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This is a betting market that we have hardly paid any attention to because Corbyn has appeared so secure. Well he’s indicated that if LAB loses the election then he will step down so the chances are that the fight could start before Christmas.
It seems clear that the only route to IndyRef 2 is Labour taking seats off the Tories. I'm hopeful this won't happen.
Keir Starmer will certainly have the 'woman only' card played against him, in the modern Labour party of virtue signalling that may prove to be a difficult hand to overcome against either Long Bailey or Pidcock.
True, and Labour have been slightly improving in the polls since then.
Plus the Corbynistas and Remainers have a big activist base and organization. I think both Lab and LD will overperform, especially given Tories are so triumphant, undisciplined and complacent.
Perhaps it would be easier to report on any new Labour candidates who DON'T have an anti-Semitic history?
I think so far in the last two days we've had: Views on Jews - Gordon (stood down) - Clacton (stood down) - Coventry S (clinging on, improbably) - Harlow (no pressure to stand down yet) - Birmingham Hall Green (2) (no pressure to stand down yet)
Plus Pudsey, which was basically just an inept defence of Coventry S candidate, above and has probably blown over already
We might also include Chris Williamson, Derby North, in the above list, although that was really just an administrative clearing-up exercise from a previous antisemtic episiode.
Views on Transsexuals: - Edinburgh SW (stood down - for advocating the death of people insufficiently keen on transsexuals) - Birmingham Hall Green (1) (Roger Godsdiff, sitting) (stood down - for being insufficiently keen on transsexuals)
Other: Bassetlaw (deselected, for, we think, being insufficiently left wing)
Perhaps it would be easier to report on any new Labour candidates who DON'T have an anti-Semitic history?
I think so far in the last two days we've had: Views on Jews - Gordon (stood down) - Clacton (stood down) - Coventry S (clinging on, improbably) - Harlow (no pressure to stand down yet) - Birmingham Hall Green (2) (no pressure to stand down yet)
Plus Pudsey, which was basically just an inept defence of Coventry S candidate, above and has probably blown over already
We might also include Chris Williamson, Derby North, in the above list, although that was really just an administrative clearing-up exercise from a previous antisemtic episiode.
Views on Transsexuals: - Edinburgh SW (stood down - for advocating the death of people insufficiently keen on transsexuals) - Birmingham Hall Green (1) (Roger Godsdiff, sitting) (stood down - for being insufficiently keen on transsexuals)
Other: Bassetlaw (deselected, for, we think, being insufficiently left wing)
Any others?
But they hardly got any coverage, especially compared to JRM insensitive comments and the Cairns stuff.
The Scotland only part of the poll is a fairly standard result once you plug it into electoral calculus.
Tories -10 Lab -5 LD +1 SNP +14
Leave the Tories with WAK, DCT and BRS
I suspect in such a scenario WAK would fall as well.
Whicg is annoying as that would take the SNP to 51 seats and I'd loose my SNP under 50.5 bet which at the moment looks a sure thing.
BRS is likely to be the last seat standing for the Tories, even in a wipeout scenario. The SNP have for more chance of ousting Fluffy Mundell that the terminally useless John Lamont.
True, and Labour have been slightly improving in the polls since then.
Plus the Corbynistas and Remainers have a big activist base and organization. I think both Lab and LD will overperform, especially given Tories are so triumphant, undisciplined and complacent.
This one is not.
I am still to be convinced of a Boris majority, as I said yesterday is 50/50 for me
True, and Labour have been slightly improving in the polls since then.
Plus the Corbynistas and Remainers have a big activist base and organization. I think both Lab and LD will overperform, especially given Tories are so triumphant, undisciplined and complacent.
This one is not.
I am still to be convinced of a Boris majority, as I said yesterday is 50/50 for me
It's interesting so many people are not convinced of a Tory majority despite the party having a lead of about 10 to 15% in most polls. It's understandable because of what happened last time.
- Birmingham Hall Green (1) (Roger Godsdiff, sitting) (stood down - for being insufficiently keen on transsexuals)
I thought Godsiff was more to do with his support for the Muslim parents (and whipper-uppers) who are against all forms of LGBT-aware education, rather than trans people in particular.
Perhaps it would be easier to report on any new Labour candidates who DON'T have an anti-Semitic history?
I think so far in the last two days we've had: Views on Jews - Gordon (stood down) - Clacton (stood down) - Coventry S (clinging on, improbably) - Harlow (no pressure to stand down yet) - Birmingham Hall Green (2) (no pressure to stand down yet)
Plus Pudsey, which was basically just an inept defence of Coventry S candidate, above and has probably blown over already
We might also include Chris Williamson, Derby North, in the above list, although that was really just an administrative clearing-up exercise from a previous antisemtic episiode.
Views on Transsexuals: - Edinburgh SW (stood down - for advocating the death of people insufficiently keen on transsexuals) - Birmingham Hall Green (1) (Roger Godsdiff, sitting) (stood down - for being insufficiently keen on transsexuals)
Other: Bassetlaw (deselected, for, we think, being insufficiently left wing)
Any others?
But they hardly got any coverage, especially compared to JRM insensitive comments and the Cairns stuff.
Not surprised. My experience with junior BBC employees is that Corbynista sympathies run deep and they will give Labour people the benefit of the doubt in a way they would not with Tories. Plus senior staff are oversensitive about the perpetual attacks from the Hard Left online.
What the YouGov regional survey does suggest is that the LibDem surge (compared to 2017) is spread quite evenly across the regions. So it looks like they are gaining votes in a lot of seats which they will still lose. For example, despite the LDs going from 4% to 14% in the West Midlands, they are still going to be hard pressed to win any West Midlands seat.
The LDs increase in the slightly Brexity SW is also the smallest of any region, from 15% to 21%, although the BXP looks to be eating into the Tory vote share significantly there which will help them. They look set to do better in the more Remainy SE, which now has their highest vote share and increase, from 11% to 23%.
True, and Labour have been slightly improving in the polls since then.
Plus the Corbynistas and Remainers have a big activist base and organization. I think both Lab and LD will overperform, especially given Tories are so triumphant, undisciplined and complacent.
This one is not.
I am still to be convinced of a Boris majority, as I said yesterday is 50/50 for me
It's interesting so many people are not convinced of a Tory majority despite the party having a lead of about 10 to 15% in most polls. It's understandable because of what happened last time.
Understandable but not necessarily correct. The truly stunning thing about the regional figures, apart from Labour's collapse, is the consistent strength of TBP. If Boris succeeds in squeezing this any Labour recovery is going to have minimal impact.
Mr. JS, be interesting to see how big a story that becomes.
Voters in the north of England, as well as Wales and Scotland, will be bemused there's so much money available for transport spending, provided it's far away from them.
Boris has not held a news conference and hardly faced the cameras
He seems to be going to hospitals in marginal seats, getting his photo for the local paper, and going to the next
Keeping out of it until the manifesto and leaders debate but connecting through the local press
Strategy or just muddle
Pure cowardice. He lacks the spine to face difficult questions and I would not be surprised if he avoids the leader debates as well.
I find the constant accusations of ducking scrutiny puzzling. In the leadership contest, Boris did 3 debates, numerous hustings, plus was interviewed by Andrew Neil. I would suggest he received far more scrutiny than any previous Conservative leadership winner.
As to this election, the BBC just announced a raft of new debates and I'm sure Boris will turn up to them all.
I'm sure scrutiny of all the party leaders will increase in the coming weeks when the manifestos have been released. We are still in the phony war stage at the moment.
The Scotland only part of the poll is a fairly standard result once you plug it into electoral calculus.
Tories -10 Lab -5 LD +1 SNP +14
Leave the Tories with WAK, DCT and BRS
I suspect in such a scenario WAK would fall as well.
Whicg is annoying as that would take the SNP to 51 seats and I'd loose my SNP under 50.5 bet which at the moment looks a sure thing.
BRS is likely to be the last seat standing for the Tories, even in a wipeout scenario. The SNP have for more chance of ousting Fluffy Mundell that the terminally useless John Lamont.
I suspect both BRS and DCT are safe barring extreme edge case scenarios.
And in those scenarios (say anyone who has every voted Lib Dem in their life is legally prohibited from voting conservative) then Mundell holds on in DCT whilst Lamont carks it.
True, and Labour have been slightly improving in the polls since then.
Plus the Corbynistas and Remainers have a big activist base and organization. I think both Lab and LD will overperform, especially given Tories are so triumphant, undisciplined and complacent.
This one is not.
I am still to be convinced of a Boris majority, as I said yesterday is 50/50 for me
It's interesting so many people are not convinced of a Tory majority despite the party having a lead of about 10 to 15% in most polls. It's understandable because of what happened last time.
My reservations are Boris. He will either win well or crater and I do not know which
True, and Labour have been slightly improving in the polls since then.
Plus the Corbynistas and Remainers have a big activist base and organization. I think both Lab and LD will overperform, especially given Tories are so triumphant, undisciplined and complacent.
This one is not.
I am still to be convinced of a Boris majority, as I said yesterday is 50/50 for me
It's interesting so many people are not convinced of a Tory majority despite the party having a lead of about 10 to 15% in most polls. It's understandable because of what happened last time.
Can't believe that Cons most seats is 1.12 or so. That must be the best value short odds bet around.
The Scotland only part of the poll is a fairly standard result once you plug it into electoral calculus.
Tories -10 Lab -5 LD +1 SNP +14
Leave the Tories with WAK, DCT and BRS
I suspect in such a scenario WAK would fall as well.
Whicg is annoying as that would take the SNP to 51 seats and I'd loose my SNP under 50.5 bet which at the moment looks a sure thing.
BRS is likely to be the last seat standing for the Tories, even in a wipeout scenario. The SNP have for more chance of ousting Fluffy Mundell that the terminally useless John Lamont.
I suspect both BRS and DCT are safe barring extreme edge case scenarios.
And in those scenarios (say anyone who has every voted Lib Dem in their life is legally prohibited from voting conservative) then Mundell holds on in DCT whilst Lamont carks it.
Mundell is a Survivor.
I live in BRS, and whilst the only visible posters so far are SNP, it is the home of the shy Tory/tactical No voter. I suspect both Fluffy and Lamont will end up as the gruesome twosome heading south.
- Birmingham Hall Green (1) (Roger Godsdiff, sitting) (stood down - for being insufficiently keen on transsexuals)
I thought Godsiff was more to do with his support for the Muslim parents (and whipper-uppers) who are against all forms of LGBT-aware education, rather than trans people in particular.
I thought it was transsexual-specific, but I must admit I only skim-read his lengthy statement. 'Twas bizarre, whatever it was. Happy to be corrected.
So +14% poll was from regionals data and is out of date.
Latest Yougov has +11% which would align to move to Labour over last 10 days.
So +14% should be ignored or treated with extreme caution.
Correct?
I have never understood why pollsters even release polls that are out of date. It seems like the height of irresponsibility to me, amid a campaign.
Cos money has been spent doing them?
Big poll - takes more time to process.
The regional data was super-interesting, and not covered elsewhere other than in dodgy subsamples. Posting national VI was reasonable given the data set, but they should have been clearer about the timing and that it was not comparable to their more recent polls.*
True, and Labour have been slightly improving in the polls since then.
Plus the Corbynistas and Remainers have a big activist base and organization. I think both Lab and LD will overperform, especially given Tories are so triumphant, undisciplined and complacent.
This one is not.
I am still to be convinced of a Boris majority, as I said yesterday is 50/50 for me
It's interesting so many people are not convinced of a Tory majority despite the party having a lead of about 10 to 15% in most polls. It's understandable because of what happened last time.
My reservations are Boris. He will either win well or crater and I do not know which
Another effort like last night and it'll be crater. Even the Mail and Express won't be able to weasel it away. He's probably already toast in N Ireland, but unless the Alliance and SDLP win ten or so seats between them that won't matter much.
Incidentally, reviewing his performance last night, didn't he prom ice to give up alcohol during the campaign or until Brexit was done? Or something like that?
Oh, these numbers are separate from the regional poll? Confusing!
Was there in fact a regional poll? My impression was that they were reheating all their polls over the period, broken down by region. That's why the 14% agrees with their polling over the period - because it is in fact their polling over the period.
I don't see why a regional poll would need to take two weeks with a panel - it takes a few extra microseconds for the computer to break down the figures, job done.
True, and Labour have been slightly improving in the polls since then.
Plus the Corbynistas and Remainers have a big activist base and organization. I think both Lab and LD will overperform, especially given Tories are so triumphant, undisciplined and complacent.
This one is not.
I am still to be convinced of a Boris majority, as I said yesterday is 50/50 for me
It's interesting so many people are not convinced of a Tory majority despite the party having a lead of about 10 to 15% in most polls. It's understandable because of what happened last time.
My reservations are Boris. He will either win well or crater and I do not know which
Another effort like last night and it'll be crater. Even the Mail and Express won't be able to weasel it away. He's probably already toast in N Ireland, but unless the Alliance and SDLP win ten or so seats between them that won't matter much.
Incidentally, reviewing his performance last night, didn't he prom ice to give up alcohol during the campaign or until Brexit was done? Or something like that?
This is Boris Johnson. Bumbling buffoon is priced in.
So +14% poll was from regionals data and is out of date.
Latest Yougov has +11% which would align to move to Labour over last 10 days.
So +14% should be ignored or treated with extreme caution.
Correct?
Where the poll is of value is in highlighting sub-national variations, which matters in any attempt to predict seat changes that doesn't rely on UNS. Until now, we have been crying out for English regional polling. So it certainly shouldn't be ignored in that sense.
We need to find a bland slogan about skills and something else that appeals to wallets for the poster but we'll worry about what later. Oops, someone's pressed the send button by mistake.
We need to find a bland slogan about skills and something else that appeals to wallets for the poster but we'll worry about what later. Oops, someone's pressed the send button by mistake.
I think you will find it’s a lifetime education and retraining budget for individuals given the expected changes in technology.
We need to find a bland slogan about skills and something else that appeals to wallets for the poster but we'll worry about what later. Oops, someone's pressed the send button by mistake.
Maybe they are giving a free Skills Wallet in competition to the free Owl offered to every UK citizen if they vote in a Labour government.
True, and Labour have been slightly improving in the polls since then.
Plus the Corbynistas and Remainers have a big activist base and organization. I think both Lab and LD will overperform, especially given Tories are so triumphant, undisciplined and complacent.
This one is not.
I am still to be convinced of a Boris majority, as I said yesterday is 50/50 for me
It's interesting so many people are not convinced of a Tory majority despite the party having a lead of about 10 to 15% in most polls. It's understandable because of what happened last time.
Can't believe that Cons most seats is 1.12 or so. That must be the best value short odds bet around.
I agree Con most seats is fairly safe. But I think backing a majority at this stage is a much bigger ask. For me the reticence would be around:
1. What happened last time. I *think* Corbyn has more baggage in most people's eyes this time. But he wasn't short of it last time, and he still overcame quite a lot during a period of extensive exposure. If he lands some decent "down with billionaires" or "nationalise the railways" punches, or Johnson self-combusts, it's gonna get tighter.
2. There's still a long way to go in the Con-BXP and Lab-LD battles, and those loyalties are more volatile than in the old 2-3 party set-up. If Farage cuts through on immigration targets being dropped or Lab manages to shake off the LDs (or conversely they have a Jo-gasm) then the picture changes.
3. Let's accept the overall VI figures are probably a decent current snapshot. But it feels to me that there are so many "micro-climates" that applying them to seat distribution is risky. If Cons lose a few seats - from their existing minority position, remember - in the south to Lib Dems and in Scotland to the SNP having already lost the DUP, they have a *lot* to steal in the Midlands and North of England to win a majority.
If the tribal Northern Lab vote really is dead (today's regional YouGov suggests it might be on life support), Boris is home and dry. Even without that switch, Corbyn has a long way to catch up and I suspect a low ceiling.
So yes.. Con most seats pretty nailed on. But anything beyond a thin majority feels wishful to me at this stage.
On current trends Labour are *fourth* in Scotland. The Lib Dems are also picking up quite a bit from the Tories, so apart from Fife NE, RSL and the held seats, there could be some surprises in store.
True, and Labour have been slightly improving in the polls since then.
Plus the Corbynistas and Remainers have a big activist base and organization. I think both Lab and LD will overperform, especially given Tories are so triumphant, undisciplined and complacent.
This one is not.
I am still to be convinced of a Boris majority, as I said yesterday is 50/50 for me
It's interesting so many people are not convinced of a Tory majority despite the party having a lead of about 10 to 15% in most polls. It's understandable because of what happened last time.
My reservations are Boris. He will either win well or crater and I do not know which
Another effort like last night and it'll be crater. Even the Mail and Express won't be able to weasel it away. He's probably already toast in N Ireland, but unless the Alliance and SDLP win ten or so seats between them that won't matter much.
Incidentally, reviewing his performance last night, didn't he prom ice to give up alcohol during the campaign or until Brexit was done? Or something like that?
This is Boris Johnson. Bumbling buffoon is priced in.
Drunken bumbling buffoon? I wonder if he realises how lucky he is facing first Livingstone then Corbyn? A competent prosecuting solicitor would have him tied in verbal knots in no time.
True, and Labour have been slightly improving in the polls since then.
Plus the Corbynistas and Remainers have a big activist base and organization. I think both Lab and LD will overperform, especially given Tories are so triumphant, undisciplined and complacent.
This one is not.
I am still to be convinced of a Boris majority, as I said yesterday is 50/50 for me
It's interesting so many people are not convinced of a Tory majority despite the party having a lead of about 10 to 15% in most polls. It's understandable because of what happened last time.
Can't believe that Cons most seats is 1.12 or so. That must be the best value short odds bet around.
...The Conservatives have unveiled plans for a new “NHS visa” with the aim of making it quicker, easier and cheaper for foreign nurses to work in the UK...
Am I understanding correctly that the Conservatives are proposing fast-tracking for medical professionals AND making it cheaper than it used to be?
...The Conservatives have unveiled plans for a new “NHS visa” with the aim of making it quicker, easier and cheaper for foreign nurses to work in the UK...
Am I understanding correctly that the Conservatives are proposing fast-tracking for medical professionals AND making it cheaper than it used to be?
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Keir Starmer will certainly have the 'woman only' card played against him, in the modern Labour party of virtue signalling that may prove to be a difficult hand to overcome against either Long Bailey or Pidcock.
https://twitter.com/DatSingh/status/1192813471471157248
Mr. NorthWales, if Farage isn't standing, he shouldn't be there. (Likewise Sturgeon).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2019_United_Kingdom_general_election
I know they'll just elect another idiot, given the 'gotta be a woman' line that John McD is pushing, Starmer might struggle.
Brescia's Mario Balotelli has been called "arrogant" by the club's ultras group as it defended Verona fans after some racially abused the Italian.
Latest Yougov has +11% which would align to move to Labour over last 10 days.
So +14% should be ignored or treated with extreme caution.
Correct?
Tories -10
Lab -5
LD +1
SNP +14
Leave the Tories with WAK, DCT and BRS
I suspect in such a scenario WAK would fall as well.
Whicg is annoying as that would take the SNP to 51 seats and I'd loose my SNP under 50.5 bet which at the moment looks a sure thing.
Views on Jews
- Gordon (stood down)
- Clacton (stood down)
- Coventry S (clinging on, improbably)
- Harlow (no pressure to stand down yet)
- Birmingham Hall Green (2) (no pressure to stand down yet)
Plus Pudsey, which was basically just an inept defence of Coventry S candidate, above and has probably blown over already
We might also include Chris Williamson, Derby North, in the above list, although that was really just an administrative clearing-up exercise from a previous antisemtic episiode.
Views on Transsexuals:
- Edinburgh SW (stood down - for advocating the death of people insufficiently keen on transsexuals)
- Birmingham Hall Green (1) (Roger Godsdiff, sitting) (stood down - for being insufficiently keen on transsexuals)
Other:
Bassetlaw (deselected, for, we think, being insufficiently left wing)
Any others?
He seems to be going to hospitals in marginal seats, getting his photo for the local paper, and going to the next
Keeping out of it until the manifesto and leaders debate but connecting through the local press
Strategy or just muddle
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/nov/08/confusion-after-bbc-podcasts-attempt-to-define-shitposting-laura-kuenssberg
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/08/crossrail-faces-further-delays-and-will-cost-more-than-18bn-tfl
I am still to be convinced of a Boris majority, as I said yesterday is 50/50 for me
The debates are a farce, and the conniving of parties and media to try and game the system to their advantage just makes them worse.
Boo and hiss!
The LDs increase in the slightly Brexity SW is also the smallest of any region, from 15% to 21%, although the BXP looks to be eating into the Tory vote share significantly there which will help them. They look set to do better in the more Remainy SE, which now has their highest vote share and increase, from 11% to 23%.
Voters in the north of England, as well as Wales and Scotland, will be bemused there's so much money available for transport spending, provided it's far away from them.
https://flavible.co.uk/userprediction
We did have a few older/more signfiicant change polls in the run up to the Euros though - that was very strange.
As to this election, the BBC just announced a raft of new debates and I'm sure Boris will turn up to them all.
I'm sure scrutiny of all the party leaders will increase in the coming weeks when the manifestos have been released. We are still in the phony war stage at the moment.
And in those scenarios (say anyone who has every voted Lib Dem in their life is legally prohibited from voting conservative) then Mundell holds on in DCT whilst Lamont carks it.
Mundell is a Survivor.
https://twitter.com/rosscolquhoun/status/1192812081483005953?s=19
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/11/08/regional-voting-intentions-show-both-main-parties-
- four separate regional polls.
Given a discrepancy of 3 %, I'd agree and suggest a pinch of salt.
For the Labour supporters and activists, I'd go so far as to say ignore it altogether. You're doing *FINE*.
The regional data was super-interesting, and not covered elsewhere other than in dodgy subsamples. Posting national VI was reasonable given the data set, but they should have been clearer about the timing and that it was not comparable to their more recent polls.*
* They might well have been, but, well, Twitter.
Lab down double digits everywhere? UH OH.
Speaking of tosh, (disclaimer: I know nothing about football), I've backed Watford and Norwich to draw at 3.5.
Incidentally, reviewing his performance last night, didn't he prom ice to give up alcohol during the campaign or until Brexit was done? Or something like that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlVI7ZNiFlI
I don't see why a regional poll would need to take two weeks with a panel - it takes a few extra microseconds for the computer to break down the figures, job done.
I keep looking at it thinking in a month's time it will have looked like buying money.
Still haven't backed it though probably because i'm still fighting the last war in my mind.
1. What happened last time. I *think* Corbyn has more baggage in most people's eyes this time. But he wasn't short of it last time, and he still overcame quite a lot during a period of extensive exposure. If he lands some decent "down with billionaires" or "nationalise the railways" punches, or Johnson self-combusts, it's gonna get tighter.
2. There's still a long way to go in the Con-BXP and Lab-LD battles, and those loyalties are more volatile than in the old 2-3 party set-up. If Farage cuts through on immigration targets being dropped or Lab manages to shake off the LDs (or conversely they have a Jo-gasm) then the picture changes.
3. Let's accept the overall VI figures are probably a decent current snapshot. But it feels to me that there are so many "micro-climates" that applying them to seat distribution is risky. If Cons lose a few seats - from their existing minority position, remember - in the south to Lib Dems and in Scotland to the SNP having already lost the DUP, they have a *lot* to steal in the Midlands and North of England to win a majority.
If the tribal Northern Lab vote really is dead (today's regional YouGov suggests it might be on life support), Boris is home and dry. Even without that switch, Corbyn has a long way to catch up and I suspect a low ceiling.
So yes.. Con most seats pretty nailed on. But anything beyond a thin majority feels wishful to me at this stage.
Is Boris fucking mad? All going too well, why don't we mix it up a bit chaps with this little hand grenade??
https://www.nursingtimes.net/news/policies-and-guidance/tory-nhs-visa-announcement-shaded-by-nurse-tax-concerns-08-11-2019/
Why would so many Tories move direct to SNP with the Sword of Damocles of independence being brazenly waved over their heads?
We may as well say Corbyn is 2nd most popular Lab leader ever based on
https://twitter.com/CllrMajid/status/873858102365499392/photo/1
heh.
...The Conservatives have unveiled plans for a new “NHS visa” with the aim of making it quicker, easier and cheaper for foreign nurses to work in the UK...
Am I understanding correctly that the Conservatives are proposing fast-tracking for medical professionals AND making it cheaper than it used to be?
Which explains the odds.
I can’t go in again until 28th November (when I next get paid) at the risk that it might then be down to 1.08-1.09.