Mr. B, don't know if it's happened yet or coming soon, but Formula E is going to enable gamers to 'drive' against the actual drivers in real time, combining gaming with sports coverage.
Mr. B, don't know if it's happened yet or coming soon, but Formula E is going to enable gamers to 'drive' against the actual drivers in real time, combining gaming with sports coverage.
It's a brilliant idea.
Collisions that are risk-free for one party but dangerous for the other? Sounds like a recipe for slaughter.
Varadkar has stated there is not yet agreement for a flextension to Jan 31 and it's not guaranteed the UK could stay in a CU, we would need to negotiate it He expects an emergency council Friday or monday if no unanimity by then
EU wont be too quick on this..it pushes the BJ election another week down the road if he doesnt get an answer by tomorrow.
Corbyn could have better prepared himself for Johnson's IRA remarks.There was always a high probability that at some point he would say something like that. He should have responded with ' We all know that the PM has a compulsive aversion to telling the truth - and the evidence is overwhelming that he is a lower form of life!'.
Or Jeremy Corbyn could have mentioned the current Tory government's dependence on support from the DUP which makes sure to clear its Brexit policy with the UDA and the UVF:
"DUP leader Arlene Foster met with a number of prominent loyalists during a series of meetings last week over Brexit, it has been alleged.
The revelation came after loyalist paramilitaries threatened protests if Northern Ireland's status in the UK is "diluted" after the UK leaves the EU. The warning led to calls for greater engagement with the loyalist community.
In a series of tweets yesterday, journalist Brian Rowan alleged that Mrs Foster, along with other senior DUP colleagues, met with Jimmy Birch, Jackie McDonald and Matt Kincaid, who have previously been named as senior UDA figures.
At a separate meeting, organised through the auspices of the Action for Community Transformation project, Mr Rowan stated that alleged senior UVF members Winston Irvine and Harry Stockman were present."
Gardenwalker said: "To get an election, doesn’t Boris need either to VONC himself (hard) or get 2/3 parliament support (harder)?"
Yes, unless Corbyn tables a VONC. Or there could be a simple bill which would circumvent FTPA but could be amended (so is dangerous).
VONC doesn't automatically lead to an election. Could put Corbyn in Downing Street.
Tory Swinson won't allow that.
In ordinary circumstances. But there are emergency scenarios she would allow it for a limited period of time.
"No deal" is off the table, no chance she'll allow Corbyn in (Pre-election anyway)
It's not off the table, unless I've missed a definitive announcement from the EU today. I agree the risk is looking like it's pushed back for now. And FWIW I don't think Corbyn's likely to end up as PM from a VONC, I'm just saying there are still pathways that lead to that rather than the likelier election. It depends on whether Conservatives want to take that "risk".
For what it's worth, I think Labour are leading the Conservatives up the garden path about an early election. If the Conservatives are going to get one, they'll need the help of the SNP and/or the Lib Dems.
I'm not convinced the Conservatives really want one either, mind. All the parties resemble drunken youths arguing outside a nightclub, spoiling for a fight and asking their friends to hold them back.
I think the SNP and Lib Dems are probably genuine in their desire for an election. Labour, the Tories and Johnson personally all have reasons not to want one. Labour because their polling position is poor, the Tories because they cannot be sure of a majority and Johnson because he doesn't want to risk being kicked out of Downing Street after only a few months.
But the WAIB will not progress in the current parliament - it will be amended to death if it ever reappears. So an election may be unavoidable.
Mr. B, don't know if it's happened yet or coming soon, but Formula E is going to enable gamers to 'drive' against the actual drivers in real time, combining gaming with sports coverage.
It's a brilliant idea.
Formula E?
I'm not sure that driving a racing car while off your face on ecstasy is a good idea.
Reasons: 1. It's clearly the right thing to do. 2. It makes you look stupid, Boris.
It is embarrassing to go through this process and have huge respect for Tusk and Barnier (but not Juncker), whereas May and Johnson, Davis and Raab have all been pisspoor.
For what it's worth, I think Labour are leading the Conservatives up the garden path about an early election. If the Conservatives are going to get one, they'll need the help of the SNP and/or the Lib Dems.
I'm not convinced the Conservatives really want one either, mind. All the parties resemble drunken youths arguing outside a nightclub, spoiling for a fight and asking their friends to hold them back.
I think the SNP and Lib Dems are probably genuine in their desire for an election. Labour, the Tories and Johnson personally all have reasons not to want one. Labour because their polling position is poor, the Tories because they cannot be sure of a majority and Johnson because he doesn't want to risk being kicked out of Downing Street after only a few months.
But the WAIB will not progress in the current parliament - it will be amended to death if it ever reappears. So an election may be unavoidable.
I know I keep banging on about this, but the Lib Dems do not want an election soon.
The commitment means every volume Honda model sold will use either hybrid, plug-in hybrid or fully electric drive. All mainstream non-electrified petrol and diesel versions will cease production for Europe by the end of 2022.
Good news!
It is - though likely not for the UK car industry.
If BoZo tries for an early election, might the opposition parties be disinclined to agree, given "It's Christmas, you muppet!" ?
Indeed. If he inflicts a Dec election on the public it will utterly ruin the festive season. I mean, just imagine, all of that crap going on when people are meant to be relaxing with family. Would they know it's Christmas time at all?
Reasons: 1. It's clearly the right thing to do. 2. It makes you look stupid, Boris.
It is embarrassing to go through this process and have huge respect for Tusk and Barnier (but not Juncker), whereas May and Johnson, Davis and Raab have all been pisspoor.
Mr. B, don't know if it's happened yet or coming soon, but Formula E is going to enable gamers to 'drive' against the actual drivers in real time, combining gaming with sports coverage.
It's a brilliant idea.
Collisions that are risk-free for one party but dangerous for the other? Sounds like a recipe for slaughter.
Indeed. Are the constructors really going to want to have their flounce-prone drivers beaten by a spotty 12 year old in Croydon playing in his bedroom?
Reasons: 1. It's clearly the right thing to do. 2. It makes you look stupid, Boris.
It is embarrassing to go through this process and have huge respect for Tusk and Barnier (but not Juncker), whereas May and Johnson, Davis and Raab have all been pisspoor.
Talking about different things so false equivalence.
That is not uncommon for Farage! Whilst the PM is riding high in the polls the attack lines for his opponents are clear cut, I expect BXP to make some small progress under an election campaign.
"journalists' use of No 10 sources". And vice versa, of course.
I've just written a Chrome browser extension that replaces all occurrences of the phrase "No 10 source" with "Dominic Cummings". It makes the news more... honest.
For what it's worth, I think Labour are leading the Conservatives up the garden path about an early election. If the Conservatives are going to get one, they'll need the help of the SNP and/or the Lib Dems.
I'm not convinced the Conservatives really want one either, mind. All the parties resemble drunken youths arguing outside a nightclub, spoiling for a fight and asking their friends to hold them back.
I think Boris probably does want an election, as there is a good chance of things getting worse for him, and he can't necessarily prevent an election at a time he doesn't want. I rather think however he is fearful of the VONC route. Boris's one principle is having become PM to stay PM. A VONC does not automatically remove him, but with the Commons in its present mood you can't exclude the idea that following a VONC some magical person (Clarke, Benn, Cooper) could become PM of a cobbled GNU with a VOC, at which point the Boris project is over. JC doesn't much want a VONC either becuase it could be the end of him, following an election. If I am right Boris would be keen on either a Commons 2/3 vote for an election, by agreement with Labour, or a one line Bill, but not a VONC.
Agree about drunken youths outside a nightclub, who as a group are more to be admired than the current state of the parties.
No, I don't think so, except perhaps via an agreed one-line bill. But in truth I think Labour are (unsurprisingly) trying to find an excuse. "Oh Lord, grant us an election soon, but not quite yet".
Reasons: 1. It's clearly the right thing to do. 2. It makes you look stupid, Boris.
It is embarrassing to go through this process and have huge respect for Tusk and Barnier (but not Juncker), whereas May and Johnson, Davis and Raab have all been pisspoor.
Talking about different things so false equivalence.
In fairness to Nigel Farage (five words I rarely start a sentence with), Boris Johnson has also said that the next stage will be wrapped up by the end of next year, so there is still a mismatch between what Boris Johnson and Michel Barnier have said on the subject.
It would be crazy for Labour to facilitate an election in the current climate and circumstances. From this - Holmes like - I make the deduction that they won't.
For what it's worth, I think Labour are leading the Conservatives up the garden path about an early election. If the Conservatives are going to get one, they'll need the help of the SNP and/or the Lib Dems.
I'm not convinced the Conservatives really want one either, mind. All the parties resemble drunken youths arguing outside a nightclub, spoiling for a fight and asking their friends to hold them back.
I think Boris probably does want an election, as there is a good chance of things getting worse for him, and he can't necessarily prevent an election at a time he doesn't want. I rather think however he is fearful of the VONC route. Boris's one principle is having become PM to stay PM. A VONC does not automatically remove him, but with the Commons in its present mood you can't exclude the idea that following a VONC some magical person (Clarke, Benn, Cooper) could become PM of a cobbled GNU with a VOC, at which point the Boris project is over. JC doesn't much want a VONC either becuase it could be the end of him, following an election. If I am right Boris would be keen on either a Commons 2/3 vote for an election, by agreement with Labour, or a one line Bill, but not a VONC.
Agree about drunken youths outside a nightclub, who as a group are more to be admired than the current state of the parties.
I don't agree the Boris project is over in that circumstance. He had united the Tory vote and is leading in the polls, so will stay as Tory leader until the next GE.
If the EU agree to an extension till 31 January then why would Bozo then try to crash the UK out with no deal if he’s already agreed an election date, and is he really going to go for no deal in the middle of an election .
Mr. B, don't know if it's happened yet or coming soon, but Formula E is going to enable gamers to 'drive' against the actual drivers in real time, combining gaming with sports coverage.
It's a brilliant idea.
Collisions that are risk-free for one party but dangerous for the other? Sounds like a recipe for slaughter.
It would be crazy for Labour to facilitate an election in the current climate and circumstances. From this - Holmes like - I make the deduction that they won't.
Richard Burgon said they wanted an election now on R4 this morning. And as he's wrong about pretty much everything...
No, I don't think so, except perhaps via an agreed one-line bill. But in truth I think Labour are (unsurprisingly) trying to find an excuse. "Oh Lord, grant us an election soon, but not quite yet".
If Labour are clearly trying to avoid an election, and the Tories won't countenance a referendum rerun, doesn't that make the EU think "screw this" and just give two weeks extension?
Compare Boris's figures to Corbyn's. Yes lets have an election, you can see why Labour MPs and supporters are bricking it.
..which will most likely produce another hung parliament. Boris is shit, Corbyn is shit. They are all part of the same pointlessBrexit shitstorm. A GE will change very little
For what it's worth, I think Labour are leading the Conservatives up the garden path about an early election. If the Conservatives are going to get one, they'll need the help of the SNP and/or the Lib Dems.
I'm not convinced the Conservatives really want one either, mind. All the parties resemble drunken youths arguing outside a nightclub, spoiling for a fight and asking their friends to hold them back.
I think Boris probably does want an election, as there is a good chance of things getting worse for him, and he can't necessarily prevent an election at a time he doesn't want. I rather think however he is fearful of the VONC route. Boris's one principle is having become PM to stay PM. A VONC does not automatically remove him, but with the Commons in its present mood you can't exclude the idea that following a VONC some magical person (Clarke, Benn, Cooper) could become PM of a cobbled GNU with a VOC, at which point the Boris project is over. JC doesn't much want a VONC either becuase it could be the end of him, following an election. If I am right Boris would be keen on either a Commons 2/3 vote for an election, by agreement with Labour, or a one line Bill, but not a VONC.
Agree about drunken youths outside a nightclub, who as a group are more to be admired than the current state of the parties.
I don't agree the Boris project is over in that circumstance. He had united the Tory vote and is leading in the polls, so will stay as Tory leader until the next GE.
Mr. B, don't know if it's happened yet or coming soon, but Formula E is going to enable gamers to 'drive' against the actual drivers in real time, combining gaming with sports coverage.
It's a brilliant idea.
Collisions that are risk-free for one party but dangerous for the other? Sounds like a recipe for slaughter.
If the EU agree to an extension till 31 January then why would Bozo then try to crash the UK out with no deal if he’s already agreed an election date, and is he really going to go for no deal in the middle of an election .
Yes as much as posters are saying all parties look ridiculous, this "we might crash out on 31st January" is utterly utterly ludicrous.
Mr. B, don't know if it's happened yet or coming soon, but Formula E is going to enable gamers to 'drive' against the actual drivers in real time, combining gaming with sports coverage.
It's a brilliant idea.
Collisions that are risk-free for one party but dangerous for the other? Sounds like a recipe for slaughter.
Mr. B, don't know if it's happened yet or coming soon, but Formula E is going to enable gamers to 'drive' against the actual drivers in real time, combining gaming with sports coverage.
It's a brilliant idea.
Collisions that are risk-free for one party but dangerous for the other? Sounds like a recipe for slaughter.
For what it's worth, I think Labour are leading the Conservatives up the garden path about an early election. If the Conservatives are going to get one, they'll need the help of the SNP and/or the Lib Dems.
I'm not convinced the Conservatives really want one either, mind. All the parties resemble drunken youths arguing outside a nightclub, spoiling for a fight and asking their friends to hold them back.
I think Boris probably does want an election, as there is a good chance of things getting worse for him, and he can't necessarily prevent an election at a time he doesn't want. I rather think however he is fearful of the VONC route. Boris's one principle is having become PM to stay PM. A VONC does not automatically remove him, but with the Commons in its present mood you can't exclude the idea that following a VONC some magical person (Clarke, Benn, Cooper) could become PM of a cobbled GNU with a VOC, at which point the Boris project is over. JC doesn't much want a VONC either becuase it could be the end of him, following an election. If I am right Boris would be keen on either a Commons 2/3 vote for an election, by agreement with Labour, or a one line Bill, but not a VONC.
Agree about drunken youths outside a nightclub, who as a group are more to be admired than the current state of the parties.
I don't agree the Boris project is over in that circumstance. He had united the Tory vote and is leading in the polls, so will stay as Tory leader until the next GE.
"united the Tory vote"? Are you having a laugh?
Pretty much ?
There's a missing 7 odd% somewhere from the height of May but it's back to Cameron numbers.
If Labour are clearly trying to avoid an election, and the Tories won't countenance a referendum rerun, doesn't that make the EU think "screw this" and just give two weeks extension?
No, I think they'll want to stay as far away as possible from anything which either looks like interference in the UK's affairs, or which might land them with some of the blame for an accidental no-deal crash-out. So I think they will play it absolutely straight by agreeing to the request which Boris has already (if reluctantly) made for an extension to the 31st January (with a reminder that it could be earlier if the Withdrawal Agreement is ratified earlier).
If the EU agree to an extension till 31 January then why would Bozo then try to crash the UK out with no deal if he’s already agreed an election date, and is he really going to go for no deal in the middle of an election .
Yes as much as posters are saying all parties look ridiculous, this "we might crash out on 31st January" is utterly utterly ludicrous.
Is Labour now trying to say Boris will call an election in late October, and then extend the campaign through November, December AND January so we don't vote until February?
If Labour are clearly trying to avoid an election, and the Tories won't countenance a referendum rerun, doesn't that make the EU think "screw this" and just give two weeks extension?
No, I think they'll want to stay as far away as possible from anything which either looks like interference in the UK's affairs, or which might land them with some of the blame for an accidental no-deal crash-out. So I think they will play it absolutely straight by agreeing to the request which Boris has already (if reluctantly) made for an extension to the 31st January.
They're staying even more neutral than that - it is now not "Boris' request" but the "UK request" (As per Tusk language)
If the EU agree to an extension till 31 January then why would Bozo then try to crash the UK out with no deal if he’s already agreed an election date, and is he really going to go for no deal in the middle of an election .
Yes as much as posters are saying all parties look ridiculous, this "we might crash out on 31st January" is utterly utterly ludicrous.
Is Labour now trying to say Boris will call an election in late October, and then extend the campaign through November, December AND January so we don't vote until February?
Risible!
Yes, it's laughable. I suppose in theory Labour could keep playing this game till 2022 though.
If the EU agree to an extension till 31 January then why would Bozo then try to crash the UK out with no deal if he’s already agreed an election date, and is he really going to go for no deal in the middle of an election .
Yes as much as posters are saying all parties look ridiculous, this "we might crash out on 31st January" is utterly utterly ludicrous.
Is Labour now trying to say Boris will call an election in late October, and then extend the campaign through November, December AND January so we don't vote until February?
Risible!
I think you've got it the wrong way around. I think Labour are trying to say the vote has to be before the date of the end of the extension, not after.
It would be crazy for Labour to facilitate an election in the current climate and circumstances. From this - Holmes like - I make the deduction that they won't.
It seemed pretty crazy of them to agree to one in April 2017. But at 10pm on polling day it seemed rather less crazy.
If Labour are clearly trying to avoid an election, and the Tories won't countenance a referendum rerun, doesn't that make the EU think "screw this" and just give two weeks extension?
No, I think they'll want to stay as far away as possible from anything which either looks like interference in the UK's affairs, or which might land them with some of the blame for an accidental no-deal crash-out. So I think they will play it absolutely straight by agreeing to the request which Boris has already (if reluctantly) made for an extension to the 31st January.
They're staying even more neutral than that - it is now not "Boris' request" but the "UK request" (As per Tusk language)
Well, yes of course. I was just trying to wind up @HYUFD.
It would be crazy for Labour to facilitate an election in the current climate and circumstances. From this - Holmes like - I make the deduction that they won't.
It seemed pretty crazy of them to agree to one in April 2017. But at 10pm on polling day it seemed rather less crazy.
Perhaps Corbyn should have the courage of his convictions again then
It would be crazy for Labour to facilitate an election in the current climate and circumstances. From this - Holmes like - I make the deduction that they won't.
It seemed pretty crazy of them to agree to one in April 2017. But at 10pm on polling day it seemed rather less crazy.
Perhaps Corbyn should have the courage of his convictions again then
The Polish government has basically told those Tories trying to get them to veto an extension to get lost .
Ambushed by Tony Livesey on Radio 5, Kawczynski sheepishly admitted not knowing the Polish for 'veto', despite being a soi-disant 'nearly fluent speaker'.
"It's 'weto', pronounced 'veto' ", said a triumphant Livesey.
Mr. B, don't know if it's happened yet or coming soon, but Formula E is going to enable gamers to 'drive' against the actual drivers in real time, combining gaming with sports coverage.
It's a brilliant idea.
I don’t fancy getting blasted by a red shell (for mariokart fans)
If BoZo tries for an early election, might the opposition parties be disinclined to agree, given "It's Christmas, you muppet!" ?
Indeed. If he inflicts a Dec election on the public it will utterly ruin the festive season. I mean, just imagine, all of that crap going on when people are meant to be relaxing with family. Would they know it's Christmas time at all?
I can’t imagine he will go any later than Dec 5th. I’m certainly not in festive relaxing mode at that stage and if it is that date we have a work conference that day and I would need to request a postal vote.
If the EU agree to an extension till 31 January then why would Bozo then try to crash the UK out with no deal if he’s already agreed an election date, and is he really going to go for no deal in the middle of an election .
An extension to 31st January as specified in the Benn Act was always an odd choice, as it killed a referendum stone dead (no time before, requires yet ANOTHER extension from the EU to be held - somebody will scream "Enough extensions! Fucking decide!!!).
With another referendum off the agenda, do those who have been calling for it instead want the Boris Deal, or revoke? Journalists who have had enough of being hand-fed scraps on lobby terms might instead start, you know, asking some awkward questions of the awkward squad.....
28th October EU grant extension to 31 Jan (shortenable). Gov introduces bill saying: 'Notwithstanding FTPA the next election shall be on Nov 28 with parliament rising on October 31.'
Can't see why this can't happen. Easier than getting 2/3 majority. Would labour risk voting against and look afraid of election? Leaves Dec and Jan to scrutinise WAB. But perhaps Boris would prefer only Jan to be available to pass WAB in case only a small majority so Dec 5 or 12 more likely?
Agreeing new program motion and then shortening extension seems more logical but if Boris is confident of getting a majority then above route seems plausibly available? Or am I misunderstanding/missing something?
What happened to the whole "As soon as 'No deal' is off the table" we will have an election from Labour ?
I suppose Johnson hasn't died in a ditch either mind ;p
With the FTPA the times when both parties actually want an election will be rare. One of the parties will tend to prefer a delay. We should get used to the school ground posturing of threats and backtracking from both sides.
"On 18 April 2017, the Prime Minister Theresa May announced she would seek an election on 8 June,[21] despite previously ruling out an early election.[22][23] A House of Commons motion to allow this was passed on 19 April, with 522 votes for and 13 against, a majority of 509.[24] The motion was supported by the Conservatives, Labour, the Liberal Democrats and the Greens, while the SNP abstained.[21] Nine Labour MPs, one SDLP MP and three independents (Sylvia Hermon and two former SNP MPs, Natalie McGarry and Michelle Thomson) voted against the motion.
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn supported the early election,[26] as did Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron and the Green Party.[27][28] The SNP stated that it was in favour of fixed-term parliaments, and would abstain in the House of Commons vote.[29] UKIP leader Paul Nuttall and First Minister of Wales Carwyn Jones criticised May for being opportunistic in the timing of the election, motivated by the then strong position of the Conservative Party in the opinion polls.
On 25 April, the election date was confirmed as 8 June,[32] with dissolution on 3 May. The government announced that it intended for the next parliament to assemble on 13 June, with the state opening on 19 June.
If the election date is set for 5th December it's set for 5th December and the PM wouldn't be able to change it without a recall of Parliament and Parliaments agreement.
That was the same with a 14th or 15th October election of well of course.
Things would get messy if something happened mid-campaign that meant the election had to be postponed but again it couldn't happen without a recall of Parliament and Parliaments agreement.
The Polish government has basically told those Tories trying to get them to veto an extension to get lost .
Quite right
Yeah, not sure why no 10 haven’t tried to stop him. Useful idiot, I suppose.
Drop the word useful.
He's a backbencher isn't he? Better to let idiot backbenchers like that do their own harmless things in the background than try and stop idiots saying something stupid all the time.
I can’t imagine he will go any later than Dec 5th. I’m certainly not in festive relaxing mode at that stage and if it is that date we have a work conference that day and I would need to request a postal vote.
A 'Peoples Parliament' that would finally honour the referendum result.
A fantastic Christmas present for the 17m+ who voted to leave.
With the FTPA the times when both parties actually want an election will be rare. One of the parties will tend to prefer a delay. We should get used to the school ground posturing of threats and backtracking from both sides.
The next majority government (of whatever colour) will be sorely tempted to repeal the FTPA.
It was legislation of its time which has been exposed in ways that couldn't have been envisaged in 2010.
28th October EU grant extension to 31 Jan (shortenable). Gov introduces bill saying: 'Notwithstanding FTPA the next election shall be on Nov 28 with parliament rising on October 31.'
Can't see why this can't happen. Easier than getting 2/3 majority. Would labour risk voting against and look afraid of election? Leaves Dec and Jan to scrutinise WAB. But perhaps Boris would prefer only Jan to be available to pass WAB in case only a small majority so Dec 5 or 12 more likely?
Agreeing new program motion and then shortening extension seems more logical but if Boris is confident of getting a majority then above route seems plausibly available? Or am I misunderstanding/missing something?
How could the opposition amend it would be the question.
They could change the date (Wouldn't worry the Gov't I expect)
I don't think they can change the system to some form of PR - Labour wouldn't want to anyway given its appalling polling.
Try and change franchise to 16/17 - would that get the votes ? Not sure
EU Citizens looks to be the one but I'm not sure it has the votes.
I can’t imagine he will go any later than Dec 5th. I’m certainly not in festive relaxing mode at that stage and if it is that date we have a work conference that day and I would need to request a postal vote.
A 'Peoples Parliament' that would finally honour the referendum result.
A fantastic Christmas present for the 17m+ who voted to leave.
“I don't know what to do!" cried Scrooge, laughing and crying in the same breath; and making a perfect Laocoön of himself with his stockings. "I am as light as a feather, I am as happy as an angel, I am as merry as a school-boy. I am as giddy as a drunken man. A merry Christmas to every-body! A happy New Year to all the world! Hallo here! Whoop! Hallo!”
With the FTPA the times when both parties actually want an election will be rare. One of the parties will tend to prefer a delay. We should get used to the school ground posturing of threats and backtracking from both sides.
The next majority government (of whatever colour) will be sorely tempted to repeal the FTPA.
It was legislation of its time which has been exposed in ways that couldn't have been envisaged in 2010.
Yes, FTPA won't survivie the next majority government.
"On 18 April 2017, the Prime Minister Theresa May announced she would seek an election on 8 June,[21] despite previously ruling out an early election.[22][23] A House of Commons motion to allow this was passed on 19 April, with 522 votes for and 13 against, a majority of 509.[24] The motion was supported by the Conservatives, Labour, the Liberal Democrats and the Greens, while the SNP abstained.[21] Nine Labour MPs, one SDLP MP and three independents (Sylvia Hermon and two former SNP MPs, Natalie McGarry and Michelle Thomson) voted against the motion.
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn supported the early election,[26] as did Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron and the Green Party.[27][28] The SNP stated that it was in favour of fixed-term parliaments, and would abstain in the House of Commons vote.[29] UKIP leader Paul Nuttall and First Minister of Wales Carwyn Jones criticised May for being opportunistic in the timing of the election, motivated by the then strong position of the Conservative Party in the opinion polls.
On 25 April, the election date was confirmed as 8 June,[32] with dissolution on 3 May. The government announced that it intended for the next parliament to assemble on 13 June, with the state opening on 19 June.
If the election date is set for 5th December it's set for 5th December and the PM wouldn't be able to change it without a recall of Parliament and Parliaments agreement.
That was the same with a 14th or 15th October election of well of course.
Of course things would get messy if something happened mid-campaign that meant the election had to be postponed but again it couldn't happen without a recall of Parliament and Parliaments agreement.
The date of the election is set by proclamation, and it was set a week after parliament had voted for it. I think that’s their worry.
28th October EU grant extension to 31 Jan (shortenable). Gov introduces bill saying: 'Notwithstanding FTPA the next election shall be on Nov 28 with parliament rising on October 31.'
Can't see why this can't happen. Easier than getting 2/3 majority. Would labour risk voting against and look afraid of election? Leaves Dec and Jan to scrutinise WAB. But perhaps Boris would prefer only Jan to be available to pass WAB in case only a small majority so Dec 5 or 12 more likely?
Agreeing new program motion and then shortening extension seems more logical but if Boris is confident of getting a majority then above route seems plausibly available? Or am I misunderstanding/missing something?
Can things be voted on that just basically say "ignoring law x"? That sounds hilarious. "Notwithstanding the [whatever act that makes it illegal to murder people] we say we can kill Bob because he is funny looking". Fun times
I can’t imagine he will go any later than Dec 5th. I’m certainly not in festive relaxing mode at that stage and if it is that date we have a work conference that day and I would need to request a postal vote.
A 'Peoples Parliament' that would finally honour the referendum result.
A fantastic Christmas present for the 17m+ who voted to leave.
The Polish government has basically told those Tories trying to get them to veto an extension to get lost .
Ambushed by Tony Livesey on Radio 5, Kawczynski sheepishly admitted not knowing the Polish for 'veto', despite being a soi-disant 'nearly fluent speaker'.
"It's 'weto', pronounced 'veto' ", said a triumphant Livesey.
Vying with Burgon for dimmest MP of the day, I see.
28th October EU grant extension to 31 Jan (shortenable). Gov introduces bill saying: 'Notwithstanding FTPA the next election shall be on Nov 28 with parliament rising on October 31.'
Can't see why this can't happen. Easier than getting 2/3 majority. Would labour risk voting against and look afraid of election? Leaves Dec and Jan to scrutinise WAB. But perhaps Boris would prefer only Jan to be available to pass WAB in case only a small majority so Dec 5 or 12 more likely?
Agreeing new program motion and then shortening extension seems more logical but if Boris is confident of getting a majority then above route seems plausibly available? Or am I misunderstanding/missing something?
Can things be voted on that just basically say "ignoring law x"? That sounds hilarious. "Notwithstanding the [whatever act that makes it illegal to murder people] we say we can kill Bob because he is funny looking". Fun times
Parliament is sovereign. The law will be change to “this is the law, except for on this one date”.
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It's a brilliant idea.
Belfast Telegraph, 15 October 2019:
"DUP leader Arlene Foster met with a number of prominent loyalists during a series of meetings last week over Brexit, it has been alleged.
The revelation came after loyalist paramilitaries threatened protests if Northern Ireland's status in the UK is "diluted" after the UK leaves the EU. The warning led to calls for greater engagement with the loyalist community.
In a series of tweets yesterday, journalist Brian Rowan alleged that Mrs Foster, along with other senior DUP colleagues, met with Jimmy Birch, Jackie McDonald and Matt Kincaid, who have previously been named as senior UDA figures.
At a separate meeting, organised through the auspices of the Action for Community Transformation project, Mr Rowan stated that alleged senior UVF members Winston Irvine and Harry Stockman were present."
But the WAIB will not progress in the current parliament - it will be amended to death if it ever reappears. So an election may be unavoidable.
I'm not sure that driving a racing car while off your face on ecstasy is a good idea.
https://twitter.com/nigel_farage/status/1186934014864691200?s=21
https://twitter.com/Torcuil/status/1186994005441155072
https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1186994872223449088
For me, this is one of those times.
I managed to make money laying then backing Boris Johnson after it got down to the final two. I feel pretty shrewd as political bettors go.
I feel I have zero insight into this and advise leaving it all well alone. More power to anyone who has ridden these markets to profit.
The Jav is an idiot
https://twitter.com/nicholaswatt/status/1186990470460837890
Agree about drunken youths outside a nightclub, who as a group are more to be admired than the current state of the parties.
It always was actually... The date could easily have been fixed, in law, for 14th or 15th October for example.
All of the stuff at the time about ensuring "no deal" didn't happen was bullshit.
If the EU agree to an extension till 31 January then why would Bozo then try to crash the UK out with no deal if he’s already agreed an election date, and is he really going to go for no deal in the middle of an election .
I think the Tories will be happy to fight on ANY date before then.
https://www.fiaformulae.com/en/news/2019/april/formulae-ghost-racing-launched
I might get a by-election in January anyway.
There's a missing 7 odd% somewhere from the height of May but it's back to Cameron numbers.
https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1186989830695215106
Risible!
Best of luck to them if they do that mind.
I did not vote for a Clean-Break Brexit. I voted hoping for the deal the Vote Leave team said they should get and now have got.
I suppose Johnson hasn't died in a ditch either mind ;p
They should at least look like they are driving the process rather than being dragged to the ballot box like a condemned prisoner.
"It's 'weto', pronounced 'veto' ", said a triumphant Livesey.
With another referendum off the agenda, do those who have been calling for it instead want the Boris Deal, or revoke? Journalists who have had enough of being hand-fed scraps on lobby terms might instead start, you know, asking some awkward questions of the awkward squad.....
That looked like a weak line to me and I said so at the time.
Gov introduces bill saying: 'Notwithstanding FTPA the next election shall be on Nov 28 with parliament rising on October 31.'
Can't see why this can't happen. Easier than getting 2/3 majority. Would labour risk voting against and look afraid of election?
Leaves Dec and Jan to scrutinise WAB. But perhaps Boris would prefer only Jan to be available to pass WAB in case only a small majority so Dec 5 or 12 more likely?
Agreeing new program motion and then shortening extension seems more logical but if Boris is confident of getting a majority then above route seems plausibly available? Or am I misunderstanding/missing something?
"On 18 April 2017, the Prime Minister Theresa May announced she would seek an election on 8 June,[21] despite previously ruling out an early election.[22][23] A House of Commons motion to allow this was passed on 19 April, with 522 votes for and 13 against, a majority of 509.[24] The motion was supported by the Conservatives, Labour, the Liberal Democrats and the Greens, while the SNP abstained.[21] Nine Labour MPs, one SDLP MP and three independents (Sylvia Hermon and two former SNP MPs, Natalie McGarry and Michelle Thomson) voted against the motion.
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn supported the early election,[26] as did Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron and the Green Party.[27][28] The SNP stated that it was in favour of fixed-term parliaments, and would abstain in the House of Commons vote.[29] UKIP leader Paul Nuttall and First Minister of Wales Carwyn Jones criticised May for being opportunistic in the timing of the election, motivated by the then strong position of the Conservative Party in the opinion polls.
On 25 April, the election date was confirmed as 8 June,[32] with dissolution on 3 May. The government announced that it intended for the next parliament to assemble on 13 June, with the state opening on 19 June.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_United_Kingdom_general_election
If the election date is set for 5th December it's set for 5th December and the PM wouldn't be able to change it without a recall of Parliament and Parliaments agreement.
That was the same with a 14th or 15th October election of well of course.
Things would get messy if something happened mid-campaign that meant the election had to be postponed but again it couldn't happen without a recall of Parliament and Parliaments agreement.
He's a backbencher isn't he? Better to let idiot backbenchers like that do their own harmless things in the background than try and stop idiots saying something stupid all the time.
A fantastic Christmas present for the 17m+ who voted to leave.
It was legislation of its time which has been exposed in ways that couldn't have been envisaged in 2010.
They could change the date (Wouldn't worry the Gov't I expect)
I don't think they can change the system to some form of PR - Labour wouldn't want to anyway given its appalling polling.
Try and change franchise to 16/17 - would that get the votes ? Not sure
EU Citizens looks to be the one but I'm not sure it has the votes.
If the Brexit party aren’t silly buggers, yes.