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I agree, she let her true feelings come through here.Carnyx said:
She put out a tweet which rather abruptly stated the gent was a Labour activist - see here.Gallowgate said:Laura K literally quoted the guy to give coverage of his side of the story. The attacks on her are ridiculous. What is wrong with this country?
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1174318249460281346
and then linked to his twitter account.
I'm not clued enough about twitter mechanics to judge, but even at the time it did seem rather abrupt and dismissive.
The tweet seems to have been deleted - rightly so imo.0 -
Starship Troopers, hands down.kinabalu said:
Interesting category!OnlyLivingBoy said:One of the best bad films ever made.
American Gigolo for me.
Terrible movie.
Seen it at least 10 times. Would watch it again right now if it came on.0 -
Very cackhanded to my mind. As I say, she’s just a bit crap.Carnyx said:
She put out a tweet which rather abruptly stated the gent was a Labour activist - see here.Gallowgate said:Laura K literally quoted the guy to give coverage of his side of the story. The attacks on her are ridiculous. What is wrong with this country?
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1174318249460281346
and then linked to his twitter account.
I'm not clued enough about twitter mechanics to judge, but even at the time it did seem rather abrupt and dismissive.0 -
When Two Tribes Go To War.Gallowgate said:Laura K literally quoted the guy to give coverage of his side of the story. The attacks on her are ridiculous. What is wrong with this country?
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OnlyLivingBoy said:
On any other site this might seem strange.Sunil_Prasannan said:
"Put the Brexit back in the box"OnlyLivingBoy said:
"They somehow managed to get every Brexiteer and Leaver in the universe onto this one plane. And then somehow managed to let them take it over. And then somehow managed to stick us right smack in the middle."Sunil_Prasannan said:
One of the best bad films ever made.Drutt said:
It was Steve Buscemi in "Con Air" (1997).Benpointer said:
I understand about four in five of them and I'm not sure it's to my credit.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Every time you use a quote Sunil, I never have a fecking clue where it's from or what it's supposed to imply.Benpointer said:
"HYUFD's a fountain of misplaced rage. Name your cliché; Mother held him too much or not enough, last picked at kickball, late night sneaky uncle, whatever. Now he's so angry that moments of levity actually cause him pain; give him headaches. Happiness, for that gentleman, hurts."HYUFD said:
Hey, nice new avatar @HYUFD!Gallowgate said:
Man with history of Labour activism seeks a political stunt.HYUFD said:
Man with history of political activism has the confidence to tell public figure their opinion?viewcode said:
This guy was a Labour activist with an agenda, I notice no other parents of patients bothered to leave their kids bedside to rant with the PMHYUFD said:
Thousands of parents have kids in hospital everyday, most of them spend their time with their kids not going on ideological rants against the prime minister to push a political agenda just as heDavidL said:
I honestly find that repugnant. Is the man’s daughter ill? Is she receiving treatment? How the f*** is that a set up then?HYUFD said:This was a set up by a Labour activist, ignore
https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1174314704589807616?s=20
I realise you are an adherent of Boris but surely you must realise that the scenario you have outlined is simply not possible.
Other News at 10.
Seriously mate. Get a grip. This is pathetic.
It is you being pathetic ignoring it
I assume it's an allusion to your party leader's campaigning abilities?
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Except that plenty of the accusations are about malicious intent since the assertion of plenty is that she is a shill for BoJo, Secretary of State for propaganda etc. That's not about poor editorial judgement, but about partisan positioning. The former would have more legs as a story, but the most excited push the latter.FF43 said:
I would say BBC News somewhat deflecting here, which in turn suggests implicit acknowledgement of an issue with Kuenssberg's reporting of the story. The accusation against Kuenssberg isn't malicious intent. The accusation is of poor editorial judgement that allowed a largely irrelevant detail about the parent's political background dominate a story about Johnson's visit to the hospital.Scott_P said:0 -
Mmm, I wonder.HYUFD said:Since becoming PM Boris has improved his net approval rating with the public from -21% to -16%.
Corbyn on the other hand is still stuck on an abysmal -49%
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/09/17/despite-difficulties-parliament-boris-has-grown-po
Why do you have a donkey logo now?0 -
Why should we give the tiniest fuck what the Finns say? We can produce our plans at 11.59 on Halloween, if we like.Scott_P said:0 -
He’s more a “you’re so vain” kind of guy.kinabalu said:
He is very good in unstructured situations so long as the atmosphere is lighthearted. Clowning around in a fish factory, that sort of thing. Without wanting to get too Carly Simon about it, nobody does it better.0 -
It's only relevant if this gentleman actually had ambushed Johnson. But as Johnson was in the hospital of his own free will, and Mr Salem, who had a sick child in the hospital wasn't, it really is largely irrelevant that Johnson picked on a parent of another political persuasion as a public sounding board for his political propaganda.Luckyguy1983 said:
Largely irrelevant? Don't be absurd.FF43 said:
I would say BBC News somewhat deflecting here, which in turn suggests implicit acknowledgement of an issue with Kuenssberg's reporting of the story. The accusation against Kuenssberg isn't malicious intent. The accusation is of poor editorial judgement that allowed a largely irrelevant detail about the parent's political background dominate a story about Johnson's visit to the hospital.Scott_P said:
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HYUFD said:
HYUFD's political background informs his biasNoo said:
You're overcommitting to this. Even Boris Johnson's twitter account said he was "glad this gentleman told me his problems". His political background doesn't invalidate his voice. Labour voters' views are just as important as anyone else's.HYUFD said:
'Largely irrelevant' the political background of this diehard Labour activist was the entire reason this story even emerged in the first place due to his Corbynista rant against the PMFF43 said:
I would say BBC News somewhat deflecting here, which in turn suggests implicit acknowledgement of an issue with Kuenssberg's reporting of the story. The accusation against Kuenssberg isn't malicious intent. The accusation is of poor editorial judgement that allowed a largely irrelevant detail about the parent's political background dominate a story about Johnson's visit to the hospital.Scott_P said:
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Well, hopefully 11.59 Brussels time. Even so, leaving just 60 seconds in the middle of the night for the European Council, the Commons, and the European Parliament all to give their formal consent would be winging it a bit even by Boris standards.Byronic said:
Why should we give the tiniest fuck what the Finns say? We can produce our plans at 11.59 on Halloween, if we like.Scott_P said:0 -
The problem may be that such an event does not lend itself to folksy charm, which might appear disrespectful. Difficult to prepare for a hostile, and very personal, complaint, justified or not. Boris is not without charm, in an odd way, but the more traditional smoothness of a regular politician probably makes responding in those situations a little easier.Richard_Nabavi said:
3. Thinking about how a skilled politician such as Blair or Cameron would have handled it, I think the big missing ingredient is that Boris doesn't engage in any way with the ranter. He doesn't ask any questions, he doesn't offer anything, he does nothing to disarm and charm the guy. OK, that's not at all an easy thing to do, but isn't folksy charm supposed to be Boris's strength, the one which will win over Labour-inclined voters?0 -
Can I recommend "Bad Taste" a truly bad film from NZ made on a trivial budget by the director and some friends at weekends. Yes, it is that Peter Jackson's first film...kinabalu said:
Interesting category!OnlyLivingBoy said:One of the best bad films ever made.
American Gigolo for me.
Terrible movie.
Seen it at least 10 times. Would watch it again right now if it came on.
https://youtu.be/7IHwKJOZZ6U
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Then it's up to them if they agree in the 37 seconds allowed, otherwise No Deal.Richard_Nabavi said:
Well, hopefully 11.59 Brussels time. Even so, leaving just 60 seconds in the middle of the night for the European Council, the Commons, and the European Parliament all to give their formal consent would be winging it a bit even by Boris standards.Byronic said:
Why should we give the tiniest fuck what the Finns say? We can produce our plans at 11.59 on Halloween, if we like.Scott_P said:
The idea the United Kingdom should be bullied into premature ejaculation by the nation of... Finland... is ambitiously surreal.
Truly, enough of these people, and of this shit. We are Great Britain. We will endure. They can all go and do one. Fuck them.0 -
A pretty level-headed analysis there.Richard_Nabavi said:On topic: Some observations on the Boris encounter with the Labour activist father:
1. The guy attacking Boris seemed completely genuine. Labour activist as be might be, this clearly wasn't set up, and he clearly was genuinely angry (though very probably not justifiably so).
2. If it had just been a rant, well, politicians get lots of those (Blair, Brown and Cameron were all ambushed with NHS-related rants). What made this special was the fact that Boris handled it so badly. Firstly he bumbles and mumbles, then he comes out with the utterly bizarre line about no press being present, then, when he's unsurprisingly picked up on that, he bumbles more and then turns to the cameras with his trademark impish grin.
3. Thinking about how a skilled politician such as Blair or Cameron would have handled it, I think the big missing ingredient is that Boris doesn't engage in any way with the ranter. He doesn't ask any questions, he doesn't offer anything, he does nothing to disarm and charm the guy. OK, that's not at all an easy thing to do, but isn't folksy charm supposed to be Boris's strength, the one which will win over Labour-inclined voters?0 -
Johnson could have asked about the child’s condition. He could have wished her a speedy recovery. He could even have asked her name. He chose to lie instead. The story, though, is not the mendacity of the Prime Minister, but the political affiliation of the father. Hmmm.kle4 said:
The problem may be that such an event does not lend itself to folksy charm, which might appear disrespectful. Difficult to prepare for a hostile, and very personal, complaint, justified or not. Boris is not without charm, in an odd way, but the more traditional smoothness of a regular politician probably makes responding in those situations a little easier.Richard_Nabavi said:
3. Thinking about how a skilled politician such as Blair or Cameron would have handled it, I think the big missing ingredient is that Boris doesn't engage in any way with the ranter. He doesn't ask any questions, he doesn't offer anything, he does nothing to disarm and charm the guy. OK, that's not at all an easy thing to do, but isn't folksy charm supposed to be Boris's strength, the one which will win over Labour-inclined voters?
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Yes, most amusing. The 'demand' is just a bit of posturing, we gave no indication we were not going to waste time before the last extension, and they seem annoyed we are indeed wasting time, so really they are mad at themselves as much as us. They should have listened to Macron last time when he wanted a very short extension.Byronic said:
Then it's up to them if they agree in the 37 seconds allowed, otherwise No Deal.Richard_Nabavi said:
Well, hopefully 11.59 Brussels time. Even so, leaving just 60 seconds in the middle of the night for the European Council, the Commons, and the European Parliament all to give their formal consent would be winging it a bit even by Boris standards.Byronic said:
Why should we give the tiniest fuck what the Finns say? We can produce our plans at 11.59 on Halloween, if we like.Scott_P said:
The idea the United Kingdom should be bullied into premature ejaculation by the nation of... Finland... is ambitiously surreal.
Truly, enough of these people, and of this shit. We are Great Britain. We will endure. They can all go and do one. Fuck them.0 -
I see the drink's kicking in SeanByronic said:
Then it's up to them if they agree in the 37 seconds allowed, otherwise No Deal.Richard_Nabavi said:
Well, hopefully 11.59 Brussels time. Even so, leaving just 60 seconds in the middle of the night for the European Council, the Commons, and the European Parliament all to give their formal consent would be winging it a bit even by Boris standards.Byronic said:
Why should we give the tiniest fuck what the Finns say? We can produce our plans at 11.59 on Halloween, if we like.Scott_P said:
The idea the United Kingdom should be bullied into premature ejaculation by the nation of... Finland... is ambitiously surreal.
Truly, enough of these people, and of this shit. We are Great Britain. We will endure. They can all go and do one. Fuck them.
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I watch "Love Actually" every Xmas.kinabalu said:
Interesting category!OnlyLivingBoy said:One of the best bad films ever made.
American Gigolo for me.
Terrible movie.
Seen it at least 10 times. Would watch it again right now if it came on.0 -
I'm amazed by all the criticism of Laura Kuenssberg. I've always thought she seemed like a competent journalist.
On the other hand Robert Peston in spite of his sycophantic biography of Gordon Brown is treated like a sage.0 -
Having sort-of met him, I can't say I can really see much charm. He's always looking round for a camera or for someone more important to talk to. The really good retail politicians - think Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan, or Cameron or Blair - have that special knack of making the person they are talking to feel as though they are for a moment the centre of the politician's attention.kle4 said:The problem may be that such an event does not lend itself to folksy charm, which might appear disrespectful. Difficult to prepare for a hostile, and very personal, complaint, justified or not. Boris is not without charm, in an odd way, but the more traditional smoothness of a regular politician probably makes responding in those situations a little easier.
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He walked in to the European Summit, like he was walking on to a yacht.williamglenn said:He’s more a “you’re so vain” kind of guy.
His shirt strategically flapped outside his pants, his hair it was in a knot.0 -
Further observations on RantyDadGate. And I come to it fresh. as someone who has read no news since this morning.
1. Boris' "there's no press" thing was oddly crap, weak and silly
2. Boris really needs to learn how to handle this stuff better, But he's clever so he possibly will
3. The man went somewhat too far, shouting and dribbling, and looked a bit mad
4. For that reason, I think, neutrals will side with Boris.
5. Because we've all been with a mad ranter like that. No one likes it. Even if the ranter has a point, as this man maybe did
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Solidarity, comrade!1
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Good evening. After almost 10 years, on-and-off, lurking on here, for the first time I actually feel compelled to post.
First off it’s almost an honour to enter the fray with you ladies and gents.
This episode which has consumed PB this evening - even deserving its own thread - is one of the most bizarre incidents to attract such impassioned comments. As always those who detest Boris, will, no matter what the circumstances, use the episode to further entrench their views. Rightly or wrongly. Those who like him - argue the opposite. There’s no opinion changing event here. Everyone sees and believe me what they want to see.
If Boris were to personally cure cancer tomorrow, his detractors would complain that he ignored those suffering from another potentially fatal disease.
Nevertheless. In all of this one thing is apparent to me. When was the last time Mr Corbyn was let loose from his carers to mix with “ordinary people”? Perhaps instead of being followed and surrounded by his Momentum groupies on any outing and preaching to selected adoring crowds, he actually spoke to the “normal” law abiding, tax paying, mortgage paying, credit card paying, car loan paying, pension saving, charity giving majority of people that would be the first ones his first wonderful “socialist revolution” would drive into the sea.
Anyway. Hello again all. Feels weird posting here 😂2 -
Well it has become a manufactured row and a story about a journalist rather than the event itself, but hypothetically if it had not involved someone who is a labour activist he still didn't handle it great, albeit I don't think it would generally matter.SouthamObserver said:
Johnson could have asked about the child’s condition. He could have wished her a speedy recovery. He could even have asked her name. He chose to lie instead. The story, though, is not the mendacity of the Prime Minister, but the political affiliation of the father. Hmmm.kle4 said:
The problem may be that such an event does not lend itself to folksy charm, which might appear disrespectful. Difficult to prepare for a hostile, and very personal, complaint, justified or not. Boris is not without charm, in an odd way, but the more traditional smoothness of a regular politician probably makes responding in those situations a little easier.Richard_Nabavi said:
3. Thinking about how a skilled politician such as Blair or Cameron would have handled it, I think the big missing ingredient is that Boris doesn't engage in any way with the ranter. He doesn't ask any questions, he doesn't offer anything, he does nothing to disarm and charm the guy. OK, that's not at all an easy thing to do, but isn't folksy charm supposed to be Boris's strength, the one which will win over Labour-inclined voters?0 -
Is he? Are you sure?FrankBooth said:I'm amazed by all the criticism of Laura Kuenssberg. I've always thought she seemed like a competent journalist.
On the other hand Robert Peston in spite of his sycophantic biography of Gordon Brown is treated like a sage.
He’s treated like a joke on here.0 -
When are we getting the next YouGov poll (no doubt showing a huge Tory lead)? I thought the Times had been releasing one on Wednesday (or even Tuesday?) the past few weeks.0
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On a related note, does anyone know what the ratings for the ten o’clock news programmes are doing?
I know we’ve mostly stopped watching because we’re bored of endless Brexit commentary and precious little news. I think the shortening of the programme hasn’t helped, as there’s now rarely much space for anything else.
We might be odd, but it would interesting to see.
Edit - And yes, obviously the PM comes over as a tit. But it won’t shift votes.0 -
Cameron was so good he negotiated the worst negotiation in history, and then lost the unloseable referendum, and then wrote an embarrassingly pathetic memoir trying to justify his own mediocrity, which made it all worse.Richard_Nabavi said:
Having sort-of met him, I can't say I can really see much charm. He's always looking round for a camera or for someone more important to talk to. The really good retail politicians - think Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan, or Cameron or Blair - have that special knack of making the person they are talking to feel as though they are for a moment the centre of the politician's attention.kle4 said:The problem may be that such an event does not lend itself to folksy charm, which might appear disrespectful. Difficult to prepare for a hostile, and very personal, complaint, justified or not. Boris is not without charm, in an odd way, but the more traditional smoothness of a regular politician probably makes responding in those situations a little easier.
Really. Stop. Your fanboi adoration of Cameron, despite monumental evidence otherwise, is infecting everything you write, and makes you look like a twat.0 -
"They're doing their part. Are you? Join the Brexit Infantry and save the world. Service guarantees Settled Status."kle4 said:
Starship Troopers, hands down.kinabalu said:
Interesting category!OnlyLivingBoy said:One of the best bad films ever made.
American Gigolo for me.
Terrible movie.
Seen it at least 10 times. Would watch it again right now if it came on.1 -
Looks like the DUP are folding .
The penny has finally dropped . A no deal and they’re toast .0 -
Your ass is assless, just saying.MarqueeMark said:Solidarity, comrade!
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Is it an okapis?kinabalu said:
Mmm, I wonder.HYUFD said:Since becoming PM Boris has improved his net approval rating with the public from -21% to -16%.
Corbyn on the other hand is still stuck on an abysmal -49%
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/09/17/despite-difficulties-parliament-boris-has-grown-po
Why do you have a donkey logo now?0 -
Source?nico67 said:Looks like the DUP are folding .
The penny has finally dropped . A no deal and they’re toast .0 -
I have heard from others who have met him personally that he's not charming in that sense as well, but I was thinking more that he has a certain charm and appear in small doses and on TV. It's not precisely the charisn'tma of Nobby Nobs (Discworld reference for the unitiated) and I think people overdo it purely because he did well to win the London mayoralty, but I wouldn't dispute he has a bumbling, entertaining way about him. He has appeal, but I wonder about his one on one skills.Richard_Nabavi said:
Having sort-of met him, I can't say I can really see much charm. He's always looking round for a camera or for someone more important to talk to. The really good retail politicians - think Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan, or Cameron or Blair - have that special knack of making the person they are talking to feel as though they are for a moment the centre of the politician's attention.kle4 said:The problem may be that such an event does not lend itself to folksy charm, which might appear disrespectful. Difficult to prepare for a hostile, and very personal, complaint, justified or not. Boris is not without charm, in an odd way, but the more traditional smoothness of a regular politician probably makes responding in those situations a little easier.
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Two cheeks of the same Ass??MarqueeMark said:Solidarity, comrade!
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Starship Troopers is a magnificent hymnn to the joys of Fascism, with plenty of gratuitous nudity and a fair bit of senseless gore. I watch it every time t comes on.kle4 said:
Starship Troopers, hands down.kinabalu said:
Interesting category!OnlyLivingBoy said:One of the best bad films ever made.
American Gigolo for me.
Terrible movie.
Seen it at least 10 times. Would watch it again right now if it came on.
Showgirls by Verhoeven is strangely compelling too.0 -
Wilkommen! Good first post. You'll find us a boisterous crowd, but generally kind and sweet-natured, apart from Noo, who is a kunt.ozymandias said:Good evening. After almost 10 years, on-and-off, lurking on here, for the first time I actually feel compelled to post.
First off it’s almost an honour to enter the fray with you ladies and gents.
This episode which has consumed PB this evening - even deserving its own thread - is one of the most bizarre incidents to attract such impassioned comments. As always those who detest Boris, will, no matter what the circumstances, use the episode to further entrench their views. Rightly or wrongly. Those who like him - argue the opposite. There’s no opinion changing event here. Everyone sees and believe me what they want to see.
If Boris were to personally cure cancer tomorrow, his detractors would complain that he ignored those suffering from another potentially fatal disease.
Nevertheless. In all of this one thing is apparent to me. When was the last time Mr Corbyn was let loose from his carers to mix with “ordinary people”? Perhaps instead of being followed and surrounded by his Momentum groupies on any outing and preaching to selected adoring crowds, he actually spoke to the “normal” law abiding, tax paying, mortgage paying, credit card paying, car loan paying, pension saving, charity giving majority of people that would be the first ones his first wonderful “socialist revolution” would drive into the sea.
Anyway. Hello again all. Feels weird posting here 😂-1 -
Heard that one before. Folding in a way that helps, since if it is not in a way which Tories will back (that is, if the BXP cries of betrayal will be too loud) that's no good, unless they are on board with the Labour plan now.nico67 said:Looks like the DUP are folding .
But I'll believe the DUP have folded when their names show up on the parliamentary voting app on WA vote.
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In the Guardian but the direction of travel has been evident for a few weeks now .Benpointer said:
Source?nico67 said:Looks like the DUP are folding .
The penny has finally dropped . A no deal and they’re toast .
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Source. Sky news ticker.Benpointer said:
Source?nico67 said:Looks like the DUP are folding .
The penny has finally dropped . A no deal and they’re toast .0 -
You seem a bit obsessed. If it helps, try re-reading what I wrote without the two words 'or Cameron'. It doesn't alter the sense of what I said, but might help your comprehension.Byronic said:
Cameron was so good he negotiated the worst negotiation in history, and then lost the unloseable referendum, and then wrote an embarrassingly pathetic memoir trying to justify his own mediocrity, which made it all worse.Richard_Nabavi said:
Having sort-of met him, I can't say I can really see much charm. He's always looking round for a camera or for someone more important to talk to. The really good retail politicians - think Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan, or Cameron or Blair - have that special knack of making the person they are talking to feel as though they are for a moment the centre of the politician's attention.kle4 said:The problem may be that such an event does not lend itself to folksy charm, which might appear disrespectful. Difficult to prepare for a hostile, and very personal, complaint, justified or not. Boris is not without charm, in an odd way, but the more traditional smoothness of a regular politician probably makes responding in those situations a little easier.
Really. Stop. Your fanboi adoration of Cameron, despite monumental evidence otherwise, is infecting everything you write, and makes you look like a twat.0 -
The Times is reporting a poll that has the LibDems above Labour. I guess it’s their latest YouGov. No numbers, though.0
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Been out to see Bait (I was somewhat immune to its supposed charms).
So - Finland says that if Boris doesn't play ball by the end of September, then it's No Deal. Presumably no further discussions, no extensions.
And then the House comes back from prorogation.
Have all Boris's Christmases just come at once?1 -
Welcome to PB!ozymandias said:Good evening. After almost 10 years, on-and-off, lurking on here, for the first time I actually feel compelled to post.
First off it’s almost an honour to enter the fray with you ladies and gents.
This episode which has consumed PB this evening - even deserving its own thread - is one of the most bizarre incidents to attract such impassioned comments. As always those who detest Boris, will, no matter what the circumstances, use the episode to further entrench their views. Rightly or wrongly. Those who like him - argue the opposite. There’s no opinion changing event here. Everyone sees and believe me what they want to see.
If Boris were to personally cure cancer tomorrow, his detractors would complain that he ignored those suffering from another potentially fatal disease.
Nevertheless. In all of this one thing is apparent to me. When was the last time Mr Corbyn was let loose from his carers to mix with “ordinary people”? Perhaps instead of being followed and surrounded by his Momentum groupies on any outing and preaching to selected adoring crowds, he actually spoke to the “normal” law abiding, tax paying, mortgage paying, credit card paying, car loan paying, pension saving, charity giving majority of people that would be the first ones his first wonderful “socialist revolution” would drive into the sea.
Anyway. Hello again all. Feels weird posting here 😂
Interesting post. I think Corbyn showed in 2017 that he's a pretty handy campaigner. I suspect we'll see how he an BoJo compare in next year's (surely inevitable) GE.
I am no fan of either, but personally I think Corbyn will out-campaign Boris by some margin. But who knows - time will tell.0 -
LOL.MarqueeMark said:Been out to see Bait (I was somewhat immune to its supposed charms).
So - Finland says that if Boris doesn't play ball by the end of September, then it's No Deal. Presumably no further discussions, no extensions.
And then the House comes back from prorogation.
Have all Boris's Christmases just come at once?
No, I am Spartacus.0 -
The knock off sequels are just terrible I'm told (only seen the second), but if you haven't seen the musical number from the third you truly must, it's greatFoxy said:
Starship Troopers is a magnificent hymnn to the joys of Fascism, with plenty of gratuitous nudity and a fair bit of senseless gore. I watch it every time t comes on.kle4 said:
Starship Troopers, hands down.kinabalu said:
Interesting category!OnlyLivingBoy said:One of the best bad films ever made.
American Gigolo for me.
Terrible movie.
Seen it at least 10 times. Would watch it again right now if it came on.
Showgirls by Verhoeven is strangely compelling too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIsv1YOFNys
Though I'm just a sucker for a musical number. The Green Party PPB from 2015 is well worth it for the Ed M, Cameron, Clegg and Farage 'lookalikes' singing a song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPgS7p40ERg&list=FLg5SdxeHca5JpoZ1j9-RpJg&index=46&t=0s0 -
TidiedByronic said:
Wilkommen! Good first post. You'll find us a boisterous crowd, but generally kind and sweet-natured, apart from Byronic, who is a kunt.ozymandias said:Good evening. After almost 10 years, on-and-off, lurking on here, for the first time I actually feel compelled to post.
First off it’s almost an honour to enter the fray with you ladies and gents.
This episode which has consumed PB this evening - even deserving its own thread - is one of the most bizarre incidents to attract such impassioned comments. As always those who detest Boris, will, no matter what the circumstances, use the episode to further entrench their views. Rightly or wrongly. Those who like him - argue the opposite. There’s no opinion changing event here. Everyone sees and believe me what they want to see.
If Boris were to personally cure cancer tomorrow, his detractors would complain that he ignored those suffering from another potentially fatal disease.
Nevertheless. In all of this one thing is apparent to me. When was the last time Mr Corbyn was let loose from his carers to mix with “ordinary people”? Perhaps instead of being followed and surrounded by his Momentum groupies on any outing and preaching to selected adoring crowds, he actually spoke to the “normal” law abiding, tax paying, mortgage paying, credit card paying, car loan paying, pension saving, charity giving majority of people that would be the first ones his first wonderful “socialist revolution” would drive into the sea.
Anyway. Hello again all. Feels weird posting here 😂
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It has become very clear that the EU have not been negotiating in good faith,Noo said:
Quite a long way from "leave with a deep & special partnership with the EU". How times change.Byronic said:We are Great Britain. We will endure. They can all go and do one. Fuck them.
I hope (and suspect) that it will bite them on the arse. Imperial overreach....0 -
I know him, vaguely, and I know LOTS of people that are close to him.kle4 said:
I have heard from others who have met him personally that he's not charming in that sense as well, but I was thinking more that he has a certain charm and appear in small doses and on TV. It's not precisely the charisn'tma of Nobby Nobs (Discworld reference for the unitiated) and I think people overdo it purely because he did well to win the London mayoralty, but I wouldn't dispute he has a bumbling, entertaining way about him. He has appeal, but I wonder about his one on one skills.Richard_Nabavi said:
Having sort-of met him, I can't say I can really see much charm. He's always looking round for a camera or for someone more important to talk to. The really good retail politicians - think Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan, or Cameron or Blair - have that special knack of making the person they are talking to feel as though they are for a moment the centre of the politician's attention.kle4 said:The problem may be that such an event does not lend itself to folksy charm, which might appear disrespectful. Difficult to prepare for a hostile, and very personal, complaint, justified or not. Boris is not without charm, in an odd way, but the more traditional smoothness of a regular politician probably makes responding in those situations a little easier.
By all accounts he is genuinely charming, and funny, albeit obviously very ambitious and very competitive, and this gets in the way of some relationships. That is to say, in the end he is mostly out for himself.... but aren't we all?
Certainly, I cannot think of a truly successful politician who wasn't egotistical and driven.
Also, his "success" as a womanizer indicates a considerable amount of charisma. He's had a lot of very alluring girlfriends, and he's not particularly goodlooking or imposing. He's five foot nine.
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Welcome, Ye Mighty! We will look upon your posts, and despair!ozymandias said:Good evening. After almost 10 years, on-and-off, lurking on here, for the first time I actually feel compelled to post.
First off it’s almost an honour to enter the fray with you ladies and gents.
This episode which has consumed PB this evening - even deserving its own thread - is one of the most bizarre incidents to attract such impassioned comments. As always those who detest Boris, will, no matter what the circumstances, use the episode to further entrench their views. Rightly or wrongly. Those who like him - argue the opposite. There’s no opinion changing event here. Everyone sees and believe me what they want to see.
If Boris were to personally cure cancer tomorrow, his detractors would complain that he ignored those suffering from another potentially fatal disease.
Nevertheless. In all of this one thing is apparent to me. When was the last time Mr Corbyn was let loose from his carers to mix with “ordinary people”? Perhaps instead of being followed and surrounded by his Momentum groupies on any outing and preaching to selected adoring crowds, he actually spoke to the “normal” law abiding, tax paying, mortgage paying, credit card paying, car loan paying, pension saving, charity giving majority of people that would be the first ones his first wonderful “socialist revolution” would drive into the sea.
Anyway. Hello again all. Feels weird posting here 😂4 -
Your editing of my post is straight out of the Lynton Crosby playbook.viewcode said:
HOW??? How in the name of all that is holy did we end up discussing the ramifications of a trap that the supposed perpetrator could not possibly have perpetrated?Mexicanpete said:
Assuming the Labour guy did set a tasteless trap....HYUFD said:
Tory activists are now going to fight Corbynistas round for round, stunts like these will not go unansweredydoethur said:
The line from No. 10 has been unexpectedly dignified. That doesn't give Johnson a hospital pass for the stupidest lie since the Titanic was advertised as unsinkable, but at least it showed some sense.DavidL said:
I honestly find that repugnant. Is the man’s daughter ill? Is she receiving treatment? How the f*** is that a set up then?HYUFD said:This was a set up by a Labour activist, ignore
https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1174314704589807616?s=20
It is of course ridiculous to hold the PM responsible for an alleged shortage of staff on a particular ward. It is equally appalling to use sick kids as some sort of prop to show how you “care”. Pretending it’s not a PR stunt when it so obviously is is pretty contemptible. Politicians who play with fire occasionally get burnt. It goes with the territory.
The line from Tory activists has been disgusting. They really are reminding me of Corbynistas and not in a good way.
My point was that assuming, as HYUFD was implying this was a trap set by a Corbyn acolyte (not something I would agree with) Johnson nonetheless was no innocent victim as once again he demonstrated how adept he is at placing his foot firmly in his mouth.0 -
Until the bureaucracy loses your paperwork...Sunil_Prasannan said:
"They're doing their part. Are you? Join the Brexit Infantry and save the world. Service guarantees Settled Status."kle4 said:
Starship Troopers, hands down.kinabalu said:
Interesting category!OnlyLivingBoy said:One of the best bad films ever made.
American Gigolo for me.
Terrible movie.
Seen it at least 10 times. Would watch it again right now if it came on.0 -
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He’s not particularly charming at all in real life, and I say this having met him twice. He’s friendly enough but Richard’s characterisation of his shifting about and being rather awkward is apt.kle4 said:
I have heard from others who have met him personally that he's not charming in that sense as well, but I was thinking more that he has a certain charm and appear in small doses and on TV. It's not precisely the charisn'tma of Nobby Nobs (Discworld reference for the unitiated) and I think people overdo it purely because he did well to win the London mayoralty, but I wouldn't dispute he has a bumbling, entertaining way about him. He has appeal, but I wonder about his one on one skills.Richard_Nabavi said:
Having sort-of met him, I can't say I can really see much charm. He's always looking round for a camera or for someone more important to talk to. The really good retail politicians - think Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan, or Cameron or Blair - have that special knack of making the person they are talking to feel as though they are for a moment the centre of the politician's attention.kle4 said:The problem may be that such an event does not lend itself to folksy charm, which might appear disrespectful. Difficult to prepare for a hostile, and very personal, complaint, justified or not. Boris is not without charm, in an odd way, but the more traditional smoothness of a regular politician probably makes responding in those situations a little easier.
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It's worse than that: I'm a proud European.Byronic said:
Wilkommen! Good first post. You'll find us a boisterous crowd, but generally kind and sweet-natured, apart from Noo, who is a kunt.ozymandias said:Good evening. After almost 10 years, on-and-off, lurking on here, for the first time I actually feel compelled to post.
First off it’s almost an honour to enter the fray with you ladies and gents.
This episode which has consumed PB this evening - even deserving its own thread - is one of the most bizarre incidents to attract such impassioned comments. As always those who detest Boris, will, no matter what the circumstances, use the episode to further entrench their views. Rightly or wrongly. Those who like him - argue the opposite. There’s no opinion changing event here. Everyone sees and believe me what they want to see.
If Boris were to personally cure cancer tomorrow, his detractors would complain that he ignored those suffering from another potentially fatal disease.
Nevertheless. In all of this one thing is apparent to me. When was the last time Mr Corbyn was let loose from his carers to mix with “ordinary people”? Perhaps instead of being followed and surrounded by his Momentum groupies on any outing and preaching to selected adoring crowds, he actually spoke to the “normal” law abiding, tax paying, mortgage paying, credit card paying, car loan paying, pension saving, charity giving majority of people that would be the first ones his first wonderful “socialist revolution” would drive into the sea.
Anyway. Hello again all. Feels weird posting here 😂0 -
Tiresomely boring. Give it up.Richard_Nabavi said:
You seem a bit obsessed. If it helps, try re-reading what I wrote without the two words 'or Cameron'. It doesn't alter the sense of what I said, but might help your comprehension.Byronic said:
Cameron was so good he negotiated the worst negotiation in history, and then lost the unloseable referendum, and then wrote an embarrassingly pathetic memoir trying to justify his own mediocrity, which made it all worse.Richard_Nabavi said:
Having sort-of met him, I can't say I can really see much charm. He's always looking round for a camera or for someone more important to talk to. The really good retail politicians - think Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan, or Cameron or Blair - have that special knack of making the person they are talking to feel as though they are for a moment the centre of the politician's attention.kle4 said:The problem may be that such an event does not lend itself to folksy charm, which might appear disrespectful. Difficult to prepare for a hostile, and very personal, complaint, justified or not. Boris is not without charm, in an odd way, but the more traditional smoothness of a regular politician probably makes responding in those situations a little easier.
Really. Stop. Your fanboi adoration of Cameron, despite monumental evidence otherwise, is infecting everything you write, and makes you look like a twat.0 -
Message to Labour activists : If you play with matches you may get burnt.Anabobazina said:
Very cackhanded to my mind. As I say, she’s just a bit crap.Carnyx said:
She put out a tweet which rather abruptly stated the gent was a Labour activist - see here.Gallowgate said:Laura K literally quoted the guy to give coverage of his side of the story. The attacks on her are ridiculous. What is wrong with this country?
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1174318249460281346
and then linked to his twitter account.
I'm not clued enough about twitter mechanics to judge, but even at the time it did seem rather abrupt and dismissive.
She was on the money.
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I am aware.....Benpointer said:
Your ass is assless, just saying.MarqueeMark said:Solidarity, comrade!
I'm not a complete ass, you know.1 -
OOOOH!SouthamObserver said:The Times is reporting a poll that has the LibDems above Labour. I guess it’s their latest YouGov. No numbers, though.
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Lib Dems overtake Labour in a poll on the front of tomorrow's Times1
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I think there are two interesting things with this story.Byronic said:Further observations on RantyDadGate. And I come to it fresh. as someone who has read no news since this morning.
1. Boris' "there's no press" thing was oddly crap, weak and silly
2. Boris really needs to learn how to handle this stuff better, But he's clever so he possibly will
3. The man went somewhat too far, shouting and dribbling, and looked a bit mad
4. For that reason, I think, neutrals will side with Boris.
5. Because we've all been with a mad ranter like that. No one likes it. Even if the ranter has a point, as this man maybe did
One is the tendency of politicians, not just Johnson, to sweep into hospitals with press entourages and impose themselves on patients, who are literally captive and probably feel fragile, stressed and ill. And no doubt also feel manipulated by these politicians co opting them to their propaganda. Hospitals really should develop policies to stop politicians doing this.
The second is Johnson's astonishing capacity for lying.0 -
Let's see if they can maintain it this time - a few days or weeks of that would really rattle the cages.TheScreamingEagles said:Lib Dems overtake Labour in a poll on the front of tomorrow's Times
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Lab's Brexit policy cutting through.TheScreamingEagles said:Lib Dems overtake Labour in a poll on the front of tomorrow's Times
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It looks as though your ass is too big, is my helpful feedback.MarqueeMark said:
I am aware.....Benpointer said:
Your ass is assless, just saying.MarqueeMark said:Solidarity, comrade!
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I agree that Boris is a big fat liar. I don't however, think he was lying this time, he was just a bit rattled by the man's aggression.FF43 said:
I think there are two interesting things with this story.Byronic said:Further observations on RantyDadGate. And I come to it fresh. as someone who has read no news since this morning.
1. Boris' "there's no press" thing was oddly crap, weak and silly
2. Boris really needs to learn how to handle this stuff better, But he's clever so he possibly will
3. The man went somewhat too far, shouting and dribbling, and looked a bit mad
4. For that reason, I think, neutrals will side with Boris.
5. Because we've all been with a mad ranter like that. No one likes it. Even if the ranter has a point, as this man maybe did
One is the tendency of politicians, not just Johnson, to sweep into hospitals with press entourages and impose themselves on patients, who are literally captive and probably feel fragile, stressed and ill. And no doubt also feel manipulated by these politicians co opting them to their propaganda. Hospitals really should develop policies to stop politicians doing this.
The second is Johnson's astonishing capacity for lying.
But this is part of the job of PM, and Boris needs to toughen up.0 -
Conference bounce.TheScreamingEagles said:Lib Dems overtake Labour in a poll on the front of tomorrow's Times
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Yes, but political charisma can be a bit different to personal charisma. By all accounts there are plenty who have the latter but don't have the former. Boris has some of the former, but he's been about so long I don't think it is as effective as it used to be.Byronic said:
I know him, vaguely, and I know LOTS of people that are close to him.kle4 said:
I have heard from others who have met him personally that he's not charming in that sense as well, but I was thinking more that he has a certain charm and appear in small doses and on TV. It's not precisely the charisn'tma of Nobby Nobs (Discworld reference for the unitiated) and I think people overdo it purely because he did well to win the London mayoralty, but I wouldn't dispute he has a bumbling, entertaining way about him. He has appeal, but I wonder about his one on one skills.Richard_Nabavi said:
Having sort-of met him, I can't say I can really see much charm. He's always looking round for a camera or for someone more important to talk to. The really good retail politicians - think Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan, or Cameron or Blair - have that special knack of making the person they are talking to feel as though they are for a moment the centre of the politician's attention.kle4 said:The problem may be that such an event does not lend itself to folksy charm, which might appear disrespectful. Difficult to prepare for a hostile, and very personal, complaint, justified or not. Boris is not without charm, in an odd way, but the more traditional smoothness of a regular politician probably makes responding in those situations a little easier.
By all accounts he is genuinely charming, and funny, albeit obviously very ambitious and very competitive, and this gets in the way of some relationships. That is to say, in the end he is mostly out for himself.... but aren't we all?
Certainly, I cannot think of a truly successful politician who wasn't egotistical and driven.
Also, his "success" as a womanizer indicates a considerable amount of charisma. He's had a lot of very alluring girlfriends, and he's not particularly goodlooking or imposing. He's five foot nine.0 -
I don't think that quite true. If in 11 days there are no viable new proposals, then the WA stands as it is. As it is a new Parliamentary session, it could be voted on, not that I think it would be.MarqueeMark said:Been out to see Bait (I was somewhat immune to its supposed charms).
So - Finland says that if Boris doesn't play ball by the end of September, then it's No Deal. Presumably no further discussions, no extensions.
And then the House comes back from prorogation.
Have all Boris's Christmases just come at once?
Also it is mandated that Boris has to ask for an extension, and there are plenty of reasons that would be granted, such as a GE or PeoplesVote.
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In a similar vein, Byronic is legless.Benpointer said:
Your ass is assless, just saying.MarqueeMark said:Solidarity, comrade!
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Interesting YouGov poll on no deal .
Who would be most to blame for a no deal and the results were a bit of a surprise .
The UK government 57%
The EU 25%0 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo_-KoBiBG0Noo said:
It's worse than that: I'm a proud European.Byronic said:
Wilkommen! Good first post. You'll find us a boisterous crowd, but generally kind and sweet-natured, apart from Noo, who is a kunt.ozymandias said:Good evening. After almost 10 years, on-and-off, lurking on here, for the first time I actually feel compelled to post.
First off it’s almost an honour to enter the fray with you ladies and gents.
This episode which has consumed PB this evening - even deserving its own thread - is one of the most bizarre incidents to attract such impassioned comments. As always those who detest Boris, will, no matter what the circumstances, use the episode to further entrench their views. Rightly or wrongly. Those who like him - argue the opposite. There’s no opinion changing event here. Everyone sees and believe me what they want to see.
If Boris were to personally cure cancer tomorrow, his detractors would complain that he ignored those suffering from another potentially fatal disease.
Nevertheless. In all of this one thing is apparent to me. When was the last time Mr Corbyn was let loose from his carers to mix with “ordinary people”? Perhaps instead of being followed and surrounded by his Momentum groupies on any outing and preaching to selected adoring crowds, he actually spoke to the “normal” law abiding, tax paying, mortgage paying, credit card paying, car loan paying, pension saving, charity giving majority of people that would be the first ones his first wonderful “socialist revolution” would drive into the sea.
Anyway. Hello again all. Feels weird posting here 😂0 -
Not surprising. I wonder what has to happen before Jeremy gets the message?TheScreamingEagles said:Lib Dems overtake Labour in a poll on the front of tomorrow's Times
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Has it ever been established if Conference bounce is a real thing, or is it just assumed? I'd believe it, but I'm curious as there must have been research on it.SandyRentool said:
Conference bounce.TheScreamingEagles said:Lib Dems overtake Labour in a poll on the front of tomorrow's Times
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https://twitter.com/mshelicat/status/1174435730732527621?s=21Byronic said:
OOOOH!SouthamObserver said:The Times is reporting a poll that has the LibDems above Labour. I guess it’s their latest YouGov. No numbers, though.
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Boris was sacked for lying on two occasions:FF43 said:
I think there are two interesting things with this story.Byronic said:Further observations on RantyDadGate. And I come to it fresh. as someone who has read no news since this morning.
1. Boris' "there's no press" thing was oddly crap, weak and silly
2. Boris really needs to learn how to handle this stuff better, But he's clever so he possibly will
3. The man went somewhat too far, shouting and dribbling, and looked a bit mad
4. For that reason, I think, neutrals will side with Boris.
5. Because we've all been with a mad ranter like that. No one likes it. Even if the ranter has a point, as this man maybe did
One is the tendency of politicians, not just Johnson, to sweep into hospitals with press entourages and impose themselves on patients, who are literally captive and probably feel fragile, stressed and ill. And no doubt also feel manipulated by these politicians co opting them to their propaganda. Hospitals really should develop policies to stop politicians doing this.
The second is Johnson's astonishing capacity for lying.
1) In 1987 he was sacked from The Times for making up a quote by historian Colin Lucas
2) in 2004 he was sacked from the Tory Shadow Front Bench for lying about his affair with Petronella Wyatt (the "Inverted Pyramid of Piffle")0 -
I know but I was just reporting new information.Noo said:
In a similar vein, Byronic is legless.Benpointer said:
Your ass is assless, just saying.MarqueeMark said:Solidarity, comrade!
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Might be the same session depending on what the judges say!Foxy said:
As it is a new Parliamentary sessionMarqueeMark said:Been out to see Bait (I was somewhat immune to its supposed charms).
So - Finland says that if Boris doesn't play ball by the end of September, then it's No Deal. Presumably no further discussions, no extensions.
And then the House comes back from prorogation.
Have all Boris's Christmases just come at once?
Regardless, they could always vote on the WA again, if they had the votes to pass it, since they could suspend standing orders.
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The figures go up on the Times website by around 00.15 but I'm knackered so I'm not sure if I'll be awake to publish the figures.0
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Rousing! Better than the queeny dirge that we're stuck with.OblitusSumMe said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo_-KoBiBG0Noo said:
It's worse than that: I'm a proud European.Byronic said:
Wilkommen! Good first post. You'll find us a boisterous crowd, but generally kind and sweet-natured, apart from Noo, who is a kunt.ozymandias said:Good evening. After almost 10 years, on-and-off, lurking on here, for the first time I actually feel compelled to post.
First off it’s almost an honour to enter the fray with you ladies and gents.
This episode which has consumed PB this evening - even deserving its own thread - is one of the most bizarre incidents to attract such impassioned comments. As always those who detest Boris, will, no matter what the circumstances, use the episode to further entrench their views. Rightly or wrongly. Those who like him - argue the opposite. There’s no opinion changing event here. Everyone sees and believe me what they want to see.
If Boris were to personally cure cancer tomorrow, his detractors would complain that he ignored those suffering from another potentially fatal disease.
Nevertheless. In all of this one thing is apparent to me. When was the last time Mr Corbyn was let loose from his carers to mix with “ordinary people”? Perhaps instead of being followed and surrounded by his Momentum groupies on any outing and preaching to selected adoring crowds, he actually spoke to the “normal” law abiding, tax paying, mortgage paying, credit card paying, car loan paying, pension saving, charity giving majority of people that would be the first ones his first wonderful “socialist revolution” would drive into the sea.
Anyway. Hello again all. Feels weird posting here 😂0 -
When you are frustrated with the NHS, and there is often plenty of reason to be frustrated, you want to go to the top and shake them into action. I have no doubt this bloke was frustrated and look who waltzed into the ward none other than the person at the very top.Byronic said:
I agree that Boris is a big fat liar. I don't however, think he was lying this time, he was just a bit rattled by the man's aggression.FF43 said:
I think there are two interesting things with this story.Byronic said:Further observations on RantyDadGate. And I come to it fresh. as someone who has read no news since this morning.
1. Boris' "there's no press" thing was oddly crap, weak and silly
2. Boris really needs to learn how to handle this stuff better, But he's clever so he possibly will
3. The man went somewhat too far, shouting and dribbling, and looked a bit mad
4. For that reason, I think, neutrals will side with Boris.
5. Because we've all been with a mad ranter like that. No one likes it. Even if the ranter has a point, as this man maybe did
One is the tendency of politicians, not just Johnson, to sweep into hospitals with press entourages and impose themselves on patients, who are literally captive and probably feel fragile, stressed and ill. And no doubt also feel manipulated by these politicians co opting them to their propaganda. Hospitals really should develop policies to stop politicians doing this.
The second is Johnson's astonishing capacity for lying.
But this is part of the job of PM, and Boris needs to toughen up.
Had I been in a similar situation I would have done exactly the same. With bells on.0 -
One for our friend Casino.OblitusSumMe said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo_-KoBiBG0Noo said:
It's worse than that: I'm a proud European.Byronic said:
Wilkommen! Good first post. You'll find us a boisterous crowd, but generally kind and sweet-natured, apart from Noo, who is a kunt.ozymandias said:Good evening. After almost 10 years, on-and-off, lurking on here, for the first time I actually feel compelled to post.
First off it’s almost an honour to enter the fray with you ladies and gents.
This episode which has consumed PB this evening - even deserving its own thread - is one of the most bizarre incidents to attract such impassioned comments. As always those who detest Boris, will, no matter what the circumstances, use the episode to further entrench their views. Rightly or wrongly. Those who like him - argue the opposite. There’s no opinion changing event here. Everyone sees and believe me what they want to see.
If Boris were to personally cure cancer tomorrow, his detractors would complain that he ignored those suffering from another potentially fatal disease.
Nevertheless. In all of this one thing is apparent to me. When was the last time Mr Corbyn was let loose from his carers to mix with “ordinary people”? Perhaps instead of being followed and surrounded by his Momentum groupies on any outing and preaching to selected adoring crowds, he actually spoke to the “normal” law abiding, tax paying, mortgage paying, credit card paying, car loan paying, pension saving, charity giving majority of people that would be the first ones his first wonderful “socialist revolution” would drive into the sea.
Anyway. Hello again all. Feels weird posting here 😂0 -
Confirmed, disaster for Corbyn, seems Swinson's gamble has paid offTheScreamingEagles said:Lib Dems overtake Labour in a poll on the front of tomorrow's Times
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Revoke is political suicide, we were told...SandyRentool said:
Conference bounce.TheScreamingEagles said:Lib Dems overtake Labour in a poll on the front of tomorrow's Times
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The last YouGov poll had
Lab 23%
Lib Dems 19%
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Conference bounce.TheScreamingEagles said:Lib Dems overtake Labour in a poll on the front of tomorrow's Times
Be interesting if the SC rules that prorogation was improper. Labour then don't get a Conference to get their own bounce.
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It would be a marvellous thing for the country if the Lib Dems could permanently supplant Labour as the principal leftwing party of Opposition/GovernmentGallowgate said:
https://twitter.com/mshelicat/status/1174435730732527621?s=21Byronic said:
OOOOH!SouthamObserver said:The Times is reporting a poll that has the LibDems above Labour. I guess it’s their latest YouGov. No numbers, though.
As I've been saying on here for months, if we continue to echo the post indyref Scottish example (and I see no reason why not) then this is exactly what should happen; just as Scon replaced Slab (because Scon were seen as the most vigorously unionist party), so the Libs should replace Corbyn's :Labour (because the Libs are the most Remainery).0 -
I might still be awake so I'll have a look.TheScreamingEagles said:The figures go up on the Times website by around 00.15 but I'm knackered so I'm not sure if I'll be awake to publish the figures.
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Coming 3rd in a GE.Roger said:
Not surprising. I wonder what has to happen before Jeremy gets the message?TheScreamingEagles said:Lib Dems overtake Labour in a poll on the front of tomorrow's Times
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Strong first post. Welcome. And you're right; the political climate is so polarised that anything and everything the PM does or has done to him is a Rorschach test. One side sees a appalling breach of diplomatic protocol and an activist using his sick daughter as political leverage, the other a PM humiliated and cowed twice in as many days.ozymandias said:Good evening. After almost 10 years, on-and-off, lurking on here, for the first time I actually feel compelled to post.
First off it’s almost an honour to enter the fray with you ladies and gents.
This episode which has consumed PB this evening - even deserving its own thread - is one of the most bizarre incidents to attract such impassioned comments. As always those who detest Boris, will, no matter what the circumstances, use the episode to further entrench their views. Rightly or wrongly. Those who like him - argue the opposite. There’s no opinion changing event here. Everyone sees and believe me what they want to see.
If Boris were to personally cure cancer tomorrow, his detractors would complain that he ignored those suffering from another potentially fatal disease.
Nevertheless. In all of this one thing is apparent to me. When was the last time Mr Corbyn was let loose from his carers to mix with “ordinary people”? Perhaps instead of being followed and surrounded by his Momentum groupies on any outing and preaching to selected adoring crowds, he actually spoke to the “normal” law abiding, tax paying, mortgage paying, credit card paying, car loan paying, pension saving, charity giving majority of people that would be the first ones his first wonderful “socialist revolution” would drive into the sea.
Anyway. Hello again all. Feels weird posting here 😂0 -
Could we split the difference and try to put the words to God save the Queen to the tune of Ode to Joy? God Ode to save the Joy Queen.Noo said:
Rousing! Better than the queeny dirge that we're stuck with.OblitusSumMe said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo_-KoBiBG0Noo said:
It's worse than that: I'm a proud European.Byronic said:
Wilkommen! Good first post. You'll find us a boisterous crowd, but generally kind and sweet-natured, apart from Noo, who is a kunt.ozymandias said:Good evening. After almost 10 years, on-and-off, lurking on here, for the first time I actually feel compelled to post.
First off it’s almost an honour to enter the fray with you ladies and gents.
This episode which has consumed PB this evening - even deserving its own thread - is one of the most bizarre incidents to attract such impassioned comments. As always those who detest Boris, will, no matter what the circumstances, use the episode to further entrench their views. Rightly or wrongly. Those who like him - argue the opposite. There’s no opinion changing event here. Everyone sees and believe me what they want to see.
If Boris were to personally cure cancer tomorrow, his detractors would complain that he ignored those suffering from another potentially fatal disease.
Nevertheless. In all of this one thing is apparent to me. When was the last time Mr Corbyn was let loose from his carers to mix with “ordinary people”? Perhaps instead of being followed and surrounded by his Momentum groupies on any outing and preaching to selected adoring crowds, he actually spoke to the “normal” law abiding, tax paying, mortgage paying, credit card paying, car loan paying, pension saving, charity giving majority of people that would be the first ones his first wonderful “socialist revolution” would drive into the sea.
Anyway. Hello again all. Feels weird posting here 😂0 -
My Youtube autoplay gave me this to follow it up with.Noo said:
Rousing! Better than the queeny dirge that we're stuck with.OblitusSumMe said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo_-KoBiBG0Noo said:
It's worse than that: I'm a proud European.Byronic said:
Wilkommen! Good first post. You'll find us a boisterous crowd, but generally kind and sweet-natured, apart from Noo, who is a kunt.ozymandias said:Good evening. After almost 10 years, on-and-off, lurking on here, for the first time I actually feel compelled to post.
First off it’s almost an honour to enter the fray with you ladies and gents.
This episode which has consumed PB this evening - even deserving its own thread - is one of the most bizarre incidents to attract such impassioned comments. As always those who detest Boris, will, no matter what the circumstances, use the episode to further entrench their views. Rightly or wrongly. Those who like him - argue the opposite. There’s no opinion changing event here. Everyone sees and believe me what they want to see.
If Boris were to personally cure cancer tomorrow, his detractors would complain that he ignored those suffering from another potentially fatal disease.
Nevertheless. In all of this one thing is apparent to me. When was the last time Mr Corbyn was let loose from his carers to mix with “ordinary people”? Perhaps instead of being followed and surrounded by his Momentum groupies on any outing and preaching to selected adoring crowds, he actually spoke to the “normal” law abiding, tax paying, mortgage paying, credit card paying, car loan paying, pension saving, charity giving majority of people that would be the first ones his first wonderful “socialist revolution” would drive into the sea.
Anyway. Hello again all. Feels weird posting here 😂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHNfvJc99YY
If the algorithms have this capacity for humour then I think the future might be okay.0 -
Corbyn wouldn't get the message even then. He is impervious to facts. All adversity shows that the world is immorally stacked against him, and his pure socialism is even lovelier and betterer than he thought.Benpointer said:
Coming 3rd in a GE.Roger said:
Not surprising. I wonder what has to happen before Jeremy gets the message?TheScreamingEagles said:Lib Dems overtake Labour in a poll on the front of tomorrow's Times
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So, we could have an extension to - what? Given the WA is locked. Makes no sense.Foxy said:
I don't think that quite true. If in 11 days there are no viable new proposals, then the WA stands as it is. As it is a new Parliamentary session, it could be voted on, not that I think it would be.MarqueeMark said:Been out to see Bait (I was somewhat immune to its supposed charms).
So - Finland says that if Boris doesn't play ball by the end of September, then it's No Deal. Presumably no further discussions, no extensions.
And then the House comes back from prorogation.
Have all Boris's Christmases just come at once?
Also it is mandated that Boris has to ask for an extension, and there are plenty of reasons that would be granted, such as a GE or PeoplesVote.
They should have the balls to tell us to just fuck off. Then we know where we stand.0
