I honestly find that repugnant. Is the man’s daughter ill? Is she receiving treatment? How the f*** is that a set up then?
Thousands of parents have kids in hospital everyday, most of them spend their time with their kids not going on ideological rants against the prime minister to push a political agenda just as he
I realise you are an adherent of Boris but surely you must realise that the scenario you have outlined is simply not possible.
This guy was a Labour activist with an agenda, I notice no other parents of patients bothered to leave their kids bedside to rant with the PM
Man with history of political activism has the confidence to tell public figure their opinion?
Other News at 10.
Seriously mate. Get a grip. This is pathetic.
Man with history of Labour activism seeks a political stunt.
I assume it's an allusion to your party leader's campaigning abilities?
"HYUFD's a fountain of misplaced rage. Name your cliché; Mother held him too much or not enough, last picked at kickball, late night sneaky uncle, whatever. Now he's so angry that moments of levity actually cause him pain; give him headaches. Happiness, for that gentleman, hurts."
Every time you use a quote Sunil, I never have a fecking clue where it's from or what it's supposed to imply.
I understand about four in five of them and I'm not sure it's to my credit.
It was Steve Buscemi in "Con Air" (1997).
One of the best bad films ever made.
"They somehow managed to get every Brexiteer and Leaver in the universe onto this one plane. And then somehow managed to let them take it over. And then somehow managed to stick us right smack in the middle."
I would say BBC News somewhat deflecting here, which in turn suggests implicit acknowledgement of an issue with Kuenssberg's reporting of the story. The accusation against Kuenssberg isn't malicious intent. The accusation is of poor editorial judgement that allowed a largely irrelevant detail about the parent's political background dominate a story about Johnson's visit to the hospital.
Except that plenty of the accusations are about malicious intent since the assertion of plenty is that she is a shill for BoJo, Secretary of State for propaganda etc. That's not about poor editorial judgement, but about partisan positioning. The former would have more legs as a story, but the most excited push the latter.
He is very good in unstructured situations so long as the atmosphere is lighthearted. Clowning around in a fish factory, that sort of thing. Without wanting to get too Carly Simon about it, nobody does it better.
I would say BBC News somewhat deflecting here, which in turn suggests implicit acknowledgement of an issue with Kuenssberg's reporting of the story. The accusation against Kuenssberg isn't malicious intent. The accusation is of poor editorial judgement that allowed a largely irrelevant detail about the parent's political background dominate a story about Johnson's visit to the hospital.
Largely irrelevant? Don't be absurd.
It's only relevant if this gentleman actually had ambushed Johnson. But as Johnson was in the hospital of his own free will, and Mr Salem, who had a sick child in the hospital wasn't, it really is largely irrelevant that Johnson picked on a parent of another political persuasion as a public sounding board for his political propaganda.
I would say BBC News somewhat deflecting here, which in turn suggests implicit acknowledgement of an issue with Kuenssberg's reporting of the story. The accusation against Kuenssberg isn't malicious intent. The accusation is of poor editorial judgement that allowed a largely irrelevant detail about the parent's political background dominate a story about Johnson's visit to the hospital.
'Largely irrelevant' the political background of this diehard Labour activist was the entire reason this story even emerged in the first place due to his Corbynista rant against the PM
You're overcommitting to this. Even Boris Johnson's twitter account said he was "glad this gentleman told me his problems". His political background doesn't invalidate his voice. Labour voters' views are just as important as anyone else's.
Why should we give the tiniest fuck what the Finns say? We can produce our plans at 11.59 on Halloween, if we like.
Well, hopefully 11.59 Brussels time. Even so, leaving just 60 seconds in the middle of the night for the European Council, the Commons, and the European Parliament all to give their formal consent would be winging it a bit even by Boris standards.
3. Thinking about how a skilled politician such as Blair or Cameron would have handled it, I think the big missing ingredient is that Boris doesn't engage in any way with the ranter. He doesn't ask any questions, he doesn't offer anything, he does nothing to disarm and charm the guy. OK, that's not at all an easy thing to do, but isn't folksy charm supposed to be Boris's strength, the one which will win over Labour-inclined voters?
The problem may be that such an event does not lend itself to folksy charm, which might appear disrespectful. Difficult to prepare for a hostile, and very personal, complaint, justified or not. Boris is not without charm, in an odd way, but the more traditional smoothness of a regular politician probably makes responding in those situations a little easier.
Seen it at least 10 times. Would watch it again right now if it came on.
Can I recommend "Bad Taste" a truly bad film from NZ made on a trivial budget by the director and some friends at weekends. Yes, it is that Peter Jackson's first film...
Why should we give the tiniest fuck what the Finns say? We can produce our plans at 11.59 on Halloween, if we like.
Well, hopefully 11.59 Brussels time. Even so, leaving just 60 seconds in the middle of the night for the European Council, the Commons, and the European Parliament all to give their formal consent would be winging it a bit even by Boris standards.
Then it's up to them if they agree in the 37 seconds allowed, otherwise No Deal.
The idea the United Kingdom should be bullied into premature ejaculation by the nation of... Finland... is ambitiously surreal.
Truly, enough of these people, and of this shit. We are Great Britain. We will endure. They can all go and do one. Fuck them.
On topic: Some observations on the Boris encounter with the Labour activist father:
1. The guy attacking Boris seemed completely genuine. Labour activist as be might be, this clearly wasn't set up, and he clearly was genuinely angry (though very probably not justifiably so).
2. If it had just been a rant, well, politicians get lots of those (Blair, Brown and Cameron were all ambushed with NHS-related rants). What made this special was the fact that Boris handled it so badly. Firstly he bumbles and mumbles, then he comes out with the utterly bizarre line about no press being present, then, when he's unsurprisingly picked up on that, he bumbles more and then turns to the cameras with his trademark impish grin.
3. Thinking about how a skilled politician such as Blair or Cameron would have handled it, I think the big missing ingredient is that Boris doesn't engage in any way with the ranter. He doesn't ask any questions, he doesn't offer anything, he does nothing to disarm and charm the guy. OK, that's not at all an easy thing to do, but isn't folksy charm supposed to be Boris's strength, the one which will win over Labour-inclined voters?
3. Thinking about how a skilled politician such as Blair or Cameron would have handled it, I think the big missing ingredient is that Boris doesn't engage in any way with the ranter. He doesn't ask any questions, he doesn't offer anything, he does nothing to disarm and charm the guy. OK, that's not at all an easy thing to do, but isn't folksy charm supposed to be Boris's strength, the one which will win over Labour-inclined voters?
The problem may be that such an event does not lend itself to folksy charm, which might appear disrespectful. Difficult to prepare for a hostile, and very personal, complaint, justified or not. Boris is not without charm, in an odd way, but the more traditional smoothness of a regular politician probably makes responding in those situations a little easier.
Johnson could have asked about the child’s condition. He could have wished her a speedy recovery. He could even have asked her name. He chose to lie instead. The story, though, is not the mendacity of the Prime Minister, but the political affiliation of the father. Hmmm.
Why should we give the tiniest fuck what the Finns say? We can produce our plans at 11.59 on Halloween, if we like.
Well, hopefully 11.59 Brussels time. Even so, leaving just 60 seconds in the middle of the night for the European Council, the Commons, and the European Parliament all to give their formal consent would be winging it a bit even by Boris standards.
Then it's up to them if they agree in the 37 seconds allowed, otherwise No Deal.
The idea the United Kingdom should be bullied into premature ejaculation by the nation of... Finland... is ambitiously surreal.
Truly, enough of these people, and of this shit. We are Great Britain. We will endure. They can all go and do one. Fuck them.
Yes, most amusing. The 'demand' is just a bit of posturing, we gave no indication we were not going to waste time before the last extension, and they seem annoyed we are indeed wasting time, so really they are mad at themselves as much as us. They should have listened to Macron last time when he wanted a very short extension.
Why should we give the tiniest fuck what the Finns say? We can produce our plans at 11.59 on Halloween, if we like.
Well, hopefully 11.59 Brussels time. Even so, leaving just 60 seconds in the middle of the night for the European Council, the Commons, and the European Parliament all to give their formal consent would be winging it a bit even by Boris standards.
Then it's up to them if they agree in the 37 seconds allowed, otherwise No Deal.
The idea the United Kingdom should be bullied into premature ejaculation by the nation of... Finland... is ambitiously surreal.
Truly, enough of these people, and of this shit. We are Great Britain. We will endure. They can all go and do one. Fuck them.
The problem may be that such an event does not lend itself to folksy charm, which might appear disrespectful. Difficult to prepare for a hostile, and very personal, complaint, justified or not. Boris is not without charm, in an odd way, but the more traditional smoothness of a regular politician probably makes responding in those situations a little easier.
Having sort-of met him, I can't say I can really see much charm. He's always looking round for a camera or for someone more important to talk to. The really good retail politicians - think Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan, or Cameron or Blair - have that special knack of making the person they are talking to feel as though they are for a moment the centre of the politician's attention.
Further observations on RantyDadGate. And I come to it fresh. as someone who has read no news since this morning.
1. Boris' "there's no press" thing was oddly crap, weak and silly 2. Boris really needs to learn how to handle this stuff better, But he's clever so he possibly will 3. The man went somewhat too far, shouting and dribbling, and looked a bit mad 4. For that reason, I think, neutrals will side with Boris. 5. Because we've all been with a mad ranter like that. No one likes it. Even if the ranter has a point, as this man maybe did
Good evening. After almost 10 years, on-and-off, lurking on here, for the first time I actually feel compelled to post.
First off it’s almost an honour to enter the fray with you ladies and gents.
This episode which has consumed PB this evening - even deserving its own thread - is one of the most bizarre incidents to attract such impassioned comments. As always those who detest Boris, will, no matter what the circumstances, use the episode to further entrench their views. Rightly or wrongly. Those who like him - argue the opposite. There’s no opinion changing event here. Everyone sees and believe me what they want to see.
If Boris were to personally cure cancer tomorrow, his detractors would complain that he ignored those suffering from another potentially fatal disease.
Nevertheless. In all of this one thing is apparent to me. When was the last time Mr Corbyn was let loose from his carers to mix with “ordinary people”? Perhaps instead of being followed and surrounded by his Momentum groupies on any outing and preaching to selected adoring crowds, he actually spoke to the “normal” law abiding, tax paying, mortgage paying, credit card paying, car loan paying, pension saving, charity giving majority of people that would be the first ones his first wonderful “socialist revolution” would drive into the sea.
Anyway. Hello again all. Feels weird posting here 😂
3. Thinking about how a skilled politician such as Blair or Cameron would have handled it, I think the big missing ingredient is that Boris doesn't engage in any way with the ranter. He doesn't ask any questions, he doesn't offer anything, he does nothing to disarm and charm the guy. OK, that's not at all an easy thing to do, but isn't folksy charm supposed to be Boris's strength, the one which will win over Labour-inclined voters?
The problem may be that such an event does not lend itself to folksy charm, which might appear disrespectful. Difficult to prepare for a hostile, and very personal, complaint, justified or not. Boris is not without charm, in an odd way, but the more traditional smoothness of a regular politician probably makes responding in those situations a little easier.
Johnson could have asked about the child’s condition. He could have wished her a speedy recovery. He could even have asked her name. He chose to lie instead. The story, though, is not the mendacity of the Prime Minister, but the political affiliation of the father. Hmmm.
Well it has become a manufactured row and a story about a journalist rather than the event itself, but hypothetically if it had not involved someone who is a labour activist he still didn't handle it great, albeit I don't think it would generally matter.
When are we getting the next YouGov poll (no doubt showing a huge Tory lead)? I thought the Times had been releasing one on Wednesday (or even Tuesday?) the past few weeks.
On a related note, does anyone know what the ratings for the ten o’clock news programmes are doing?
I know we’ve mostly stopped watching because we’re bored of endless Brexit commentary and precious little news. I think the shortening of the programme hasn’t helped, as there’s now rarely much space for anything else.
We might be odd, but it would interesting to see.
Edit - And yes, obviously the PM comes over as a tit. But it won’t shift votes.
The problem may be that such an event does not lend itself to folksy charm, which might appear disrespectful. Difficult to prepare for a hostile, and very personal, complaint, justified or not. Boris is not without charm, in an odd way, but the more traditional smoothness of a regular politician probably makes responding in those situations a little easier.
Having sort-of met him, I can't say I can really see much charm. He's always looking round for a camera or for someone more important to talk to. The really good retail politicians - think Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan, or Cameron or Blair - have that special knack of making the person they are talking to feel as though they are for a moment the centre of the politician's attention.
Cameron was so good he negotiated the worst negotiation in history, and then lost the unloseable referendum, and then wrote an embarrassingly pathetic memoir trying to justify his own mediocrity, which made it all worse.
Really. Stop. Your fanboi adoration of Cameron, despite monumental evidence otherwise, is infecting everything you write, and makes you look like a twat.
The problem may be that such an event does not lend itself to folksy charm, which might appear disrespectful. Difficult to prepare for a hostile, and very personal, complaint, justified or not. Boris is not without charm, in an odd way, but the more traditional smoothness of a regular politician probably makes responding in those situations a little easier.
Having sort-of met him, I can't say I can really see much charm. He's always looking round for a camera or for someone more important to talk to. The really good retail politicians - think Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan, or Cameron or Blair - have that special knack of making the person they are talking to feel as though they are for a moment the centre of the politician's attention.
I have heard from others who have met him personally that he's not charming in that sense as well, but I was thinking more that he has a certain charm and appear in small doses and on TV. It's not precisely the charisn'tma of Nobby Nobs (Discworld reference for the unitiated) and I think people overdo it purely because he did well to win the London mayoralty, but I wouldn't dispute he has a bumbling, entertaining way about him. He has appeal, but I wonder about his one on one skills.
Seen it at least 10 times. Would watch it again right now if it came on.
Starship Troopers, hands down.
Starship Troopers is a magnificent hymnn to the joys of Fascism, with plenty of gratuitous nudity and a fair bit of senseless gore. I watch it every time t comes on.
Showgirls by Verhoeven is strangely compelling too.
Good evening. After almost 10 years, on-and-off, lurking on here, for the first time I actually feel compelled to post.
First off it’s almost an honour to enter the fray with you ladies and gents.
This episode which has consumed PB this evening - even deserving its own thread - is one of the most bizarre incidents to attract such impassioned comments. As always those who detest Boris, will, no matter what the circumstances, use the episode to further entrench their views. Rightly or wrongly. Those who like him - argue the opposite. There’s no opinion changing event here. Everyone sees and believe me what they want to see.
If Boris were to personally cure cancer tomorrow, his detractors would complain that he ignored those suffering from another potentially fatal disease.
Nevertheless. In all of this one thing is apparent to me. When was the last time Mr Corbyn was let loose from his carers to mix with “ordinary people”? Perhaps instead of being followed and surrounded by his Momentum groupies on any outing and preaching to selected adoring crowds, he actually spoke to the “normal” law abiding, tax paying, mortgage paying, credit card paying, car loan paying, pension saving, charity giving majority of people that would be the first ones his first wonderful “socialist revolution” would drive into the sea.
Anyway. Hello again all. Feels weird posting here 😂
Wilkommen! Good first post. You'll find us a boisterous crowd, but generally kind and sweet-natured, apart from Noo, who is a kunt.
Heard that one before. Folding in a way that helps, since if it is not in a way which Tories will back (that is, if the BXP cries of betrayal will be too loud) that's no good, unless they are on board with the Labour plan now.
But I'll believe the DUP have folded when their names show up on the parliamentary voting app on WA vote.
The problem may be that such an event does not lend itself to folksy charm, which might appear disrespectful. Difficult to prepare for a hostile, and very personal, complaint, justified or not. Boris is not without charm, in an odd way, but the more traditional smoothness of a regular politician probably makes responding in those situations a little easier.
Having sort-of met him, I can't say I can really see much charm. He's always looking round for a camera or for someone more important to talk to. The really good retail politicians - think Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan, or Cameron or Blair - have that special knack of making the person they are talking to feel as though they are for a moment the centre of the politician's attention.
Cameron was so good he negotiated the worst negotiation in history, and then lost the unloseable referendum, and then wrote an embarrassingly pathetic memoir trying to justify his own mediocrity, which made it all worse.
Really. Stop. Your fanboi adoration of Cameron, despite monumental evidence otherwise, is infecting everything you write, and makes you look like a twat.
You seem a bit obsessed. If it helps, try re-reading what I wrote without the two words 'or Cameron'. It doesn't alter the sense of what I said, but might help your comprehension.
Good evening. After almost 10 years, on-and-off, lurking on here, for the first time I actually feel compelled to post.
First off it’s almost an honour to enter the fray with you ladies and gents.
This episode which has consumed PB this evening - even deserving its own thread - is one of the most bizarre incidents to attract such impassioned comments. As always those who detest Boris, will, no matter what the circumstances, use the episode to further entrench their views. Rightly or wrongly. Those who like him - argue the opposite. There’s no opinion changing event here. Everyone sees and believe me what they want to see.
If Boris were to personally cure cancer tomorrow, his detractors would complain that he ignored those suffering from another potentially fatal disease.
Nevertheless. In all of this one thing is apparent to me. When was the last time Mr Corbyn was let loose from his carers to mix with “ordinary people”? Perhaps instead of being followed and surrounded by his Momentum groupies on any outing and preaching to selected adoring crowds, he actually spoke to the “normal” law abiding, tax paying, mortgage paying, credit card paying, car loan paying, pension saving, charity giving majority of people that would be the first ones his first wonderful “socialist revolution” would drive into the sea.
Anyway. Hello again all. Feels weird posting here 😂
Welcome to PB!
Interesting post. I think Corbyn showed in 2017 that he's a pretty handy campaigner. I suspect we'll see how he an BoJo compare in next year's (surely inevitable) GE.
I am no fan of either, but personally I think Corbyn will out-campaign Boris by some margin. But who knows - time will tell.
Seen it at least 10 times. Would watch it again right now if it came on.
Starship Troopers, hands down.
Starship Troopers is a magnificent hymnn to the joys of Fascism, with plenty of gratuitous nudity and a fair bit of senseless gore. I watch it every time t comes on.
Showgirls by Verhoeven is strangely compelling too.
The knock off sequels are just terrible I'm told (only seen the second), but if you haven't seen the musical number from the third you truly must, it's great https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIsv1YOFNys
Though I'm just a sucker for a musical number. The Green Party PPB from 2015 is well worth it for the Ed M, Cameron, Clegg and Farage 'lookalikes' singing a song.
Good evening. After almost 10 years, on-and-off, lurking on here, for the first time I actually feel compelled to post.
First off it’s almost an honour to enter the fray with you ladies and gents.
This episode which has consumed PB this evening - even deserving its own thread - is one of the most bizarre incidents to attract such impassioned comments. As always those who detest Boris, will, no matter what the circumstances, use the episode to further entrench their views. Rightly or wrongly. Those who like him - argue the opposite. There’s no opinion changing event here. Everyone sees and believe me what they want to see.
If Boris were to personally cure cancer tomorrow, his detractors would complain that he ignored those suffering from another potentially fatal disease.
Nevertheless. In all of this one thing is apparent to me. When was the last time Mr Corbyn was let loose from his carers to mix with “ordinary people”? Perhaps instead of being followed and surrounded by his Momentum groupies on any outing and preaching to selected adoring crowds, he actually spoke to the “normal” law abiding, tax paying, mortgage paying, credit card paying, car loan paying, pension saving, charity giving majority of people that would be the first ones his first wonderful “socialist revolution” would drive into the sea.
Anyway. Hello again all. Feels weird posting here 😂
Wilkommen! Good first post. You'll find us a boisterous crowd, but generally kind and sweet-natured, apart from Byronic, who is a kunt.
The problem may be that such an event does not lend itself to folksy charm, which might appear disrespectful. Difficult to prepare for a hostile, and very personal, complaint, justified or not. Boris is not without charm, in an odd way, but the more traditional smoothness of a regular politician probably makes responding in those situations a little easier.
Having sort-of met him, I can't say I can really see much charm. He's always looking round for a camera or for someone more important to talk to. The really good retail politicians - think Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan, or Cameron or Blair - have that special knack of making the person they are talking to feel as though they are for a moment the centre of the politician's attention.
I have heard from others who have met him personally that he's not charming in that sense as well, but I was thinking more that he has a certain charm and appear in small doses and on TV. It's not precisely the charisn'tma of Nobby Nobs (Discworld reference for the unitiated) and I think people overdo it purely because he did well to win the London mayoralty, but I wouldn't dispute he has a bumbling, entertaining way about him. He has appeal, but I wonder about his one on one skills.
I know him, vaguely, and I know LOTS of people that are close to him.
By all accounts he is genuinely charming, and funny, albeit obviously very ambitious and very competitive, and this gets in the way of some relationships. That is to say, in the end he is mostly out for himself.... but aren't we all?
Certainly, I cannot think of a truly successful politician who wasn't egotistical and driven.
Also, his "success" as a womanizer indicates a considerable amount of charisma. He's had a lot of very alluring girlfriends, and he's not particularly goodlooking or imposing. He's five foot nine.
Good evening. After almost 10 years, on-and-off, lurking on here, for the first time I actually feel compelled to post.
First off it’s almost an honour to enter the fray with you ladies and gents.
This episode which has consumed PB this evening - even deserving its own thread - is one of the most bizarre incidents to attract such impassioned comments. As always those who detest Boris, will, no matter what the circumstances, use the episode to further entrench their views. Rightly or wrongly. Those who like him - argue the opposite. There’s no opinion changing event here. Everyone sees and believe me what they want to see.
If Boris were to personally cure cancer tomorrow, his detractors would complain that he ignored those suffering from another potentially fatal disease.
Nevertheless. In all of this one thing is apparent to me. When was the last time Mr Corbyn was let loose from his carers to mix with “ordinary people”? Perhaps instead of being followed and surrounded by his Momentum groupies on any outing and preaching to selected adoring crowds, he actually spoke to the “normal” law abiding, tax paying, mortgage paying, credit card paying, car loan paying, pension saving, charity giving majority of people that would be the first ones his first wonderful “socialist revolution” would drive into the sea.
Anyway. Hello again all. Feels weird posting here 😂
Welcome, Ye Mighty! We will look upon your posts, and despair!
I honestly find that repugnant. Is the man’s daughter ill? Is she receiving treatment? How the f*** is that a set up then?
It is of course ridiculous to hold the PM responsible for an alleged shortage of staff on a particular ward. It is equally appalling to use sick kids as some sort of prop to show how you “care”. Pretending it’s not a PR stunt when it so obviously is is pretty contemptible. Politicians who play with fire occasionally get burnt. It goes with the territory.
The line from No. 10 has been unexpectedly dignified. That doesn't give Johnson a hospital pass for the stupidest lie since the Titanic was advertised as unsinkable, but at least it showed some sense.
The line from Tory activists has been disgusting. They really are reminding me of Corbynistas and not in a good way.
Tory activists are now going to fight Corbynistas round for round, stunts like these will not go unanswered
Assuming the Labour guy did set a tasteless trap....
HOW??? How in the name of all that is holy did we end up discussing the ramifications of a trap that the supposed perpetrator could not possibly have perpetrated?
Your editing of my post is straight out of the Lynton Crosby playbook.
My point was that assuming, as HYUFD was implying this was a trap set by a Corbyn acolyte (not something I would agree with) Johnson nonetheless was no innocent victim as once again he demonstrated how adept he is at placing his foot firmly in his mouth.
The problem may be that such an event does not lend itself to folksy charm, which might appear disrespectful. Difficult to prepare for a hostile, and very personal, complaint, justified or not. Boris is not without charm, in an odd way, but the more traditional smoothness of a regular politician probably makes responding in those situations a little easier.
Having sort-of met him, I can't say I can really see much charm. He's always looking round for a camera or for someone more important to talk to. The really good retail politicians - think Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan, or Cameron or Blair - have that special knack of making the person they are talking to feel as though they are for a moment the centre of the politician's attention.
I have heard from others who have met him personally that he's not charming in that sense as well, but I was thinking more that he has a certain charm and appear in small doses and on TV. It's not precisely the charisn'tma of Nobby Nobs (Discworld reference for the unitiated) and I think people overdo it purely because he did well to win the London mayoralty, but I wouldn't dispute he has a bumbling, entertaining way about him. He has appeal, but I wonder about his one on one skills.
He’s not particularly charming at all in real life, and I say this having met him twice. He’s friendly enough but Richard’s characterisation of his shifting about and being rather awkward is apt.
Good evening. After almost 10 years, on-and-off, lurking on here, for the first time I actually feel compelled to post.
First off it’s almost an honour to enter the fray with you ladies and gents.
This episode which has consumed PB this evening - even deserving its own thread - is one of the most bizarre incidents to attract such impassioned comments. As always those who detest Boris, will, no matter what the circumstances, use the episode to further entrench their views. Rightly or wrongly. Those who like him - argue the opposite. There’s no opinion changing event here. Everyone sees and believe me what they want to see.
If Boris were to personally cure cancer tomorrow, his detractors would complain that he ignored those suffering from another potentially fatal disease.
Nevertheless. In all of this one thing is apparent to me. When was the last time Mr Corbyn was let loose from his carers to mix with “ordinary people”? Perhaps instead of being followed and surrounded by his Momentum groupies on any outing and preaching to selected adoring crowds, he actually spoke to the “normal” law abiding, tax paying, mortgage paying, credit card paying, car loan paying, pension saving, charity giving majority of people that would be the first ones his first wonderful “socialist revolution” would drive into the sea.
Anyway. Hello again all. Feels weird posting here 😂
Wilkommen! Good first post. You'll find us a boisterous crowd, but generally kind and sweet-natured, apart from Noo, who is a kunt.
The problem may be that such an event does not lend itself to folksy charm, which might appear disrespectful. Difficult to prepare for a hostile, and very personal, complaint, justified or not. Boris is not without charm, in an odd way, but the more traditional smoothness of a regular politician probably makes responding in those situations a little easier.
Having sort-of met him, I can't say I can really see much charm. He's always looking round for a camera or for someone more important to talk to. The really good retail politicians - think Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan, or Cameron or Blair - have that special knack of making the person they are talking to feel as though they are for a moment the centre of the politician's attention.
Cameron was so good he negotiated the worst negotiation in history, and then lost the unloseable referendum, and then wrote an embarrassingly pathetic memoir trying to justify his own mediocrity, which made it all worse.
Really. Stop. Your fanboi adoration of Cameron, despite monumental evidence otherwise, is infecting everything you write, and makes you look like a twat.
You seem a bit obsessed. If it helps, try re-reading what I wrote without the two words 'or Cameron'. It doesn't alter the sense of what I said, but might help your comprehension.
Further observations on RantyDadGate. And I come to it fresh. as someone who has read no news since this morning.
1. Boris' "there's no press" thing was oddly crap, weak and silly 2. Boris really needs to learn how to handle this stuff better, But he's clever so he possibly will 3. The man went somewhat too far, shouting and dribbling, and looked a bit mad 4. For that reason, I think, neutrals will side with Boris. 5. Because we've all been with a mad ranter like that. No one likes it. Even if the ranter has a point, as this man maybe did
I think there are two interesting things with this story.
One is the tendency of politicians, not just Johnson, to sweep into hospitals with press entourages and impose themselves on patients, who are literally captive and probably feel fragile, stressed and ill. And no doubt also feel manipulated by these politicians co opting them to their propaganda. Hospitals really should develop policies to stop politicians doing this.
The second is Johnson's astonishing capacity for lying.
Further observations on RantyDadGate. And I come to it fresh. as someone who has read no news since this morning.
1. Boris' "there's no press" thing was oddly crap, weak and silly 2. Boris really needs to learn how to handle this stuff better, But he's clever so he possibly will 3. The man went somewhat too far, shouting and dribbling, and looked a bit mad 4. For that reason, I think, neutrals will side with Boris. 5. Because we've all been with a mad ranter like that. No one likes it. Even if the ranter has a point, as this man maybe did
I think there are two interesting things with this story.
One is the tendency of politicians, not just Johnson, to sweep into hospitals with press entourages and impose themselves on patients, who are literally captive and probably feel fragile, stressed and ill. And no doubt also feel manipulated by these politicians co opting them to their propaganda. Hospitals really should develop policies to stop politicians doing this.
The second is Johnson's astonishing capacity for lying.
I agree that Boris is a big fat liar. I don't however, think he was lying this time, he was just a bit rattled by the man's aggression.
But this is part of the job of PM, and Boris needs to toughen up.
The problem may be that such an event does not lend itself to folksy charm, which might appear disrespectful. Difficult to prepare for a hostile, and very personal, complaint, justified or not. Boris is not without charm, in an odd way, but the more traditional smoothness of a regular politician probably makes responding in those situations a little easier.
Having sort-of met him, I can't say I can really see much charm. He's always looking round for a camera or for someone more important to talk to. The really good retail politicians - think Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan, or Cameron or Blair - have that special knack of making the person they are talking to feel as though they are for a moment the centre of the politician's attention.
I have heard from others who have met him personally that he's not charming in that sense as well, but I was thinking more that he has a certain charm and appear in small doses and on TV. It's not precisely the charisn'tma of Nobby Nobs (Discworld reference for the unitiated) and I think people overdo it purely because he did well to win the London mayoralty, but I wouldn't dispute he has a bumbling, entertaining way about him. He has appeal, but I wonder about his one on one skills.
I know him, vaguely, and I know LOTS of people that are close to him.
By all accounts he is genuinely charming, and funny, albeit obviously very ambitious and very competitive, and this gets in the way of some relationships. That is to say, in the end he is mostly out for himself.... but aren't we all?
Certainly, I cannot think of a truly successful politician who wasn't egotistical and driven.
Also, his "success" as a womanizer indicates a considerable amount of charisma. He's had a lot of very alluring girlfriends, and he's not particularly goodlooking or imposing. He's five foot nine.
Yes, but political charisma can be a bit different to personal charisma. By all accounts there are plenty who have the latter but don't have the former. Boris has some of the former, but he's been about so long I don't think it is as effective as it used to be.
Been out to see Bait (I was somewhat immune to its supposed charms).
So - Finland says that if Boris doesn't play ball by the end of September, then it's No Deal. Presumably no further discussions, no extensions.
And then the House comes back from prorogation.
Have all Boris's Christmases just come at once?
I don't think that quite true. If in 11 days there are no viable new proposals, then the WA stands as it is. As it is a new Parliamentary session, it could be voted on, not that I think it would be.
Also it is mandated that Boris has to ask for an extension, and there are plenty of reasons that would be granted, such as a GE or PeoplesVote.
Good evening. After almost 10 years, on-and-off, lurking on here, for the first time I actually feel compelled to post.
First off it’s almost an honour to enter the fray with you ladies and gents.
This episode which has consumed PB this evening - even deserving its own thread - is one of the most bizarre incidents to attract such impassioned comments. As always those who detest Boris, will, no matter what the circumstances, use the episode to further entrench their views. Rightly or wrongly. Those who like him - argue the opposite. There’s no opinion changing event here. Everyone sees and believe me what they want to see.
If Boris were to personally cure cancer tomorrow, his detractors would complain that he ignored those suffering from another potentially fatal disease.
Nevertheless. In all of this one thing is apparent to me. When was the last time Mr Corbyn was let loose from his carers to mix with “ordinary people”? Perhaps instead of being followed and surrounded by his Momentum groupies on any outing and preaching to selected adoring crowds, he actually spoke to the “normal” law abiding, tax paying, mortgage paying, credit card paying, car loan paying, pension saving, charity giving majority of people that would be the first ones his first wonderful “socialist revolution” would drive into the sea.
Anyway. Hello again all. Feels weird posting here 😂
Wilkommen! Good first post. You'll find us a boisterous crowd, but generally kind and sweet-natured, apart from Noo, who is a kunt.
Lib Dems overtake Labour in a poll on the front of tomorrow's Times
Conference bounce.
Has it ever been established if Conference bounce is a real thing, or is it just assumed? I'd believe it, but I'm curious as there must have been research on it.
Further observations on RantyDadGate. And I come to it fresh. as someone who has read no news since this morning.
1. Boris' "there's no press" thing was oddly crap, weak and silly 2. Boris really needs to learn how to handle this stuff better, But he's clever so he possibly will 3. The man went somewhat too far, shouting and dribbling, and looked a bit mad 4. For that reason, I think, neutrals will side with Boris. 5. Because we've all been with a mad ranter like that. No one likes it. Even if the ranter has a point, as this man maybe did
I think there are two interesting things with this story.
One is the tendency of politicians, not just Johnson, to sweep into hospitals with press entourages and impose themselves on patients, who are literally captive and probably feel fragile, stressed and ill. And no doubt also feel manipulated by these politicians co opting them to their propaganda. Hospitals really should develop policies to stop politicians doing this.
The second is Johnson's astonishing capacity for lying.
Boris was sacked for lying on two occasions:
1) In 1987 he was sacked from The Times for making up a quote by historian Colin Lucas 2) in 2004 he was sacked from the Tory Shadow Front Bench for lying about his affair with Petronella Wyatt (the "Inverted Pyramid of Piffle")
Good evening. After almost 10 years, on-and-off, lurking on here, for the first time I actually feel compelled to post.
First off it’s almost an honour to enter the fray with you ladies and gents.
This episode which has consumed PB this evening - even deserving its own thread - is one of the most bizarre incidents to attract such impassioned comments. As always those who detest Boris, will, no matter what the circumstances, use the episode to further entrench their views. Rightly or wrongly. Those who like him - argue the opposite. There’s no opinion changing event here. Everyone sees and believe me what they want to see.
If Boris were to personally cure cancer tomorrow, his detractors would complain that he ignored those suffering from another potentially fatal disease.
Nevertheless. In all of this one thing is apparent to me. When was the last time Mr Corbyn was let loose from his carers to mix with “ordinary people”? Perhaps instead of being followed and surrounded by his Momentum groupies on any outing and preaching to selected adoring crowds, he actually spoke to the “normal” law abiding, tax paying, mortgage paying, credit card paying, car loan paying, pension saving, charity giving majority of people that would be the first ones his first wonderful “socialist revolution” would drive into the sea.
Anyway. Hello again all. Feels weird posting here 😂
Wilkommen! Good first post. You'll find us a boisterous crowd, but generally kind and sweet-natured, apart from Noo, who is a kunt.
Further observations on RantyDadGate. And I come to it fresh. as someone who has read no news since this morning.
1. Boris' "there's no press" thing was oddly crap, weak and silly 2. Boris really needs to learn how to handle this stuff better, But he's clever so he possibly will 3. The man went somewhat too far, shouting and dribbling, and looked a bit mad 4. For that reason, I think, neutrals will side with Boris. 5. Because we've all been with a mad ranter like that. No one likes it. Even if the ranter has a point, as this man maybe did
I think there are two interesting things with this story.
One is the tendency of politicians, not just Johnson, to sweep into hospitals with press entourages and impose themselves on patients, who are literally captive and probably feel fragile, stressed and ill. And no doubt also feel manipulated by these politicians co opting them to their propaganda. Hospitals really should develop policies to stop politicians doing this.
The second is Johnson's astonishing capacity for lying.
I agree that Boris is a big fat liar. I don't however, think he was lying this time, he was just a bit rattled by the man's aggression.
But this is part of the job of PM, and Boris needs to toughen up.
When you are frustrated with the NHS, and there is often plenty of reason to be frustrated, you want to go to the top and shake them into action. I have no doubt this bloke was frustrated and look who waltzed into the ward none other than the person at the very top.
Had I been in a similar situation I would have done exactly the same. With bells on.
Good evening. After almost 10 years, on-and-off, lurking on here, for the first time I actually feel compelled to post.
First off it’s almost an honour to enter the fray with you ladies and gents.
This episode which has consumed PB this evening - even deserving its own thread - is one of the most bizarre incidents to attract such impassioned comments. As always those who detest Boris, will, no matter what the circumstances, use the episode to further entrench their views. Rightly or wrongly. Those who like him - argue the opposite. There’s no opinion changing event here. Everyone sees and believe me what they want to see.
If Boris were to personally cure cancer tomorrow, his detractors would complain that he ignored those suffering from another potentially fatal disease.
Nevertheless. In all of this one thing is apparent to me. When was the last time Mr Corbyn was let loose from his carers to mix with “ordinary people”? Perhaps instead of being followed and surrounded by his Momentum groupies on any outing and preaching to selected adoring crowds, he actually spoke to the “normal” law abiding, tax paying, mortgage paying, credit card paying, car loan paying, pension saving, charity giving majority of people that would be the first ones his first wonderful “socialist revolution” would drive into the sea.
Anyway. Hello again all. Feels weird posting here 😂
Wilkommen! Good first post. You'll find us a boisterous crowd, but generally kind and sweet-natured, apart from Noo, who is a kunt.
It would be a marvellous thing for the country if the Lib Dems could permanently supplant Labour as the principal leftwing party of Opposition/Government
As I've been saying on here for months, if we continue to echo the post indyref Scottish example (and I see no reason why not) then this is exactly what should happen; just as Scon replaced Slab (because Scon were seen as the most vigorously unionist party), so the Libs should replace Corbyn's :Labour (because the Libs are the most Remainery).
Good evening. After almost 10 years, on-and-off, lurking on here, for the first time I actually feel compelled to post.
First off it’s almost an honour to enter the fray with you ladies and gents.
This episode which has consumed PB this evening - even deserving its own thread - is one of the most bizarre incidents to attract such impassioned comments. As always those who detest Boris, will, no matter what the circumstances, use the episode to further entrench their views. Rightly or wrongly. Those who like him - argue the opposite. There’s no opinion changing event here. Everyone sees and believe me what they want to see.
If Boris were to personally cure cancer tomorrow, his detractors would complain that he ignored those suffering from another potentially fatal disease.
Nevertheless. In all of this one thing is apparent to me. When was the last time Mr Corbyn was let loose from his carers to mix with “ordinary people”? Perhaps instead of being followed and surrounded by his Momentum groupies on any outing and preaching to selected adoring crowds, he actually spoke to the “normal” law abiding, tax paying, mortgage paying, credit card paying, car loan paying, pension saving, charity giving majority of people that would be the first ones his first wonderful “socialist revolution” would drive into the sea.
Anyway. Hello again all. Feels weird posting here 😂
Strong first post. Welcome. And you're right; the political climate is so polarised that anything and everything the PM does or has done to him is a Rorschach test. One side sees a appalling breach of diplomatic protocol and an activist using his sick daughter as political leverage, the other a PM humiliated and cowed twice in as many days.
Good evening. After almost 10 years, on-and-off, lurking on here, for the first time I actually feel compelled to post.
First off it’s almost an honour to enter the fray with you ladies and gents.
This episode which has consumed PB this evening - even deserving its own thread - is one of the most bizarre incidents to attract such impassioned comments. As always those who detest Boris, will, no matter what the circumstances, use the episode to further entrench their views. Rightly or wrongly. Those who like him - argue the opposite. There’s no opinion changing event here. Everyone sees and believe me what they want to see.
If Boris were to personally cure cancer tomorrow, his detractors would complain that he ignored those suffering from another potentially fatal disease.
Nevertheless. In all of this one thing is apparent to me. When was the last time Mr Corbyn was let loose from his carers to mix with “ordinary people”? Perhaps instead of being followed and surrounded by his Momentum groupies on any outing and preaching to selected adoring crowds, he actually spoke to the “normal” law abiding, tax paying, mortgage paying, credit card paying, car loan paying, pension saving, charity giving majority of people that would be the first ones his first wonderful “socialist revolution” would drive into the sea.
Anyway. Hello again all. Feels weird posting here 😂
Wilkommen! Good first post. You'll find us a boisterous crowd, but generally kind and sweet-natured, apart from Noo, who is a kunt.
Good evening. After almost 10 years, on-and-off, lurking on here, for the first time I actually feel compelled to post.
First off it’s almost an honour to enter the fray with you ladies and gents.
This episode which has consumed PB this evening - even deserving its own thread - is one of the most bizarre incidents to attract such impassioned comments. As always those who detest Boris, will, no matter what the circumstances, use the episode to further entrench their views. Rightly or wrongly. Those who like him - argue the opposite. There’s no opinion changing event here. Everyone sees and believe me what they want to see.
If Boris were to personally cure cancer tomorrow, his detractors would complain that he ignored those suffering from another potentially fatal disease.
Nevertheless. In all of this one thing is apparent to me. When was the last time Mr Corbyn was let loose from his carers to mix with “ordinary people”? Perhaps instead of being followed and surrounded by his Momentum groupies on any outing and preaching to selected adoring crowds, he actually spoke to the “normal” law abiding, tax paying, mortgage paying, credit card paying, car loan paying, pension saving, charity giving majority of people that would be the first ones his first wonderful “socialist revolution” would drive into the sea.
Anyway. Hello again all. Feels weird posting here 😂
Wilkommen! Good first post. You'll find us a boisterous crowd, but generally kind and sweet-natured, apart from Noo, who is a kunt.
Rousing! Better than the queeny dirge that we're stuck with.
My Youtube autoplay gave me this to follow it up with. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHNfvJc99YY If the algorithms have this capacity for humour then I think the future might be okay.
Lib Dems overtake Labour in a poll on the front of tomorrow's Times
Not surprising. I wonder what has to happen before Jeremy gets the message?
Coming 3rd in a GE.
Corbyn wouldn't get the message even then. He is impervious to facts. All adversity shows that the world is immorally stacked against him, and his pure socialism is even lovelier and betterer than he thought.
Been out to see Bait (I was somewhat immune to its supposed charms).
So - Finland says that if Boris doesn't play ball by the end of September, then it's No Deal. Presumably no further discussions, no extensions.
And then the House comes back from prorogation.
Have all Boris's Christmases just come at once?
I don't think that quite true. If in 11 days there are no viable new proposals, then the WA stands as it is. As it is a new Parliamentary session, it could be voted on, not that I think it would be.
Also it is mandated that Boris has to ask for an extension, and there are plenty of reasons that would be granted, such as a GE or PeoplesVote.
So, we could have an extension to - what? Given the WA is locked. Makes no sense.
They should have the balls to tell us to just fuck off. Then we know where we stand.
Comments
The tweet seems to have been deleted - rightly so imo.
Why do you have a donkey logo now?
https://youtu.be/7IHwKJOZZ6U
The idea the United Kingdom should be bullied into premature ejaculation by the nation of... Finland... is ambitiously surreal.
Truly, enough of these people, and of this shit. We are Great Britain. We will endure. They can all go and do one. Fuck them.
On the other hand Robert Peston in spite of his sycophantic biography of Gordon Brown is treated like a sage.
His shirt strategically flapped outside his pants, his hair it was in a knot.
1. Boris' "there's no press" thing was oddly crap, weak and silly
2. Boris really needs to learn how to handle this stuff better, But he's clever so he possibly will
3. The man went somewhat too far, shouting and dribbling, and looked a bit mad
4. For that reason, I think, neutrals will side with Boris.
5. Because we've all been with a mad ranter like that. No one likes it. Even if the ranter has a point, as this man maybe did
First off it’s almost an honour to enter the fray with you ladies and gents.
This episode which has consumed PB this evening - even deserving its own thread - is one of the most bizarre incidents to attract such impassioned comments. As always those who detest Boris, will, no matter what the circumstances, use the episode to further entrench their views. Rightly or wrongly. Those who like him - argue the opposite. There’s no opinion changing event here. Everyone sees and believe me what they want to see.
If Boris were to personally cure cancer tomorrow, his detractors would complain that he ignored those suffering from another potentially fatal disease.
Nevertheless. In all of this one thing is apparent to me. When was the last time Mr Corbyn was let loose from his carers to mix with “ordinary people”? Perhaps instead of being followed and surrounded by his Momentum groupies on any outing and preaching to selected adoring crowds, he actually spoke to the “normal” law abiding, tax paying, mortgage paying, credit card paying, car loan paying, pension saving, charity giving majority of people that would be the first ones his first wonderful “socialist revolution” would drive into the sea.
Anyway. Hello again all. Feels weird posting here 😂
He’s treated like a joke on here.
I know we’ve mostly stopped watching because we’re bored of endless Brexit commentary and precious little news. I think the shortening of the programme hasn’t helped, as there’s now rarely much space for anything else.
We might be odd, but it would interesting to see.
Edit - And yes, obviously the PM comes over as a tit. But it won’t shift votes.
Really. Stop. Your fanboi adoration of Cameron, despite monumental evidence otherwise, is infecting everything you write, and makes you look like a twat.
The penny has finally dropped . A no deal and they’re toast .
Showgirls by Verhoeven is strangely compelling too.
But I'll believe the DUP have folded when their names show up on the parliamentary voting app on WA vote.
So - Finland says that if Boris doesn't play ball by the end of September, then it's No Deal. Presumably no further discussions, no extensions.
And then the House comes back from prorogation.
Have all Boris's Christmases just come at once?
Interesting post. I think Corbyn showed in 2017 that he's a pretty handy campaigner. I suspect we'll see how he an BoJo compare in next year's (surely inevitable) GE.
I am no fan of either, but personally I think Corbyn will out-campaign Boris by some margin. But who knows - time will tell.
No, I am Spartacus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIsv1YOFNys
Though I'm just a sucker for a musical number. The Green Party PPB from 2015 is well worth it for the Ed M, Cameron, Clegg and Farage 'lookalikes' singing a song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPgS7p40ERg&list=FLg5SdxeHca5JpoZ1j9-RpJg&index=46&t=0s
@MikeSmithson @TheScreamingEagles
I hope (and suspect) that it will bite them on the arse. Imperial overreach....
By all accounts he is genuinely charming, and funny, albeit obviously very ambitious and very competitive, and this gets in the way of some relationships. That is to say, in the end he is mostly out for himself.... but aren't we all?
Certainly, I cannot think of a truly successful politician who wasn't egotistical and driven.
Also, his "success" as a womanizer indicates a considerable amount of charisma. He's had a lot of very alluring girlfriends, and he's not particularly goodlooking or imposing. He's five foot nine.
My point was that assuming, as HYUFD was implying this was a trap set by a Corbyn acolyte (not something I would agree with) Johnson nonetheless was no innocent victim as once again he demonstrated how adept he is at placing his foot firmly in his mouth.
She was on the money.
I'm not a complete ass, you know.
One is the tendency of politicians, not just Johnson, to sweep into hospitals with press entourages and impose themselves on patients, who are literally captive and probably feel fragile, stressed and ill. And no doubt also feel manipulated by these politicians co opting them to their propaganda. Hospitals really should develop policies to stop politicians doing this.
The second is Johnson's astonishing capacity for lying.
But this is part of the job of PM, and Boris needs to toughen up.
Also it is mandated that Boris has to ask for an extension, and there are plenty of reasons that would be granted, such as a GE or PeoplesVote.
Who would be most to blame for a no deal and the results were a bit of a surprise .
The UK government 57%
The EU 25%
1) In 1987 he was sacked from The Times for making up a quote by historian Colin Lucas
2) in 2004 he was sacked from the Tory Shadow Front Bench for lying about his affair with Petronella Wyatt (the "Inverted Pyramid of Piffle")
Regardless, they could always vote on the WA again, if they had the votes to pass it, since they could suspend standing orders.
Had I been in a similar situation I would have done exactly the same. With bells on.
https://twitter.com/MattSingh_/status/1174444940572680193?s=20
Lab 23%
Lib Dems 19%
Be interesting if the SC rules that prorogation was improper. Labour then don't get a Conference to get their own bounce.
As I've been saying on here for months, if we continue to echo the post indyref Scottish example (and I see no reason why not) then this is exactly what should happen; just as Scon replaced Slab (because Scon were seen as the most vigorously unionist party), so the Libs should replace Corbyn's :Labour (because the Libs are the most Remainery).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHNfvJc99YY
If the algorithms have this capacity for humour then I think the future might be okay.
They should have the balls to tell us to just fuck off. Then we know where we stand.