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Thats to stop them getting out isn’t it?Anorak said:0 -
Doesn't it make you pause and think that everyone here saying that post-October 31 would be fatal is a remainer who wishes it to be fatal?TOPPING said:
Good post. I am in the latter group of disaffected Cons supporters you describe. Plus it has been my contention that post-October 31 would be fatal for Boris. Perhaps I am overestimating the resolution of some Brexiters while underestimating Nigel's efficacy. The latter though a dangerous path.Bournville said:Traditional LAB/CON switchers won't be the primary Tory targets in the next election. Firstly, because the Labour vote is close to its extremely sticky floor of around 20%, and most of those voters are never going to switch to the Conservatives. Secondly, because the bulk of voters who have left the Conservatives since 2017 have gone to the Lib Dems or Brexit Party, it makes far more sense to target those voters who have at least demonstrated that they're willing to vote Conservative in a pinch.
My expectation is that the Tories will continue to squeeze the Brexit Party vote by arguing that only Boris Johnson can deliver Brexit, and squeeze Tory-LD switchers by arguing that Johnson is better than Corbyn. And, of course, coming up with some generous post-Brexit spending pledges to squeeze both.
Furthermore, you might almost think that having Parliament force an extension which Johnson can credibly argue to Leave voters he didn't want and did everything he could to prevent, giving him an extra couple months to hold an election without worrying about a no deal Brexit in the middle of the campaign while reinforcing the People VS Parliament narrative he needs to win back Conservatives who have gone over to the Brexit Party, plays right into his hands.
I think the path for Johnson is very narrow, but I wouldn't write his chances off.
I don't see anyone who supports Boris suggesting that an extension forced by his opponents would hurt him rather than play into his hands.0 -
Interesting - and last time it was a majority government!Scott_P said:
"William IV's dismissal of Lord Melbourne's Whig government in November 1834 was the last time a British monarch tried to assert political authority by bringing down a government that had majority support in the House of Commons."0 -
heheScott_P said:
I have never retweeted youMarqueeMark said:It's so easy to be a smart-arsed twat these days.
And then get retweeted by Scott.....0 -
Why are Labour so afraid of a General Election? The puzzle continues. 😂MarqueeMark said:
Someone should tell the NS that Labour's internal polling (apparently) shows them at risk of losing 100 seats.....Philip_Thompson said:
LOL!!dyedwoolie said:
Easington is 197 on the Labour defence list, it's the 60th safest seat they have. NS are reading the list upside downStark_Dawning said:This was in this week's NS article about Dom and his vision:
Victory for the Tories lies in winning seats far down the list of Labour targets, to make up for the 30 or so MPs they could lose in Scotland and in Remain constituencies in England. For Johnson to win a majority, you have to go about 60 seats down the list of Labour seats that the Tories could win, which is when you get to Easington in the north-east of England.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/09/dominic-cummings-machiavel-downing-street
Easington? Is Dom serious? This all sounds a bit far fetched to me.
Don't think anyone's suggested Labour will go down to fewer than 60 seats remaining. What's next, in order to gain any seats the Tories need to be winning places like Liverpool Walton?0 -
Quite. Almost everywhere else in the world is much more liberal with planning laws with respect to extensions.edmundintokyo said:
This is the best policy any government in Britain has come up with in the entire history of ever. It solves the country's biggest social and economic problem without costing anyone any money.Theuniondivvie said:
I suppose the voters will hate it.
You need to keep exceptions for AONB and listed buildings, and ensure that appropriate permission is still required for adding extra dwellings rather than extending existing units.
Planning reform is one of the most urgent issues facing the U.K., but as you say it has the potential to be hugely unpopular. (As with most of the “too-difficult” pile, see social care, welfare reform, tertiary education funding and many more).0 -
That is because to support Boris you have to have had a political lobotomyPhilip_Thompson said:TOPPING said:
Good post. I am in the latter group of disaffected Cons supporters you describe. Plus it has been my contention that post-October 31 would be fatal for Boris. Perhaps I am overestimating the resolution of some Brexiters while underestimating Nigel's efficacy. The latter though a dangerous path.Bournville said:Traditional LAB/CON switchers won't be the primary Tory targets in the next election. Firstly, because the Labour vote is close to its extremely sticky floor of around 20%, and most of those voters are never going to switch to the Conservatives. Secondly, because the bulk of voters who have left the Conservatives since 2017 have gone to the Lib Dems or Brexit Party, it makes far more sense to target those voters who have at least demonstrated that they're willing to vote Conservative in a pinch.
My expectation is that the Tories will continue to squeeze the Brexit Party vote by arguing that only Boris Johnson can deliver Brexit, and squeeze Tory-LD switchers by arguing that Johnson is better than Corbyn. And, of course, coming up with some generous post-Brexit spending pledges to squeeze both.
Furthermore, you might almost think that having Parliament force an extension which Johnson can credibly argue to Leave voters he didn't want and did everything he could to prevent, giving him an extra couple months to hold an election without worrying about a no deal Brexit in the middle of the campaign while reinforcing the People VS Parliament narrative he needs to win back Conservatives who have gone over to the Brexit Party, plays right into his hands.
I think the path for Johnson is very narrow, but I wouldn't write his chances off.
Doesn't it make you pause and think that everyone here saying that post-October 31 would be fatal is a remainer who wishes it to be fatal?
I don't see anyone who supports Boris suggesting that an extension forced by his opponents would hurt him rather than play into his hands.
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my thinking as well.dyedwoolie said:
I'd rather Fort William in a hoolie than Oxford in a heatwavemalcolmg said:
LOL, I am never irritable except when confronted by stupidity ( common on here ). We certainly do not get enough sun, but when we do it is exceedingly pleasant , none of your mugginess and crap and no madding crowds to spoil your happiness. I have lived down south and the little extra sun did not make up for the horrible amount of traffic and people. It made it almost impossible to enjoy holidays except in your own garden.Byronic said:
You make a typically elegant and perceptive point, malcolm, nonetheless you are not at liberty to dispute the facts. The chart shows that western Scotland gets the same amount of sun as Yakutia, Siberia. Literally.malcolmg said:
It is still the same bollox as last thread. For someone who lives in the sweltering concrete cesspit of London it really is a hoot.Byronic said:fpt for me
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Byronic said:
This is a rather brilliant essay (with fascinating index) on the best places to live in the world, taking into account weather plus crime, costs, etc
https://medium.com/@BambouClub/which-city-has-the-best-climate-in-the-world-355e013e9e95
Look how badly Ireland, Scotland and northern England do on "irradiation" i.e. sun. Practically unique in the world in their sunlessness, only central south China and the Aleutian Islands are worse.
That is quite impressive in a bad way. Explains the Mancunian character.
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Also worth noting that on sun hours, the bleakness of northern Ireland and western Scotland are only matched by the desolations of Iceland, Newfoundland, Antarctica, and central northern Siberia.
OUTER northern Siberia is, in sun hours, nicer than Glasgow.
Visit Scotland should use this in their advertising. "Come to Scotland, about as pleasant as Novaya Zemlya".
I venture this might explain the tendency to mild irritability in your character.
PS: Yakutia must be a green and pleasant place
PPS: Sun is shining as I post, trees are turning and a fine autumn beckons0 -
[Hops up and down with frustration]Scott_P said:
The Dismissal! The Dismissal! When the Australian PM was dismissed in the 1970's by the Governor-General! It's the same principle and it happened in the 1970s!
Many exclamation marks!!!!
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No it doesn't.Scott_P said:
The NI border needs extraordinary measures to prevent attempts to blow them updyedwoolie said:Not really, he thinks its an amusing comment on the NI border, whereas the fact the government needs extraordinary measures to prevent attempts to blow them up is not really a joking matter
That's the point. You missed it. Again.0 -
When Theresa May was forced by her opponents to delay Brexit she was doomed. Hard to see how Boris escapes the same fate.Philip_Thompson said:
Doesn't it make you pause and think that everyone here saying that post-October 31 would be fatal is a remainer who wishes it to be fatal?TOPPING said:
Good post. I am in the latter group of disaffected Cons supporters you describe. Plus it has been my contention that post-October 31 would be fatal for Boris. Perhaps I am overestimating the resolution of some Brexiters while underestimating Nigel's efficacy. The latter though a dangerous path.Bournville said:Traditional LAB/CON switchers won't be the primary Tory targets in the next election. Firstly, because the Labour vote is close to its extremely sticky floor of around 20%, and most of those voters are never going to switch to the Conservatives. Secondly, because the bulk of voters who have left the Conservatives since 2017 have gone to the Lib Dems or Brexit Party, it makes far more sense to target those voters who have at least demonstrated that they're willing to vote Conservative in a pinch.
My expectation is that the Tories will continue to squeeze the Brexit Party vote by arguing that only Boris Johnson can deliver Brexit, and squeeze Tory-LD switchers by arguing that Johnson is better than Corbyn. And, of course, coming up with some generous post-Brexit spending pledges to squeeze both.
Furthermore, you might almost think that having Parliament force an extension which Johnson can credibly argue to Leave voters he didn't want and did everything he could to prevent, giving him an extra couple months to hold an election without worrying about a no deal Brexit in the middle of the campaign while reinforcing the People VS Parliament narrative he needs to win back Conservatives who have gone over to the Brexit Party, plays right into his hands.
I think the path for Johnson is very narrow, but I wouldn't write his chances off.
I don't see anyone who supports Boris suggesting that an extension forced by his opponents would hurt him rather than play into his hands.0 -
Sure you can afford it allByronic said:
The inner Hebrides, on a fine summer's day, are quite possibly the most beautiful place on God's green earth. Also the food is markedly improved, as it is elsewhere in our fair British islands.malcolmg said:
LOL, I am never irritable except when confronted by stupidity ( common on here ). We certainly do not get enough sun, but when we do it is exceedingly pleasant , none of your mugginess and crap and no madding crowds to spoil your happiness. I have lived down south and the little extra sun did not make up for the horrible amount of traffic and people. It made it almost impossible to enjoy holidays except in your own garden.Byronic said:
You make a typically elegant and perceptive point, malcolm, nonetheless you are not at liberty to dispute the facts. The chart shows that western Scotland gets the same amount of sun as Yakutia, Siberia. Literally.malcolmg said:
It is still the same bollox as last thread. For someone who lives in the sweltering concrete cesspit of London it really is a hoot.Byronic said:fpt for me
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Byronic said:
This is a rather brilliant essay (with fascinating index) on the best places to live in the world, taking into account weather plus crime, costs, etc
https://medium.com/@BambouClub/which-city-has-the-best-climate-in-the-world-355e013e9e95
Look how badly Ireland, Scotland and northern England do on "irradiation" i.e. sun. Practically unique in the world in their sunlessness, only central south China and the Aleutian Islands are worse.
That is quite impressive in a bad way. Explains the Mancunian character.
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Also worth noting that on sun hours, the bleakness of northern Ireland and western Scotland are only matched by the desolations of Iceland, Newfoundland, Antarctica, and central northern Siberia.
OUTER northern Siberia is, in sun hours, nicer than Glasgow.
Visit Scotland should use this in their advertising. "Come to Scotland, about as pleasant as Novaya Zemlya".
I venture this might explain the tendency to mild irritability in your character.
PS: Yakutia must be a green and pleasant place
PPS: Sun is shining as I post, trees are turning and a fine autumn beckons
It's just that, for me, there isn't enough of these sunny days; even in relatively sunnier London I get immiserated by the grey.
As ever the ideal would be a mix. A London flat plus a nice little home in the Greek islands would suit me. Plus maybe a botlhole in Thailand. And a ranch in Arizona. I don't ask for much.0 -
It's not just the earnest desirings of diehard Remainers, Philip. There's speculative polling [I know] that says Boris wins big if he delivers by October 31st, but loses if he doesn't.Philip_Thompson said:Doesn't it make you pause and think that everyone here saying that post-October 31 would be fatal is a remainer who wishes it to be fatal?.
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Theresa May wasn't forced. She voluntarily suggested, called a vote for, and then voted for an extension.anothernick said:
When Theresa May was forced by her opponents to delay Brexit she was doomed. Hard to see how Boris escapes the same fate.Philip_Thompson said:
Doesn't it make you pause and think that everyone here saying that post-October 31 would be fatal is a remainer who wishes it to be fatal?TOPPING said:
Good post. I am in the latter group of disaffected Cons supporters you describe. Plus it has been my contention that post-October 31 would be fatal for Boris. Perhaps I am overestimating the resolution of some Brexiters while underestimating Nigel's efficacy. The latter though a dangerous path.Bournville said:Traditional LAB/CON switchers won't be the primary Tory targets in the next election. Firstly, because the Labour vote is close to its extremely sticky floor of around 20%, and most of those voters are never going to switch to the Conservatives. Secondly, because the bulk of voters who have left the Conservatives since 2017 have gone to the Lib Dems or Brexit Party, it makes far more sense to target those voters who have at least demonstrated that they're willing to vote Conservative in a pinch.
My expectation is that the Tories will continue to squeeze the Brexit Party vote by arguing that only Boris Johnson can deliver Brexit, and squeeze Tory-LD switchers by arguing that Johnson is better than Corbyn. And, of course, coming up with some generous post-Brexit spending pledges to squeeze both.
Furthermore, you might almost think that having Parliament force an extension which Johnson can credibly argue to Leave voters he didn't want and did everything he could to prevent, giving him an extra couple months to hold an election without worrying about a no deal Brexit in the middle of the campaign while reinforcing the People VS Parliament narrative he needs to win back Conservatives who have gone over to the Brexit Party, plays right into his hands.
I think the path for Johnson is very narrow, but I wouldn't write his chances off.
I don't see anyone who supports Boris suggesting that an extension forced by his opponents would hurt him rather than play into his hands.1 -
If that's the case then why would Oct or Nov make a difference to his supporters?Nigel_Foremain said:
That is because to support Boris you have to have had a political lobotomyPhilip_Thompson said:TOPPING said:
Good post. I am in the latter group of disaffected Cons supporters you describe. Plus it has been my contention that post-October 31 would be fatal for Boris. Perhaps I am overestimating the resolution of some Brexiters while underestimating Nigel's efficacy. The latter though a dangerous path.Bournville said:Traditional LAB/CON switchers won't be the primary Tory targets in the next election. Firstly, because the Labour vote is close to its extremely sticky floor of around 20%, and most of those voters are never going to switch to the Conservatives. Secondly, because the bulk of voters who have left the Conservatives since 2017 have gone to the Lib Dems or Brexit Party, it makes far more sense to target those voters who have at least demonstrated that they're willing to vote Conservative in a pinch.
My expectation is that the Tories will continue to squeeze the Brexit Party vote by arguing that only Boris Johnson can deliver Brexit, and squeeze Tory-LD switchers by arguing that Johnson is better than Corbyn. And, of course, coming up with some generous post-Brexit spending pledges to squeeze both.
Furthermore, you might almost think that having Parliament force an extension which Johnson can credibly argue to Leave voters he didn't want and did everything he could to prevent, giving him an extra couple months to hold an election without worrying about a no deal Brexit in the middle of the campaign while reinforcing the People VS Parliament narrative he needs to win back Conservatives who have gone over to the Brexit Party, plays right into his hands.
I think the path for Johnson is very narrow, but I wouldn't write his chances off.
Doesn't it make you pause and think that everyone here saying that post-October 31 would be fatal is a remainer who wishes it to be fatal?
I don't see anyone who supports Boris suggesting that an extension forced by his opponents would hurt him rather than play into his hands.0 -
It is pretty pathetic indeedCharles said:
While I agree with that, it is troubling that we have an asymmetric situationCyclefree said:FPT - on Boris’s wandering hands (allegedly):-
If women and girls reported every sexual assault, however minor, to the police, they’d be doing little else from about the age of 12 onwards. And doubtless they’d be criticised for diverting the police from “more important” crimes and/or accused of being hysterical about trivial matters. It is beyond tiresome that women have to - as a matter of routine in pretty much all walks of life - put up with chimpanzee-like behaviour from men of all types. It’d be quite nice if they’d grow up and learn some more civilized mating techniques.
Depressingly, I doubt all these stories will affect peoples’ views of Boris one bit: that he’s a priapic liar is priced in. His opponents are making the same mistake as those thinking that all those IRA stories would harm Corbyn during the last GE. Something more than “Boris is a lech” is needed.
Charlotte Easton (?) could have made these allegations public - or complained to the police - at any point in the last 20 years.
She could have done so during the #metoo campaign a couple of years ago
And yet she chooses to make a word-against-word allegation at a time it will draw the most attention and thereby benefit her career the most while potentially damaging the accused the most
That doesn’t seem equitable to me.0 -
May I just point out to some frothers down thread the context of Dominic Grieve indicating that the Queen would dismiss Boris.
The Prime Minister had refused to observe the Benn Act, had been taken to the Supreme Court and lost and then refused to accept the judgment, defied the law and refused to resign as Prime Minister.0 -
Yes that is true. But I can't help feeling that Nigel would swing into action in that case (my post earlier incorrectly said "underestimate" his efficacy instead of overestimate) and at the least muddy the water for many Brexiters. The narrative is simple: he failed.Philip_Thompson said:
Doesn't it make you pause and think that everyone here saying that post-October 31 would be fatal is a remainer who wishes it to be fatal?TOPPING said:
Good post. I am in the latter group of disaffected Cons supporters you describe. Plus it has been my contention that post-October 31 would be fatal for Boris. Perhaps I am overestimating the resolution of some Brexiters while underestimating Nigel's efficacy. The latter though a dangerous path.Bournville said:Traditional LAB/CON switchers won't be the primary Tory targets in the next election. Firstly, because the Labour vote is close to its extremely sticky floor of around 20%, and most of those voters are never going to switch to the Conservatives. Secondly, because the bulk of voters who have left the Conservatives since 2017 have gone to the Lib Dems or Brexit Party, it makes far more sense to target those voters who have at least demonstrated that they're willing to vote Conservative in a pinch.
My expectation is that the Tories will continue to squeeze the Brexit Party vote by arguing that only Boris Johnson can deliver Brexit, and squeeze Tory-LD switchers by arguing that Johnson is better than Corbyn. And, of course, coming up with some generous post-Brexit spending pledges to squeeze both.
Furthermore, you might almost think that having Parliament force an extension which Johnson can credibly argue to Leave voters he didn't want and did everything he could to prevent, giving him an extra couple months to hold an election without worrying about a no deal Brexit in the middle of the campaign while reinforcing the People VS Parliament narrative he needs to win back Conservatives who have gone over to the Brexit Party, plays right into his hands.
I think the path for Johnson is very narrow, but I wouldn't write his chances off.
I don't see anyone who supports Boris suggesting that an extension forced by his opponents would hurt him rather than play into his hands.
I think with Nigel against you you are in a corner if you want similar things but Nigel's vision is the purer because the purer the vision the easier the sell. No matter the reality of what's being sold.0 -
I miss most the cold frosty winters we used to get, mild and wet is really boring.MarqueeMark said:
Late autumn, as Titchwell fills with migrating wildfowl and massive skeins of Pink-foot Geese sail overhead. I could give you that.dyedwoolie said:
North Norfolk in the winter as an arctic low steams down the North SeaMarqueeMark said:
The climate of South Devon beats everywhere else.dyedwoolie said:
I'd rather Fort William in a hoolie than Oxford in a heatwavemalcolmg said:
LOL, I am never irritable except when confronted by stupidity ( common on here ). We certainly do not get enough sun, but when we do it is exceedingly pleasant , none of your mugginess and crap and no madding crowds to spoil your happiness. I have lived down south and the little extra sun did not make up for the horrible amount of traffic and people. It made it almost impossible to enjoy holidays except in your own garden.Byronic said:
You make a typically elegant and perceptive point, malcolm, nonetheless you are not at liberty to dispute the facts. The chart shows that western Scotland gets the same amount of sun as Yakutia, Siberia. Literally.malcolmg said:
It is still the same bollox as last thread. For someone who lives in the sweltering concrete cesspit of London it really is a hoot.Byronic said:fpt for me
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Byronic said:
This is a rather brilliant essay (with fascinating index) on the best places to live in the world, taking into account weather plus crime, costs, etc
https://medium.com/@BambouClub/which-city-has-the-best-climate-in-the-world-355e013e9e95
Look how badly Ireland, Scotland and northern England do on "irradiation" i.e. sun. Practically unique in the world in their sunlessness, only central south China and the Aleutian Islands are worse.
That is quite impressive in a bad way. Explains the Mancunian character.
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Also worth noting that on sun hours, the bleakness of northern Ireland and western Scotland are only matched by the desolations of Iceland, Newfoundland, Antarctica, and central northern Siberia.
OUTER northern Siberia is, in sun hours, nicer than Glasgow.
Visit Scotland should use this in their advertising. "Come to Scotland, about as pleasant as Novaya Zemlya".
I venture this might explain the tendency to mild irritability in your character.
PS: Yakutia must be a green and pleasant place
PPS: Sun is shining as I post, trees are turning and a fine autumn beckons
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Oh, Charles; in the nicest possible manner, genuinely, do grow up!Charles said:
While I agree with that, it is troubling that we have an asymmetric situationCyclefree said:FPT - on Boris’s wandering hands (allegedly):-
If women and girls reported every sexual assault, however minor, to the police, they’d be doing little else from about the age of 12 onwards. And doubtless they’d be criticised for diverting the police from “more important” crimes and/or accused of being hysterical about trivial matters. It is beyond tiresome that women have to - as a matter of routine in pretty much all walks of life - put up with chimpanzee-like behaviour from men of all types. It’d be quite nice if they’d grow up and learn some more civilized mating techniques.
Depressingly, I doubt all these stories will affect peoples’ views of Boris one bit: that he’s a priapic liar is priced in. His opponents are making the same mistake as those thinking that all those IRA stories would harm Corbyn during the last GE. Something more than “Boris is a lech” is needed.
Charlotte Easton (?) could have made these allegations public - or complained to the police - at any point in the last 20 years.
She could have done so during the #metoo campaign a couple of years ago
And yet she chooses to make a word-against-word allegation at a time it will draw the most attention and thereby benefit her career the most while potentially damaging the accused the most
That doesn’t seem equitable to me.
Life is not fair. 20 years ago no-one cared about this stuff. No-one really cared 5 years ago. People like Boris got away with such behaviour because no-one cared, because they had power and women didn’t. So women put up with it. And when they are in a position to get their own back, some of them do.
Of course, it’s not fair. But it’s also not fair for women to have to put up with gross behaviour that would shame any decent man. So if a man doesn’t want journalists bringing up such stories when it is inconvenient or embarrassing perhaps he might try not behaving like a rutting oaf. Just a thought.3 -
Yes it would.Philip_Thompson said:
No it doesn't.Scott_P said:
The NI border needs extraordinary measures to prevent attempts to blow them updyedwoolie said:Not really, he thinks its an amusing comment on the NI border, whereas the fact the government needs extraordinary measures to prevent attempts to blow them up is not really a joking matter
That's the point. You missed it. Again.
Very funny tweet, spot on. Makes its point extremely well.0 -
Exactly , shows how far the Tories have fallen and the state the country is in.DecrepitJohnL said:0 -
I find brexiteer comedian Jethro very funny, but I wouldn't want him for PM. Actually thinking about it, he'd be better than BorisTabman said:Earlier this year I was sat next to a consultant radiologist at a dinner. We had an erudite and far-reaching conversation on cancer treatment.
Then, all of a sudden, she announced she had joined the Conservative Party "in order to vote for Boris". Her enthusiasm for him was positively gushing and almost adolescent. "Giggling" was the nearest adjective I could come up with. A complete transformation from sober professional to star-struck groupie.
This is why the opposition parties have a Johnson problem. "Excitement" is priced in. Sadly. His support is based on him being interesting/funny and delivering Brexit.
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Three, it's not as though the Northern Irish border has ever had a problem with terrorism either, is it?DecrepitJohnL said:0 -
The fact of the matter is that Boris oozes sex, and certain men and women can become highly energized by someone with this trait. I suspect Boris's thigh-fondling antics actually work for him more times than not. It's only when he misreads his target that he falls flat on his face, but he'll probably regard that as a mere occupational hazard.Tabman said:Earlier this year I was sat next to a consultant radiologist at a dinner. We had an erudite and far-reaching conversation on cancer treatment.
Then, all of a sudden, she announced she had joined the Conservative Party "in order to vote for Boris". Her enthusiasm for him was positively gushing and almost adolescent. "Giggling" was the nearest adjective I could come up with. A complete transformation from sober professional to star-struck groupie.
This is why the opposition parties have a Johnson problem. "Excitement" is priced in. Sadly. His support is based on him being interesting/funny and delivering Brexit.0 -
Mrs C and I have discussed this..... being on our own. She'd stay here, here being where we live now. I'd have the cricket season here, the winter in Thailand.malcolmg said:
Sure you can afford it allByronic said:
The inner Hebrides, on a fine summer's day, are quite possibly the most beautiful place on God's green earth. Also the food is markedly improved, as it is elsewhere in our fair British islands.malcolmg said:
LOL, I am never irritable except when confronted by stupidity ( common on here ). We certainly do not get enough sun, but when we do it is exceedingly pleasant , none of your mugginess and crap and no madding crowds to spoil your happiness. I have lived down south and the little extra sun did not make up for the horrible amount of traffic and people. It made it almost impossible to enjoy holidays except in your own garden.Byronic said:
You make a typically elegant and perceptive point, malcolm, nonetheless you are not at liberty to dispute the facts. The chart shows that western Scotland gets the same amount of sun as Yakutia, Siberia. Literally.malcolmg said:
It is still the same bollox as last thread. For someone who lives in the sweltering concrete cesspit of London it really is a hoot.Byronic said:fpt for me
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Byronic said:
This is a rather brilliant essay (with fascinating index) on the best places to live in the world, taking into account weather plus crime, costs, etc
https://medium.com/@BambouClub/which-city-has-the-best-climate-in-the-world-355e013e9e95
Look how badly Ireland, Scotland and northern England do on "irradiation" i.e. sun. Practically unique in the world in their sunlessness, only central south China and the Aleutian Islands are worse.
That is quite impressive in a bad way. Explains the Mancunian character.
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Also worth noting that on sun hours, the bleakness of northern Ireland and western Scotland are only matched by the desolations of Iceland, Newfoundland, Antarctica, and central northern Siberia.
OUTER northern Siberia is, in sun hours, nicer than Glasgow.
Visit Scotland should use this in their advertising. "Come to Scotland, about as pleasant as Novaya Zemlya".
I venture this might explain the tendency to mild irritability in your character.
PS: Yakutia must be a green and pleasant place
PPS: Sun is shining as I post, trees are turning and a fine autumn beckons
It's just that, for me, there isn't enough of these sunny days; even in relatively sunnier London I get immiserated by the grey.
As ever the ideal would be a mix. A London flat plus a nice little home in the Greek islands would suit me. Plus maybe a botlhole in Thailand. And a ranch in Arizona. I don't ask for much.
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Why on Earth should the Queen "sack" Boris Johnson when Parliament could VONC him at any time?JackW said:May I just point out to some frothers down thread the context of Dominic Grieve indicating that the Queen would dismiss Boris.
The Prime Minister had refused to observe the Benn Act, had been taken to the Supreme Court and lost and then refused to accept the judgment, defied the law and refused to resign as Prime Minister.
If Parliament refuses to VONC Boris then I don't see any reason why the Queen should "remove" him.
Sounds like like the Rabble Alliance are just hoping HMQ will do their job for them...1 -
Well, let's stick a hard border up then.AlastairMeeks said:
Three, it's not as though the Northern Irish border has ever had a problem with terrorism either, is it?DecrepitJohnL said:0 -
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o/t (not o/t for you Malc) - v funny from the Graun's rugby coverage of Scots vs Samoa:
The ball, clearly already greasy with sweat or fitted with a jack-in-the-box mechanism, pops out of Sean Maitland’s arms, leading to a Samoa penalty. It’s well inside their own half, but at least allows them to leave it.1 -
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Boris has more charisma than the rest of the Commons put together. That is why he commands five figure sums for corporate speeches.Tabman said:Earlier this year I was sat next to a consultant radiologist at a dinner. We had an erudite and far-reaching conversation on cancer treatment.
Then, all of a sudden, she announced she had joined the Conservative Party "in order to vote for Boris". Her enthusiasm for him was positively gushing and almost adolescent. "Giggling" was the nearest adjective I could come up with. A complete transformation from sober professional to star-struck groupie.
This is why the opposition parties have a Johnson problem. "Excitement" is priced in. Sadly. His support is based on him being interesting/funny and delivering Brexit.
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmregmem/190916/johnson_boris.htm
It is why he can shag his way across London and then be forgiven for it. The Conservative Party hopes it is why he will win a snap election.0 -
Er... suspect HMQ is checking her options for when BoJo refuses to resign after a VoNC.GIN1138 said:
Why on Earth should the Queen "sack" Boris Johnson when Parliament could VONC him at any time?JackW said:May I just point out to some frothers down thread the context of Dominic Grieve indicating that the Queen would dismiss Boris.
The Prime Minister had refused to observe the Benn Act, had been taken to the Supreme Court and lost and then refused to accept the judgment, defied the law and refused to resign as Prime Minister.
If Parliament refuses to VONC Boris then I don't see any reason why the Queen should "remove" him.
Sounds like like the Rabble Alliance are just hoping HMQ will do their job for them...0 -
Male modelling is not THAT lucrative, unfortunatelymalcolmg said:
Sure you can afford it allByronic said:
The inner Hebrides, on a fine summer's day, are quite possibly the most beautiful place on God's green earth. Also the food is markedly improved, as it is elsewhere in our fair British islands.malcolmg said:
LOL, I am never irritable except when confronted by stupidity ( common on here ). We certainly do not get enough sun, but when we do it is exceedingly pleasant , none of your mugginess and crap and no madding crowds to spoil your happiness. I have lived down south and the little extra sun did not make up for the horrible amount of traffic and people. It made it almost impossible to enjoy holidays except in your own garden.Byronic said:
You make a typically elegant and perceptive point, malcolm, nonetheless you are not at liberty to dispute the facts. The chart shows that western Scotland gets the same amount of sun as Yakutia, Siberia. Literally.malcolmg said:
It is still the same bollox as last thread. For someone who lives in the sweltering concrete cesspit of London it really is a hoot.Byronic said:fpt for me
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Byronic said:
This is a rather brilliant essay (with fascinating index) on the best places to live in the world, taking into account weather plus crime, costs, etc
https://medium.com/@BambouClub/which-city-has-the-best-climate-in-the-world-355e013e9e95
Look how badly Ireland, Scotland and northern England do on "irradiation" i.e. sun. Practically unique in the world in their sunlessness, only central south China and the Aleutian Islands are worse.
That is quite impressive in a bad way. Explains the Mancunian character.
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Also worth noting that on sun hours, the bleakness of northern Ireland and western Scotland are only matched by the desolations of Iceland, Newfoundland, Antarctica, and central northern Siberia.
OUTER northern Siberia is, in sun hours, nicer than Glasgow.
Visit Scotland should use this in their advertising. "Come to Scotland, about as pleasant as Novaya Zemlya".
I venture this might explain the tendency to mild irritability in your character.
PS: Yakutia must be a green and pleasant place
PPS: Sun is shining as I post, trees are turning and a fine autumn beckons
It's just that, for me, there isn't enough of these sunny days; even in relatively sunnier London I get immiserated by the grey.
As ever the ideal would be a mix. A London flat plus a nice little home in the Greek islands would suit me. Plus maybe a botlhole in Thailand. And a ranch in Arizona. I don't ask for much.
I may be able to scrape to a little cottage in Pelion, Greece, but that's about it. Mind you. Pelion is sublime
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He doesn't need to resign until the commons votes confidence in a successorBenpointer said:
Er... suspect HMQ is checking her options for when BoJo refuses to resign after a VoNC.GIN1138 said:
Why on Earth should the Queen "sack" Boris Johnson when Parliament could VONC him at any time?JackW said:May I just point out to some frothers down thread the context of Dominic Grieve indicating that the Queen would dismiss Boris.
The Prime Minister had refused to observe the Benn Act, had been taken to the Supreme Court and lost and then refused to accept the judgment, defied the law and refused to resign as Prime Minister.
If Parliament refuses to VONC Boris then I don't see any reason why the Queen should "remove" him.
Sounds like like the Rabble Alliance are just hoping HMQ will do their job for them...0 -
And if he did behave inappropriately when societal norms were different, and it's brought up now, apologise. Whether it's twenty or thirty years ago.Cyclefree said:
Oh, Charles; in the nicest possible manner, genuinely, do grow up!Charles said:
While I agree with that, it is troubling that we have an asymmetric situationCyclefree said:FPT - on Boris’s wandering hands (allegedly):-
If women and girls reported every sexual assault, however minor, to the police, they’d be doing little else from about the age of 12 onwards. And doubtless they’d be criticised for diverting the police from “more important” crimes and/or accused of being hysterical about trivial matters. It is beyond tiresome that women have to - as a matter of routine in pretty much all walks of life - put up with chimpanzee-like behaviour from men of all types. It’d be quite nice if they’d grow up and learn some more civilized mating techniques.
Depressingly, I doubt all these stories will affect peoples’ views of Boris one bit: that he’s a priapic liar is priced in. His opponents are making the same mistake as those thinking that all those IRA stories would harm Corbyn during the last GE. Something more than “Boris is a lech” is needed.
Charlotte Easton (?) could have made these allegations public - or complained to the police - at any point in the last 20 years.
She could have done so during the #metoo campaign a couple of years ago
And yet she chooses to make a word-against-word allegation at a time it will draw the most attention and thereby benefit her career the most while potentially damaging the accused the most
That doesn’t seem equitable to me.
Life is not fair. 20 years ago no-one cared about this stuff. No-one really cared 5 years ago. People like Boris got away with such behaviour because no-one cared, because they had power and women didn’t. So women put up with it. And when they are in a position to get their own back, some of them do.
Of course, it’s not fair. But it’s also not fair for women to have to put up with gross behaviour that would shame any decent man. So if a man doesn’t want journalists bringing up such stories when it is inconvenient or embarrassing perhaps he might try not behaving like a rutting oaf. Just a thought.0 -
Hitler had a lot of charisma apparently.DecrepitJohnL said:
Boris has more charisma than the rest of the Commons put together. That is why he commands five figure sums for corporate speeches.Tabman said:Earlier this year I was sat next to a consultant radiologist at a dinner. We had an erudite and far-reaching conversation on cancer treatment.
Then, all of a sudden, she announced she had joined the Conservative Party "in order to vote for Boris". Her enthusiasm for him was positively gushing and almost adolescent. "Giggling" was the nearest adjective I could come up with. A complete transformation from sober professional to star-struck groupie.
This is why the opposition parties have a Johnson problem. "Excitement" is priced in. Sadly. His support is based on him being interesting/funny and delivering Brexit.
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmregmem/190916/johnson_boris.htm
It is why he can shag his way across London and then be forgiven for it. The Conservative Party hopes it is why he will win a snap election.0 -
“Oozes sex” - I realise I am not his target audience but he seems to me to have all the sex appeal of a boiled potato in a suit. He also looks as if he doesn’t wash often enough.Stark_Dawning said:
The fact of the matter is that Boris oozes sex, and certain men and women can become highly energized by someone with this trait. I suspect Boris's thigh-fondling antics actually work for him more times than not. It's only when he misreads his target that he falls flat on his face, but he'll probably regard that as a mere occupational hazard.Tabman said:Earlier this year I was sat next to a consultant radiologist at a dinner. We had an erudite and far-reaching conversation on cancer treatment.
Then, all of a sudden, she announced she had joined the Conservative Party "in order to vote for Boris". Her enthusiasm for him was positively gushing and almost adolescent. "Giggling" was the nearest adjective I could come up with. A complete transformation from sober professional to star-struck groupie.
This is why the opposition parties have a Johnson problem. "Excitement" is priced in. Sadly. His support is based on him being interesting/funny and delivering Brexit.0 -
Even so, my point still stands.dyedwoolie said:
He doesn't need to resign until the commons votes confidence in a successorBenpointer said:
Er... suspect HMQ is checking her options for when BoJo refuses to resign after a VoNC.GIN1138 said:
Why on Earth should the Queen "sack" Boris Johnson when Parliament could VONC him at any time?JackW said:May I just point out to some frothers down thread the context of Dominic Grieve indicating that the Queen would dismiss Boris.
The Prime Minister had refused to observe the Benn Act, had been taken to the Supreme Court and lost and then refused to accept the judgment, defied the law and refused to resign as Prime Minister.
If Parliament refuses to VONC Boris then I don't see any reason why the Queen should "remove" him.
Sounds like like the Rabble Alliance are just hoping HMQ will do their job for them...0 -
Mr. W, cheers for that quite significant piece of context.
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Many people are attracted to power.Cyclefree said:
“Oozes sex” - I realise I am not his target audience but he seems to me to have all the sex appeal of a boiled potato in a suit. He also looks as if he doesn’t wash often enough.Stark_Dawning said:
The fact of the matter is that Boris oozes sex, and certain men and women can become highly energized by someone with this trait. I suspect Boris's thigh-fondling antics actually work for him more times than not. It's only when he misreads his target that he falls flat on his face, but he'll probably regard that as a mere occupational hazard.Tabman said:Earlier this year I was sat next to a consultant radiologist at a dinner. We had an erudite and far-reaching conversation on cancer treatment.
Then, all of a sudden, she announced she had joined the Conservative Party "in order to vote for Boris". Her enthusiasm for him was positively gushing and almost adolescent. "Giggling" was the nearest adjective I could come up with. A complete transformation from sober professional to star-struck groupie.
This is why the opposition parties have a Johnson problem. "Excitement" is priced in. Sadly. His support is based on him being interesting/funny and delivering Brexit.0 -
.GIN1138 said:
Why on Earth should the Queen "sack" Boris Johnson when Parliament could VONC him at any time?JackW said:May I just point out to some frothers down thread the context of Dominic Grieve indicating that the Queen would dismiss Boris.
The Prime Minister had refused to observe the Benn Act, had been taken to the Supreme Court and lost and then refused to accept the judgment, defied the law and refused to resign as Prime Minister.
If Parliament refuses to VONC Boris then I don't see any reason why the Queen should "remove" him.
Sounds like like the Rabble Alliance are just hoping HMQ will do their job for them...
Quick to wound. But afraid to strike.0 -
Yes, but someone should tell Labour's internal pollster's that internal Labour polling showed Norwich South going blue in 2017 (Clive Lewis has a 15k majority and Coral have my fiver).MarqueeMark said:
Someone should tell the NS that Labour's internal polling (apparently) shows them at risk of losing 100 seats.....Philip_Thompson said:
LOL!!dyedwoolie said:
Easington is 197 on the Labour defence list, it's the 60th safest seat they have. NS are reading the list upside downStark_Dawning said:This was in this week's NS article about Dom and his vision:
Victory for the Tories lies in winning seats far down the list of Labour targets, to make up for the 30 or so MPs they could lose in Scotland and in Remain constituencies in England. For Johnson to win a majority, you have to go about 60 seats down the list of Labour seats that the Tories could win, which is when you get to Easington in the north-east of England.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/09/dominic-cummings-machiavel-downing-street
Easington? Is Dom serious? This all sounds a bit far fetched to me.
Don't think anyone's suggested Labour will go down to fewer than 60 seats remaining. What's next, in order to gain any seats the Tories need to be winning places like Liverpool Walton?0 -
I can see having a few months in the sun during winter being pleasant.OldKingCole said:
Mrs C and I have discussed this..... being on our own. She'd stay here, here being where we live now. I'd have the cricket season here, the winter in Thailand.malcolmg said:
Sure you can afford it allByronic said:
The inner Hebrides, on a fine summer's day, are quite possibly the most beautiful place on God's green earth. Also the food is markedly improved, as it is elsewhere in our fair British islands.malcolmg said:
LOL, I am never irritable except when confronted by stupidity ( common on here ). We certainly do not get enough sun, but when we do it is exceedingly pleasant , none of your mugginess and crap and no madding crowds to spoil your happiness. I have lived down south and the little extra sun did not make up for the horrible amount of traffic and people. It made it almost impossible to enjoy holidays except in your own garden.Byronic said:malcolmg said:
It is still the same bollox as last thread. For someone who lives in the sweltering concrete cesspit of London it really is a hoot.Byronic said:fpt for me
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Byronic said:
This is a rather brilliant essay (with fascinating index) on the best places to live in the world, taking into account weather plus crime, costs, etc
https://medium.com/@BambouClub/which-city-has-the-best-climate-in-the-world-355e013e9e95
Look how badly Ireland, Scotland and northern England do on "irradiation" i.e. sun. Practically unique in the world in their sunlessness, only central south China and the Aleutian Islands are worse.
That is quite impressive in a bad way. Explains the Mancunian character.
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Also worth noting that on sun hours, the bleakness of northern Ireland and western Scotland are only matched by the desolations of Iceland, Newfoundland, Antarctica, and central northern Siberia.
OUTER northern Siberia is, in sun hours, nicer than Glasgow.
Visit Scotland should use this in their advertising. "Come to Scotland, about as pleasant as Novaya Zemlya".
PS: Yakutia must be a green and pleasant place
PPS: Sun is shining as I post, trees are turning and a fine autumn beckons
It's just that, for me, there isn't enough of these sunny days; even in relatively sunnier London I get immiserated by the grey.
As ever the ideal would be a mix. A London flat plus a nice little home in the Greek islands would suit me. Plus maybe a botlhole in Thailand. And a ranch in Arizona. I don't ask for much.0 -
"So what first attracted you to millionaire Paul Daniels?"DecrepitJohnL said:
Boris has more charisma than the rest of the Commons put together. That is why he commands five figure sums for corporate speeches.Tabman said:Earlier this year I was sat next to a consultant radiologist at a dinner. We had an erudite and far-reaching conversation on cancer treatment.
Then, all of a sudden, she announced she had joined the Conservative Party "in order to vote for Boris". Her enthusiasm for him was positively gushing and almost adolescent. "Giggling" was the nearest adjective I could come up with. A complete transformation from sober professional to star-struck groupie.
This is why the opposition parties have a Johnson problem. "Excitement" is priced in. Sadly. His support is based on him being interesting/funny and delivering Brexit.
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmregmem/190916/johnson_boris.htm
It is why he can shag his way across London and then be forgiven for it. The Conservative Party hopes it is why he will win a snap election.
Each to their own, but I guess the sex appeal comes from proximity to power and influence.0 -
He will have (up to) 14 days to resecure the confidence of the House or for someone else to get confidence if they can.Benpointer said:
Er... suspect HMQ is checking her options for when BoJo refuses to resign after a VoNC.GIN1138 said:
Why on Earth should the Queen "sack" Boris Johnson when Parliament could VONC him at any time?JackW said:May I just point out to some frothers down thread the context of Dominic Grieve indicating that the Queen would dismiss Boris.
The Prime Minister had refused to observe the Benn Act, had been taken to the Supreme Court and lost and then refused to accept the judgment, defied the law and refused to resign as Prime Minister.
If Parliament refuses to VONC Boris then I don't see any reason why the Queen should "remove" him.
Sounds like like the Rabble Alliance are just hoping HMQ will do their job for them...
Very unlikely the Queen would get involved while this process is going on.0 -
I'm also minded of the "wardrobe with the key left in the lock" comment.Cyclefree said:
“Oozes sex” - I realise I am not his target audience but he seems to me to have all the sex appeal of a boiled potato in a suit. He also looks as if he doesn’t wash often enough.Stark_Dawning said:
The fact of the matter is that Boris oozes sex, and certain men and women can become highly energized by someone with this trait. I suspect Boris's thigh-fondling antics actually work for him more times than not. It's only when he misreads his target that he falls flat on his face, but he'll probably regard that as a mere occupational hazard.Tabman said:Earlier this year I was sat next to a consultant radiologist at a dinner. We had an erudite and far-reaching conversation on cancer treatment.
Then, all of a sudden, she announced she had joined the Conservative Party "in order to vote for Boris". Her enthusiasm for him was positively gushing and almost adolescent. "Giggling" was the nearest adjective I could come up with. A complete transformation from sober professional to star-struck groupie.
This is why the opposition parties have a Johnson problem. "Excitement" is priced in. Sadly. His support is based on him being interesting/funny and delivering Brexit.0 -
Yes I know that. Still doesn’t make up for smelly blubber all over you.TOPPING said:
Many people are attracted to power.Cyclefree said:
“Oozes sex” - I realise I am not his target audience but he seems to me to have all the sex appeal of a boiled potato in a suit. He also looks as if he doesn’t wash often enough.Stark_Dawning said:
The fact of the matter is that Boris oozes sex, and certain men and women can become highly energized by someone with this trait. I suspect Boris's thigh-fondling antics actually work for him more times than not. It's only when he misreads his target that he falls flat on his face, but he'll probably regard that as a mere occupational hazard.Tabman said:Earlier this year I was sat next to a consultant radiologist at a dinner. We had an erudite and far-reaching conversation on cancer treatment.
Then, all of a sudden, she announced she had joined the Conservative Party "in order to vote for Boris". Her enthusiasm for him was positively gushing and almost adolescent. "Giggling" was the nearest adjective I could come up with. A complete transformation from sober professional to star-struck groupie.
This is why the opposition parties have a Johnson problem. "Excitement" is priced in. Sadly. His support is based on him being interesting/funny and delivering Brexit.
But maybe I’m just being too fussy. 1 -
It does look extremely beautiful.Byronic said:
Male modelling is not THAT lucrative, unfortunatelymalcolmg said:
Sure you can afford it allByronic said:
The inner Hebrides, on a fine summer's day, are quite possibly the most beautiful place on God's green earth. Also the food is markedly improved, as it is elsewhere in our fair British islands.malcolmg said:
LOL, I am never irritable except when confronted by stupidity ( common on here ). We certainly do not get enough sun, but when we do it is exceedingly pleasant , none of your mugginess and crap and no madding crowds to spoil your happiness. I have lived down south and the little extra sun did not make up for the horrible amount of traffic and people. It made it almost impossible to enjoy holidays except in your own garden.Byronic said:
You make a typically elegant and perceptive point, malcolm, nonetheless you are not at liberty to dispute the facts. The chart shows that western Scotland gets the same amount of sun as Yakutia, Siberia. Literally.malcolmg said:
It is still the same bollox as last thread. For someone who lives in the sweltering concrete cesspit of London it really is a hoot.Byronic said:fpt for me
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Byronic said:
This is a rather brilliant essay (with fascinating index) on the best places to live in the world, taking into account weather plus crime, costs, etc
https://medium.com/@BambouClub/which-city-has-the-best-climate-in-the-world-355e013e9e95
Look how badly Ireland, Scotland and northern England do on "irradiation" i.e. sun. Practically unique in the world in their sunlessness, only central south China and the Aleutian Islands are worse.
That is quite impressive in a bad way. Explains the Mancunian character.
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Also worth noting that on sun hours, the bleakness of northern Ireland and western Scotland are only matched by the desolations of Iceland, Newfoundland, Antarctica, and central northern Siberia.
OUTER northern Siberia is, in sun hours, nicer than Glasgow.
Visit Scotland should use this in their advertising. "Come to Scotland, about as pleasant as Novaya Zemlya".
I venture this might explain the tendency to mild irritability in your character.
PS: Yakutia must be a green and pleasant place
PPS: Sun is shining as I post, trees are turning and a fine autumn beckons
It's just that, for me, there isn't enough of these sunny days; even in relatively sunnier London I get immiserated by the grey.
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I remember the 'anyone with a majority under 10,000 is very nervous' comments from 'sources'Drutt said:
Yes, but someone should tell Labour's internal pollster's that internal Labour polling showed Norwich South going blue in 2017 (Clive Lewis has a 15k majority and Coral have my fiver).MarqueeMark said:
Someone should tell the NS that Labour's internal polling (apparently) shows them at risk of losing 100 seats.....Philip_Thompson said:
LOL!!dyedwoolie said:
Easington is 197 on the Labour defence list, it's the 60th safest seat they have. NS are reading the list upside downStark_Dawning said:This was in this week's NS article about Dom and his vision:
Victory for the Tories lies in winning seats far down the list of Labour targets, to make up for the 30 or so MPs they could lose in Scotland and in Remain constituencies in England. For Johnson to win a majority, you have to go about 60 seats down the list of Labour seats that the Tories could win, which is when you get to Easington in the north-east of England.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/09/dominic-cummings-machiavel-downing-street
Easington? Is Dom serious? This all sounds a bit far fetched to me.
Don't think anyone's suggested Labour will go down to fewer than 60 seats remaining. What's next, in order to gain any seats the Tories need to be winning places like Liverpool Walton?0 -
No, but there have been suggestions, not necessarily denied by No. 10, the Boris would still refuse to go. Will of (*) the people and all that.GIN1138 said:
He will have (up to) 14 days to resecure the confidence of the House or for someone else to get confidence if they can.Benpointer said:
Er... suspect HMQ is checking her options for when BoJo refuses to resign after a VoNC.GIN1138 said:
Why on Earth should the Queen "sack" Boris Johnson when Parliament could VONC him at any time?JackW said:May I just point out to some frothers down thread the context of Dominic Grieve indicating that the Queen would dismiss Boris.
The Prime Minister had refused to observe the Benn Act, had been taken to the Supreme Court and lost and then refused to accept the judgment, defied the law and refused to resign as Prime Minister.
If Parliament refuses to VONC Boris then I don't see any reason why the Queen should "remove" him.
Sounds like like the Rabble Alliance are just hoping HMQ will do their job for them...
Very unlikely the Queen would get involved while this process is going on.
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I suppose for one central and fundamental reason :GIN1138 said:
Why on Earth should the Queen "sack" Boris Johnson when Parliament could VONC him at any time?JackW said:May I just point out to some frothers down thread the context of Dominic Grieve indicating that the Queen would dismiss Boris.
The Prime Minister had refused to observe the Benn Act, had been taken to the Supreme Court and lost and then refused to accept the judgment, defied the law and refused to resign as Prime Minister.
If Parliament refuses to VONC Boris then I don't see any reason why the Queen should "remove" him.
Sounds like like the Rabble Alliance are just hoping HMQ will do their job for them...
The Queen might reasonably expect her Prime Minister to set an outstanding example of probity and not to so flagrantly and dismissively break the law in whose name the law stands.
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Not to mention a proclivity for frequenting blind barbers.Cyclefree said:
“Oozes sex” - I realise I am not his target audience but he seems to me to have all the sex appeal of a boiled potato in a suit. He also looks as if he doesn’t wash often enough.Stark_Dawning said:
The fact of the matter is that Boris oozes sex, and certain men and women can become highly energized by someone with this trait. I suspect Boris's thigh-fondling antics actually work for him more times than not. It's only when he misreads his target that he falls flat on his face, but he'll probably regard that as a mere occupational hazard.Tabman said:Earlier this year I was sat next to a consultant radiologist at a dinner. We had an erudite and far-reaching conversation on cancer treatment.
Then, all of a sudden, she announced she had joined the Conservative Party "in order to vote for Boris". Her enthusiasm for him was positively gushing and almost adolescent. "Giggling" was the nearest adjective I could come up with. A complete transformation from sober professional to star-struck groupie.
This is why the opposition parties have a Johnson problem. "Excitement" is priced in. Sadly. His support is based on him being interesting/funny and delivering Brexit.0 -
Maggie T was apparently desired by many. I dont see it myself.0
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Boris was at it at Oxford. Power might help but in his case it is not needed.Tabman said:
"So what first attracted you to millionaire Paul Daniels?"DecrepitJohnL said:
Boris has more charisma than the rest of the Commons put together. That is why he commands five figure sums for corporate speeches.Tabman said:Earlier this year I was sat next to a consultant radiologist at a dinner. We had an erudite and far-reaching conversation on cancer treatment.
Then, all of a sudden, she announced she had joined the Conservative Party "in order to vote for Boris". Her enthusiasm for him was positively gushing and almost adolescent. "Giggling" was the nearest adjective I could come up with. A complete transformation from sober professional to star-struck groupie.
This is why the opposition parties have a Johnson problem. "Excitement" is priced in. Sadly. His support is based on him being interesting/funny and delivering Brexit.
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmregmem/190916/johnson_boris.htm
It is why he can shag his way across London and then be forgiven for it. The Conservative Party hopes it is why he will win a snap election.
Each to their own, but I guess the sex appeal comes from proximity to power and influence.0 -
One of the favourite get-out plans for Boris for the past few days was Boris resigns and insists someone else becomes PM.dyedwoolie said:
He doesn't need to resign until the commons votes confidence in a successorBenpointer said:
Er... suspect HMQ is checking her options for when BoJo refuses to resign after a VoNC.GIN1138 said:
Why on Earth should the Queen "sack" Boris Johnson when Parliament could VONC him at any time?JackW said:May I just point out to some frothers down thread the context of Dominic Grieve indicating that the Queen would dismiss Boris.
The Prime Minister had refused to observe the Benn Act, had been taken to the Supreme Court and lost and then refused to accept the judgment, defied the law and refused to resign as Prime Minister.
If Parliament refuses to VONC Boris then I don't see any reason why the Queen should "remove" him.
Sounds like like the Rabble Alliance are just hoping HMQ will do their job for them...
As we always have a PM I'm at a loss as to how that works if no one else takes the poison chalice that is being PM as an extension is asked for.0 -
Paging Byronic & Others
The 10 dullest cities in Europe (Sunlight hours)
4 London, England - 1,410
5 Manchester, England - 1,416
6 Dublin, Ireland - 1,424
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps-and-graphics/mapped-the-sunniest-and-dullest-cities-in-europe/0 -
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Wasn’t that said of Sir Nicholas Soames?Tabman said:
I'm also minded of the "wardrobe with the key left in the lock" comment.Cyclefree said:
“Oozes sex” - I realise I am not his target audience but he seems to me to have all the sex appeal of a boiled potato in a suit. He also looks as if he doesn’t wash often enough.Stark_Dawning said:
The fact of the matter is that Boris oozes sex, and certain men and women can become highly energized by someone with this trait. I suspect Boris's thigh-fondling antics actually work for him more times than not. It's only when he misreads his target that he falls flat on his face, but he'll probably regard that as a mere occupational hazard.Tabman said:Earlier this year I was sat next to a consultant radiologist at a dinner. We had an erudite and far-reaching conversation on cancer treatment.
Then, all of a sudden, she announced she had joined the Conservative Party "in order to vote for Boris". Her enthusiasm for him was positively gushing and almost adolescent. "Giggling" was the nearest adjective I could come up with. A complete transformation from sober professional to star-struck groupie.
This is why the opposition parties have a Johnson problem. "Excitement" is priced in. Sadly. His support is based on him being interesting/funny and delivering Brexit.
Anyway give me a scented rose over a smelly man any day of the week. Boris is the bindweed of politics. No matter what you he keeps coming back.0 -
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why would anyone waste their time doing that?kinabalu said:
Do you follow Lammy on Facebook?Brom said:David Lammy is a good reason why politicians need to stop using twitter and the BBC need to stop pandering to it. Facebook though far from perfect is a better place for politicians to provide a message for voters.
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He may be a ruthless sh1t, but Bors is also genuinely funny. You can charm a girl into bed with laughter. Add that to the power, money and influence, and there you go.Tabman said:
"So what first attracted you to millionaire Paul Daniels?"DecrepitJohnL said:
Boris has more charisma than the rest of the Commons put together. That is why he commands five figure sums for corporate speeches.Tabman said:Earlier this year I was sat next to a consultant radiologist at a dinner. We had an erudite and far-reaching conversation on cancer treatment.
Then, all of a sudden, she announced she had joined the Conservative Party "in order to vote for Boris". Her enthusiasm for him was positively gushing and almost adolescent. "Giggling" was the nearest adjective I could come up with. A complete transformation from sober professional to star-struck groupie.
This is why the opposition parties have a Johnson problem. "Excitement" is priced in. Sadly. His support is based on him being interesting/funny and delivering Brexit.
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmregmem/190916/johnson_boris.htm
It is why he can shag his way across London and then be forgiven for it. The Conservative Party hopes it is why he will win a snap election.
Each to their own, but I guess the sex appeal comes from proximity to power and influence.0 -
If he resigns he resigns. In the absence of a successor the reserved powers revert to HMQ, liz would have to send it. Hence she will 'insist' the LOTO attempt to form a government and if it's no confidenced, electionseek said:
One of the favourite get-out plans for Boris for the past few days was Boris resigns and insists someone else becomes PM.dyedwoolie said:
He doesn't need to resign until the commons votes confidence in a successorBenpointer said:
Er... suspect HMQ is checking her options for when BoJo refuses to resign after a VoNC.GIN1138 said:
Why on Earth should the Queen "sack" Boris Johnson when Parliament could VONC him at any time?JackW said:May I just point out to some frothers down thread the context of Dominic Grieve indicating that the Queen would dismiss Boris.
The Prime Minister had refused to observe the Benn Act, had been taken to the Supreme Court and lost and then refused to accept the judgment, defied the law and refused to resign as Prime Minister.
If Parliament refuses to VONC Boris then I don't see any reason why the Queen should "remove" him.
Sounds like like the Rabble Alliance are just hoping HMQ will do their job for them...
As we always have a PM I'm at a loss as to how that works if no one else takes the poison chalice that is being PM as an extension is asked for.0 -
I think there's a lot of wishful thinking going on here Lord W.JackW said:
I suppose for one central and fundamental reason :GIN1138 said:
Why on Earth should the Queen "sack" Boris Johnson when Parliament could VONC him at any time?JackW said:May I just point out to some frothers down thread the context of Dominic Grieve indicating that the Queen would dismiss Boris.
The Prime Minister had refused to observe the Benn Act, had been taken to the Supreme Court and lost and then refused to accept the judgment, defied the law and refused to resign as Prime Minister.
If Parliament refuses to VONC Boris then I don't see any reason why the Queen should "remove" him.
Sounds like like the Rabble Alliance are just hoping HMQ will do their job for them...
The Queen might reasonably expect her Prime Minister to set an outstanding example of probity and not to so flagrantly and dismissively break the law in whose name the law stands.
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more your type ?Cyclefree said:
Yes I know that. Still doesn’t make up for smelly blubber all over you.TOPPING said:
Many people are attracted to power.Cyclefree said:
“Oozes sex” - I realise I am not his target audience but he seems to me to have all the sex appeal of a boiled potato in a suit. He also looks as if he doesn’t wash often enough.Stark_Dawning said:
The fact of the matter is that Boris oozes sex, and certain men and women can become highly energized by someone with this trait. I suspect Boris's thigh-fondling antics actually work for him more times than not. It's only when he misreads his target that he falls flat on his face, but he'll probably regard that as a mere occupational hazard.Tabman said:Earlier this year I was sat next to a consultant radiologist at a dinner. We had an erudite and far-reaching conversation on cancer treatment.
Then, all of a sudden, she announced she had joined the Conservative Party "in order to vote for Boris". Her enthusiasm for him was positively gushing and almost adolescent. "Giggling" was the nearest adjective I could come up with. A complete transformation from sober professional to star-struck groupie.
This is why the opposition parties have a Johnson problem. "Excitement" is priced in. Sadly. His support is based on him being interesting/funny and delivering Brexit.
But maybe I’m just being too fussy.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/president-hollandes-relationship-with-julie-gayet-goes-back-more-than-two-years-9066489.html1 -
And looking as if he gets dressed by walking into a wardrobe with glue on his body.Streeter said:
Not to mention a proclivity for frequenting blind barbers.Cyclefree said:
“Oozes sex” - I realise I am not his target audience but he seems to me to have all the sex appeal of a boiled potato in a suit. He also looks as if he doesn’t wash often enough.Stark_Dawning said:
The fact of the matter is that Boris oozes sex, and certain men and women can become highly energized by someone with this trait. I suspect Boris's thigh-fondling antics actually work for him more times than not. It's only when he misreads his target that he falls flat on his face, but he'll probably regard that as a mere occupational hazard.Tabman said:Earlier this year I was sat next to a consultant radiologist at a dinner. We had an erudite and far-reaching conversation on cancer treatment.
Then, all of a sudden, she announced she had joined the Conservative Party "in order to vote for Boris". Her enthusiasm for him was positively gushing and almost adolescent. "Giggling" was the nearest adjective I could come up with. A complete transformation from sober professional to star-struck groupie.
This is why the opposition parties have a Johnson problem. "Excitement" is priced in. Sadly. His support is based on him being interesting/funny and delivering Brexit.0 -
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At Oxford he was an "it" boy - posh*, well connected and seeking the Oxford version of power (President of the Union Society). I saw it's reflection at Cambridge.DecrepitJohnL said:
Boris was at it at Oxford. Power might help but in his case it is not needed.Tabman said:
"So what first attracted you to millionaire Paul Daniels?"DecrepitJohnL said:
Boris has more charisma than the rest of the Commons put together. That is why he commands five figure sums for corporate speeches.Tabman said:Earlier this year I was sat next to a consultant radiologist at a dinner. We had an erudite and far-reaching conversation on cancer treatment.
Then, all of a sudden, she announced she had joined the Conservative Party "in order to vote for Boris". Her enthusiasm for him was positively gushing and almost adolescent. "Giggling" was the nearest adjective I could come up with. A complete transformation from sober professional to star-struck groupie.
This is why the opposition parties have a Johnson problem. "Excitement" is priced in. Sadly. His support is based on him being interesting/funny and delivering Brexit.
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmregmem/190916/johnson_boris.htm
It is why he can shag his way across London and then be forgiven for it. The Conservative Party hopes it is why he will win a snap election.
Each to their own, but I guess the sex appeal comes from proximity to power and influence.
It maybe just the photos we see from the time, but he also appeared more svelte and better-dressed and coiffed than currently. Which is not unusual in a male between the ages of 20 and 55.
*-in simulacrum form
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Those figures for London look suspect. 1,632 hours according to the Met Office.Pulpstar said:Paging Byronic & Others
The 10 dullest cities in Europe (Sunlight hours)
4 London, England - 1,410
5 Manchester, England - 1,416
6 Dublin, Ireland - 1,424
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps-and-graphics/mapped-the-sunniest-and-dullest-cities-in-europe/0 -
I'm nor sure the comments on Boris physical appearance would be quite so acceptable if they were about Jo Swinson or another frontline female politician0
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These parody accounts are just getting ludicrous.Scott_P said:0 -
Politics is showbusiness for ugly people.Cyclefree said:
“Oozes sex” - I realise I am not his target audience but he seems to me to have all the sex appeal of a boiled potato in a suit. He also looks as if he doesn’t wash often enough.Stark_Dawning said:
The fact of the matter is that Boris oozes sex, and certain men and women can become highly energized by someone with this trait. I suspect Boris's thigh-fondling antics actually work for him more times than not. It's only when he misreads his target that he falls flat on his face, but he'll probably regard that as a mere occupational hazard.Tabman said:Earlier this year I was sat next to a consultant radiologist at a dinner. We had an erudite and far-reaching conversation on cancer treatment.
Then, all of a sudden, she announced she had joined the Conservative Party "in order to vote for Boris". Her enthusiasm for him was positively gushing and almost adolescent. "Giggling" was the nearest adjective I could come up with. A complete transformation from sober professional to star-struck groupie.
This is why the opposition parties have a Johnson problem. "Excitement" is priced in. Sadly. His support is based on him being interesting/funny and delivering Brexit.0 -
Nope.Alanbrooke said:
more your type ?Cyclefree said:
Yes I know that. Still doesn’t make up for smelly blubber all over you.TOPPING said:
Many people are attracted to power.Cyclefree said:
“Oozes sex” - I realise I am not his target audience but he seems to me to have all the sex appeal of a boiled potato in a suit. He also looks as if he doesn’t wash often enough.Stark_Dawning said:
The fact of the matter is that Boris oozes sex, and certain men and women can become highly energized by someone with this trait. I suspect Boris's thigh-fondling antics actually work for him more times than not. It's only when he misreads his target that he falls flat on his face, but he'll probably regard that as a mere occupational hazard.Tabman said:Earlier this year I was sat next to a consultant radiologist at a dinner. We had an erudite and far-reaching conversation on cancer treatment.
Then, all of a sudden, she announced she had joined the Conservative Party "in order to vote for Boris". Her enthusiasm for him was positively gushing and almost adolescent. "Giggling" was the nearest adjective I could come up with. A complete transformation from sober professional to star-struck groupie.
This is why the opposition parties have a Johnson problem. "Excitement" is priced in. Sadly. His support is based on him being interesting/funny and delivering Brexit.
But maybe I’m just being too fussy.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/president-hollandes-relationship-with-julie-gayet-goes-back-more-than-two-years-9066489.html0 -
I'll take your word for it. It's just that my freedom to live and work in other countries will soon be somewhat constrained...Byronic said:Male modelling is not THAT lucrative, unfortunately. I may be able to scrape to a little cottage in Pelion, Greece, but that's about it. Mind you. Pelion is sublime
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Ah. That'll explain my Millions of Women Weren't Waiting To Meet Me.Byronic said:
He may be a ruthless sh1t, but Bors is also genuinely funny. You can charm a girl into bed with laughter. Add that to the power, money and influence, and there you go.Tabman said:
"So what first attracted you to millionaire Paul Daniels?"DecrepitJohnL said:
Boris has more charisma than the rest of the Commons put together. That is why he commands five figure sums for corporate speeches.Tabman said:Earlier this year I was sat next to a consultant radiologist at a dinner. We had an erudite and far-reaching conversation on cancer treatment.
Then, all of a sudden, she announced she had joined the Conservative Party "in order to vote for Boris". Her enthusiasm for him was positively gushing and almost adolescent. "Giggling" was the nearest adjective I could come up with. A complete transformation from sober professional to star-struck groupie.
This is why the opposition parties have a Johnson problem. "Excitement" is priced in. Sadly. His support is based on him being interesting/funny and delivering Brexit.
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmregmem/190916/johnson_boris.htm
It is why he can shag his way across London and then be forgiven for it. The Conservative Party hopes it is why he will win a snap election.
Each to their own, but I guess the sex appeal comes from proximity to power and influence.
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That is a nonsensical list. London obviously gets more sun than Manchester or Dublin!Pulpstar said:Paging Byronic & Others
The 10 dullest cities in Europe (Sunlight hours)
4 London, England - 1,410
5 Manchester, England - 1,416
6 Dublin, Ireland - 1,424
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps-and-graphics/mapped-the-sunniest-and-dullest-cities-in-europe/
EDIT: after some Googling, it looks like these stats are unreliable (perhaps old). There is no hard and fast answer, but it looks like London gets 1500-1600 hours of sun a year with Manchester and Dublin about 1300-1400.
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He was a Vietnam kind of paedoTheuniondivvie said:0 -
Do keep up.dyedwoolie said:I'm nor sure the comments on Boris physical appearance would be quite so acceptable if they were about Jo Swinson or another frontline female politician
Women are by definition not sexist, and men are by definition not allowed to be victims ;-) .0 -
In the same way that a pig can orgasm for thirty minutes continuously, I experienced reflux from start to finish when digesting that tweet.Scott_P said:0 -
It was indeed, but I think may also be applicable more widely (if you'll pardon the pun). I'm sure there's a joke there about roses, men and small pricks, but I can't think of one. Perhaps @Byronic will oblige.Cyclefree said:
Wasn’t that said of Sir Nicholas Soames?Tabman said:
I'm also minded of the "wardrobe with the key left in the lock" comment.Cyclefree said:
“Oozes sex” - I realise I am not his target audience but he seems to me to have all the sex appeal of a boiled potato in a suit. He also looks as if he doesn’t wash often enough.Stark_Dawning said:
The fact of the matter is that Boris oozes sex, and certain men and women can become highly energized by someone with this trait. I suspect Boris's thigh-fondling antics actually work for him more times than not. It's only when he misreads his target that he falls flat on his face, but he'll probably regard that as a mere occupational hazard.Tabman said:Earlier this year I was sat next to a consultant radiologist at a dinner. We had an erudite and far-reaching conversation on cancer treatment.
Then, all of a sudden, she announced she had joined the Conservative Party "in order to vote for Boris". Her enthusiasm for him was positively gushing and almost adolescent. "Giggling" was the nearest adjective I could come up with. A complete transformation from sober professional to star-struck groupie.
This is why the opposition parties have a Johnson problem. "Excitement" is priced in. Sadly. His support is based on him being interesting/funny and delivering Brexit.
Anyway give me a scented rose over a smelly man any day of the week. Boris is the bindweed of politics. No matter what you he keeps coming back.0 -
I'll be submitting a reading for the solar today, will be able to work out average irradiance back calculating from thatBenpointer said:
Those figures for London look suspect. 1,632 hours according to the Met Office.Pulpstar said:Paging Byronic & Others
The 10 dullest cities in Europe (Sunlight hours)
4 London, England - 1,410
5 Manchester, England - 1,416
6 Dublin, Ireland - 1,424
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps-and-graphics/mapped-the-sunniest-and-dullest-cities-in-europe/0 -
I stand corrected!MattW said:
Do keep up.dyedwoolie said:I'm nor sure the comments on Boris physical appearance would be quite so acceptable if they were about Jo Swinson or another frontline female politician
Women are by definition not sexist, and men are by definition not allowed to be victims ;-) .0 -
There are some nice places in Thailand without necessarily getting mixed up in 'that sort of thing'!dyedwoolie said:
He was a Vietnam kind of paedoTheuniondivvie said:0 -
Oh I am quite prepared to criticise a woman’s looks as well.dyedwoolie said:I'm nor sure the comments on Boris physical appearance would be quite so acceptable if they were about Jo Swinson or another frontline female politician
Jo’s earrings are a little distracting. And her teeth are a bit gummy. She should do something about her hair. But generally she looks fine.
Nicola Sturgeon always looks very well-groomed.
Most people in public life are appallingly dressed and groomed. Why? It doesn’t take much effort and mirrors are not that expensive. It's not as if many of them are obviously spending the time saved on improving their intellects.
And now, having been rude about everyone on an equal opportunities basis, I must be off.0 -
Would not appear to me to be the most obvious sex symbol, which makes me think he must be a fantastic salesman/negotiator. How else does he manage to attract so many women?Cyclefree said:
“Oozes sex” - I realise I am not his target audience but he seems to me to have all the sex appeal of a boiled potato in a suit. He also looks as if he doesn’t wash often enough.Stark_Dawning said:
The fact of the matter is that Boris oozes sex, and certain men and women can become highly energized by someone with this trait. I suspect Boris's thigh-fondling antics actually work for him more times than not. It's only when he misreads his target that he falls flat on his face, but he'll probably regard that as a mere occupational hazard.Tabman said:Earlier this year I was sat next to a consultant radiologist at a dinner. We had an erudite and far-reaching conversation on cancer treatment.
Then, all of a sudden, she announced she had joined the Conservative Party "in order to vote for Boris". Her enthusiasm for him was positively gushing and almost adolescent. "Giggling" was the nearest adjective I could come up with. A complete transformation from sober professional to star-struck groupie.
This is why the opposition parties have a Johnson problem. "Excitement" is priced in. Sadly. His support is based on him being interesting/funny and delivering Brexit.0 -
Her attorney general advised it would have been unlawful for her not to extend against the expressed wishes of parliament. Not all PMs are as willing to break the law as our current charlatan, in her mind she was forced.Philip_Thompson said:
Theresa May wasn't forced. She voluntarily suggested, called a vote for, and then voted for an extension.anothernick said:
When Theresa May was forced by her opponents to delay Brexit she was doomed. Hard to see how Boris escapes the same fate.Philip_Thompson said:
Doesn't it make you pause and think that everyone here saying that post-October 31 would be fatal is a remainer who wishes it to be fatal?TOPPING said:
Good post. I am in the latter group of disaffected Cons supporters you describe. Plus it has been my contention that post-October 31 would be fatal for Boris. Perhaps I am overestimating the resolution of some Brexiters while underestimating Nigel's efficacy. The latter though a dangerous path.Bournville said:Traditional LAB/CON switchers won't be the primary Tory targets in the next election. Firstly, because the Labour vote is close to its extremely sticky floor of around 20%, and most of those voters are never going to switch to the Conservatives. Secondly, because the bulk of voters who have left the Conservatives since 2017 have gone to the Lib Dems or Brexit Party, it makes far more sense to target those voters who have at least demonstrated that they're willing to vote Conservative in a pinch.
My expectation is that the Tories will continue to squeeze the Brexit Party vote by arguing that only Boris Johnson can deliver Brexit, and squeeze Tory-LD switchers by arguing that Johnson is better than Corbyn. And, of course, coming up with some generous post-Brexit spending pledges to squeeze both.
Furthermore, you might almost think that having Parliament force an extension which Johnson can credibly argue to Leave voters he didn't want and did everything he could to prevent, giving him an extra couple months to hold an election without worrying about a no deal Brexit in the middle of the campaign while reinforcing the People VS Parliament narrative he needs to win back Conservatives who have gone over to the Brexit Party, plays right into his hands.
I think the path for Johnson is very narrow, but I wouldn't write his chances off.
I don't see anyone who supports Boris suggesting that an extension forced by his opponents would hurt him rather than play into his hands.0 -
Sadly the Telegraph have blundered by using data from an unreliable source. The maps from the Met Office tell a different story.Pulpstar said:Paging Byronic & Others
The 10 dullest cities in Europe (Sunlight hours)
4 London, England - 1,410
5 Manchester, England - 1,416
6 Dublin, Ireland - 1,424
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps-and-graphics/mapped-the-sunniest-and-dullest-cities-in-europe/0 -
No it doesn't, since there's no plans to put infrastructure on the border, there's nothing to blow up! What are they going to blow up if there's no infrastructure to attack?TOPPING said:
Yes it would.Philip_Thompson said:
No it doesn't.Scott_P said:
The NI border needs extraordinary measures to prevent attempts to blow them updyedwoolie said:Not really, he thinks its an amusing comment on the NI border, whereas the fact the government needs extraordinary measures to prevent attempts to blow them up is not really a joking matter
That's the point. You missed it. Again.
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Give Trump a run for his money?isam said:
Would not appear to me to be the most obvious sex symbol, which makes me think he must be a fantastic salesman/negotiator. How else does he manage to attract so many women?Cyclefree said:
“Oozes sex” - I realise I am not his target audience but he seems to me to have all the sex appeal of a boiled potato in a suit. He also looks as if he doesn’t wash often enough.Stark_Dawning said:
The fact of the matter is that Boris oozes sex, and certain men and women can become highly energized by someone with this trait. I suspect Boris's thigh-fondling antics actually work for him more times than not. It's only when he misreads his target that he falls flat on his face, but he'll probably regard that as a mere occupational hazard.Tabman said:Earlier this year I was sat next to a consultant radiologist at a dinner. We had an erudite and far-reaching conversation on cancer treatment.
Then, all of a sudden, she announced she had joined the Conservative Party "in order to vote for Boris". Her enthusiasm for him was positively gushing and almost adolescent. "Giggling" was the nearest adjective I could come up with. A complete transformation from sober professional to star-struck groupie.
This is why the opposition parties have a Johnson problem. "Excitement" is priced in. Sadly. His support is based on him being interesting/funny and delivering Brexit.0 -
Clearly you're not prepared to criticise women as well, because you've only been mildly nasty to Jo and positively pleasant to Sturgeon, while describing Boris as being "smelly blubber", which is pretty fucking offensive, by any double standard.Cyclefree said:
Oh I am quite prepared to criticise a woman’s looks as well.dyedwoolie said:I'm nor sure the comments on Boris physical appearance would be quite so acceptable if they were about Jo Swinson or another frontline female politician
Jo’s earrings are a little distracting. And her teeth are a bit gummy. She should do something about her hair. But generally she looks fine.
Nicola Sturgeon always looks very well-groomed.
Most people in public life are appallingly dressed and groomed. Why? It doesn’t take much effort and mirrors are not that expensive. It's not as if many of them are obviously spending the time saved on improving their intellects.
And now, having been rude about everyone on an equal opportunities basis, I must be off.0 -
Oozes sex was the comment not sex APPEAL.Cyclefree said:“Oozes sex” - I realise I am not his target audience but he seems to me to have all the sex appeal of a boiled potato in a suit. He also looks as if he doesn’t wash often enough.
Which he probably does. After all, as you point out, he does not appear to wash.0 -
Yes, that's much more sensible. There's a little pocket around Eastbourne which gets 1900 hours of sun a year - almost Mediterranean. Meanwhile, parts of western Scotland get under 900 hours a year, which is on a par, for bleakness, with southwestern Alaska.OblitusSumMe said:
Sadly the Telegraph have blundered by using data from an unreliable source. The maps from the Met Office tell a different story.Pulpstar said:Paging Byronic & Others
The 10 dullest cities in Europe (Sunlight hours)
4 London, England - 1,410
5 Manchester, England - 1,416
6 Dublin, Ireland - 1,424
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps-and-graphics/mapped-the-sunniest-and-dullest-cities-in-europe/0 -
And having secured a large majority - backing will dissipate quickly once the public realises the WA was just the appetiser and more hard choices will be needed as future relationship is sorted (YOU SAID BREXIT WOULD BE DONE! WTF?) . But Boris won't care. He will have his majority.Richard_Nabavi said:Whilst Mike makes a good point, the converse is that the Conservative support is (for now at least) more solid and less divided than that of the opposition parties, simply because of the concentration and enthusiasm of the pro-Brexit vote.
Whether this will persist beyond the 31st October depends a lot on what happens in the next few weeks. If we crash out with No Deal, support for the Tories will dissipate rapidly as the naive optimism about crash-out bumps into reality. If there is an extension, then everything will depend on how well Boris manages to finesse away his breaking of the 'do-or-die' pledge and blame it on the big boys being nasty to him, but I am sure there will be some hit to his support.
Of course, if he somehow manages to make Houdini look like a bumbling amateur at escapology by leaving with a deal on October 31st, then he will win a massive majority and deservedly so. The main problem with pinning your hopes on this is that the opposition parties aren't completely stupid. The second problem is that there isn't enough time.0 -
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Yeah! Right on. Let's march.Byronic said:
Clearly you're not prepared to criticise women as well, because you've only been mildly nasty to Jo and positively pleasant to Sturgeon, while describing Boris as being "smelly blubber", which is pretty fucking offensive, by any double standard.Cyclefree said:
Oh I am quite prepared to criticise a woman’s looks as well.dyedwoolie said:I'm nor sure the comments on Boris physical appearance would be quite so acceptable if they were about Jo Swinson or another frontline female politician
Jo’s earrings are a little distracting. And her teeth are a bit gummy. She should do something about her hair. But generally she looks fine.
Nicola Sturgeon always looks very well-groomed.
Most people in public life are appallingly dressed and groomed. Why? It doesn’t take much effort and mirrors are not that expensive. It's not as if many of them are obviously spending the time saved on improving their intellects.
And now, having been rude about everyone on an equal opportunities basis, I must be off.0
