Anabobazina said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Alanbrooke said:

Scott_P said:

Byronic said:

it just occurred to me that Brexit is like the alien in Alien. We hoped to harness it and use it, but it has morphed into a danger to everyone, and it bleeds pure acid.

Now we cower on the spaceship, wondering what, or who, it will eat next.

Does that make Revoke the escape podule?

Is Jo Swinson, Ripley?

Helga from Allo Allo apparently

Boris Johnson as Rene, Nigel Farage as Mimi Labonq and Jeremy Corbyn as the Colonel - it could be a big hit.

Who plays the part of the sexy French waitress Yvette?

Kwasi Kwarteng

After a shaky first half of the morning for Miller and Cherry.

The next two QCs repaired any damage and struck some stinging blows on the governments case .

Fordham is an authority on judicial review and Garnier put some very strong arguments forward .

The submissions by the government can be read as a threat . If you find unlawful then we might just go nuclear and prorogue again and you don’t know when , it could be over the 31st October .

And you’d need to put so many future safeguards in place then you’ll be seen as politically interfering .

Think those submissions might end up being an own goal by the government.

isam said:

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AlastairMeeks said:

Alanbrooke said:

Scott_P said:

Byronic said:

it just occurred to me that Brexit is like the alien in Alien. We hoped to harness it and use it, but it has morphed into a danger to everyone, and it bleeds pure acid.

Now we cower on the spaceship, wondering what, or who, it will eat next.

Does that make Revoke the escape podule?

Is Jo Swinson, Ripley?

Helga from Allo Allo apparently

Boris Johnson as Rene, Nigel Farage as Mimi Labonq and Jeremy Corbyn as the Colonel - it could be a big hit.

So he DOES watch tv!

Only against his will.

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Interesting that the Palace has the time and the inclination to express the Queen’s displeasure about David Cameron’s comments but doesn’t have the inclination nor the time to condemn Randy Andy for hanging around with a convicted nonce.

We all know which is worse.

#Priorities

lol

I take it that means you dont want to discuss Dave making a tit of himself

If Dave could walk on water you Leavers would criticise him for not being able to swim.

Curious though CSE usually gets Leavers all chatty but not the Epstein case.

Alanbrooke said:

Brom said:

Scott_P said:

For future reference

https://twitter.com/steve_hawkes/status/1174664475280138242

Scott's crap tweets number 1,264,597

As Scott approaches his 50,000th post what percentage were actually his own view ?

Plenty! He said Farage wouldnt be in the 2015 debates, refused to bet on it, said Monty Hall was wrong, and has danced on the head of a pin about whether he is retweeting the tweets or not for starters

logical_song said:

eristdoof said:

Byronic said:

Pclipp:

*****

I've said before, there must a critical mass/tipping point, at which the Lib Dem surge will go viral - as it were - as everyone realises they are credible contenders, and rushes to support them as a viable alternative to Brexit AND Corbyn.

What is that tipping point? It's got to be consistently beating Labour in polls, AND polling 25-30%, I think.

So they are not far away. And we are not far away from a huge realignment, when Labour are pushed into the shadows (where they belong) and the Lib Dems return as the main centre-left party of government and opposition,

Bring it on!

I would like to point out that in 1983 the SDP Liberal Alliance were polling 25-26% just before the 1983 election, neck and neck with Labour, They got 25.4% of the actual votes cast. For this they were rewarded with a whopping 23 MPs.

I reckon 26% will get the LDs more seats in 2019 but it is certainly not close to the tipping point. Over 30%? Maybe.

The thing about tipping points is that there is a sudden change. With three and maybe two half parties it's difficult to work out where that may be. It certainly won't be linear.
The same is true of Climate Change, if we get to a tipping point where there's a positive feedback loop we are all in big trouble.

Agree with it being non-linear.

Regarding Climate change the "Tipping" could start very gradually. We are talking about a huge amount of energy in a compex and only partially understood physical system. By the time enough people realise the "Tipping point has already been passed" it is likely to be too late to take that energy out of the system.

I actually think most people realise this, but many people, especially those in power, are too scared to take the necessary action.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Interesting that the Palace has the time and the inclination to express the Queen’s displeasure about David Cameron’s comments but doesn’t have the inclination nor the time to condemn Randy Andy for hanging around with a convicted nonce.

We all know which is worse.

#Priorities

lol

I take it that means you dont want to discuss Dave making a tit of himself

If Dave could walk on water you Leavers would criticise him for not being able to swim.

Curious though CSE usually gets Leavers all chatty but not the Epstein case.

Hate to annoy you but it's not just Leavers who are critiquing your great leader, it's pretty much everyone. Terrible avatar btw!

Anecdote. Cameron was flying first class to NY and the stewardess (a friend) welcomed him on board. He said nothing - just put his outstretched hand directly in front of her face and then turned away.

Twat.

Byronic said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1174640742624563201

Who are these 14% who think Brexit is going "well"? I'd like to share their drinks trolley.

I think you’ll find they’re all lawyers and most of them are currently spending the day at the Supreme Court.

Streeter said:

Anecdote. Cameron was flying first class to NY and the stewardess (a friend) welcomed him on board. He said nothing - just put his outstretched hand directly in front of her face and then turned away.

Twat.

I always thought he was the polite type.

Byronic said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Interesting that the Palace has the time and the inclination to express the Queen’s displeasure about David Cameron’s comments but doesn’t have the inclination nor the time to condemn Randy Andy for hanging around with a convicted nonce.

We all know which is worse.

#Priorities

A truly bizarre comment. As with Topping and Nabavi, your juvenile hero-worship of Cameron leads you to some embarrassing and ridiculous opinions.

I don't understand political hero-worship. A politician is a politician, they are meant to do politics well, and when they fuck up, like Cameron here, you must tell it like it is. They are not football teams you loyally support through rain and sun. That's a very adolescent attitude, and a tiny bit creepy.

I'm not hero worshipping anyone I'm just explaining to you the difference between "Cameron told the Queen" and "our Private Secretaries discussed".

Should it have been mentioned? Well at stake was the United Kingdom, over which the Queen reigns. So should he have disclosed it? Probably not as it seems she took his advice, or just as likely independently came to the same conclusion, with her entreaty for people to think carefully. But the substance of what happened - idea floated for HMQ to help maintain country she rules over - is not at all one that anyone should have a problem with.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Interesting that the Palace has the time and the inclination to express the Queen’s displeasure about David Cameron’s comments but doesn’t have the inclination nor the time to condemn Randy Andy for hanging around with a convicted nonce.

We all know which is worse.

#Priorities

lol

I take it that means you dont want to discuss Dave making a tit of himself

If Dave could walk on water you Leavers would criticise him for not being able to swim.

Curious though CSE usually gets Leavers all chatty but not the Epstein case.

from memory the only things Ive really been critical of Dave are

1. his appalling choice of CoE
2. his spending his political capital on nonsense

but really this round of book selling isnt doing him any favours

GIN1138 said:

NickPalmer said:

GIN1138 said:

Pulpstar said:

Have m'luds examined Major over his own experience of proroging parliament yet ?

It doesn't look like Major is actually going to take the stand?

No. The SC doesn't hear witnesses directly. But his written submission is pretty amazing -

Hardly seems fair that he can cause this trouble but not be put under scrutiny for his own behaviour when prorogung parliament for political reasons.

#hypocrite

It isn't in any way relevant to the legal question facing the court. So what if someone could have challenged Major's prorogation via the courts more than two decades ago? They didn't so it has no bearing on the case.

It may be of interest to the public (or a section of it) but has no bearing on the legal question before the court whatsoever.

Byronic said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Interesting that the Palace has the time and the inclination to express the Queen’s displeasure about David Cameron’s comments but doesn’t have the inclination nor the time to condemn Randy Andy for hanging around with a convicted nonce.

We all know which is worse.

#Priorities

A truly bizarre comment. As with Topping and Nabavi, your juvenile hero-worship of Cameron leads you to some embarrassing and ridiculous opinions.

I don't understand political hero-worship. A politician is a politician, they are meant to do politics well, and when they fuck up, like Cameron here, you must tell it like it is. They are not football teams you loyally support through rain and sun. That's a very adolescent attitude, and a tiny bit creepy.

I’m tired of the constant misrepresentations so suck it up.

There’s a piece in the drafts of the PB servers entitled ‘David Cameron: The man who saved the Tory party, then destroyed it’ which shall be published in a fortnight or so once I’ve reread his book.

History will be kinder to him than the bellends who led Leave saying No Deal was Project Fear and now champion No Deal.

williamglenn said:

Unpopular opinion: the Conservative party and the country would be in much better shape if Theresa May had been the modernisers' candidate in 2005 instead of David Cameron.

Too close to her nasty party speech. There are Tories that still haven't forgiven her for that (though they've probably moved on to new, improved nasty parties).

isam said:

Alanbrooke said:

Brom said:

Scott_P said:

For future reference

https://twitter.com/steve_hawkes/status/1174664475280138242

Scott's crap tweets number 1,264,597

As Scott approaches his 50,000th post what percentage were actually his own view ?

Plenty! He said Farage wouldnt be in the 2015 debates, refused to bet on it, said Monty Hall was wrong, and has danced on the head of a pin about whether he is retweeting the tweets or not for starters

Wait, you mean the Monty Hall problem?

isam said:

Anabobazina said:

isam said:

Anabobazina said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Alanbrooke said:

Scott_P said:

Byronic said:

it just occurred to me that Brexit is like the alien in Alien. We hoped to harness it and use it, but it has morphed into a danger to everyone, and it bleeds pure acid.

Now we cower on the spaceship, wondering what, or who, it will eat next.

Does that make Revoke the escape podule?

Is Jo Swinson, Ripley?

Helga from Allo Allo apparently

Boris Johnson as Rene, Nigel Farage as Mimi Labonq and Jeremy Corbyn as the Colonel - it could be a big hit.

Who plays the part of the sexy French waitress Yvette?

Kwasi Kwarteng

Of course.

And the domineering French Resistance operative Michelle?

Theresa May

"Listen very carefully, I shall say this only once... No Deal is better than a bad deal and we will be leaving the European Union on March 29th 2019"

Only once ??????

FF43 said:

Byronic said:

A BBC journo tweets

https://twitter.com/BBCSimonMcCoy/status/1174658728886505472?s=20

The royal anecdotes situation has developed not necessarily to David Cameron's advantage.

It’s not impossible that your supposition approaches being adjacent to the actuality.

Streeter said:

Anecdote. Cameron was flying first class to NY and the stewardess (a friend) welcomed him on board. He said nothing - just put his outstretched hand directly in front of her face and then turned away.

Twat.

Just about sums him up

The first rule of the Fight Club......
https://twitter.com/bbchelena/status/1174672031796908033?s=21

Anabobazina said:

Can anyone on PB explain the Monty Hall problem to me? ...

I can...

GIN1138 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Byronic said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Interesting that the Palace has the time and the inclination to express the Queen’s displeasure about David Cameron’s comments but doesn’t have the inclination nor the time to condemn Randy Andy for hanging around with a convicted nonce.

We all know which is worse.

#Priorities

A truly bizarre comment. As with Topping and Nabavi, your juvenile hero-worship of Cameron leads you to some embarrassing and ridiculous opinions.

I don't understand political hero-worship. A politician is a politician, they are meant to do politics well, and when they fuck up, like Cameron here, you must tell it like it is. They are not football teams you loyally support through rain and sun. That's a very adolescent attitude, and a tiny bit creepy.

I’m tired of the constant misrepresentations so suck it up.

There’s a piece in the drafts of the PB servers entitled ‘David Cameron: The man who saved the Tory party, then destroyed it’ which shall be published in a fortnight or so once I’ve reread his book.

History will be kinder to him than the bellends who led Leave saying No Deal was Project Fear and now champion No Deal.

Intereaint avatar. Remember when you pretended to be a eurosceptic for years?

Eurosceptic doesn’t mean Leaver.

There’s no automaticity that being a Eurosceptic begets a Leaver.

My choice of avatar was we have snowflake Leavers that were triggered by the EU flag at the Proms, Last Night thereof.

I mean how woke do you have to be to be triggered by a flag.

SirNorfolkPassmore said:

GIN1138 said:

NickPalmer said:

GIN1138 said:

Pulpstar said:

Have m'luds examined Major over his own experience of proroging parliament yet ?

It doesn't look like Major is actually going to take the stand?

No. The SC doesn't hear witnesses directly. But his written submission is pretty amazing -

Hardly seems fair that he can cause this trouble but not be put under scrutiny for his own behaviour when prorogung parliament for political reasons.

#hypocrite

It isn't in any way relevant to the legal question facing the court. So what if someone could have challenged Major's prorogation via the courts more than two decades ago? They didn't so it has no bearing on the case....

On the arguments presented in court by the opponents of the government, it would not have been material in its effects on Parliament in any event.

Lord Keen taking no prisoners:

https://twitter.com/mattholehouse/status/1174672829536710657?s=20

CatMan said:

isam said:

CatMan said:

isam said:

Alanbrooke said:

Brom said:

Scott_P said:

For future reference

https://twitter.com/steve_hawkes/status/1174664475280138242

Scott's crap tweets number 1,264,597

As Scott approaches his 50,000th post what percentage were actually his own view ?

Plenty! He said Farage wouldnt be in the 2015 debates, refused to bet on it, said Monty Hall was wrong, and has danced on the head of a pin about whether he is retweeting the tweets or not for starters

Wait, you mean the Monty Hall problem?

Indeedy

To be fair (from the Wikipedia article on it) "Paul Erdős, one of the most prolific mathematicians in history, remained unconvinced until he was shown a computer simulation demonstrating the predicted result"

To be fair, it's a bit complicated for me too!

TheScreamingEagles said:

GIN1138 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Byronic said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Interesting that the Palace has the time and the inclination to express the Queen’s displeasure about David Cameron’s comments but doesn’t have the inclination nor the time to condemn Randy Andy for hanging around with a convicted nonce.

We all know which is worse.

#Priorities

A truly bizarre comment. As with Topping and Nabavi, your juvenile hero-worship of Cameron leads you to some embarrassing and ridiculous opinions.

I don't understand political hero-worship. A politician is a politician, they are meant to do politics well, and when they fuck up, like Cameron here, you must tell it like it is. They are not football teams you loyally support through rain and sun. That's a very adolescent attitude, and a tiny bit creepy.

I’m tired of the constant misrepresentations so suck it up.

There’s a piece in the drafts of the PB servers entitled ‘David Cameron: The man who saved the Tory party, then destroyed it’ which shall be published in a fortnight or so once I’ve reread his book.

History will be kinder to him than the bellends who led Leave saying No Deal was Project Fear and now champion No Deal.

Intereaint avatar. Remember when you pretended to be a eurosceptic for years?

Eurosceptic doesn’t mean Leaver.

There’s no automaticity that being a Eurosceptic begets a Leaver.

My choice of avatar was we have snowflake Leavers that were triggered by the EU flag at the Proms, Last Night thereof.

I mean how woke do you have to be to be triggered by a flag.

And youre going to Belfast ??? : )

Critical LibDems are not a one horse anti Brexit party. Tories are in their 9th yr of power and Lib Dems need to have a strategy that deals with the growing inequality, cuts to services, NHS crises, School Funding crises, adult care crises, high crime etc. Johnson will try to look like a new boy with a new government but they are responsible for modern UK after years of Tory rule which relative to other Western countries is behind on social mobility, healthcare, cancer treatment, class divisions, pensions, housing issues ...

The Social Democratic part of Lib Dems needs to be pushed as Blair did with New Labour after 18 yrs of Tory rule when he united a country and was voted for by all groups from Wimbledon to Glasgow.