, and he’s inventing an answer.”
Point of order. I think that's an urban myth popularised by the late 90s film "The Negotiator". I don't think it's true IRL. Happy to be contradicted if wrong.
Yes, that's total twaddle. It's a well know fact of psychology that there are no mannerisms that can be used to determine whether someone is lying.
There aren't any that will always tell you for all people, but there certainly are some that will tell you much of the time for many people.
The reference to the diagonal upward eye movement isn't from a late 1990s film. It's in neurolinguistic programming 101 (which will almost certainly be where that film got it from). See Bandler and Grinder's Frogs into Princes from the 1970s.
Corbyn has realised he has to moderate his core beliefs for the general public. He's a staunch republican and has probably never willingly watched the Queen on Christmas Day but if he just came right out and said what he really thought, he'd get keelhauled so he's fudged his answer and comes across shifty. No better or worse than the vast majority of us when we're trying to be diplomatic I guess.
I've never watched the Queen's Speech on Christmas Day, and I'm not a republican like Corbyn is. So I find it bizarre that he pretends to have watched it.
With respect, Andy, you ain't asking the population to vote you in as PM. I never watch it but I can understand Corbyn trying not to scare the horses. He could have answered it a lot more diplomatically, but he got stuck and dug deeper.
Julie Etchingham: 'John McDonnell said he wouldn't move into number eleven. He'd allow a homeless family to live there.
'Would you consider giving up Chequers if you were Prime Minister?'
Jeremy Corbyn: 'I would indeed. It can't be right.
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Julie Etchingham: 'What's the most romantic thing you ever did?'
Jeremy Corbyn: 'Wow. That's a hard one. Nobody ever thinks of me as romantic.'
Julie Etchingham: 'So there is no romance that Jeremy Corbyn could offer to…What is the most romantic sort of wild and reckless thing you've ever done?'
Jeremy Corbyn: 'You can't ask that question on television.'
Julie Etchingham: 'Yes I can.'
Jeremy Corbyn: 'You can't ask that... It's…'
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It makes the Maybot look normal. You know Boris would say something terribly cheeky and give everybody a laugh.
More hysteria by some in here who seem happy to give Bozo a free pass on everything but now are cremating a non story.
Nobody cares, that's the point. If he had just said, no don't watch it, nobody would have blinked an eyelid.
Its the problem when you set yourself up such a moral platform, that if you get caught out lying it is far worse. The reason Boris gets away with more, is he never claims to be whiter than whiter.
It is why Bill Clinton also got away with loads and on the flipside the Tories got killed by Back to Basics.
I think that is a good point but there's another element that gets overlooked which is that people are happy to let things slide for those they want to let things slide for.
People had had enough of the Tories by Back to Basics while there was an alternative they were happy with so they got killed. A lot of people liked Bill Clinton to they let his fallibilities slide.
As a specific Tory example had Major's affair with Edwina Currie come out while he was PM during Back to Basics it would have been a major scandal probably. When it came out decades later when Major was looked back on via rose tinted glasses the story just seemed amusing.
Boris gets away with stuff both because he's not a hypocrite and because he is liked.
Julie Etchingham: 'John McDonnell said he wouldn't move into number eleven. He'd allow a homeless family to live there.
'Would you consider giving up Chequers if you were Prime Minister?'
Jeremy Corbyn: 'I would indeed. It can't be right.
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Julie Etchingham: 'What's the most romantic thing you ever did?'
Jeremy Corbyn: 'Wow. That's a hard one. Nobody ever thinks of me as romantic.'
Julie Etchingham: 'So there is no romance that Jeremy Corbyn could offer to…What is the most romantic sort of wild and reckless thing you've ever done?'
Jeremy Corbyn: 'You can't ask that question on television.'
Julie Etchingham: 'Yes I can.'
Jeremy Corbyn: 'You can't ask that... It's…'
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It makes the Maybot look normal. You know Boris would say something terribly cheeky and give everybody a laugh.
If he manages to make people thinks he’s a robot as well as everything else.... Jesus. How low can personal ratings go?
From last thread: Reply to Casino Royale on veganism:
It is not often I am in agreement with you CR, but I am on this. Veganism is the equivalent of evangelical fundamentalist religion. It's advocates give the impression of believing themselves to be morally superior to the rest of the human race, and some are highly militant, objectionable and sometimes violent.
It is also highly questionable as to whether veganism is "sustainable" from an environmental perspective. A wholesale move to the production of vegan produce would have to destroy many ecosystems that depend on grazing, and would make genuine organic production largely unviable. It would also almost certainly lead to mass starvation if it were possible to immediately implement. Veganism is a fad for self righteous eccentrics.
Every statement you've typed here after your first sentence is rubbish. Do you believe that abstention from cannibalism is morally superior to cannibalism? Or would that be too moralistic a view, sometimes enforced by violence, and smacking of self-righteousness? How about slavery? Medical experiments on slaves?
Oh dear. You have precisely the views I was referring to. Your post probably takes the prize for the most stupid I have read on here.
Along with most reasonable sane people, I don't make equivalence between animals that are bred to be eaten, or even pets, and human beings.
I very much love my dogs, but if I had to make a choice between saving my own dog from a fire and a child from a family I do not know I would chose the child every time, obviously. Maybe you would chose the dog, or perhaps a cockroach - I mean, in your rather weird vegan world we must not be "speciesist" must we? Is there any species hierarchy in your world? No? What about when you grow your lentils, surely you must be careful not to kill any flies when harvesting? The whole philosophy of extreme vegetarianism and veganism is morally and intellectually vacuous.
There is no moral equivalence between eating meat and cannibalism, slavery or medical experimentation, unless you are a psychopath. I feel sorry for you.
Julie Etchingham: 'John McDonnell said he wouldn't move into number eleven. He'd allow a homeless family to live there.
'Would you consider giving up Chequers if you were Prime Minister?'
Jeremy Corbyn: 'I would indeed. It can't be right.
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Julie Etchingham: 'What's the most romantic thing you ever did?'
Jeremy Corbyn: 'Wow. That's a hard one. Nobody ever thinks of me as romantic.'
Julie Etchingham: 'So there is no romance that Jeremy Corbyn could offer to…What is the most romantic sort of wild and reckless thing you've ever done?'
Jeremy Corbyn: 'You can't ask that question on television.'
Julie Etchingham: 'Yes I can.'
Jeremy Corbyn: 'You can't ask that... It's…'
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It makes the Maybot look normal. You know Boris would say something terribly cheeky and give everybody a laugh.
I'd guess the acts most valued in Jeremy's past by lovers and wives would be granting divorces without too much fuss. Hes pretty efficient at it now.
Just say no, its not difficult. I don't, I'd rather spend the time with my family. No reason not to say that.
Sounds as if he is like most people who are not determined either to watch it or miss it. A lot of families will have the telly on all day and if HMQ happens to be on, then are they watching it?
Exactly. Most sane people will have sometimes watched it and other times not. Many will not know what time it is despite having watched it sometimes.
Bullshit...everybody knows the Queen speech is on in the afternoon. Even those that don't watch it, normally so as to make sure you have something else queued up for the moving picture box at that time.
Hold on. Surely the Queen's Speech used to be on in the morning -- but on the radio -- and then repeated on telly in the afternoon? Is that no longer the case?
It's been at 1500 since I can remember.
It's embargoed, so other places that broadcast wait until after the UK has gone first.
I can't find anything that says it was ever done in the morning? I'd be interested if anyone has anything to the contrary.
Yep, 1500. When I was a kid the deal was that we didn’t get any presents until it had finished. So I remember very well when it was
Trying to call Wrexham It voted 60:40 leave and has been an Ian Lucas's seat for a long time. Who has now stood aside. Don't have any input from the ground, but looked at the social media posts of the two main candidates Sarah Atherton, Tories : twitter 225 following and 881 followers Mary Wimbury, Labour: twitter 2,713 and 3,148 respectively Same goes for facebook too. Mary has neary 5 times more posts. Just looking at this, it suggests that Mary seems to be far more active and has a huge following, at least on the social media sites, than Sarah. Do local factors and local candidates also count? Or are Tories just hoping that Brexit is the myhtical Elixir to all.
Or is it that social media as a whole is more left leaning. I remember a comment a while back that the Tories pay for their social advertising while Momentum seemed to be able to make more use of their readership to like and share things and so got their views that way..
Which is utterly pointless if they are only reaching other leftwingers not swing voters
It's my local town.
It's a hard one to call. There is a strong Leave sentiment and an anti-Corbyn backlash, but it seems to me it is not as strong and the tribal vote perhaps a bit stronger than seems to be the case in other parts of the country.
There is a strong feeling that the the NHS in Labour-run Wales is a car crash and the local health board is not well respected.
The previous Tory candidate was well respected local councillor and a very hard worker over two successive elections. I am sure he would have taken the seat this time, especially as Ian Lucas has stood down which weakens the tribal vote. The new candidate is not as well like, and apparently doesn't get on with the former candidate. The activist team appears quite small too - judging by social media pictures.
Just after the gun was fired, I placed small bets on a Tory gain. I'm less confident now. Ditto my seat of Alyn and Deeside. I have a feeling the Tories locally may underperform again... it will all come down to the strength of the Conservative campaign in the final week. If Boris comes out performing hard and attacking Corbyn on all fronts then I think they could both be won - otherwise they could both be a narrow loss again.
Trying to call Wrexham It voted 60:40 leave and has been an Ian Lucas's seat for a long time. Who has now stood aside. Don't have any input from the ground, but looked at the social media posts of the two main candidates Sarah Atherton, Tories : twitter 225 following and 881 followers Mary Wimbury, Labour: twitter 2,713 and 3,148 respectively Same goes for facebook too. Mary has neary 5 times more posts. Just looking at this, it suggests that Mary seems to be far more active and has a huge following, at least on the social media sites, than Sarah. Do local factors and local candidates also count? Or are Tories just hoping that Brexit is the myhtical Elixir to all.
Not sure I would base expected voting patterns on someone’s twitter followers, to be honest.
If actual voting was based on twitter Labour would have had a landslide in 2017.
I’d have to check back, but I thought that they did?
this is why Labour are going to lose so badly - Boris does a video to let you know he has a cheeky flapjack (almost winking at the female viewers as he does it) and says 16 hour work days are nothing to boast about because lots of people have long workdays (yes I understand you Mr shift worker) - Corbo lies about the Queen's speech, does EXERCISE on xmas day and wierds everyone out by droning on about his good works evangelising on the wonders of a socialist revolution to poor people who can't walk away, or they'll miss their christmas dinner and a decent bed.
Boris is a mendacious sod, he's a liar but he clearly isn't a weirdo - he's basically what he says he is - a gee-er-upper, a positive vibes machine, a can'do-otron, a flapjack-powered ball of chirpy optimism - forget the crazed and ever more desperate Labour promises - they could have walked this election and Blair would have done - Corbyn is an odd odd man and I think a lot of everyday people have realised that since 2017.
That is a fantastic summary of the appeal of Boris. He has flaws but ones like a lot of people.
I hold nothing against Corbyn and his hobbies, but drain cover and train spotting are not exactly popular, a dedication to Arsenal divisive. Jam making, allotments, teetotalism and Veganism not exactly breaking the model of a far left politician.
I think it is a damning indictment to say Ed Milliband would probably have walked this election.
I think Johnson is lucky to have the gene that companion dogs have that make them appealing to humans. It is a muscle around their eyes. Dogs have evolved over 100,000 years to be appealing to humans who kept the dogs with the gene and kicked out the dogs without.
It makes a person (and a dog) appear likeable. Carolyn Lucas has it. So does Ken Clarke. Keir Starmer doesn't. Neither does Jo Swinson.
With reference to an article which appeared in the Telegraph on May 15th 2018, it should be obvious that Trump is interested in the NHS. This article written by David Millward quotes Trump as wanting to 'force the NHS to pay more for drugs.'
There is no ambiguity there and the Telegraph is not known for supporting Labour.
If we are in dire need of a trade deal with the US, access of their pharma to the NHS at attractive (for them) prices WILL be 'on the table'. More than that, it will be a sine qua non for them. And given they will have the balance of power in the negotiation it is certain to happen. The only question is to what degree. This has little to do with the risible Trump. Take him out of the equation and the fundamentals remain. Maybe Bernie or Warren might make a material difference but it does not look like either of them are going to make it.
Status quo of UK - US trade is WTO terms. What dire scenario are you imagining that a UK PM and majority of Parliament are prepared to end their careers by yielding on this point in order to get a trade deal in place?
This is puerile playground stuff.
WTO terms aren't great and I think they are worse than what we currently have.
However insisting on increased pharma pricing for the NHS would make getting a trade deal utterly impossible.
As an aside will the WTO even exist by the time we leave the EU?Unless Trump approves some judges it won't have enough to do anything.
You are aware that the EU and US trade according to the WTO tariff schedule?
Trying to call Wrexham It voted 60:40 leave and has been an Ian Lucas's seat for a long time. Who has now stood aside. Don't have any input from the ground, but looked at the social media posts of the two main candidates Sarah Atherton, Tories : twitter 225 following and 881 followers Mary Wimbury, Labour: twitter 2,713 and 3,148 respectively Same goes for facebook too. Mary has neary 5 times more posts. Just looking at this, it suggests that Mary seems to be far more active and has a huge following, at least on the social media sites, than Sarah. Do local factors and local candidates also count? Or are Tories just hoping that Brexit is the myhtical Elixir to all.
Or is it that social media as a whole is more left leaning. I remember a comment a while back that the Tories pay for their social advertising while Momentum seemed to be able to make more use of their readership to like and share things and so got their views that way..
Which is utterly pointless if they are only reaching other leftwingers not swing voters
It's my local town.
It's a hard one to call. There is a strong Leave sentiment and an anti-Corbyn backlash, but it seems to me it is not as strong and the tribal vote perhaps a bit stronger than seems to be the case in other parts of the country.
There is a strong feeling that the the NHS in Labour-run Wales is a car crash and the local health board is not well respected.
The previous Tory candidate was well respected local councillor and a very hard worker over two successive elections. I am sure he would have taken the seat this time, especially as Ian Lucas has stood down which weakens the tribal vote. The new candidate is not as well like, and apparently doesn't get on with the former candidate. The activist team appears quite small too - judging by social media pictures.
Just after the gun was fired, I placed small bets on a Tory gain. I'm less confident now. Ditto my seat of Alyn and Deeside. I have a feeling the Tories locally may underperform again... it will all come down to the strength of the Conservative campaign in the final week. If Boris comes out performing hard and attacking Corbyn on all fronts then I think they could both be won - otherwise they could both be a narrow loss again.
Some good examples of how and where lazy ChickenBozo is letting the Tories down.
this is why Labour are going to lose so badly - Boris does a video to let you know he has a cheeky flapjack (almost winking at the female viewers as he does it) and says 16 hour work days are nothing to boast about because lots of people have long workdays (yes I understand you Mr shift worker) - Corbo lies about the Queen's speech, does EXERCISE on xmas day and wierds everyone out by droning on about his good works evangelising on the wonders of a socialist revolution to poor people who can't walk away, or they'll miss their christmas dinner and a decent bed.
Boris is a mendacious sod, he's a liar but he clearly isn't a weirdo - he's basically what he says he is - a gee-er-upper, a positive vibes machine, a can'do-otron, a flapjack-powered ball of chirpy optimism - forget the crazed and ever more desperate Labour promises - they could have walked this election and Blair would have done - Corbyn is an odd odd man and I think a lot of everyday people have realised that since 2017.
This post is the classic mistake that everyone does sometimes, to extrapolate from one's own circle to hold forth on what "everyday people" are like.
They vary. But I'd think that only a minority watch the Queen's Speech nowadays, or care who else does. Boris seems much weirder and out of touch to me than Corbyn, but that just reflects my social circle. I'd have thought that Workington Man would think them both quite alien.
I am going by the evidence presented from focus groups and polling - my social cricle consists of Danes who don't even know there's an election on and British family who post endless streams of Corbynite stuff on Facebook so with all due respect the only projecting going on here is from you - I don't care who wins the election - the evidence suggests people have cooled on Corbyn but keep dreaming of the bright communist future Nick - maybe one day it will happen but not this election.
It doesn't matter what most people do. It matters what the switchers think in this election.
Labour Leave voters are by all accounts older, traditional and more patriotic (and WWC). They will determine the outcome of this election and they will be more attracted by Boris' approach than Corbyn's pretence that he's present but not participating when the Queen's Speech is on.
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The CIA seem to believe in it anyway. See here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pni_kDv9BsU
Hastings & Rye
Chipping Barnet
Bishop Auckland
Newcastle-under-Lyme
Southampton, Itchen
Crewe & Nantwich
Edinburgh WestDudley North
Preseli Pembrokeshire
Bedford
Keighley
Hopefully we’ll get a splurge over the weekend?
Talking of which, Betfair has drifted a fair bit since this morning. Whatever rumour clearly went around somebody will money, they have backed off on it.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/12/leader-britain-deserves-better
It's embargoed, so other places that broadcast wait until after the UK has gone first.
I can't find anything that says it was ever done in the morning? I'd be interested if anyone has anything to the contrary.
And this is from the New Statesman.
Nobody has canvassed the house and when driving around and shopping etc I have not seen any sign of any canvasser from any party anywhere.
I hold nothing against Corbyn and his hobbies, but drain cover and train spotting are not exactly popular, a dedication to Arsenal divisive. Jam making, allotments, teetotalism and Veganism not exactly breaking the model of a far left politician.
I think it is a damning indictment to say Ed Milliband would probably have walked this election.
Here is a stash of old Radio Timeses.
https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/
More hysteria by some in here who seem happy to give Bozo a free pass on everything but now are cremating a non story.
When I have finished with the Tories, there is plenty left over for the likes of him.
They vary. But I'd think that only a minority watch the Queen's Speech nowadays, or care who else does. Boris seems much weirder and out of touch to me than Corbyn, but that just reflects my social circle. I'd have thought that Workington Man would think them both quite alien.
Its the problem when you set yourself up such a moral platform, that if you get caught out lying it is far worse. The reason Boris gets away with more, is he never claims to be whiter than whiter.
It is why Bill Clinton also got away with loads and on the flipside the Tories got killed by Back to Basics.
https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/radio4/fm/1980-12-25
Your argument can be reductio ad absurdumed to 'boo hoo my guy is a twat'
https://twitter.com/NickBoles/status/1202171400880115712
No better or worse than the vast majority of us when we're trying to be diplomatic I guess.
Still very quiet round here. Again nobody at the farmers' market, nothing on the High Road, even the fake newspapers have slowed to one a week.
Suggests that it has been written off as a Lab hold, and everyone is in F&GG or Kensington...
Toxic.
I see trump has done a bunk and announced Trudeau is a poo poo head.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/12/leader-britain-deserves-better
https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1202220023730839555?s=20
Edinburgh South 3/10
Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath 8/11
In the other 5 current SLab seats the SNP are FAV. Here are the SLab prices:
Coatbridge, Chryston and Bellshill 2/1
East Lothian 3/1
Glasgow North East 7/2
Midlothian 7/2
Rutherglen and Hamilton West 7/2
East Lothian stands out as a great price, due to the huge residual SCon/SLD vote (18,278 at GE17) in that area. Surely a few thousand will hold their noses and cast a vote for their Better Together pals?
Well, quite.
This is true for the vast majority of people these days.
If really pushed, he could then say, I normally catch the clips on the news / internet later on.
Corbyn is not my guy at all, he is a disaster, but anyone finding fault in that interview is going to find fault in whatever he does.
In all seriousness, I think Trudeau is definitely that kid at school who tries to be the cool one and befriend everybody by taking the piss out of the people he knows the group he is currently talking to doesn't like...and then moves to the next group and flips it around.
And given the choices that Labour will have after the election Jess Phillips could be their best option (as there are so few good options available).
That's not entirely true. There are indicators, often very strong ones *but* they are localised to the individual and do not serve as predictors of the behaviour or tendencies of others.
I've seen this a lot when looking at user testing of digital services and content - when test subjects express a view that they think they should express and try to second-guess the research, rather than being honest and/or heartfelt.
Some people are impossible to read while others are dead giveaways and I'm not convinced it's related to intellect or mental sophistication. A few months back I was working with a group of people, one of whom had the most blatant 'tell', of which she was completely unaware. (Either that or it was a very elaborate act for some unfathomable reason).
She was a very bright, young Flight Lt. lovely girl and not someone that you'd think would be a deliberate or compulsive liar. But we realised early on, whenever she was reading something she was interested in, she'd sort of chew her upper lip on one side and go back and quickly re-read that line of content, or check out the image for a second time or whatever.
But when talking about her experiences with the UI, she'd try to say something blandly positive about everything, even though it was clearly untrue in parts. Where it *was* true, however, her face would slightly flinch towards a less exaggerated version of the thing she did when she liked what she saw/read.
On that basis I'd feel reasonably confident knowing when she really felt or believed something and when she was soft-lying or just not really bothered.
I'd have liked to have confronted her or had a conversation about it, but obviously that wouldn't have been the thing to do. More frustratingly, her officially recorded responses were arguably not very accurate or helpful to the project and there was f-all we could do about that.
Is the first part of that so hard to say in public?
And if you look at the electorate for the next Labour leader a lot of the better options are not going to win the membership vote.
The reference to the diagonal upward eye movement isn't from a late 1990s film. It's in neurolinguistic programming 101 (which will almost certainly be where that film got it from). See Bandler and Grinder's Frogs into Princes from the 1970s.
Julie Etchingham: 'John McDonnell said he wouldn't move into number eleven. He'd allow a homeless family to live there.
'Would you consider giving up Chequers if you were Prime Minister?'
Jeremy Corbyn: 'I would indeed. It can't be right.
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Julie Etchingham: 'What's the most romantic thing you ever did?'
Jeremy Corbyn: 'Wow. That's a hard one. Nobody ever thinks of me as romantic.'
Julie Etchingham: 'So there is no romance that Jeremy Corbyn could offer to…What is the most romantic sort of wild and reckless thing you've ever done?'
Jeremy Corbyn: 'You can't ask that question on television.'
Julie Etchingham: 'Yes I can.'
Jeremy Corbyn: 'You can't ask that... It's…'
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It makes the Maybot look normal. You know Boris would say something terribly cheeky and give everybody a laugh.
People had had enough of the Tories by Back to Basics while there was an alternative they were happy with so they got killed.
A lot of people liked Bill Clinton to they let his fallibilities slide.
As a specific Tory example had Major's affair with Edwina Currie come out while he was PM during Back to Basics it would have been a major scandal probably. When it came out decades later when Major was looked back on via rose tinted glasses the story just seemed amusing.
Boris gets away with stuff both because he's not a hypocrite and because he is liked.
Along with most reasonable sane people, I don't make equivalence between animals that are bred to be eaten, or even pets, and human beings.
I very much love my dogs, but if I had to make a choice between saving my own dog from a fire and a child from a family I do not know I would chose the child every time, obviously. Maybe you would chose the dog, or perhaps a cockroach - I mean, in your rather weird vegan world we must not be "speciesist" must we? Is there any species hierarchy in your world? No? What about when you grow your lentils, surely you must be careful not to kill any flies when harvesting? The whole philosophy of extreme vegetarianism and veganism is morally and intellectually vacuous.
There is no moral equivalence between eating meat and cannibalism, slavery or medical experimentation, unless you are a psychopath. I feel sorry for you.
Teddy bear about to be dismembered with a plastic meat cleaver.
Would I ever watch the Queen's Speech? Never in a million years. Boring and a bit of a vibe killer.
Not bothered by Corbyn not watching it but it is amusing seeing him lie so blatantly.
It's a hard one to call. There is a strong Leave sentiment and an anti-Corbyn backlash, but it seems to me it is not as strong and the tribal vote perhaps a bit stronger than seems to be the case in other parts of the country.
There is a strong feeling that the the NHS in Labour-run Wales is a car crash and the local health board is not well respected.
The previous Tory candidate was well respected local councillor and a very hard worker over two successive elections. I am sure he would have taken the seat this time, especially as Ian Lucas has stood down which weakens the tribal vote. The new candidate is not as well like, and apparently doesn't get on with the former candidate. The activist team appears quite small too - judging by social media pictures.
Just after the gun was fired, I placed small bets on a Tory gain. I'm less confident now. Ditto my seat of Alyn and Deeside. I have a feeling the Tories locally may underperform again... it will all come down to the strength of the Conservative campaign in the final week. If Boris comes out performing hard and attacking Corbyn on all fronts then I think they could both be won - otherwise they could both be a narrow loss again.
It makes a person (and a dog) appear likeable. Carolyn Lucas has it. So does Ken Clarke. Keir Starmer doesn't. Neither does Jo Swinson.
Labour Leave voters are by all accounts older, traditional and more patriotic (and WWC). They will determine the outcome of this election and they will be more attracted by Boris' approach than Corbyn's pretence that he's present but not participating when the Queen's Speech is on.
https://twitter.com/MichaelLCrick/status/1201816616532631552