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  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746

    Perhaps it was European law then - territorial claims against fellow members upsetting the brotherhood of nations blah and blah.

    I really don't know but I do vaguely recall it was a point of contention and it was changed.
    It was changed as a result of the GFA and the referendum that followed. Spain still claims Gibraltar to this day as you know.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,342
    edited October 2019

    Are Leavers having a comedown tonight after the narcotic thrills earlier of the sketch of a phantasm of a deal?

    How dare anyone get excited at the prospect of the vote they won 39 months ago being implemented?! Slap em down Al! 😊
  • Are Leavers having a comedown tonight after the narcotic thrills earlier of the sketch of a phantasm of a deal?

    Any thoughts on the pension ruling ?
  • ZephyrZephyr Posts: 438
    HYUFD said:

    Wrong, SNP down to just 35% with YouGov this week despite Brexit while in NI Boris' plan avoids a hard border
    Just for sake of balance, I would like to tell the world the consensus on Pb.com is there are also other reputable polling companies that can quoted from time to time on here.

    Has there been any “like/or not” on “The Boris Deal” yet?

    PS that impeach trump figure looks quite high for this stage of the game. It’s nothing but muffled transcript and hearsay at the moment. Bits of solid evidence will be like gasoline on a flame.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746
    HYUFD said:

    When 79% of Democrats support impeaching the President and only 12% of Republicans support impeaching the President they largely are the same thing
    Not everyone in the US is registered to one of the big political parties. Roughly a third of the electorate are independents. So no, it is not the same thing at all.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Any thoughts on the pension ruling ?
    Clearly correct. My views remain unchanged from last year:

    http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2018/10/28/the-persistence-of-lack-of-memory-how-the-state-retirement-age-was-changed-and-communicated/
  • DougSeal said:

    It was changed as a result of the GFA and the referendum that followed. Spain still claims Gibraltar to this day as you know.
    Doesn't Spain get 'first refusal' on Gibraltar under the Treaty of Utecht ?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746

    Doesn't Spain get 'first refusal' on Gibraltar under the Treaty of Utecht ?
    Yes but they want it now.
  • NooNoo Posts: 2,380
    DougSeal said:

    Not everyone in the US is registered to one of the big political parties. Roughly a third of the electorate are independents. So no, it is not the same thing at all.
    Plus, nobody expects those figure to remain stable once impeachment proceedings are happening. There will be competing "it's worse than we thought" / "it's a nothing burger" narratives, and one or the other will have more gravity.
  • Because talking bullsh*t is not the same as actually knowing stuff?

    Is there a course at Eton and other "public" schools called "How to talk complete cr*p about anything"? They all seem to be very skilled at it.
    Its called PPE but its taught at Oxford not Eton.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,095
    DougSeal said:

    Not everyone in the US is registered to one of the big political parties. Roughly a third of the electorate are independents. So no, it is not the same thing at all.
    And 42% of Independents support impeachment, about midway between the GOP and Democrats support for it, so yes it is the same thing
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
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  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,884
    Danny565 said:

    Honestly, I do feel that if we'd left the EU in March, but stayed in the Single Market and Customs Union, almost the entire country would be satisfied enough now. I think most Leave voters are really past the point of caring about specific, tangible things they want out of Brexit; they just don't want to feel politicians are slapping them in the face by rejecting the referendum result outright (or having to admit to themselves that they made the wrong choice back in 2016).

    Unfortunately, most politicians are too self-interested to go with the obvious compromise.
    I'm afraid that's because the Leave position is bankrupt. There are no specific, tangible things to get out of Brexit. There never were any. All they have is a democratic vote which they want to make sure never gets overturned in an equally democratic second vote. And they have a threat of violence if they don't get their way. That's it. In short, Brexit was a mistake and, putting it bluntly, Leavers did make the wrong choice. At some point we have to face up to it.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746

    Its called PPE but its taught at Oxford not Eton.
    The common factor isn’t PPE (May did Geography and BJ Classics) but membership of the Oxford Union where you can home your debating skills without the results having any effect on the outside world whatsoever, you can plot and backstab to your hearts content without any real world repercussions. Then they get unleashed on the rest of us and it all goes to pieces.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,131

    Dead Fred

  • Clearly correct. My views remain unchanged from last year:

    http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2018/10/28/the-persistence-of-lack-of-memory-how-the-state-retirement-age-was-changed-and-communicated/
    I've heard that over 200+ MPs support the claim.

    To me its quite shocking that they're willing to support a vast wealth transfer from the young just to get a few votes.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,095
    edited October 2019
    DougSeal said:

    The common factor isn’t PPE (May did Geography and BJ Classics) but membership of the Oxford Union where you can home your debating skills without the results having any effect on the outside world whatsoever, you can plot and backstab to your hearts content without any real world repercussions. Then they get unleashed on the rest of us and it all goes to pieces.
    Boris is the first Oxford Union President who became PM since Ted Heath (though Philip May was too), Blair and Cameron were not even Oxford Union members despite attending the university
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    I've heard that over 200+ MPs support the claim.

    To me its quite shocking that they're willing to support a vast wealth transfer from the young just to get a few votes.
    Ben Gummer took a principled stand on the subject at the last election. He was voted out. MPs respond to stimuli.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    edited October 2019
    rcs1000 said:

    On the subject of ignored referendum, eleven months ago the people of California voted overwhelmingly to get rid of winter time.

    And what's happened next?

    Bugger all. Washington is refusing to let it happen.

    Why is abolishing PST so offensive to Washington?
  • matthiasfromhamburgmatthiasfromhamburg Posts: 957
    edited October 2019

    I guess the only consolation at a time of yet more national humiliation is that he did not say what he might have said had he been on what he was on last week in Parliament.

    Not quite sure about that. An acquaintance of my daughter attended the event and told her verbatim "he looked and sounded coked out".
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