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That's the killer.CarlottaVance said:"Fit to Govern" Con: 46%, Lab: 29%
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viewcode said "If you genuinely think human beings are ex officio a problem"
Well... obviously.
And I heartily approve of Dignitas by the way.
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I doubt the total amount is huge but the allowance is worth circa £250pa for each household who will lose this - AND THEY ARENT BIG EARNERS by definition.RobD said:
Corbyn’s love (tax) bomb?Scrapheap_as_was said:How long is it going to take someone in the media to pick up that it can't and isn't just the top 5% as is being claimed - abolishing the Marriage Tax allowance solely affects people who aren't higher rate taxpayers as a household with a higher earner can't claim it today.
It's only people with a low earning spouse (less than the personal allowance) and the other spouse being a basic rate taxpayer who can benefit.
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I love French idioms. One of my favourites is 'avoir le cul bordé de nouilles' (to have the arse surrounded by noodles), which means to be very lucky. Every French person I've asked knows the expression, but none of them have any idea why it signifies luck!CarlottaVance said:
The French, most irritatingly, have the perfect expression; L'esprit de l'escaliereek said:Annoyingly I've just remembered the question I wanted to ask which was:-
How can you claim 20,000 new police officers when 20,700 posts have been made redundant since 2010 and natural erosion means you need to recruit 3,000 a year anyway.
Grr and I don't think they are coming back.
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So basically you made it up.kinabalu said:
It's my intuitive interpretation of the reason for the change and its practical impact once drafted as proposed law. But if you get a reply which contradicts me, obviously I would defer to that.Cyclefree said:How do you get all that from this sentence - “We will uphold women’s reproductive rights and decriminalise abortions.” - which is what the manifesto says?
Anyway, I’ve sent them an email asking them what this wording means and, specifically, whether term limits will be removed. I’ll pass on any reply I get.
I suppose now I’ll be inundated with rubbish from them ......
I will see whether I get any reply and if the lovely Tulip drops by I can always ask her, of course......0 -
Stick him in the tabloids, point and laugh. It's a vote winner.Alistair said:
Being factually incorrect is not 'a view'wooliedyed said:
Yeah, fucking electorate and their inconvenient views. Stick em in the tabloids and shut them up.Alistair said:
He called someone a liar on national TV.wooliedyed said:
It does not require an article in a national newspaper. He could have been corrected by the panelist(s). No more is required, he is not a public figure nor seeking office.Harris_Tweed said:
He's being called out for being absolutely, demonstrably, factually wrong (which, while I understand QT may not be able to do live on air, they should certainly have done so to give context to their tweeted video). He is indeed in the top earning five per cent of taxpayers.wooliedyed said:
The press continuing their principled policy of belittling members of the public who don't follow the preferred lineAlistair said:
I don't favour anyone being "belittled" (and I can't see in that article where he is). But when absolute nonsense is touted as fact, and you're up against the intellectual might of Richard Burgon on TV, it's a really good thing that the facts are put right.
Too many people confuse "talking patent bollocks" with "being allowed an opinion" or "freedom of speech". The latter two are sacrosanct. The first needs to be challenged and fact checked.
If Burgon and co are too thick to correct him live that's their lookout
If he didn't want to be fact checked and proven to be an idiot he should have kept his trap shut.
'A view' would be "despite being in the top 5% of earners I feel Labour's tax policies would hit me to the extent it would make it a struggle to get by"
That's a view.
"You're lying about your tax proposals, I'm not even in the top 50% of earners" is the rantings of a self confident imbecile.
Definitely dont correct him live and have a productive discussion
Edit - if hed had a go at Pocohontas then chasing him with a pitchfork might be appropriate too0 -
I've just been poking around in the remote regions of the LibDem manifesto to see what's there (someone has to...). I was expecting my hackles to be raised, which to be fair they were in the obvious cases such as votes for children, mandatory gender-neutral school uniforms, and similar nonsense, but overall it looks pretty sensible. What I liked about it most is that it doesn't promise instant magical solutions to difficult problems, but instead in some of the difficult areas it proposes measures which seem to have some hope of actually improving things - for example on reducing reoffending, and measures to reduce violent crime.3
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"Good team of Leaders" Con: 37%, Lab 22% is bad too - and while Lab's 15 point lead on "Concerned about people in real need" is no surprise, their 3% (tie/lead) on "Looks after people like me" is.Casino_Royale said:
That's the killer.CarlottaVance said:"Fit to Govern" Con: 46%, Lab: 29%
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To be fair, it is a natural understanding of what is being proposed. Unfortunately Labour are so crazy I can see why some are more cynical.Cyclefree said:
So basically you made it up.kinabalu said:
It's my intuitive interpretation of the reason for the change and its practical impact once drafted as proposed law. But if you get a reply which contradicts me, obviously I would defer to that.Cyclefree said:How do you get all that from this sentence - “We will uphold women’s reproductive rights and decriminalise abortions.” - which is what the manifesto says?
Anyway, I’ve sent them an email asking them what this wording means and, specifically, whether term limits will be removed. I’ll pass on any reply I get.
I suppose now I’ll be inundated with rubbish from them ......
I will see whether I get any reply and if the lovely Tulip drops by I can always ask her, of course......0 -
Can anyone suggest any fun but obscure drinking game rules for election night?
I’ve got the usual seat losses of leaders. Newcastle beats Sunderland in the race to declare first. Etc.
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It's a difficult one, isn't it. Personally, I would allow abortions up to the twelfth trimester, but no later.isam said:
Quite incredible to me that the abortion of healthy unborn babies that were the result of consensual sex is allowed at allCyclefree said:
You can read the precise wording they have chosen in their manifesto. It says on page 48: “We will uphold women’s reproductive rights and decriminalise abortions..philiph said:
I would give them the benefit of the doubt on the content, but would expect some clarification.RobD said:The news on Labour’s abortion policy must be wrong or misinterpreted, surely?
It may be ambiguous, badly worded, mischievously misrepresented or misunderstood. I do not believe they are so unconnected to life, morality and reality to propose a full term - 1 day abortion limit.
It would have been easy to add the words “within the existing time limits”. But this has not been done. So either it is an oversight. Or deliberate - which seems to fit with the explanation given by the Labour spokesman today. Or maybe they do not understand the existing law. Who can say?
But it is not a wildly unreasonable reading of the manifesto’s own words to think that Labour intend making it lawful to have abortions right up to birth.0 -
Korean tales begin with 'back when Tigers used to smoke'TrèsDifficile said:
I love French idioms. One of my favourites is 'avoir le cul bordé de nouilles' (to have the arse surrounded by noodles), which means to be very lucky. Every French person I've asked knows the expression, but none of them have any idea why it signifies luck!CarlottaVance said:
The French, most irritatingly, have the perfect expression; L'esprit de l'escaliereek said:Annoyingly I've just remembered the question I wanted to ask which was:-
How can you claim 20,000 new police officers when 20,700 posts have been made redundant since 2010 and natural erosion means you need to recruit 3,000 a year anyway.
Grr and I don't think they are coming back.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L'esprit_de_l'escalier0 -
https://twitter.com/DrRosena/status/1197884965444366337
wonder how many other Labour MPs will do something like this.0 -
Every time "That can't be right" is mentioned?Gallowgate said:Can anyone suggest any fun but obscure drinking game rules for election night?
I’ve got the usual seat losses of leaders. Newcastle beats Sunderland in the race to declare first. Etc.
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Candidates wearing hats at the count. Triple if they win (spoiler they never win).Gallowgate said:Can anyone suggest any fun but obscure drinking game rules for election night?
I’ve got the usual seat losses of leaders. Newcastle beats Sunderland in the race to declare first. Etc.
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Someone questioning the exit poll (double shots if someone threatens to eat their hat).Gallowgate said:Can anyone suggest any fun but obscure drinking game rules for election night?
I’ve got the usual seat losses of leaders. Newcastle beats Sunderland in the race to declare first. Etc.
Any ideas?0 -
I'm glad you enjoyed your time in the LD undergrowth, my friend.Richard_Nabavi said:I've just been poking around in the remote regions of the LibDem manifesto to see what's there (someone has to...). I was expecting my hackles to be raised, which to be fair they were in the obvious cases such as votes for children, mandatory gender-neutral school uniforms, and similar nonsense, but overall it looks pretty sensible. What I liked about it most is that it doesn't promise instant magical solutions to difficult problems, but instead in some of the difficult areas it proposes measures which seem to have some hope of actually improving things - for example on reducing reoffending, and measures to reduce violent crime.
I'm surprisingly impressed by it as a document as well. If only we could skim off some of the sillier froth we'd have a serious document which should appeal to moderate conservatives and many on the centre-left.
It's light years in front of the Labour manifesto and I suspect will look a lot better than the Conservative offering.0 -
Twelfth trimester is 36 months!rcs1000 said:
It's a difficult one, isn't it. Personally, I would allow abortions up to the twelfth trimester, but no later.isam said:
Quite incredible to me that the abortion of healthy unborn babies that were the result of consensual sex is allowed at allCyclefree said:
You can read the precise wording they have chosen in their manifesto. It says on page 48: “We will uphold women’s reproductive rights and decriminalise abortions..philiph said:
I would give them the benefit of the doubt on the content, but would expect some clarification.RobD said:The news on Labour’s abortion policy must be wrong or misinterpreted, surely?
It may be ambiguous, badly worded, mischievously misrepresented or misunderstood. I do not believe they are so unconnected to life, morality and reality to propose a full term - 1 day abortion limit.
It would have been easy to add the words “within the existing time limits”. But this has not been done. So either it is an oversight. Or deliberate - which seems to fit with the explanation given by the Labour spokesman today. Or maybe they do not understand the existing law. Who can say?
But it is not a wildly unreasonable reading of the manifesto’s own words to think that Labour intend making it lawful to have abortions right up to birth.0 -
We'll be on the floor by 10.30.....ozymandias said:
Every time "That can't be right" is mentioned?Gallowgate said:Can anyone suggest any fun but obscure drinking game rules for election night?
I’ve got the usual seat losses of leaders. Newcastle beats Sunderland in the race to declare first. Etc.
Any ideas?0 -
A shot for any swing in xs of 10% between winner and second placeGallowgate said:Can anyone suggest any fun but obscure drinking game rules for election night?
I’ve got the usual seat losses of leaders. Newcastle beats Sunderland in the race to declare first. Etc.
Any ideas?
A shot on hearing selected banker phrases 'a challenging night' 'obviously we are disappointed' etc (maybe shot the first time uttered)
Down your drink when any multiple of 100 seats reached
Yard of ale for the big majority 3260 -
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Labour would be well-advised not to let questions like "so a strapping six-footer with a beard and workboots can walk into a ladies changing room and take his clothes off because he self-identifies as a woman?" ...become an election issue outside the bounds of Mumsnet and Twitter.Endillion said:
I'm really starting to wonder how Labour are going to manage the competing demands from all the special interest groups they're cultivating. We've already seen a split open up on the Muslim/LGBT front with regards to education, and the feminist/trans rights situation seems to get more complicated by the day. It's surely only a matter of time before we get animal welfare right vs Muslims (and Jews, not that that's likely to matter) on ritual slaughter, and potentially a parallel issue on circumcision. I guess they'll all stay together at least as long as they can agree they hate the Tories more than anyone else.CarlottaVance said:Another not happy about the Labour manifesto:
https://twitter.com/helenlewis/status/1197778910836117504?s=20
Because my suspicion is Corbyn would soon wish the reanimated corpses of Yasser Arafat and Martin McGuinness were in his shadow cabinet and appearing on Question Time for him.0 -
New You Gov on Wiki?0
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The teetotal triathlon?Gallowgate said:Can anyone suggest any fun but obscure drinking game rules for election night?
I’ve got the usual seat losses of leaders. Newcastle beats Sunderland in the race to declare first. Etc.
Any ideas?0 -
Was mentioned on here earlier. Might be a combination of earlier polls given the fieldwork date.ozymandias said:New You Gov on Wiki?
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I claim a little more than that! I fused what I know is the symbolic principle being elevated - a women's body belongs to her - with a 'thinking cap' assumption that in practice late stage terminations will not be purely down to the pregnant woman.Cyclefree said:So basically you made it up.
I will see whether I get any reply and if the lovely Tulip drops by I can always ask her, of course......0 -
New You Gov poll on wiki - 11,277 polled
Con - 43
Labour -29
Lib Dem - 15
Brexit - 4
Green - 30 -
Double shot for any Bob Marshall Andrews winning after conceding shenanigans0
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Labour on minus 29? The manifesto may have been a tad unpopular....MilesPartridge said:New You Gov poll on wiki - 11,277 polled
Con - 43
Labour -29
Lib Dem - 15
Brexit - 4
Green - 3
I’ll get my coat.0 -
A man can dreamRobD said:
Labour on minus 29? The manifesto may have been a tad unpopular....MilesPartridge said:New You Gov poll on wiki - 11,277 polled
Con - 43
Labour -29
Lib Dem - 15
Brexit - 4
Green - 3
I’ll get my coat.0 -
Nasty shot of tia Maria and Malibu to be downed on first confirmed sighting of George Galloway0
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To be fair, Robert has scaled back the limit. He used to say the 21st trimester.noneoftheabove said:
Twelfth trimester is 36 months!rcs1000 said:
It's a difficult one, isn't it. Personally, I would allow abortions up to the twelfth trimester, but no later.isam said:
Quite incredible to me that the abortion of healthy unborn babies that were the result of consensual sex is allowed at allCyclefree said:
You can read the precise wording they have chosen in their manifesto. It says on page 48: “We will uphold women’s reproductive rights and decriminalise abortions..philiph said:
I would give them the benefit of the doubt on the content, but would expect some clarification.RobD said:The news on Labour’s abortion policy must be wrong or misinterpreted, surely?
It may be ambiguous, badly worded, mischievously misrepresented or misunderstood. I do not believe they are so unconnected to life, morality and reality to propose a full term - 1 day abortion limit.
It would have been easy to add the words “within the existing time limits”. But this has not been done. So either it is an oversight. Or deliberate - which seems to fit with the explanation given by the Labour spokesman today. Or maybe they do not understand the existing law. Who can say?
But it is not a wildly unreasonable reading of the manifesto’s own words to think that Labour intend making it lawful to have abortions right up to birth.1 -
I have no real issues with the Lib Dems manifestoRichard_Nabavi said:I've just been poking around in the remote regions of the LibDem manifesto to see what's there (someone has to...). I was expecting my hackles to be raised, which to be fair they were in the obvious cases such as votes for children, mandatory gender-neutral school uniforms, and similar nonsense, but overall it looks pretty sensible. What I liked about it most is that it doesn't promise instant magical solutions to difficult problems, but instead in some of the difficult areas it proposes measures which seem to have some hope of actually improving things - for example on reducing reoffending, and measures to reduce violent crime.
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A shot for each recount.wooliedyed said:
A shot for any swing in xs of 10% between winner and second placeGallowgate said:Can anyone suggest any fun but obscure drinking game rules for election night?
I’ve got the usual seat losses of leaders. Newcastle beats Sunderland in the race to declare first. Etc.
Any ideas?
A shot on hearing selected banker phrases 'a challenging night' 'obviously we are disappointed' etc (maybe shot the first time uttered)
Down your drink when any multiple of 100 seats reached
Yard of ale for the big majority 326
A shot if Cabinet Member/Shadow Cabinet Member loses seat.
A double if independent takes seat.
A shot for each corrected result - Con take Bootle.0 -
He was corrected live. He continued to call Burgon a liar.wooliedyed said:
Stick him in the tabloids, point and laugh. It's a vote winner.Alistair said:
Being factually incorrect is not 'a view'wooliedyed said:
Yeah, fucking electorate and their inconvenient views. Stick em in the tabloids and shut them up.Alistair said:
He called someone a liar on national TV.wooliedyed said:
It does not require an article in a national newspaper. He could have been corrected by the panelist(s). No more is required, he is not a public figure nor seeking office.Harris_Tweed said:
He's being called out for being absolutely, demonstrably, factually wrong (which, while I understand QT may not be able to do live on air, they should certainly have done so to give context to their tweeted video). He is indeed in the top earning five per cent of taxpayers.wooliedyed said:
The press continuing their principled policy of belittling members of the public who don't follow the preferred lineAlistair said:
I don't favour anyone being "belittled" (and I can't see in that article where he is). But when absolute nonsense is touted as fact, and you're up against the intellectual might of Richard Burgon on TV, it's a really good thing that the facts are put right.
Too many people confuse "talking patent bollocks" with "being allowed an opinion" or "freedom of speech". The latter two are sacrosanct. The first needs to be challenged and fact checked.
If Burgon and co are too thick to correct him live that's their lookout
If he didn't want to be fact checked and proven to be an idiot he should have kept his trap shut.
'A view' would be "despite being in the top 5% of earners I feel Labour's tax policies would hit me to the extent it would make it a struggle to get by"
That's a view.
"You're lying about your tax proposals, I'm not even in the top 50% of earners" is the rantings of a self confident imbecile.
Definitely dont correct him live and have a productive discussion
Edit - if hed had a go at Pocohontas then chasing him with a pitchfork might be appropriate too1 -
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Pour a double if Galloway loses his deposit.wooliedyed said:Nasty shot of tia Maria and Malibu to be downed on first confirmed sighting of George Galloway
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A shot of something beginning with the same letter as their surname when you hear 'I'm hearing xxxxxx might be in trouble in......'dr_spyn said:
A shot for each recount.wooliedyed said:
A shot for any swing in xs of 10% between winner and second placeGallowgate said:Can anyone suggest any fun but obscure drinking game rules for election night?
I’ve got the usual seat losses of leaders. Newcastle beats Sunderland in the race to declare first. Etc.
Any ideas?
A shot on hearing selected banker phrases 'a challenging night' 'obviously we are disappointed' etc (maybe shot the first time uttered)
Down your drink when any multiple of 100 seats reached
Yard of ale for the big majority 326
A shot if Cabinet Member/Shadow Cabinet Member loses seat.
A double if independent takes seat.
A shot for each corrected result - Con take Bootle.0 -
https://twitter.com/MattSingh_/status/1197898558051102720?s=20RobD said:
Was mentioned on here earlier. Might be a combination of earlier polls given the fieldwork date.ozymandias said:New You Gov on Wiki?
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I was wondering if that was a joke or not!noneoftheabove said:
Twelfth trimester is 36 months!rcs1000 said:
It's a difficult one, isn't it. Personally, I would allow abortions up to the twelfth trimester, but no later.isam said:
Quite incredible to me that the abortion of healthy unborn babies that were the result of consensual sex is allowed at allCyclefree said:
You can read the precise wording they have chosen in their manifesto. It says on page 48: “We will uphold women’s reproductive rights and decriminalise abortions..philiph said:
I would give them the benefit of the doubt on the content, but would expect some clarification.RobD said:The news on Labour’s abortion policy must be wrong or misinterpreted, surely?
It may be ambiguous, badly worded, mischievously misrepresented or misunderstood. I do not believe they are so unconnected to life, morality and reality to propose a full term - 1 day abortion limit.
It would have been easy to add the words “within the existing time limits”. But this has not been done. So either it is an oversight. Or deliberate - which seems to fit with the explanation given by the Labour spokesman today. Or maybe they do not understand the existing law. Who can say?
But it is not a wildly unreasonable reading of the manifesto’s own words to think that Labour intend making it lawful to have abortions right up to birth.0 -
''look I know that Corbyn guy is a bit of a radical, and his mate McDonnell is a bit tasty, but elect me and I'll have a word...''dr_spyn said:https://twitter.com/DrRosena/status/1197884965444366337
wonder how many other Labour MPs will do something like this.0 -
Unless something's going to "drop" imminently I think that must be some sort of YouGov "poll of polls" as this is the last poll they are showing on their TwitterMilesPartridge said:New You Gov poll on wiki - 11,277 polled
Con - 43
Labour -29
Lib Dem - 15
Brexit - 4
Green - 3
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/11968544202412892170 -
LOL. So that gets you through the terrible twos.noneoftheabove said:
Twelfth trimester is 36 months!rcs1000 said:
It's a difficult one, isn't it. Personally, I would allow abortions up to the twelfth trimester, but no later.isam said:
Quite incredible to me that the abortion of healthy unborn babies that were the result of consensual sex is allowed at allCyclefree said:
You can read the precise wording they have chosen in their manifesto. It says on page 48: “We will uphold women’s reproductive rights and decriminalise abortions..philiph said:
I would give them the benefit of the doubt on the content, but would expect some clarification.RobD said:The news on Labour’s abortion policy must be wrong or misinterpreted, surely?
It may be ambiguous, badly worded, mischievously misrepresented or misunderstood. I do not believe they are so unconnected to life, morality and reality to propose a full term - 1 day abortion limit.
It would have been easy to add the words “within the existing time limits”. But this has not been done. So either it is an oversight. Or deliberate - which seems to fit with the explanation given by the Labour spokesman today. Or maybe they do not understand the existing law. Who can say?
But it is not a wildly unreasonable reading of the manifesto’s own words to think that Labour intend making it lawful to have abortions right up to birth.
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I like this one!wooliedyed said:
A shot of something beginning with the same letter as their surname when you hear 'I'm hearing xxxxxx might be in trouble in......'dr_spyn said:
A shot for each recount.wooliedyed said:
A shot for any swing in xs of 10% between winner and second placeGallowgate said:Can anyone suggest any fun but obscure drinking game rules for election night?
I’ve got the usual seat losses of leaders. Newcastle beats Sunderland in the race to declare first. Etc.
Any ideas?
A shot on hearing selected banker phrases 'a challenging night' 'obviously we are disappointed' etc (maybe shot the first time uttered)
Down your drink when any multiple of 100 seats reached
Yard of ale for the big majority 326
A shot if Cabinet Member/Shadow Cabinet Member loses seat.
A double if independent takes seat.
A shot for each corrected result - Con take Bootle.0 -
Though his dad "Phil" doesn't sound like a "wealthy Duke"....Alistair said:
He was corrected live. He continued to call Burgon a liar.wooliedyed said:
Stick him in the tabloids, point and laugh. It's a vote winner.Alistair said:
Being factually incorrect is not 'a view'wooliedyed said:
Yeah, fucking electorate and their inconvenient views. Stick em in the tabloids and shut them up.Alistair said:
He called someone a liar on national TV.wooliedyed said:
It does not require an article in a national newspaper. He could have been corrected by the panelist(s). No more is required, he is not a public figure nor seeking office.Harris_Tweed said:
He's being called out for being absolutely, demonstrably, factually wrong (which, while I understand QT may not be able to do live on air, they should certainly have done so to give context to their tweeted video). He is indeed in the top earning five per cent of taxpayers.wooliedyed said:
The press continuing their principled policy of belittling members of the public who don't follow the preferred lineAlistair said:
I don't favour anyone being "belittled" (and I can't see in that article where he is). But when absolute nonsense is touted as fact, and you're up against the intellectual might of Richard Burgon on TV, it's a really good thing that the facts are put right.
Too many people confuse "talking patent bollocks" with "being allowed an opinion" or "freedom of speech". The latter two are sacrosanct. The first needs to be challenged and fact checked.
If Burgon and co are too thick to correct him live that's their lookout
If he didn't want to be fact checked and proven to be an idiot he should have kept his trap shut.
'A view' would be "despite being in the top 5% of earners I feel Labour's tax policies would hit me to the extent it would make it a struggle to get by"
That's a view.
"You're lying about your tax proposals, I'm not even in the top 50% of earners" is the rantings of a self confident imbecile.
Definitely dont correct him live and have a productive discussion
Edit - if hed had a go at Pocohontas then chasing him with a pitchfork might be appropriate too0 -
Well, he's right there, to be fair.Alistair said:
He was corrected live. He continued to call Burgon a liar.wooliedyed said:
Stick him in the tabloids, point and laugh. It's a vote winner.Alistair said:
Being factually incorrect is not 'a view'wooliedyed said:
Yeah, fucking electorate and their inconvenient views. Stick em in the tabloids and shut them up.Alistair said:
He called someone a liar on national TV.wooliedyed said:
It does not require an article in a national newspaper. He could have been corrected by the panelist(s). No more is required, he is not a public figure nor seeking office.Harris_Tweed said:
He's being called out for being absolutely, demonstrably, factually wrong (which, while I understand QT may not be able to do live on air, they should certainly have done so to give context to their tweeted video). He is indeed in the top earning five per cent of taxpayers.wooliedyed said:
The press continuing their principled policy of belittling members of the public who don't follow the preferred lineAlistair said:
I don't favour anyone being "belittled" (and I can't see in that article where he is). But when absolute nonsense is touted as fact, and you're up against the intellectual might of Richard Burgon on TV, it's a really good thing that the facts are put right.
Too many people confuse "talking patent bollocks" with "being allowed an opinion" or "freedom of speech". The latter two are sacrosanct. The first needs to be challenged and fact checked.
If Burgon and co are too thick to correct him live that's their lookout
If he didn't want to be fact checked and proven to be an idiot he should have kept his trap shut.
'A view' would be "despite being in the top 5% of earners I feel Labour's tax policies would hit me to the extent it would make it a struggle to get by"
That's a view.
"You're lying about your tax proposals, I'm not even in the top 50% of earners" is the rantings of a self confident imbecile.
Definitely dont correct him live and have a productive discussion
Edit - if hed had a go at Pocohontas then chasing him with a pitchfork might be appropriate too0 -
Two views here:-kinabalu said:
I claim a little more than that! I fused what I know is the symbolic principle being elevated - a women's body belongs to her - with a 'thinking cap' assumption that in practice late stage terminations will not be purely down to the pregnant woman.Cyclefree said:So basically you made it up.
I will see whether I get any reply and if the lovely Tulip drops by I can always ask her, of course......
1. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-manifesto-abortion-rights-reproductive-corbyn-women-a9212481.html
2. https://catholicherald.co.uk/news/2019/11/21/labour-would-totally-decriminalise-abortion-party-spokeswoman-confirms/
I suspect that the intention - at least on the part of some - may be to remove the requirement to have the approval of 2 doctors.
But that still leaves the question of whether abortion will be available on demand (a) for any reason at all e.g. I don't want to have a girl; and (b) at all stages of the pregnancy eg at 8 months 3 weeks.
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If you average the last three Yougov polls then you get that result (or close enough, the Greens are slightly out but that may be rounding).GIN1138 said:
Unless something's going to "drop" imminently I think that must be some sort of YouGov "poll of polls" as this is the last poll they are showing on their TwitterMilesPartridge said:New You Gov poll on wiki - 11,277 polled
Con - 43
Labour -29
Lib Dem - 15
Brexit - 4
Green - 3
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Then its lynch mob or naked walk of shame. How very dare he.Alistair said:
He was corrected live. He continued to call Burgon a liar.wooliedyed said:
Stick him in the tabloids, point and laugh. It's a vote winner.Alistair said:
Being factually incorrect is not 'a view'wooliedyed said:
Yeah, fucking electorate and their inconvenient views. Stick em in the tabloids and shut them up.Alistair said:
He called someone a liar on national TV.wooliedyed said:
It does not require an article in a national newspaper. He could have been corrected by the panelist(s). No more is required, he is not a public figure nor seeking office.Harris_Tweed said:
He's being called out for being absolutely, demonstrably, factually wrong (which, while I understand QT may not be able to do live on air, they should certainly have done so to give context to their tweeted video). He is indeed in the top earning five per cent of taxpayers.wooliedyed said:
The press continuing their principled policy of belittling members of the public who don't follow the preferred lineAlistair said:
I don't favour anyone being "belittled" (and I can't see in that article where he is). But when absolute nonsense is touted as fact, and you're up against the intellectual might of Richard Burgon on TV, it's a really good thing that the facts are put right.
Too many people confuse "talking patent bollocks" with "being allowed an opinion" or "freedom of speech". The latter two are sacrosanct. The first needs to be challenged and fact checked.
If Burgon and co are too thick to correct him live that's their lookout
If he didn't want to be fact checked and proven to be an idiot he should have kept his trap shut.
'A view' would be "despite being in the top 5% of earners I feel Labour's tax policies would hit me to the extent it would make it a struggle to get by"
That's a view.
"You're lying about your tax proposals, I'm not even in the top 50% of earners" is the rantings of a self confident imbecile.
Definitely dont correct him live and have a productive discussion
Edit - if hed had a go at Pocohontas then chasing him with a pitchfork might be appropriate too
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I think we've had one in 22 years (a Tory trying to get the seat back after a couple of terms of New Labour). Mind you, given we're virtually the last house in a mahoosive constituency, and a mile away from the nearest village, I'll cut them some slack.Stocky said:eek said: "Just had the conservatives around."
I live in Daventry constituency and I can honestly say that in the twenty five years I`ve lived here I`ve never once had a polical candidate knock at my door or, for that matter, been asked to participate in a political survey.
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I can't decide whether, if (big if) Labour's manifesto completely unravels over the abortion issue, that'll be hilarious or sad. There are so many more ridiculous things to go after, but I can totally see them being incapable of clarifying this obviously unintentional screwup and it spiralling out of control.0
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Prince Andrew would be a counterexample.CarlottaVance said:
Though his dad "Phil" doesn't sound like a "wealthy Duke"....Alistair said:
He was corrected live. He continued to call Burgon a liar.wooliedyed said:
Stick him in the tabloids, point and laugh. It's a vote winner.Alistair said:
Being factually incorrect is not 'a view'wooliedyed said:
Yeah, fucking electorate and their inconvenient views. Stick em in the tabloids and shut them up.Alistair said:
He called someone a liar on national TV.wooliedyed said:
It does not require an article in a national newspaper. He could have been corrected by the panelist(s). No more is required, he is not a public figure nor seeking office.Harris_Tweed said:
He's being called out for being absolutely, demonstrably, factually wrong (which, while I understand QT may not be able to do live on air, they should certainly have done so to give context to their tweeted video). He is indeed in the top earning five per cent of taxpayers.wooliedyed said:
The press continuing their principled policy of belittling members of the public who don't follow the preferred lineAlistair said:
I don't favour anyone being "belittled" (and I can't see in that article where he is). But when absolute nonsense is touted as fact, and you're up against the intellectual might of Richard Burgon on TV, it's a really good thing that the facts are put right.
Too many people confuse "talking patent bollocks" with "being allowed an opinion" or "freedom of speech". The latter two are sacrosanct. The first needs to be challenged and fact checked.
If Burgon and co are too thick to correct him live that's their lookout
If he didn't want to be fact checked and proven to be an idiot he should have kept his trap shut.
'A view' would be "despite being in the top 5% of earners I feel Labour's tax policies would hit me to the extent it would make it a struggle to get by"
That's a view.
"You're lying about your tax proposals, I'm not even in the top 50% of earners" is the rantings of a self confident imbecile.
Definitely dont correct him live and have a productive discussion
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It is already a real concern to a lot of women. It has been aired in the Times; see here - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/politicians-are-betraying-women-in-the-rush-to-support-trans-rights-xzvhcf7m8.Harris_Tweed said:
Labour would be well-advised not to let questions like "so a strapping six-footer with a beard and workboots can walk into a ladies changing room and take his clothes off because he self-identifies as a woman?" ...become an election issue outside the bounds of Mumsnet and Twitter.Endillion said:
I'm really starting to wonder how Labour are going to manage the competing demands from all the special interest groups they're cultivating. We've already seen a split open up on the Muslim/LGBT front with regards to education, and the feminist/trans rights situation seems to get more complicated by the day. It's surely only a matter of time before we get animal welfare right vs Muslims (and Jews, not that that's likely to matter) on ritual slaughter, and potentially a parallel issue on circumcision. I guess they'll all stay together at least as long as they can agree they hate the Tories more than anyone else.CarlottaVance said:Another not happy about the Labour manifesto:
https://twitter.com/helenlewis/status/1197778910836117504?s=20
Because my suspicion is Corbyn would soon wish the reanimated corpses of Yasser Arafat and Martin McGuinness were in his shadow cabinet and appearing on Question Time for him.
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The one upside to a Johnson majority is that then hopefully the Labour Party will have the sense to put Jeremy Corbyn out of our misery (and hopefully not replace him with someone equally useless)
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/jeremy-corbyn-not-equipped-to-run-britain-say-three-in-four-voters/ar-BBXatAv?ocid=spartanntp0 -
Pretty remarkable given the Tories have been at least as if not more divided.CarlottaVance said:"Fit to Govern" Con: 46%, Lab: 29%
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The first of those sounds like the hard part they haven't thought through....the second surely not.Cyclefree said:
But that still leaves the question of whether abortion will be available on demand (a) for any reason at all e.g. I don't want to have a girl; and (b) at all stages of the pregnancy eg at 8 months 3 weeks.kinabalu said:
I claim a little more than that! I fused what I know is the symbolic principle being elevated - a women's body belongs to her - with a 'thinking cap' assumption that in practice late stage terminations will not be purely down to the pregnant woman.Cyclefree said:So basically you made it up.
I will see whether I get any reply and if the lovely Tulip drops by I can always ask her, of course......
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Down a shot every time someone announces themselves as the "Acting" Returning Officer.Gallowgate said:Can anyone suggest any fun but obscure drinking game rules for election night?
I’ve got the usual seat losses of leaders. Newcastle beats Sunderland in the race to declare first. Etc.
Any ideas?
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Why assume that it is an “obviously unintentional” screw up? It may well be the intention: abortion on demand throughout pregnancy. It has the virtue of consistency and is entirely in line with a view which holds that a woman should have complete control over her own body.Endillion said:I can't decide whether, if (big if) Labour's manifesto completely unravels over the abortion issue, that'll be hilarious or sad. There are so many more ridiculous things to go after, but I can totally see them being incapable of clarifying this obviously unintentional screwup and it spiralling out of control.
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Bottle of babycham down in one when the first SDP or Original and best Liberal Party candidate appearsSandyRentool said:
Down a shot every time someone announces themselves as the "Acting" Returning Officer.Gallowgate said:Can anyone suggest any fun but obscure drinking game rules for election night?
I’ve got the usual seat losses of leaders. Newcastle beats Sunderland in the race to declare first. Etc.
Any ideas?
Did the actual returning officer fancy an early night or what?1 -
Last week we also won one from the LibDems in Torbay/Totnes (it straddles the constituency boundary).nunu2 said:0 -
sounds more like a serving suggestion on I'm a celebrity....TrèsDifficile said:
I love French idioms. One of my favourites is 'avoir le cul bordé de nouilles' (to have the arse surrounded by noodles), which means to be very lucky. Every French person I've asked knows the expression, but none of them have any idea why it signifies luck!CarlottaVance said:
The French, most irritatingly, have the perfect expression; L'esprit de l'escaliereek said:Annoyingly I've just remembered the question I wanted to ask which was:-
How can you claim 20,000 new police officers when 20,700 posts have been made redundant since 2010 and natural erosion means you need to recruit 3,000 a year anyway.
Grr and I don't think they are coming back.
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The best result ( post event) of the election would be that either someone sane like Kinnock jr, Benn jr, Cooper etc takes over or 150 of the leave and set up shop/join the Lib Dem’s.Nigel_Foremain said:The one upside to a Johnson majority is that then hopefully the Labour Party will have the sense to put Jeremy Corbyn out of our misery (and hopefully not replace him with someone equally useless)
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/jeremy-corbyn-not-equipped-to-run-britain-say-three-in-four-voters/ar-BBXatAv?ocid=spartanntp
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That is really very good. Slight problem is that she has the very unattractive ghost of Comrade Jeremy to haunt what would otherwise have been a very good pitch.contrarian said:
''look I know that Corbyn guy is a bit of a radical, and his mate McDonnell is a bit tasty, but elect me and I'll have a word...''dr_spyn said:https://twitter.com/DrRosena/status/1197884965444366337
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Except the front-runners to replace him are shite....Nigel_Foremain said:The one upside to a Johnson majority is that then hopefully the Labour Party will have the sense to put Jeremy Corbyn out of our misery (and hopefully not replace him with someone equally useless)
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/jeremy-corbyn-not-equipped-to-run-britain-say-three-in-four-voters/ar-BBXatAv?ocid=spartanntp0 -
As I was sayingCarlottaVance said:0 -
Well.....this suggests one etymology.....TrèsDifficile said:
I love French idioms. One of my favourites is 'avoir le cul bordé de nouilles' (to have the arse surrounded by noodles), which means to be very lucky. Every French person I've asked knows the expression, but none of them have any idea why it signifies luck!CarlottaVance said:
The French, most irritatingly, have the perfect expression; L'esprit de l'escaliereek said:Annoyingly I've just remembered the question I wanted to ask which was:-
How can you claim 20,000 new police officers when 20,700 posts have been made redundant since 2010 and natural erosion means you need to recruit 3,000 a year anyway.
Grr and I don't think they are coming back.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L'esprit_de_l'escalier
http://www.expressio.fr/expressions/avoir-le-cul-borde-de-nouilles.php
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Such a compassionate little soul, you are. If only we had more like you.wooliedyed said:Then its lynch mob or naked walk of shame. How very dare he.
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I have to confess that I find something very troubling about getting rid of a baby simply because it is a girl. It reinforces misogynistic views about women, particularly in some communities, a belief that women are not the equal of men, are not worth anything or not as much. How can a feminist - or, frankly, any self-respecting woman - not be troubled by this?CarlottaVance said:
The first of those sounds like the hard part they haven't thought through....the second surely not.Cyclefree said:
But that still leaves the question of whether abortion will be available on demand (a) for any reason at all e.g. I don't want to have a girl; and (b) at all stages of the pregnancy eg at 8 months 3 weeks.kinabalu said:
I claim a little more than that! I fused what I know is the symbolic principle being elevated - a women's body belongs to her - with a 'thinking cap' assumption that in practice late stage terminations will not be purely down to the pregnant woman.Cyclefree said:So basically you made it up.
I will see whether I get any reply and if the lovely Tulip drops by I can always ask her, of course......
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That is the problem. That said, they now have had three shit ones in a row, so maybe they just might think that the way someone comes across is important if you want to win.MarqueeMark said:
Except the front-runners to replace him are shite....Nigel_Foremain said:The one upside to a Johnson majority is that then hopefully the Labour Party will have the sense to put Jeremy Corbyn out of our misery (and hopefully not replace him with someone equally useless)
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/jeremy-corbyn-not-equipped-to-run-britain-say-three-in-four-voters/ar-BBXatAv?ocid=spartanntp0 -
Lots of top Conservatives seem to like the Lib Dems in this election. Of course, they were top Conservatives in the days when Conservatives were competent, honest and - to a greater or lesser extent - caring. It`s a great shame that the Conservative Party been taken over by a gang of buffoons, chancers and [MODERATED]Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have no real issues with the Lib Dems manifestoRichard_Nabavi said:I've just been poking around in the remote regions of the LibDem manifesto to see what's there (someone has to...). I was expecting my hackles to be raised, which to be fair they were in the obvious cases such as votes for children, mandatory gender-neutral school uniforms, and similar nonsense, but overall it looks pretty sensible. What I liked about it most is that it doesn't promise instant magical solutions to difficult problems, but instead in some of the difficult areas it proposes measures which seem to have some hope of actually improving things - for example on reducing reoffending, and measures to reduce violent crime.
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Sadly, I think it is unlikely any of those will take the Labour leadership, and Bozo Johnson will be relieved.welshowl said:
The best result ( post event) of the election would be that either someone sane like Kinnock jr, Benn jr, Cooper etc takes over or 150 of the leave and set up shop/join the Lib Dem’s.Nigel_Foremain said:The one upside to a Johnson majority is that then hopefully the Labour Party will have the sense to put Jeremy Corbyn out of our misery (and hopefully not replace him with someone equally useless)
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/jeremy-corbyn-not-equipped-to-run-britain-say-three-in-four-voters/ar-BBXatAv?ocid=spartanntp
We can then disagree to our hearts content about whatever but still sleep at night.0 -
I suspect if Labour don't "wise up" this time and put someone sensible in as leader they really will be at risk of being replaced by the Lib-Dems as the official Opposition in 2023/2024.Nigel_Foremain said:The one upside to a Johnson majority is that then hopefully the Labour Party will have the sense to put Jeremy Corbyn out of our misery (and hopefully not replace him with someone equally useless)
Think the public will leave them absolutely crystal clear that they're in the last chance saloon in three weeks time...0 -
I'm actually defending him and suggesting the media shouldn't be publishing hit pieces on people just for being wrong.kinabalu said:
Such a compassionate little soul, you are. If only we had more like you.wooliedyed said:Then its lynch mob or naked walk of shame. How very dare he.
If he was corrected the tabloid mocking was superfluous and unnecessary
As in 'the tabloid mocking was superfluous and unecessary'
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That one will put you in A&E...SandyRentool said:
Down a shot every time someone announces themselves as the "Acting" Returning Officer.Gallowgate said:Can anyone suggest any fun but obscure drinking game rules for election night?
I’ve got the usual seat losses of leaders. Newcastle beats Sunderland in the race to declare first. Etc.
Any ideas?
Did the actual returning officer fancy an early night or what?1 -
What's strange (except the obvious) about that Labour campaigning/anti-semitism tweet is the advice is so stupid. If someone is just using AS to trash Labour and aren't genuinely concerned about it, the answer is surely to politely and gently extricate yourself and move on as there are clearly no votes there. Not get into a heated debate about it.0
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Part of the problem is that quite a few of their members now seem to be in the fruit loop category.Nigel_Foremain said:
That is the problem. That said, they now have had three shit ones in a row, so maybe they just might think that the way someone comes across is important if you want to win.MarqueeMark said:
Except the front-runners to replace him are shite....Nigel_Foremain said:The one upside to a Johnson majority is that then hopefully the Labour Party will have the sense to put Jeremy Corbyn out of our misery (and hopefully not replace him with someone equally useless)
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/jeremy-corbyn-not-equipped-to-run-britain-say-three-in-four-voters/ar-BBXatAv?ocid=spartanntp
Things may only get worse.0 -
I should have sold my bitcoin when it was at $20k. Harrumph.AlastairMeeks said:0 -
How on earth is this a story?Selebian said:
He does say not in the top 50% once, at about 50 seconds, but getting quite angry at that point, probably just mis-spoke rather than really believing that, he doesn't repeat that claim. Could be I mis-hear 15% as 50% there, but I'm pretty sure it's 50%.TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh, George Osborne CH misled me.MarqueeMark said:
Er, top 5%.....TheScreamingEagles said:Did that chap really saying earning 80k didn’t put him in the top 50%?
That’s like saying you’re working class despite being privately educated and growing up in a family of doctors.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/bbc-question-time-audience-member-who-earns-more-than-80k-believes-it-doesnt-put-him-in-the-top-50-a4293496.html0 -
Yes sadly you are probably right.Nigel_Foremain said:
Sadly, I think it is unlikely any of those will take the Labour leadership, and Bozo Johnson will be relieved.welshowl said:
The best result ( post event) of the election would be that either someone sane like Kinnock jr, Benn jr, Cooper etc takes over or 150 of the leave and set up shop/join the Lib Dem’s.Nigel_Foremain said:The one upside to a Johnson majority is that then hopefully the Labour Party will have the sense to put Jeremy Corbyn out of our misery (and hopefully not replace him with someone equally useless)
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/jeremy-corbyn-not-equipped-to-run-britain-say-three-in-four-voters/ar-BBXatAv?ocid=spartanntp
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It will happen when those who wish it vote for it to happen, rather than bemoaning the choice on offer but leaving the actual voting to others.GIN1138 said:
I suspect if Labour don't "wise up" this time and put someone sensible in as leader they really will be at risk of being replaced by the Lib-Dems as the official Opposition in 2023/2024.Nigel_Foremain said:The one upside to a Johnson majority is that then hopefully the Labour Party will have the sense to put Jeremy Corbyn out of our misery (and hopefully not replace him with someone equally useless)
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Another extremist will take Corbyn's place. The membership will guarantee that.welshowl said:
The best result ( post event) of the election would be that either someone sane like Kinnock jr, Benn jr, Cooper etc takes over or 150 of the leave and set up shop/join the Lib Dem’s.Nigel_Foremain said:The one upside to a Johnson majority is that then hopefully the Labour Party will have the sense to put Jeremy Corbyn out of our misery (and hopefully not replace him with someone equally useless)
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/jeremy-corbyn-not-equipped-to-run-britain-say-three-in-four-voters/ar-BBXatAv?ocid=spartanntp
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Mr. D, could be worse. Apparently, in the early days some guy spent several of them buying a pizza.
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Added to my Con 340+ lay a little earlier when there were backers down at 1.79.
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It should be illegal.Cyclefree said:
I have to confess that I find something very troubling about getting rid of a baby simply because it is a girl. It reinforces misogynistic views about women, particularly in some communities, a belief that women are not the equal of men, are not worth anything or not as much. How can a feminist - or, frankly, any self-respecting woman - not be troubled by this?CarlottaVance said:
The first of those sounds like the hard part they haven't thought through....the second surely not.Cyclefree said:
But that still leaves the question of whether abortion will be available on demand (a) for any reason at all e.g. I don't want to have a girl; and (b) at all stages of the pregnancy eg at 8 months 3 weeks.kinabalu said:
I claim a little more than that! I fused what I know is the symbolic principle being elevated - a women's body belongs to her - with a 'thinking cap' assumption that in practice late stage terminations will not be purely down to the pregnant woman.Cyclefree said:So basically you made it up.
I will see whether I get any reply and if the lovely Tulip drops by I can always ask her, of course......
Its shocking that it currently isn't.
United Kingdom
The law on sex-selective abortion is unresolved in the United Kingdom. In order for an abortion to be legal, doctors need to show that continuing the pregnancy could threaten the physical or mental health of the mother. In a recent case, two doctors were caught on camera offering a sex-selective abortion but the Director of Public Prosecution deemed it not in the public interest to proceed with the prosecution.[171] Following this incidence, MPs voted 181 to 1 for a Bill put forward by Tessa Munt and 11 other MPs aiming to end confusion about the legality of this practice.[172][173] Organisations such as BPAS and Abortion Rights have been lobbying for the decriminalisation of sex-selective abortions.[174][175]
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How many Labour MPs were deselected in the end ? I might be wrong, but it seems to me that the PLP won't be significantly more left wing after the electionJason said:
Another extremist will take Corbyn's place. The membership will guarantee that.welshowl said:
The best result ( post event) of the election would be that either someone sane like Kinnock jr, Benn jr, Cooper etc takes over or 150 of the leave and set up shop/join the Lib Dem’s.Nigel_Foremain said:The one upside to a Johnson majority is that then hopefully the Labour Party will have the sense to put Jeremy Corbyn out of our misery (and hopefully not replace him with someone equally useless)
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/jeremy-corbyn-not-equipped-to-run-britain-say-three-in-four-voters/ar-BBXatAv?ocid=spartanntp
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There are very obvious safeguarding issues, if nothing else.Cyclefree said:
It is already a real concern to a lot of women. It has been aired in the Times; see here - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/politicians-are-betraying-women-in-the-rush-to-support-trans-rights-xzvhcf7m8.Harris_Tweed said:
Labour would be well-advised not to let questions like "so a strapping six-footer with a beard and workboots can walk into a ladies changing room and take his clothes off because he self-identifies as a woman?" ...become an election issue outside the bounds of Mumsnet and Twitter.Endillion said:
I'm really starting to wonder how Labour are going to manage the competing demands from all the special interest groups they're cultivating. We've already seen a split open up on the Muslim/LGBT front with regards to education, and the feminist/trans rights situation seems to get more complicated by the day. It's surely only a matter of time before we get animal welfare right vs Muslims (and Jews, not that that's likely to matter) on ritual slaughter, and potentially a parallel issue on circumcision. I guess they'll all stay together at least as long as they can agree they hate the Tories more than anyone else.CarlottaVance said:Another not happy about the Labour manifesto:
https://twitter.com/helenlewis/status/1197778910836117504?s=20
Because my suspicion is Corbyn would soon wish the reanimated corpses of Yasser Arafat and Martin McGuinness were in his shadow cabinet and appearing on Question Time for him.
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@ClippP - you dared to say it, but I had to delete it.0
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Isn`t the "proper" returning officer the sheriff, or even the Lord High Sheriff?Fysics_Teacher said:
That one will put you in A&E...SandyRentool said:Down a shot every time someone announces themselves as the "Acting" Returning Officer.
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It's not really fair that
Looks like they're being turfed out again in Scotland (See 2015), only this time round they'll be so far behind in many of their former "heartland" constituencies that they won't be able to mount the sort of mini-comeback like they did in 2017.GIN1138 said:
I suspect if Labour don't "wise up" this time and put someone sensible in as leader they really will be at risk of being replaced by the Lib-Dems as the official Opposition in 2023/2024.Nigel_Foremain said:The one upside to a Johnson majority is that then hopefully the Labour Party will have the sense to put Jeremy Corbyn out of our misery (and hopefully not replace him with someone equally useless)
Think the public will leave them absolutely crystal clear that they're in the last chance saloon in three weeks time...
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I think he spent like 10,000 bitcoins or something insane.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. D, could be worse. Apparently, in the early days some guy spent several of them buying a pizza.
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If you haven’t heard The Missing CryptoQueen on BBC Sounds about a cryptocurrency scam, do listen. Fascinating.AlastairMeeks said:0 -
Yes, I'd draw the line at the point they can start speaking in proper sentences.noneoftheabove said:
Twelfth trimester is 36 months!rcs1000 said:
It's a difficult one, isn't it. Personally, I would allow abortions up to the twelfth trimester, but no later.isam said:
Quite incredible to me that the abortion of healthy unborn babies that were the result of consensual sex is allowed at allCyclefree said:
You can read the precise wording they have chosen in their manifesto. It says on page 48: “We will uphold women’s reproductive rights and decriminalise abortions..philiph said:
I would give them the benefit of the doubt on the content, but would expect some clarification.RobD said:The news on Labour’s abortion policy must be wrong or misinterpreted, surely?
It may be ambiguous, badly worded, mischievously misrepresented or misunderstood. I do not believe they are so unconnected to life, morality and reality to propose a full term - 1 day abortion limit.
It would have been easy to add the words “within the existing time limits”. But this has not been done. So either it is an oversight. Or deliberate - which seems to fit with the explanation given by the Labour spokesman today. Or maybe they do not understand the existing law. Who can say?
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It is up to the MPs who gets on the ballot.Jason said:
Another extremist will take Corbyn's place. The membership will guarantee that.welshowl said:
The best result ( post event) of the election would be that either someone sane like Kinnock jr, Benn jr, Cooper etc takes over or 150 of the leave and set up shop/join the Lib Dem’s.Nigel_Foremain said:The one upside to a Johnson majority is that then hopefully the Labour Party will have the sense to put Jeremy Corbyn out of our misery (and hopefully not replace him with someone equally useless)
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/jeremy-corbyn-not-equipped-to-run-britain-say-three-in-four-voters/ar-BBXatAv?ocid=spartanntp
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Thanks for the info. Blast the LP.Scrapheap_as_was said:
I doubt the total amount is huge but the allowance is worth circa £250pa for each household who will lose this - AND THEY ARENT BIG EARNERS by definition.RobD said:
Corbyn’s love (tax) bomb?Scrapheap_as_was said:How long is it going to take someone in the media to pick up that it can't and isn't just the top 5% as is being claimed - abolishing the Marriage Tax allowance solely affects people who aren't higher rate taxpayers as a household with a higher earner can't claim it today.
It's only people with a low earning spouse (less than the personal allowance) and the other spouse being a basic rate taxpayer who can benefit.
So only households with no higher rate taxpayer are the ones who will lose out.
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So, because another country decides to allow baby-killing, the U.K. should too?rural_voter said:
So their policy is probably much the same as Canada's has been for decadesSandpit said:
Killing foxes - evil beyond recognition.wooliedyed said:
But dont even think about hurting those foxes!MarqueeMark said:
So there is now literally an abortion free-for-all in Northern Ireland, with no time limit? Any woman can turn up in Belfast and ask for a termination at eight and a half months? Just because, say, she doesn't like the sex of her baby?kamski said:
I don't think so. The Abortion Act 1967 never applied to Northern Ireland. Labour policy would bring England and Wales into line with the situation in Northern Ireland since October this year.MarqueeMark said:
So ther eiskamski said:
ummm the LibDem policy is also to decriminalise abortion (haven't checked other parties yet). Most Conservative MPs chose not to vote against decriminalising abortion in Northern Ireland. So which party should anyone "with a soul vote" for these days?Sandpit said:Labour need to urgently clarify their abortion policy if they wish anyone remotely religious (or with a soul) to vote for them.
https://righttolife.org.uk/news/labour-pledge-to-introduce-abortion-for-any-reason-up-to-birth/
These things are traditionally matters of conscience for MPs, and public opinion is that late abortions should be more restricted - rather than on-demand at 39 weeks.
Surely, there is a difference between the decriminalising abortion in NI - and removing the time limit of 23 weeks and 6 days of pregnancy, in line with the Abortion Act 1967?
Killing human babies in the womb - yeah, that’s okay, right up to 40 weeks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Canada
Labour have just opened a massive box belonging to Pandora, if they think that religious groups will just accept this and vote Labour because they always do. There’s a line that they’ve crossed, whereby people of otherwise lapsed religion start identifying themselves as such to oppose policies like abortion on demand.0
