Doesn't it make you pause and think that everyone here saying that post-October 31 would be fatal is a remainer who wishes it to be fatal?.
It's not just the earnest desirings of diehard Remainers, Philip. There's speculative polling [I know] that says Boris wins big if he delivers by October 31st, but loses if he doesn't.
My opinion on speculative polling it they're not worth the paper its printed on.
But I think much depends entirely on why we extend, if we do, and who is blamed.
Theresa May was rightly blamed for an extension as she chose to extend. Someone claimed early she was forced to extend but that's not true, there was a free vote in Parliament rather than whipping against extension, and she on a free vote chose to extend and then promptly went to Europe and requested and agreed the extension, twice.
Boris voted against extension then and is whipping against it now. The speculative polling could be speculating that he choose to extend like May did, but if it happens despite rather than because of his best efforts its hard to argue with that.
Not really, he thinks its an amusing comment on the NI border, whereas the fact the government needs extraordinary measures to prevent attempts to blow them up is not really a joking matter
The NI border needs extraordinary measures to prevent attempts to blow them up
That's the point. You missed it. Again.
No it doesn't.
Yes it would.
Very funny tweet, spot on. Makes its point extremely well.
No it doesn't, since there's no plans to put infrastructure on the border, there's nothing to blow up! What are they going to blow up if there's no infrastructure to attack?
Doesn't it make you pause and think that everyone here saying that post-October 31 would be fatal is a remainer who wishes it to be fatal?.
It's not just the earnest desirings of diehard Remainers, Philip. There's speculative polling [I know] that says Boris wins big if he delivers by October 31st, but loses if he doesn't.
My opinion on speculative polling it they're not worth the paper its printed on.
But I think much depends entirely on why we extend, if we do, and who is blamed.
Theresa May was rightly blamed for an extension as she chose to extend. Someone claimed early she was forced to extend but that's not true, there was a free vote in Parliament rather than whipping against extension, and she on a free vote chose to extend and then promptly went to Europe and requested and agreed the extension, twice.
Boris voted against extension then and is whipping against it now. The speculative polling could be speculating that he choose to extend like May did, but if it happens despite rather than because of his best efforts its hard to argue with that.
"Do or die" doesn't lend itself to nuance or degrees of interpretation.
Earlier this year I was sat next to a consultant radiologist at a dinner. We had an erudite and far-reaching conversation on cancer treatment.
ation from sober professional to star-struck groupie.
This is why the opposition parties have a Johnson problem. "Excitement" is priced in. Sadly. His support is based on him being interesting/funny and delivering Brexit.
The fact of the matter is that Boris oozes sex, and certain men and women can become highly energized by someone with this trait. I suspect Boris's thigh-fondling antics actually work for him more times than not. It's only when he misreads his target that he falls flat on his face, but he'll probably regard that as a mere occupational hazard.
“Oozes sex” - I realise I am not his target audience but he seems to me to have all the sex appeal of a boiled potato in a suit. He also looks as if he doesn’t wash often enough.
Would not appear to me to be the most obvious sex symbol, which makes me think he must be a fantastic salesman/negotiator. How else does he manage to attract so many women?
Earlier this year I was sat next to a consultant radiologist at a dinner. We had an erudite and far-reaching conversation on cancer treatment.
Then, all of a sudden, she announced she had joined the Conservative Party "in order to vote for Boris". Her enthusiasm for him was positively gushing and almost adolescent. "Giggling" was the nearest adjective I could come up with. A complete transformation from sober professional to star-struck groupie.
This is why the opposition parties have a Johnson problem. "Excitement" is priced in. Sadly. His support is based on him being interesting/funny and delivering Brexit.
The fact of the matter is that Boris oozes sex, and certain men and women can become highly energized by someone with this trait. I suspect Boris's thigh-fondling antics actually work for him more times than not. It's only when he misreads his target that he falls flat on his face, but he'll probably regard that as a mere occupational hazard.
“Oozes sex” - I realise I am not his target audience but he seems to me to have all the sex appeal of a boiled potato in a suit. He also looks as if he doesn’t wash often enough.
Would not appear to me to be the most obvious sex symbol, which makes me think he must be a fantastic salesman/negotiator. How else does he manage to attract so many women?
I think something along the lines of 'what first attracted you to your millionaire partner' might be relevant.
Theresa May wasn't forced. She voluntarily suggested, called a vote for, and then voted for an extension.
Her attorney general advised it would have been unlawful for her not to extend against the expressed wishes of parliament. Not all PMs are as willing to break the law as our current charlatan, in her mind she was forced.
But the express wishes of Parliament were her wishes.
Not really, he thinks its an amusing comment on the NI border, whereas the fact the government needs extraordinary measures to prevent attempts to blow them up is not really a joking matter
The NI border needs extraordinary measures to prevent attempts to blow them up
That's the point. You missed it. Again.
No it doesn't.
Yes it would.
Very funny tweet, spot on. Makes its point extremely well.
No it doesn't, since there's no plans to put infrastructure on the border, there's nothing to blow up! What are they going to blow up if there's no infrastructure to attack?
indeed Europe in general is strikingly sunless. Even cities which we regard as being pleasant and sunny, weatherwise, do badly. e.g. Paris gets just 1662 hours, which would make it in one of the dullest cities in all of Asia. Africa or the Americas.
Not really, he thinks its an amusing comment on the NI border, whereas the fact the government needs extraordinary measures to prevent attempts to blow them up is not really a joking matter
The NI border needs extraordinary measures to prevent attempts to blow them up
That's the point. You missed it. Again.
No it doesn't.
Yes it would.
Very funny tweet, spot on. Makes its point extremely well.
No it doesn't, since there's no plans to put infrastructure on the border, there's nothing to blow up! What are they going to blow up if there's no infrastructure to attack?
It would = infrastructure.
Which is why that tweet is so funny.
But look if you don't get it that's cool.
Leavers seem to struggle with humour. Not their fault I guess.
Not really, he thinks its an amusing comment on the NI border, whereas the fact the government needs extraordinary measures to prevent attempts to blow them up is not really a joking matter
The NI border needs extraordinary measures to prevent attempts to blow them up
That's the point. You missed it. Again.
No it doesn't.
Yes it would.
Very funny tweet, spot on. Makes its point extremely well.
No it doesn't, since there's no plans to put infrastructure on the border, there's nothing to blow up! What are they going to blow up if there's no infrastructure to attack?
It would = infrastructure.
Which is why that tweet is so funny.
But look if you don't get it that's cool.
Nobodys worried about borders when you can just kidnap and torture the locals
Not really, he thinks its an amusing comment on the NI border, whereas the fact the government needs extraordinary measures to prevent attempts to blow them up is not really a joking matter
The NI border needs extraordinary measures to prevent attempts to blow them up
That's the point. You missed it. Again.
No it doesn't.
Yes it would.
Very funny tweet, spot on. Makes its point extremely well.
No it doesn't, since there's no plans to put infrastructure on the border, there's nothing to blow up! What are they going to blow up if there's no infrastructure to attack?
It would = infrastructure.
Which is why that tweet is so funny.
But look if you don't get it that's cool.
No infrastructure, nothing to bomb.
You keep pretending there will be infrastructure.
I have no idea if there will be infrastructure. If there can be none that is of course fantastic. If all the requisite checks can be done with no regulatory alignment and no hard border that would be great.
In much the same way that if they could somehow check people going into the Conservative Party conference without fuck off big steel gates, that would also be fantastic.
Earlier this year I was sat next to a consultant radiologist at a dinner. We had an erudite and far-reaching conversation on cancer treatment.
ation from sober professional to star-struck groupie.
This is why the opposition parties have a Johnson problem. "Excitement" is priced in. Sadly. His support is based on him being interesting/funny and delivering Brexit.
The fact of the matter is thatrd.
often enough.
Would not appear to me to be the most obvious sex symbol, which makes me think he must be a fantastic salesman/negotiator. How else does he manage to attract so many women?
Earlier this year I was sat next to a consultant radiologist at a dinner. We had an erudite and far-reaching conversation on cancer treatment.
Then, all of a sudden, she announced she had joined the Conservative Party "in order to vote for Boris". Her enthusiasm for him was positively gushing and almost adolescent. "Giggling" was the nearest adjective I could come up with. A complete transformation from sober professional to star-struck groupie.
This is why the opposition parties have a Johnson problem. "Excitement" is priced in. Sadly. His support is based on him being interesting/funny and delivering Brexit.
The fact of the matter is that Boris oozes sex, and certain men and women can become highly energized by someone with this trait. I suspect Boris's thigh-fondling antics actually work for him more times than not. It's only when he misreads his target that he falls flat on his face, but he'll probably regard that as a mere occupational hazard.
“Oozes sex” - I realise I am not his target audience but he seems to me to have all the sex appeal of a boiled potato in a suit. He also looks as if he doesn’t wash often enough.
Would not appear to me to be the most obvious sex symbol, which makes me think he must be a fantastic salesman/negotiator. How else does he manage to attract so many women?
I think something along the lines of 'what first attracted you to your millionaire partner' might be relevant.
I don’t think so. The women Boris dates/snogs/Marries weren’t cleaning toilets for £6ph before he met them. I’d say they have their choice of millionaires in the circles in which they mix. Thrice married Jeremy Corbyn obviously has something too, and Farage. None of them ostensibly attractive to my eye, but all attract many women... and at the top of the tree in their chosen career. I’d say it’s because they are beguiling characters
May I just point out to some frothers down thread the context of Dominic Grieve indicating that the Queen would dismiss Boris.
The Prime Minister had refused to observe the Benn Act, had been taken to the Supreme Court and lost and then refused to accept the judgment, defied the law and refused to resign as Prime Minister.
What would the electorate make of a House of Commons that got to that point and then required HM the Queen to do its work for them? This is not going to happen.
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Not really, he thinks its an amusing comment on the NI border, whereas the fact the government needs extraordinary measures to prevent attempts to blow them up is not really a joking matter
The NI border needs extraordinary measures to prevent attempts to blow them up
That's the point. You missed it. Again.
No it doesn't.
Yes it would.
Very funny tweet, spot on. Makes its point extremely well.
No it doesn't, since there's no plans to put infrastructure on the border, there's nothing to blow up! What are they going to blow up if there's no infrastructure to attack?
It would = infrastructure.
Which is why that tweet is so funny.
But look if you don't get it that's cool.
Nobodys worried about borders when you can just kidnap and torture the locals
Surprising how much of a pimply adolescent Boris looked at Oxford, even when we was dating Allegra, the most beautiful female undergraduate of that intake.
Earlier this year I was sat next to a consultant radiologist at a dinner. We had an erudite and far-reaching conversation on cancer treatment.
Then, all of a sudden, she announced she had joined the Conservative Party "in order to vote for Boris". Her enthusiasm for him was positively gushing and almost adolescent. "Giggling" was the nearest adjective I could come up with. A complete transformation from sober professional to star-struck groupie.
This is why the opposition parties have a Johnson problem. "Excitement" is priced in. Sadly. His support is based on him being interesting/funny and delivering Brexit.
The fact of the matter is that Boris oozes sex, and certain men and women can become highly energized by someone with this trait. I suspect Boris's thigh-fondling antics actually work for him more times than not. It's only when he misreads his target that he falls flat on his face, but he'll probably regard that as a mere occupational hazard.
“Oozes sex” - I realise I am not his target audience but he seems to me to have all the sex appeal of a boiled potato in a suit. He also looks as if he doesn’t wash often enough.
Would not appear to me to be the most obvious sex symbol, which makes me think he must be a fantastic salesman/negotiator. How else does he manage to attract so many women?
If “spaffed” is not synonymous with “ejaculated”, as Boris implies, what does it mean then?
It is synonymous with ejaculation, but it's also a turn of phrase implying waste. Amazing how woke and prurient the media become when it fits the narrative. If I refer to throwing the baby out with the bathwater I'm not endorsing abandoning children.
Why? So you can invent a law that makes it illegal?
Pesky laws, eh?
When parliament starts trying to act as the executive it's time to peg them back.
I'm sure constitutional lawyers can more readily pick holes in such a proposition.
In the meantime the public have delivered a parliament which can make such decisions.
The point is parliaments job is to review the outcome of Brexit negotiations, not seek to direct them. They are not the executive and have none of the prerogative powers of the executive
Not really, he thinks its an amusing comment on the NI border, whereas the fact the government needs extraordinary measures to prevent attempts to blow them up is not really a joking matter
The NI border needs extraordinary measures to prevent attempts to blow them up
That's the point. You missed it. Again.
No it doesn't.
Yes it would.
Very funny tweet, spot on. Makes its point extremely well.
No it doesn't, since there's no plans to put infrastructure on the border, there's nothing to blow up! What are they going to blow up if there's no infrastructure to attack?
It would = infrastructure.
Which is why that tweet is so funny.
But look if you don't get it that's cool.
Nobodys worried about borders when you can just kidnap and torture the locals
quite vicious attack, broke his leg, pulled out nails smacked him about and used acid. No coverage as far as I can see in mainsteam UK media even though he was kidnapped on UK side of the border.
And then some politican will appear talking about the peace.
Doesn't it make you pause and think that everyone here saying that post-October 31 would be fatal is a remainer who wishes it to be fatal?.
It's not just the earnest desirings of diehard Remainers, Philip. There's speculative polling [I know] that says Boris wins big if he delivers by October 31st, but loses if he doesn't.
My opinion on speculative polling it they're not worth the paper its printed on.
But I think much depends entirely on why we extend, if we do, and who is blamed.
Theresa May was rightly blamed for an extension as she chose to extend. Someone claimed early she was forced to extend but that's not true, there was a free vote in Parliament rather than whipping against extension, and she on a free vote chose to extend and then promptly went to Europe and requested and agreed the extension, twice.
Boris voted against extension then and is whipping against it now. The speculative polling could be speculating that he choose to extend like May did, but if it happens despite rather than because of his best efforts its hard to argue with that.
"Do or die" doesn't lend itself to nuance or degrees of interpretation.
No. And "Parliament ate my homework" is not hugely convincing as an excuse.
If “spaffed” is not synonymous with “ejaculated”, as Boris implies, what does it mean then?
It is synonymous with ejaculation, but it's also a turn of phrase implying waste. Amazing how woke and prurient the media become when it fits the narrative. If I refer to throwing the baby out with the bathwater I'm not endorsing abandoning children.
In the context of child sexual abuse perhaps another metaphor or simile would have been more appropriate? That’s not prurient surely? Even “pissed up the wall”, while offensive, would have been more acceptable
Absolutely astonished that OGH takes a dataset from the Ashcroft sample that includes Labour Remainers who will never vote for Boris and completely ignores the figures for Labour Leave voters who back Boris as best PM over Corbyn by 42% to 23% and only 30% of whom say they will definitely vote Labour at the next general election.
If “spaffed” is not synonymous with “ejaculated”, as Boris implies, what does it mean then?
It is synonymous with ejaculation, but it's also a turn of phrase implying waste. Amazing how woke and prurient the media become when it fits the narrative. If I refer to throwing the baby out with the bathwater I'm not endorsing abandoning children.
In the context of child sexual abuse perhaps another metaphor or simile would have been more appropriate? That’s not prurient surely? Even “pissed up the wall”, while offensive, would have been more acceptable
If “spaffed” is not synonymous with “ejaculated”, as Boris implies, what does it mean then?
It is synonymous with ejaculation, but it's also a turn of phrase implying waste. Amazing how woke and prurient the media become when it fits the narrative. If I refer to throwing the baby out with the bathwater I'm not endorsing abandoning children.
In the context of child sexual abuse perhaps another metaphor or simile would have been more appropriate? That’s not prurient surely? Even “pissed up the wall”, while offensive, would have been more acceptable
If “spaffed” is not synonymous with “ejaculated”, as Boris implies, what does it mean then?
It is synonymous with ejaculation, but it's also a turn of phrase implying waste. Amazing how woke and prurient the media become when it fits the narrative. If I refer to throwing the baby out with the bathwater I'm not endorsing abandoning children.
In the context of child sexual abuse perhaps another metaphor or simile would have been more appropriate? That’s not prurient surely? Even “pissed up the wall”, while offensive, would have been more acceptable
Probably, but it's not really a huge deal imo. They are trying to make it so
May I just point out to some frothers down thread the context of Dominic Grieve indicating that the Queen would dismiss Boris.
The Prime Minister had refused to observe the Benn Act, had been taken to the Supreme Court and lost and then refused to accept the judgment, defied the law and refused to resign as Prime Minister.
What would the electorate make of a House of Commons that got to that point and then required HM the Queen to do its work for them? This is not going to happen.
Parliament has passed a law. The PM must obey the law. Law makers cannot be law breakers.
In the context I noted it would have been Boris who placed the Queen in the position to dismiss him. I would imagine the Attorney General would have resigned because of Boris's actions.
Absolutely astonished that OGH takes a dataset from the Ashcroft sample that includes Labour Remainers who will never vote for Boris and completely ignores the figures for Labour Leave voters who back Boris as best PM over Corbyn by 42% to 23% and only 30% of whom say they will definitely vote Labour at the next general election.
Why? So you can invent a law that makes it illegal?
Pesky laws, eh?
When parliament starts trying to act as the executive it's time to peg them back.
You can’t. The executive is subordinate to Parliament, which is sovereign, and can make whatever laws it likes (theoretically).
I'm referring to the sovereign electorate pegging them back
What are you talking about?
That parliament is overstepping and at the forthcoming election the actual sovereign power in the UK, the electorate, are likely to make their feelings about it clear
Boris is completely right, and "Steve Anglesey" is a tit
"Contactless payments were first launched on London's buses in December 2012. TfL (Transport for London) states that each day there are around 69,000 payments made using contactless on London Buses."
Why? So you can invent a law that makes it illegal?
Pesky laws, eh?
When parliament starts trying to act as the executive it's time to peg them back.
You can’t. The executive is subordinate to Parliament, which is sovereign, and can make whatever laws it likes (theoretically).
I'm referring to the sovereign electorate pegging them back
I’ve heard the phrase a lot but so far as I am aware the electorate isn’t sovereign. Parliament can, after all, decide who is an elector. If you mean there should be a GE, just say so, but unfortunately the executive agreed to surrender the timing of the same to Parliament.
Why? So you can invent a law that makes it illegal?
Pesky laws, eh?
When parliament starts trying to act as the executive it's time to peg them back.
You can’t. The executive is subordinate to Parliament, which is sovereign, and can make whatever laws it likes (theoretically).
I'm referring to the sovereign electorate pegging them back
What are you talking about?
That parliament is overstepping and at the forthcoming election the actual sovereign power in the UK, the electorate, are likely to make their feelings about it clear
Maybe maybe not. But we currently have the parliament we have.
indeed Europe in general is strikingly sunless. Even cities which we regard as being pleasant and sunny, weatherwise, do badly. e.g. Paris gets just 1662 hours, which would make it in one of the dullest cities in all of Asia. Africa or the Americas.
Unskilled working class DE voters voted for Brexit in 2016 they also voted for Corbyn Labour in 2017, it was skilled working class C2 voters who voted the most strongly for both Brexit as the link shows and the Tories in 2017
Earlier this year I was sat next to a consultant radiologist at a dinner. We had an erudite and far-reaching conversation on cancer treatment.
groupie.
interesting/funny and delivering Brexit.
The fact of the matter is thatrd.
often enough.
Would not appear to me to be the most obvious sex symbol, which makes me think he must be a fantastic salesman/negotiator. How else does he manage to attract so many women?
Earlier this year I was sat next to a consultant radiologist at a dinner. We had an erudite and far-reaching conversation on cancer treatment.
Then, all of a sudden, she announced she had joined the Conservative Party "in order to vote for Boris". Her enthusiasm for him was positively gushing and almost adolescent. "Giggling" was the nearest adjective I could come up with. A complete transformation from sober professional to star-struck groupie.
This is why the opposition parties have a Johnson problem. "Excitement" is priced in. Sadly. His support is based on him being interesting/funny and delivering Brexit.
The fact of the matter is that Boris oozes sex, and certain men and women can become highly energized by someone with this trait. I suspect Boris's thigh-fondling antics actually work for him more times than not. It's only when he misreads his target that he falls flat on his face, but he'll probably regard that as a mere occupational hazard.
“Oozes sex” - I realise I am not his target audience but he seems to me to have all the sex appeal of a boiled potato in a suit. He also looks as if he doesn’t wash often enough.
Would not appear to me to be the most obvious sex symbol, which makes me think he must be a fantastic salesman/negotiator. How else does he manage to attract so many women?
I think something along the lines of 'what first attracted you to your millionaire partner' might be relevant.
I don’t think so. The women Boris dates/snogs/Marries weren’t cleaning toilets for £6ph before he met them. I’d say they have their choice of millionaires in the circles in which they mix. Thrice married Jeremy Corbyn obviously has something too, and Farage. None of them ostensibly attractive to my eye, but all attract many women... and at the top of the tree in their chosen career. I’d say it’s because they are beguiling characters
It was just an opportunity to crack the old joke. I would agree with you.
Unskilled working class DE voters voted for Brexit in 2016 they also voted for Corbyn Labour in 2017, it was skilled working class C2 voters who voted for both Brexit and the Tories in 2017
What demographic voted remain (2016) and then Conservative (2017)?
Unskilled working class DE voters voted for Brexit in 2016 they also voted for Corbyn Labour in 2017, it was skilled working class C2 voters who voted for both Brexit and the Tories in 2017
What demographic voted remain (2016) and then Conservative (2017)?
Upper middle class ABs, the demographic the LDs now poll most strongly in, though the Tories still lead Labour with ABs
I'm nor sure the comments on Boris physical appearance would be quite so acceptable if they were about Jo Swinson or another frontline female politician
Oh I am quite prepared to criticise a woman’s looks as well.
Jo’s earrings are a little distracting. And her teeth are a bit gummy. She should do something about her hair. But generally she looks fine.
Nicola Sturgeon always looks very well-groomed.
Most people in public life are appallingly dressed and groomed. Why? It doesn’t take much effort and mirrors are not that expensive. It's not as if many of them are obviously spending the time saved on improving their intellects.
And now, having been rude about everyone on an equal opportunities basis, I must be off.
Bourgeois nonsense. If the Sturge practised what she preached on the environment she would have a smaller wardrobe and have kept her waistline in better check. Effort in appearance is all fakery. I take it you're not a big fan of Houellebecq?
I don’t think so. The women Boris dates/snogs/Marries weren’t cleaning toilets for £6ph before he met them. I’d say they have their choice of millionaires in the circles in which they mix. Thrice married Jeremy Corbyn obviously has something too, and Farage. None of them ostensibly attractive to my eye, but all attract many women... and at the top of the tree in their chosen career. I’d say it’s because they are beguiling characters
If I recall correctly, you're an estate agent (or have I mixed you up with someone else? Apols if I have). Given that, I assume you're familiar with the concept of "trading up".
Boris is charming, fun, reasonably intelligent, famous and very wealthy. Which is why he is so good at courtship. He is out of shape, but not so much (yet!) as to become repulsive. However he does have serious personality problems (see previous posts) which is why all his relationships have ended badly and his previous partners do not speak well of him. It is possible that Boris will be lonely in old age.
Conversely, Farage is not attractive and while not actually repulsive he is in the category of men who are not the first choice physically. However he has fewer personality problems and better personal characteristics, which is why his relationships are longer and has fewer regretful ex-partners. Provided you're willing to overlook his poorer looks and you share his prejudices, Farage is the better bet.
Absolutely astonished that OGH takes a dataset from the Ashcroft sample that includes Labour Remainers who will never vote for Boris and completely ignores the figures for Labour Leave voters who back Boris as best PM over Corbyn by 42% to 23% and only 30% of whom say they will definitely vote Labour at the next general election.
Unskilled working class DE voters voted for Brexit in 2016 they also voted for Corbyn Labour in 2017, it was skilled working class C2 voters who voted for both Brexit and the Tories in 2017
What demographic voted remain (2016) and then Conservative (2017)?
Upper middle class ABs, the demographic the LDs now poll most strongly in
And are you, as an upper middle class AB, thinking of joining the LDs?
Boris is completely right, and "Steve Anglesey" is a tit
"Contactless payments were first launched on London's buses in December 2012. TfL (Transport for London) states that each day there are around 69,000 payments made using contactless on London Buses."
Next.
The confusion is because if your interpretation is correct he is calling contactless bank cards Oyster. Oyster is differnet and was around for a lot longer.
I think he is probably just using confused terminology but given his nature cant blame a cynic for assuming he is trying to grab the plaudits for both contactless and Oyster.
Boris is completely right, and "Steve Anglesey" is a tit
"Contactless payments were first launched on London's buses in December 2012. TfL (Transport for London) states that each day there are around 69,000 payments made using contactless on London Buses."
Next.
Next, you're wrong.
Oyster Cards were introduced in buses in 2004. Contactless debit and credit cards as an alternative to Oyster in 2012.
Is there any chance that Boris is playing this straight? That is he doesn't have a cunning plan to avoid the Benn bill and isn't being an idiot by pretending he has, but simply wants to give the message to Europe that he will leave with no deal (even though he can't) so appears to the EU of putting himself in the position that he claims the Benn bill has ruined for him of threatening the EU with a no deal.
Boris is completely right, and "Steve Anglesey" is a tit
"Contactless payments were first launched on London's buses in December 2012. TfL (Transport for London) states that each day there are around 69,000 payments made using contactless on London Buses."
Next.
The confusion is because if your interpretation is correct he is calling contactless bank cards Oyster. Oyster is differnet and was around for a lot longer.
I think he is probably just using confused terminology but given his nature cant blame a cynic for assuming he is trying to grab the plaudits for both contactless and Oyster.
Plus he cut short his aides' briefing on using the tube.
That Boris Johnson "oyster card" tweet, so eagerly repeated by the slavish Scott P, is an intriguing example of social media fake news.
It is almost completely wrong. Boris is clearly referring to contactless cards (while explaining to the interviewer that = oyster cards). Boris is entirely right that he oversaw their introduction from 2012 on.
Yet this provably erroneous tweet claiming that he lied, already has 2k likes and endless retweets: it has gone viral. And thus a new meme enters the political sphere, spun from falsehoods.
Why? So you can invent a law that makes it illegal?
Pesky laws, eh?
When parliament starts trying to act as the executive it's time to peg them back.
You can’t. The executive is subordinate to Parliament, which is sovereign, and can make whatever laws it likes (theoretically).
I'm referring to the sovereign electorate pegging them back
I’ve heard the phrase a lot but so far as I am aware the electorate isn’t sovereign. Parliament can, after all, decide who is an elector. If you mean there should be a GE, just say so, but unfortunately the executive agreed to surrender the timing of the same to Parliament.
Hmm... struggling to find time to read the thread but doesn’t current polling indicate 50-60 Labour losses to the Tories? Mike may well be right that Brexit is not even the principal driver of this but the Tories will be perfectly happy if it is anti-semetism, an apparent desire to appropriate private property, the apparent intention of removing almost all immigration controls, spending policies that make the Boris/Sajid splurge look fiscally conservative, whatever. There are lots and lots of good reasons not to vote Labour, whatever your view of Brexit.
That Boris Johnson "oyster card" tweet, so eagerly repeated by the slavish Scott P, is an intriguing example of social media fake news.
It is almost completely wrong. Boris is clearly referring to contactless cards (while explaining to the interviewer that = oyster cards). Boris is entirely right that he oversaw their introduction from 2012 on.
Yet this provably erroneous tweet claiming that he lied, already has 2k likes and endless retweets: it has gone viral. And thus a new meme enters the political sphere, spun from falsehoods.
Both sides do it.
It was clueless (confusing Oyster cards with contactless credit/debit cards). Not a lie. But then as an ex mayor of London how's he expected to know that stuff?
Unskilled working class DE voters voted for Brexit in 2016 they also voted for Corbyn Labour in 2017, it was skilled working class C2 voters who voted for both Brexit and the Tories in 2017
What demographic voted remain (2016) and then Conservative (2017)?
Upper middle class ABs, the demographic the LDs now poll most strongly in
And are you, as an upper middle class AB, thinking of joining the LDs?
Of course not, however it is true that both the Tories under Boris and GOP under Trump get their biggest support from lower middle class and skilled working class voters, lead more narrowly with upper middle class voters and still trail Labour and the Democrats with poor and unskilled working class voters
Is there any chance that Boris is playing this straight? That is he doesn't have a cunning plan to avoid the Benn bill and isn't being an idiot by pretending he has, but simply wants to give the message to Europe that he will leave with no deal (even though he can't) so appears to the EU of putting himself in the position that he claims the Benn bill has ruined for him of threatening the EU with a no deal.
I wouldn't refer to a big old bluff like that as "playing it straight" but yeah, that's probably part of what he's doing.
The other part would be that he's committed to the deadline, and can't think of a good way to back down, so he's just sticking with the previous message and hoping something lucky happens.
Unskilled working class DE voters voted for Brexit in 2016 they also voted for Corbyn Labour in 2017, it was skilled working class C2 voters who voted for both Brexit and the Tories in 2017
What demographic voted remain (2016) and then Conservative (2017)?
Upper middle class ABs, the demographic the LDs now poll most strongly in
And are you, as an upper middle class AB, thinking of joining the LDs?
One rarely commented upon aspect of this is that it will tend to drag the LDs to the libertarian and fiscally conservative right, and away from the social democrat left over time. Just as the Conservatives move into the economically and culturally conservative space; the LDs will move into the equivalent liberal space.
I suspect they’ll become much more like the Free Democrats in Germany.
Boris is completely right, and "Steve Anglesey" is a tit
"Contactless payments were first launched on London's buses in December 2012. TfL (Transport for London) states that each day there are around 69,000 payments made using contactless on London Buses."
Next.
Next, you're wrong.
Oyster Cards were introduced in buses in 2004. Contactless debit and credit cards as an alternative to Oyster in 2012.
No, he obviously means contactless, and says that, but for the better understanding of the interviewer he contextualises it as meaning Oyster.
Only someone utterly determined to hate him and disbelieve him could interpret it any other way. However, he has lots of people who DO hate him and disbelieve him, even when he is right, so I guess he just has to live with the political weather he helped to create.
Unskilled working class DE voters voted for Brexit in 2016 they also voted for Corbyn Labour in 2017, it was skilled working class C2 voters who voted for both Brexit and the Tories in 2017
What demographic voted remain (2016) and then Conservative (2017)?
Upper middle class ABs, the demographic the LDs now poll most strongly in
And are you, as an upper middle class AB, thinking of joining the LDs?
Did buses have oyster in 2003? Not sure, but it may have been on the tube first.
IIRC it was Oyster on the Tube, then bus, and much later national rail stations. Then contactless card support (credit and debit) was added. Then things like Google Pay and Apple Pay (officially so it was integrated into the online TfL services, rather than it just happened to work). About that time weekly and daily capping came in too.
So there has never been a date when you could say the job of supporting "contactless payments on TfL" was done. Some of the progress took place on BoJo's watch, how much credit he deserves for that is up to others to judge. FWIW I think almost all of this would have happened irrespective of who was the Mayor at the time.
Unskilled working class DE voters voted for Brexit in 2016 they also voted for Corbyn Labour in 2017, it was skilled working class C2 voters who voted for both Brexit and the Tories in 2017
So the people most likely to vote for Boris in 2019 are those who will be worst hit by a No Deal Brexit.
If women and girls reported every sexual assault, however minor, to the police, they’d be doing little else from about the age of 12 onwards. And doubtless they’d be criticised for diverting the police from “more important” crimes and/or accused of being hysterical about trivial matters. It is beyond tiresome that women have to - as a matter of routine in pretty much all walks of life - put up with chimpanzee-like behaviour from men of all types. It’d be quite nice if they’d grow up and learn some more civilized mating techniques.
Depressingly, I doubt all these stories will affect peoples’ views of Boris one bit: that he’s a priapic liar is priced in. His opponents are making the same mistake as those thinking that all those IRA stories would harm Corbyn during the last GE. Something more than “Boris is a lech” is needed.
While I agree with that, it is troubling that we have an asymmetric situation
Charlotte Easton (?) could have made these allegations public - or complained to the police - at any point in the last 20 years.
She could have done so during the #metoo campaign a couple of years ago
And yet she chooses to make a word-against-word allegation at a time it will draw the most attention and thereby benefit her career the most while potentially damaging the accused the most
That doesn’t seem equitable to me.
She can want to have done those things in your penultimate paragraph without detracting from the significance of the event.
A (bad) analogy would be if people were talking about, say, the amount of sunlight in one or other european capitals and you said that every time you had been to Paris it had been raining. You wouldn't have said that during any other conversation but it was relevant and of interest to people at that moment.
That's what I was trying to express in that I agree with @Cyclefree
I'm not detracting from the seriousness of the allegation itself.
But I am troubled by the asymmetry of the impact - I'm broadly supportive of anonymity until charged in legal proceedings. Here she just wrote the comment in an article in a magazine knowing it would be picked up.
Unskilled working class DE voters voted for Brexit in 2016 they also voted for Corbyn Labour in 2017, it was skilled working class C2 voters who voted for both Brexit and the Tories in 2017
What demographic voted remain (2016) and then Conservative (2017)?
Upper middle class ABs, the demographic the LDs now poll most strongly in
And are you, as an upper middle class AB, thinking of joining the LDs?
One rarely commented upon aspect of this is that it will tend to drag the LDs to the libertarian and fiscally conservative right, and away from the social democrat left over time. Just as the Conservatives move into the economically and culturally conservative space; the LDs will move into the equivalent liberal space.
I suspect they’ll become much more like the Free Democrats in Germany.
I think this is right and as we have seen with Philip Lee it can cause problems.
That Boris Johnson "oyster card" tweet, so eagerly repeated by the slavish Scott P, is an intriguing example of social media fake news.
It is almost completely wrong. Boris is clearly referring to contactless cards (while explaining to the interviewer that = oyster cards). Boris is entirely right that he oversaw their introduction from 2012 on.
Yet this provably erroneous tweet claiming that he lied, already has 2k likes and endless retweets: it has gone viral. And thus a new meme enters the political sphere, spun from falsehoods.
Both sides do it.
It's hardly the worst thing he's ever done, and it may well be an honest error, but it isn't true that he introduced Oyster Cards on buses. As explained below, debit and credit cards in 2012, but Oyster contactless cards in 2004, pre-Boris.
I don’t understand the BBC judgment on this. The BBC were quite clear that it was correct to describe Trump’s words as racist. As Trump describes himself as the least racists person ever, the only possible conclusion is that he used them for political effect.
The fact that the UK is no longer measles free is one of the clearest examples of how irrationality is making a comeback in western societies, probably thanks to social media.
Unskilled working class DE voters voted for Brexit in 2016 they also voted for Corbyn Labour in 2017, it was skilled working class C2 voters who voted for both Brexit and the Tories in 2017
What demographic voted remain (2016) and then Conservative (2017)?
Upper middle class ABs, the demographic the LDs now poll most strongly in
And are you, as an upper middle class AB, thinking of joining the LDs?
One rarely commented upon aspect of this is that it will tend to drag the LDs to the libertarian and fiscally conservative right, and away from the social democrat left over time. Just as the Conservatives move into the economically and culturally conservative space; the LDs will move into the equivalent liberal space.
I suspect they’ll become much more like the Free Democrats in Germany.
I believe the social liberals are already worrying about this.
Unskilled working class DE voters voted for Brexit in 2016 they also voted for Corbyn Labour in 2017, it was skilled working class C2 voters who voted for both Brexit and the Tories in 2017
What demographic voted remain (2016) and then Conservative (2017)?
Upper middle class ABs, the demographic the LDs now poll most strongly in
And are you, as an upper middle class AB, thinking of joining the LDs?
One rarely commented upon aspect of this is that it will tend to drag the LDs to the libertarian and fiscally conservative right, and away from the social democrat left over time. Just as the Conservatives move into the economically and culturally conservative space; the LDs will move into the equivalent liberal space.
I suspect they’ll become much more like the Free Democrats in Germany.
I believe the social liberals are already worrying about this.
It’s either that or the LDs don’t hoover up those soft Tory Remain votes in the South.
The social (democratic) liberals will probably decant to the Greens/Labour over time, I’d have thought.
Boris is completely right, and "Steve Anglesey" is a tit
"Contactless payments were first launched on London's buses in December 2012. TfL (Transport for London) states that each day there are around 69,000 payments made using contactless on London Buses."
Next.
Next, you're wrong.
Oyster Cards were introduced in buses in 2004. Contactless debit and credit cards as an alternative to Oyster in 2012.
No, he obviously means contactless, and says that, but for the better understanding of the interviewer he contextualises it as meaning Oyster.
Only someone utterly determined to hate him and disbelieve him could interpret it any other way. However, he has lots of people who DO hate him and disbelieve him, even when he is right, so I guess he just has to live with the political weather he helped to create.
Sounds like he would be an ideal person to negotiate a trade deal with such great attention to detail and accuracy.
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But I think much depends entirely on why we extend, if we do, and who is blamed.
Theresa May was rightly blamed for an extension as she chose to extend. Someone claimed early she was forced to extend but that's not true, there was a free vote in Parliament rather than whipping against extension, and she on a free vote chose to extend and then promptly went to Europe and requested and agreed the extension, twice.
Boris voted against extension then and is whipping against it now. The speculative polling could be speculating that he choose to extend like May did, but if it happens despite rather than because of his best efforts its hard to argue with that.
Which is why that tweet is so funny.
But look if you don't get it that's cool.
Why? So you can invent a law that makes it illegal?
BTW the Queen has sacked an Australian PM so I would imagine a British one would be no problem at all.
When Parliament voted to extend Article 50 she was a part of the majority who voted in favour, she went into the Aye lobby to request an extension: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2019/mar/12/how-did-your-mp-vote-in-the-march-brexit-votes
To request an extension was vote 8 on that list, all the MPs who voted Aye to that are green in column 8 including one Theresa May (Maidenhead).
You keep pretending there will be infrastructure.
London gets 1633 hours a year, which is better than Dublin or Manchester but still pretty bleak by global standards
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_sunshine_duration
indeed Europe in general is strikingly sunless. Even cities which we regard as being pleasant and sunny, weatherwise, do badly. e.g. Paris gets just 1662 hours, which would make it in one of the dullest cities in all of Asia. Africa or the Americas.
Yes, I have a geeky interest in this subject.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/person-who-paid-lunney-torture-gang-must-be-brought-to-heel-quinn-director-1.4028157
your old patch I think
In much the same way that if they could somehow check people going into the Conservative Party conference without fuck off big steel gates, that would also be fantastic.
Marlene Dietrich
Marilyn Monroe
Brigitte Bardot
Doris Day
Billie Jean
Samantha Fox
Joan Collins
Kiki Dee
Katharine Hepburn
Vivian Leigh
Grace Jones
Priscilla Presley
Vanessa Williams
Dusty Springfield
Nancy Reagan
Rita Hayworth
Petula Clark
Julie Andrews
Superwoman
Annie Lennox
Mata Hari
Anouska Hempel
Shirley Temple
Tallulah Bankhead
Linda Lovelace
Little Eva
Natassia Kinski
Princess Caroline of Monaco
Miss Pat Verness
Elsie Tanner
https://ta-images.condecdn.net/image/N5xVqAA6Lqa/crop/1800/f/hires-homepage-allegra-and-boris-johnson-dafydd-joenes.jpg
In the meantime the public have delivered a parliament which can make such decisions.
And then some politican will appear talking about the peace.
https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/09/state-of-the-nation-my-new-polling-on-the-political-landscape-and-the-battle-lines-for-the-next-election/
Those are great numbers for Tory candidates targeting Labour Leave seats and terrible news for Corbyn Labour
In the context I noted it would have been Boris who placed the Queen in the position to dismiss him. I would imagine the Attorney General would have resigned because of Boris's actions.
https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/f812d9cc57c2e4c43f1366174af436cd21fdae45/0_226_5184_3110/master/5184.jpg?width=620&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=262ddb1eb6c060b4aacfba7ce46d5287
Could be running the country within weeks.
"Contactless payments were first launched on London's buses in December 2012. TfL (Transport for London) states that each day there are around 69,000 payments made using contactless on London Buses."
Next.
So, did any of our fellow named pb’ers go?
Boris is charming, fun, reasonably intelligent, famous and very wealthy. Which is why he is so good at courtship. He is out of shape, but not so much (yet!) as to become repulsive. However he does have serious personality problems (see previous posts) which is why all his relationships have ended badly and his previous partners do not speak well of him. It is possible that Boris will be lonely in old age.
Conversely, Farage is not attractive and while not actually repulsive he is in the category of men who are not the first choice physically. However he has fewer personality problems and better personal characteristics, which is why his relationships are longer and has fewer regretful ex-partners. Provided you're willing to overlook his poorer looks and you share his prejudices, Farage is the better bet.
I think he is probably just using confused terminology but given his nature cant blame a cynic for assuming he is trying to grab the plaudits for both contactless and Oyster.
Oyster Cards were introduced in buses in 2004. Contactless debit and credit cards as an alternative to Oyster in 2012.
It is almost completely wrong. Boris is clearly referring to contactless cards (while explaining to the interviewer that = oyster cards). Boris is entirely right that he oversaw their introduction from 2012 on.
Yet this provably erroneous tweet claiming that he lied, already has 2k likes and endless retweets: it has gone viral. And thus a new meme enters the political sphere, spun from falsehoods.
Both sides do it.
When parliament is dissolved sovereignty is placed back to the electorate who then determine the composition of the following sovereign parliament.
The other part would be that he's committed to the deadline, and can't think of a good way to back down, so he's just sticking with the previous message and hoping something lucky happens.
I suspect they’ll become much more like the Free Democrats in Germany.
Only someone utterly determined to hate him and disbelieve him could interpret it any other way. However, he has lots of people who DO hate him and disbelieve him, even when he is right, so I guess he just has to live with the political weather he helped to create.
So there has never been a date when you could say the job of supporting "contactless payments on TfL" was done. Some of the progress took place on BoJo's watch, how much credit he deserves for that is up to others to judge. FWIW I think almost all of this would have happened irrespective of who was the Mayor at the time.
I'm not detracting from the seriousness of the allegation itself.
But I am troubled by the asymmetry of the impact - I'm broadly supportive of anonymity until charged in legal proceedings. Here she just wrote the comment in an article in a magazine knowing it would be picked up.
The BBC were quite clear that it was correct to describe Trump’s words as racist. As Trump describes himself as the least racists person ever, the only possible conclusion is that he used them for political effect.
Disciplined for a logical syllogism.
Due process exists for a reason
The social (democratic) liberals will probably decant to the Greens/Labour over time, I’d have thought.