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  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
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  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    edited November 2019
    Philip_Thompson said:

    Stereotomy said:

    They also sent them to other constituencies saying it was between the Lib Dems and the Conservatives, urging Labour voters to vote LD.

    Are those other constituencies actually Con/LD marginals or are they Con/Lab marginals like this one?
    https://twitter.com/deanvelani/status/1200480030461218816
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,609
    Richard Tice is awful and the cheek to talk about planting trees when the BP couldn’t be bothered to turn up to the climate debate .
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Stereotomy said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Stereotomy said:

    They also sent them to other constituencies saying it was between the Lib Dems and the Conservatives, urging Labour voters to vote LD.

    Are those other constituencies actually Con/LD marginals or are they Con/Lab marginals like this one?
    https://twitter.com/deanvelani/status/1200480030461218816
    Did Mike agree to do this?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,912
    Opinion polls... must have opinion polls...
  • GadflyGadfly Posts: 1,203
    FPT..
    Philip_Thompson said:

    isam said:

    Stereotomy said:

    isam said:

    squareroot2 said:

    kjohnw1 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    earlier Battersea and now also Warrington South are clearly going to surprise us on the 12th.... Is OGH offering us odds on his yellows winning either?

    https://twitter.com/election_data/status/1200464067204452352?s=20

    The most worrying thing about OGH’s letters is the timing. Unless they are cleverly being sent to postal voters only, they are going out way too early. Letters like that are supposed to land in the week of polling day, as anyone with any sense at LDHQ should already know.
    I live in Warrington South and liberals have zero chance here . The town voted leave , and Faisal rashid will be voted out and Andy Carter conservative will win .
    Don't tell me a Lib Dem leaflet starts off with a false premise? deary me...

    Lib dems: Lies are fine, as long as they're not on the side of a bus.
    "You know from previous elections that a vote for anyone other than the Liberal Democrats can end up with a Labour MP"

    (apart from 2010 and 2015)

    I posted this here last night, I no longer live in Warrington South but did in 2015 and was very disappointed David lost in 2017 he was a very good guy. Bizarre telling Tories they have no chance in a seat they are odds on favourites for. The Lib Dems are closer to the Greens in odds, ie no chance:


    I can't think what convinced OGH to send this out to this constituency. The only thing that I can think is that OGH and the Lib Dems are trying to act as a spoiler so that Corbyn's Labour can hold the seat. Nothing else makes sense.
    Warrington South 2017

    Labour 29,994
    Conservative 27,445
    Liberal Democrats 3,339

    Simply does square with...

    "The election in Warrington South is between the Labour and the Liberal Democrats."

    "You know from previous elections that a vote for anyone other than the Liberal Democrats can end up with a Labour MP."
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    edited November 2019
    Stereotomy said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Stereotomy said:

    They also sent them to other constituencies saying it was between the Lib Dems and the Conservatives, urging Labour voters to vote LD.

    Are those other constituencies actually Con/LD marginals or are they Con/Lab marginals like this one?
    https://twitter.com/deanvelani/status/1200480030461218816
    In the most recent election in Chipping Barnet, on May 23rd. the LDs were 11% ahead of the tories and 13% ahead of LAB.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,912
    Floater said:

    Stereotomy said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Stereotomy said:

    They also sent them to other constituencies saying it was between the Lib Dems and the Conservatives, urging Labour voters to vote LD.

    Are those other constituencies actually Con/LD marginals or are they Con/Lab marginals like this one?
    https://twitter.com/deanvelani/status/1200480030461218816
    Did Mike agree to do this?
    I'm guessing they are using his piccy without his knowledge or consent...
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,178
    https://twitter.com/BBCNWT/status/1200441913746378754
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    MikeSmithson said:

    Stereotomy said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Stereotomy said:

    They also sent them to other constituencies saying it was between the Lib Dems and the Conservatives, urging Labour voters to vote LD.

    Are those other constituencies actually Con/LD marginals or are they Con/Lab marginals like this one?
    https://twitter.com/deanvelani/status/1200480030461218816
    In the most recent election in Chipping Barnet, on May 23rd. the LDs were 11% ahead of the tories and 13% ahead of LAB.

    So you're following up your lies by insulting our intelligences? If you're embracing deceit as an electoral tactic you might as well go ahead and own it.

  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Try and watch the debate from the perspective of who is the better debater without being colored by either their views or use. I’m trying to watch it dispassionately to see if anybody can swing votes.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,149
    Stereotomy said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Stereotomy said:

    They also sent them to other constituencies saying it was between the Lib Dems and the Conservatives, urging Labour voters to vote LD.

    Are those other constituencies actually Con/LD marginals or are they Con/Lab marginals like this one?
    https://twitter.com/deanvelani/status/1200480030461218816
    Only realised tonight how popular the Lib Dems are here in the suburbs of East London. Only a vote for the yellow peril can stop the Tories, that's for sure




  • RobinWiggsRobinWiggs Posts: 621
    edited November 2019
    Stereotomy said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    Stereotomy said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Stereotomy said:

    They also sent them to other constituencies saying it was between the Lib Dems and the Conservatives, urging Labour voters to vote LD.

    Are those other constituencies actually Con/LD marginals or are they Con/Lab marginals like this one?
    https://twitter.com/deanvelani/status/1200480030461218816
    In the most recent election in Chipping Barnet, on May 23rd. the LDs were 11% ahead of the tories and 13% ahead of LAB.

    So you're following up your lies by insulting our intelligences? If you're embracing deceit as an electoral tactic you might as well go ahead and own it.

    It’s simply an outright lie. Sad, but par for the course these days. Desperate stuff from the Lib Dems, and hugely damaging to Mike’s reputation.
    Surely he can’t have been so foolish / brazen?


  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    MikeSmithson said:

    Stereotomy said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Stereotomy said:

    They also sent them to other constituencies saying it was between the Lib Dems and the Conservatives, urging Labour voters to vote LD.

    Are those other constituencies actually Con/LD marginals or are they Con/Lab marginals like this one?
    https://twitter.com/deanvelani/status/1200480030461218816
    In the most recent election in Chipping Barnet, on May 23rd. the LDs were 11% ahead of the tories and 13% ahead of LAB.

    The most recent comparable election is the General Election, we all know that unless Nigel Farage is going to be PM due to the Brexit Party winning across the country. Do you seriously believe the Liberal Democrats have much better odds than the Tories at winning Warrington South? 😂 What about Warrington South screams this is between the Labour and Lib Dem Parties and the odds-on-favourite Tories are a wasted vote?

  • ExiledInScotlandExiledInScotland Posts: 1,540
    MikeSmithson said:

    Stereotomy said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Stereotomy said:

    They also sent them to other constituencies saying it was between the Lib Dems and the Conservatives, urging Labour voters to vote LD.

    Are those other constituencies actually Con/LD marginals or are they Con/Lab marginals like this one?
    https://twitter.com/deanvelani/status/1200480030461218816
    In the most recent election in Chipping Barnet, on May 23rd. the LDs were 11% ahead of the tories and 13% ahead of LAB.

    Using the Euros result that way is a bit disappointing. Would you use that as justification for placing your own bets?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Floater said:

    Stereotomy said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Stereotomy said:

    They also sent them to other constituencies saying it was between the Lib Dems and the Conservatives, urging Labour voters to vote LD.

    Are those other constituencies actually Con/LD marginals or are they Con/Lab marginals like this one?
    https://twitter.com/deanvelani/status/1200480030461218816
    Did Mike agree to do this?
    I'm guessing they are using his piccy without his knowledge or consent...
    I would hope so!
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    edited November 2019
    RobinWiggs said:

    Stereotomy said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    Stereotomy said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Stereotomy said:

    They also sent them to other constituencies saying it was between the Lib Dems and the Conservatives, urging Labour voters to vote LD.

    Are those other constituencies actually Con/LD marginals or are they Con/Lab marginals like this one?
    https://twitter.com/deanvelani/status/1200480030461218816
    In the most recent election in Chipping Barnet, on May 23rd. the LDs were 11% ahead of the tories and 13% ahead of LAB.

    So you're following up your lies by insulting our intelligences? If you're embracing deceit as an electoral tactic you might as well go ahead and own it.

    It’s simply an outright lie. Sad, but par for the course these days. Desperate stuff from the Lib Dems, and hugely damaging to Mike’s reputation.
    Surely he can’t have been so foolish / brazen?


    If you feel like that stop using his site to attack him and go somewhere else
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    nichomar said:

    Try and watch the debate from the perspective of who is the better debater without being colored by either their views or use. I’m trying to watch it dispassionately to see if anybody can swing votes.

    You’re right, a debate is best approached with a view to be persuaded by the unexpected BUT

    In reality how many neutral observers will be watching? I’ve gone for Mars on Netflix (On the basis of Ep.1, recommended) and I’m interested in politics.


  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,088
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Floater said:

    Stereotomy said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Stereotomy said:

    They also sent them to other constituencies saying it was between the Lib Dems and the Conservatives, urging Labour voters to vote LD.

    Are those other constituencies actually Con/LD marginals or are they Con/Lab marginals like this one?
    https://twitter.com/deanvelani/status/1200480030461218816
    Did Mike agree to do this?
    I'm guessing they are using his piccy without his knowledge or consent...
    Of course they are not. But I rather fear that the permission was a general one and it is some numpty at LDHQ that is deciding where and how it is used. It is an effective technique where there is some logic behind it, but using it everywhere including seats like Hornchurch is just ridiculous.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    nichomar said:

    RobinWiggs said:

    Stereotomy said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    Stereotomy said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Stereotomy said:

    They also sent them to other constituencies saying it was between the Lib Dems and the Conservatives, urging Labour voters to vote LD.

    Are those other constituencies actually Con/LD marginals or are they Con/Lab marginals like this one?
    https://twitter.com/deanvelani/status/1200480030461218816
    In the most recent election in Chipping Barnet, on May 23rd. the LDs were 11% ahead of the tories and 13% ahead of LAB.

    So you're following up your lies by insulting our intelligences? If you're embracing deceit as an electoral tactic you might as well go ahead and own it.

    It’s simply an outright lie. Sad, but par for the course these days. Desperate stuff from the Lib Dems, and hugely damaging to Mike’s reputation.
    Surely he can’t have been so foolish / brazen?


    If you feel like that stop using his site to attack him and go somewhere else
    I respect Our Genial Host a lot, that is why I am hoping the Liberal Democrats have taken advantage of his generosity and sent letters to seats he didn't pick. I don't for one second believe he personally picked Warrington South as a likely Lib Dem gain.
  • twistedfirestopper3twistedfirestopper3 Posts: 2,635
    nichomar said:

    RobinWiggs said:

    Stereotomy said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    Stereotomy said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Stereotomy said:

    They also sent them to other constituencies saying it was between the Lib Dems and the Conservatives, urging Labour voters to vote LD.

    Are those other constituencies actually Con/LD marginals or are they Con/Lab marginals like this one?
    https://twitter.com/deanvelani/status/1200480030461218816
    In the most recent election in Chipping Barnet, on May 23rd. the LDs were 11% ahead of the tories and 13% ahead of LAB.

    So you're following up your lies by insulting our intelligences? If you're embracing deceit as an electoral tactic you might as well go ahead and own it.

    It’s simply an outright lie. Sad, but par for the course these days. Desperate stuff from the Lib Dems, and hugely damaging to Mike’s reputation.
    Surely he can’t have been so foolish / brazen?


    If you feel like that stop using his site to attack him and go somewhere else
    Whoaa there! Mr Smithson puts it out there, so he has to expect criticism. He's using the premise of this site as his credentials in the letter.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,609
    Jo Swinson performing quite well so far . She has a point about the spending pledges of Labour and the Tories .
  • RobinWiggsRobinWiggs Posts: 621
    edited November 2019
    nichomar said:

    RobinWiggs said:

    Stereotomy said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    Stereotomy said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Stereotomy said:

    They also sent them to other constituencies saying it was between the Lib Dems and the Conservatives, urging Labour voters to vote LD.

    Are those other constituencies actually Con/LD marginals or are they Con/Lab marginals like this one?
    https://twitter.com/deanvelani/status/1200480030461218816
    In the most recent election in Chipping Barnet, on May 23rd. the LDs were 11% ahead of the tories and 13% ahead of LAB.

    So you're following up your lies by insulting our intelligences? If you're embracing deceit as an electoral tactic you might as well go ahead and own it.

    It’s simply an outright lie. Sad, but par for the course these days. Desperate stuff from the Lib Dems, and hugely damaging to Mike’s reputation.
    Surely he can’t have been so foolish / brazen?


    If you feel like that stop using his site to attack him
    Why? Are only echo-chamber views welcome?
    Had Mike not built a deserved reputation for calling out polling methodology errors, his attempt to justify his letter based upon a low turnout non-general election ballot could have been put down to lack of knowledge.
    But we all know it was a deliberate attempt to deceive and he knows better.

  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,083
    nichomar said:

    Try and watch the debate from the perspective of who is the better debater without being colored by either their views or use. I’m trying to watch it dispassionately to see if anybody can swing votes.

    Lucas. That straight to camera PPB she did the other night was different class. No other party leader could have done it.
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 3,901
    nico67 said:

    Jo Swinson performing quite well so far . She has a point about the spending pledges of Labour and the Tories .

    This format is better for her - she can stand to the side and say 'I'm not like these two'.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    nichomar said:

    RobinWiggs said:

    Stereotomy said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    Stereotomy said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Stereotomy said:

    They also sent them to other constituencies saying it was between the Lib Dems and the Conservatives, urging Labour voters to vote LD.

    Are those other constituencies actually Con/LD marginals or are they Con/Lab marginals like this one?
    https://twitter.com/deanvelani/status/1200480030461218816
    In the most recent election in Chipping Barnet, on May 23rd. the LDs were 11% ahead of the tories and 13% ahead of LAB.

    So you're following up your lies by insulting our intelligences? If you're embracing deceit as an electoral tactic you might as well go ahead and own it.

    It’s simply an outright lie. Sad, but par for the course these days. Desperate stuff from the Lib Dems, and hugely damaging to Mike’s reputation.
    Surely he can’t have been so foolish / brazen?


    If you feel like that stop using his site to attack him and go somewhere else
    I think its fair to ask what has happened here.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    edited November 2019
    RLB and the unknown Tory now getting shouty and shrill
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    IanB2 said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Floater said:

    Stereotomy said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Stereotomy said:

    They also sent them to other constituencies saying it was between the Lib Dems and the Conservatives, urging Labour voters to vote LD.

    Are those other constituencies actually Con/LD marginals or are they Con/Lab marginals like this one?
    https://twitter.com/deanvelani/status/1200480030461218816
    Did Mike agree to do this?
    I'm guessing they are using his piccy without his knowledge or consent...
    Of course they are not. But I rather fear that the permission was a general one and it is some numpty at LDHQ that is deciding where and how it is used. It is an effective technique where there is some logic behind it, but using it everywhere including seats like Hornchurch is just ridiculous.
    That's what I hope although the letter certainly doesn't give the impression it was LDHQ numpty who decided it rather than him. OGH has a great and well deserved and well cultivated reputation that has been built up over years, letters like this in seats the LDs aren't even competitive in don't fit that.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,912
    edited November 2019
    Mum: "Who's this in the glasses?"
    Sunil: "Rebecca Long-Bailey, mum. They're saying she's a likely successor to Corbyn."
    Mum: "What? Where did they get this bimbo?"
    :lol:

    Just to let you know she hasn't slagged off Jo so far this evening :)
  • eggegg Posts: 1,749
    I don’t want to come across as Dr Terrible, but this dogs dinner of a debate is truly diabolical. No ones answering questions, just amateurishly delivering rehearsed attack lines. All the presenter and broadcaster really wants debating there is a Tory and labour representative.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    MikeSmithson said:

    Stereotomy said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Stereotomy said:

    They also sent them to other constituencies saying it was between the Lib Dems and the Conservatives, urging Labour voters to vote LD.

    Are those other constituencies actually Con/LD marginals or are they Con/Lab marginals like this one?
    https://twitter.com/deanvelani/status/1200480030461218816
    In the most recent election in Chipping Barnet, on May 23rd. the LDs were 11% ahead of the tories and 13% ahead of LAB.

    oh god, really?

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,040
    edited November 2019
    kinabalu said:

    nichomar said:

    Try and watch the debate from the perspective of who is the better debater without being colored by either their views or use. I’m trying to watch it dispassionately to see if anybody can swing votes.

    Lucas. That straight to camera PPB she did the other night was different class. No other party leader could have done it.
    Yes, she is good. A class act.
    The Tory guy has no presence. Surely not a serious tip this morning.
    RLB not doing badly, Swinson and Sturgeon a bit anonymous.
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 3,901
    nichomar said:

    RLB and the unknown Tory now getting shouty and shrill

    I'm a Manc, and RLB sounds dreadful. She needs way more media training if she fancies a shot at the leadership.
  • eggegg Posts: 1,749
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Mum: "Who's this in the glasses?"
    Sunil: "Rebecca Long-Bailey, mum. They're saying she's a likely successor to Corbyn."
    Mum: "What? Where did they get this bimbo?"
    :lol:

    Just to let who know she hasn't slagged off Jo so far this evening :)

    Bimbo?

    RLB thinking on her feet and responding quite smartly, but looking at her feet the whole time. What’s that all about.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    egg said:

    I don’t want to come across as Dr Terrible, but this dogs dinner of a debate is truly diabolical. No ones answering questions, just amateurishly delivering rehearsed attack lines. All the presenter and broadcaster really wants debating there is a Tory and labour representative.

    A true democratic view just let the two old parties slag it off and exclude alternative views. That’s what they want that’s what the depend on.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,129
    https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1200495736867217410?s=21
  • VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 1,555
    The Smithson letter has been received here in St Albans.
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 3,901
    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1200495736867217410?s=21

    He's trying to anoint his chosen successor, isn't he? I agree that he's probably given up, though.
  • eggegg Posts: 1,749
    nichomar said:

    RLB and the unknown Tory now getting shouty and shrill

    Did the Tories send someone to this one? 😯. I thought it was a cut out sent to repeat their attack lines and avoid all questions and scrutiny.

    Caroline Lucas clear winner so far.
  • twistedfirestopper3twistedfirestopper3 Posts: 2,635
    Foxy said:

    kinabalu said:

    nichomar said:

    Try and watch the debate from the perspective of who is the better debater without being colored by either their views or use. I’m trying to watch it dispassionately to see if anybody can swing votes.

    Lucas. That straight to camera PPB she did the other night was different class. No other party leader could have done it.
    Yes, she is good. A class act.
    The Tory guy has no presence. Surely not a serious tip this morning.
    RLB not doing badly, Swinson and Sturgeon a bit anonymous.
    RLB is fighting her corner well. No one has heard of the Tory bloke or the UKIP and Welsh fellas. Sturgeon, Lucas and Swinson can't get a word in. Labour winning here!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,370
    egg said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Mum: "Who's this in the glasses?"
    Sunil: "Rebecca Long-Bailey, mum. They're saying she's a likely successor to Corbyn."
    Mum: "What? Where did they get this bimbo?"
    :lol:

    Just to let who know she hasn't slagged off Jo so far this evening :)

    Bimbo?

    RLB thinking on her feet and responding quite smartly, but looking at her feet the whole time. What’s that all about.
    It's where her answers are written.....
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,580
    Welcome back @williamglenn.

    Now that you've retired from the Commission I'm sure you'll have plenty more time to post . here. :D:p
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,857
    edited November 2019
    egg said:

    I don’t want to come across as Dr Terrible, but this dogs dinner of a debate is truly diabolical. No ones answering questions, just amateurishly delivering rehearsed attack lines. All the presenter and broadcaster really wants debating there is a Tory and labour representative.

    So much for plural democracy then. We get just two choices because that's all the broadcasters can cope with.
    It seems the electorate struggle with more than two choices as well.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,609
    Winners so far certainly not the Tories or Labour .

    Get Brexit Done is getting a right kicking .
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    edited November 2019
    I find it amazing how Caroline Lucas has managed to remodel herself as a voice for remain when she was one of the very few non Tories arguing for a EU referendum to take place.
  • eggegg Posts: 1,749
    nichomar said:

    egg said:

    I don’t want to come across as Dr Terrible, but this dogs dinner of a debate is truly diabolical. No ones answering questions, just amateurishly delivering rehearsed attack lines. All the presenter and broadcaster really wants debating there is a Tory and labour representative.

    A true democratic view just let the two old parties slag it off and exclude alternative views. That’s what they want that’s what the depend on.
    Are you attacking me, or what I sense from this set up.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,040
    egg said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Mum: "Who's this in the glasses?"
    Sunil: "Rebecca Long-Bailey, mum. They're saying she's a likely successor to Corbyn."
    Mum: "What? Where did they get this bimbo?"
    :lol:

    Just to let who know she hasn't slagged off Jo so far this evening :)

    Bimbo?

    RLB thinking on her feet and responding quite smartly, but looking at her feet the whole time. What’s that all about.
    Looking down at her notes, I think.
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 3,901
    Richard Tice exactly the sort of divot you expect him to be, I see.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,442
    Floater said:

    nichomar said:

    RobinWiggs said:

    Stereotomy said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    Stereotomy said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Stereotomy said:

    They also sent them to other constituencies saying it was between the Lib Dems and the Conservatives, urging Labour voters to vote LD.

    Are those other constituencies actually Con/LD marginals or are they Con/Lab marginals like this one?
    https://twitter.com/deanvelani/status/1200480030461218816
    In the most recent election in Chipping Barnet, on May 23rd. the LDs were 11% ahead of the tories and 13% ahead of LAB.

    So you're following up your lies by insulting our intelligences? If you're embracing deceit as an electoral tactic you might as well go ahead and own it.

    It’s simply an outright lie. Sad, but par for the course these days. Desperate stuff from the Lib Dems, and hugely damaging to Mike’s reputation.
    Surely he can’t have been so foolish / brazen?


    If you feel like that stop using his site to attack him and go somewhere else
    I think its fair to ask what has happened here.
    Mike actually supporting and promoting such misleading rubbish means his credibility is utterly shot. Very, very silly.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,129
    RobD said:

    Welcome back @williamglenn.

    Now that you've retired from the Commission I'm sure you'll have plenty more time to post . here. :D:p

    I thought I’d never be able to leave. ;)
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Floater said:

    nichomar said:

    RobinWiggs said:

    Stereotomy said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    Stereotomy said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Stereotomy said:

    They also sent them to other constituencies saying it was between the Lib Dems and the Conservatives, urging Labour voters to vote LD.

    Are those other constituencies actually Con/LD marginals or are they Con/Lab marginals like this one?
    https://twitter.com/deanvelani/status/1200480030461218816
    In the most recent election in Chipping Barnet, on May 23rd. the LDs were 11% ahead of the tories and 13% ahead of LAB.

    So you're following up your lies by insulting our intelligences? If you're embracing deceit as an electoral tactic you might as well go ahead and own it.

    It’s simply an outright lie. Sad, but par for the course these days. Desperate stuff from the Lib Dems, and hugely damaging to Mike’s reputation.
    Surely he can’t have been so foolish / brazen?


    If you feel like that stop using his site to attack him and go somewhere else
    I think its fair to ask what has happened here.
    Mike actually supporting and promoting such misleading rubbish means his credibility is utterly shot. Very, very silly.
    What worries me most is that we- his user base- are partly responsible for giving him the platform he's abusing here.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Foxy said:

    kinabalu said:

    nichomar said:

    Try and watch the debate from the perspective of who is the better debater without being colored by either their views or use. I’m trying to watch it dispassionately to see if anybody can swing votes.

    Lucas. That straight to camera PPB she did the other night was different class. No other party leader could have done it.
    Yes, she is good. A class act.
    The Tory guy has no presence. Surely not a serious tip this morning.
    RLB not doing badly, Swinson and Sturgeon a bit anonymous.
    Coming to the conclusion that every party standing enough candidates to theoretically win a majority should have

    An Andrew Neil interview, a question time appearance for an hour and after that individual interviews with whoever they please. The debate tonight isn’t taking us anywhere and wasn’t when Johnson and corbyn copped out. Maybe they could learn from the US how to run these events.
  • Time_to_LeaveTime_to_Leave Posts: 2,547
    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1200495736867217410?s=21

    He's trying to anoint his chosen successor, isn't he? I agree that he's probably given up, though.
    Also, events. Today of all days no one would doubt why the PM isn’t there. He may have pulled out beforehand but there couldn’t be any traction on it.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,687
    Nicola Sturgeon is bloody good.
  • eggegg Posts: 1,749
    nico67 said:

    Winners so far certainly not the Tories or Labour .

    Get Brexit Done is getting a right kicking .

    That’s the big take out so far, the claim brexit can quickly get done is under attack and being called a lie. The central plank of the Tory campaign, get brexit done, the opponents are trying to convince the voters is a big lie.
  • RobinWiggsRobinWiggs Posts: 621
    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1200495736867217410?s=21

    He may have planned to repeat the trick at the last minute again.

    But with the Prime Minister dealing with the aftermath of a terrorist attack and both Corbyn and Johnson suspending campaigning tonight, he couldn’t have rocked up. There were only downsides for him if he had, and he couldn’t have accused Boris of not turning up tonight with any sense of decency.

  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,442
    MikeSmithson said:

    Stereotomy said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Stereotomy said:

    They also sent them to other constituencies saying it was between the Lib Dems and the Conservatives, urging Labour voters to vote LD.

    Are those other constituencies actually Con/LD marginals or are they Con/Lab marginals like this one?
    https://twitter.com/deanvelani/status/1200480030461218816
    In the most recent election in Chipping Barnet, on May 23rd. the LDs were 11% ahead of the tories and 13% ahead of LAB.

    If anyone else on this board used that as an excuse you would have shot them down in an instant. You insult every single person on here by making such an argument when you know it is utterly misleading and wrong.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,735
    Richard Tice doing lifting for the Tories lol
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    williamglenn said:

    RobD said:

    Welcome back @williamglenn.

    Now that you've retired from the Commission I'm sure you'll have plenty more time to post . here. :D:p

    I thought I’d never be able to leave. ;)
    Were you in the hotel California?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,442
    williamglenn said:

    RobD said:

    Welcome back @williamglenn.

    Now that you've retired from the Commission I'm sure you'll have plenty more time to post . here. :D:p

    I thought I’d never be able to leave. ;)
    Welcome back William. Good to see you posting again.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1200495736867217410?s=21

    To be absolutely fair to both Johnson and Corbyn I don't think that applies in this case because:

    (a) May ran away from all of these set-pieces, Johnson has done the first head-to-head with Corbyn already and has the second to come; and, more importantly...

    (b) In the immediate aftermath of a terrorist atrocity one might consider that the Prime Minister would have more vital things to do than attend a slanging match. If Corbyn were to have changed his mind and rocked up at the last minute then Johnson would not only have been equipped with the perfect excuse for not following suit, but the Tories could plausibly have argued that Corbyn was exploiting the circumstances (in which innocent people have died) to try to score cheap political points off the Prime Minister

    Thus Corbyn, having elected to nominate his own substitute too in advance of this debate, was arguably correct not to have committed the volte face that this particular commentator bemoans.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,912
    Pulpstar said:

    Richard Tice doing lifting for the Tories lol

    No secret pact, eh? :lol:
  • eggegg Posts: 1,749
    MarqueeMark said:

    egg said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Mum: "Who's this in the glasses?"
    Sunil: "Rebecca Long-Bailey, mum. They're saying she's a likely successor to Corbyn."
    Mum: "What? Where did they get this bimbo?"
    :lol:

    Just to let who know she hasn't slagged off Jo so far this evening :)

    Bimbo?

    RLB thinking on her feet and responding quite smartly, but looking at her feet the whole time. What’s that all about.
    It's where her answers are written.....
    On the bottom of the shoe is price for a trick?
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    Labour getting criticised from both sides for their ridiculous Brexit policy.
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 3,901
    Adam Price seems good.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,735
    Verulamius said:

    The Smithson letter has been received here in St Albans.

    Is it a two horse race ?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,687
    Tuned in late, but this looks like easily the best run debate of the campaign.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    edited November 2019
    RobinWiggs said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1200495736867217410?s=21

    He may have planned to repeat the trick at the last minute again.

    But with the Prime Minister dealing with the aftermath of a terrorist attack and both Corbyn and Johnson suspending campaigning tonight, he couldn’t have rocked up. There were only downsides for him if he had, and he couldn’t have accused Boris of not turning up tonight with any sense of decency.

    I doubt very much that the PM is dealing in detail with this terrorist attack in fact I would hope he is not. As long as he is happy it is being handled correctly he should keep out of the way.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,040
    williamglenn said:

    RobD said:

    Welcome back @williamglenn.

    Now that you've retired from the Commission I'm sure you'll have plenty more time to post . here. :D:p

    I thought I’d never be able to leave. ;)
    That Hotel California feeling. If only there was a political event that was similar.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,580
    williamglenn said:

    RobD said:

    Welcome back @williamglenn.

    Now that you've retired from the Commission I'm sure you'll have plenty more time to post . here. :D:p

    I thought I’d never be able to leave. ;)
    Heh. In all seriousness though, welcome back!
  • eggegg Posts: 1,749
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Richard Tice doing lifting for the Tories lol

    No secret pact, eh? :lol:
    It doesn’t work like that. If he is good at attacking labour, that’s votes for BREX at expense of `tories
  • nunu2nunu2 Posts: 1,453
    Pulpstar said:

    Richard Tice doing lifting for the Tories lol

    What do u mean, please? I'm not watching it.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,040
    nichomar said:

    RobinWiggs said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1200495736867217410?s=21

    He may have planned to repeat the trick at the last minute again.

    But with the Prime Minister dealing with the aftermath of a terrorist attack and both Corbyn and Johnson suspending campaigning tonight, he couldn’t have rocked up. There were only downsides for him if he had, and he couldn’t have accused Boris of not turning up tonight with any sense of decency.

    I doubt very much that the PM is dealing in detail with this terrorist attack in fact I would hope he is not.
    He ducked the event well before the incident. Probably making a bus from an old wine box tonight.
  • RobinWiggsRobinWiggs Posts: 621
    edited November 2019
    Pulpstar said:

    Verulamius said:

    The Smithson letter has been received here in St Albans.

    Is it a two horse race ?
    Yes - he’s backing Plaid to beat the Conservative in St Albans, based upon last year’s election of Dai Davies to the tea committee of the cricket club 2nd XIs.

  • eggegg Posts: 1,749
    rottenborough said:

    Nicola Sturgeon is bloody good.

    Not on her best form tonight though.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,687
    Robinson is running a masterclass on how to do this for all the others presenters.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,687
    egg said:

    rottenborough said:

    Nicola Sturgeon is bloody good.

    Not on her best form tonight though.
    Well, I'm tuning in late, but she is doing very well.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    MikeSmithson said:

    Stereotomy said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Stereotomy said:

    They also sent them to other constituencies saying it was between the Lib Dems and the Conservatives, urging Labour voters to vote LD.

    Are those other constituencies actually Con/LD marginals or are they Con/Lab marginals like this one?
    https://twitter.com/deanvelani/status/1200480030461218816
    In the most recent election in Chipping Barnet, on May 23rd. the LDs were 11% ahead of the tories and 13% ahead of LAB.

    When you're in a hole etc... ;)
  • alb1onalb1on Posts: 698
    nichomar said:

    RLB and the unknown Tory now getting shouty and shrill

    It could be worse. They could have sent Richard Burgon and Mark Francois.
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,518
    TOTP 1988 much more entertaining. Oh the memories.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,040
    egg said:

    rottenborough said:

    Nicola Sturgeon is bloody good.

    Not on her best form tonight though.
    She is always impressive to to those of us South of the border, so much more capable than our numpty parties.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,178
    ozymandias said:

    TOTP 1988 much more entertaining. Oh the memories.

    Thanks for reminding me to watch the show.
  • eggegg Posts: 1,749
    alb1on said:

    nichomar said:

    RLB and the unknown Tory now getting shouty and shrill

    It could be worse. They could have sent Richard Burgon and Mark Francois.
    “ It could be better. They could have sent Richard Burgon and Mark Francois.‘
    Corrected it for you. I would like to see that.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,370
    egg said:

    nico67 said:

    Winners so far certainly not the Tories or Labour .

    Get Brexit Done is getting a right kicking .

    That’s the big take out so far, the claim brexit can quickly get done is under attack and being called a lie. The central plank of the Tory campaign, get brexit done, the opponents are trying to convince the voters is a big lie.
    With 5 of the 7 attendees being devoted to overturning Brexit, are you surprised? It is the entire purpose of this ridiculous spectacle.
  • RobinWiggsRobinWiggs Posts: 621
    nichomar said:

    RobinWiggs said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1200495736867217410?s=21

    He may have planned to repeat the trick at the last minute again.

    But with the Prime Minister dealing with the aftermath of a terrorist attack and both Corbyn and Johnson suspending campaigning tonight, he couldn’t have rocked up. There were only downsides for him if he had, and he couldn’t have accused Boris of not turning up tonight with any sense of decency.

    I doubt very much that the PM is dealing in detail with this terrorist attack in fact I would hope he is not. As long as he is happy it is being handled correctly he should keep out of the way.
    He will be being briefed. We do not yet know that there aren’t wider security or intelligence implications and an ongoing incident that could escalate.

    Even if he hadn’t declined earlier, I know where I would rather the PM was tonight than joining this bun-fight of the pygmies.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,687
    alb1on said:

    nichomar said:

    RLB and the unknown Tory now getting shouty and shrill

    It could be worse. They could have sent Richard Burgon and Mark Francois.
    That show is on the Comedy Channel.
  • alb1onalb1on Posts: 698
    Black_Rook said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1200495736867217410?s=21

    To be absolutely fair to both Johnson and Corbyn I don't think that applies in this case because:

    (a) May ran away from all of these set-pieces, Johnson has done the first head-to-head with Corbyn already and has the second to come; and, more importantly...

    (b) In the immediate aftermath of a terrorist atrocity one might consider that the Prime Minister would have more vital things to do than attend a slanging match. If Corbyn were to have changed his mind and rocked up at the last minute then Johnson would not only have been equipped with the perfect excuse for not following suit, but the Tories could plausibly have argued that Corbyn was exploiting the circumstances (in which innocent people have died) to try to score cheap political points off the Prime Minister

    Thus Corbyn, having elected to nominate his own substitute too in advance of this debate, was arguably correct not to have committed the volte face that this particular commentator bemoans.
    Generally a fair comment, but I really hope Johnson is not doing anything other than mouth platitudes in the aftermath of the attack. It is when Boris tries to do things that they go awfully wrong. Let others (those who are competent) take action. Boris needs to stick to what he does best - waffle to the media.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,442
    egg said:

    rottenborough said:

    Nicola Sturgeon is bloody good.

    Not on her best form tonight though.
    She is in a different class to most other politicians in the UK. Even when she is off her game she is still better than most others.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Xmas present suggestion for any bloggers out there:

    “ How to Protect (or Destroy) Your Reputation Online: The Essential Guide to Avoid Digital Damage, Lock Down Your Brand, and Defend Your Business”
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Black_Rook said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1200495736867217410?s=21

    To be absolutely fair to both Johnson and Corbyn I don't think that applies in this case because:

    (a) May ran away from all of these set-pieces, Johnson has done the first head-to-head with Corbyn already and has the second to come; and, more importantly...

    (b) In the immediate aftermath of a terrorist atrocity one might consider that the Prime Minister would have more vital things to do than attend a slanging match. If Corbyn were to have changed his mind and rocked up at the last minute then Johnson would not only have been equipped with the perfect excuse for not following suit, but the Tories could plausibly have argued that Corbyn was exploiting the circumstances (in which innocent people have died) to try to score cheap political points off the Prime Minister

    Thus Corbyn, having elected to nominate his own substitute too in advance of this debate, was arguably correct not to have committed the volte face that this particular commentator bemoans.
    Bloody hell how did he know there was going to be a terrorist attack today that would take his undivided attention? He should have been scheduled to attend, he wasn’t terror attack in this scenario is irrelevant.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,088
    RobinWiggs said:

    nichomar said:

    RobinWiggs said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1200495736867217410?s=21

    He may have planned to repeat the trick at the last minute again.

    But with the Prime Minister dealing with the aftermath of a terrorist attack and both Corbyn and Johnson suspending campaigning tonight, he couldn’t have rocked up. There were only downsides for him if he had, and he couldn’t have accused Boris of not turning up tonight with any sense of decency.

    I doubt very much that the PM is dealing in detail with this terrorist attack in fact I would hope he is not. As long as he is happy it is being handled correctly he should keep out of the way.
    He will be being briefed. We do not yet know that there aren’t wider security or intelligence implications and an ongoing incident that could escalate.

    Even if he hadn’t declined earlier, I know where I would rather the PM was tonight than joining this bun-fight of the pygmies.
    Seems a shame to miss the one bunfight where he might just be able to hold his own, though?
  • nunu2nunu2 Posts: 1,453
    MarqueeMark said:

    egg said:

    nico67 said:

    Winners so far certainly not the Tories or Labour .

    Get Brexit Done is getting a right kicking .

    That’s the big take out so far, the claim brexit can quickly get done is under attack and being called a lie. The central plank of the Tory campaign, get brexit done, the opponents are trying to convince the voters is a big lie.
    With 5 of the 7 attendees being devoted to overturning Brexit, are you surprised? It is the entire purpose of this ridiculous spectacle.
    That is good for the Tories. It means they get to keep the bulk of the Leave vote and Labour get grouped with the SNP.

    Oh and the libdems get grouped with Corbyn.
  • eggegg Posts: 1,749
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    egg said:

    rottenborough said:

    Nicola Sturgeon is bloody good.

    Not on her best form tonight though.
    She is in a different class to most other politicians in the UK. Even when she is off her game she is still better than most others.
    So why is it used by Labour’s opponents that to allow her to support you in government is so dangerous and disgusting? Tories won in 2015 by putting wee EdM in her pocket.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    StuartDickson said:

    Xmas present suggestion for any bloggers out there:

    “ How to Protect (or Destroy) Your Reputation Online: The Essential Guide to Avoid Digital Damage, Lock Down Your Brand, and Defend Your Business”

    I see what you did there....
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,370
    MikeSmithson said:

    Stereotomy said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Stereotomy said:

    They also sent them to other constituencies saying it was between the Lib Dems and the Conservatives, urging Labour voters to vote LD.

    Are those other constituencies actually Con/LD marginals or are they Con/Lab marginals like this one?
    https://twitter.com/deanvelani/status/1200480030461218816
    In the most recent election in Chipping Barnet, on May 23rd. the LDs were 11% ahead of the tories and 13% ahead of LAB.

    Then you deserve the ordure that will be heaped upon you.
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    edited November 2019
    I don't quite see why Mike Smithson has to put up with Labour & Tory party supporters questioning his integrity.

    I mean, the Labour & Tory parties are running extremely duplicitous campaigns themselves.

    When you are clean, you have earned the right to comment on other people's dirt. But if you are covered in ordure yourself ... then you should shut up.
  • alb1onalb1on Posts: 698
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Mum: "Who's this in the glasses?"
    Sunil: "Rebecca Long-Bailey, mum. They're saying she's a likely successor to Corbyn."
    Mum: "What? Where did they get this bimbo?"
    :lol:

    Just to let you know she hasn't slagged off Jo so far this evening :)

    I have heard RLB called many things (harridan, Stalin's daughter, boredom in human form etc), but I have never heard her called a bimbo. Very disrespectful to the stars of all those reality programmes.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,912
    ozymandias said:

    TOTP 1988 much more entertaining. Oh the memories.

    Robin Beck's "First Time" was number one this week 31 years ago.
  • humbuggerhumbugger Posts: 377
    Good evening all. If Corbyn has given up as suggested by Tom Peck I reckon he needs a talking to from PB's own Man called Horse and Mysticrose. It's on, as Horse keeps reminding us.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    GIN1138 said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    Stereotomy said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Stereotomy said:

    They also sent them to other constituencies saying it was between the Lib Dems and the Conservatives, urging Labour voters to vote LD.

    Are those other constituencies actually Con/LD marginals or are they Con/Lab marginals like this one?
    https://twitter.com/deanvelani/status/1200480030461218816
    In the most recent election in Chipping Barnet, on May 23rd. the LDs were 11% ahead of the tories and 13% ahead of LAB.

    When you're in a hole etc... ;)
    It does look to have been a bit of a silly thing to do.
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