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I am saying unless Boris is arrested and convicted in a court of law this is not sexual assault under the lawGallowgate said:
Doesn’t that say something about them? Are you really saying that Tories and Leavers do not care about sexual assault?HYUFD said:
We had all this in the leadership campaign, Tories and Leavers just do not care, this is just another attempt to distract and try and prevent Brexit being delivered and stop BorisAlastairMeeks said:Meanwhile, BoristheSpidergate is not going away:
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Yep. Lay Biden and back Warren, I’d have thought.dyedwoolie said:
True. It will also sink Biden and his sonNoo said:
It doesn't matter too much whether they think the senate will convict. Congress has a duty here, and it'll throw sunlight on the administration. That in itself will have a disinfecting effect.dyedwoolie said:
I'm not sure the cover up angle will last. Susan Rice has admitted Obama's calls often went on the same secret server as Trumps in the whistleblower complaint and lets not forget that begins with the line 'I was not personally witness to most of the events'SirNorfolkPassmore said:
It's quite a sticky problem for the Democrats, and particularly Nancy Pelosi, because there's more than positioning for 2020 at stake.Alistair said:But IMPeachMent Will just s0l1dify his base
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1178341257082527745?s=19
I think Nancy Pelosi has essentially decided impeachment talk does indeed risk solidify Trump's base.
BUT he's not really given them an option. The prima facie case for impeachment is strong and necessitates an inquiry. Even on what the White House has admitted, it's extremely smelly. And they've every reason to try to admit as little as possible - indeed, there are all the signs of a cover up.
If you let it go, you may well still lose in 2020, and you've got another five years of Trump stretching legality and the constitution to and perhaps beyond breaking point. You almost have to look into it to get the White House as a whole (not Trump himself - he's beyond caring) to exercise caution, restraining the Orange One as far as they can.
It's also a constitutional responsibility of Congress to act as a check in this way, whether or not it yields electoral gain (and I think Pelosi is sceptical it will). That's often overlooked. An interesting aspect of the UK Supreme Court ruling which hasn't really cut through, and probably doesn't matter too much electorally, is just that. The most damning part of the judgment was that the PM has constitutional responsibilities (to the monarch and others) transcending electoral considerations and his role as party leader, and that these were simply ignored. So it is in the US - there need to be people saying, "I'm a Congressman and, regardless of electoral consequence, my job is to investigate apparent illegality on the part of the Executive".
This damages Biden and impeachment doesn't get past the Senate.
Then 'witchhunt' gathers momentum with the base and right leaners
It’s nearly 10C hotter than normal for the time of year here on the Tennessee/Georgia border, and the heat is forecast to continue to the end of the week at least.0 -
That’s not what you said though. You said that Tories and leavers do not care about allegations of sexual assault.HYUFD said:
I am saying unless Boris is arrested and convicted in a court of law this is not sexual assault under the lawGallowgate said:
Doesn’t that say something about them? Are you really saying that Tories and Leavers do not care about sexual assault?HYUFD said:
We had all this in the leadership campaign, Tories and Leavers just do not care, this is just another attempt to distract and try and prevent Brexit being delivered and stop BorisAlastairMeeks said:Meanwhile, BoristheSpidergate is not going away:
https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1178372335784615936?s=21
That’s abhorrent.0 -
Unblushing state ownership and control and rules of the EU club would be at odds. So how much of the 52% in 2016 were lefties who want out EU to get a socialist state but never would vote or support Boris or any Tory?HYUFD said:
No which is why in reality they are not but back a Labour magic Brexit Dealegg said:
Can they have that and still be remainers?HYUFD said:
No that is hard left socialism and Corbyn and McDonnell want a nationalised state dominated economy as the end goal and to defeat capitalism in McDonnell's own words, not even a mixed economykinabalu said:@HYUFD
Hard Left Social Democracy is a mixed but mainly market economy with high tax & spend, strong regs, benignly active state, no trident, egalitarian social and educational policy, generally woke, anti US until they see sense and ditch Trump.
No contradiction in terms there.0 -
He's a Remainer so he doesn't speak for Leavers. As an actual Leaver I wish to state for the record that I do care.Gallowgate said:
That’s not what you said though. You said that Tories and leavers do not care about allegations of sexual assault.HYUFD said:
I am saying unless Boris is arrested and convicted in a court of law this is not sexual assault under the lawGallowgate said:
Doesn’t that say something about them? Are you really saying that Tories and Leavers do not care about sexual assault?HYUFD said:
We had all this in the leadership campaign, Tories and Leavers just do not care, this is just another attempt to distract and try and prevent Brexit being delivered and stop BorisAlastairMeeks said:Meanwhile, BoristheSpidergate is not going away:
https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1178372335784615936?s=21
That’s abhorrent.2 -
They correctly do not as allegations without clear legal proof upheld in a court of law are libellousGallowgate said:
That’s not what you said though. You said that Tories and leavers do not care about allegations of sexual assault.HYUFD said:
I am saying unless Boris is arrested and convicted in a court of law this is not sexual assault under the lawGallowgate said:
Doesn’t that say something about them? Are you really saying that Tories and Leavers do not care about sexual assault?HYUFD said:
We had all this in the leadership campaign, Tories and Leavers just do not care, this is just another attempt to distract and try and prevent Brexit being delivered and stop BorisAlastairMeeks said:Meanwhile, BoristheSpidergate is not going away:
https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1178372335784615936?s=21
That’s abhorrent.1 -
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I think HYUFD is trying to say it won't cause them to change their views (of course, it wouldn't be the same for an allegation and conviction of a more serious assault). I doubt they would encourage the behavior, however!Gallowgate said:
That’s not what you said though. You said that Tories and leavers do not care about allegations of sexual assault.HYUFD said:
I am saying unless Boris is arrested and convicted in a court of law this is not sexual assault under the lawGallowgate said:
Doesn’t that say something about them? Are you really saying that Tories and Leavers do not care about sexual assault?HYUFD said:
We had all this in the leadership campaign, Tories and Leavers just do not care, this is just another attempt to distract and try and prevent Brexit being delivered and stop BorisAlastairMeeks said:Meanwhile, BoristheSpidergate is not going away:
https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1178372335784615936?s=21
That’s abhorrent.0 -
I morphed government and documents into one to get governments, no wonder I didn’t get a reply. 😶egg said:What other damage could stop gap PM do to team Boris? Could they release or unredact governments highly damaging to the election hopes?
Serious question though, it would be government that wouldn’t want Boris government elected, what things could they release or put into law?0 -
But to see it as evidence of a witchhunt rather than of a pattern of wholly improper behaviour requires a lack of brains and/or standards.dyedwoolie said:Doesn't really matter, cant be proven either way so it will just be seen as evidence of either impropriety or a witchhunt depending on your view of him as is
Donald Trump may well have a 'base' of such people running into many millions but does Boris?
We will soon find out, I suppose.1 -
Boris should sue then.HYUFD said:
They correctly do not as allegations without clear legal proof upheld in a court of law are libellousGallowgate said:
That’s not what you said though. You said that Tories and leavers do not care about allegations of sexual assault.HYUFD said:
I am saying unless Boris is arrested and convicted in a court of law this is not sexual assault under the lawGallowgate said:
Doesn’t that say something about them? Are you really saying that Tories and Leavers do not care about sexual assault?HYUFD said:
We had all this in the leadership campaign, Tories and Leavers just do not care, this is just another attempt to distract and try and prevent Brexit being delivered and stop BorisAlastairMeeks said:Meanwhile, BoristheSpidergate is not going away:
https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1178372335784615936?s=21
That’s abhorrent.0 -
A few, maybe even including Corbyn himself, just as some Remainers are Tories who will never vote for Corbyn Labouregg said:
Unblushing state ownership and control and rules of the EU club would be at odds. So how much of the 52% in 2016 were lefties who want out EU to get a socialist state but never would vote or support Boris or any Tory?HYUFD said:
No which is why in reality they are not but back a Labour magic Brexit Dealegg said:
Can they have that and still be remainers?HYUFD said:
No that is hard left socialism and Corbyn and McDonnell want a nationalised state dominated economy as the end goal and to defeat capitalism in McDonnell's own words, not even a mixed economykinabalu said:@HYUFD
Hard Left Social Democracy is a mixed but mainly market economy with high tax & spend, strong regs, benignly active state, no trident, egalitarian social and educational policy, generally woke, anti US until they see sense and ditch Trump.
No contradiction in terms there.0 -
It depends on what is covered by the 30 year rule and what is not. Mostly it doesn't happen because it doesn't need to but I don't think that there is much which could be released.egg said:
I morphed government and documents into one to get governments, no wonder I didn’t get a reply. 😶egg said:What other damage could stop gap PM do to team Boris? Could they release or unredact governments highly damaging to the election hopes?
Serious question though, it would be government that wouldn’t want Boris government elected, what things could they release or put into law?0 -
It really doesn't. Hes been accused of a lot. What is he actually guilty of? If allegations start being proven then theres a pattern. Otherwise it's just allegations. No smoke without fire is not a convincing positionkinabalu said:
But to see it as evidence of a witchhunt rather than of a pattern of wholly improper behaviour requires a lack of brains and/or standards.dyedwoolie said:Doesn't really matter, cant be proven either way so it will just be seen as evidence of either impropriety or a witchhunt depending on your view of him as is
Donald Trump may well have a 'base' of such people running into many millions but does Boris?
We will soon find out, I suppose.1 -
Other than evidence Boris wants to cancel Brexit nothing I suspectegg said:
I morphed government and documents into one to get governments, no wonder I didn’t get a reply. 😶egg said:What other damage could stop gap PM do to team Boris? Could they release or unredact governments highly damaging to the election hopes?
Serious question though, it would be government that wouldn’t want Boris government elected, what things could they release or put into law?0 -
Let’s be honest even if Boris was convicted, a proportion of Leavers/Tories would probably say it was the biased/diehard Remainer conspiracy or something.RobD said:.
I think HYUFD is trying to say it won't cause them to change their views (of course, it wouldn't be the same for an allegation and conviction of a more serious assault). I doubt they would encourage the behavior, however!Gallowgate said:
That’s not what you said though. You said that Tories and leavers do not care about allegations of sexual assault.HYUFD said:
I am saying unless Boris is arrested and convicted in a court of law this is not sexual assault under the lawGallowgate said:
Doesn’t that say something about them? Are you really saying that Tories and Leavers do not care about sexual assault?HYUFD said:
We had all this in the leadership campaign, Tories and Leavers just do not care, this is just another attempt to distract and try and prevent Brexit being delivered and stop BorisAlastairMeeks said:Meanwhile, BoristheSpidergate is not going away:
https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1178372335784615936?s=21
That’s abhorrent.0 -
I think this is a case of "damned if he does, damned if he doesn't". If there is an allegation of an offence, it should be made to the police to be investigated thoroughly. In my opinion that is the fairest way for both the accuser and the accused.Benpointer said:
Boris should sue then.HYUFD said:
They correctly do not as allegations without clear legal proof upheld in a court of law are libellousGallowgate said:
That’s not what you said though. You said that Tories and leavers do not care about allegations of sexual assault.HYUFD said:
I am saying unless Boris is arrested and convicted in a court of law this is not sexual assault under the lawGallowgate said:
Doesn’t that say something about them? Are you really saying that Tories and Leavers do not care about sexual assault?HYUFD said:
We had all this in the leadership campaign, Tories and Leavers just do not care, this is just another attempt to distract and try and prevent Brexit being delivered and stop BorisAlastairMeeks said:Meanwhile, BoristheSpidergate is not going away:
https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1178372335784615936?s=21
That’s abhorrent.0 -
Amber Rudd’s view might not be surprising after her comments about whether you would trust Boris Johnson to drive you home, but she’s hardly lining up a quick return to the Conservative party:
https://twitter.com/amberruddhr/status/1178374833735950337?s=210 -
How many of the remainer Tories currently show up as Tory in polling, but will vote Lib Dem on the day?HYUFD said:
A few, maybe even including Corbyn himself, just as some Remainers are Tories who will never vote for Corbyn Labouregg said:
Unblushing state ownership and control and rules of the EU club would be at odds. So how much of the 52% in 2016 were lefties who want out EU to get a socialist state but never would vote or support Boris or any Tory?HYUFD said:
No which is why in reality they are not but back a Labour magic Brexit Dealegg said:
Can they have that and still be remainers?HYUFD said:
No that is hard left socialism and Corbyn and McDonnell want a nationalised state dominated economy as the end goal and to defeat capitalism in McDonnell's own words, not even a mixed economykinabalu said:@HYUFD
Hard Left Social Democracy is a mixed but mainly market economy with high tax & spend, strong regs, benignly active state, no trident, egalitarian social and educational policy, generally woke, anti US until they see sense and ditch Trump.
No contradiction in terms there.
It hard to be confident how much of that Tory lead is down to embarrassed to admit Supporting Labour and still including remain Tories who won’t vote Boris on the day. Pleased to have you around HY to provide that show of confidence.0 -
Have you not read Anthony Crosland''s seminal 1956 book 'The Future of Hard Left Social Democracy'?HYUFD said:No that is hard left socialism and Corbyn and McDonnell want a nationalised state dominated economy as the end goal and to defeat capitalism in McDonnell's own words, not even a mixed economy
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Well at least you now accept that 46% isn't his base.HYUFD said:
So, 51% is still a higher ceiling than 46%SandyRentool said:
It is now the end of September.HYUFD said:
Emerson College poll from JulyFoxy said:
46% is Trump's ceiling, not his base.HYUFD said:
No it is the 46% he got in 2016nunuone said:
His base is 40%....Alistair said:But IMPeachMent Will just s0l1dify his base
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1178341257082527745?s=19
Trump 51% Warren 49%
http://emersonpolling.com/2019/07/08/july-national-poll-biden-extends-lead-in-democratic-primary-trump-closes-the-gap-in-the-general-election/0 -
What I said was this:HYUFD said:
So no mention at all of this being done without a Tory majority at a general election, thanks for giving full and complete 100% confirmation of what I have just said!Chris said:
See an example of what you posted, courtesy of the magic of Google, below. Please get help.Chris said:
Well, I did ask you over andlp. I really would.HYUFD said:
You misunderstoodChris said:
Lovely. It's just that according to you it was all going to have happened by now. Or did I misunderstand?HYUFD said:
Do and I have always said it will take a Tory majority for Boris to get his deal through (with confirmatory NI referendum too if needed)Chris said:
We'll file that for future reference, along with your prediction of Boris Johnson achieving a deal, approved by a Northern Ireland referendum, by 31 October.HYUFD said:
If you want my prediction -
GE in November Boris wins a historic 4th term for the Tories and a Tory majority of 30 to 40, Brexit delivered with the WA and NI only backstop passed through the Commons, LDs surge to 50 seats, Corbyn Labour collapse to under 200 seats.
Chuka Umunna then emerges as the new LD leader and next non Tory PM as Labour collapse to third under the leadership of Pidcock or Long-Bailey (who succeed the defeated Corbyn as Labour leader in 2020) at the next general election
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A Canada style FTA needs a deal. The EU have disbanded their negotiating team. How are you going to agree a new deal before Halloween?
By passing the Withdrawal Agreement by winning a Tory majority, removing the temporary Customs Union for GB which May imposed not Barnier and let Northern Ireland voters decide on the backstop which Barnier does require
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"We'll file that for future reference, along with your prediction of Boris Johnson achieving a deal, approved by a Northern Ireland referendum, by 31 October."
That was 100% accurate. God knows why you're trying to pretend I said anything about a Tory majority.
For the record, I don't think it is dementia - I think you're just a compulsive liar.1 -
She has made it clear shes not returning. Hence running as an indy in London.AlastairMeeks said:Amber Rudd’s view might not be surprising after her comments about whether you would trust Boris Johnson to drive you home, but she’s hardly lining up a quick return to the Conservative party:
https://twitter.com/amberruddhr/status/1178374833735950337?s=21
She has the zeal of the convert now0 -
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Would be a short investigationRobD said:
I think this is a case of "damned if he does, damned if he doesn't". If there is an allegation of an offence, it should be made to the police to be investigated thoroughly. In my opinion that is the fairest way for both the accuser and the accused.Benpointer said:
Boris should sue then.HYUFD said:
They correctly do not as allegations without clear legal proof upheld in a court of law are libellousGallowgate said:
That’s not what you said though. You said that Tories and leavers do not care about allegations of sexual assault.HYUFD said:
I am saying unless Boris is arrested and convicted in a court of law this is not sexual assault under the lawGallowgate said:
Doesn’t that say something about them? Are you really saying that Tories and Leavers do not care about sexual assault?HYUFD said:
We had all this in the leadership campaign, Tories and Leavers just do not care, this is just another attempt to distract and try and prevent Brexit being delivered and stop BorisAlastairMeeks said:Meanwhile, BoristheSpidergate is not going away:
https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1178372335784615936?s=21
That’s abhorrent.1 -
Full Yellowhammer documents?spudgfsh said:
It depends on what is covered by the 30 year rule and what is not. Mostly it doesn't happen because it doesn't need to but I don't think that there is much which could be released.egg said:
I morphed government and documents into one to get governments, no wonder I didn’t get a reply. 😶egg said:What other damage could stop gap PM do to team Boris? Could they release or unredact governments highly damaging to the election hopes?
Serious question though, it would be government that wouldn’t want Boris government elected, what things could they release or put into law?0 -
spudgfsh said:
It depends on what is covered by the 30 year rule and what is not. Mostly it doesn't happen because it doesn't need to but I don't think that there is much which could be released.egg said:
I morphed government and documents into one to get governments, no wonder I didn’t get a reply. 😶egg said:What other damage could stop gap PM do to team Boris? Could they release or unredact governments highly damaging to the election hopes?
Serious question though, it would be government that wouldn’t want Boris government elected, what things could they release or put into law?
Can they publish all the Government research papers, un-redacted, about the possible consequences of a no deal Brexit?0 -
It works, welcome!humbugger said:Test
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Snap!egg said:spudgfsh said:
It depends on what is covered by the 30 year rule and what is not. Mostly it doesn't happen because it doesn't need to but I don't think that there is much which could be released.egg said:
I morphed government and documents into one to get governments, no wonder I didn’t get a reply. 😶egg said:What other damage could stop gap PM do to team Boris? Could they release or unredact governments highly damaging to the election hopes?
Serious question though, it would be government that wouldn’t want Boris government elected, what things could they release or put into law?
Can they publish all the Government research papers, un-redacted, about the possible consequences of a no deal Brexit?0 -
It's possible that could happen but it depends what is and what isn't covered by the 30 year rule. they could say 'there are no detailed documents'egg said:spudgfsh said:
It depends on what is covered by the 30 year rule and what is not. Mostly it doesn't happen because it doesn't need to but I don't think that there is much which could be released.egg said:
I morphed government and documents into one to get governments, no wonder I didn’t get a reply. 😶egg said:What other damage could stop gap PM do to team Boris? Could they release or unredact governments highly damaging to the election hopes?
Serious question though, it would be government that wouldn’t want Boris government elected, what things could they release or put into law?
Can they publish all the Government research papers, un-redacted, about the possible consequences of a no deal Brexit?0 -
But it warrants further investigation, surely?dyedwoolie said:
I'm not sure the cover up angle will last. Susan Rice has admitted Obama's calls often went on the same secret server as Trumps in the whistleblower complaint and lets not forget that begins with the line 'I was not personally witness to most of the events'SirNorfolkPassmore said:
It's quite a sticky problem for the Democrats, and particularly Nancy Pelosi, because there's more than positioning for 2020 at stake.Alistair said:But IMPeachMent Will just s0l1dify his base
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1178341257082527745?s=19
I think Nancy Pelosi has essentially decided impeachment talk does indeed risk solidify Trump's base.
BUT he's not really given them an option. The prima facie case for impeachment is strong and necessitates an inquiry. Even on what the White House has admitted, it's extremely smelly. And they've every reason to try to admit as little as possible - indeed, there are all the signs of a cover up.
If you let it go, you may well still lose in 2020, and you've got another five years of Trump stretching legality and the constitution to and perhaps beyond breaking point. You almost have to look into it to get the White House as a whole (not Trump himself - he's beyond caring) to exercise caution, restraining the Orange One as far as they can.
It's also a constitutional responsibility of Congress to act as a check in this way, whether or not it yields electoral gain (and I think Pelosi is sceptical it will). That's often overlooked. An interesting aspect of the UK Supreme Court ruling which hasn't really cut through, and probably doesn't matter too much electorally, is just that. The most damning part of the judgment was that the PM has constitutional responsibilities (to the monarch and others) transcending electoral considerations and his role as party leader, and that these were simply ignored. So it is in the US - there need to be people saying, "I'm a Congressman and, regardless of electoral consequence, my job is to investigate apparent illegality on the part of the Executive".
This damages Biden and impeachment doesn't get past the Senate.
Then 'witchhunt' gathers momentum with the base and right leaners
That's exactly my point. It probably doesn't help the Democrats, but the role and duty of Congress is to hold the Executive to account, so there isn't a question here. The starting point is one of duty, not of electoral impact.0 -
That you, Boris?humbugger said:Test
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Agreed..HYUFD said:
We had all this in the leadership campaign, Tories and Leavers just do not care, this is just another attempt to distract and try and prevent Brexit being delivered and stop BorisAlastairMeeks said:Meanwhile, BoristheSpidergate is not going away:
https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1178372335784615936?s=21
I also get fed up of people dragging these things up when it suits them to do so.. I would support anyone who does the correct thing and reports these things to the authorities, not just drag them up as an opportune moment1 -
Exactlycotswoldtory said:
Agreed..HYUFD said:
We had all this in the leadership campaign, Tories and Leavers just do not care, this is just another attempt to distract and try and prevent Brexit being delivered and stop BorisAlastairMeeks said:Meanwhile, BoristheSpidergate is not going away:
https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1178372335784615936?s=21
I also get fed up of people dragging these things up when it suits them to do so.. I would support anyone who does the correct thing and reports these things to the authorities, not just drag them up as an opportune moment1 -
You think nothing? It’s technically a change of government, politicians very hostile to Boris. Look what Laws did to Labour in 2010, what goodies could be lying around all the government departments to undermine GE strategy?HYUFD said:
Other than evidence Boris wants to cancel Brexit nothing I suspectegg said:
I morphed government and documents into one to get governments, no wonder I didn’t get a reply. 😶egg said:What other damage could stop gap PM do to team Boris? Could they release or unredact governments highly damaging to the election hopes?
Serious question though, it would be government that wouldn’t want Boris government elected, what things could they release or put into law?0 -
"..running as an indy in London" I missed that, is that for Mayor or as an MP?dyedwoolie said:
She has made it clear shes not returning. Hence running as an indy in London.AlastairMeeks said:Amber Rudd’s view might not be surprising after her comments about whether you would trust Boris Johnson to drive you home, but she’s hardly lining up a quick return to the Conservative party:
https://twitter.com/amberruddhr/status/1178374833735950337?s=21
She has the zeal of the convert now0 -
As an MP. Shes looking to select a remain heavy seatBenpointer said:
"..running as an indy in London" I missed that, is that for Mayor or as an MP?dyedwoolie said:
She has made it clear shes not returning. Hence running as an indy in London.AlastairMeeks said:Amber Rudd’s view might not be surprising after her comments about whether you would trust Boris Johnson to drive you home, but she’s hardly lining up a quick return to the Conservative party:
https://twitter.com/amberruddhr/status/1178374833735950337?s=21
She has the zeal of the convert now0 -
No and as Crosland was one of the worst politicians of the last half century through beginning the policy of destroying most of the grammar schools I have no intention tokinabalu said:
Have you not read Anthony Crosland''s seminal 1956 book 'The Future of Hard Left Social Democracy'?HYUFD said:No that is hard left socialism and Corbyn and McDonnell want a nationalised state dominated economy as the end goal and to defeat capitalism in McDonnell's own words, not even a mixed economy
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Oh sure, investigation required. Attempted Impeaching would be a mistakeSirNorfolkPassmore said:
But it warrants further investigation, surely?dyedwoolie said:
I'm not sure the cover up angle will last. Susan Rice has admitted Obama's calls often went on the same secret server as Trumps in the whistleblower complaint and lets not forget that begins with the line 'I was not personally witness to most of the events'SirNorfolkPassmore said:
It's quite a sticky problem for the Democrats, and particularly Nancy Pelosi, because there's more than positioning for 2020 at stake.Alistair said:But IMPeachMent Will just s0l1dify his base
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1178341257082527745?s=19
I think Nancy Pelosi has essentially decided impeachment talk does indeed risk solidify Trump's base.
BUT he's not really given them an option. The prima facie case for impeachment is strong and necessitates an inquiry. Even on what the White House has admitted, it's extremely smelly. And they've every reason to try to admit as little as possible - indeed, there are all the signs of a cover up.
If you let it go, you may well still lose in 2020, and you've got another five years of Trump stretching legality and the constitution to and perhaps beyond breaking point. You almost have to look into it to get the White House as a whole (not Trump himself - he's beyond caring) to exercise caution, restraining the Orange One as far as they can.
It's also a constitutional responsibility of Congress to act as a check in this way, whether or not it yields electoral gain (and I think Pelosi is sceptical it will). That's often overlooked. An interesting aspect of the UK Supreme Court ruling which hasn't really cut through, and probably doesn't matter too much electorally, is just that. The most damning part of the judgment was that the PM has constitutional responsibilities (to the monarch and others) transcending electoral considerations and his role as party leader, and that these were simply ignored. So it is in the US - there need to be people saying, "I'm a Congressman and, regardless of electoral consequence, my job is to investigate apparent illegality on the part of the Executive".
This damages Biden and impeachment doesn't get past the Senate.
Then 'witchhunt' gathers momentum with the base and right leaners
That's exactly my point. It probably doesn't help the Democrats, but the role and duty of Congress is to hold the Executive to account, so there isn't a question here. The starting point is one of duty, not of electoral impact.0 -
Splitting the vote? Excellent.dyedwoolie said:
As an MP. Shes looking to select a remain heavy seatBenpointer said:
"..running as an indy in London" I missed that, is that for Mayor or as an MP?dyedwoolie said:
She has made it clear shes not returning. Hence running as an indy in London.AlastairMeeks said:Amber Rudd’s view might not be surprising after her comments about whether you would trust Boris Johnson to drive you home, but she’s hardly lining up a quick return to the Conservative party:
https://twitter.com/amberruddhr/status/1178374833735950337?s=21
She has the zeal of the convert now
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As I said a deal would only be done with a Tory majority, if the GE is now in November rather than October that only moves the date it does not change the pointChris said:
What I said was this:HYUFD said:
So no mention at all of this being done without a Tory majority at a general election, thanks for giving full and complete 100% confirmation of what I have just said!Chris said:
See an example of what you posted, courtesy of the magic of Google, below. Please get help.Chris said:
Well, I did ask you over andlp. I really would.HYUFD said:
You misunderstoodChris said:
Lovely. It's just that according to you it was all going to have happened by now. Or did I misunderstand?HYUFD said:
Do and I have always said it will take a Tory majority for Boris to get his deal through (with confirmatory NI referendum too if needed)Chris said:
We'll file that for future reference, along with your prediction of Boris Johnson achieving a deal, approved by a Northern Ireland referendum, by 31 October.HYUFD said:
If you want my prediction -
GE in November Boris wins a historic 4th term for the Tories and a Tory majority of 30 to 40, Brexit delivered with the WA and NI only backstop passed through the Commons, LDs surge to 50 seats, Corbyn Labour collapse to under 200 seats.
Chuka Umunna then emerges as the new LD leader and next non Tory PM as Labour collapse to third under the leadership of Pidcock or Long-Bailey (who succeed the defeated Corbyn as Labour leader in 2020) at the next general election
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A Canada style FTA needs a deal. The EU have disbanded their negotiating team. How are you going to agree a new deal before Halloween?
By passing the Withdrawal Agreement by winning a Tory majority, removing the temporary Customs Union for GB which May imposed not Barnier and let Northern Ireland voters decide on the backstop which Barnier does require
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"We'll file that for future reference, along with your prediction of Boris Johnson achieving a deal, approved by a Northern Ireland referendum, by 31 October."
That was 100% accurate. God knows why you're trying to pretend I said anything about a Tory majority.
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Snap! But you did it better with your yellowhammer.Benpointer said:
Snap!egg said:spudgfsh said:
It depends on what is covered by the 30 year rule and what is not. Mostly it doesn't happen because it doesn't need to but I don't think that there is much which could be released.egg said:
I morphed government and documents into one to get governments, no wonder I didn’t get a reply. 😶egg said:What other damage could stop gap PM do to team Boris? Could they release or unredact governments highly damaging to the election hopes?
Serious question though, it would be government that wouldn’t want Boris government elected, what things could they release or put into law?
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I thought Thatcher had the honour of closing most grammar schoolsHYUFD said:
No and as Crosland was one of the worst politicians of the last half century through beginning the policy of destroying most of the grammar schools I have no intention tokinabalu said:
Have you not read Anthony Crosland''s seminal 1956 book 'The Future of Hard Left Social Democracy'?HYUFD said:No that is hard left socialism and Corbyn and McDonnell want a nationalised state dominated economy as the end goal and to defeat capitalism in McDonnell's own words, not even a mixed economy
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1) it may have been brought up previously but swept under the carpetcotswoldtory said:
Agreed..HYUFD said:
We had all this in the leadership campaign, Tories and Leavers just do not care, this is just another attempt to distract and try and prevent Brexit being delivered and stop BorisAlastairMeeks said:Meanwhile, BoristheSpidergate is not going away:
https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1178372335784615936?s=21
I also get fed up of people dragging these things up when it suits them to do so.. I would support anyone who does the correct thing and reports these things to the authorities, not just drag them up as an opportune moment
2) why would you not bring it up (again) to the disadvantage to of the person involved?
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I have to say at the height of the reporting on MP indiscretions eg Fallon thigh squeeze, that nobody reported that Boris came onto them when they werent interested.1
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Ashcroft poll today, Tory Remainers prefer Boris as PM to Corbyn 59% to 4%, Labour Leavers prefer Boris as PM to Corbyn 42% to 23%.egg said:
How many of the remainer Tories currently show up as Tory in polling, but will vote Lib Dem on the day?HYUFD said:
A few, maybe even including Corbyn himself, just as some Remainers are Tories who will never vote for Corbyn Labouregg said:
Unblushing state ownership and control and rules of the EU club would be at odds. So how much of the 52% in 2016 were lefties who want out EU to get a socialist state but never would vote or support Boris or any Tory?HYUFD said:
No which is why in reality they are not but back a Labour magic Brexit Dealegg said:
Can they have that and still be remainers?HYUFD said:
No that is hard left socialism and Corbyn and McDonnell want a nationalised state dominated economy as the end goal and to defeat capitalism in McDonnell's own words, not even a mixed economykinabalu said:@HYUFD
Hard Left Social Democracy is a mixed but mainly market economy with high tax & spend, strong regs, benignly active state, no trident, egalitarian social and educational policy, generally woke, anti US until they see sense and ditch Trump.
No contradiction in terms there.
It hard to be confident how much of that Tory lead is down to embarrassed to admit Supporting Labour and still including remain Tories who won’t vote Boris on the day. Pleased to have you around HY to provide that show of confidence.
Only 30% of Labour Leavers will definitely vote Labour at the next general election and 55% of Labour Remainers will definitely vote Labour at the next general election.
55% of Tory Remainers by contrast and 70% of Tory Leavers will definitely vote Tory and 60% of LD voters will definitely vote LD, utterly devastating for Corbyn Labour.
https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/09/state-of-the-nation-my-new-polling-on-the-political-landscape-and-the-battle-lines-for-the-next-election/0 -
Yes - If he has his hand on your inner thigh !! ..MarqueeMark said:
That you, Boris?humbugger said:Test
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More pupils were in grammar schools in 1997 than in 1979 when Thatcher became PMegg said:
I thought Thatcher had the honour of closing most grammar schoolsHYUFD said:
No and as Crosland was one of the worst politicians of the last half century through beginning the policy of destroying most of the grammar schools I have no intention tokinabalu said:
Have you not read Anthony Crosland''s seminal 1956 book 'The Future of Hard Left Social Democracy'?HYUFD said:No that is hard left socialism and Corbyn and McDonnell want a nationalised state dominated economy as the end goal and to defeat capitalism in McDonnell's own words, not even a mixed economy
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I repeat nothing whatsoever unless evidence Boris wants to cancel Brexitegg said:
You think nothing? It’s technically a change of government, politicians very hostile to Boris. Look what Laws did to Labour in 2010, what goodies could be lying around all the government departments to undermine GE strategy?HYUFD said:
Other than evidence Boris wants to cancel Brexit nothing I suspectegg said:
I morphed government and documents into one to get governments, no wonder I didn’t get a reply. 😶egg said:What other damage could stop gap PM do to team Boris? Could they release or unredact governments highly damaging to the election hopes?
Serious question though, it would be government that wouldn’t want Boris government elected, what things could they release or put into law?0 -
I bet even they don't know what the FTPA means in practice!AramintaMoonbeamQC said:0 -
When Corbyn made his “stupid woman” remark at May (that he surely did say) it was said up to that point he is always very polite and respectful. Do you think Liz could come to prefer him as her PM in this situation?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
The other reason she would, Corbyn is the only politician left with a brexit policy that is about trying to achieve a compromise.1 -
She probably wants to know how she can punish an ex-PM too!AramintaMoonbeamQC said:0 -
She could be checking if she can get rid of that dreadful scruffy man who doesnt come to the meetings when invited and wants to abolish her role. If he was ever to become PM.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:0 -
What about her form as education secretary, what grammar school closing numbers do you have for that period?HYUFD said:
More pupils were in grammar schools in 1997 than in 1979 when Thatcher became PMegg said:
I thought Thatcher had the honour of closing most grammar schoolsHYUFD said:
No and as Crosland was one of the worst politicians of the last half century through beginning the policy of destroying most of the grammar schools I have no intention tokinabalu said:
Have you not read Anthony Crosland''s seminal 1956 book 'The Future of Hard Left Social Democracy'?HYUFD said:No that is hard left socialism and Corbyn and McDonnell want a nationalised state dominated economy as the end goal and to defeat capitalism in McDonnell's own words, not even a mixed economy
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He is known for his womanizing shes the partner of well known lefty and Boris Hater Robert Peston. Who to believe?!1
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Read it again, and keep reading it till you can understand it, if you are having trouble. This is what I wrote:HYUFD said:
As I said a deal would only be done with a Tory majority, if the GE is now in November rather than October that only moves the date it does not change the pointChris said:
What I said was this:HYUFD said:
So no mention at all of this being done without a Tory majority at a general election, thanks for giving full and complete 100% confirmation of what I have just said!Chris said:
See an example of what you posted, courtesy of the magic of Google, below. Please get help.Chris said:
Well, I did ask you over andlp. I really would.HYUFD said:
You misunderstoodChris said:
Lovely. It's just that according to you it was all going to have happened by now. Or did I misunderstand?HYUFD said:
Do and I have always said it will take a Tory majority for Boris to get his deal through (with confirmatory NI referendum too if needed)Chris said:
We'll file that for future reference, along with your prediction of Boris Johnson achieving a deal, approved by a Northern Ireland referendum, by 31 October.
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StuartDickson said:
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A Canada style FTA needs a deal. The EU have disbanded their negotiating team. How are you going to agree a new deal before Halloween?
By passing the Withdrawal Agreement by winning a Tory majority, removing the temporary Customs Union for GB which May imposed not Barnier and let Northern Ireland voters decide on the backstop which Barnier does require
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"We'll file that for future reference, along with your prediction of Boris Johnson achieving a deal, approved by a Northern Ireland referendum, by 31 October."
That was 100% accurate. God knows why you're trying to pretend I said anything about a Tory majority.
For the record, I don't think it is dementia - I think you're just a compulsive liar.
"We'll file that for future reference, along with your prediction of Boris Johnson achieving a deal, approved by a Northern Ireland referendum, by 31 October."
That was what you claimed, and what I said was 100% accurate.
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Wait, Labour has a Brexit policy? Wasn't there a recent story showing that they rejected their own proposals in a meeting with the government when they were trying to find a way forward?egg said:
When Corbyn made his “stupid woman” remark at May (that he surely did say) it was said up to that point he is always very polite and respectful. Do you think Liz could come to prefer him as her PM in this situation?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
The other reason she would, Corbyn is the only politician left with a brexit policy that is about trying to achieve a compromise.0 -
What does “high up inner thigh” actually mean? Up the skirt? Through the clothes?JackW said:
Yes - If he has his hand on your inner thigh !! ..MarqueeMark said:
That you, Boris?humbugger said:Test
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As the very quote you found shows I said 'By passing the Withdrawal Agreement by WINNING A TORY MAJORITY, removing the temporary Customs Union for GB which May imposed not Barnier and let Northern Ireland voters decide on the backstop which Barnier does require"Chris said:
Read it again, and keep reading it till you can understand it, if you are having trouble. This is what I wrote:HYUFD said:
As I said a deal would only ber that only moves the date it does not change the pointChris said:
What I said was this:HYUFD said:
So no mention at all of this being done without a Tory majority at a general election, thanks for giving full and complete 100% confirmation of what I have just said!Chris said:
See an example of what you posted, courtesy of the magic of Google, below. Please get help.Chris said:
Well, I did ask you over andlp. I really would.HYUFD said:
You misunderstoodChris said:
Lovely. It's just that according to you it was all going to have happened by now. Or did I misunderstand?HYUFD said:
Do and I have always said it will take a Tory majority for Boris to get his deal through (with confirmatory NI referendum too if needed)Chris said:
We'll file that for future reference, along with your prediction of Boris Johnson achieving a deal, approved by a Northern Ireland referendum, by 31 October.
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StuartDickson said:
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A Canada style FTA needs a deal. The EU have disbanded their negotiating team. How are you going to agree a new deal before Halloween?
By passing the Withdrawal Agreement by winning a Tory majority, removing the temporary Customs Union for GB which May imposed not Barnier and let Northern Ireland voters decide on the backstop which Barnier does require
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"We'll file that for fututhink it is dementia - I think you're just a compulsive liar.
"We'll file that for future reference, along with your prediction of Boris Johnson achieving a deal, approved by a Northern Ireland referendum, by 31 October."
That was what you claimed, and what I said was 100% accurate.
Of course you've changed your mind now, because it didn't happen!
So as I said it would only happen if the Tories win a majority at the next general election, you may as usual wish to lie and twist my words to suit your hard left agenda but my words are there in black and white0 -
Crosland's book "the Future of Socialism" is a great read for anyone wanting to understand the Labour Party between the Fifties and Seventies.kinabalu said:
Have you not read Anthony Crosland''s seminal 1956 book 'The Future of Hard Left Social Democracy'?HYUFD said:No that is hard left socialism and Corbyn and McDonnell want a nationalised state dominated economy as the end goal and to defeat capitalism in McDonnell's own words, not even a mixed economy
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Thatcher was not PM then, Heath was and it was mainly Labour local authorities doing the closing after Crosland began the processegg said:
What about her form as education secretary, what grammar school closing numbers do you have for that period?HYUFD said:
More pupils were in grammar schools in 1997 than in 1979 when Thatcher became PMegg said:
I thought Thatcher had the honour of closing most grammar schoolsHYUFD said:
No and as Crosland was one of the worst politicians of the last half century through beginning the policy of destroying most of the grammar schools I have no intention tokinabalu said:
Have you not read Anthony Crosland''s seminal 1956 book 'The Future of Hard Left Social Democracy'?HYUFD said:No that is hard left socialism and Corbyn and McDonnell want a nationalised state dominated economy as the end goal and to defeat capitalism in McDonnell's own words, not even a mixed economy
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Well I don't have numbers but the grammar school where I was a pupil was closed in 1973 whilst Thatcher was Minister of Education, along with several others in Nottinghamshire. Most of the county went comprehensive in that year.egg said:
What about her form as education secretary, what grammar school closing numbers do you have for that period?HYUFD said:
More pupils were in grammar schools in 1997 than in 1979 when Thatcher became PMegg said:
I thought Thatcher had the honour of closing most grammar schoolsHYUFD said:
No and as Crosland was one of the worst politicians of the last half century through beginning the policy of destroying most of the grammar schools I have no intention tokinabalu said:
Have you not read Anthony Crosland''s seminal 1956 book 'The Future of Hard Left Social Democracy'?HYUFD said:No that is hard left socialism and Corbyn and McDonnell want a nationalised state dominated economy as the end goal and to defeat capitalism in McDonnell's own words, not even a mixed economy
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It means it is somewhere you ought not to be without invitation, obviously.egg said:
What does “high up inner thigh” actually mean? Up the skirt? Through the clothes?JackW said:
Yes - If he has his hand on your inner thigh !! ..MarqueeMark said:
That you, Boris?humbugger said:Test
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Yeah they’ve clearly got a policy, a big fudge looking for compromise let people decide policy. It’s clearly moved on from getting away with saying they don’t have one or they don’t want to talk about it, the main question about is it as clear as Tory’s and Libdems or will lose out for not being so clear.RobD said:
Wait, Labour has a Brexit policy? Wasn't there a recent story showing that they rejected their own proposals in a meeting with the government when they were trying to find a way forward?egg said:
When Corbyn made his “stupid woman” remark at May (that he surely did say) it was said up to that point he is always very polite and respectful. Do you think Liz could come to prefer him as her PM in this situation?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
The other reason she would, Corbyn is the only politician left with a brexit policy that is about trying to achieve a compromise.0 -
Thank you, Daily Reminder. Same time again tomorrow?dyedwoolie said:Your daily reminder that Corbyn doesn't have the numbers........
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So I can still use the line “education secretary who closed most grammar schools, Maggie Thatcher”?HYUFD said:
Thatcher was not PM then, Heath was and it was mainly Labour local authorities doing the closing after Crosland began the processegg said:
What about her form as education secretary, what grammar school closing numbers do you have for that period?HYUFD said:
More pupils were in grammar schools in 1997 than in 1979 when Thatcher became PMegg said:
I thought Thatcher had the honour of closing most grammar schoolsHYUFD said:
No and as Crosland was one of the worst politicians of the last half century through beginning the policy of destroying most of the grammar schools I have no intention tokinabalu said:
Have you not read Anthony Crosland''s seminal 1956 book 'The Future of Hard Left Social Democracy'?HYUFD said:No that is hard left socialism and Corbyn and McDonnell want a nationalised state dominated economy as the end goal and to defeat capitalism in McDonnell's own words, not even a mixed economy
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I suppose a Government of Remainer Unity could appoint Hammond back to the Treasury in order to formally publish all the stuff he previously leaked.egg said:
You think nothing? It’s technically a change of government, politicians very hostile to Boris. Look what Laws did to Labour in 2010, what goodies could be lying around all the government departments to undermine GE strategy?HYUFD said:
Other than evidence Boris wants to cancel Brexit nothing I suspectegg said:
I morphed government and documents into one to get governments, no wonder I didn’t get a reply. 😶egg said:What other damage could stop gap PM do to team Boris? Could they release or unredact governments highly damaging to the election hopes?
Serious question though, it would be government that wouldn’t want Boris government elected, what things could they release or put into law?
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Anglosphere Leavers. Better known as Hopkins Syndrome.WhisperingOracle said:
All on-message transatlantically from Trump to Boris, I see.HYUFD said:
We had all this in the leadership campaign, Tories and Leavers just do not care, this is just another attempt to distract and try and prevent Brexit being delivered and stop BorisAlastairMeeks said:Meanwhile, BoristheSpidergate is not going away:
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You mean there are zones of other people's bodies where it is fine to be without invitation, but this happens not to be one of them?OblitusSumMe said:
It means it is somewhere you ought not to be without invitation, obviously.egg said:
What does “high up inner thigh” actually mean? Up the skirt? Through the clothes?JackW said:
Yes - If he has his hand on your inner thigh !! ..MarqueeMark said:
That you, Boris?humbugger said:Test
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DNA testing can be important if you are trying to provide that you are a hereditary peer, even if the "event" took place several generations ago.
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I reserve the right to alter the timing to fit the inevitable JCisPM discussionviewcode said:
Thank you, Daily Reminder. Same time again tomorrow?dyedwoolie said:Your daily reminder that Corbyn doesn't have the numbers........
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Oh God Katie Hopkins is endorsing Boris ahead of Farage, it's over!!!!!1
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Labourites on Twitter less than impressed with Kate Hoey today
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When Jezza high fived Thornberrys booby that was fineIshmael_Z said:
You mean there are zones of other people's bodies where it is fine to be without invitation, but this happens not to be one of them?OblitusSumMe said:
It means it is somewhere you ought not to be without invitation, obviously.egg said:
What does “high up inner thigh” actually mean? Up the skirt? Through the clothes?JackW said:
Yes - If he has his hand on your inner thigh !! ..MarqueeMark said:
That you, Boris?humbugger said:Test
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You are right. If the actual GE matches that polling you have every right to be confident.HYUFD said:
Ashcroft poll today, Tory Remainers prefer Boris as PM to Corbyn 59% to 4%, Labour Leavers prefer Boris as PM to Corbyn 42% to 23%.egg said:
How many of the remainer Tories currently show up as Tory in polling, but will vote Lib Dem on the day?HYUFD said:
A few, maybe even including Corbyn himself, just as some Remainers are Tories who will never vote for Corbyn Labouregg said:
Unblushing state ownership and control and rules of the EU club would be at odds. So how much of the 52% in 2016 were lefties who want out EU to get a socialist state but never would vote or support Boris or any Tory?HYUFD said:
No which is why in reality they are not but back a Labour magic Brexit Dealegg said:
Can they have that and still be remainers?HYUFD said:
No that is hard left socialism and Corbyn and McDonnell want a nationalised state dominated economy as the end goal and to defeat capitalism in McDonnell's own words, not even a mixed economykinabalu said:@HYUFD
Hard Left Social Democracy is a mixed but mainly market economy with high tax & spend, strong regs, benignly active state, no trident, egalitarian social and educational policy, generally woke, anti US until they see sense and ditch Trump.
No contradiction in terms there.
It hard to be confident how much of that Tory lead is down to embarrassed to admit Supporting Labour and still including remain Tories who won’t vote Boris on the day. Pleased to have you around HY to provide that show of confidence.
Only 30% of Labour Leavers will definitely vote Labour at the next general election and 55% of Labour Remainers will definitely vote Labour at the next general election.
55% of Tory Remainers by contrast and 70% of Tory Leavers will definitely vote Tory and 60% of LD voters will definitely vote LD, utterly devastating for Corbyn Labour.
https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/09/state-of-the-nation-my-new-polling-on-the-political-landscape-and-the-battle-lines-for-the-next-election/
You don’t need it shifting after starting gun fired like 2017, which was blamed on May and and dementia tax, not voters lying to pollsters because copeland and locals matched the polls.
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That was hilarious. Certainly not a metaphor in anywaydyedwoolie said:
When Jezza high fived Thornberrys booby that was fineIshmael_Z said:
You mean there are zones of other people's bodies where it is fine to be without invitation, but this happens not to be one of them?OblitusSumMe said:
It means it is somewhere you ought not to be without invitation, obviously.egg said:
What does “high up inner thigh” actually mean? Up the skirt? Through the clothes?JackW said:
Yes - If he has his hand on your inner thigh !! ..MarqueeMark said:
That you, Boris?humbugger said:Test
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No sir, merely an admirer.MarqueeMark said:
That you, Boris?humbugger said:Test
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Who amongst us has not high fived some Islington boob at a dinner party?egg said:
That was hilarious. Certainly not a metaphor in anywaydyedwoolie said:
When Jezza high fived Thornberrys booby that was fineIshmael_Z said:
You mean there are zones of other people's bodies where it is fine to be without invitation, but this happens not to be one of them?OblitusSumMe said:
It means it is somewhere you ought not to be without invitation, obviously.egg said:
What does “high up inner thigh” actually mean? Up the skirt? Through the clothes?JackW said:
Yes - If he has his hand on your inner thigh !! ..MarqueeMark said:
That you, Boris?humbugger said:Test
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🤣Wulfrun_Phil said:
I suppose a Government of Remainer Unity could appoint Hammond back to the Treasury in order to formally publish all the stuff he previously leaked.egg said:
You think nothing? It’s technically a change of government, politicians very hostile to Boris. Look what Laws did to Labour in 2010, what goodies could be lying around all the government departments to undermine GE strategy?HYUFD said:
Other than evidence Boris wants to cancel Brexit nothing I suspectegg said:
I morphed government and documents into one to get governments, no wonder I didn’t get a reply. 😶egg said:What other damage could stop gap PM do to team Boris? Could they release or unredact governments highly damaging to the election hopes?
Serious question though, it would be government that wouldn’t want Boris government elected, what things could they release or put into law?0 -
OMG.
"The former candidate's packed media week and her renewed critique of his presidency has rumors swirling that she is looking at potentially entering thee 2020 Democratic primary race – at the same time Biden is losing clout within the party."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7517723/Corrupt-human-tornado-Hillary-Clinton-joined-Chelsea-rails-against-illegitimate-president.html0 -
Pedants to right of me,Ishmael_Z said:
You mean there are zones of other people's bodies where it is fine to be without invitation, but this happens not to be one of them?OblitusSumMe said:
It means it is somewhere you ought not to be without invitation, obviously.egg said:
What does “high up inner thigh” actually mean? Up the skirt? Through the clothes?JackW said:
Yes - If he has his hand on your inner thigh !! ..MarqueeMark said:
That you, Boris?humbugger said:Test
Pedants to left of me,
Pedants in front of me
Critiqued and thundered;
Stormed at with nit and pick,
Boldly I wrote and well,
Into the jaws of Trolls,
Into the mouth of hell
Wrote Oblitussumme.
With apologies to all and sundry.0 -
So which one DO you lack - brains or standards?dyedwoolie said:He is known for his womanizing shes the partner of well known lefty and Boris Hater Robert Peston. Who to believe?!
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Without party support? Wouldn't she do better to defect to the LDs?dyedwoolie said:
As an MP. Shes looking to select a remain heavy seatBenpointer said:
"..running as an indy in London" I missed that, is that for Mayor or as an MP?dyedwoolie said:
She has made it clear shes not returning. Hence running as an indy in London.AlastairMeeks said:Amber Rudd’s view might not be surprising after her comments about whether you would trust Boris Johnson to drive you home, but she’s hardly lining up a quick return to the Conservative party:
https://twitter.com/amberruddhr/status/1178374833735950337?s=21
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It could be both.kinabalu said:
So which one DO you lack - brains or standards?dyedwoolie said:He is known for his womanizing shes the partner of well known lefty and Boris Hater Robert Peston. Who to believe?!
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She thinks not it seemsBenpointer said:
Without party support? Wouldn't she do better to defect to the LDs?dyedwoolie said:
As an MP. Shes looking to select a remain heavy seatBenpointer said:
"..running as an indy in London" I missed that, is that for Mayor or as an MP?dyedwoolie said:
She has made it clear shes not returning. Hence running as an indy in London.AlastairMeeks said:Amber Rudd’s view might not be surprising after her comments about whether you would trust Boris Johnson to drive you home, but she’s hardly lining up a quick return to the Conservative party:
https://twitter.com/amberruddhr/status/1178374833735950337?s=21
She has the zeal of the convert now0 -
"Police investigate 'utterly vile' banner calling for Tory deaths
Two effigies hung from the bottom of the banner, which read: "130,000 killed under Tory rule, time to level the playing field."
https://news.sky.com/story/utterly-vile-banner-calling-for-tory-deaths-condemned-by-labour-mayor-118227930 -
You know, he’s clearly looking in the right direction as he does it. Right at the target. And she’s not waiting for a high five, just pointing back. And takes her defences down before the hand makes its move.dyedwoolie said:
Who amongst us has not high fived some Islington boob at a dinner party?egg said:
That was hilarious. Certainly not a metaphor in anywaydyedwoolie said:
When Jezza high fived Thornberrys booby that was fineIshmael_Z said:
You mean there are zones of other people's bodies where it is fine to be without invitation, but this happens not to be one of them?OblitusSumMe said:
It means it is somewhere you ought not to be without invitation, obviously.egg said:
What does “high up inner thigh” actually mean? Up the skirt? Through the clothes?JackW said:
Yes - If he has his hand on your inner thigh !! ..MarqueeMark said:
That you, Boris?humbugger said:Test
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Jezza loves shadow cabinet boobiesegg said:
You know, he’s clearly looking in the right direction as he does it. Right at the target. And she’s not waiting for a high five, just pointing at the other half of a fist pump (for reasons unexplained). And takes her defences down before the hand makes its move.dyedwoolie said:
Who amongst us has not high fived some Islington boob at a dinner party?egg said:
That was hilarious. Certainly not a metaphor in anywaydyedwoolie said:
When Jezza high fived Thornberrys booby that was fineIshmael_Z said:
You mean there are zones of other people's bodies where it is fine to be without invitation, but this happens not to be one of them?OblitusSumMe said:
It means it is somewhere you ought not to be without invitation, obviously.egg said:
What does “high up inner thigh” actually mean? Up the skirt? Through the clothes?JackW said:
Yes - If he has his hand on your inner thigh !! ..MarqueeMark said:
That you, Boris?humbugger said:Test
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I'm not sure what skirt @MarqueeMark was wearing or the direction of, or scope of travel that the offending hand made.egg said:
What does “high up inner thigh” actually mean? Up the skirt? Through the clothes?JackW said:
Yes - If he has his hand on your inner thigh !! ..MarqueeMark said:
That you, Boris?humbugger said:Test
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He’s appointed so many of them 🤣dyedwoolie said:
Jezza loves shadow cabinet boobiesegg said:
You know, he’s clearly looking in the right direction as he does it. Right at the target. And she’s not waiting for a high five, just pointing at the other half of a fist pump (for reasons unexplained). And takes her defences down before the hand makes its move.dyedwoolie said:
Who amongst us has not high fived some Islington boob at a dinner party?egg said:
That was hilarious. Certainly not a metaphor in anywaydyedwoolie said:
When Jezza high fived Thornberrys booby that was fineIshmael_Z said:
You mean there are zones of other people's bodies where it is fine to be without invitation, but this happens not to be one of them?OblitusSumMe said:
It means it is somewhere you ought not to be without invitation, obviously.egg said:
What does “high up inner thigh” actually mean? Up the skirt? Through the clothes?JackW said:
Yes - If he has his hand on your inner thigh !! ..MarqueeMark said:
That you, Boris?humbugger said:Test
https://youtu.be/b4EmIMgHXi02 -
Only approx 3% of sexual assaults reported to the police result in a conviction.cotswoldtory said:I also get fed up of people dragging these things up when it suits them to do so.. I would support anyone who does the correct thing and reports these things to the authorities, not just drag them up as an opportune moment
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Maybe Jezza will do a Ramsey and become a personal friend and confidante to HMQ.egg said:
When Corbyn made his “stupid woman” remark at May (that he surely did say) it was said up to that point he is always very polite and respectful. Do you think Liz could come to prefer him as her PM in this situation?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
The other reason she would, Corbyn is the only politician left with a brexit policy that is about trying to achieve a compromise.
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If I google that, will I have to clear down my browser history again?JackW said:
I'm not sure what skirt @MarqueeMark was wearing or the direction of, or scope of travel that the offending hand made.egg said:
What does “high up inner thigh” actually mean? Up the skirt? Through the clothes?JackW said:
Yes - If he has his hand on your inner thigh !! ..MarqueeMark said:
That you, Boris?humbugger said:Test
I'm sure @MarqueeMark will advise us after his turn is finished at the Torbay Trans Festival of Fun ..... 1 -
Given Amber Rudd stood on a manifesto commitment to deliver Brexit I wouldn’t trust her at all.
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He likes to keep abreast of the issues.egg said:
He’s appointed so many of them 🤣dyedwoolie said:
Jezza loves shadow cabinet boobiesegg said:
You know, he’s clearly looking in the right direction as he does it. Right at the target. And she’s not waiting for a high five, just pointing at the other half of a fist pump (for reasons unexplained). And takes her defences down before the hand makes its move.dyedwoolie said:
Who amongst us has not high fived some Islington boob at a dinner party?egg said:
That was hilarious. Certainly not a metaphor in anywaydyedwoolie said:
When Jezza high fived Thornberrys booby that was fineIshmael_Z said:
You mean there are zones of other people's bodies where it is fine to be without invitation, but this happens not to be one of them?OblitusSumMe said:
It means it is somewhere you ought not to be without invitation, obviously.egg said:
What does “high up inner thigh” actually mean? Up the skirt? Through the clothes?JackW said:
Yes - If he has his hand on your inner thigh !! ..MarqueeMark said:
That you, Boris?humbugger said:Test
https://youtu.be/b4EmIMgHXi00 -
She’s voted three times to leave with a deal.TGOHF2 said:Given Amber Rudd stood on a manifesto commitment to deliver Brexit I wouldn’t trust her at all.
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