Three days after the Islamist terror on London Bridge, and the Labour Party think it’s a good idea to tweet THAT?
Their campaign is falling apart.
What on earth are they doing? They'll never lose the ultra Conservative Muslim vote but they're clearly not trying to win back the 'I think it's ridiculous women should cover their faces' vote.
I have found a clip of what Nish Kumar "comedy" routine that caused him to get boo'ed and go full Bercow....
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uOMCb0JYkI
The problem was he wasn't telling jokes, just attacking the audience for being what he presumably regarded as gammons.
And just kept on with the same act, after it became quite clear he'd lost the audience completely. Good comedians realise they're going down the wrong path and switch to other material, don't just double down on what those paying the bill don't like.
In this case, though, nobody was paying Nish Kumar. It was a charity gig, and he was doing it for free, so the degree of heckling does seem a bit on the harsh side!
Who says Jezza can't lie....its just he can't lie very well....now where's that seat on the train.
On shit like this why doesn't he just tell the truth and say no I don't watch it. The only people who would get really angry about him saying he doesn't ain't considering voting for him anyway.
I have found a clip of what Nish Kumar "comedy" routine that caused him to get boo'ed and go full Bercow....
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uOMCb0JYkI
The problem was he wasn't telling jokes, just attacking the audience for being what he presumably regarded as gammons.
And just kept on with the same act, after it became quite clear he'd lost the audience completely. Good comedians realise they're going down the wrong path and switch to other material, don't just double down on what those paying the bill don't like.
In this case, though, nobody was paying Nish Kumar. It was a charity gig, and he was doing it for free, so the degree of heckling does seem a bit on the harsh side!
If I was called a far right racist, I think it is fairly likely I would be heckling....free or not.
Who says Jezza can't lie....its just he can't lie very well....now where's that seat on the train.
On shit like this why doesn't he just tell the truth and say no I don't watch it. The only people who would get really angry about him saying he doesn't ain't considering voting for him anyway.
With reference to an article which appeared in the Telegraph on May 15th 2018, it should be obvious that Trump is interested in the NHS. This article written by David Millward quotes Trump as wanting to 'force the NHS to pay more for drugs.'
There is no ambiguity there and the Telegraph is not known for supporting Labour.
Over what time frame? 5 people, one cow, one year sounds about right. Although for everyone like me who'd happily eat a kilo of steak a day, there will be a few who don't eat any, or just an occasional small portion.
Ah yes, so over a year, say, that sounds more reasonable. I was more thinking at one sitting. In which case, 50 would seem about right.
I have found a clip of what Nish Kumar "comedy" routine that caused him to get boo'ed and go full Bercow....
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uOMCb0JYkI
The problem was he wasn't telling jokes, just attacking the audience for being what he presumably regarded as gammons.
And just kept on with the same act, after it became quite clear he'd lost the audience completely. Good comedians realise they're going down the wrong path and switch to other material, don't just double down on what those paying the bill don't like.
In this case, though, nobody was paying Nish Kumar. It was a charity gig, and he was doing it for free, so the degree of heckling does seem a bit on the harsh side!
They were annoyed he wasn't telling any funny jokes, which is why he was there.
Trying to call Wrexham It voted 60:40 leave and has been an Ian Lucas's seat for a long time. Who has now stood aside. Don't have any input from the ground, but looked at the social media posts of the two main candidates Sarah Atherton, Tories : twitter 225 following and 881 followers Mary Wimbury, Labour: twitter 2,713 and 3,148 respectively Same goes for facebook too. Mary has neary 5 times more posts. Just looking at this, it suggests that Mary seems to be far more active and has a huge following, at least on the social media sites, than Sarah. Do local factors and local candidates also count? Or are Tories just hoping that Brexit is the myhtical Elixir to all.
Who says Jezza can't lie....its just he can't lie very well....now where's that seat on the train.
On shit like this why doesn't he just tell the truth and say no I don't watch it. The only people who would get really angry about him saying he doesn't ain't considering voting for him anyway.
It has normally been leaked to death well before 3 pm, it is so embarrassingly vapid that the truly monarchist approach is *not* to watch HM humiliating herself, and its main function is to enable the gammonious to assert their quintessential gammonhood by standing to fucking attention for the national fucking anthem afterwards.
Each to their own but why the fuck would you want to spend your life covered up like that? All it screams to me is 'REPRESSION OF WOMEN'.
In the same way as antisemitism isn't a total negative for Labour, I have a feeling among certain demographics that highlighting this isn't necessarily a positive thing for Labour.
Like it or not, there is a lot of disquiet about the sort of immigration policies that have led to ladies wearing burkas becoming much more prevalent in some Northern communities.
I do notice a subtle shift in tone from Corbyn recently. Suspect he’s been told in the dying days of this campaign a) not to kick up too much of a fuss about Trump and NATO and b) be relatively nice about the royal family, so as not to frighten the wavering traditionalist voters.
Problem is we know he’d get rid of the royals if he had the chance so all this guff about the queens speech is pointless. He should just have said no I don’t watch it.
I have found a clip of what Nish Kumar "comedy" routine that caused him to get boo'ed and go full Bercow....
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uOMCb0JYkI
The problem was he wasn't telling jokes, just attacking the audience for being what he presumably regarded as gammons.
And just kept on with the same act, after it became quite clear he'd lost the audience completely. Good comedians realise they're going down the wrong path and switch to other material, don't just double down on what those paying the bill don't like.
In this case, though, nobody was paying Nish Kumar. It was a charity gig, and he was doing it for free, so the degree of heckling does seem a bit on the harsh side!
They were annoyed he wasn't telling any funny jokes, which is why he was there.
A bit of light-hearted piss-taking of the audience is perfectly normal at a charity gig. Sounds to me like this was one was full of easily triggered snowflakes!
I do notice a subtle shift in tone from Corbyn recently. Suspect he’s been told in the dying days of this campaign a) not to kick up too much of a fuss about Trump and NATO and b) be relatively nice about the royal family, so as not to frighten the wavering traditionalist voters.
Problem is we know he’d get rid of the royals if he had the chance so all this guff about the queens speech is pointless. He should just have said no I don’t watch it.
The NATO stuff is far worse. The genuinely believes that NATO was a huge conspiracy to cause a cold war between the west and Russia, and that it has to be closed down.
I have found a clip of what Nish Kumar "comedy" routine that caused him to get boo'ed and go full Bercow....
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uOMCb0JYkI
The problem was he wasn't telling jokes, just attacking the audience for being what he presumably regarded as gammons.
And just kept on with the same act, after it became quite clear he'd lost the audience completely. Good comedians realise they're going down the wrong path and switch to other material, don't just double down on what those paying the bill don't like.
In this case, though, nobody was paying Nish Kumar. It was a charity gig, and he was doing it for free, so the degree of heckling does seem a bit on the harsh side!
Surely those paying the charity are the ones paying - even if the money is going to the charity rather than Kumar?
Trying to call Wrexham It voted 60:40 leave and has been an Ian Lucas's seat for a long time. Who has now stood aside. Don't have any input from the ground, but looked at the social media posts of the two main candidates Sarah Atherton, Tories : twitter 225 following and 881 followers Mary Wimbury, Labour: twitter 2,713 and 3,148 respectively Same goes for facebook too. Mary has neary 5 times more posts. Just looking at this, it suggests that Mary seems to be far more active and has a huge following, at least on the social media sites, than Sarah. Do local factors and local candidates also count? Or are Tories just hoping that Brexit is the myhtical Elixir to all.
Not sure I would base expected voting patterns on someone’s twitter followers, to be honest.
Trying to call Wrexham It voted 60:40 leave and has been an Ian Lucas's seat for a long time. Who has now stood aside. Don't have any input from the ground, but looked at the social media posts of the two main candidates Sarah Atherton, Tories : twitter 225 following and 881 followers Mary Wimbury, Labour: twitter 2,713 and 3,148 respectively Same goes for facebook too. Mary has neary 5 times more posts. Just looking at this, it suggests that Mary seems to be far more active and has a huge following, at least on the social media sites, than Sarah. Do local factors and local candidates also count? Or are Tories just hoping that Brexit is the myhtical Elixir to all.
Or is it that social media as a whole is more left leaning. I remember a comment a while back that the Tories pay for their social advertising while Momentum seemed to be able to make more use of their readership to like and share things and so got their views that way..
With reference to an article which appeared in the Telegraph on May 15th 2018, it should be obvious that Trump is interested in the NHS. This article written by David Millward quotes Trump as wanting to 'force the NHS to pay more for drugs.'
There is no ambiguity there and the Telegraph is not known for supporting Labour.
If we are in dire need of a trade deal with the US, access of their pharma to the NHS at attractive (for them) prices WILL be 'on the table'. More than that, it will be a sine qua non for them. And given they will have the balance of power in the negotiation it is certain to happen. The only question is to what degree. This has little to do with the risible Trump. Take him out of the equation and the fundamentals remain. Maybe Bernie or Warren might make a material difference but it does not look like either of them are going to make it.
I have found a clip of what Nish Kumar "comedy" routine that caused him to get boo'ed and go full Bercow....
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uOMCb0JYkI
The problem was he wasn't telling jokes, just attacking the audience for being what he presumably regarded as gammons.
And just kept on with the same act, after it became quite clear he'd lost the audience completely. Good comedians realise they're going down the wrong path and switch to other material, don't just double down on what those paying the bill don't like.
In this case, though, nobody was paying Nish Kumar. It was a charity gig, and he was doing it for free, so the degree of heckling does seem a bit on the harsh side!
Surely those paying the charity are the ones paying - even if the money is going to the charity rather than Kumar?
Yes but if the entertainment is doing it for nothing except a free meal - it's a very different position to a corporate gig where the comedian is being (well) paid for his time.
I have found a clip of what Nish Kumar "comedy" routine that caused him to get boo'ed and go full Bercow....
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uOMCb0JYkI
The problem was he wasn't telling jokes, just attacking the audience for being what he presumably regarded as gammons.
And just kept on with the same act, after it became quite clear he'd lost the audience completely. Good comedians realise they're going down the wrong path and switch to other material, don't just double down on what those paying the bill don't like.
In this case, though, nobody was paying Nish Kumar. It was a charity gig, and he was doing it for free, so the degree of heckling does seem a bit on the harsh side!
Surely those paying the charity are the ones paying - even if the money is going to the charity rather than Kumar?
Yes, but he is working for free, so it seems unreasonable to expect him to perform a normal comedy act. As I mentioned before, the audience should expect some piss-taking at an event like this. What a humourless bunch.
@ Selebian I dug up this FAO statistic re the ratio of arable to total agricultural lands (the other types of agricultural land are permanent crops (fruits, nuts, grapes, coffee, tea etc...), timber forests, and grazing lands):
"In the year 2013, the world's arable land amounted to 1,407 million hectares, out of a total of 4,924 million hectares of land used for agriculture".
Also from the FAO:
"About 60 percent of the world's agricultural land is grazing land, supporting about 360 million cattle and over 600 million sheep and goats. ... For an estimated 100 million people in arid areas, and probably a similar number in other zones, grazing livestock is the only possible source of livelihood. ...
"The great advantage of grazing livestock is that they convert to a useful product resources which would otherwise be wasted."
I have found a clip of what Nish Kumar "comedy" routine that caused him to get boo'ed and go full Bercow....
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uOMCb0JYkI
The problem was he wasn't telling jokes, just attacking the audience for being what he presumably regarded as gammons.
And just kept on with the same act, after it became quite clear he'd lost the audience completely. Good comedians realise they're going down the wrong path and switch to other material, don't just double down on what those paying the bill don't like.
In this case, though, nobody was paying Nish Kumar. It was a charity gig, and he was doing it for free, so the degree of heckling does seem a bit on the harsh side!
Has he actually said he did the gig for free?
In my limited experience, entertainers do very little for free (especially at this time of year) unless it’s for their personal favourite charity.
They might cut their usual £20k corporate rate to £10k or even £5k, but that’s not the same.
Just say no, its not difficult. I don't, I'd rather spend the time with my family. No reason not to say that.
Sounds as if he is like most people who are not determined either to watch it or miss it. A lot of families will have the telly on all day and if HMQ happens to be on, then are they watching it?
With reference to an article which appeared in the Telegraph on May 15th 2018, it should be obvious that Trump is interested in the NHS. This article written by David Millward quotes Trump as wanting to 'force the NHS to pay more for drugs.'
There is no ambiguity there and the Telegraph is not known for supporting Labour.
If we are in dire need of a trade deal with the US, access of their pharma to the NHS at attractive (for them) prices WILL be 'on the table'. More than that, it will be a sine qua non for them. And given they will have the balance of power in the negotiation it is certain to happen. The only question is to what degree. This has little to do with the risible Trump. Take him out of the equation and the fundamentals remain. Maybe Bernie or Warren might make a material difference but it does not look like either of them are going to make it.
Status quo of UK - US trade is WTO terms. What dire scenario are you imagining that a UK PM and majority of Parliament are prepared to end their careers by yielding on this point in order to get a trade deal in place?
List of a whole bundle of different model predictions, average 347-218 (won't post tweet since image is massive): twitter.com/election_data/status/1202205483991478278
The latest UK-Elect forecast is for a Conservative majority of 44 - Con 346 Lab 215 SNP 46 LD 19. The forecast is here: UK-Elect Forecast December 4th 2019
This forecast is very similar to the last one, and to quite a lot of forecasts from other sources using various methodologies. That is perhaps a little surprising, as no special adjustments whatsoever have been made to ensure the forecast is similar to any others!
With reference to an article which appeared in the Telegraph on May 15th 2018, it should be obvious that Trump is interested in the NHS. This article written by David Millward quotes Trump as wanting to 'force the NHS to pay more for drugs.'
There is no ambiguity there and the Telegraph is not known for supporting Labour.
If we are in dire need of a trade deal with the US, access of their pharma to the NHS at attractive (for them) prices WILL be 'on the table'. More than that, it will be a sine qua non for them. And given they will have the balance of power in the negotiation it is certain to happen. The only question is to what degree. This has little to do with the risible Trump. Take him out of the equation and the fundamentals remain. Maybe Bernie or Warren might make a material difference but it does not look like either of them are going to make it.
Status quo of UK - US trade is WTO terms. What dire scenario are you imagining that a UK PM and majority of Parliament are prepared to end their careers by yielding on this point in order to get a trade deal in place?
This is puerile playground stuff.
WTO terms aren't great and I think they are worse than what we currently have.
However insisting on increased pharma pricing for the NHS would make getting a trade deal utterly impossible.
As an aside will the WTO even exist by the time we leave the EU?Unless Trump approves some judges it won't have enough to do anything.
“When you ask a normal, right-handed person about something he’s supposed to have seen, if he looks upward and to his left, he’s truly accessing his memory of the incident,” Bouton says. “However, if he looks upward and to his right, he’s accessing his imagination, and he’s inventing an answer.”
Trying to call Wrexham It voted 60:40 leave and has been an Ian Lucas's seat for a long time. Who has now stood aside. Don't have any input from the ground, but looked at the social media posts of the two main candidates Sarah Atherton, Tories : twitter 225 following and 881 followers Mary Wimbury, Labour: twitter 2,713 and 3,148 respectively Same goes for facebook too. Mary has neary 5 times more posts. Just looking at this, it suggests that Mary seems to be far more active and has a huge following, at least on the social media sites, than Sarah. Do local factors and local candidates also count? Or are Tories just hoping that Brexit is the myhtical Elixir to all.
Its even worse on video than in writing....why the f##k didn't he just say no I don't watch it. I have friends and family around throughout the day and we don't watch the tv.
Just say no, its not difficult. I don't, I'd rather spend the time with my family. No reason not to say that.
Sounds as if he is like most people who are not determined either to watch it or miss it. A lot of families will have the telly on all day and if HMQ happens to be on, then are they watching it?
I find it a bit of a stretch to believe that Jeremy Corbyn, lifelong republican and socialist, isn’t bothered whether or not the queens speech happens to be on on Christmas Day or not.
I mean, I don’t much care either way, there’s much more important stuff to criticise the man for but I do refuse to believe that he would watch it at all.
Its even worse on video than in writing....why the f##k didn't he just say no I don't watch it. I have friends and family around throughout the day and we don't watch the tv.
Its Aston Ham United level lying.
Surely the best answer (as it is for any man) is I'm usually doing the washing up.
Brexit Party not to win a seat 5/4 Brexit party to win Heywood & Middleton 33/1 Lib Dem’s 10-19 seats 4/1 Conservatives under 340.5 seats 11/10 Con maj 4/5
Serously Isam - is that all you have bet on this GE? I`m on my third side of A4.
Yes I haven’t really got involved at all. I made a mistake there, I laid NOM at 5/4 rather than backed Con maj at 4/5
I do notice a subtle shift in tone from Corbyn recently. Suspect he’s been told in the dying days of this campaign a) not to kick up too much of a fuss about Trump and NATO and b) be relatively nice about the royal family, so as not to frighten the wavering traditionalist voters.
Problem is we know he’d get rid of the royals if he had the chance so all this guff about the queens speech is pointless. He should just have said no I don’t watch it.
The NATO stuff is far worse. The genuinely believes that NATO was a huge conspiracy to cause a cold war between the west and Russia, and that it has to be closed down.
And of course Corbyn woukd screw NATO even as a minority or coalition PM. With Trump in the White House that would be the death knell for the alliance.
“When you ask a normal, right-handed person about something he’s supposed to have seen, if he looks upward and to his left, he’s truly accessing his memory of the incident,” Bouton says. “However, if he looks upward and to his right, he’s accessing his imagination, and he’s inventing an answer.”
Brexit Party not to win a seat 5/4 Brexit party to win Heywood & Middleton 33/1 Lib Dem’s 10-19 seats 4/1 Conservatives under 340.5 seats 11/10 Con maj 4/5
Serously Isam - is that all you have bet on this GE? I`m on my third side of A4.
Yes I haven’t really got involved at all. I made a mistake there, I laid NOM at 5/4 rather than backed Con maj at 4/5
Where did you get Lib Dem's 10-19 seats 4/1? Best I could find is 13/5 with Paddy Power.
Its even worse on video than in writing....why the f##k didn't he just say no I don't watch it. I have friends and family around throughout the day and we don't watch the tv.
Its Aston Ham United level lying.
Lol “... and I also visit a homeless shelter”. Had to say that, didn’t he. He was dying to show how he’s not a baby eating Tory.
Status quo of UK - US trade is WTO terms. What dire scenario are you imagining that a UK PM and majority of Parliament are prepared to end their careers by yielding on this point in order to get a trade deal in place?
This is puerile playground stuff.
The scenario would be where we genuinely need the deal because its successful implementation is expected to bring great benefits. In which case a PM with the national interest at heart - and with the next election perhaps years away - might not allow the sacred cow status of the NHS to get in the away. Course if we don't need the deal, that is wholly different.
From last thread: Reply to Casino Royale on veganism:
It is not often I am in agreement with you CR, but I am on this. Veganism is the equivalent of evangelical fundamentalist religion. It's advocates give the impression of believing themselves to be morally superior to the rest of the human race, and some are highly militant, objectionable and sometimes violent.
It is also highly questionable as to whether veganism is "sustainable" from an environmental perspective. A wholesale move to the production of vegan produce would have to destroy many ecosystems that depend on grazing, and would make genuine organic production largely unviable. It would also almost certainly lead to mass starvation if it were possible to immediately implement. Veganism is a fad for self righteous eccentrics.
The question I've never heard a vegetarian/vegan answer is what they expect to happen to all the animals we farm if overnight people stopped eating meat?
Do they expect farmers to relinquish their fields and let sheep and cows spend the rest of their days naturally grazing until they die of old age? Or would there be a mass slaughter of all the sheep and cows as the farmers look to change their fields over to whatever the vegan/vegetarian populace want to eat?
I expect it is the latter and I don't see how that would be any better. So I'm going to continue eating meat - to avoid a mass slaughter of animals.
There is an interesting section in Steven Pinker's latest book about this. Basically if we follow the eco-facists demands, massive reduction in meat, no GM, going back to "natural" foods (this in itself is hugely problematic as what most of them think are natural aren't). The amount of farmland required will have to expand massively and at a time when it is actually shrinking.
So to save the planet, we will actually have to chop down more trees to make space for more farmland.
the best approach is what is already happening gradually due to market forces: a shift to animal protein with a higher Feed Conversion Ratio
essentially Fish > Poultry > Pig > Beef
Insects are the best of all (they actually have an FCR>1) but i think culturally we have some distance to travel
Good poll for Bernie and Biden, Politico/Morning Consult Biden 29; Sanders 20; Warren 15; Buttigieg 9; Bloomberg 5; Yang 4.
Harris gets 5% as she exits the race.
Bloomberg at 5% already!
He’s running lots of TV ads on the theme of “I’m a good billionaire, unlike Donald Trump.”
No rallies, no debates, no outside donations (He doesn't need any but they still help people feel "part" of a movement", no Iowa, no New Hampshire, no South Carolina, no Nevada presence. It's an interesting strategy.
I have found a clip of what Nish Kumar "comedy" routine that caused him to get boo'ed and go full Bercow....
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uOMCb0JYkI
The problem was he wasn't telling jokes, just attacking the audience for being what he presumably regarded as gammons.
And just kept on with the same act, after it became quite clear he'd lost the audience completely. Good comedians realise they're going down the wrong path and switch to other material, don't just double down on what those paying the bill don't like.
In this case, though, nobody was paying Nish Kumar. It was a charity gig, and he was doing it for free, so the degree of heckling does seem a bit on the harsh side!
Has he actually said he did the gig for free?
In my limited experience, entertainers do very little for free (especially at this time of year) unless it’s for their personal favourite charity.
They might cut their usual £20k corporate rate to £10k or even £5k, but that’s not the same.
5k to stand in front of a group of right-wing nutters, call them far-right nutters, then bitch about having bread thrown at you? Some people don't know they're born, they really don't.
From last thread: Reply to Casino Royale on veganism:
It is not often I am in agreement with you CR, but I am on this. Veganism is the equivalent of evangelical fundamentalist religion. It's advocates give the impression of believing themselves to be morally superior to the rest of the human race, and some are highly militant, objectionable and sometimes violent.
It is also highly questionable as to whether veganism is "sustainable" from an environmental perspective. A wholesale move to the production of vegan produce would have to destroy many ecosystems that depend on grazing, and would make genuine organic production largely unviable. It would also almost certainly lead to mass starvation if it were possible to immediately implement. Veganism is a fad for self righteous eccentrics.
The question I've never heard a vegetarian/vegan answer is what they expect to happen to all the animals we farm if overnight people stopped eating meat?
Do they expect farmers to relinquish their fields and let sheep and cows spend the rest of their days naturally grazing until they die of old age? Or would there be a mass slaughter of all the sheep and cows as the farmers look to change their fields over to whatever the vegan/vegetarian populace want to eat?
I expect it is the latter and I don't see how that would be any better. So I'm going to continue eating meat - to avoid a mass slaughter of animals.
There is an interesting section in Steven Pinker's latest book about this. Basically if we follow the eco-facists demands, massive reduction in meat, no GM, going back to "natural" foods (this in itself is hugely problematic as what most of them think are natural aren't). The amount of farmland required will have to expand massively and at a time when it is actually shrinking.
So to save the planet, we will actually have to chop down more trees to make space for more farmland.
the best approach is what is already happening gradually due to market forces: a shift to animal protein with a higher Feed Conversion Ratio
essentially Fish > Poultry > Pig > Beef
Insects are the best of all (they actually have an FCR>1) but i think culturally we have some distance to travel
Is it ok if I just let everyone else make the change on my behalf?
From last thread: Reply to Casino Royale on veganism:
It is not often I am in agreement with you CR, but I am on this. Veganism is the equivalent of evangelical fundamentalist religion. It's advocates give the impression of believing themselves to be morally superior to the rest of the human race, and some are highly militant, objectionable and sometimes violent.
It is also highly questionable as to whether veganism is "sustainable" from an environmental perspective. A wholesale move to the production of vegan produce would have to destroy many ecosystems that depend on grazing, and would make genuine organic production largely unviable. It would also almost certainly lead to mass starvation if it were possible to immediately implement. Veganism is a fad for self righteous eccentrics.
The question I've never heard a vegetarian/vegan answer is what they expect to happen to all the animals we farm if overnight people stopped eating meat?
Do they expect farmers to relinquish their fields and let sheep and cows spend the rest of their days naturally grazing until they die of old age? Or would there be a mass slaughter of all the sheep and cows as the farmers look to change their fields over to whatever the vegan/vegetarian populace want to eat?
I expect it is the latter and I don't see how that would be any better. So I'm going to continue eating meat - to avoid a mass slaughter of animals.
There is an interesting section in Steven Pinker's latest book about this. Basically if we follow the eco-facists demands, massive reduction in meat, no GM, going back to "natural" foods (this in itself is hugely problematic as what most of them think are natural aren't). The amount of farmland required will have to expand massively and at a time when it is actually shrinking.
So to save the planet, we will actually have to chop down more trees to make space for more farmland.
the best approach is what is already happening gradually due to market forces: a shift to animal protein with a higher Feed Conversion Ratio
essentially Fish > Poultry > Pig > Beef
Insects are the best of all (they actually have an FCR>1) but i think culturally we have some distance to travel
Mathew 3.4.
"And the same John had his raiment of camel's hair, and a leatherngirdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey."
“When you ask a normal, right-handed person about something he’s supposed to have seen, if he looks upward and to his left, he’s truly accessing his memory of the incident,” Bouton says. “However, if he looks upward and to his right, he’s accessing his imagination, and he’s inventing an answer.”
Point of order. I think that's an urban myth popularised by the late 90s film "The Negotiator". I don't think it's true IRL. Happy to be contradicted if wrong.
I have found a clip of what Nish Kumar "comedy" routine that caused him to get boo'ed and go full Bercow....
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uOMCb0JYkI
The problem was he wasn't telling jokes, just attacking the audience for being what he presumably regarded as gammons.
And just kept on with the same act, after it became quite clear he'd lost the audience completely. Good comedians realise they're going down the wrong path and switch to other material, don't just double down on what those paying the bill don't like.
In this case, though, nobody was paying Nish Kumar. It was a charity gig, and he was doing it for free, so the degree of heckling does seem a bit on the harsh side!
Has he actually said he did the gig for free?
In my limited experience, entertainers do very little for free (especially at this time of year) unless it’s for their personal favourite charity.
They might cut their usual £20k corporate rate to £10k or even £5k, but that’s not the same.
5k to stand in front of a group of right-wing nutters, call them far-right nutters, then bitch about having bread thrown at you? Some people don't know they're born, they really don't.
They werent right wingers. They just wanted jokes, with a bit of joshing. His material is just relentless.
"I met with XR yesterday and I said I’d help them get their bill, which says by 2025. My feeling is we have to go for the highest, hardest target because we need radical change as quickly as possible. Whether that’s actually going to be achievable is another matter.”
From last thread: Reply to Casino Royale on veganism:
It is not often I am in agreement with you CR, but I am on this. Veganism is the equivalent of evangelical fundamentalist religion. It's advocates give the impression of believing themselves to be morally superior to the rest of the human race, and some are highly militant, objectionable and sometimes violent.
It is also highly questionable as to whether veganism is "sustainable" from an environmental perspective. A wholesale move to the production of vegan produce would have to destroy many ecosystems that depend on grazing, and would make genuine organic production largely unviable. It would also almost certainly lead to mass starvation if it were possible to immediately implement. Veganism is a fad for self righteous eccentrics.
The question I've never heard a vegetarian/vegan answer is what they expect to happen to all the animals we farm if overnight people stopped eating meat?
Do they expect farmers to relinquish their fields and let sheep and cows spend the rest of their days naturally grazing until they die of old age? Or would there be a mass slaughter of all the sheep and cows as the farmers look to change their fields over to whatever the vegan/vegetarian populace want to eat?
I expect it is the latter and I don't see how that would be any better. So I'm going to continue eating meat - to avoid a mass slaughter of animals.
There is an interesting section in Steven Pinker's latest book about this. Basically if we follow the eco-facists demands, massive reduction in meat, no GM, going back to "natural" foods (this in itself is hugely problematic as what most of them think are natural aren't). The amount of farmland required will have to expand massively and at a time when it is actually shrinking.
So to save the planet, we will actually have to chop down more trees to make space for more farmland.
the best approach is what is already happening gradually due to market forces: a shift to animal protein with a higher Feed Conversion Ratio
essentially Fish > Poultry > Pig > Beef
Insects are the best of all (they actually have an FCR>1) but i think culturally we have some distance to travel
Mathew 3.4.
"And the same John had his raiment of camel's hair, and a leatherngirdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey."
If it's good for John The Baptist...
I look forward to see you wearing a camel hair coat and a leather girdle whilst asking the Tesco checkout where they keep the locusts. I should imagine it would be a memorable occasion...
“When you ask a normal, right-handed person about something he’s supposed to have seen, if he looks upward and to his left, he’s truly accessing his memory of the incident,” Bouton says. “However, if he looks upward and to his right, he’s accessing his imagination, and he’s inventing an answer.”
“When you ask a normal, right-handed person about something he’s supposed to have seen, if he looks upward and to his left, he’s truly accessing his memory of the incident,” Bouton says. “However, if he looks upward and to his right, he’s accessing his imagination, and he’s inventing an answer.”
Point of order. I think that's an urban myth popularised by the late 90s film "The Negotiator". I don't think it's true IRL. Happy to be contradicted if wrong.
Yes, that's total twaddle. It's a well know fact of psychology that there are no mannerisms that can be used to determine whether someone is lying.
Brexit Party not to win a seat 5/4 Brexit party to win Heywood & Middleton 33/1 Lib Dem’s 10-19 seats 4/1 Conservatives under 340.5 seats 11/10 Con maj 4/5
Serously Isam - is that all you have bet on this GE? I`m on my third side of A4.
Yes I haven’t really got involved at all. I made a mistake there, I laid NOM at 5/4 rather than backed Con maj at 4/5
Where did you get Lib Dem's 10-19 seats 4/1? Best I could find is 13/5 with Paddy Power.
You won`t get 4/1 now! One of my best bets has been to go Under 37.5 LibDem seats at 5/6 for £60.
Its even worse on video than in writing....why the f##k didn't he just say no I don't watch it. I have friends and family around throughout the day and we don't watch the tv.
Its Aston Ham United level lying.
Lol “... and I also visit a homeless shelter”. Had to say that, didn’t he. He was dying to show how he’s not a baby eating Tory.
I am surprised he celebrates Christmas, or family for that matter. I would have thought both a bit bourgeois for Comrade Corbey.
Its even worse on video than in writing....why the f##k didn't he just say no I don't watch it. I have friends and family around throughout the day and we don't watch the tv.
Its Aston Ham United level lying.
Yes very stupid of him to do this. He clearly doesn't ever watch it. And why would he? It's hardly going to shock many people to learn that he doesn't. I don't think I've ever seen it (not out of any ideological belief just never spend much time by the TV at Xmas).
It does seem to be that while there was a Labour surge it has stalled and the campaign is sputtering a bit now. I think they will still poll better on the day through a LD and Green ballot box squeeze, but it doesn't look like they can recover enough ground now to stop the tories getting a majority.
“When you ask a normal, right-handed person about something he’s supposed to have seen, if he looks upward and to his left, he’s truly accessing his memory of the incident,” Bouton says. “However, if he looks upward and to his right, he’s accessing his imagination, and he’s inventing an answer.”
Point of order. I think that's an urban myth popularised by the late 90s film "The Negotiator". I don't think it's true IRL. Happy to be contradicted if wrong.
Why would anyone watch the Queen's Speech anyway? It's neither informative nor entertaining. I'd respect Corbyn more if he just said "no, I don't usually watch it because it's boring AF."
Its even worse on video than in writing....why the f##k didn't he just say no I don't watch it. I have friends and family around throughout the day and we don't watch the tv.
Its Aston Ham United level lying.
Lol “... and I also visit a homeless shelter”. Had to say that, didn’t he. He was dying to show how he’s not a baby eating Tory.
I am surprised he celebrates Christmas, or family for that matter. I would have thought both a bit bourgeois for Comrade Corbey.
I think we probably have different definitions of "celebrate". While most people by the time Liz comes on the telly are on their 2nd bottle of wine and trying to find room for their 8th mince pie, Comrade Corbey will have started his day with a Vegan fairtrade porridge and coffee, lunch of butternut squash salad from his allotment and in the evening to really treat himself one square of ethnically produced Venezuelan chocolate.
Just say no, its not difficult. I don't, I'd rather spend the time with my family. No reason not to say that.
Sounds as if he is like most people who are not determined either to watch it or miss it. A lot of families will have the telly on all day and if HMQ happens to be on, then are they watching it?
Exactly. Most sane people will have sometimes watched it and other times not. Many will not know what time it is despite having watched it sometimes.
this is why Labour are going to lose so badly - Boris does a video to let you know he has a cheeky flapjack (almost winking at the female viewers as he does it) and says 16 hour work days are nothing to boast about because lots of people have long workdays (yes I understand you Mr shift worker) - Corbo lies about the Queen's speech, does EXERCISE on xmas day and wierds everyone out by droning on about his good works evangelising on the wonders of a socialist revolution to poor people who can't walk away, or they'll miss their christmas dinner and a decent bed.
Boris is a mendacious sod, he's a liar but he clearly isn't a weirdo - he's basically what he says he is - a gee-er-upper, a positive vibes machine, a can'do-otron, a flapjack-powered ball of chirpy optimism - forget the crazed and ever more desperate Labour promises - they could have walked this election and Blair would have done - Corbyn is an odd odd man and I think a lot of everyday people have realised that since 2017.
Just say no, its not difficult. I don't, I'd rather spend the time with my family. No reason not to say that.
Sounds as if he is like most people who are not determined either to watch it or miss it. A lot of families will have the telly on all day and if HMQ happens to be on, then are they watching it?
Exactly. Most sane people will have sometimes watched it and other times not. Many will not know what time it is despite having watched it sometimes.
Bullshit...everybody knows the Queen speech is on in the afternoon. Even those that don't watch it, normally so as to make sure you have something else queued up for the moving picture box at that time.
Pretty stupid when you are hammering on trust to lie about something so innocuous. If he lies about that, what else is bullshit?
The idea that Corbyn is a new kind of honest politician is for the birds. This does seem a stupid thing to lie about but he has insisted that he has resolved issues related to anti Semitism, and that only the Top 5% of earners will pay more tax under labour so he clearly has no problem deceiving others.
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https://twitter.com/LouiseMensch/status/1202195002841092097
On shit like this why doesn't he just tell the truth and say no I don't watch it. The only people who would get really angry about him saying he doesn't ain't considering voting for him anyway.
ETA: oh, it's a joke: the news that the Brexit Party has an election strategy.
There is no ambiguity there and the Telegraph is not known for supporting Labour.
Suggests campaign hasn't really changed a thing.
It voted 60:40 leave and has been an Ian Lucas's seat for a long time. Who has now stood aside.
Don't have any input from the ground, but looked at the social media posts of the two main candidates
Sarah Atherton, Tories : twitter 225 following and 881 followers
Mary Wimbury, Labour: twitter 2,713 and 3,148 respectively
Same goes for facebook too. Mary has neary 5 times more posts.
Just looking at this, it suggests that Mary seems to be far more active and has a huge following, at least on the social media sites, than Sarah.
Do local factors and local candidates also count? Or are Tories just hoping that Brexit is the myhtical Elixir to all.
Like it or not, there is a lot of disquiet about the sort of immigration policies that have led to ladies wearing burkas becoming much more prevalent in some Northern communities.
https://twitter.com/StephenDFisher/status/1202202883745361920
Can't say I disagree with it - it's just I know Boris is equally unsuitable.
Problem is we know he’d get rid of the royals if he had the chance so all this guff about the queens speech is pointless. He should just have said no I don’t watch it.
https://twitter.com/Drpippa_lovell/status/1201965001910706176?s=20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz3IRiK68O0
*ahem*
"In the year 2013, the world's arable land amounted to 1,407 million hectares, out of a total of 4,924 million hectares of land used for agriculture".
Also from the FAO:
"About 60 percent of the world's agricultural land is grazing land, supporting about 360 million cattle and over 600 million sheep and goats. ... For an estimated 100 million people in arid areas, and probably a similar number in other zones, grazing livestock is the only possible source of livelihood. ...
"The great advantage of grazing livestock is that they convert to a useful product resources which would otherwise be wasted."
In my limited experience, entertainers do very little for free (especially at this time of year) unless it’s for their personal favourite charity.
They might cut their usual £20k corporate rate to £10k or even £5k, but that’s not the same.
This is puerile playground stuff.
UK-Elect Forecast December 4th 2019
Details as CSV file are here:
UK-Elect Forecast Details December 4th 2019
This forecast is very similar to the last one, and to quite a lot of forecasts from other sources using various methodologies. That is perhaps a little surprising, as no special adjustments whatsoever have been made to ensure the forecast is similar to any others!
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/04/bbc-impartiality-precious-protect-election-coverage
So we will write in the Guardian to tell you so.
However insisting on increased pharma pricing for the NHS would make getting a trade deal utterly impossible.
As an aside will the WTO even exist by the time we leave the EU?Unless Trump approves some judges it won't have enough to do anything.
“When you ask a normal, right-handed person about something he’s supposed to have seen, if he looks upward and to his left, he’s truly accessing his memory of the incident,” Bouton says. “However, if he looks upward and to his right, he’s accessing his imagination, and he’s inventing an answer.”
https://www.businessinsider.sg/how-to-tell-someones-lying-by-watching-their-face-2016-1/?r=US&IR=T
Its Aston Ham United level lying.
I mean, I don’t much care either way, there’s much more important stuff to criticise the man for but I do refuse to believe that he would watch it at all.
https://secrets-explained.com/derren-brown/nlp
Best I could find is 13/5 with Paddy Power.
essentially Fish > Poultry > Pig > Beef
Insects are the best of all (they actually have an FCR>1) but i think culturally we have some distance to travel
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/12/04/nicola-sturgeon-humiliated-ifs-says-snp-manifesto-means-austerity/
https://labourlist.org/2019/12/climate-action-in-cardiff-north-interview-with-labours-anna-mcmorrin/
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ry90s0oDXu6_LhDKNiI6fXaSFJsfMBaAXI6cZ8XhqQ8/edit#gid=0
"And the same John had his raiment of camel's hair, and a leatherngirdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey."
If it's good for John The Baptist...
Utter dingbat idiocy.
https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/british-prime-minister-boris-johnson-attends-the-nato-news-photo/1191858505
It does seem to be that while there was a Labour surge it has stalled and the campaign is sputtering a bit now. I think they will still poll better on the day through a LD and Green ballot box squeeze, but it doesn't look like they can recover enough ground now to stop the tories getting a majority.
Boris is a mendacious sod, he's a liar but he clearly isn't a weirdo - he's basically what he says he is - a gee-er-upper, a positive vibes machine, a can'do-otron, a flapjack-powered ball of chirpy optimism - forget the crazed and ever more desperate Labour promises - they could have walked this election and Blair would have done - Corbyn is an odd odd man and I think a lot of everyday people have realised that since 2017.
Looks like the only one we’ll get today is Savanta Comres .