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Mr. B, don't know if it's happened yet or coming soon, but Formula E is going to enable gamers to 'drive' against the actual drivers in real time, combining gaming with sports coverage.

It's a brilliant idea.

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. B, don't know if it's happened yet or coming soon, but Formula E is going to enable gamers to 'drive' against the actual drivers in real time, combining gaming with sports coverage.

It's a brilliant idea.

Collisions that are risk-free for one party but dangerous for the other? Sounds like a recipe for slaughter.

AlastairMeeks said:

For what it's worth, I think Labour are leading the Conservatives up the garden path about an early election. If the Conservatives are going to get one, they'll need the help of the SNP and/or the Lib Dems.

I'm not convinced the Conservatives really want one either, mind. All the parties resemble drunken youths arguing outside a nightclub, spoiling for a fight and asking their friends to hold them back.

I think the SNP and Lib Dems are probably genuine in their desire for an election. Labour, the Tories and Johnson personally all have reasons not to want one. Labour because their polling position is poor, the Tories because they cannot be sure of a majority and Johnson because he doesn't want to risk being kicked out of Downing Street after only a few months.

But the WAIB will not progress in the current parliament - it will be amended to death if it ever reappears. So an election may be unavoidable.

Gardenwalker said:

Benpointer said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/eucopresident/status/1186977252011106304

Reasons:
1. It's clearly the right thing to do.
2. It makes you look stupid, Boris.

It is embarrassing to go through this process and have huge respect for Tusk and Barnier (but not Juncker), whereas May and Johnson, Davis and Raab have all been pisspoor.

Who do you trust more?

https://twitter.com/nigel_farage/status/1186934014864691200?s=21

Philip_Thompson said:

philiph said:

FPT

Discussion about electric cars, I came across this:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/honda-brings-forward-electrification-deadline-to-2022/ar-AAJdNjY?ocid=spartanntp

The commitment means every volume Honda model sold will use either hybrid, plug-in hybrid or fully electric drive. 
All mainstream non-electrified petrol and diesel versions will cease production for Europe by the end of 2022.

Good news!

It is - though likely not for the UK car industry.

Hey BoZo, call an election...

https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1186994872223449088

Nigelb said:

Stocky said:

Alistair said: " Never have I been so glad to have not been betting on timings or existence of General Election and/or Referendum etc.

I have zero clue. Zero."

Thanks for the help mate

Sounds like bloody good advice to me.

Exactly, the art of betting is knowing when not to bet.

For me, this is one of those times.

I managed to make money laying then backing Boris Johnson after it got down to the final two. I feel pretty shrewd as political bettors go.

I feel I have zero insight into this and advise leaving it all well alone. More power to anyone who has ridden these markets to profit.

Scott_P said:

Hey BoZo, call an election...

https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1186994872223449088

What were those other leaders leads over the LOTO?

williamglenn said:

Gardenwalker said:

Benpointer said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/eucopresident/status/1186977252011106304

Reasons:
1. It's clearly the right thing to do.
2. It makes you look stupid, Boris.

It is embarrassing to go through this process and have huge respect for Tusk and Barnier (but not Juncker), whereas May and Johnson, Davis and Raab have all been pisspoor.

Who do you trust more?

https://twitter.com/nigel_farage/status/1186934014864691200?s=21

Talking about different things so false equivalence.

Noo said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. B, don't know if it's happened yet or coming soon, but Formula E is going to enable gamers to 'drive' against the actual drivers in real time, combining gaming with sports coverage.

It's a brilliant idea.

Collisions that are risk-free for one party but dangerous for the other? Sounds like a recipe for slaughter.

Indeed. Are the constructors really going to want to have their flounce-prone drivers beaten by a spotty 12 year old in Croydon playing in his bedroom?

Richard_Tyndall said:

williamglenn said:

Gardenwalker said:

Benpointer said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/eucopresident/status/1186977252011106304

Reasons:
1. It's clearly the right thing to do.
2. It makes you look stupid, Boris.

It is embarrassing to go through this process and have huge respect for Tusk and Barnier (but not Juncker), whereas May and Johnson, Davis and Raab have all been pisspoor.

Who do you trust more?

https://twitter.com/nigel_farage/status/1186934014864691200?s=21

Talking about different things so false equivalence.

That is not uncommon for Farage! Whilst the PM is riding high in the polls the attack lines for his opponents are clear cut, I expect BXP to make some small progress under an election campaign.

Ireland need 19 off the last over to beat Canada in the t20 WC Quals

AlastairMeeks said:

For what it's worth, I think Labour are leading the Conservatives up the garden path about an early election. If the Conservatives are going to get one, they'll need the help of the SNP and/or the Lib Dems.

I'm not convinced the Conservatives really want one either, mind. All the parties resemble drunken youths arguing outside a nightclub, spoiling for a fight and asking their friends to hold them back.

I think Boris probably does want an election, as there is a good chance of things getting worse for him, and he can't necessarily prevent an election at a time he doesn't want. I rather think however he is fearful of the VONC route. Boris's one principle is having become PM to stay PM. A VONC does not automatically remove him, but with the Commons in its present mood you can't exclude the idea that following a VONC some magical person (Clarke, Benn, Cooper) could become PM of a cobbled GNU with a VOC, at which point the Boris project is over. JC doesn't much want a VONC either becuase it could be the end of him, following an election. If I am right Boris would be keen on either a Commons 2/3 vote for an election, by agreement with Labour, or a one line Bill, but not a VONC.

Agree about drunken youths outside a nightclub, who as a group are more to be admired than the current state of the parties.

Pulpstar said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Hmm, maybe go easy on the bets on an early GE.

https://twitter.com/nicholaswatt/status/1186990470460837890

Can the PM give them that ?

Perhaps in a FTPA amendment, with the date hardcoded? Could be tricky.

Pulpstar said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Hmm, maybe go easy on the bets on an early GE.

https://twitter.com/nicholaswatt/status/1186990470460837890

Can the PM give them that ?

No, I don't think so, except perhaps via an agreed one-line bill. But in truth I think Labour are (unsurprisingly) trying to find an excuse. "Oh Lord, grant us an election soon, but not quite yet".

Pulpstar said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Hmm, maybe go easy on the bets on an early GE.

https://twitter.com/nicholaswatt/status/1186990470460837890

Can the PM give them that ?

Presumably a one-line bill could be passed fixing an election date if Labour and the Tories agreed on it?

Pulpstar said:

In order to avoid an election Labour make themselves look ever more ridiculous ?

It's hard to think of any party in the UK which isn't looking ridiculous at the moment.

anothernick said:

Pulpstar said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Hmm, maybe go easy on the bets on an early GE.

https://twitter.com/nicholaswatt/status/1186990470460837890

Can the PM give them that ?

Presumably a one-line bill could be passed fixing an election date if Labour and the Tories agreed on it?

If they agree just vote for it under the FTA

Scott_P said:

Hey BoZo, call an election...

https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1186994872223449088

Pretty meaningless, if the last one before Johnson to have a negative rating after 3 months lasted longer than all the others.

Richard_Nabavi said:

Hmm, maybe go easy on the bets on an early GE.

It would be crazy for Labour to facilitate an election in the current climate and circumstances. From this - Holmes like - I make the deduction that they won't.

algarkirk said:

AlastairMeeks said:

For what it's worth, I think Labour are leading the Conservatives up the garden path about an early election. If the Conservatives are going to get one, they'll need the help of the SNP and/or the Lib Dems.

I'm not convinced the Conservatives really want one either, mind. All the parties resemble drunken youths arguing outside a nightclub, spoiling for a fight and asking their friends to hold them back.

I think Boris probably does want an election, as there is a good chance of things getting worse for him, and he can't necessarily prevent an election at a time he doesn't want. I rather think however he is fearful of the VONC route. Boris's one principle is having become PM to stay PM. A VONC does not automatically remove him, but with the Commons in its present mood you can't exclude the idea that following a VONC some magical person (Clarke, Benn, Cooper) could become PM of a cobbled GNU with a VOC, at which point the Boris project is over. JC doesn't much want a VONC either becuase it could be the end of him, following an election. If I am right Boris would be keen on either a Commons 2/3 vote for an election, by agreement with Labour, or a one line Bill, but not a VONC.

Agree about drunken youths outside a nightclub, who as a group are more to be admired than the current state of the parties.

I don't agree the Boris project is over in that circumstance. He had united the Tory vote and is leading in the polls, so will stay as Tory leader until the next GE.

Alistair said:

Pulpstar said:

Alistair said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Hmm, maybe go easy on the bets on an early GE.

https://twitter.com/nicholaswatt/status/1186990470460837890

The Opposition isn't going to agree to an election where Bojo sets the date. They will control when it happens.

They should name a date then.

It's pretty reliant on the extension the EU offer I would have thought.

It'll be 30th January.

I think the Tories will be happy to fight on ANY date before then.

kinabalu said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Hmm, maybe go easy on the bets on an early GE.

It would be crazy for Labour to facilitate an election in the current climate and circumstances. From this - Holmes like - I make the deduction that they won't.

Richard Burgon said they wanted an election now on R4 this morning. And as he's wrong about pretty much everything...

Philip_Thompson said:

Scott_P said:

Hey BoZo, call an election...

https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1186994872223449088

Compare Boris's figures to Corbyn's. Yes lets have an election, you can see why Labour MPs and supporters are bricking it.

..which will most likely produce another hung parliament. Boris is shit, Corbyn is shit. They are all part of the same pointlessBrexit shitstorm. A GE will change very little

Gabs2 said:

algarkirk said:

AlastairMeeks said:

For what it's worth, I think Labour are leading the Conservatives up the garden path about an early election. If the Conservatives are going to get one, they'll need the help of the SNP and/or the Lib Dems.

I'm not convinced the Conservatives really want one either, mind. All the parties resemble drunken youths arguing outside a nightclub, spoiling for a fight and asking their friends to hold them back.

I think Boris probably does want an election, as there is a good chance of things getting worse for him, and he can't necessarily prevent an election at a time he doesn't want. I rather think however he is fearful of the VONC route. Boris's one principle is having become PM to stay PM. A VONC does not automatically remove him, but with the Commons in its present mood you can't exclude the idea that following a VONC some magical person (Clarke, Benn, Cooper) could become PM of a cobbled GNU with a VOC, at which point the Boris project is over. JC doesn't much want a VONC either becuase it could be the end of him, following an election. If I am right Boris would be keen on either a Commons 2/3 vote for an election, by agreement with Labour, or a one line Bill, but not a VONC.

Agree about drunken youths outside a nightclub, who as a group are more to be admired than the current state of the parties.

I don't agree the Boris project is over in that circumstance. He had united the Tory vote and is leading in the polls, so will stay as Tory leader until the next GE.

"united the Tory vote"? Are you having a laugh?

nico67 said:

I think Labours new ploy looks desperate .

If the EU agree to an extension till 31 January then why would Bozo then try to crash the UK out with no deal if he’s already agreed an election date, and is he really going to go for no deal in the middle of an election .

Yes as much as posters are saying all parties look ridiculous, this "we might crash out on 31st January" is utterly utterly ludicrous.

I might get a by-election in January anyway.

Anorak said:

TrèsDifficile said:

Noo said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. B, don't know if it's happened yet or coming soon, but Formula E is going to enable gamers to 'drive' against the actual drivers in real time, combining gaming with sports coverage.

It's a brilliant idea.

Collisions that are risk-free for one party but dangerous for the other? Sounds like a recipe for slaughter.

How do the collisions *with 'ghosts'* happen?

https://www.fiaformulae.com/en/news/2019/april/formulae-ghost-racing-launched

Oh. Oh dear. I think Noo assumed that there'd be remote-controlled cars piloted by Morris Dancer sitting in his underwear in his bedroom.

Yes, guilty as charged. I'll take this one on the chin.

Gabs2 said:

If Labour are clearly trying to avoid an election, and the Tories won't countenance a referendum rerun, doesn't that make the EU think "screw this" and just give two weeks extension?

No, I think they'll want to stay as far away as possible from anything which either looks like interference in the UK's affairs, or which might land them with some of the blame for an accidental no-deal crash-out. So I think they will play it absolutely straight by agreeing to the request which Boris has already (if reluctantly) made for an extension to the 31st January (with a reminder that it could be earlier if the Withdrawal Agreement is ratified earlier).

No wonder BoZo doesn't want anyone to actually read on understand the bill

https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1186989830695215106

Pulpstar said:

nico67 said:

I think Labours new ploy looks desperate .

If the EU agree to an extension till 31 January then why would Bozo then try to crash the UK out with no deal if he’s already agreed an election date, and is he really going to go for no deal in the middle of an election .

Yes as much as posters are saying all parties look ridiculous, this "we might crash out on 31st January" is utterly utterly ludicrous.

Is Labour now trying to say Boris will call an election in late October, and then extend the campaign through November, December AND January so we don't vote until February?

Risible!

GIN1138 said:

Pulpstar said:

nico67 said:

I think Labours new ploy looks desperate .

If the EU agree to an extension till 31 January then why would Bozo then try to crash the UK out with no deal if he’s already agreed an election date, and is he really going to go for no deal in the middle of an election .

Yes as much as posters are saying all parties look ridiculous, this "we might crash out on 31st January" is utterly utterly ludicrous.

Is Labour now trying to say Boris will call an election in late October, and then extend the campaign through November, December AND January so we don't vote until February?

Risible!

Yes, it's laughable. I suppose in theory Labour could keep playing this game till 2022 though.

Best of luck to them if they do that mind.

GIN1138 said:

Pulpstar said:

nico67 said:

I think Labours new ploy looks desperate .

If the EU agree to an extension till 31 January then why would Bozo then try to crash the UK out with no deal if he’s already agreed an election date, and is he really going to go for no deal in the middle of an election .

Yes as much as posters are saying all parties look ridiculous, this "we might crash out on 31st January" is utterly utterly ludicrous.

Is Labour now trying to say Boris will call an election in late October, and then extend the campaign through November, December AND January so we don't vote until February?

Risible!

I think you've got it the wrong way around. I think Labour are trying to say the vote has to be before the date of the end of the extension, not after.

Pulpstar said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Gabs2 said:

If Labour are clearly trying to avoid an election, and the Tories won't countenance a referendum rerun, doesn't that make the EU think "screw this" and just give two weeks extension?

No, I think they'll want to stay as far away as possible from anything which either looks like interference in the UK's affairs, or which might land them with some of the blame for an accidental no-deal crash-out. So I think they will play it absolutely straight by agreeing to the request which Boris has already (if reluctantly) made for an extension to the 31st January.

They're staying even more neutral than that - it is now not "Boris' request" but the "UK request" (As per Tusk language)

Well, yes of course. I was just trying to wind up @HYUFD.

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/brexitparty_uk/status/1187000980606504960?s=21

17.4 million voted for Brexit not a Clean-Break Brexit.

I did not vote for a Clean-Break Brexit. I voted hoping for the deal the Vote Leave team said they should get and now have got.

Pulpstar said:

anothernick said:

kinabalu said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Hmm, maybe go easy on the bets on an early GE.

It would be crazy for Labour to facilitate an election in the current climate and circumstances. From this - Holmes like - I make the deduction that they won't.

It seemed pretty crazy of them to agree to one in April 2017. But at 10pm on polling day it seemed rather less crazy.

Perhaps Corbyn should have the courage of his convictions again then

FWIW I think he should.

Pulpstar said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Hmm, maybe go easy on the bets on an early GE.

https://twitter.com/nicholaswatt/status/1186990470460837890

Can the PM give them that ?

If it is by means of a bill amending or setting aside the FTPA, they can attach an amendment and ensure it for themselves.

nico67 said:

The Polish government has basically told those Tories trying to get them to veto an extension to get lost .

Ambushed by Tony Livesey on Radio 5, Kawczynski sheepishly admitted not knowing the Polish for 'veto', despite being a soi-disant 'nearly fluent speaker'.

"It's 'weto', pronounced 'veto' ", said a triumphant Livesey.

nico67 said:

The Polish government has basically told those Tories trying to get them to veto an extension to get lost .

Quite right

SunnyJim said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1186997420837818368

Labour are going to run out of excuses, and road.

They should at least look like they are driving the process rather than being dragged to the ballot box like a condemned prisoner.

SunnyJim said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1186997420837818368

Labour are going to run out of excuses, and road.

They should at least look like they are driving the process rather than being dragged to the ballot box like a condemned prisoner.

But cowardice is sooooo electorally appealing!

GIN1138 said:

SunnyJim said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1186997420837818368

Labour are going to run out of excuses, and road.

They should at least look like they are driving the process rather than being dragged to the ballot box like a condemned prisoner.

I wonder if at some point Sturgeon (She's much smarter than Blackford) will send the orders after we receive the formal extension.

One of Hunt's mistakes and where Johnson is a much better leader was to emphasise we "could have an election putting Corbyn into No 10".

That looked like a weak line to me and I said so at the time.

Pulpstar said:

What happened to the whole "As soon as 'No deal' is off the table" we will have an election from Labour ?

I suppose Johnson hasn't died in a ditch either mind ;p

With the FTPA the times when both parties actually want an election will be rare. One of the parties will tend to prefer a delay. We should get used to the school ground posturing of threats and backtracking from both sides.

RobD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

nico67 said:

The Polish government has basically told those Tories trying to get them to veto an extension to get lost .

Quite right

Yeah, not sure why no 10 haven’t tried to stop him. Useful idiot, I suppose.

Drop the word useful.

He's a backbencher isn't he? Better to let idiot backbenchers like that do their own harmless things in the background than try and stop idiots saying something stupid all the time.

noneoftheabove said:

With the FTPA the times when both parties actually want an election will be rare. One of the parties will tend to prefer a delay. We should get used to the school ground posturing of threats and backtracking from both sides.

The next majority government (of whatever colour) will be sorely tempted to repeal the FTPA.

It was legislation of its time which has been exposed in ways that couldn't have been envisaged in 2010.

SunnyJim said:

Nemtynakht said:

I can’t imagine he will go any later than Dec 5th. I’m certainly not in festive relaxing mode at that stage and if it is that date we have a work conference that day and I would need to request a postal vote.

A 'Peoples Parliament' that would finally honour the referendum result.

A fantastic Christmas present for the 17m+ who voted to leave.

“I don't know what to do!" cried Scrooge, laughing and crying in the same breath; and making a perfect Laocoön of himself with his stockings. "I am as light as a feather, I am as happy as an angel, I am as merry as a school-boy. I am as giddy as a drunken man. A merry Christmas to every-body! A happy New Year to all the world! Hallo here! Whoop! Hallo!”

GIN1138 said:

This is what happened in 2017

"On 18 April 2017, the Prime Minister Theresa May announced she would seek an election on 8 June,[21] despite previously ruling out an early election.[22][23] A House of Commons motion to allow this was passed on 19 April, with 522 votes for and 13 against, a majority of 509.[24] The motion was supported by the Conservatives, Labour, the Liberal Democrats and the Greens, while the SNP abstained.[21] Nine Labour MPs, one SDLP MP and three independents (Sylvia Hermon and two former SNP MPs, Natalie McGarry and Michelle Thomson) voted against the motion.

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn supported the early election,[26] as did Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron and the Green Party.[27][28] The SNP stated that it was in favour of fixed-term parliaments, and would abstain in the House of Commons vote.[29] UKIP leader Paul Nuttall and First Minister of Wales Carwyn Jones criticised May for being opportunistic in the timing of the election, motivated by the then strong position of the Conservative Party in the opinion polls.

On 25 April, the election date was confirmed as 8 June,[32] with dissolution on 3 May. The government announced that it intended for the next parliament to assemble on 13 June, with the state opening on 19 June.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_United_Kingdom_general_election

If the election date is set for 5th December it's set for 5th December and the PM wouldn't be able to change it without a recall of Parliament and Parliaments agreement.

That was the same with a 14th or 15th October election of well of course.

Of course things would get messy if something happened mid-campaign that meant the election had to be postponed but again it couldn't happen without a recall of Parliament and Parliaments agreement.

The date of the election is set by proclamation, and it was set a week after parliament had voted for it. I think that’s their worry.

Pulpstar said:

EU Citizens looks to be the one but I'm not sure it has the votes.

That would be catastrophic for Labour if they backed it.

Streeter said:

nico67 said:

The Polish government has basically told those Tories trying to get them to veto an extension to get lost .

Ambushed by Tony Livesey on Radio 5, Kawczynski sheepishly admitted not knowing the Polish for 'veto', despite being a soi-disant 'nearly fluent speaker'.

"It's 'weto', pronounced 'veto' ", said a triumphant Livesey.

Vying with Burgon for dimmest MP of the day, I see.