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nico67 said:

I wonder whether Damian Lyons Lowe from Survation are doing some polling including a question on the Waspi women . Going by his tweet he thinks this is likely to hurt the Tories.

Anyone who believes an unfunded £58bn pledge made after the manifesto was published should be too thick to vote.

MarqueeMark said:

camel said:

MarqueeMark said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Black_Rook said:

RobD said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

The UK has to do a lot more - as does every other country. You're right it's a global problem.

But just trumpeting "we're not the problem" is why there's been so little progress.

So little progress? Again, look how far emissions have been cut since the peak in the 1970s.

That is a fair point. I'm old enough to remember learning about acid rain in school geography lessons circa 1990. British coal-fired power stations used to chuck out so much carbon dioxide and sulphur dioxide that they created toxic clouds that, basically, dissolved trees in Norway.

Earlier this year, Britain had the first recorded days since the advent of widespread electrical power in which 0% of the electricity in the National Grid came from burning coal. If that's not progress I'm not sure what is.

Ditto. Its funny we never hear about acid rain anymore, nor the hole in the ozone layer.

I also remember learning in science classes how in Britain large percentages of moths evolved from light to dark to light again because of the pollution that existed in the past and how cleaned up the country is now relative to the past.

Not so much they learnt, just that in some species such as Peppered Moth, the black form carbonaria was far less obvious to predating birds against sooty walls. The genes were still there and once we cleaned up the buildings, the black and white forms could again find better camouflaged places to rest. The carbonaria form is now again quite scarce (I've had a couple in the garden over the past six years).

More upsetting for keen horticulturalists, the reduction of sulphur compounds in the atmosphere is greatly increasing the incidence of fungal infections such as rose black spot.

Nothing for allotment holders in the tory manifesto. Toffs one and all.

Black spot has always been and remains a problem in Devon.

Ever since the days of Robert Louis Stevenson indeed

Benpointer said:

BluerBlue said:

nico67 said:

I wonder whether Damian Lyons Lowe from Survation are doing some polling including a question on the Waspi women . Going by his tweet he thinks this is likely to hurt the Tories.

Will the question include the information that it will cost the public an extra £58 billion in uncosted borrowing and / or taxes? Because that seems like a relevant piece of context, no?

Are there some workings behind the £58bn?

Number of women affected times the average amount of compensation.

nico67 said:

The so called 50,000 new nurses pledge from Bozo is another bare faced lie .

18,500 of those are currently working in the NHS and all they’re doing is trying to get them to stay on when they’re expected to be leaving .

The pledge is not for 'new' nurses but for the total number of nurses to be 50k above current expectation

stodge said:

Ave_it said:

Anyone voting LD this time?

Yes, me. Anyone voting Conservative?

Ian Austin and John Woodcock.

nico67 said:

The so called 50,000 new nurses pledge from Bozo is another bare faced lie .

18,500 of those are currently working in the NHS and all they’re doing is trying to get them to stay on when they’re expected to be leaving .

Oh dear. Well that’s convinced me. Definitely going to vote for the bit-thick, economically illiterate old commie now.

nico67 said:

wooliedyed said:

nico67 said:

The so called 50,000 new nurses pledge from Bozo is another bare faced lie .

18,500 of those are currently working in the NHS and all they’re doing is trying to get them to stay on when they’re expected to be leaving .

The pledge is not for 'new' nurses but for the total number of nurses to be 50k above current expectation

Lmao ! Current expectation ! The Tories are selling it as new nurses .

Where? In your head?

nico67 said:

wooliedyed said:

nico67 said:

The so called 50,000 new nurses pledge from Bozo is another bare faced lie .

18,500 of those are currently working in the NHS and all they’re doing is trying to get them to stay on when they’re expected to be leaving .

The pledge is not for 'new' nurses but for the total number of nurses to be 50k above current expectation

Lmao ! Current expectation ! The Tories are selling it as new nurses .

No the pledge is for more nurses.

geoffw said:

Benpointer said:

BluerBlue said:

nico67 said:

I wonder whether Damian Lyons Lowe from Survation are doing some polling including a question on the Waspi women . Going by his tweet he thinks this is likely to hurt the Tories.

Will the question include the information that it will cost the public an extra £58 billion in uncosted borrowing and / or taxes? Because that seems like a relevant piece of context, no?

Are there some workings behind the £58bn?

Number of women affected times the average amount of compensation.

Wow thanks for that insight!

I was rather wondering if anyone has the stats on numbers impacted and avereage amount per person.

Benpointer said:

geoffw said:

Benpointer said:

BluerBlue said:

nico67 said:

I wonder whether Damian Lyons Lowe from Survation are doing some polling including a question on the Waspi women . Going by his tweet he thinks this is likely to hurt the Tories.

Will the question include the information that it will cost the public an extra £58 billion in uncosted borrowing and / or taxes? Because that seems like a relevant piece of context, no?

Are there some workings behind the £58bn?

Number of women affected times the average amount of compensation.

Wow thanks for that insight!

I was rather wondering if anyone has the stats on numbers impacted and avereage amount per person.

£15,380 average, £31,300 maximum. A huge bung.

https://news.sky.com/story/general-election-2019-labours-58bn-pledge-to-right-waspi-injustice-11869005

nico67 said:

The so called 50,000 new nurses pledge from Bozo is another bare faced lie .

18,500 of those are currently working in the NHS and all they’re doing is trying to get them to stay on when they’re expected to be leaving .

Reducing the rate at which you have to replace staff is not to be sneezed at. There is a similar problem in teaching with (I think this is right, but I’m not looking it up) 50% of teachers leaving after five years. If you can reduce this then the teachers in each school become more experienced on average and the not inconsiderable costs of recruitment are reduced.

I’m not saying it’s easy of course, and relying on it for a third of the total seems optimistic.

Benpointer said:

BluerBlue said:

nico67 said:

I wonder whether Damian Lyons Lowe from Survation are doing some polling including a question on the Waspi women . Going by his tweet he thinks this is likely to hurt the Tories.

Will the question include the information that it will cost the public an extra £58 billion in uncosted borrowing and / or taxes? Because that seems like a relevant piece of context, no?

Are there some workings behind the £58bn?

Yes, but nothing in the way of costings. It's a completely unfunded policy.

My nurse isn't brand new! I demand a fresh Boris nurse!

wooliedyed said:

My nurse isn't brand new! I demand a fresh Boris nurse!

Hellloooo Nurse!

wooliedyed said:

My nurse isn't brand new! I demand a fresh Boris nurse!

My own experience of nurses is that the more experienced they are, the better.

Benpointer said:

geoffw said:

Benpointer said:

BluerBlue said:

nico67 said:

I wonder whether Damian Lyons Lowe from Survation are doing some polling including a question on the Waspi women . Going by his tweet he thinks this is likely to hurt the Tories.

Will the question include the information that it will cost the public an extra £58 billion in uncosted borrowing and / or taxes? Because that seems like a relevant piece of context, no?

Are there some workings behind the £58bn?

Number of women affected times the average amount of compensation.

Wow thanks for that insight!

I was rather wondering if anyone has the stats on numbers impacted and avereage amount per person.

15k x 3.8m women

Charles said:

Benpointer said:

geoffw said:

Benpointer said:

BluerBlue said:

nico67 said:

I wonder whether Damian Lyons Lowe from Survation are doing some polling including a question on the Waspi women . Going by his tweet he thinks this is likely to hurt the Tories.

Will the question include the information that it will cost the public an extra £58 billion in uncosted borrowing and / or taxes? Because that seems like a relevant piece of context, no?

Are there some workings behind the £58bn?

Number of women affected times the average amount of compensation.

Wow thanks for that insight!

I was rather wondering if anyone has the stats on numbers impacted and avereage amount per person.

15k x 3.8m women

For christ’s sake don’t give Diane Abbott the task of calculating that.

It's not good for democracy that the parties are knowingly promulgating nonsense in their manifestos. Even in 2017, this did not happen. It suggests a political class out of touch and out of control, which is what Brexit was meant to stop. (But Cummings always tricks people into thinking that ceding political power means gaining control - which is a fantasy.)

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Casino_Royale said:

Just finished season three of The Crown.

Rather slow and nothing like as good as the first two.

Wilson and Heath are good though. The episodes slow and tedious, except Aberfan.

The trouble is probably that as we come up to date, the writers lose historical perspective and start including all sorts of trivial incidents that they happen to remember. We have seen this with other series too.

It's not just that. It's the casting.

Olivia Coleman gets better as the series goes on but you still know it's her.

And Helena Bonham-Carter is just Helena Bonham-Carter, as always. You're never convinced for a second she's Margaret.

Having said that, Tobias Menzies is superb as Philip.

MarqueeMark said:

GIN1138 said:

New Electoral Calculus projection takes Con up to a majority of 80

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html

Some remarkable ranges there:

............. Low Predicted High

Labour 123 - 202 - 281

LD 13 - 20 - 62

SNP 20 - 41 - 47

Con 247 - 365 - 448

448!!!! lolz

247!!!! lolzer!

(Admittedly there's more chance of Man U winning the Premiership but hey-ho!)

RobD said:

Benpointer said:

geoffw said:

Benpointer said:

BluerBlue said:

nico67 said:

I wonder whether Damian Lyons Lowe from Survation are doing some polling including a question on the Waspi women . Going by his tweet he thinks this is likely to hurt the Tories.

Will the question include the information that it will cost the public an extra £58 billion in uncosted borrowing and / or taxes? Because that seems like a relevant piece of context, no?

Are there some workings behind the £58bn?

Number of women affected times the average amount of compensation.

Wow thanks for that insight!

I was rather wondering if anyone has the stats on numbers impacted and avereage amount per person.

£15,380 average, £31,300 maximum. A huge bung.

https://news.sky.com/story/general-election-2019-labours-58bn-pledge-to-right-waspi-injustice-11869005

Thanks

MarqueeMark said:

GIN1138 said:

New Electoral Calculus projection takes Con up to a majority of 80

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html

Some remarkable ranges there:

............. Low Predicted High

Labour 123 - 202 - 281

LD 13 - 20 - 62

SNP 20 - 41 - 47

Con 247 - 365 - 448

448!!!! lolz

They are fair ranges though.

It shows just how much error there is in predicting seat totals.

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Fysics_Teacher said:

wooliedyed said:

My nurse isn't brand new! I demand a fresh Boris nurse!

My own experience of nurses is that the more experienced they are, the better.

Evening, Sean

Just remember my advice the next time you need a cannula. And never volunteer to let a student nurse fit a catheter...

Casino_Royale said:

MarqueeMark said:

GIN1138 said:

New Electoral Calculus projection takes Con up to a majority of 80

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html

Some remarkable ranges there:

............. Low Predicted High

Labour 123 - 202 - 281

LD 13 - 20 - 62

SNP 20 - 41 - 47

Con 247 - 365 - 448

448!!!! lolz

They are fair ranges though.

It shows just how much error there is in predicting seat totals.

And how much exposure on spread betting!

Benpointer said:

MarqueeMark said:

GIN1138 said:

New Electoral Calculus projection takes Con up to a majority of 80

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html

Some remarkable ranges there:

............. Low Predicted High

Labour 123 - 202 - 281

LD 13 - 20 - 62

SNP 20 - 41 - 47

Con 247 - 365 - 448

448!!!! lolz

247!!!! lolzer!

(Admittedly there's more chance of Man U winning the Premiership but hey-ho!)

SNP 20 is quite a lolz too.

To dream, the impossible dream.....

ozymandias said:

camel said:

humbugger said:

MaxPB said:

Benpointer said:

BluerBlue said:

nico67 said:

I wonder whether Damian Lyons Lowe from Survation are doing some polling including a question on the Waspi women . Going by his tweet he thinks this is likely to hurt the Tories.

Will the question include the information that it will cost the public an extra £58 billion in uncosted borrowing and / or taxes? Because that seems like a relevant piece of context, no?

Are there some workings behind the £58bn?

Yes, but nothing in the way of costings. It's a completely unfunded policy.

Be fair now. McDonnell says the funding is a very special arrangement. Borrowing in other words.

You shouldn't traduce McDonnell in that way. It might not be borrowing.

Printing is always an option.

Or create a new currency. Corbyn Credits?

Corbyt-coin

Scanned the Conservative manifesto. Lots of wriggle room in most of it but emphatic that they will scrap the Fixed Term Parliament Act. That should get a lot of thumbs ups on here.

Blimey this report on BBC News at 10 from from Rother Valley is not great for Labour and Corbyn.

MarqueeMark said:

ozymandias said:

camel said:

humbugger said:

MaxPB said:

Benpointer said:

BluerBlue said:

nico67 said:

I wonder whether Damian Lyons Lowe from Survation are doing some polling including a question on the Waspi women . Going by his tweet he thinks this is likely to hurt the Tories.

Will the question include the information that it will cost the public an extra £58 billion in uncosted borrowing and / or taxes? Because that seems like a relevant piece of context, no?

Are there some workings behind the £58bn?

Yes, but nothing in the way of costings. It's a completely unfunded policy.

Be fair now. McDonnell says the funding is a very special arrangement. Borrowing in other words.

You shouldn't traduce McDonnell in that way. It might not be borrowing.

Printing is always an option.

Or create a new currency. Corbyn Credits?

Corbyt-coin

Brilliant. Redeemable at your local Red Star store where you can purchase any number of Venezuelan, Cuban or North Korean goods.

dellertronic said:

stodge said:

Ave_it said:

Anyone voting LD this time?

Yes, me. Anyone voting Conservative?

Me , for the first time at my 9th general election

Welcome to Hell! 😆

CorrectHorseBattery said:

nico67 said:

I wonder whether Damian Lyons Lowe from Survation are doing some polling including a question on the Waspi women . Going by his tweet he thinks this is likely to hurt the Tories.

He's an interesting one to watch for sure. He seems quite cynical about the polls in general, probably because of how much he was ridiculed last time.

Aren't we due another Survation poll or have I missed one this weekend?

Casino_Royale said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Casino_Royale said:

Just finished season three of The Crown.

Rather slow and nothing like as good as the first two.

Wilson and Heath are good though. The episodes slow and tedious, except Aberfan.

The trouble is probably that as we come up to date, the writers lose historical perspective and start including all sorts of trivial incidents that they happen to remember. We have seen this with other series too.

It's not just that. It's the casting.

Olivia Coleman gets better as the series goes on but you still know it's her.

And Helena Bonham-Carter is just Helena Bonham-Carter, as always. You're never convinced for a second she's Margaret.

Having said that, Tobias Menzies is superb as Philip.

Apparently the reaction to it has higher ups at the studio worried for the next cast change. They're annoyed that Claire Foy and Matt Smith were so bloody good in seasons 1 and 2. It's a very tough act to follow and, unfortunately, Olivia Colman doesn't measure up. Hopefully she will hone in the performance for season 4 but she didn't make a believable queen this time around. With Claire Foy I was able to forget that it wasn't actually the queen I was watching, I didn't have any moment like that with Colman on screen which is a shame because I really hoped she would nail it.

camel said:

MarqueeMark said:

ozymandias said:

camel said:

humbugger said:

MaxPB said:

Benpointer said:

BluerBlue said:

nico67 said:

I wonder whether Damian Lyons Lowe from Survation are doing some polling including a question on the Waspi women . Going by his tweet he thinks this is likely to hurt the Tories.

Will the question include the information that it will cost the public an extra £58 billion in uncosted borrowing and / or taxes? Because that seems like a relevant piece of context, no?

Are there some workings behind the £58bn?

Yes, but nothing in the way of costings. It's a completely unfunded policy.

Be fair now. McDonnell says the funding is a very special arrangement. Borrowing in other words.

You shouldn't traduce McDonnell in that way. It might not be borrowing.

Printing is always an option.

Or create a new currency. Corbyn Credits?

Corbyt-coin

Excellent. Fresh air clearly leads to sharp wit.

Not the blockchain behind Corbyt-coin coin you have to worry about.

It's the blockheads.....

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Time_to_Leave said:

geoffw said:

Time_to_Leave said:

RobD said:

ozymandias said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

RobD said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

dellertronic said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

RobD said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

£2Bn for potholes

£1Bn for childcare

...

I know, they seem small in comparison to Labour's trillion pound bill, but it's still a lot of money.

Do you honestly think potholes deserve more money than childcare though?

As a childless singleton that doesn't drive I don't care about either. But anybody claiming to be green should oppose both subsiding care pollution and over population.

I personally think we should be encouraging the use of public transport as much as possible and phasing out cars entirely - that should be the ultimate goal IMHO

Not a fan of electric cars?

They're better than petrol and diesel cars - and if there is no reasonable public transport they seem like a good compromise. But fundamentally we need to transition away from private transport.

And rely on the State anytime we want to travel. Marvellous.

Plus the state knowing exactly where you are going all the time. Spooky!

Point of order - based on my trains into London, knowing I’ve caught one tells you very little little about either where I am or where I am going.

Are you sure your Trainline app doesn't tell Google?

No that only tells you where I should be and where I’m meant to be going.

"I'll tell you a riddle. You're waiting for a train, a train that will take you far away. You know where you hope this train will take you, but you don't know for sure. But it doesn't matter. How can it not matter to you where the train will take you?"

If you are a sad train loon?

MarqueeMark said:

Benpointer said:

MarqueeMark said:

GIN1138 said:

New Electoral Calculus projection takes Con up to a majority of 80

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html

Some remarkable ranges there:

............. Low Predicted High

Labour 123 - 202 - 281

LD 13 - 20 - 62

SNP 20 - 41 - 47

Con 247 - 365 - 448

448!!!! lolz

247!!!! lolzer!

(Admittedly there's more chance of Man U winning the Premiership but hey-ho!)

SNP 20 is quite a lolz too.

To dream, the impossible dream.....

I'll tell you what, you can have your SNP 20 if I can have my Con 247!

matt said:

Casino_Royale said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Casino_Royale said:

Just finished season three of The Crown.

Rather slow and nothing like as good as the first two.

Wilson and Heath are good though. The episodes slow and tedious, except Aberfan.

The trouble is probably that as we come up to date, the writers lose historical perspective and start including all sorts of trivial incidents that they happen to remember. We have seen this with other series too.

It's not just that. It's the casting.

Olivia Coleman gets better as the series goes on but you still know it's her.

And Helena Bonham-Carter is just Helena Bonham-Carter, as always. You're never convinced for a second she's Margaret.

Having said that, Tobias Menzies is superb as Philip.

Probably thoroughly unfair but I see Helena BC as the female actor equivalent of Hugh Grant - quite good in a specific character but can only do that character (with a nagging suspicion that all one is seeing is a slightly exaggerated version of themselves).

Did you see her in Fight Club? Or does nobody talk about that?

My wife is 65 next July she has had exactly zero notification that her state pension does not start til July 2021 not one single communication.

stodge said:

Evening all

Back to betting rather than the bear-pit for a moment.

I'm still sitting on my BUY of Conservative seats at 325 - should I cash out now and take a reasonable profit or should I stick it out? I think 360-380 is the range and I'd prefer more than 380 for obvious reasons - might happen but less certain than I was.

Looking at the election battles in East London, I can back Labour to win East Ham at 1/100 with Paddy and Betfair, not a bad bet and if you have £100k lying around and you want to have £101k on 13/12 it's as much a certainty as anything in this life.

The three seats which interest me in my neck of the woods are as follows:

Dagenham & Rainham: - Jon Cruddas is defending a majority of 4,652 and the Conservatives need a 5% swing which is right on the mark of the polls. The Tories are marginally favourites and you can bet 9/10 with Bet365 while Labour are Evens with Sky Bet which looks tempting. Many firms have both parties odds on suggesting this is going to be very close. For now, I'll stay out.

Ilford South: Mike Gapes held for Labour last time with a majority of 31.647 but he has defected to and is running as a Change UK - TIG candidate. He is on offer at 3s generally with Labour at 1/5. It's my experience MPs have an exaggerated view of their "personal" vote and I can't see Gapes holding this seat - indeed, I think he'll finish third. Labour at 1/5 looks a cracking bet.

Ilford North: Against the run of play, this was a rare Conservative loss in 2015 when Wes Streeting got home by 589 votes. Despite no UKIP candidate in 2017, Streeting stretched his majority to nearly 10,000. There is a BXP candidate this time and Labour are 1/5 with the Conservatives at 3s.

I simply can't understand how Labour are 1/5 in both Ilford seats - both prices are absurd. Labour should be 1/20 to hold Ilford South and shouldn't even be favourites to hold North.

I don't like betting odds on but the 1/5 for Labour to hold South is very tempting while the 3/1 for the Conservatives to take North is also worth a punt.

You think there is a chance of the Conservatives gaining Ilford North ???

I really can't see how they can overturn a near 10k majority in a seat which is moving demographically away from them.

You're right about Ilford South though.

timmo said:

partypoliticalorphan said:

Scanned the Conservative manifesto. Lots of wriggle room in most of it but emphatic that they will scrap the Fixed Term Parliament Act. That should get a lot of thumbs ups on here.

If they get a decent majority why would they do that? It's a guaranteed 5 years

Because they'd be able to go to the polls earlier if the opinion polling looked right i.e. revert to the typical tactic of looking for an election after around 4 years.

Benpointer said:

Met Office long range forecast for December:

Sunday 8 Dec - Sunday 22 Dec
The period is likely to begin on the cold side for most regions, with wintry showers at times in the north, and perhaps over high ground in the south. Widespread frosts and ice are also likely. There looks to be a change around mid-month to milder conditions, although the timing is very uncertain.

What could possibly go wrong with a December election?

1918?

1923?

RobD said:

Benpointer said:

geoffw said:

Benpointer said:

BluerBlue said:

nico67 said:

I wonder whether Damian Lyons Lowe from Survation are doing some polling including a question on the Waspi women . Going by his tweet he thinks this is likely to hurt the Tories.

Will the question include the information that it will cost the public an extra £58 billion in uncosted borrowing and / or taxes? Because that seems like a relevant piece of context, no?

Are there some workings behind the £58bn?

Number of women affected times the average amount of compensation.

Wow thanks for that insight!

I was rather wondering if anyone has the stats on numbers impacted and avereage amount per person.

£15,380 average, £31,300 maximum. A huge bung.

https://news.sky.com/story/general-election-2019-labours-58bn-pledge-to-right-waspi-injustice-11869005

Might we see the biggest gender divide this election?

squareroot2 said:

I just noticed perchance an old thread that mentions online v phone poll.. Does anyone phone poll/interview face to face anymore?

The regular Ipsos-MORI monitor is a phone poll.

As climate change has been mentioned can I ask if Greta and the XRs have been protesting at Chinese embassies since this was revealed ?

While the rest of the world has cut coal-based electricity over the past 18 months, China has added enough to power 31 million homes.

That's according to a study that says China is now in the process of building or reviving coal equivalent to the EU's entire generating capacity.

China is also financing around a quarter of all proposed coal plants outside its borders.

Researchers say the surge is a major threat to the Paris climate targets.

China's reliance on coal as a key step in developing the economy led to the fabled "one coal plant a week" building programme between 2006 and 2015.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-50474824

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Benpointer said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

nico67 said:

I wonder whether Damian Lyons Lowe from Survation are doing some polling including a question on the Waspi women . Going by his tweet he thinks this is likely to hurt the Tories.

He's an interesting one to watch for sure. He seems quite cynical about the polls in general, probably because of how much he was ridiculed last time.

Aren't we due another Survation poll or have I missed one this weekend?

One was leaked today, Labour closing the gap by one point, to 30, Tories on 41

It seems to have been pulled from Britain Elects . Could it be a fake poll or is it correct but just leaked . Do we have confirmation yet.

another_richard said:

As climate change has been mentioned can I ask if Greta and the XRs have been protesting at Chinese embassies since this was revealed ?

While the rest of the world has cut coal-based electricity over the past 18 months, China has added enough to power 31 million homes.

That's according to a study that says China is now in the process of building or reviving coal equivalent to the EU's entire generating capacity.

China is also financing around a quarter of all proposed coal plants outside its borders.

Researchers say the surge is a major threat to the Paris climate targets.

China's reliance on coal as a key step in developing the economy led to the fabled "one coal plant a week" building programme between 2006 and 2015.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-50474824

For that matter were Greta and the XRs protesting at Chinese embassies when this was reported in September 2018:

Building work has restarted at hundreds of Chinese coal-fired power stations, according to an analysis of satellite imagery.

The research, carried out by green campaigners CoalSwarm, suggests that 259 gigawatts of new capacity are under development in China.

The authors say this is the same capacity to produce electricity as the entire US coal fleet.

The study says government attempts to cancel many plants have failed.

According to this study, there was a surge in new coal projects approved at provincial level in China between 2014 and 2016. This happened because of a decentralisation programme that shifted authority over coal plant construction approvals to local authorities.

The report says that at present China has 993 gigawatts of coal power capacity, but the approved new plants would increase this by 25%.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-45640706

squareroot2 said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Time_to_Leave said:

geoffw said:

Time_to_Leave said:

RobD said:

ozymandias said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

RobD said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

dellertronic said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

RobD said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

£2Bn for potholes

£1Bn for childcare

...

I know, they seem small in comparison to Labour's trillion pound bill, but it's still a lot of money.

Do you honestly think potholes deserve more money than childcare though?

As a childless singleton that doesn't drive I don't care about either. But anybody claiming to be green should oppose both subsiding care pollution and over population.

I personally think we should be encouraging the use of public transport as much as possible and phasing out cars entirely - that should be the ultimate goal IMHO

Not a fan of electric cars?

They're better than petrol and diesel cars - and if there is no reasonable public transport they seem like a good compromise. But fundamentally we need to transition away from private transport.

And rely on the State anytime we want to travel. Marvellous.

Plus the state knowing exactly where you are going all the time. Spooky!

Point of order - based on my trains into London, knowing I’ve caught one tells you very little little about either where I am or where I am going.

Are you sure your Trainline app doesn't tell Google?

No that only tells you where I should be and where I’m meant to be going.

"I'll tell you a riddle. You're waiting for a train, a train that will take you far away. You know where you hope this train will take you, but you don't know for sure. But it doesn't matter. How can it not matter to you where the train will take you?"

If you are a sad train loon?

Talking of which - Sunil - ever been on this little fella?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre_Metro_Operations

squareroot2 said:

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£2Bn for potholes

£1Bn for childcare

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I know, they seem small in comparison to Labour's trillion pound bill, but it's still a lot of money.

Do you honestly think potholes deserve more money than childcare though?

As a childless singleton that doesn't drive I don't care about either. But anybody claiming to be green should oppose both subsiding care pollution and over population.

I personally think we should be encouraging the use of public transport as much as possible and phasing out cars entirely - that should be the ultimate goal IMHO

Not a fan of electric cars?

They're better than petrol and diesel cars - and if there is no reasonable public transport they seem like a good compromise. But fundamentally we need to transition away from private transport.

And rely on the State anytime we want to travel. Marvellous.

Plus the state knowing exactly where you are going all the time. Spooky!

Point of order - based on my trains into London, knowing I’ve caught one tells you very little little about either where I am or where I am going.

Are you sure your Trainline app doesn't tell Google?

No that only tells you where I should be and where I’m meant to be going.

"I'll tell you a riddle. You're waiting for a train, a train that will take you far away. You know where you hope this train will take you, but you don't know for sure. But it doesn't matter. How can it not matter to you where the train will take you?"

If you are a sad train loon?

Actually, the answer was: "Because we'll be together!"

squareroot2 said:

How long b4 NPEXMP. Is back.on trying to tell us that voters are now moving back to Labour?

You missed his report from Portsmouth then?

partypoliticalorphan said:

Scanned the Conservative manifesto. Lots of wriggle room in most of it but emphatic that they will scrap the Fixed Term Parliament Act. That should get a lot of thumbs ups on here.

Sure, but Labour are promising that too.

I'm more worried that the Tories vaguely promise they want to look at the relationship between government, parliament and the courts. Given how their most fervent Tories on here reacted to the prorogation decision - immediately saying it would mean political appointments in future - and given how Boris reacted, it looks like code for 'the court will feel my wrath'.

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I wonder whether Damian Lyons Lowe from Survation are doing some polling including a question on the Waspi women . Going by his tweet he thinks this is likely to hurt the Tories.

Anyone who believes an unfunded £58bn pledge made after the manifesto was published should be too thick to vote.

Anyone who believes 350m for the NHS should be too thick to vote.

https://twitter.com/guidofawkes/status/1198627938067001344?s=12

Case in point. Convicted criminal masquerading as a journalist but pushing lines that are helpful to one party.