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Yes because Farage is only concerned about Farage.Stocky said:Another_richard: you think that Farage wants Brexit defeated and Corbyn as PM??
A Boris majority and Brexit achieved would totally sideline Farage.1 -
Assumption: date set is 31/01/20
Condition: election is held.
The election has to be called ASAP, in my opinion to avoid Christmas / new year. November or December election.
Assumption 2 date 30/06/20
Condition election or referendum
If Labour want to negotiation then hold a referendum as per policy the election is November or December to allow 6 months for referendum legislation and campaign.
In both of th above they are likely to support a Johnson 60% request for an election. Better for labour than having 14 days of Corbyn failing to get VOC. under FTPA.
So I disagree with the header unless the extention is beyond 30/06/200 -
I looked in the dictionary, under naïve, and found this post.Mysticrose said:And, to run counter to what most people think, Corbyn will out-perform in a General Election campaign. Like he did last time. He's really quite good on the hustings, whipping up fervour about things he's actually interested in. I doubt he'd win a majority but I'm fairly confident he will prevent a Con-DUP majority, ably assisted by the SNP, LibDems and BXP.
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philiph: You are suggesting that the EU can make us have a general election, even specifiying the date? Surely not.0
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A buffet car on journeys of more than a couple of hours is reasonable. It is the constant snacking on buses and tube that she dislikes.OnlyLivingBoy said:
To be fair I don't normally eat anything in the 13 hours or so between dinner and breakfast, so the Caledonian Sleeper is probably the one long train journey where I would happily go without food (and indeed often do, although my regular journey is less than 9 hours).TGOHF2 said:
Welcome aboard tonight’s Caledonian sleeper from Euston to Fort William - we will be searching all rucksacks for contraband IPA and your next meal will be a bacon butty in 13hrs time.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Flashman (deceased), that doesn't necessarily mean she's wrong about disruption.
[I believe she's also the damned fool who decided drinking guidelines should be the same for men and women, despite men being able to take more alcohol. Still, at least women will be able to enjoy the sexual equality of increased liver failure...]
Junk food culture is killing the young. Watching TV street shots of the Seventies and Eighties shows how obese we have become over just a few decades.0 -
Maybe the explanation is that people aren't smoking as much as they used to.Foxy said:
A buffet car on journeys of more than a couple of hours is reasonable. It is the constant snacking on buses and tube that she dislikes.OnlyLivingBoy said:
To be fair I don't normally eat anything in the 13 hours or so between dinner and breakfast, so the Caledonian Sleeper is probably the one long train journey where I would happily go without food (and indeed often do, although my regular journey is less than 9 hours).TGOHF2 said:
Welcome aboard tonight’s Caledonian sleeper from Euston to Fort William - we will be searching all rucksacks for contraband IPA and your next meal will be a bacon butty in 13hrs time.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Flashman (deceased), that doesn't necessarily mean she's wrong about disruption.
[I believe she's also the damned fool who decided drinking guidelines should be the same for men and women, despite men being able to take more alcohol. Still, at least women will be able to enjoy the sexual equality of increased liver failure...]
Junk food culture is killing the young. Watching TV street shots of the Seventies and Eighties shows how obese we have become over just a few decades.0 -
Suspect it will simply act as a barrier to people ditching the car for the train if you can’t have a sandwich and a can of beer.Foxy said:
A buffet car on journeys of more than a couple of hours is reasonable. It is the constant snacking on buses and tube that she dislikes.OnlyLivingBoy said:
To be fair I don't normally eat anything in the 13 hours or so between dinner and breakfast, so the Caledonian Sleeper is probably the one long train journey where I would happily go without food (and indeed often do, although my regular journey is less than 9 hours).TGOHF2 said:
Welcome aboard tonight’s Caledonian sleeper from Euston to Fort William - we will be searching all rucksacks for contraband IPA and your next meal will be a bacon butty in 13hrs time.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Flashman (deceased), that doesn't necessarily mean she's wrong about disruption.
[I believe she's also the damned fool who decided drinking guidelines should be the same for men and women, despite men being able to take more alcohol. Still, at least women will be able to enjoy the sexual equality of increased liver failure...]
Junk food culture is killing the young. Watching TV street shots of the Seventies and Eighties shows how obese we have become over just a few decades.2 -
I thought you didn't have a TV?!Foxy said:
A buffet car on journeys of more than a couple of hours is reasonable. It is the constant snacking on buses and tube that she dislikes.OnlyLivingBoy said:
To be fair I don't normally eat anything in the 13 hours or so between dinner and breakfast, so the Caledonian Sleeper is probably the one long train journey where I would happily go without food (and indeed often do, although my regular journey is less than 9 hours).TGOHF2 said:
Welcome aboard tonight’s Caledonian sleeper from Euston to Fort William - we will be searching all rucksacks for contraband IPA and your next meal will be a bacon butty in 13hrs time.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Flashman (deceased), that doesn't necessarily mean she's wrong about disruption.
[I believe she's also the damned fool who decided drinking guidelines should be the same for men and women, despite men being able to take more alcohol. Still, at least women will be able to enjoy the sexual equality of increased liver failure...]
Junk food culture is killing the young. Watching TV street shots of the Seventies and Eighties shows how obese we have become over just a few decades.1 -
Boris has all the cards.Stocky said:Roger says: "Meanwhile can Boris be stopped from winning an outright majority while Corbyn still leads the Labour party? I don't think so"
As I keep saying ad nauseam, it all depends on what the BXP do. Farage could yet act in a way which ironically: 1) defeats Brexit (by producing a non-Tory led govenment which referendums/revokes) 2) Makes Corbyn PM
1. He's unscrupulous.
2. As PM he can offer Farage anything he wants. Ambassador to Washington?
3. Corbyn's people are from the 70's. Techniques have moved on
4. Cummings is perhaps the smartest salesperson in the land
5. All the significant press are in his corner
6. His press are uncritical to the point of acting as his mouthpiece
7. The Mail The Telegraph and The Sun will act as Johnson free-sheets for the length of the campaign
8. Corbyn lends himself to a negative campaign particulary in the hands of the above. There will be no holes barred. He will get the full Michael Foot treatment0 -
His former deputy at the Treasury disagrees. Thankfully, her job is now getting international trade deals done, fantastic to see such an optimist in that position.williamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1182199962991509505
https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/11818212207041986560 -
"freedom"Sandpit said:
His former deputy at the Treasury disagrees. Thankfully, her job is now getting international trade deals done, fantastic to see such an optimist in that position.williamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1182199962991509505
https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1181821220704198656
It's an insult to those people who actually live in countries that aren't free.1 -
They're got going to force the train companies to go vegan?TGOHF2 said:
Welcome aboard tonight’s Caledonian sleeper from Euston to Fort William - we will be searching all rucksacks for contraband IPA and your next meal will be a bacon butty in 13hrs time.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Flashman (deceased), that doesn't necessarily mean she's wrong about disruption.
[I believe she's also the damned fool who decided drinking guidelines should be the same for men and women, despite men being able to take more alcohol. Still, at least women will be able to enjoy the sexual equality of increased liver failure...]0 -
That'll be the WTO that was established in 1995.Sandpit said:His former deputy at the Treasury disagrees. Thankfully, her job is now getting international trade deals done, fantastic to see such an optimist in that position.
https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1181821220704198656
"45 years."1 -
Yes but the Joker in that deck is Johnson himself and is totally unpredictable in what he is going to say. He’s a compulsive liar and will be caught out time and time again. Farage won’t go away even if the UK left on 31/10 and Johnson campaigned on no deal Farage would still say you can’t trust him he’s a pathological liar. His problem would be that should we have left no deal his tax avoiding mates will withdraw their cash from TBP as they will have achieved their objectives.Roger said:
Boris has all the cards.Stocky said:Roger says: "Meanwhile can Boris be stopped from winning an outright majority while Corbyn still leads the Labour party? I don't think so"
As I keep saying ad nauseam, it all depends on what the BXP do. Farage could yet act in a way which ironically: 1) defeats Brexit (by producing a non-Tory led govenment which referendums/revokes) 2) Makes Corbyn PM
1. He's unscrupulous.
2. As PM he can offer Farage anything he wants. Ambassador to Washington?
3. Corbyn's people are from the 70's. Techniques have moved on
4. Cummings is perhaps the smartest salesperson in the land
5. All the significant press are in his corner
6. His press are uncritical to the point of acting as his mouthpiece
7. The Mail The Telegraph and The Sun will act as Johnson free-sheets for the length of the campaign
8. Corbyn lends himself to a negative campaign particulary in the hands of the above. There will be no holes barred. He will get the full Michael Foot treatment0 -
And here we see the upcoming attack line on a thousand Lib Dem leaflets:
https://twitter.com/joswinson/status/11822076923136491520 -
In France you can immediately tell when a British cruise ship has arrived by the passengers. They look like a different species. And it's not just that cruises attract the slothful beacause ships from other countries dont have the same problem. The only competing country is the US. The alleyways and streets of the old town become unnavigable. A waitress in one of the bars said to me the other day she was surprised the ship didn't sink.Foxy said:
A buffet car on journeys of more than a couple of hours is reasonable. It is the constant snacking on buses and tube that she dislikes.OnlyLivingBoy said:
To be fair I don't normally eat anything in the 13 hours or so between dinner and breakfast, so the Caledonian Sleeper is probably the one long train journey where I would happily go without food (and indeed often do, although my regular journey is less than 9 hours).TGOHF2 said:
Welcome aboard tonight’s Caledonian sleeper from Euston to Fort William - we will be searching all rucksacks for contraband IPA and your next meal will be a bacon butty in 13hrs time.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Flashman (deceased), that doesn't necessarily mean she's wrong about disruption.
[I believe she's also the damned fool who decided drinking guidelines should be the same for men and women, despite men being able to take more alcohol. Still, at least women will be able to enjoy the sexual equality of increased liver failure...]
Junk food culture is killing the young. Watching TV street shots of the Seventies and Eighties shows how obese we have become over just a few decades.0 -
"has all the cards"Roger said:
Boris has all the cards.Stocky said:Roger says: "Meanwhile can Boris be stopped from winning an outright majority while Corbyn still leads the Labour party? I don't think so"
As I keep saying ad nauseam, it all depends on what the BXP do. Farage could yet act in a way which ironically: 1) defeats Brexit (by producing a non-Tory led govenment which referendums/revokes) 2) Makes Corbyn PM
1. He's unscrupulous.
2. As PM he can offer Farage anything he wants. Ambassador to Washington?
3. Corbyn's people are from the 70's. Techniques have moved on
4. Cummings is perhaps the smartest salesperson in the land
5. All the significant press are in his corner
6. His press are uncritical to the point of acting as his mouthpiece
7. The Mail The Telegraph and The Sun will act as Johnson free-sheets for the length of the campaign
8. Corbyn lends himself to a negative campaign particulary in the hands of the above. There will be no holes barred. He will get the full Michael Foot treatment
That... that rings a bell from somewhere. I'm trying to remember how it all panned out.1 -
Smoking and obesity are often correlated. Both are inversely related to social class.AndyJS said:
Maybe the explanation is that people aren't smoking as much as they used to.Foxy said:
A buffet car on journeys of more than a couple of hours is reasonable. It is the constant snacking on buses and tube that she dislikes.OnlyLivingBoy said:
To be fair I don't normally eat anything in the 13 hours or so between dinner and breakfast, so the Caledonian Sleeper is probably the one long train journey where I would happily go without food (and indeed often do, although my regular journey is less than 9 hours).TGOHF2 said:
Welcome aboard tonight’s Caledonian sleeper from Euston to Fort William - we will be searching all rucksacks for contraband IPA and your next meal will be a bacon butty in 13hrs time.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Flashman (deceased), that doesn't necessarily mean she's wrong about disruption.
[I believe she's also the damned fool who decided drinking guidelines should be the same for men and women, despite men being able to take more alcohol. Still, at least women will be able to enjoy the sexual equality of increased liver failure...]
Junk food culture is killing the young. Watching TV street shots of the Seventies and Eighties shows how obese we have become over just a few decades.
The biggest difference is activity levels. Little outdoor play for children, more sitting on the sofa snacking playing on screens.0 -
Well, that's one view.Sandpit said:
His former deputy at the Treasury disagrees. Thankfully, her job is now getting international trade deals done, fantastic to see such an optimist in that position.williamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1182199962991509505
https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1181821220704198656
A different view would be that it's optimistic to see such a fantasist in that position and be confident that it's possible that her "getting trade deals done" could outweigh the loss of economic activity caused by losing all those other 'trade deals'.0 -
Which will be refuted by labour talking about “Tory” Swinson. This GE will be particularly brutal.El_Capitano said:And here we see the upcoming attack line on a thousand Lib Dem leaflets:
https://twitter.com/joswinson/status/1182207692313649152
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Anyone who goes around calling themselves 'The Truss' must have some form of megalomania. I think I'll wait for the reality. Everyone's had enough of Leavers' daydreams.Sandpit said:
His former deputy at the Treasury disagrees. Thankfully, her job is now getting international trade deals done, fantastic to see such an optimist in that position.williamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1182199962991509505
https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/11818212207041986560 -
1 True but this may not be an electoral advantage. His Tory leadership campaign was characterised by an avoidance of scrutiny and an inability to answer hard questions.Roger said:
Boris has all the cards.Stocky said:Roger says: "Meanwhile can Boris be stopped from winning an outright majority while Corbyn still leads the Labour party? I don't think so"
As I keep saying ad nauseam, it all depends on what the BXP do. Farage could yet act in a way which ironically: 1) defeats Brexit (by producing a non-Tory led govenment which referendums/revokes) 2) Makes Corbyn PM
1. He's unscrupulous.
2. As PM he can offer Farage anything he wants. Ambassador to Washington?
3. Corbyn's people are from the 70's. Techniques have moved on
4. Cummings is perhaps the smartest salesperson in the land
5. All the significant press are in his corner
6. His press are uncritical to the point of acting as his mouthpiece
7. The Mail The Telegraph and The Sun will act as Johnson free-sheets for the length of the campaign
8. Corbyn lends himself to a negative campaign particulary in the hands of the above. There will be no holes barred. He will get the full Michael Foot treatment
2 Possibly but I doubt Farage is open to that kind of offer - he is an oppositionist par excellence and is happiest when he is ranting and railing against something - taking responsibility for something would seriously damage his brand.
3 True to some extent but Labour has more than twice as many footsoldiers as any other party and their ground campaign in 2017 was unexpectedly good.
4 Cummings' reputation is based entirely on the referendum. Everything else he has touched has been a disaster - his strategy for Johnson's premiership is in ruins and he has been wrongfooted by both the opposition and the EU at every turn.
5 The press is less important than it used to be. It was in May's corner in 2017, more stridently so in the case of the Mail which has toned down since Dacre left.
6 See 5.
7 Maybe but their circulations are falling and this factor did not help May.
8 Corbyn has had the full Michael Foot treatment on a daily basis since 2015. It is in the price. There can be nothing new to throw at him. Johnson, on the other hand, has many skeletons in the cupboard and the cupboard has not been cleaned out thoroughly before. His character will be an election issue and it is unlikely to be a positive, especially with women.
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What time asre we expecting Boris and Leo to have their Mexican Standof on the banks of the Mersey?
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Why?TOPPING said:
I thought you didn't have a TV?!Foxy said:
A buffet car on journeys of more than a couple of hours is reasonable. It is the constant snacking on buses and tube that she dislikes.OnlyLivingBoy said:
To be fair I don't normally eat anything in the 13 hours or so between dinner and breakfast, so the Caledonian Sleeper is probably the one long train journey where I would happily go without food (and indeed often do, although my regular journey is less than 9 hours).TGOHF2 said:
Welcome aboard tonight’s Caledonian sleeper from Euston to Fort William - we will be searching all rucksacks for contraband IPA and your next meal will be a bacon butty in 13hrs time.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Flashman (deceased), that doesn't necessarily mean she's wrong about disruption.
[I believe she's also the damned fool who decided drinking guidelines should be the same for men and women, despite men being able to take more alcohol. Still, at least women will be able to enjoy the sexual equality of increased liver failure...]
Junk food culture is killing the young. Watching TV street shots of the Seventies and Eighties shows how obese we have become over just a few decades.
I don't watch it much. Newsnight and the odd film and documentary mostly.0 -
F1: qualifying may be delayed until Sunday morning.
That means, due to the time difference, I may be offering a race tip without knowing what the grid is.
Hmm.1 -
Anyone who goes around calling themselves "The Truss" clearly has a sense of humour and a refreshing lack of self-importance.....Stark_Dawning said:
Anyone who goes around calling themselves 'The Truss' must have some form of megalomania. I think I'll wait for the reality. Everyone's had enough of Leavers' daydreams.Sandpit said:
His former deputy at the Treasury disagrees. Thankfully, her job is now getting international trade deals done, fantastic to see such an optimist in that position.williamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1182199962991509505
https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/11818212207041986560 -
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Looking at the length of those lines we'll need bigger ships. Why trade with france when we can trade with Hawaii?Sandpit said:
His former deputy at the Treasury disagrees. Thankfully, her job is now getting international trade deals done, fantastic to see such an optimist in that position.williamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1182199962991509505
https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/11818212207041986560 -
“No holes barred”? I’m don’t think even the British tabloids would stoop to violating Corbyn to that extent.Roger said:
Boris has all the cards.Stocky said:Roger says: "Meanwhile can Boris be stopped from winning an outright majority while Corbyn still leads the Labour party? I don't think so"
As I keep saying ad nauseam, it all depends on what the BXP do. Farage could yet act in a way which ironically: 1) defeats Brexit (by producing a non-Tory led govenment which referendums/revokes) 2) Makes Corbyn PM
1. He's unscrupulous.
2. As PM he can offer Farage anything he wants. Ambassador to Washington?
3. Corbyn's people are from the 70's. Techniques have moved on
4. Cummings is perhaps the smartest salesperson in the land
5. All the significant press are in his corner
6. His press are uncritical to the point of acting as his mouthpiece
7. The Mail The Telegraph and The Sun will act as Johnson free-sheets for the length of the campaign
8. Corbyn lends himself to a negative campaign particulary in the hands of the above. There will be no holes barred. He will get the full Michael Foot treatment2 -
Of course, French woman are never going to be obese - because they expend so many calories with all that nervous energy worrying their husband will finally dump them for his mistress.Roger said:
In France you can immediately tell when a British cruise ship has arrived by the passengers. They look like a different species. And it's not just that cruises attract the slothful beacause ships from other countries dont have the same problem. The only competing country is the US. The alleyways and streets of the old town become unnavigable. A waitress in one of the bars said to me the other day she was surprised the ship didn't sink.Foxy said:
A buffet car on journeys of more than a couple of hours is reasonable. It is the constant snacking on buses and tube that she dislikes.OnlyLivingBoy said:
To be fair I don't normally eat anything in the 13 hours or so between dinner and breakfast, so the Caledonian Sleeper is probably the one long train journey where I would happily go without food (and indeed often do, although my regular journey is less than 9 hours).TGOHF2 said:
Welcome aboard tonight’s Caledonian sleeper from Euston to Fort William - we will be searching all rucksacks for contraband IPA and your next meal will be a bacon butty in 13hrs time.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Flashman (deceased), that doesn't necessarily mean she's wrong about disruption.
[I believe she's also the damned fool who decided drinking guidelines should be the same for men and women, despite men being able to take more alcohol. Still, at least women will be able to enjoy the sexual equality of increased liver failure...]
Junk food culture is killing the young. Watching TV street shots of the Seventies and Eighties shows how obese we have become over just a few decades.
If we are playing the stereotype game....
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What time will Jezza be making his speech torpedoing Alastair's thread header? 0
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She doesn't sound that lacking in self-importance - portraying herself as the latter-day Marco Polo.MarqueeMark said:
Anyone who goes around calling themselves "The Truss" clearly has a sense of humour and a refreshing lack of self-importance.....Stark_Dawning said:
Anyone who goes around calling themselves 'The Truss' must have some form of megalomania. I think I'll wait for the reality. Everyone's had enough of Leavers' daydreams.Sandpit said:
His former deputy at the Treasury disagrees. Thankfully, her job is now getting international trade deals done, fantastic to see such an optimist in that position.williamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1182199962991509505
https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/11818212207041986560 -
On the childhood obesity stats, I think a small number are wrongly included - a friend's child I know got classified but he's all muscle and is charging through opposition rugby teams at centre...0
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Can someone explain to me why anybody would want a bloody election in the darkest part of the year close to Christmas?
It sounds like a barmy idea to me.0 -
Why Liverpool? Does Boris think the Bootle be on the other foot?GIN1138 said:What time asre we expecting Boris and Leo to have their Mexican Standof on the banks of the Mersey?
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It might be a stereotype but it’s true. The average British BMI is the second highest in the EU after Ireland. Given we have a much higher population than Ireland it means we have a lot more fat people.MarqueeMark said:
Of course, French woman are never going to be obese - because they expend so many calories with all that nervous energy worrying their husband will finally dump them for his mistress.Roger said:
In France you can immediately tell when a British cruise ship has arrived by the passengers. They look like a different species. And it's not just that cruises attract the slothful beacause ships from other countries dont have the same problem. The only competing country is the US. The alleyways and streets of the old town become unnavigable. A waitress in one of the bars said to me the other day she was surprised the ship didn't sink.Foxy said:
A buffet car on journeys of more than a couple of hours is reasonable. It is the constant snacking on buses and tube that she dislikes.OnlyLivingBoy said:
To be fair I don't normally eat anything in the 13 hours or so between dinner and breakfast, so the Caledonian Sleeper is probably the one long train journey where I would happily go without food (and indeed often do, although my regular journey is less than 9 hours).TGOHF2 said:
Welcome aboard tonight’s Caledonian sleeper from Euston to Fort William - we will be searching all rucksacks for contraband IPA and your next meal will be a bacon butty in 13hrs time.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Flashman (deceased), that doesn't necessarily mean she's wrong about disruption.
[I believe she's also the damned fool who decided drinking guidelines should be the same for men and women, despite men being able to take more alcohol. Still, at least women will be able to enjoy the sexual equality of increased liver failure...]
Junk food culture is killing the young. Watching TV street shots of the Seventies and Eighties shows how obese we have become over just a few decades.
If we are playing the stereotype game....
https://www.euronews.com/2019/05/09/which-country-has-the-highest-average-bmi-in-europe0 -
... only if you wanted to believe it. From memory weren't both the Tories and TBP up and by about 7 points between them?felix said:
Dunno but it partly worked because the figures were believable.logical_song said:Does anybody know who's behind the fake Britain Elects poll yesterday or why they did it (apart from winding up some posters on here)?
"There was no poll released today by @OpiniumResearch or tweeted by us. Figures you may be seeing come from a fake account attempting to impersonate us and put out false data."0 -
Or drive. You were telling us all about the imminent extinction of our species and we therefore assumed that you would lead by example.Foxy said:
Why?TOPPING said:
I thought you didn't have a TV?!Foxy said:
A buffet car on journeys of more than a couple of hours is reasonable. It is the constant snacking on buses and tube that she dislikes.OnlyLivingBoy said:
To be fair I don't normally eat anything in the 13 hours or so between dinner and breakfast, so the Caledonian Sleeper is probably the one long train journey where I would happily go without food (and indeed often do, although my regular journey is less than 9 hours).TGOHF2 said:
Welcome aboard tonight’s Caledonian sleeper from Euston to Fort William - we will be searching all rucksacks for contraband IPA and your next meal will be a bacon butty in 13hrs time.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Flashman (deceased), that doesn't necessarily mean she's wrong about disruption.
[I believe she's also the damned fool who decided drinking guidelines should be the same for men and women, despite men being able to take more alcohol. Still, at least women will be able to enjoy the sexual equality of increased liver failure...]
Junk food culture is killing the young. Watching TV street shots of the Seventies and Eighties shows how obese we have become over just a few decades.
I don't watch it much. Newsnight and the odd film and documentary mostly.0 -
Don't wish to be a pedant but Cummings is not a salesman. Modern sales is about win-win and product advocacy. Cummings is a propaganda man, a conman of the worst type.anothernick said:
1 True but this may not be an electoral advantage. His Tory leadership campaign was characterised by an avoidance of scrutiny and an inability to answer hard questions.Roger said:
Boris has all the cards.Stocky said:Roger says: "Meanwhile can Boris be stopped from winning an outright majority while Corbyn still leads the Labour party? I don't think so"
As I keep saying ad nauseam, it all depends on what the BXP do. Farage could yet act in a way which ironically: 1) defeats Brexit (by producing a non-Tory led govenment which referendums/revokes) 2) Makes Corbyn PM
1. He's unscrupulous.
2. As PM he can offer Farage anything he wants. Ambassador to Washington?
3. Corbyn's people are from the 70's. Techniques have moved on
4. Cummings is perhaps the smartest salesperson in the land
5. All the significant press are in his corner
6. His press are uncritical to the point of acting as his mouthpiece
7. The Mail The Telegraph and The Sun will act as Johnson free-sheets for the length of the campaign
8. Corbyn lends himself to a negative campaign particulary in the hands of the above. There will be no holes barred. He will get the full Michael Foot treatment
2 Possibly but I doubt Farage is open to that kind of offer - he is an oppositionist par excellence and is happiest when he is ranting and railing against something - taking responsibility for something would seriously damage his brand.
3 True to some extent but Labour has more than twice as many footsoldiers as any other party and their ground campaign in 2017 was unexpectedly good.
4 Cummings' reputation is based entirely on the referendum. Everything else he has touched has been a disaster - his strategy for Johnson's premiership is in ruins and he has been wrongfooted by both the opposition and the EU at every turn.
5 The press is less important than it used to be. It was in May's corner in 2017, more stridently so in the case of the Mail which has toned down since Dacre left.
6 See 5.
7 Maybe but their circulations are falling and this factor did not help May.
8 Corbyn has had the full Michael Foot treatment on a daily basis since 2015. It is in the price. There can be nothing new to throw at him. Johnson, on the other hand, has many skeletons in the cupboard and the cupboard has not been cleaned out thoroughly before. His character will be an election issue and it is unlikely to be a positive, especially with women.
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French women are a bit less likely to be overweight than the UK or EU average. UK men are pretty near the EU average. Maltese and Balts are the worst.MarqueeMark said:
Of course, French woman are never going to be obese - because they expend so many calories with all that nervous energy worrying their husband will finally dump them for his mistress.Roger said:
In France you can immediately tell when a British cruise ship has arrived by the passengers. They look like a different species. And it's not just that cruises attract the slothful beacause ships from other countries dont have the same problem. The only competing country is the US. The alleyways and streets of the old town become unnavigable. A waitress in one of the bars said to me the other day she was surprised the ship didn't sink.Foxy said:
A buffet car on journeys of more than a couple of hours is reasonable. It is the constant snacking on buses and tube that she dislikes.OnlyLivingBoy said:
To be fair I don't normally eat anything in the 13 hours or so between dinner and breakfast, so the Caledonian Sleeper is probably the one long train journey where I would happily go without food (and indeed often do, although my regular journey is less than 9 hours).TGOHF2 said:
Welcome aboard tonight’s Caledonian sleeper from Euston to Fort William - we will be searching all rucksacks for contraband IPA and your next meal will be a bacon butty in 13hrs time.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Flashman (deceased), that doesn't necessarily mean she's wrong about disruption.
[I believe she's also the damned fool who decided drinking guidelines should be the same for men and women, despite men being able to take more alcohol. Still, at least women will be able to enjoy the sexual equality of increased liver failure...]
Junk food culture is killing the young. Watching TV street shots of the Seventies and Eighties shows how obese we have become over just a few decades.
If we are playing the stereotype game....
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Overweight_and_obesity_-_BMI_statistics#Obesity_in_the_EU:_gender_differences
It is a pan European issue, and indeed pan global, even in developing countries.0 -
Except France has now made clear it will not allow an extension without a general election.
So either the Commons votes for a general election in late November or early December and France and the EU agree an extension or it does not and assuming the EU rejects the Boris plan we go to No Deal on 31st October.
The only other possibility is the Commons votes for EUref2 to get the extension but only 280 MPs voted for extension in the indicative votes0 -
And Leavers will not forget the Liberal Democrats refusing to respect their voteEl_Capitano said:And here we see the upcoming attack line on a thousand Lib Dem leaflets:
https://twitter.com/joswinson/status/11822076923136491520 -
Yes Farage wants Boris to extend and fail to deliver Brexit, the Brexit Party to overtake the Tories again, Corbyn to become PM of a minority government to reverse Brexit then the Brexit Party to win the general election after that so Farage becomes PM to finally deliver Brexitanother_richard said:
Yes because Farage is only concerned about Farage.Stocky said:Another_richard: you think that Farage wants Brexit defeated and Corbyn as PM??
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Mr. HYUFD, Leavers not backing the Lib Dems does sound a bit like Muslims boycotting pork butchers.2
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Voting in a dark, snowy December general election will have the helpful tag-lineHYUFD said:Except France has now made clear it will not allow an extension without a general election.
So either the Commons votes for a general election in late November or early December and France and the EU agree an extension or it does not and assuming the EU rejects the Boris plan we go to No Deal on 31st October.
The only other possibility is the Commons votes for EUref2 to get the extension but only 280 MPs voted for extension in the indicative votes
"This election was brought to you by demand of the French. Show them your gratitude...."0 -
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I thought the British people were crying out for an election? Now you're saying they'll be looking to blame someone for having one? Confusing.MarqueeMark said:
Voting in a dark, snowy December general election will have the helpful tag-lineHYUFD said:Except France has now made clear it will not allow an extension without a general election.
So either the Commons votes for a general election in late November or early December and France and the EU agree an extension or it does not and assuming the EU rejects the Boris plan we go to No Deal on 31st October.
The only other possibility is the Commons votes for EUref2 to get the extension but only 280 MPs voted for extension in the indicative votes
"This election was brought to you by demand of the French. Show them your gratitude...."0 -
Last time Corbyn got masses of Remainer tactical.votes, this time he won't and they will go LD.Mysticrose said:And, to run counter to what most people think, Corbyn will out-perform in a General Election campaign. Like he did last time. He's really quite good on the hustings, whipping up fervour about things he's actually interested in. I doubt he'd win a majority but I'm fairly confident he will prevent a Con-DUP majority, ably assisted by the SNP, LibDems and BXP.
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They actually said on sky that they were meeting on neutral ground has Liverpool declared UDI?MarqueeMark said:
Why Liverpool? Does Boris think the Bootle be on the other foot?GIN1138 said:What time asre we expecting Boris and Leo to have their Mexican Standof on the banks of the Mersey?
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Unusually, I'm half with you. However, to clarify she suggested banning food and drink (other than water) on urban public transport, rather than long distance trains.TGOHF2 said:
Is that the dumb quack that wants to ban eating and drinking on trains ?Scott_P said:
She seems to be an expert in puritanical nannying.
I would support that from an antisocial behaviour point of view – snacking on tubes and buses is gross and teenagers just litter the places up with food wrappers, so I'd support a ban for those reasons (just as I supported Boris' ban on booze on London transport which has worked well)0 -
Excellent analysis from Mr Meeks. Thank you. One comment though: It is in no-one's interest to carry on with government and parliament in its present stasis. But it is in no faction's interest to have a GE unless that faction can actually win it. Factions and parties of course coincide less than usual which complicates things. The current minority government has no power to call an election under the FTPA, and not even the power (almost certainly) to change the law to call an election. They haven't got the numbers. There is no faction or party that looks as if it can win a majority, and the nearest possibility is the Conservative/Leave party/faction - the very people who have no power to call one. So why should anyone lift a finger to enable to GE in the foreseeable future when there is no reason to think they can win, and every reason to think that the present government/party/faction will run into trouble.
So it is hard to see an end date to this nonsense.0 -
Labour was the beneficiary of Remainer votes? So that means they are right to blocking Brexit. You know, if it's what their voters wanted...HYUFD said:
Last time Corbyn got masses of Remainer tactical.votes, this time he won't and they will go LD.Mysticrose said:And, to run counter to what most people think, Corbyn will out-perform in a General Election campaign. Like he did last time. He's really quite good on the hustings, whipping up fervour about things he's actually interested in. I doubt he'd win a majority but I'm fairly confident he will prevent a Con-DUP majority, ably assisted by the SNP, LibDems and BXP.
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I cannot recall Hammond saying much. As I recall, he was kept away from the media during Mrs May's Premiership because he did not enthuse about Brexit and how fabulous it was going to be.Flanner said:So why did Hammond spend all of the May years supporting the gibberish arguments about "sunny uplands"?
Now that is an interesting question and no one seems to be wondering about it.Flanner said:Though possibly more importantly: what's got the Telegraph start printing sensible views from anyone about Brexit?
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You might as well make up your own poll numbers – they are no more or less useful than the rank garbage churned out weekly by the 'real' thing.felix said:
Dunno but it partly worked because the figures were believable.logical_song said:Does anybody know who's behind the fake Britain Elects poll yesterday or why they did it (apart from winding up some posters on here)?
"There was no poll released today by @OpiniumResearch or tweeted by us. Figures you may be seeing come from a fake account attempting to impersonate us and put out false data."0 -
And? The LD's are no more interested in courting leavers than the Tory's are in courting remainers.HYUFD said:
And Leavers will not forget the Liberal Democrats refusing to respect their voteEl_Capitano said:And here we see the upcoming attack line on a thousand Lib Dem leaflets:
https://twitter.com/joswinson/status/11822076923136491520 -
Without a general election or EUref2 there will be no extension, France would veto it as they made clear yesterday, so Boris delivers Brexit on 31st Octoberalgarkirk said:Excellent analysis from Mr Meeks. Thank you. One comment though: It is in no-one's interest to carry on with government and parliament in its present stasis. But it is in no faction's interest to have a GE unless that faction can actually win it. Factions and parties of course coincide less than usual which complicates things. The current minority government has no power to call an election under the FTPA, and not even the power (almost certainly) to change the law to call an election. They haven't got the numbers. There is no faction or party that looks as if it can win a majority, and the nearest possibility is the Conservative/Leave party/faction - the very people who have no power to call one. So why should anyone lift a finger to enable to GE in the foreseeable future when there is no reason to think they can win, and every reason to think that the present government/party/faction will run into trouble.
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N.B. No-one has suggested banning the dining car on the Caledonian Sleeper. Classic PB.kle4 said:
But you have the possibility of doing otherwise, which actually makes it easier to bear.OblitusSumMe said:
Going without food for 13 hours overnight is not much of a stretch. Finish dinner at 7pm, have breakfast at 8am.TGOHF2 said:
Welcome aboard tonight’s Caledonian sleeper from Euston to Fort William - we will be searching all rucksacks for contraband IPA and your next meal will be a bacon butty in 13hrs time.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Flashman (deceased), that doesn't necessarily mean she's wrong about disruption.
[I believe she's also the damned fool who decided drinking guidelines should be the same for men and women, despite men being able to take more alcohol. Still, at least women will be able to enjoy the sexual equality of increased liver failure...]
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However, she hasn't suggested that has she?TGOHF2 said:
Suspect it will simply act as a barrier to people ditching the car for the train if you can’t have a sandwich and a can of beer.Foxy said:
A buffet car on journeys of more than a couple of hours is reasonable. It is the constant snacking on buses and tube that she dislikes.OnlyLivingBoy said:
To be fair I don't normally eat anything in the 13 hours or so between dinner and breakfast, so the Caledonian Sleeper is probably the one long train journey where I would happily go without food (and indeed often do, although my regular journey is less than 9 hours).TGOHF2 said:
Welcome aboard tonight’s Caledonian sleeper from Euston to Fort William - we will be searching all rucksacks for contraband IPA and your next meal will be a bacon butty in 13hrs time.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Flashman (deceased), that doesn't necessarily mean she's wrong about disruption.
[I believe she's also the damned fool who decided drinking guidelines should be the same for men and women, despite men being able to take more alcohol. Still, at least women will be able to enjoy the sexual equality of increased liver failure...]
Junk food culture is killing the young. Watching TV street shots of the Seventies and Eighties shows how obese we have become over just a few decades.0 -
I did wonder about the Isle of Man, in all seriousness.MarqueeMark said:
Why Liverpool? Does Boris think the Bootle be on the other foot?GIN1138 said:What time asre we expecting Boris and Leo to have their Mexican Standof on the banks of the Mersey?
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Lib Dems are easily bought off, couple of ministerial cars and some gee gaws and they will sell their soulsMysticrose said:And, to run counter to what most people think, Corbyn will out-perform in a General Election campaign. Like he did last time. He's really quite good on the hustings, whipping up fervour about things he's actually interested in. I doubt he'd win a majority but I'm fairly confident he will prevent a Con-DUP majority, ably assisted by the SNP, LibDems and BXP.
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MarqueeMark said:
Voting in a dark, snowy December general election will have the helpful tag-lineHYUFD said:Except France has now made clear it will not allow an extension without a general election.
So either the Commons votes for a general election in late November or early December and France and the EU agree an extension or it does not and assuming the EU rejects the Boris plan we go to No Deal on 31st October.
The only other possibility is the Commons votes for EUref2 to get the extension but only 280 MPs voted for extension in the indicative votes
"This election was brought to you by demand of the French. Show them your gratitude...."
Yeah, it really won't, except in your wildest wet dreams.0 -
30% of 2015 LD voters voted Leave, as did some LD seats like North Norfolk where Norman Lamb is retiring and which the Tories could gainMorris_Dancer said:Mr. HYUFD, Leavers not backing the Lib Dems does sound a bit like Muslims boycotting pork butchers.
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Strike out "teenagers". I've seen many a young adult and middle-aged person discard their rubbish casually. Old people, less so.Anabobazina said:
Unusually, I'm half with you. However, to clarify she suggested banning food and drink (other than water) on urban public transport, rather than long distance trains.TGOHF2 said:
Is that the dumb quack that wants to ban eating and drinking on trains ?Scott_P said:
She seems to be an expert in puritanical nannying.
I would support that from an antisocial behaviour point of view – snacking on tubes and buses is gross and teenagers just litter the places up with food wrappers, so I'd support a ban for those reasons (just as I supported Boris' ban on booze on London transport which has worked well)0 -
Morning all.
Were I French I would simply say that since the last extension was wasted, another one would only be granted on the basis that there is a referendum to decide between leaving on the basis of the WA or Remaining.
I would have zero appetite for trying to negotiate some other deal either with a majority Johnson government or some other unknown government with all the uncertainties involved.
Take it or leave it.
Parliament seems incapable of making its mind up so let the people decide. A GE risks being, from the EU's perspective, a self-indulgent distraction which may do nothing to resolve matters. Much like the last one.1 -
Hmmm referendum talk is it? A few points. Getting hold of the order paper may not be as straightforward - there is no no deal emergency if the extension request has gone in.
It would require multiple days control, it's not a simple bill like Benn.
The Tories would be pushing for a GE and cancel referendum, Brexit position.
It will absolutely guarantee very few leavers vote for any of the party's party to it
The government could resign before its law forcing an election.
Nobody seriously believes May's deal vs remain is anything more than a blatant attempt to revoke and cancel Brexit
It requires the EU to extend beyond their next budget probably0 -
Imagine if it was like the tree-way standoff in The Good, The Bad and The Ugly. Boris with his cigarillo, Varadker with his pocket watch, and Junker with his (er. not sure. Bottle?). Or maybe I have them in the wrong order.GIN1138 said:What time asre we expecting Boris and Leo to have their Mexican Standof on the banks of the Mersey?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PgAKzmWmuk0 -
A Donkey braysSandpit said:
His former deputy at the Treasury disagrees. Thankfully, her job is now getting international trade deals done, fantastic to see such an optimist in that position.williamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1182199962991509505
https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/11818212207041986560 -
2015?!? When they polled under 8%!! That's not really the gotcha you think it is.HYUFD said:
30% of 2015 LD voters voted Leave, as did some LD seats like North Norfolk where Norman Lamb is retiring and which the Tories could gainMorris_Dancer said:Mr. HYUFD, Leavers not backing the Lib Dems does sound a bit like Muslims boycotting pork butchers.
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“Parliament seems incapable of making its mind up so let the people decide”Cyclefree said:Morning all.
Were I French I would simply say that since the last extension was wasted, another one would only be granted on the basis that there is a referendum to decide between leaving on the basis of the WA or Remaining.
I would have zero appetite for trying to negotiate some other deal either with a majority Johnson government or some other unknown government with all the uncertainties involved.
Take it or leave it.
Parliament seems incapable of making its mind up so let the people decide. A GE risks being, from the EU's perspective, a self-indulgent distraction which may do nothing to resolve matters. Much like the last one.
They did decide.0 -
I don't disagree but Trump remember was elected on an 'America First' agenda.rottenborough said:Leader-in-waiting tweets:
https://twitter.com/PennyMordaunt/status/1182207332371107840
From his perspective now IS have been defeated there is no need to keep risking US servicemens lives defending Kurdish territory from Turkish strikes even if morally the US might still have an obligation to the Kurds.
Plus where are the British and French forces defending the Kurds?0 -
Miss Cyclefree, I might well be inclined to that view, under those circumstances, as well.0
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Fair point.Noo said:
Strike out "teenagers". I've seen many a young adult and middle-aged person discard their rubbish casually. Old people, less so.Anabobazina said:
Unusually, I'm half with you. However, to clarify she suggested banning food and drink (other than water) on urban public transport, rather than long distance trains.TGOHF2 said:
Is that the dumb quack that wants to ban eating and drinking on trains ?Scott_P said:
She seems to be an expert in puritanical nannying.
I would support that from an antisocial behaviour point of view – snacking on tubes and buses is gross and teenagers just litter the places up with food wrappers, so I'd support a ban for those reasons (just as I supported Boris' ban on booze on London transport which has worked well)0 -
Not the telegraph article can you provide a link to the French government statement saying this please.HYUFD said:Except France has now made clear it will not allow an extension without a general election.
So either the Commons votes for a general election in late November or early December and France and the EU agree an extension or it does not and assuming the EU rejects the Boris plan we go to No Deal on 31st October.
The only other possibility is the Commons votes for EUref2 to get the extension but only 280 MPs voted for extension in the indicative votes0 -
The shiny new Lib Dem’s stood on a platform of respecting the vote last time, only to vote it down every time.HYUFD said:
And Leavers will not forget the Liberal Democrats refusing to respect their voteEl_Capitano said:And here we see the upcoming attack line on a thousand Lib Dem leaflets:
https://twitter.com/joswinson/status/11822076923136491520 -
Yes. They decided "We will go for that vague outline of a proposal". What a pity nobody knows what it means...isam said:
“Parliament seems incapable of making its mind up so let the people decide”Cyclefree said:Morning all.
Were I French I would simply say that since the last extension was wasted, another one would only be granted on the basis that there is a referendum to decide between leaving on the basis of the WA or Remaining.
I would have zero appetite for trying to negotiate some other deal either with a majority Johnson government or some other unknown government with all the uncertainties involved.
Take it or leave it.
Parliament seems incapable of making its mind up so let the people decide. A GE risks being, from the EU's perspective, a self-indulgent distraction which may do nothing to resolve matters. Much like the last one.
They did decide.0 -
The compulsion of Brexiteers to have their cake and eat it goes deep.Noo said:
I thought the British people were crying out for an election? Now you're saying they'll be looking to blame someone for having one? Confusing.MarqueeMark said:
Voting in a dark, snowy December general election will have the helpful tag-lineHYUFD said:Except France has now made clear it will not allow an extension without a general election.
So either the Commons votes for a general election in late November or early December and France and the EU agree an extension or it does not and assuming the EU rejects the Boris plan we go to No Deal on 31st October.
The only other possibility is the Commons votes for EUref2 to get the extension but only 280 MPs voted for extension in the indicative votes
"This election was brought to you by demand of the French. Show them your gratitude...."0 -
@HYUFD the Lib Dems are appealing to Remainers and those who feel they were lied to by the Cummings disinformation campaign. They don’t care about your frothers.0
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There is no caveat emptor in politics. If we don't like the the rubbish we've been sold by the campaigners, we've every right to dump that vision and choose a different one.isam said:
“Parliament seems incapable of making its mind up so let the people decide”Cyclefree said:Morning all.
Were I French I would simply say that since the last extension was wasted, another one would only be granted on the basis that there is a referendum to decide between leaving on the basis of the WA or Remaining.
I would have zero appetite for trying to negotiate some other deal either with a majority Johnson government or some other unknown government with all the uncertainties involved.
Take it or leave it.
Parliament seems incapable of making its mind up so let the people decide. A GE risks being, from the EU's perspective, a self-indulgent distraction which may do nothing to resolve matters. Much like the last one.
They did decide.
The British people now want to remain in the EU. They regret their decision and they want to change it before it's too late.0 -
Still over 2% of the vote, handy for the Tories to pick them up in a close electionAnorak said:
2015?!? When they polled under 8%!! That's not really the gotcha you think it is.HYUFD said:
30% of 2015 LD voters voted Leave, as did some LD seats like North Norfolk where Norman Lamb is retiring and which the Tories could gainMorris_Dancer said:Mr. HYUFD, Leavers not backing the Lib Dems does sound a bit like Muslims boycotting pork butchers.
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Our PM and the EU agreed on a suitable interpretation of what it meant. Do you really think people would be taking to the streets in anger had MPs, elected on a ticket to respect the result, had voted that through?Beibheirli_C said:
Yes. They decided "We will go for that vague outline of a proposal". What a pity nobody knows what it means...isam said:
“Parliament seems incapable of making its mind up so let the people decide”Cyclefree said:Morning all.
Were I French I would simply say that since the last extension was wasted, another one would only be granted on the basis that there is a referendum to decide between leaving on the basis of the WA or Remaining.
I would have zero appetite for trying to negotiate some other deal either with a majority Johnson government or some other unknown government with all the uncertainties involved.
Take it or leave it.
Parliament seems incapable of making its mind up so let the people decide. A GE risks being, from the EU's perspective, a self-indulgent distraction which may do nothing to resolve matters. Much like the last one.
They did decide.0 -
The 1918 election says Hello, MarkMarqueeMark said:
Voting in a dark, snowy December general election will have the helpful tag-lineHYUFD said:Except France has now made clear it will not allow an extension without a general election.
So either the Commons votes for a general election in late November or early December and France and the EU agree an extension or it does not and assuming the EU rejects the Boris plan we go to No Deal on 31st October.
The only other possibility is the Commons votes for EUref2 to get the extension but only 280 MPs voted for extension in the indicative votes
"This election was brought to you by demand of the French. Show them your gratitude...."
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More Remainers are now voting LD than Labour as the LDs have moved to back Revoke unlike LabourNoo said:
Labour was the beneficiary of Remainer votes? So that means they are right to blocking Brexit. You know, if it's what their voters wanted...HYUFD said:
Last time Corbyn got masses of Remainer tactical.votes, this time he won't and they will go LD.Mysticrose said:And, to run counter to what most people think, Corbyn will out-perform in a General Election campaign. Like he did last time. He's really quite good on the hustings, whipping up fervour about things he's actually interested in. I doubt he'd win a majority but I'm fairly confident he will prevent a Con-DUP majority, ably assisted by the SNP, LibDems and BXP.
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It’s a stupid questionScott_P said:
I can’t guarantee the sun will rise tomorrow morning. It probably will but I can’t guarantee it. If it doesn’t there may be deaths. Peoples lives are at risk.0 -
Remain MPs don’t want to leave, that’s all we know.Noo said:
There is no caveat emptor in politics. If we don't like the the rubbish we've been sold by the campaigners, we've every right to dump that vision and choose a different one.isam said:
“Parliament seems incapable of making its mind up so let the people decide”Cyclefree said:Morning all.
Were I French I would simply say that since the last extension was wasted, another one would only be granted on the basis that there is a referendum to decide between leaving on the basis of the WA or Remaining.
I would have zero appetite for trying to negotiate some other deal either with a majority Johnson government or some other unknown government with all the uncertainties involved.
Take it or leave it.
Parliament seems incapable of making its mind up so let the people decide. A GE risks being, from the EU's perspective, a self-indulgent distraction which may do nothing to resolve matters. Much like the last one.
They did decide.
The British people now want to remain in the EU. They regret their decision and they want to change it before it's too late.0 -
Exactlyisam said:
The shiny new Lib Dem’s stood on a platform of respecting the vote last time, only to vote it down every time.HYUFD said:
And Leavers will not forget the Liberal Democrats refusing to respect their voteEl_Capitano said:And here we see the upcoming attack line on a thousand Lib Dem leaflets:
https://twitter.com/joswinson/status/11822076923136491520 -
Liverpool Scotland voted Irish Nationalist for many years from 1885 to 1929!nichomar said:
They actually said on sky that they were meeting on neutral ground has Liverpool declared UDI?MarqueeMark said:
Why Liverpool? Does Boris think the Bootle be on the other foot?GIN1138 said:What time asre we expecting Boris and Leo to have their Mexican Standof on the banks of the Mersey?
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Of course they don’t. The clue is in the name.isam said:
Remain MPs don’t want to leave, that’s all we know.Noo said:
There is no caveat emptor in politics. If we don't like the the rubbish we've been sold by the campaigners, we've every right to dump that vision and choose a different one.isam said:
“Parliament seems incapable of making its mind up so let the people decide”Cyclefree said:Morning all.
Were I French I would simply say that since the last extension was wasted, another one would only be granted on the basis that there is a referendum to decide between leaving on the basis of the WA or Remaining.
I would have zero appetite for trying to negotiate some other deal either with a majority Johnson government or some other unknown government with all the uncertainties involved.
Take it or leave it.
Parliament seems incapable of making its mind up so let the people decide. A GE risks being, from the EU's perspective, a self-indulgent distraction which may do nothing to resolve matters. Much like the last one.
They did decide.
The British people now want to remain in the EU. They regret their decision and they want to change it before it's too late.0 -
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Why are so anti-Kurdish and pro-Putin?HYUFD said:
I don't disagree but Trump remember was elected on an 'America First' agenda.rottenborough said:Leader-in-waiting tweets:
https://twitter.com/PennyMordaunt/status/1182207332371107840
From his perspective now IS have been defeated there is no need to keep risking US servicemens lives defending Kurdish territory from Turkish strikes even if morally the US might still have an obligation to the Kurds.
Plus where are the British and French forces defending the Kurds?0 -
And yet the tangerine moron was citing the Kurds' non-presence at the Normandy landings as some kind of justifcation, an event that was the very antithesis of America First.HYUFD said:
I don't disagree but Trump remember was elected on an 'America First' agenda.rottenborough said:Leader-in-waiting tweets:
https://twitter.com/PennyMordaunt/status/1182207332371107840
From his perspective now IS have been defeated there is no need to keep risking US servicemens lives defending Kurdish territory from Turkish strikes even if morally the US might still have an obligation to the Kurds.
Plus where are the British and French forces defending the Kurds?
The chances of Trump having a rational, thought out position on this are between zero and fuck all, though I guess that reflects the world view of his base pretty well.0 -
Do you not respect peoples' right to change their minds?HYUFD said:
Exactlyisam said:
The shiny new Lib Dem’s stood on a platform of respecting the vote last time, only to vote it down every time.HYUFD said:
And Leavers will not forget the Liberal Democrats refusing to respect their voteEl_Capitano said:And here we see the upcoming attack line on a thousand Lib Dem leaflets:
https://twitter.com/joswinson/status/1182207692313649152
Enough of them are doing it...
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The PM and the EU agreed, but for many it was the wrong kind of Leave.isam said:Our PM and the EU agreed on a suitable interpretation of what it meant. Do you really think people would be taking to the streets in anger had MPs, elected on a ticket to respect the result, had voted that through?
If the referendum had been (say) Remain or Leave to EEA then the instruction to Parliament would have been clear and the govts job would have been to make that transition as painless as possible.
But that is not where we are.0 -
To let parliament make its mind up so as that has not been possible, plus we are all more informed than we were in 2016, we need to ask you a refined question.isam said:
“Parliament seems incapable of making its mind up so let the people decide”Cyclefree said:Morning all.
Were I French I would simply say that since the last extension was wasted, another one would only be granted on the basis that there is a referendum to decide between leaving on the basis of the WA or Remaining.
I would have zero appetite for trying to negotiate some other deal either with a majority Johnson government or some other unknown government with all the uncertainties involved.
Take it or leave it.
Parliament seems incapable of making its mind up so let the people decide. A GE risks being, from the EU's perspective, a self-indulgent distraction which may do nothing to resolve matters. Much like the last one.
They did decide.
Not a democratic outrage.
Decision theory is your friend here.0 -
1. I can't see either a December or January election anymore. This isn't 1910. People start thinking about Christmas in September (certainly the shops do) and by December everyone is in Christmas mood now. No one, but no one, will want an election or a campaign during Christmas. So both December and January are out.
2. Likewise February is unlikely unless its end of February.
3. So I think its either November (28th?) or March 2020.
4. I don't think the average Conservative or Labour MP really wants an election. There are too many banana skins on route to be reasonably sure of keeping your job. For the CONS, all the need is a poor campaign, Brexit party hammering at them day and night and suddenly they finish on 25% and lose 150 seats. For Labour, all they need is for the Lib Dems to hammer them as the party of REMAIN, and Corbyn can't work his magic a second time, and they finish on 25%, and lose 100 seats.
Hell, BOTH could happen. How long ago were those polls with four parties all in the low 20s? Could happen.
5. Never underestimate the average MP wanting to keep their job more than anything. Look at O'Mara. How many times has he 'resigned' now?
6. Never underestimate the love of can kicking. The EU isn't the only organisation that loves to kick the can. If the EU gives us a June 2020 extension, I'm quite sure Parliament won't think about it until next March. If they give us till December 2020, Parliament will forget all about it till this time next year.
Having said all that, the problem at the moment is that we have a Government that are so far in 'the red' in terms of majority they can't do anything. Can we really limp on for six months (or more) with nothing happening (YES! I have a friend who insists the less government does, the better!)?0 -
The remain solution to 'nobody knew what they were voting for' seems to be to offer a vote between a discredited deal that has been rejected 3 times and leaves us locked in a backstop indefinitely or what they want. Genius.
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