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Can I choose both options?Benpointer said:
I think you may be underestimating this government.SouthamObserver said:It’s clear now the government is either monumentally stupid or has never been serious about getting a deal. Both are live possibilities. I incline to the second, just because no government could be that stupid. Could it?
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Well, no, I wouldn't want to give him your gig.Chris said:
Yes, Scott P. Stop posting all these different things.Luckyguy1983 said:ScottP has posted no fewer than 6 copy pastes from Twitter in this page of posts alone, with no attempt at commentary, elucidation, or engaging in discussion with other posters. Could you calm down please? PB isn't a retweet.
Please just post the same thing over and over again, in the approved manner.0 -
This is news?AndyJS said:ITV News: there won't be a no confidence vote this week.
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So - Boris Johnson has been claiming that we need the threat of leaving without a deal, so that we can force the EU to make concessions (because they are terrified of No Deal, while he's not particularly bothered).Scott_P said:
And now that he's legally obliged to ask the EU for an extension, he's asking the EU to rule out giving an extension - so we can go back to threatening them with No Deal, which they are terrified of [etc].
Is there any version of reality in which any of this makes any sense whatsoever?2 -
Errr I'm fairly sure that he's hoping the Aussies will rubbish their own intelligence services, and that the public will ignore that there were already US developed grounds for starting an investigation. YMMV.dyedwoolie said:Trump asking the aussies to help is unsurprising, hes clearly going after the Obama DoJ hard.
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LOL, so they voted down a recess last week for the Tory conference, but now can’t be bothered to make a nuisance of themselves when it’s on. Surely the whole point was to engineer the spectacle of half the cabinet having to use trains, planes and automobiles to rush back to London in the middle of their own conference?AndyJS said:ITV News: there won't be a no confidence vote this week.
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If that headline is correct then we are fucked. This technique of bypassing the EU has been tried by Trump, Cameron, Davis, May and some others who I forget and it has failed every time. It's such a dumb move it can't be sincere. So either we are really desperate or this is deliberate "failing and blaming". Either way, No Deal.williamglenn said:1 -
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He is the one genuinely funny cartoonist in the media, most others are utter dross . . .Sandpit said:
£600k, plus eight weeks off, and he got a country house as a bonus one year.FrancisUrquhart said:
The publisher has told the editor that Matt leaving would be considered a resigning matter for said editor, and he has standing written offers from both the Mail and the Sun.
He’s the highest paid employee at the Telegraph group, earns more than the editor.
Nice work if you can get it!
But how many people actually pay for the Telegraph because of Matt? The cartoon can be seen online every day.0 -
I die, I die! Transfixed by your rapier wit ....Luckyguy1983 said:
Well, no, I wouldn't want to give him your gig.Chris said:
Yes, Scott P. Stop posting all these different things.Luckyguy1983 said:ScottP has posted no fewer than 6 copy pastes from Twitter in this page of posts alone, with no attempt at commentary, elucidation, or engaging in discussion with other posters. Could you calm down please? PB isn't a retweet.
Please just post the same thing over and over again, in the approved manner.0 -
The old insurance bet. Not a bad plan in the circumstances.viewcode said:
Stuart, I'm going to be away from home for a few days and so cannot deal currency. In case the SHTF and I break out the canned food and shotguns, what are the best prices for No Deal in High Street bookmakers? (As opposed to fancy-dan online accounts). I think from the headlines that Johnson really is going to fuck it up and we really are going to have No Deal, so a bet might actually be a good idea.StuartDickson said:Shortage of No Deal backers:
Best prices - No Deal Brexit
No (WA ratified, A50 extended or A50 revoked) 1/5
Yes (UK leaves EU in 2019 without WA) 4/1
The only high street bookie quoting is PP (7/2), but that is their online price. Reality on the ground might be different.
Let us know what you manage to find.
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Remainers don’t like new deal ideas shock.
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This is starting to sound like the plot of a novel by Flann O'Brien.Scott_P said:0 -
Now you mention it "...the government is either monumentally stupid and has never been serious about getting a deal" has the ring of truth about it.eek said:
Can I choose both options?Benpointer said:
I think you may be underestimating this government.SouthamObserver said:It’s clear now the government is either monumentally stupid or has never been serious about getting a deal. Both are live possibilities. I incline to the second, just because no government could be that stupid. Could it?
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Omg that’s so funny . What’s he going to say , surrender act over and over again . And why on earth would you need anyone to testify . Is this his puppet masters idea ! This surely must rank even by recent standards as even too deranged for the current no 10 operation.Scott_P said:He really is a fucking idiot
https://twitter.com/ProfChalmers/status/1178782453328162817
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You're now supporting a BINO deal then?TGOHF2 said:Remainers don’t like new deal ideas shock.
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😄Chris said:
Yes, Scott P. Stop posting all these different things.Luckyguy1983 said:ScottP has posted no fewer than 6 copy pastes from Twitter in this page of posts alone, with no attempt at commentary, elucidation, or engaging in discussion with other posters. Could you calm down please? PB isn't a retweet.
Please just post the same thing over and over again, in the approved manner.0 -
Being senile helps. Tory core vote.Chris said:
So - Boris Johnson has been claiming that we need the threat of leaving without a deal, so that we can force the EU to make concessions (because they are terrified of No Deal, while he's not particularly bothered).Scott_P said:
And now that he's legally obliged to ask the EU for an extension, he's asking the EU to rule out giving an extension - so we can go back to threatening them with No Deal, which they are terrified of [etc].
Is there any version of reality in which any of this makes any sense whatsoever?0 -
It was the moment when the rightful king as appointed by God was overthrown after much bloodshed by a Dutch usurper underwritten by traitorously nobility, who then rewrote history to say that it was all ice cream and jelly tots.JBriskinindyref2 said:
You still banging on about the Glorious Revolution again? It was one of the greatest moments in our history - I hope you're objecting on some kind of jacobite ground.Anabobazina said:
Not the ones who have nasty sectarian avatars then?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Glasgow voted Yes dipshit. And I'd say it's the separatists of that city that have a greater affinity to another island given the football I watch.Theuniondivvie said:
A fine way to describe your fellow Unionists. However as ever I'm happy to reduce your ignorance about the country in which you live.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Glasgow is a sectarian hell-hole. It's your choice to live there. Although I admit the locals were quite friendly for the couple of pints I've had there (Blur concert)Theuniondivvie said:
It's the Unionists that march (sometimes several times) every week round my bit, and they seem to have a deep, unnatural attachment to a part of another island.JBriskinindyref2 said:
It's the same F-ing Island as someone once famously (to me at least) stated on PB.spudgfsh said:
There's a growing sense of English identity in a fashion which Scotland and Wales have always had. There is very little left that actually fosters a British identity anymore. Probably only the olympics?Byronic said:
Not in England. You over-estimate the desire in England to stay linked to the Scots, after the first indyref, and Brexit. A large minority, maybe a majority of English people would quite happily say goodbye to Scotland and Edinburgh's perceived drag on the English treasury.JBriskinindyref2 said:There'd be a shortage of champers in the UK after a 60/40 vote.
I am not one of them. I am a convinced English unionist and a happy Briton, I don't want Scotland to go, but I can see the polls on English perceptions, and I can sense the mood around me.
We don't need to go on marches every week like the Yessers.
(Incidentally I noted your statement earlier about missing the vote. If you are now in stable accommodation you can get a postal vote, which takes the edge right off and makes things a shit-ton easier)0 -
https://twitter.com/ProfChalmers/status/1178782821109948416nico67 said:Omg that’s so funny . What’s he going to say , surrender act over and over again . And why on earth would you need anyone to testify . Is this his puppet masters idea ! This surely must rank even by recent standards as even too deranged for the current no 10 operation.
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I know. And I was so sure they were going to carefully weigh up the merits of said plan before passing judgement.TGOHF2 said:Remainers don’t like new deal ideas shock.
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You mean like the ERG did with May's deal?Luckyguy1983 said:
I know. And I was so sure they were going to carefully weigh up the merits of said plan before passing judgement.TGOHF2 said:Remainers don’t like new deal ideas shock.
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The EU aren’t stupid . They know there’s a bunch of ERG nutjobs that would love to leave with no deal so ruling out an extension gives them a free pass.2
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Anything less than war on Belgium is a sell out or something.Benpointer said:
You're now supporting a BINO deal then?TGOHF2 said:Remainers don’t like new deal ideas shock.
This is surprising.
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Can you imagine the response if the EU told us to do this?Scott_P said:BoZo's buddy Trump...
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We assess them not on a like-dislike scale, but a despair-mirth gradient.TGOHF2 said:Remainers don’t like new deal ideas shock.
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The online archive of all the cartoons is probably worth something to the paper, but at this point they’re basically paying him not to leave, to see out his career with the paper.Philip_Thompson said:
He is the one genuinely funny cartoonist in the media, most others are utter dross . . .Sandpit said:
£600k, plus eight weeks off, and he got a country house as a bonus one year.FrancisUrquhart said:
The publisher has told the editor that Matt leaving would be considered a resigning matter for said editor, and he has standing written offers from both the Mail and the Sun.
He’s the highest paid employee at the Telegraph group, earns more than the editor.
Nice work if you can get it!
But how many people actually pay for the Telegraph because of Matt? The cartoon can be seen online every day.
I love his simple style and witty captions, it’s the sort of thing that should be easy to replicate but isn’t, because he’s an absolute genius at taking two big stories from the day and finding a way to combine them in an amusing manner.0 -
Nope. I’m objecting on the basis that that image is sectarian iconography, as you know full well, as does the owner of the avatar.JBriskinindyref2 said:
You still banging on about the Glorious Revolution again? It was one of the greatest moments in our history - I hope you're objecting on some kind of jacobite ground.Anabobazina said:
Not the ones who have nasty sectarian avatars then?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Glasgow voted Yes dipshit. And I'd say it's the separatists of that city that have a greater affinity to another island given the football I watch.Theuniondivvie said:
A fine way to describe your fellow Unionists. However as ever I'm happy to reduce your ignorance about the country in which you live.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Glasgow is a sectarian hell-hole. It's your choice to live there. Although I admit the locals were quite friendly for the couple of pints I've had there (Blur concert)Theuniondivvie said:
It's the Unionists that march (sometimes several times) every week round my bit, and they seem to have a deep, unnatural attachment to a part of another island.JBriskinindyref2 said:
It's the same F-ing Island as someone once famously (to me at least) stated on PB.spudgfsh said:
There's a growing sense of English identity in a fashion which Scotland and Wales have always had. There is very little left that actually fosters a British identity anymore. Probably only the olympics?Byronic said:
Not in England. You over-estimate the desire in England to stay linked to the Scots, after the first indyref, and Brexit. A large minority, maybe a majority of English people would quite happily say goodbye to Scotland and Edinburgh's perceived drag on the English treasury.JBriskinindyref2 said:There'd better a shortage of champers in the UK after a 60/40 vote.
I am not one of them. I am a convinced English unionist and a happy Briton, I don't want Scotland to go, but I can see the polls on English perceptions, and I can sense the mood around me.
We don't need to go on marches every week like the Yessers.0 -
Let's wait for the DUP response.Luckyguy1983 said:I know. And I was so sure they were going to carefully weigh up the merits of said plan before passing judgement.
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Thanks for the postal voting tip - I was aware of this option though.viewcode said:
It was the moment when the rightful king as appointed by God was overthrown after much bloodshed by a Dutch usurper underwritten by traitorously nobility, who then rewrote history to say that it was all ice cream and jelly tots.JBriskinindyref2 said:
You still banging on about the Glorious Revolution again? It was one of the greatest moments in our history - I hope you're objecting on some kind of jacobite ground.Anabobazina said:
Not the ones who have nasty sectarian avatars then?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Glasgow voted Yes dipshit. And I'd say it's the separatists of that city that have a greater affinity to another island given the football I watch.Theuniondivvie said:
SNIPu live.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Glasgow is a sectarian hell-hole. It's your choice to live there. Although I admit the locals were quite friendly for the couple of pints I've had there (Blur concert)Theuniondivvie said:
It's the Unionists that march (sometimes several times) every week round my bit, and they seem to have a deep, unnatural attachment to a part of another island.JBriskinindyref2 said:
It's the same F-ing Island as someone once famously (to me at least) stated on PB.spudgfsh said:
There's a growing sense of English identity in a fashion which Scotland and Wales have always had. There is very little left that actually fosters a British identity anymore. Probably only the olympics?Byronic said:
Not in England. You over-estimate the desire in England to stay linked to the Scots, after the first indyref, and Brexit. A large minority, maybe a majority of English people would quite happily say goodbye to Scotland and Edinburgh's perceived drag on the English treasury.JBriskinindyref2 said:There'd be a shortage of champers in the UK after a 60/40 vote.
I am not one of them. I am a convinced English unionist and a happy Briton, I don't want Scotland to go, but I can see the polls on English perceptions, and I can sense the mood around me.
We don't need to go on marches every week like the Yessers.
(Incidentally I noted your statement earlier about missing the vote. If you are now in stable accommodation you can get a postal vote, which takes the edge right off and makes things a shit-ton easier)
I've always been pro-glorious revolution. It's one of the (if not thee) foundations of our current democracy.1 -
Quite reasonable.Scott_P said:0 -
I find them mostly informative, to be honest. More useful than lengthy discussions on which PM has the fittest wife (a live issue in the 21st century, who knew!) or hearing for the Nth time how we voted to leave and we should just leave and we would have left except for the Remoaners and the Labour Party and the EU and it's not fair and I don't like democracy anymore I am so angry etc etc etc.Luckyguy1983 said:ScottP has posted no fewer than 6 copy pastes from Twitter in this page of posts alone, with no attempt at commentary, elucidation, or engaging in discussion with other posters. Could you calm down please? PB isn't a retweet.
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True. It is one of the most remarkable rewritings of history. The Dutch landed an army and everything, ready to take the country by force. Yet we are taught at school that the last successful invasion was in 1066.viewcode said:
It was the moment when the rightful king as appointed by God was overthrown after much bloodshed by a Dutch usurper underwritten by traitorously nobility, who then rewrote history to say that it was all ice cream and jelly tots.JBriskinindyref2 said:
You still banging on about the Glorious Revolution again? It was one of the greatest moments in our history - I hope you're objecting on some kind of jacobite ground.Anabobazina said:
Not the ones who have nasty sectarian avatars then?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Glasgow voted Yes dipshit. And I'd say it's the separatists of that city that have a greater affinity to another island given the football I watch.Theuniondivvie said:
A fine way to describe your fellow Unionists. However as ever I'm happy to reduce your ignorance about the country in which you live.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Glasgow is a sectarian hell-hole. It's your choice to live there. Although I admit the locals were quite friendly for the couple of pints I've had there (Blur concert)Theuniondivvie said:
It's the Unionists that march (sometimes several times) every week round my bit, and they seem to have a deep, unnatural attachment to a part of another island.JBriskinindyref2 said:
It's the same F-ing Island as someone once famously (to me at least) stated on PB.spudgfsh said:
There's a growing sense of English identity in a fashion which Scotland and Wales have always had. There is very little left that actually fosters a British identity anymore. Probably only the olympics?Byronic said:
Not in England. You over-estimate the desire in England to stay linked to the Scots, after the firstJBriskinindyref2 said:There'd be a shortage of champers in the UK after a 60/40 vote.
I am not one of them. I am a convinced English unionist and a happy Briton, I don't want Scotland to go, but I can see the polls on English perceptions, and I can sense the mood around me.
We don't need to go on marches every week like the Yessers.
(Incidentally I noted your statement earlier about missing the vote. If you are now in stable accommodation you can get a postal vote, which takes the edge right off and makes things a shit-ton easier)1 -
Fine by Boris, he can say he put forward plans to avoid the backstop, the EU rejected them, so blame them for No Deal (though if he wins a Tory majority and can dump the DUP I suspect he will still go for a NI only backstop)Scott_P said:0 -
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Thank you.StuartDickson said:
The old insurance bet. Not a bad plan in the circumstances.viewcode said:
Stuart, I'm going to be away from home for a few days and so cannot deal currency. In case the SHTF and I break out the canned food and shotguns, what are the best prices for No Deal in High Street bookmakers? (As opposed to fancy-dan online accounts). I think from the headlines that Johnson really is going to fuck it up and we really are going to have No Deal, so a bet might actually be a good idea.StuartDickson said:Shortage of No Deal backers:
Best prices - No Deal Brexit
No (WA ratified, A50 extended or A50 revoked) 1/5
Yes (UK leaves EU in 2019 without WA) 4/1
The only high street bookie quoting is PP (7/2), but that is their online price. Reality on the ground might be different.
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Is that before or after the NI referendum you were telling us about?HYUFD said:
Fine by Boris, he can say he put forward plans to avoid the backstop, the EU rejected them, so blame them for No Deal (though if he wins a majority and can dump the DUP I suspect he will still go for a NI only backstop)Scott_P said: 0 -
https://images.app.goo.gl/jRGRFJ4R99E3yzGV6Anabobazina said:
Nope. I’m objecting on the basis that that image is sectarian iconography, as you know full well, as does the owner of the avatar.JBriskinindyref2 said:
You still banging on about the Glorious Revolution again? It was one of the greatest moments in our history - I hope you're objecting on some kind of jacobite ground.Anabobazina said:
Not the ones who have nasty sectarian avatars then?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Glasgow voted Yes dipshit. And I'd say it's the separatists of that city that have a greater affinity to another island given the football I watch.Theuniondivvie said:
A fine way to describe your fellow Unionists. However as ever I'm happy to reduce your ignorance about the country in which you live.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Glasgow is a sectarian hell-hole. It's your choice to live there. Although I admit the locals were quite friendly for the couple of pints I've had there (Blur concert)Theuniondivvie said:
It's the Unionists that march (sometimes several times) every week round my bit, and they seem to have a deep, unnatural attachment to a part of another island.JBriskinindyref2 said:
It's the same F-ing Island as someone once famously (to me at least) stated on PB.spudgfsh said:
There's a growing sense of English identity in a fashion which Scotland and Wales have always had. There is very little left that actually fosters a British identity anymore. Probably only the olympics?Byronic said:
Not in England. You over-estimate the desire in England to stay linked to the Scots, after the first indyref, and Brexit. A large minority, maybe a majority of English people would quite happily say goodbye to Scotland and Edinburgh's perceived drag on the English treasury.JBriskinindyref2 said:There'd better a shortage of champers in the UK after a 60/40 vote.
I am not one of them. I am a convinced English unionist and a happy Briton, I don't want Scotland to go, but I can see the polls on English perceptions, and I can sense the mood around me.
We don't need to go on marches every week like the Yessers.0 -
Didn't know you aspired to their behaviour.Benpointer said:
You mean like the ERG did with May's deal?Luckyguy1983 said:
I know. And I was so sure they were going to carefully weigh up the merits of said plan before passing judgement.TGOHF2 said:Remainers don’t like new deal ideas shock.
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No deal is unlawful without parliamentary approval remember.HYUFD said:
Fine by Boris, he can say he put forward plans to avoid the backstop, the EU rejected them, so blame them for No Deal (though if he wins a majority and can dump the DUP I suspect he will still go for a NI only backstop)Scott_P said:0 -
You sound like the type that would object to Cromwell as well. As the internet meme goes- Deal with itAnabobazina said:
Nope. I’m objecting on the basis that that image is sectarian iconography, as you know full well, as does the owner of the avatar.JBriskinindyref2 said:
You still banging on about the Glorious Revolution again? It was one of the greatest moments in our history - I hope you're objecting on some kind of jacobite ground.Anabobazina said:
Not the ones who have nasty sectarian avatars then?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Glasgow voted Yes dipshit. And I'd say it's the separatists of that city that have a greater affinity to another island given the football I watch.Theuniondivvie said:
A fine way to describe your fellow Unionists. However as ever I'm happy to reduce your ignorance about the country in which you live.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Glasgow is a sectarian hell-hole. It's your choice to live there. Although I admit the locals were quite friendly for the couple of pints I've had there (Blur concert)Theuniondivvie said:
It's the Unionists that march (sometimes several times) every week round my bit, and they seem to have a deep, unnatural attachment to a part of another island.JBriskinindyref2 said:
It's the same F-ing Island as someone once famously (to me at least) stated on PB.spudgfsh said:
There's a growing sense of English identity in a fashion which Scotland and Wales have always had. There is very little left that actually fosters a British identity anymore. Probably only the olympics?Byronic said:
Not in England. You over-estimate the desire in England to stay linked to the Scots, after the first indyref, and Brexit. A large minority, maybe a majority of English people would quite happily say goodbye to Scotland and Edinburgh's perceived drag on the English treasury.JBriskinindyref2 said:There'd better a shortage of champers in the UK after a 60/40 vote.
I am not one of them. I am a convinced English unionist and a happy Briton, I don't want Scotland to go, but I can see the polls on English perceptions, and I can sense the mood around me.
We don't need to go on marches every week like the Yessers.0 -
Sandpit said:
LOL, so they voted down a recess last week for the Tory conference, but now can’t be bothered to make a nuisance of themselves when it’s on. Surely the whole point was to engineer the spectacle of half the cabinet having to use trains, planes and automobiles to rush back to London in the middle of their own conference?AndyJS said:ITV News: there won't be a no confidence vote this week.
What’s the point of the Opposition?
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https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1178784281902174209Philip_Thompson said:Quite reasonable.
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Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.0 -
What are we meant to be weighing up the merits of? It's a bit difficult to keep up:Luckyguy1983 said:
I know. And I was so sure they were going to carefully weigh up the merits of said plan before passing judgement.TGOHF2 said:Remainers don’t like new deal ideas shock.
This is surprising.
(1) Johnson explaining to the Supreme Court that the Benn Act is illegal and that parliament ought to be locked up.
(2) Johnson begging the EU to rule out an extension so that he can terrify them with the prospect of No Deal.
(3) No customs checks at the Irish border. Customs checks near the Irish border. Or at the point of origin. Or maybe in mid air. Or underground.0 -
I think for people who are already subscribers/daily buyers of the paper I could see the Matt cartoon being something they look forward to seeing. If it went, so would they. It may not have occurred to them that they could see it online, or they haven't had the nudge that would knock them out of their current habit and into a new one.Philip_Thompson said:
He is the one genuinely funny cartoonist in the media, most others are utter dross . . .Sandpit said:
£600k, plus eight weeks off, and he got a country house as a bonus one year.FrancisUrquhart said:
The publisher has told the editor that Matt leaving would be considered a resigning matter for said editor, and he has standing written offers from both the Mail and the Sun.
He’s the highest paid employee at the Telegraph group, earns more than the editor.
Nice work if you can get it!
But how many people actually pay for the Telegraph because of Matt? The cartoon can be seen online every day.
So it probably makes a lot more sense for the Telegraph to pay him loads of money then it would be for a different newspaper to poach him.1 -
“Customs Clearance Centres”. The clown equivalent of the Cones Hotline. With a bit of added sparkle.TGOHF2 said:Remainers don’t like new deal ideas shock.
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Yep, this is all about being able to blame the EU. Johnson has been lying to the British people from the get-go. His big problem is that there can be no election before either No Deal or an extension now, when he was planning for an October poll.HYUFD said:
Fine by Boris, he can say he put forward plans to avoid the backstop, the EU rejected them, so blame them for No Deal (though if he wins a Tory majority and can dump the DUP I suspect he will still go for a NI only backstop)Scott_P said:
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This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
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These people committed their crimes in Syria, surely they should face trial there?OblitusSumMe said:
Can you imagine the response if the EU told us to do this?Scott_P said:BoZo's buddy Trump...
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"Lib Dems block cross-party plan to install Corbyn as PM if Johnson defeated over no-deal
Jo Swinson refuses to back the Labour leader if Boris Johnson is defeated in a vote of no confidence to prevent no-deal.
Ms Swinson, who declined to be interviewed by Sky News alongside the other leaders, has said she would only support a compromise candidate for PM like Tory grandee Kenneth Clarke or Labour veteran Dame Margaret Beckett."
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Don't mock. There's still plenty of time to agree a deal, hold a general election, and then have a Northern Ireland referendum before the Benn deadline in three weeks time.Benpointer said:
Is that before or after the NI referendum you were telling us about?HYUFD said:
Fine by Boris, he can say he put forward plans to avoid the backstop, the EU rejected them, so blame them for No Deal (though if he wins a majority and can dump the DUP I suspect he will still go for a NI only backstop)Scott_P said:
Remember we have a genius in charge now.0 -
Good to see a decision reversed when it was found to be a mistake.0
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I hear Boris is also planning miles of barbed wire at Folkestone and a French passport office on British soil to check all British trucks leaving the country.
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And to be fair to all the Brexiteer who said we would never build any infrastructure AT the border, they were right.SouthamObserver said:To be fair to Johnson, this was the standard Leave line in 2016.
https://twitter.com/propertyspot/status/1178774045313114115?s=21
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That requires a Tory majority, as does a NI only backstop, otherwise the DUP will block bothBenpointer said:
Is that before or after the NI referendum you were telling us about?HYUFD said:
Fine by Boris, he can say he put forward plans to avoid the backstop, the EU rejected them, so blame them for No Deal (though if he wins a majority and can dump the DUP I suspect he will still go for a NI only backstop)Scott_P said:0 -
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The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.Gallowgate said:
This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.0 -
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Come on, I think it's nice that Loyalists venerate someone who had the backing of the Pope.Anabobazina said:
Nope. I’m objecting on the basis that that image is sectarian iconography, as you know full well, as does the owner of the avatar.JBriskinindyref2 said:
You still banging on about the Glorious Revolution again? It was one of the greatest moments in our history - I hope you're objecting on some kind of jacobite ground.Anabobazina said:
Not the ones who have nasty sectarian avatars then?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Glasgow voted Yes dipshit. And I'd say it's the separatists of that city that have a greater affinity to another island given the football I watch.Theuniondivvie said:
A fine way to describe your fellow Unionists. However as ever I'm happy to reduce your ignorance about the country in which you live.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Glasgow is a sectarian hell-hole. It's your choice to live there. Although I admit the locals were quite friendly for the couple of pints I've had there (Blur concert)Theuniondivvie said:
It's the Unionists that march (sometimes several times) every week round my bit, and they seem to have a deep, unnatural attachment to a part of another island.JBriskinindyref2 said:
It's the same F-ing Island as someone once famously (to me at least) stated on PB.spudgfsh said:
There's a growing sense of English identity in a fashion which Scotland and Wales have always had. There is very little left that actually fosters a British identity anymore. Probably only the olympics?Byronic said:
Not in England. You over-estimate the desire in England to stay linked to the Scots, after the first indyref, and Brexit. A large minority, maybe a majority of English people would quite happily say goodbye to Scotland and Edinburgh's perceived drag on the English treasury.JBriskinindyref2 said:There'd better a shortage of champers in the UK after a 60/40 vote.
I am not one of them. I am a convinced English unionist and a happy Briton, I don't want Scotland to go, but I can see the polls on English perceptions, and I can sense the mood around me.
We don't need to go on marches every week like the Yessers.0 -
...and?TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.Gallowgate said:
This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Ireland wants the entirety of the island of Ireland in the single market and customs union. That’s it.0 -
What a ridiculous post .TGOHF2 said:I hear Boris is also planning miles of barbed wire at Folkestone and a French passport office on British soil to check all British trucks leaving the country.
Oh wait we have that already.
Leavers just happy to trash peace in NI and seem incapable of understanding the situation over there .
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Exactly the same as the response we should be giving the Americans now. Though perhaps we could be a little more polite to the EU given their proximity to the crisis.OblitusSumMe said:
Can you imagine the response if the EU told us to do this?Scott_P said:BoZo's buddy Trump...
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Yes we wouldn’t want the drug smugglers inconvenienced by Brexit would we.nico67 said:
What a ridiculous post .TGOHF2 said:I hear Boris is also planning miles of barbed wire at Folkestone and a French passport office on British soil to check all British trucks leaving the country.
Oh wait we have that already.
Leavers just happy to trash peace in NI and seem incapable of understanding the situation over there .0 -
You’re on silly duty tonight. Not sure the Irish should be asked to dig us out of the mess we got ourselves into entirely by ourselves.TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.Gallowgate said:
This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.0 -
1066 is a a key myth in the establishment of the English nation.IanB2 said:
True. It is one of the most remarkable rewritings of history. The Dutch landed an army and everything, ready to take the country by force. Yet we are taught at school that the last successful invasion was in 1066.viewcode said:
It was the moment when the rightful king as appointed by God was overthrown after much bloodshed by a Dutch usurper underwritten by traitorously nobility, who then rewrote history to say that it was all ice cream and jelly tots.JBriskinindyref2 said:
You still banging on about the Glorious Revolution again? It was one of the greatest moments in our history - I hope you're objecting on some kind of jacobite ground.Anabobazina said:
Not the ones who have nasty sectarian avatars then?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Glasgow voted Yes dipshit. And I'd say it's the separatists of that city that have a greater affinity to another island given the football I watch.Theuniondivvie said:
A fine way to describe your fellow Unionists. However as ever I'm happy to reduce your ignorance about the country in which you live.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Glasgow is a sectarian hell-hole. It's your choice to live there. Although I admit the locals were quite friendly for the couple of pints I've had there (Blur concert)Theuniondivvie said:
It's the Unionists that march (sometimes several times) every week round my bit, and they seem to have a deep, unnatural attachment to a part of another island.JBriskinindyref2 said:
It's the same F-ing Island as someone once famously (to me at least) stated on PB.spudgfsh said:
There's a growing sense of English identity in a fashion which Scotland and Wales have always had. There is very little left that actually fosters a British identity anymore. Probably only the olympics?Byronic said:
Not in England. You over-estimate the desire in England to stay linked to the Scots, after the firstJBriskinindyref2 said:There'd be a shortage of champers in the UK after a 60/40 vote.
I am not one of them. I am a convinced English unionist and a happy Briton, I don't want Scotland to go, but I can see the polls on English perceptions, and I can sense the mood around me.
We don't need to go on marches every week like the Yessers.
(Incidentally I noted your statement earlier about missing the vote. If you are now in stable accommodation you can get a postal vote, which takes the edge right off and makes things a shit-ton easier)0 -
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What amazes me is how many people are on permanent silly duty these days.Jonathan said:
Your on silly duty tonight.TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.Gallowgate said:
This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Is there anything Boris Johnson could do that would be too stupid for them to defend? Why is it? Has he got pornographic photos of them or something? Has he been squeezing their thighs and driving them into an irrational sexual frenzy?0 -
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Just as well the people of Calais don't still hold a grudge against the rest of France for separating them from the English Crown.TGOHF2 said:I hear Boris is also planning miles of barbed wire at Folkestone and a French passport office on British soil to check all British trucks leaving the country.
Oh wait we have that already.0 -
1066 was one of the worst events in English history - the import of a brutal feudal system to disenfranchise the common man.StuartDickson said:
1066 is a a key myth in the establishment of the English nation.0 -
Well unfortunately for them, part of the island of Ireland is part of a state that has voted to leave the EU. So alternative arrangements will need to be made. It would be helpful if they engaged constructively with the gargantuan efforts made by the UK Government to construct an effective customs border that is invisible and doesn't encumber people from living, working and visiting either side.Gallowgate said:
...and?TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.Gallowgate said:
This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Ireland wants the entirety of the island of Ireland in the single market and customs union. That’s it.0 -
Someone put down an SO24 and demand to see the papers on this, hurry hurry hurry!
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The Commission won't bite. The risk that the UK doesn't man its posts, effectively moving the border ten miles into ROI, is too high.
Of course, they might think they can get ten miles of territory.
But the main thing is that Scott stops treating PB as a backup version of FBPE Twitter.0 -
We already solved this problem. Its called the European Union.Luckyguy1983 said:
Well unfortunately for them, part of the island of Ireland is part of a state that has voted to leave the EU. So alternative arrangements will need to be made. It would be helpful if they engaged constructively with the gargantuan efforts made by the UK Government to construct an effective customs border that is invisible and doesn't encumber people from living, working and visiting either side.Gallowgate said:
...and?TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.Gallowgate said:
This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Ireland wants the entirety of the island of Ireland in the single market and customs union. That’s it.0 -
“Traditional voters” is a euphemism for “the elderly”.Scott_P said:0 -
It's more important for the Empire than for the nation, in that the way in which the Norman invasion - and indeed the Roman occupation - are celebrated is as though to say that invasion is good for a place, and therefore places invaded by the English (and then later the British) should be grateful for it.StuartDickson said:
1066 is a a key myth in the establishment of the English nation.IanB2 said:
True. It is one of the most remarkable rewritings of history. The Dutch landed an army and everything, ready to take the country by force. Yet we are taught at school that the last successful invasion was in 1066.viewcode said:It was the moment when the rightful king as appointed by God was overthrown after much bloodshed by a Dutch usurper underwritten by traitorously nobility, who then rewrote history to say that it was all ice cream and jelly tots.
(Incidentally I noted your statement earlier about missing the vote. If you are now in stable accommodation you can get a postal vote, which takes the edge right off and makes things a shit-ton easier)0 -
Sounds like more details coming this week - perhaps wait and see.dyedwoolie said:Someone put down an SO24 and demand to see the papers on this, hurry hurry hurry!
Perhaps even read something longer than a knee jerk tweet ...0 -
Bomb the camp, and kill them. They are all dronable targets, so it is just a case of doing en masse what we do to the individual.Scott_P said:BoZo's buddy Trump...
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“It would be helpful”. Beyond parody.Luckyguy1983 said:
Well unfortunately for them, part of the island of Ireland is part of a state that has voted to leave the EU. So alternative arrangements will need to be made. It would be helpful if they engaged constructively with the gargantuan efforts made by the UK Government to construct an effective customs border that is invisible and doesn't encumber people from living, working and visiting either side.Gallowgate said:
...and?TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.Gallowgate said:
This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Ireland wants the entirety of the island of Ireland in the single market and customs union. That’s it.0 -
The UK government is suggesting a hard border 10 miles from the actual border. The simple truth is that Brexit is not compatible with the Good Friday Agreement. A hard border in Ireland runs counter to promises made to the nationalist community, while a hard border in the Irish Sea runs counter to promises made to the unionist community. Luckyguy1983 said:
Well unfortunately for them, part of the island of Ireland is part of a state that has voted to leave the EU. So alternative arrangements will need to be made. It would be helpful if they engaged constructively with the gargantuan efforts made by the UK Government to construct an effective customs border that is invisible and doesn't encumber people from living, working and visiting either side.Gallowgate said:
...and?TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.Gallowgate said:
This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Ireland wants the entirety of the island of Ireland in the single market and customs union. That’s it.
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Well, now we have a new situation, that requires a new solution. It really is that simple.Gallowgate said:
We already solved this problem. Its called the European Union.Luckyguy1983 said:
Well unfortunately for them, part of the island of Ireland is part of a state that has voted to leave the EU. So alternative arrangements will need to be made. It would be helpful if they engaged constructively with the gargantuan efforts made by the UK Government to construct an effective customs border that is invisible and doesn't encumber people from living, working and visiting either side.Gallowgate said:
...and?TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.Gallowgate said:
This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Ireland wants the entirety of the island of Ireland in the single market and customs union. That’s it.0 -
"Gargantuan" in the original Rabelaisian sense, presumably? "... a young giant, reduced to laughable insanity by an education at the hands of paternal ignorance, old crones and syphilitic professors ..."Luckyguy1983 said:
Well unfortunately for them, part of the island of Ireland is part of a state that has voted to leave the EU. So alternative arrangements will need to be made. It would be helpful if they engaged constructively with the gargantuan efforts made by the UK Government to construct an effective customs border that is invisible and doesn't encumber people from living, working and visiting either side.Gallowgate said:
...and?TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.Gallowgate said:
This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Ireland wants the entirety of the island of Ireland in the single market and customs union. That’s it.0 -
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Well the remainers have one of two options then...Gallowgate said:
No deal is unlawful without parliamentary approval remember.
1. The vote through whatever deal is brought back
Or,
2. Sign the surrender letter before a GE
They need to make a decision about which it is because they are doing one of them.1 -
The latest proposals involve three borders instead of one and a huge buffer zone that will need to be heavily policed if it is to have any meaning whatsoever. It is not a serious proposal. As HYUFD correctly observes, it’s a means to try to blame the EU for No Deal.Chris said:
"Gargantuan" in the original Rabelaisian sense, presumably? "... a young giant, reduced to laughable insanity by an education at the hands of paternal ignorance, old crones and syphilitic professors ..."Luckyguy1983 said:
Well unfortunately for them, part of the island of Ireland is part of a state that has voted to leave the EU. So alternative arrangements will need to be made. It would be helpful if they engaged constructively with the gargantuan efforts made by the UK Government to construct an effective customs border that is invisible and doesn't encumber people from living, working and visiting either side.Gallowgate said:
...and?TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.Gallowgate said:
This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Ireland wants the entirety of the island of Ireland in the single market and customs union. That’s it.
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There is already a border in Ireland across which there are different governments, different heads of state, different currencies, different legal systems, different tax systems, different speed limits and different football teams.SouthamObserver said:
The UK government is suggesting a hard border 10 miles from the actual border. The simple truth is that Brexit is not compatible with the Good Friday Agreement. A hard border in Ireland runs counter to promises made to the nationalist community, while a hard border in the Irish Sea runs counter to promises made to the unionist community. Luckyguy1983 said:
Well unfortunately for them, part of the island of Ireland is part of a state that has voted to leave the EU. So alternative arrangements will need to be made. It would be helpful if they engaged constructively with the gargantuan efforts made by the UK Government to construct an effective customs border that is invisible and doesn't encumber people from living, working and visiting either side.Gallowgate said:
...and?TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.Gallowgate said:
This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Ireland wants the entirety of the island of Ireland in the single market and customs union. That’s it.
How curious all that is tolerable yet other things are deemed not to be.0 -
I know right. We’re still waiting for the incompetent government to propose something suitable.Luckyguy1983 said:
Well, now we have a new situation, that requires a new solution. It really is that simple.Gallowgate said:
We already solved this problem. Its called the European Union.Luckyguy1983 said:
Well unfortunately for them, part of the island of Ireland is part of a state that has voted to leave the EU. So alternative arrangements will need to be made. It would be helpful if they engaged constructively with the gargantuan efforts made by the UK Government to construct an effective customs border that is invisible and doesn't encumber people from living, working and visiting either side.Gallowgate said:
...and?TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.Gallowgate said:
This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Ireland wants the entirety of the island of Ireland in the single market and customs union. That’s it.0 -
Northern Ireland voted to remain in the EU.Luckyguy1983 said:
Well unfortunately for them, part of the island of Ireland is part of a state that has voted to leave the EU. So alternative arrangements will need to be made. It would be helpful if they engaged constructively with the gargantuan efforts made by the UK Government to construct an effective customs border that is invisible and doesn't encumber people from living, working and visiting either side.Gallowgate said:
...and?TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.Gallowgate said:
This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Ireland wants the entirety of the island of Ireland in the single market and customs union. That’s it.0 -
Therefore, Brexit is impossible, and we have - for some time - not been sovereign, in the most fundamental way, because europhile traitors handed over most of our sovereignty, without our permission.SouthamObserver said:
The UK government is suggesting a hard border 10 miles from the actual border. The simple truth is that Brexit is not compatible with the Good Friday Agreement. A hard border in Ireland runs counter to promises made to the nationalist community, while a hard border in the Irish Sea runs counter to promises made to the unionist community. Luckyguy1983 said:
Well unfortunately for them, part of the island of Ireland is part of a state that has voted to leave the EU. So alternative arrangements will need to be made. It would be helpful if they engaged constructively with the gargantuan efforts made by the UK Government to construct an effective customs border that is invisible and doesn't encumber people from living, working and visiting either side.Gallowgate said:
...and?TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.Gallowgate said:
This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Ireland wants the entirety of the island of Ireland in the single market and customs union. That’s it.
It would be nice if the europhile bien pensants occasionally acknowledged this undeniable consequence of our position, as they describe it.0 -
And never mind the fact that the camp contains hundreds and hundreds of innocent people. You know, humans who've done nothing wrong?Byronic said:
Bomb the camp, and kill them. They are all dronable targets, so it is just a case of doing en masse what we do to the individual.Scott_P said:BoZo's buddy Trump...
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/11787809599712747520
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