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Both are trueCasino_Royale said:
It’s more that Theresa May properly shat the bed during GE2017.Charles said:
Then Parliament should replace the executivesurbiton19 said:
Why ? Why should a General Election on the terms of this discredited government. First and foremost, the agenda of the majority in this Parliament must be implemented [ from what is already enacted ] and then a General election should be held.rcs1000 said:
We need resolution. A General Election is the best chance of resolution.kle4 said:
There should have been a General Election prior to October 31st to (hopefully) give a mandate for some outcome.
It now looks like that is not going to be possible. (Which is retarded, and is entirely the fault of Lab/LD/SNP.)
I therefore now think we need to have the smallest possible extension (one month?) to allow a General Election to be called, because we need a government with a mandate, almost irrespective of what the mandate is.
I am not sure that all 21 expelled Tory MPs plus the CHUKs or ex-CHUKs would necessarily agree. They may want a People's vote done first.
We do not have government by a committee of the whole house
The FTPA is a corrosive piece of legislation
If she’d won a clear majority, by not running the worse campaign in history, she could have repealed it.0 -
You can make it binding I believe - the authorising Act just has to say something like 'the result will be enacted'. If memory serves the AV referendum bill did, and the EU one did not. Conspiracists would suggest intentionally, but more likely just failure to spot by the Commons.kyf_100 said:
Agreed. It would be politically silly to do either, and I still think a revoke under FPTP still leads to the equal and opposite reaction of a hard brexit at the subsequent GE.kle4 said:
No, it is a better way of resolving it (not least because while it has its own problems, unlike a GE it cannot be completely indecisive), not the only way. I truly despise the way people use the word mandate, and as in this case that is just how our system works. I think it would be politically silly and risky to take us out of the EU or revoke based on a FPTP majority on 35% of the vote, but that is all the mandate that our system has ever required. Heck, they don't even need the mandate of a referendum or a GE to revoke or no deal right now even if they'd said they would never do either, it's just stupid to do that.OllyT said:
Even if everyone voted solely on the Brexit issue (which they won't) how on earth does Johnson winning a majority on 35% of the vote provide a mandate for anything? A referendum is the only way to resolve this.rcs1000 said:
We need resolution. A General Election is the best chance of resolution.kle4 said:
There should have been a General Election prior to October 31st to (hopefully) give a mandate for some outcome.
It now looks like that is not going to be possible. (Which is retarded, and is entirely the fault of Lab/LD/SNP.)
I therefore now think we need to have the smallest possible extension (one month?) to allow a General Election to be called, because we need a government with a mandate, almost irrespective of what the mandate is.
But I suppose people are quite rightly looking at the 2016 referendum and going "well, that didn't solve anything" and making the assumption that - a not unreasonable one - that the reason it didn't solve anything is because this bunch of MPs refuse to pass anything. Hence the need for an election. A(nother) referendum solves nothing when this lot of MPs refuse to enact it.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it's even possible for a referendum to be legally binding as no parliament can bind its successor? So the decision must ultimately lie with our MPs.0 -
Cherry is head and shoulders above Blackford. Why they ever decided on that oaf as WM leader is beyond me.Sunil_Prasannan said:
SNP should make Joanna Cherry their Westminster leader.TGOHF2 said:Blackford sucking the fun out of events as usual.
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Personally I was never one of those "agitating" for a refernedum but since we had it and we got a clear result...OllyT said:
I don't recall that being the argument when leavers were agitating for for a referendum in the first place.GIN1138 said:
Nope. Bums on seats on HoC is what matters.OllyT said:
Even if everyone voted solely on the Brexit issue (which they won't) how on earth does Johnson winning a majority on 35% of the vote provide a mandate for anything? A referendum is the only way to resolve this.rcs1000 said:
We need resolution. A General Election is the best chance of resolution.kle4 said:
There should have been a General Election prior to October 31st to (hopefully) give a mandate for some outcome.
It now looks like that is not going to be possible. (Which is retarded, and is entirely the fault of Lab/LD/SNP.)
I therefore now think we need to have the smallest possible extension (one month?) to allow a General Election to be called, because we need a government with a mandate, almost irrespective of what the mandate is.
If Boris gets a 30 seat majority on 35% of the vote we Brexit do or die.
How many people sit on the green leather benches is what counts. Nothing else matters.
If the only thing that counts is how many people sit on the green leather benches then why didn't the Brexiteers wait until they elected a Pro-Brexit Parliament?
Seems Brexiteers change the goal posts as they go to suit themselves. Same way that No Deal went from being "Project Fear" to being the only true Brexit.
And as I've said repeatedly personally I'd have voted for May's deal on MV2 and thought MPs (yes ERG ones too) were stupid not to vote for it so we could move on.
But its all history now.0 -
Joanna Cherry is an absolute star !0
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Hunt said in termsAndy_JS said:
What did he say? I missed it.Gallowgate said:I’ve lost what little respect I had for Jeremy Hunt today.
"Boris when you inevitably f*ck up I'll be there to pick up the pieces and in the meantime I'm here doing some essential parliamentary brown-nosing."1 -
Starkey is a plonkerMarqueeMark said:Dr. David Starkey not holding back:
"The last time we were in territory like this, it was settled by civil war."
"https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/iain-dale/dr-david-starkey-brutal-analysis-on-supreme-court/0 -
(Just noting my interest in the answer to this, Mr Meeks)ozymandias said:
I’m just playing devils advocate but IF Johnson is returned with a majority and subsequently cancels or short circuits any extension granted you will be “happy” (Procedurally speaking) as he has a democratic mandate to do so?AlastairMeeks said:
It won’t take very long before this wretched government can be scrunched up and discarded like a used tissue. Five weeks tops.kle4 said:
Yes the government have behaved disgracefully. I don't quite see, however, where having no functioning government for however long it takes for the opposition to be confident the tories would lose an election, is a good thing either.AlastairMeeks said:
The gamesmanship comes from a fake government desperate to engineer an election on its terms to stay in an office it never earned. Rightly, its opponents are having none of it.
They can remove Boris and not engineer an election on terms Boris wants. It's not either they leave him in place or they must play his game.0 -
That’s nonsense. All the aggressive moves in this fake government’s existence have been initiated by the Prime Minister’s team. Parliament sat for one day under him before he announced the prorogation.Charles said:
The issue is that Bercow has innovated and in so doing destroyed the balance between parliament and government.AlastairMeeks said:
The government has no right to demand that events take place at its dictation. It made its bed and it is lying on it. It will have to wait until it suits others to dispose of it.Charles said:
Then Parliament should replace the executivesurbiton19 said:
Why ? Why should a General Election on the terms of this discredited government. First and foremost, the agenda of the majority in this Parliament must be implemented [ from what is already enacted ] and then a General election should be held.rcs1000 said:
We need resolution. A General Election is the best chance of resolution.kle4 said:
There should have been a General Election prior to October 31st to (hopefully) give a mandate for some outcome.
It now looks like that is not going to be possible. (Which is retarded, and is entirely the fault of Lab/LD/SNP.)
I therefore now think we need to have the smallest possible extension (one month?) to allow a General Election to be called, because we need a government with a mandate, almost irrespective of what the mandate is.
I am not sure that all 21 expelled Tory MPs plus the CHUKs or ex-CHUKs would necessarily agree. They may want a People's vote done first.
We do not have government by a committee of the whole house
The FTPA is a corrosive piece of legislation
Government should set the agenda and parliament approve or not.
The Fixed Term Parliaments Act is an excellent deterrent for rogue governments.0 -
Evening Malc. I hope the turnip harvest was good this year. I've got approx 600 Oedipus complexers I need to throw them at and you just can't get them round here.malcolmg said:
Starkey is a plonkerMarqueeMark said:Dr. David Starkey not holding back:
"The last time we were in territory like this, it was settled by civil war."
"https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/iain-dale/dr-david-starkey-brutal-analysis-on-supreme-court/0 -
Another classy Labour activist
https://order-order.com/2019/09/25/star-of-labours-broadcast-tonight-is-conspiracy-theorist/1 -
she is crapOmnium said:
She needs some voice coaching.Gallowgate said:Great soundbite from Jo Swinson. She knows what she’s doing.
I don't think that what she said was good anyway.
If she can get your 'great' when being as she is, then there's a lot of opportunity for Swinson.0 -
I’ll join in with your immature prose:malcolmg said:
she is crapOmnium said:
She needs some voice coaching.Gallowgate said:Great soundbite from Jo Swinson. She knows what she’s doing.
I don't think that what she said was good anyway.
If she can get your 'great' when being as she is, then there's a lot of opportunity for Swinson.
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Well, that's one of the worst failings of the Johnson strategy. If asked for a concrete example of how epically he's screwed up, just comment, 'O'Mara is still an MP.'Andy_JS said:
He rescinded it.alex. said:Has Jared O’Mara resigned his seat yet? Or Jo Johnson? Any by-elections on the horizon?
(Edit - that isn't sarcasm, btw.)0 -
It was clearly the Zionists that tampered with his twitter and framed him.Floater said:Another classy Labour activist
https://order-order.com/2019/09/25/star-of-labours-broadcast-tonight-is-conspiracy-theorist/0 -
Government serves at the pleasure of the House. Its a bizarre situation but currently the House has decided its pleasure is to park a government in office but remove from it the reigns of power.Charles said:
The issue is that Bercow has innovated and in so doing destroyed the balance between parliament and government.AlastairMeeks said:
The government has no right to demand that events take place at its dictation. It made its bed and it is lying on it. It will have to wait until it suits others to dispose of it.Charles said:
Then Parliament should replace the executivesurbiton19 said:
Why ? Why should a General Election on the terms of this discredited government. First and foremost, the agenda of the majority in this Parliament must be implemented [ from what is already enacted ] and then a General election should be held.rcs1000 said:
We need resolution. A General Election is the best chance of resolution.kle4 said:
There should have been a General Election prior to October 31st to (hopefully) give a mandate for some outcome.
It now looks like that is not going to be possible. (Which is retarded, and is entirely the fault of Lab/LD/SNP.)
I therefore now think we need to have the smallest possible extension (one month?) to allow a General Election to be called, because we need a government with a mandate, almost irrespective of what the mandate is.
I am not sure that all 21 expelled Tory MPs plus the CHUKs or ex-CHUKs would necessarily agree. They may want a People's vote done first.
We do not have government by a committee of the whole house
The FTPA is a corrosive piece of legislation
Government should set the agenda and parliament approve or not.0 -
If Edward VI had lived to adulthood, he would have been married off to the lady who would become Mary Queen of Scots.kle4 said:Looking at the list of wars involving various parts of these islands, I see one called the Rough Wooing, which is probably much more well known to the Scots, and probably not as folksy as its name might suggest.
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It's very nice of you to say so (though I'm sure untrue) but that was a point made by the Supreme Court. Though it is one I heartily agree with.Noo said:"A Prime Minister is more than simply a party leader and has an obligation to take their constitutional obligations seriously, including the interests of Parliament"
There's only one sensible person in here, and she's called CycleFree.0 -
If the duly elected government implements a manifesto commitment I am not going to object to the procedure.Omnium said:
(Just noting my interest in the answer to this, Mr Meeks)ozymandias said:
I’m just playing devils advocate but IF Johnson is returned with a majority and subsequently cancels or short circuits any extension granted you will be “happy” (Procedurally speaking) as he has a democratic mandate to do so?AlastairMeeks said:
It won’t take very long before this wretched government can be scrunched up and discarded like a used tissue. Five weeks tops.kle4 said:
Yes the government have behaved disgracefully. I don't quite see, however, where having no functioning government for however long it takes for the opposition to be confident the tories would lose an election, is a good thing either.AlastairMeeks said:
The gamesmanship comes from a fake government desperate to engineer an election on its terms to stay in an office it never earned. Rightly, its opponents are having none of it.
They can remove Boris and not engineer an election on terms Boris wants. It's not either they leave him in place or they must play his game.
Not that this Prime Minister has any concept of mandate or democratic norms.0 -
So what? I have never supported our archaic electoral system even when it benefitted my political agenda. So you will be happy with the LDs revoking Brexit if then win an election on 35% of the vote?Andy_JS said:
Blair won a 66 seat majority in 2005 with 35% of the popular vote.OllyT said:
Even if everyone voted solely on the Brexit issue (which they won't) how on earth does Johnson winning a majority on 35% of the vote provide a mandate for anything? A referendum is the only way to resolve this.rcs1000 said:
We need resolution. A General Election is the best chance of resolution.kle4 said:
There should have been a General Election prior to October 31st to (hopefully) give a mandate for some outcome.
It now looks like that is not going to be possible. (Which is retarded, and is entirely the fault of Lab/LD/SNP.)
I therefore now think we need to have the smallest possible extension (one month?) to allow a General Election to be called, because we need a government with a mandate, almost irrespective of what the mandate is.0 -
He might justify his place and bring some sense to the House if he attended and then stood up and said "You lot are making me look good right now".Andy_JS said:
He rescinded it.alex. said:Has Jared O’Mara resigned his seat yet? Or Jo Johnson? Any by-elections on the horizon?
It would be a sobering moment for many who right now are getting off on their outrage.0 -
And if Edward V had lived to adulthood, Edward VI would never have existed.Sunil_Prasannan said:
If Edward VI had lived to adulthood, he would have been married off to the lady who would become Mary Queen of Scots.kle4 said:Looking at the list of wars involving various parts of these islands, I see one called the Rough Wooing, which is probably much more well known to the Scots, and probably not as folksy as its name might suggest.
(Not that that was Edward V's fault, of course.)0 -
You are absolutely right. See here - http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2019/07/21/cultivating-democracy/Noo said:
Voting. Democracy is about MUCH more than just voting. Though, of course, voting is a necessary part.Gallowgate said:
Don’t fall into the trap thinking that democracy prevents repression and authoritarianism.steve_garner said:
This repressive authoritarian wants a GE now. Hardly in keeping with your description.Noo said:
I'm rattled. I'm rattled by the populist scum on this website cheering a PM who shut down parliament illegally. A profound danger to the rule of law and the democratic institutions of this country.GIN1138 said:
You seem oddly rattled?Gallowgate said:
Sigh. I’m not the one calling this a ‘remain’ parliament. Those are the words of populist scum.GIN1138 said:
Not really as both Con and Lab manifestos committed to leaving the EU.Gallowgate said:
By that logic the 2017 GE should be respected. The people elected a ‘remain’ parliament apparently. Nothing else matters.GIN1138 said:
Nope. Bums on seats on HoC is what matters.OllyT said:
Even if everyone voted solely on the Brexit issue (which they won't) how on earth does Johnson winning a majority on 35% of the vote provide a mandate for anything? A referendum is the only way to resolve this.rcs1000 said:
We need resolution. A General Election is the best chance of resolution.kle4 said:
There should have been a General Election prior to October 31st to (hopefully) give a mandate for some outcome.
It now looks like that is not going to be possible. (Which is retarded, and is entirely the fault of Lab/LD/SNP.)
I therefore now think we need to have the smallest possible extension (one month?) to allow a General Election to be called, because we need a government with a mandate, almost irrespective of what the mandate is.
If Boris gets a 30 seat majority on 35% of the vote we Brexit do or die.
How many people sit on the green leather benches is what counts. Nothing else matters.
Nice try though.
Labour did not commit to leave the EU, whatever it takes, by October 31st.
Anyone who isn't rattled by this is sleepwalking into a repressive authoritarian disaster. Wake the fuck up.0 -
The deal I bring back will bear no resemblance to the one already rejected. Can we park that and bring it back when necessary0
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A binding referendum only works for something that's ready to be implemented immediately, so couldn't be done for the EU ref.kle4 said:
You can make it binding I believe - the authorising Act just has to say something like 'the result will be enacted'. If memory serves the AV referendum bill did, and the EU one did not. Conspiracists would suggest intentionally, but more likely just failure to spot by the Commons.
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It would be because there was a specific change proposed for the AV referendum which the government was ready to implement, but there are many different ways to leave the EU and it is also subject to negotiation with a third party, so that makes it much harder to have a specific way of leaving incorporated into law ahead of time.kle4 said:You can make it binding I believe - the authorising Act just has to say something like 'the result will be enacted'. If memory serves the AV referendum bill did, and the EU one did not. Conspiracists would suggest intentionally, but more likely just failure to spot by the Commons.
It could be done now, if one were to put a deal to a referendum.0 -
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Much though I loathe and despise many current MPs, that would still be a lie. Therefore, ironically, it would see him evicted from Parliament.kle4 said:
He might justify his place and bring some sense to the House if he attended and then stood up and said "You lot are making me look good right now".Andy_JS said:
He rescinded it.alex. said:Has Jared O’Mara resigned his seat yet? Or Jo Johnson? Any by-elections on the horizon?
It would be a sobering moment for many who right now are getting off on their outrage.0 -
evening ydoethur, They will be nice and toughydoethur said:
Evening Malc. I hope the turnip harvest was good this year. I've got approx 600 Oedipus complexers I need to throw them at and you just can't get them round here.malcolmg said:
Starkey is a plonkerMarqueeMark said:Dr. David Starkey not holding back:
"The last time we were in territory like this, it was settled by civil war."
"https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/iain-dale/dr-david-starkey-brutal-analysis-on-supreme-court/0 -
It could. Two choices: ratify the WA or revoke Article 50.Andrew said:
A binding referendum only works for something that's ready to be implemented immediately, so couldn't be done for the EU ref.kle4 said:
You can make it binding I believe - the authorising Act just has to say something like 'the result will be enacted'. If memory serves the AV referendum bill did, and the EU one did not. Conspiracists would suggest intentionally, but more likely just failure to spot by the Commons.0 -
I appreciate your candidness. I’m sure we both agree sooner or later this madness must end.AlastairMeeks said:
If the duly elected government implements a manifesto commitment I am not going to object to the procedure.Omnium said:
(Just noting my interest in the answer to this, Mr Meeks)ozymandias said:
I’m just playing devils advocate but IF Johnson is returned with a majority and subsequently cancels or short circuits any extension granted you will be “happy” (Procedurally speaking) as he has a democratic mandate to do so?AlastairMeeks said:
It won’t take very long before this wretched government can be scrunched up and discarded like a used tissue. Five weeks tops.kle4 said:
Yes the government have behaved disgracefully. I don't quite see, however, where having no functioning government for however long it takes for the opposition to be confident the tories would lose an election, is a good thing either.AlastairMeeks said:
The gamesmanship comes from a fake government desperate to engineer an election on its terms to stay in an office it never earned. Rightly, its opponents are having none of it.
They can remove Boris and not engineer an election on terms Boris wants. It's not either they leave him in place or they must play his game.
Not that this Prime Minister has any concept of mandate or democratic norms.0 -
The Oedipus complexers? Or the turnips?malcolmg said:
evening ydoethur, They will be nice and toughydoethur said:
Evening Malc. I hope the turnip harvest was good this year. I've got approx 600 Oedipus complexers I need to throw them at and you just can't get them round here.malcolmg said:
Starkey is a plonkerMarqueeMark said:Dr. David Starkey not holding back:
"The last time we were in territory like this, it was settled by civil war."
"https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/iain-dale/dr-david-starkey-brutal-analysis-on-supreme-court/0 -
And so the phony war recommences.
Whilst it is good to see the Supreme Court judgement bring common sense back to the use of prorogative powers, I would argue that its immediate impact on the Brexit debate is less than its long-term significance as a bulward against executive overreach.
The downside is that we now have close to 3 and a half weeks of Parliament being in session, but nothing significant happening until we find out Johnson's response to the new law and the immediate aftermath of this in the third week of October.
I would pencil in for an election in early December, but there are plenty of ways it could be delayed longer than that.0 -
You excuse all wanky Remainer behavior. But condemn the same from all Leavers. It renders your opinion absurd and otiose, as you are so obviously biased.Cyclefree said:
The Establishment - whoever that is - are seeking to avoid a disorderly withdrawal from the EU. That incidentally is in line with the manifesto on which the government was elected. There are those who would prefer to remain in the EU and they are entitled to think that and campaign for it and vote for it and take the consequences at the next election. Losing a vote does not mean that you are no longer entitled to say what you think and act on it.Byronic said:
You realize all of the above applies, with some fierce poignancy, to the Establishment which now seeks to subvert the democratic brexit vote. Right?Cyclefree said:I wonder whether the PM and A-G would agree with the following:-
"And you know, my friends, the most difficult thing is to explain what a rule of law is, as distinct from just an oppressive law. They say,
Or this:-
The third guarantee of liberty is the rule of law. The idea that all are equal under the law is deeply rooted in our democratic systems and nowhere else..... The thought that no one in the state can escape the law is, after all, a daring one...... This is not a thought which the powerful can easily accept. Those who hold sway in totalitarian states take good care that the rule of law does not challenge their authority."
MPs want a different deal. They are being obstructed from that because the current government has no negotiating strategy and has prioritised a date over getting a deal. It has also done absolutely nothing about trying to get any sort of consensus about what such a deal might look like. It is now stuck. It doesn't like this. The fact that this is in large part a result of its own idiotic actions seems to have passed it by. And in consequence it is lashing out at anyone and everyone instead of growing up and taking responsibility.
The truth is we have been failed by our entire political class (and beyond), from left to right, from leave to stay.
It’s difficult to think of one figure who has come out of this calamity with his/her reputation enhanced. But I’m going to have a go. There must be one. Must be. Surely.
I’m thinking now.
Still thinking.
Christ.
Um...
Andrew Neil?0 -
It doesn't sound made up at all.YBarddCwsc said:
Well, there aren't many Tory voters left in Cambridge.rcs1000 said:
I don't think it's only LibDem voters who do that.YBarddCwsc said:
Absolutely standard among the LibDem voters in Cambridge.tlg86 said:
Or do what parents round my way do. Pay for their kids to go to RGS Guildford for 11-16 and then send them to Godalming Sixth Form College 17-18.FrancisUrquhart said:
Result is lots of private school kids will be forced to head to European and US unis.MikeL said:Andrew Neil razor sharp:
15% of 6th form students are in private schools.
But Lab policy is only 7% of University places can go to private pupils.
Result: Physically impossible for half of private school 6th formers to go to University (even if EVERY state school 6th former does go!)
The Perse for GCSEs, then Hills Rd Sixth Form College.
The most vociferous Labour voter I know in Cambridge send his kids to Eton (I know it sounds as though I made this up, but it is true!)
"Private school for me not for thee" is par for the course for Labour supporters.0 -
Zero chance of any deal going through .
Bozo is so detested by 99% of Labour MPs and the rest of the opposition that they’d rather chew their own leg off than give him what will be perceived as a win.
Bozos continued surrender act comments are clearly designed to goad opposition MPs .0 -
For most of the post war period Cambridge has been Tory -held - represented by Robert Rhodes James and David Lane.YBarddCwsc said:
Well, there aren't many Tory voters left in Cambridge.rcs1000 said:
I don't think it's only LibDem voters who do that.YBarddCwsc said:
Absolutely standard among the LibDem voters in Cambridge.tlg86 said:
Or do what parents round my way do. Pay for their kids to go to RGS Guildford for 11-16 and then send them to Godalming Sixth Form College 17-18.FrancisUrquhart said:
Result is lots of private school kids will be forced to head to European and US unis.MikeL said:Andrew Neil razor sharp:
15% of 6th form students are in private schools.
But Lab policy is only 7% of University places can go to private pupils.
Result: Physically impossible for half of private school 6th formers to go to University (even if EVERY state school 6th former does go!)
The Perse for GCSEs, then Hills Rd Sixth Form College.
The most vociferous Labour voter I know in Cambridge send his kids to Eton (I know it sounds as though I made this up, but it is true!)0 -
Later.ozymandias said:
I appreciate your candidness. I’m sure we both agree sooner or later this madness must end.AlastairMeeks said:
If the duly elected government implements a manifesto commitment I am not going to object to the procedure.Omnium said:
(Just noting my interest in the answer to this, Mr Meeks)ozymandias said:
I’m just playing devils advocate but IF Johnson is returned with a majority and subsequently cancels or short circuits any extension granted you will be “happy” (Procedurally speaking) as he has a democratic mandate to do so?AlastairMeeks said:
It won’t take very long before this wretched government can be scrunched up and discarded like a used tissue. Five weeks tops.kle4 said:
Yes the government have behaved disgracefully. I don't quite see, however, where having no functioning government for however long it takes for the opposition to be confident the tories would lose an election, is a good thing either.AlastairMeeks said:
The gamesmanship comes from a fake government desperate to engineer an election on its terms to stay in an office it never earned. Rightly, its opponents are having none of it.
They can remove Boris and not engineer an election on terms Boris wants. It's not either they leave him in place or they must play his game.
Not that this Prime Minister has any concept of mandate or democratic norms.0 -
Surrender act phrase really is winding up Remainer MPs.
Also the spontaneous applause for Boris was epic trolling.0 -
See the person I replied to, was referring to the previous referendum.williamglenn said:
It could. Two choices: ratify the WA or revoke Article 50.
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no need to make it flowery, short and sweet is good enough. Mine was literate and intelligible, I must say I have no idea what you are inferring. What does no u meanGallowgate said:
I’ll join in with your immature prose:malcolmg said:
she is crapOmnium said:
She needs some voice coaching.Gallowgate said:Great soundbite from Jo Swinson. She knows what she’s doing.
I don't think that what she said was good anyway.
If she can get your 'great' when being as she is, then there's a lot of opportunity for Swinson.
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We could replace malcolm with a bot and no one would notice the difference.Gallowgate said:
I’ll join in with your immature prose:malcolmg said:
she is crapOmnium said:
She needs some voice coaching.Gallowgate said:Great soundbite from Jo Swinson. She knows what she’s doing.
I don't think that what she said was good anyway.
If she can get your 'great' when being as she is, then there's a lot of opportunity for Swinson.
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Oh, it might not be true, but the mere thought they were approaching that point might wake a few of them up. They seem on autopilot, mindless automatons spouting idiotic partisan attacks (yes, with some good points sprinkled here and there, but that's probably mere chance). That's fine for us amateurs, but they really should do better.ydoethur said:
Much though I loathe and despise many current MPs, that would still be a lie. Therefore, ironically, it would see him evicted from Parliament.kle4 said:
He might justify his place and bring some sense to the House if he attended and then stood up and said "You lot are making me look good right now".Andy_JS said:
He rescinded it.alex. said:Has Jared O’Mara resigned his seat yet? Or Jo Johnson? Any by-elections on the horizon?
It would be a sobering moment for many who right now are getting off on their outrage.0 -
"If the duly elected government implements a manifesto commitment I am not going to object to the procedure. "AlastairMeeks said:
If the duly elected government implements a manifesto commitment I am not going to object to the procedure.Omnium said:
(Just noting my interest in the answer to this, Mr Meeks)ozymandias said:
I’m just playing devils advocate but IF Johnson is returned with a majority and subsequently cancels or short circuits any extension granted you will be “happy” (Procedurally speaking) as he has a democratic mandate to do so?AlastairMeeks said:
It won’t take very long before this wretched government can be scrunched up and discarded like a used tissue. Five weeks tops.kle4 said:
Yes the government have behaved disgracefully. I don't quite see, however, where having no functioning government for however long it takes for the opposition to be confident the tories would lose an election, is a good thing either.AlastairMeeks said:
The gamesmanship comes from a fake government desperate to engineer an election on its terms to stay in an office it never earned. Rightly, its opponents are having none of it.
They can remove Boris and not engineer an election on terms Boris wants. It's not either they leave him in place or they must play his game.
Not that this Prime Minister has any concept of mandate or democratic norms.
Me too.
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Don’t be ridiculous. His one-eyed obsessive support of Brexit have made him hopelessly unable to play a detached interviewer. Few political commentators have declined as steeply post-Brexit.Byronic said:
You excuse all wanky Remainer behavior. But condemn the same from all Leavers. It renders your opinion absurd and otiose, as you are so obviously biased.Cyclefree said:
The Establishment - whoever that is - are seeking to avoid a disorderly withdrawal from the EU. That incidentally is in line with the manifesto on which the government was elected. There are those who would prefer to remain in the EU and they are entitled to think that and campaign for it and vote for it and take the consequences at the next election. Losing a vote does not mean that you are no longer entitled to say what you think and act on it.Byronic said:
You realize all of the above applies, with some fierce poignancy, to the Establishment which now seeks to subvert the democratic brexit vote. Right?Cyclefree said:I wonder whether the PM and A-G would agree with the following:-
"And you know, my friends, the most difficult thing is to explain what a rule of law is, as distinct from just an oppressive law. They say,
Or this:-
The third guarantee of liberty is the rule of law. The idea that all are equal under the law is deeply rooted in our democratic systems and nowhere else..... The thought that no one in the state can escape the law is, after all, a daring one...... This is not a thought which the powerful can easily accept. Those who hold sway in totalitarian states take good care that the rule of law does not challenge their authority."
MPs want a different deal. They are being obstructed from that because the current government has no negotiating strategy and has prioritised a date over getting a deal. It has also done absolutely nothing about trying to get any sort of consensus about what such a deal might look like. It is now stuck. It doesn't like this. The fact that this is in large part a result of its own idiotic actions seems to have passed it by. And in consequence it is lashing out at anyone and everyone instead of growing up and taking responsibility.
The truth is we have been failed by our entire political class (and beyond), from left to right, from leave to stay.
It’s difficult to think of one figure who has come out of this calamity with his/her reputation enhanced. But I’m going to have a go. There must be one. Must be. Surely.
I’m thinking now.
Still thinking.
Christ.
Um...
Andrew Neil?0 -
Depends what you choose to boilydoethur said:
The Oedipus complexers? Or the turnips?malcolmg said:
evening ydoethur, They will be nice and toughydoethur said:
Evening Malc. I hope the turnip harvest was good this year. I've got approx 600 Oedipus complexers I need to throw them at and you just can't get them round here.malcolmg said:
Starkey is a plonkerMarqueeMark said:Dr. David Starkey not holding back:
"The last time we were in territory like this, it was settled by civil war."
"https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/iain-dale/dr-david-starkey-brutal-analysis-on-supreme-court/0 -
I am scared about where we are going I really am.AlastairMeeks said:1 -
Spectacular comments from Shagger when his own language is referred back to him in the context of being hurled at MPs as death threats.0
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I can only admire your optimism, I cannot share it.kle4 said:
Oh, it might not be true, but the mere thought they were approaching that point might wake a few of them up.ydoethur said:
Much though I loathe and despise many current MPs, that would still be a lie. Therefore, ironically, it would see him evicted from Parliament.kle4 said:
He might justify his place and bring some sense to the House if he attended and then stood up and said "You lot are making me look good right now".Andy_JS said:
He rescinded it.alex. said:Has Jared O’Mara resigned his seat yet? Or Jo Johnson? Any by-elections on the horizon?
It would be a sobering moment for many who right now are getting off on their outrage.0 -
The referendum was an inflexion point. Britain is the 21st century Argentina.Gallowgate said:
I am scared about where we are going I really am.AlastairMeeks said:0 -
lol, how intelligent, you really add value. Back to your village they are searching for you.nunuone said:
We could replace malcolm with a bot and no one would notice the difference.Gallowgate said:
I’ll join in with your immature prose:malcolmg said:
she is crapOmnium said:
She needs some voice coaching.Gallowgate said:Great soundbite from Jo Swinson. She knows what she’s doing.
I don't think that what she said was good anyway.
If she can get your 'great' when being as she is, then there's a lot of opportunity for Swinson.
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Blimey. I missed that post. Formidable stuff. Thank you for signposting it. I hope it gets read (or reread) by those here today.Cyclefree said:You are absolutely right. See here - http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2019/07/21/cultivating-democracy/
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This is a disaster the PM could have been somewhat contrite and attempted to reach out but he really is going for the HY war footing look. It is a disgrace, he is a disgrace, he hasn’t answered a single honest question with fact. It should be enforced viewing for people with the right to vote.2
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That depends what you mean by enhanced. Some few have their reputation for cleverness and competence enhanced, but how they have operated may not enhance their reputation generally.Byronic said:Cyclefree said:
The Establishment - whoever that is - are seeking to avoid a disorderly withdrawal from the EU. That incidentally is in line with the manifesto on which the government was elected. There are those who would prefer to remain in the EU and they are entitled to think that and campaign for it and vote for it and take the consequences at the next election. Losing a vote does not mean that you are no longer entitled to say what you think and act on it.Byronic said:
You realize all of the above applies, with some fierce poignancy, to the Establishment which now seeks to subvert the democratic brexit vote. Right?Cyclefree said:I wonder whether the PM and A-G would agree with the following:-
"And you know, my friends, the most difficult thing is to explain what a rule of law is, as distinct from just an oppressive law. They say,
Or this:-
The third guarantee of liberty is the rule of law. The idea that all are equal under the law is deeply rooted in our democratic systems and nowhere else..... The thought that no one in the state can escape the law is, after all, a daring one...... This is not a thought which the powerful can easily accept. Those who hold sway in totalitarian states take good care that the rule of law does not challenge their authority."
MPs want a different deal. They are being obstructed from that because the current government has no negotiating strategy and has prioritised a date over getting a deal. It has also done absolutely nothing about trying to get any sort of consensus about what such a deal might look like. It is now stuck. It doesn't like this. The fact that this is in large part a result of its own idiotic actions seems to have passed it by. And in consequence it is lashing out at anyone and everyone instead of growing up and taking responsibility.
It’s difficult to think of one figure who has come out of this calamity with his/her reputation enhanced. But I’m going to have a go. There must be one. Must be. Surely.
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Have to say , Neil is looking ever more like Mr Potato Head these days, what has happened to him.Byronic said:
You excuse all wanky Remainer behavior. But condemn the same from all Leavers. It renders your opinion absurd and otiose, as you are so obviously biased.Cyclefree said:
The Establishment - whoever that is - are seeking to avoid a disorderly withdrawal from the EU. That incidentally is in line with the manifesto on which the government was elected. There are those who would prefer to remain in the EU and they are entitled to think that and campaign for it and vote for it and take the consequences at the next election. Losing a vote does not mean that you are no longer entitled to say what you think and act on it.Byronic said:
You realize all of the above applies, with some fierce poignancy, to the Establishment which now seeks to subvert the democratic brexit vote. Right?Cyclefree said:I wonder whether the PM and A-G would agree with the following:-
"And you know, my friends, the most difficult thing is to explain what a rule of law is, as distinct from just an oppressive law. They say,
Or this:-
The third guarantee of liberty is the rule of law. The idea that all are equal under the law is deeply rooted in our democratic systems and nowhere else..... The thought that no one in the state can escape the law is, after all, a daring one...... This is not a thought which the powerful can easily accept. Those who hold sway in totalitarian states take good care that the rule of law does not challenge their authority."
MPs want a different deal. They are being obstructed from that because the current government has no negotiating strategy and has prioritised a date over getting a deal. It has also done absolutely nothing about trying to get any sort of consensus about what such a deal might look like. It is now stuck. It doesn't like this. The fact that this is in large part a result of its own idiotic actions seems to have passed it by. And in consequence it is lashing out at anyone and everyone instead of growing up and taking responsibility.
The truth is we have been failed by our entire political class (and beyond), from left to right, from leave to stay.
It’s difficult to think of one figure who has come out of this calamity with his/her reputation enhanced. But I’m going to have a go. There must be one. Must be. Surely.
I’m thinking now.
Still thinking.
Christ.
Um...
Andrew Neil?0 -
Labour MPs are making the referendum mistake again. By keep coming back to Boris calling the Act the “Surrender Act” it’s just embedding it into the nation’s mind.0
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I'm really glad other people are saying this. Cox's statement today made my blood run cold.Gallowgate said:
I am scared about where we are going I really am.AlastairMeeks said:
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Well that's been clear for some time. Probably even back to Theresa May.nico67 said:Zero chance of any deal going through .
Boris should just write the letter tonight asking for an extension to 31st Dec or 31st Jan so we can have a general election.
Then once agreed move the bill for the election stating 7th November 2019 is the date in law and lets just get the hell on with this.0 -
Dominic Cummings has come out with his reputation enhanced.kle4 said:
That depends what you mean by enhanced. Some few have their reputation for cleverness and competence enhanced, but how they have operated may not enhance their reputation generally.Byronic said:Cyclefree said:
The Establishment - whoever that is - are seeking to avoid a disorderly withdrawal from the EU. That incidentally is in line with the manifesto on which the government was elected. There are those who would prefer to remain in the EU and they are entitled to think that and campaign for it and vote for it and take the consequences at the next election. Losing a vote does not mean that you are no longer entitled to say what you think and act on it.Byronic said:
You realize all of the above applies, with some fierce poignancy, to the Establishment which now seeks to subvert the democratic brexit vote. Right?Cyclefree said:I wonder whether the PM and A-G would agree with the following:-
"And you know, my friends, the most difficult thing is to explain what a rule of law is, as distinct from just an oppressive law. They say,
Or this:-
The third guarantee of liberty is the rule of law. The idea that all are equal under the law is deeply rooted in our democratic systems and nowhere else..... The thought that no one in the state can escape the law is, after all, a daring one...... This is not a thought which the powerful can easily accept. Those who hold sway in totalitarian states take good care that the rule of law does not challenge their authority."
MPs want a different deal. They are being obstructed from that because the current government has no negotiating strategy and has prioritised a date over getting a deal. It has also done absolutely nothing about trying to get any sort of consensus about what such a deal might look like. It is now stuck. It doesn't like this. The fact that this is in large part a result of its own idiotic actions seems to have passed it by. And in consequence it is lashing out at anyone and everyone instead of growing up and taking responsibility.
It’s difficult to think of one figure who has come out of this calamity with his/her reputation enhanced. But I’m going to have a go. There must be one. Must be. Surely.
A reputation for arrogance, dishonesty, incompetence and stupidity admittedly, but nevertheless that's still one reputation that's been enhanced and widely disseminated.0 -
It’s quite obvious that the recalled Parliament is now purely a platform for the Conservatives to trail clips that they’ll subsequently use in targeted campaign ads in the next GE, whenever it comes. And come it must at some point in the next 2 1/2 years.
That’s its only purpose.0 -
Nonsense. Neil subjected Boris to his most illuminating[y forensic interviewAlastairMeeks said:
Don’t be ridiculous. His one-eyed obsessive support of Brexit have made him hopelessly unable to play a detached interviewer. Few political commentators have declined as steeply post-Brexit.Byronic said:
You excuse all wanky Remainer behavior. But condemn the same from all Leavers. It renders your opinion absurd and otiose, as you are so obviously biased.Cyclefree said:
The Establishment - whoever that is - are seeking to avoid a disorderly withdrawal from the EU. That incidentally is in line and has prioritised a date over getting a deal. It has also done absolutely nothing about trying to get any sort of consensus about what such a deal might look like. It is now stuck. It doesn't like this. The fact that this is in large part a result of its own idiotic actions seems to have passed it by. And in consequence it is lashing out at anyone and everyone instead of growing up and taking responsibility.Byronic said:
You realize all of the above applies, with some fierce poignancy, to the Establishment which now seeks to subvert the democratic brexit vote. Right?Cyclefree said:I wonder whether the PM and A-G would agree with the following:-
"And you know, my friends, the most difficult thing is to explain what a rule of law is, as distinct from just an oppressive law. They say,
Or this:-
The third guarantee of liberty is the rule of law. The idea that all are equal under the law is deeply rooted in our democratic systems and nowhere else..... The thought that no one in the state can escape the law is, after all, a daring one...... This is not a thought which the powerful can easily accept. Those who hold sway in totalitarian states take good care that the rule of law does not challenge their authority."
The truth is we have been failed by our entire political class (and beyond), from left to right, from leave to stay.
It’s difficult to think of one figure who has come out of this calamity with his/her reputation enhanced. But I’m going to have a go. There must be one. Must be. Surely.
I’m thinking now.
Still thinking.
Christ.
Um...
Andrew Neil?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-48971407/andrew-neil-tests-boris-johnson-s-knowledge-of-gatt-24
Go and have some more figs and blue cheese.2 -
I found it very entertaining , he is a chancer of the first order but he put on a show.Noo said:
I'm really glad other people are saying this. Cox's statement today made my blood run cold.Gallowgate said:
I am scared about where we are going I really am.AlastairMeeks said:0 -
Carefully cut, Johnson's speech tonight with Corbyn's speech yesterday would make a fabulous PPB for the Liberal Democrats.Casino_Royale said:It’s quite obvious that the recalled Parliament is now purely a platform for the Conservatives to trail clips that they’ll subsequently use in targeted campaign ads in the next GE, whenever it comes. And come it must at some point in the next 2 1/2 years.
That’s its only purpose.0 -
And yet, for all that I dislike Johnson, those surrender act comments are entirely accurate.nico67 said:Zero chance of any deal going through .
Bozo is so detested by 99% of Labour MPs and the rest of the opposition that they’d rather chew their own leg off than give him what will be perceived as a win.
Bozos continued surrender act comments are clearly designed to goad opposition MPs .
There are almost no 'good guys' in this Parliament, they are almost all extremists of differing hues.1 -
If Eve had not bumped into Adam ..... of all the orchards in all the countries in all the world, she walks into mineydoethur said:
And if Edward V had lived to adulthood, Edward VI would never have existed.Sunil_Prasannan said:
If Edward VI had lived to adulthood, he would have been married off to the lady who would become Mary Queen of Scots.kle4 said:Looking at the list of wars involving various parts of these islands, I see one called the Rough Wooing, which is probably much more well known to the Scots, and probably not as folksy as its name might suggest.
(Not that that was Edward V's fault, of course.)0 -
It would save a lot of time and shortcut a lot of pointless argument, but it's a no goer. Johnson will not write a letter asking for an extension, at the very least not until his sham negotiations have run their course.GIN1138 said:
Well that's been clear for some time. Probably even back to Theresa May.nico67 said:Zero chance of any deal going through .
Boris should just write the letter tonight asking for an extension to 31st Dec or 31st Jan so we can have a general election.
Then once agreed move the bill for the election stating 7th November 2019 is the date in law and lets just get the hell on with this.0 -
He’s getting on a bit now. 70 years old. I’m afraid it happens to us all, malcmalcolmg said:
Have to say , Neil is looking ever more like Mr Potato Head these days, what has happened to him.Byronic said:
You excuse all wanky Remainer behavior. But condemn the same from all Leavers. It renders your opinion absurd and otiose, as you are so obviously biased.Cyclefree said:
The Establishment - whoever that is - are seeking to avoid a disorderly withdrawal from the EU. That incidentally is in line with the manifesto on which the government was elected. There are those who would prefer to remain in the EU and they are entitled to think that and campaign for it and vote for it and take the consequences at the next election. Losing a vote does not mean that you are no longer entitled to say what you think and act on it.Byronic said:
You realize all of the above applies, with some fierce poignancy, to the Establishment which now seeks to subvert the democratic brexit vote. Right?Cyclefree said:I wonder whether the PM and A-G would agree with the following:-
"And you know, my friends, the most difficult thing is to explain what a rule of law is, as distinct from just an oppressive law. They say,
Or this:-
The third guarantee of liberty is the rule of law. The idea that all are equal under the law is deeply rooted in our democratic systems and nowhere else..... The thought that no one in the state can escape the law is, after all, a daring one...... This is not a thought which the powerful can easily accept. Those who hold sway in totalitarian states take good care that the rule of law does not challenge their authority."
MPs want a different deal. They are being obstructed from that because the current government has no negotiating strategy and has prioritised a date over getting a deal. It has also done absolutely nothing about trying to get any sort of consensus about what such a deal might look like. It is now stuck. It doesn't like this. The fact that this is in large part a result of its own idiotic actions seems to have passed it by. And in consequence it is lashing out at anyone and everyone instead of growing up and taking responsibility.
The truth is we have been failed by our entire political class (and beyond), from left to right, from leave to stay.
It’s difficult to think of one figure who has come out of this calamity with his/her reputation enhanced. But I’m going to have a go. There must be one. Must be. Surely.
I’m thinking now.
Still thinking.
Christ.
Um...
Andrew Neil?0 -
Labour MPs are useless collectively and individually. Grow a pair and call a VONCGallowgate said:Labour MPs are making the referendum mistake again. By keep coming back to Boris calling the Act the “Surrender Act” it’s just embedding it into the nation’s mind.
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Indeed yes. And after that, she turned over a new leaf.ReggieCide said:
If Eve had not bumped into Adam ..... of all the orchards in all the countries in all the world, she walks into mineydoethur said:
And if Edward V had lived to adulthood, Edward VI would never have existed.Sunil_Prasannan said:
If Edward VI had lived to adulthood, he would have been married off to the lady who would become Mary Queen of Scots.kle4 said:Looking at the list of wars involving various parts of these islands, I see one called the Rough Wooing, which is probably much more well known to the Scots, and probably not as folksy as its name might suggest.
(Not that that was Edward V's fault, of course.)0 -
Boris Johnson doesn't give a shit if another MP is murdered. What a guy.0
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Indeed - we need a bit of entertainment.malcolmg said:
I found it very entertaining , he is a chancer of the first order but he put on a show.Noo said:
I'm really glad other people are saying this. Cox's statement today made my blood run cold.Gallowgate said:
I am scared about where we are going I really am.AlastairMeeks said:
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This is just an extended PMQ session now.0
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No DealAndrew said:
A binding referendum only works for something that's ready to be implemented immediately, so couldn't be done for the EU ref.kle4 said:
You can make it binding I believe - the authorising Act just has to say something like 'the result will be enacted'. If memory serves the AV referendum bill did, and the EU one did not. Conspiracists would suggest intentionally, but more likely just failure to spot by the Commons.0 -
Probably... But you never quite know with Cummings.kle4 said:
It would save a lot of time and shortcut a lot of pointless argument, but it's a no goer. Johnson will not write a letter asking for an extension, at the very least not until his sham negotiations have run their course.GIN1138 said:
Well that's been clear for some time. Probably even back to Theresa May.nico67 said:Zero chance of any deal going through .
Boris should just write the letter tonight asking for an extension to 31st Dec or 31st Jan so we can have a general election.
Then once agreed move the bill for the election stating 7th November 2019 is the date in law and lets just get the hell on with this. 0 -
The Tory party imitated Labour by electing a thick posho with zero credibility and a long history of supporting violence, including violence against MPs, sexual infidelity and dishonesty.CatMan said:Boris Johnson doesn't give a shit if another MP is murdered. What a guy.
I wonder if they realised he was going to be quite such a perfect mirror of Corbyn.0 -
The government will seek a three-day recess for Tory conference next week. A Tory source said they hoped Parliament would not sit on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday.0
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Britain has a safety valve that Argentina didn’t: dissolution.AlastairMeeks said:
The referendum was an inflexion point. Britain is the 21st century Argentina.Gallowgate said:
I am scared about where we are going I really am.AlastairMeeks said:0 -
Luckily I have a few years to go and am as handsome and dashing as ever. However I was shocked at how he was looking the other night, did not look well at all.Byronic said:
He’s getting on a bit now. 70 years old. I’m afraid it happens to us all, malcmalcolmg said:
Have to say , Neil is looking ever more like Mr Potato Head these days, what has happened to him.Byronic said:
You excuse all wanky Remainer behavior. But condemn the same from all Leavers. It renders your opinion absurd and otiose, as you are so obviously biased.Cyclefree said:
The Establishment - whoever that is - are seeking to avoid a disorderly withdrawal from the EU. That incidentally is in line with the manifesto on which the government was elected. There are those who would prefer to remain in the EU and they are entitled to think that and campaign for it and vote for it and take the consequences at the next election. Losing a vote does not mean that you are no longer entitled to say what you think and act on it.Byronic said:
You realize all of the above applies, with some fierce poignancy, to the Establishment which now seeks to subvert the democratic brexit vote. Right?Cyclefree said:I wonder whether the PM and A-G would agree with the following:-
"And you know, my friends, the most difficult thing is to explain what a rule of law is, as distinct from just an oppressive law. They say,
Or this:-
The third guarantee of liberty is the rule of law. The idea that all are equal under the law is deeply rooted in our democratic systems and nowhere else..... The thought that no one in the state can escape the law is, after all, a daring one...... This is not a thought which the powerful can easily accept. Those who hold sway in totalitarian states take good care that the rule of law does not challenge their authority."
SNIP
The truth is we have been failed by our entire political class (and beyond), from left to right, from leave to stay.
It’s difficult to think of one figure who has come out of this calamity with his/her reputation enhanced. But I’m going to have a go. There must be one. Must be. Surely.
I’m thinking now.
Still thinking.
Christ.
Um...
Andrew Neil?0 -
And I hope I’ll win the Euromillions.FrancisUrquhart said:The government will seek a three-day recess for Tory conference next week. A Tory source said they hoped Parliament would not sit on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday.
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Totally agree - everything is now completely polarised with neither side able to see that they are both to blame.Richard_Tyndall said:
And yet, for all that I dislike Johnson, those surrender act comments are entirely accurate.nico67 said:Zero chance of any deal going through .
Bozo is so detested by 99% of Labour MPs and the rest of the opposition that they’d rather chew their own leg off than give him what will be perceived as a win.
Bozos continued surrender act comments are clearly designed to goad opposition MPs .
There are almost no 'good guys' in this Parliament, they are almost all extremists of differing hues.1 -
I think the opposition would be silly to try and block if they want to continue to claim the moral high ground.AlastairMeeks said:
And I hope I’ll win the Euromillions.FrancisUrquhart said:The government will seek a three-day recess for Tory conference next week. A Tory source said they hoped Parliament would not sit on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday.
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If Labour have any sense at all they will grant that. After all, a conference only half as bad as the Labour train wreck we've just watched and the Tories are finished for fifty years.FrancisUrquhart said:The government will seek a three-day recess for Tory conference next week. A Tory source said they hoped Parliament would not sit on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday.
So I am expecting Labour to try and block a recess...0 -
I’m extending my test. Can any PB-er think of any figure, from politics, whose reputation has been enhanced by the Brexit process?
Try not to be too partisan. It’s boring. If you can’t find anyone in politics you are allowed to trawl the worlds of journalism, law and academe.0 -
Denying a recess would be petty.AlastairMeeks said:
And I hope I’ll win the Euromillions.FrancisUrquhart said:The government will seek a three-day recess for Tory conference next week. A Tory source said they hoped Parliament would not sit on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday.
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Joanna CherryByronic said:I’m extending my test. Can any PB-er think of any figure, from politics, whose reputation has been enhanced by the Brexit process?
Try not to be too partisan. It’s boring. If you can’t find anyone in politics you are allowed to trawl the worlds of journalism, law and academe.1 -
This government can expect absolutely no favours. Its allergy to Parliament is going to give it anaphylactic shock.TGOHF2 said:
Denying a recess would be petty.AlastairMeeks said:
And I hope I’ll win the Euromillions.FrancisUrquhart said:The government will seek a three-day recess for Tory conference next week. A Tory source said they hoped Parliament would not sit on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday.
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He can’t give Rory a reasonable answer this whole process is a disgrace.0
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Ian Austin. Ivan Lewis.Byronic said:I’m extending my test. Can any PB-er think of any figure, from politics, whose reputation has been enhanced by the Brexit process?
Try not to be too partisan. It’s boring. If you can’t find anyone in politics you are allowed to trawl the worlds of journalism, law and academe.0 -
Ken Clarke.Byronic said:I’m extending my test. Can any PB-er think of any figure, from politics, whose reputation has been enhanced by the Brexit process?
Try not to be too partisan. It’s boring. If you can’t find anyone in politics you are allowed to trawl the worlds of journalism, law and academe.1 -
Yes it would. However, given the government acted unlawfully and shows no contrition (indeed, they continue to attack the judges and court while pretending they are not, very lamely), it has probably earned a level of pettiness from its opponents.TGOHF2 said:
Denying a recess would be petty.AlastairMeeks said:
And I hope I’ll win the Euromillions.FrancisUrquhart said:The government will seek a three-day recess for Tory conference next week. A Tory source said they hoped Parliament would not sit on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday.
However they should not push that, and really should actually take control, and not just wait for Boris's polling to worsen so they can call an election then.0 -
Are you suggesting this government is nuts?AlastairMeeks said:
This government can expect absolutely no favours. Its allergy to Parliament is going to give it anaphylactic shock.TGOHF2 said:
Denying a recess would be petty.AlastairMeeks said:
And I hope I’ll win the Euromillions.FrancisUrquhart said:The government will seek a three-day recess for Tory conference next week. A Tory source said they hoped Parliament would not sit on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday.
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Oliver Letwin.0
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Rory StewartByronic said:I’m extending my test. Can any PB-er think of any figure, from politics, whose reputation has been enhanced by the Brexit process?
Try not to be too partisan. It’s boring. If you can’t find anyone in politics you are allowed to trawl the worlds of journalism, law and academe.
Joanna Cherry0 -
She was starting from a very very low base.Noo said:
Joanna CherryByronic said:I’m extending my test. Can any PB-er think of any figure, from politics, whose reputation has been enhanced by the Brexit process?
Try not to be too partisan. It’s boring. If you can’t find anyone in politics you are allowed to trawl the worlds of journalism, law and academe.
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AgreedGallowgate said:Labour MPs are making the referendum mistake again. By keep coming back to Boris calling the Act the “Surrender Act” it’s just embedding it into the nation’s mind.
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It was certainly a bravura act, and like you I enjoyed it. It was mostly bullshit but brilliantly served up.malcolmg said:
I found it very entertaining , he is a chancer of the first order but he put on a show.Noo said:
I'm really glad other people are saying this. Cox's statement today made my blood run cold.Gallowgate said:
I am scared about where we are going I really am.AlastairMeeks said:
Amidst the bullshit was however a little gem. He would not have put his name to a proroguation request that went beyond the end of October. That was a clear acknowledgement that his view was that proroguation was justiciable.
His view therefore differed from the judgement of the SC only in respect of timing and length of proroguation.0
