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Ryan Reynolds will be jealousThe_Taxman said:HYUFD should take it as a compliment that so many people think he has a nice ass!
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PB Boris haters having another day scoffing at him. Yesterday they were cheering on the Luxembourg PM for setting up Boris. More considered commentators like the Times leader writers had a far more balanced view of the boorish and ill mannered behaviour of the Luxembourg PM, a view that will be shared by most objective readers. The PB Boris haters are so keen to criticise him for anything and everything they've lost their ability to make reasoned judgement.1
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Good post. The misstep remains however the there's no press comment. Even if the cameraman was a member of the public Boris should have been able to handle the situation. It was just bizarre.dyedwoolie said:An interesting case study this one. The guys political persuasion and who he worked for are not really the issue although clearly someone as politically active as him will not be swayed by anything a Tory PM might say so it is to be expected that when the opportunity presented itself he let rip.The press no press thing is decidedly weird but other than that I'm not sure theres anything else anyone could or should have done. You dont remonstrate with the father of a sick child, you listen and let him have his say. The hospital has explained the reason for the staffing issues the night before but the really important thing is that, as he pointed out, his little girl nearly died but a and e were excellent and she thankfully survived and I think he said is in a better state today. The NHS did its job, and the PM has learned first hand about the frustration and anger that dealing with the NHS can bring to people in stressful situations.
Strip away the flim and flam and positive things can be drawn from encounters like this. However it will all be used to portray a narrative by the press and thus utterly devalued.0 -
OGH moves in mysterious ways.Anabobazina said:
It would appear that the door has openedBenpointer said:
Really? If I go into my profile I still get the 'change picture' option over my avatar.Anabobazina said:I haven’t been able to choose my own avatar since the days when the likes of The Last Boy Scout roamed these thar hills
(But I'm sticking with the current one until Brexit is cancelled)0 -
It's from ConAir.Benpointer said:
Every time you use a quote Sunil, I never have a fecking clue where it's from or what it's supposed to imply.Sunil_Prasannan said:
"HYUFD's a fountain of misplaced rage. Name your cliché; Mother held him too much or not enough, last picked at kickball, late night sneaky uncle, whatever. Now he's so angry that moments of levity actually cause him pain; give him headaches. Happiness, for that gentleman, hurts."Benpointer said:
Hey, nice new avatar @HYUFD!HYUFD said:
Man with history of Labour activism seeks a political stunt.Gallowgate said:
Man with history of political activism has the confidence to tell public figure their opinion?HYUFD said:
This guy was a Labour activist with an agenda, I notice no other parents of patients bothered to leave their kids bedside to rant with the PMviewcode said:
The reason why "most of them spend their time with their kids not going on ideological rants against the prime minister to push a political agenda just as he happens to be visiting" is because he is not visiting the hospital at the same time as themHYUFD said:
Thousands of parents have kids in hospital everyday, most of them spend their time with their kids not going on ideological rants against the prime minister to push a political agenda just as he happens to be visitingDavidL said:
I honestly find that repugnant. Is the man’s daughter ill? Is she receiving treatment? How the f*** is that a set up then?HYUFD said:This was a set up by a Labour activist, ignore
https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1174314704589807616?s=20
It is of course ridiculous to hold the PM responsible for an alleged shortage of staff on a particular ward. It is equally appalling to use sick kids as some sort of prop to show how you “care”. Pretending it’s not a PR stunt when it so obviously is is pretty contemptible. Politicians who play with fire occasionally get burnt. It goes with the territory.
I realise you are an adherent of Boris but surely you must realise that the scenario you have outlined is simply not possible.
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Seriously mate. Get a grip. This is pathetic.
It is you being pathetic ignoring it
I assume it's an allusion to your party leader's campaigning abilities?0 -
TBF anyone to the left of you, PT and LG encompasses quite a wide spectrum of folk.HYUFD said:
Philip Thompson and LuckyGuy certainly aren't even if it is mainly the left on tonightOllyT said:
Just stop, everyone's laughing at you.HYUFD said:
He can, he dealt with the ideological agendas of all of them with calm and determinationSunil_Prasannan said:
Poor Boris can't deal with:Philip_Thompson said:
It is possible for his daughter to be ill, coincidentally find out that the PM is visiting the same hospital then for partisan reasons take the opportunity to ambush him which has presented itself before you though.viewcode said:
It is not possible for him to have arranged for his daughter to be seriously ill on the same date and time that Boris turned up on a publicity visit that he couldn't possibly have known about in advance.HYUFD said:This was a set up by a Labour activist, ignore
https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1174314704589807616?s=20
Your conclusion is obviously gibberish and speaks poorly of you.
1) Parliament
2) Rebels in his own Party
3) Luxembourg Prime Ministers
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I finished my education at a comprehensive in Dundee which competed seriously with DHS for the number of kids sent to Oxbridge. The performance gap, if any, was very small in those days.OnlyLivingBoy said:
The day our comprehensive school beat Dundee High in a Latin recitation competition was a sweet one. Money can't buy you everything.DavidL said:
DHS is thankfully a bit less than the average but not much. Yes spending is a part of the problem although economies of scale should reduce the differential somewhat. But as @ydoethur says, it is only a part of the problem. Our state schools are dominated by producer interests. We tolerate failure far too readily and for far too long.Benpointer said:
Hmmm. You don't think it's anything to do with the spend per pupil?DavidL said:On education there are 8 state secondary schools in Dundee and 1 private. The private school, year after year, gets more passes of science subjects at higher than the other 8 put together. It gets a higher proportion of A passes than any of the other schools get passes. It teaches subjects, like economics, that are not available in any of the state schools.
The disgrace is not that the private school gets some tax relief. The disgrace is that generations of children in state schools are being failed and only the private school shows what is possible. Why do we accept such levels of performance? Why is this ok?
What are we going to do about it?
Average uk private spend per secondary pupil per year = £14,466, state spend = £6,200.0 -
Indeed! most suggests a majority, and I find that hard to believe. What is the source?Benpointer said:
I struggle to see how most state school teachers could afford to send their kids to private schools, given state school teacher salaries.El_Capitano said:
Stating the bleeding obvious here but... £6,200 per pupil doesn't mean that your little darling is getting £6,200 spent on them. Most probably the troubled kid in the class is getting £25,000 spent on them (price up the extra TA cover and management time, and that might be an understatement) and your kid is fighting for the scraps with the rest of the class.Pulpstar said:
The private school wonga is going on fancy sports centres and so forth; I went to one in the 90s when the spending/fees were in line with current state school expenditureBenpointer said:
Hmmm. You don't think it's anything to do with the spend per pupil?DavidL said:On education there are 8 state secondary schools in Dundee and 1 private. The private school, year after year, gets more passes of science subjects at higher than the other 8 put together. It gets a higher proportion of A passes than any of the other schools get passes. It teaches subjects, like economics, that are not available in any of the state schools.
The disgrace is not that the private school gets some tax relief. The disgrace is that generations of children in state schools are being failed and only the private school shows what is possible. Why do we accept such levels of performance? Why is this ok?
What are we going to do about it?
Average uk private spend per secondary pupil per year = £14,466, state spend = £6,200.
https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2016/05/11/13/feesnew.jpg?width=1368&height=912&fit=bounds&format=pjpg&auto=webp&quality=70
I know more money can always help but £6,200 per pupil per year should be able to achieve a decently high level of education.
The good parts of the state sector are extraordinarily efficient and most of the private sector is... well, I hesitate to say inefficient, but profligate. But they get around it not just because £14k gives them the headroom, but because selection (by income and by entrance exam) means they don't have to spend vast amounts on troubled kids.
A lot of state school teachers end up sending their kids to private schools. It's not a coincidence.
Most private school teachers that I know have their children at state schools....0 -
The PB Corbyn mob out for HYUFD in rather the same way that the twitter mob is out for Kuenssberg tonight. Both equally unattractive
Smithson makes a fair point that Johnson needs to handle this better. But the rest of the twitter mob narrative just isnt taking hold. He was a Labour activist. Everyone now knows it. Most peoples' minds are unchanged one way or the other.
The unpleasantness of the mob is held up for all to see, though.0 -
Very bizarre. I'm guessing he was flustered and was trying to deny it was a press photo op but came out with what he did. Its done now and theres little point him trying to clarify. Chalk that part of it up as a Boris bungle.TOPPING said:
Good post. The misstep remains however the there's no press comment. Even if the cameraman was a member of the public Boris should have been able to handle the situation. It was just bizarre.dyedwoolie said:An interesting case study this one. The guys political persuasion and who he worked for are not really the issue although clearly someone as politically active as him will not be swayed by anything a Tory PM might say so it is to be expected that when the opportunity presented itself he let rip.The press no press thing is decidedly weird but other than that I'm not sure theres anything else anyone could or should have done. You dont remonstrate with the father of a sick child, you listen and let him have his say. The hospital has explained the reason for the staffing issues the night before but the really important thing is that, as he pointed out, his little girl nearly died but a and e were excellent and she thankfully survived and I think he said is in a better state today. The NHS did its job, and the PM has learned first hand about the frustration and anger that dealing with the NHS can bring to people in stressful situations.
Strip away the flim and flam and positive things can be drawn from encounters like this. However it will all be used to portray a narrative by the press and thus utterly devalued.0 -
#SackLauraKunessberg trending on Twitter?0
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How did that happen? Does it depend what browser you're using?Anabobazina said:
It would appear that the door has openedBenpointer said:
Really? If I go into my profile I still get the 'change picture' option over my avatar.Anabobazina said:I haven’t been able to choose my own avatar since the days when the likes of The Last Boy Scout roamed these thar hills
(But I'm sticking with the current one until Brexit is cancelled)
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They seem, literally, to have lost their minds.steve_garner said:PB Boris haters having another day scoffing at him. Yesterday they were cheering on the Luxembourg PM for setting up Boris. More considered commentators like the Times leader writers had a far more balanced view of the boorish and ill mannered behaviour of the Luxembourg PM, a view that will be shared by most objective readers. The PB Boris haters are so keen to criticise him for anything and everything they've lost their ability to make reasoned judgement.
The red mist is not a good lens through which to view the world. Which is probably why the remain lobby seems to be making mistake after mistake.1 -
It's just the way he walks in those vegan sandals .....Benpointer said:OGH moves in mysterious ways.
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She doxxed the father, although Jennie Formby has also todayGIN1138 said:#SackLauraKunessberg trending on Twiter?
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It’s just ridiculous. Twitter is full of morons.GIN1138 said:#SackLauraKunessberg trending on Twiter?
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Who can say?geoffw said:
How did that happen? Does it depend what browser you're using?Anabobazina said:
It would appear that the door has openedBenpointer said:
Really? If I go into my profile I still get the 'change picture' option over my avatar.Anabobazina said:I haven’t been able to choose my own avatar since the days when the likes of The Last Boy Scout roamed these thar hills
(But I'm sticking with the current one until Brexit is cancelled)
In any case, enter the dragon!0 -
Tbf I used 'most' in the sense that most could not afford it.Foxy said:
Indeed! most suggests a majority, and I find that hard to believe. What is the source?Benpointer said:
I struggle to see how most state school teachers could afford to send their kids to private schools, given state school teacher salaries.El_Capitano said:
Stating the bleeding obvious here but... £6,200 per pupil doesn't mean that your little darling is getting £6,200 spent on them. Most probably the troubled kid in the class is getting £25,000 spent on them (price up the extra TA cover and management time, and that might be an understatement) and your kid is fighting for the scraps with the rest of the class.Pulpstar said:
The private school wonga is going on fancy sports centres and so forth; I went to one in the 90s when the spending/fees were in line with current state school expenditureBenpointer said:
Hmmm. You don't think it's anything to do with the spend per pupil?DavidL said:On education there are 8 state secondary schools in Dundee and 1 private. The private school, year after year, gets more passes of science subjects at higher than the other 8 put together. It gets a higher proportion of A passes than any of the other schools get passes. It teaches subjects, like economics, that are not available in any of the state schools.
The disgrace is not that the private school gets some tax relief. The disgrace is that generations of children in state schools are being failed and only the private school shows what is possible. Why do we accept such levels of performance? Why is this ok?
What are we going to do about it?
Average uk private spend per secondary pupil per year = £14,466, state spend = £6,200.
https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2016/05/11/13/feesnew.jpg?width=1368&height=912&fit=bounds&format=pjpg&auto=webp&quality=70
I know more money can always help but £6,200 per pupil per year should be able to achieve a decently high level of education.
The good parts of the state sector are extraordinarily efficient and most of the private sector is... well, I hesitate to say inefficient, but profligate. But they get around it not just because £14k gives them the headroom, but because selection (by income and by entrance exam) means they don't have to spend vast amounts on troubled kids.
A lot of state school teachers end up sending their kids to private schools. It's not a coincidence.
Most private school teachers that I know have their children at state schools....
@El_Capitano said 'A lot of state school teachers end up sending their kids to private schools', not most.0 -
The comprehensive that Fox jr went to sends more kids to Oxbridge than Leicester Grammar (private) just a couple of miles away. Not so many to medical school though.DavidL said:
I finished my education at a comprehensive in Dundee which competed seriously with DHS for the number of kids sent to Oxbridge. The performance gap, if any, was very small in those days.OnlyLivingBoy said:
The day our comprehensive school beat Dundee High in a Latin recitation competition was a sweet one. Money can't buy you everything.DavidL said:
DHS is thankfully a bit less than the average but not much. Yes spending is a part of the problem although economies of scale should reduce the differential somewhat. But as @ydoethur says, it is only a part of the problem. Our state schools are dominated by producer interests. We tolerate failure far too readily and for far too long.Benpointer said:
Hmmm. You don't think it's anything to do with the spend per pupil?DavidL said:On education there are 8 state secondary schools in Dundee and 1 private. The private school, year after year, gets more passes of science subjects at higher than the other 8 put together. It gets a higher proportion of A passes than any of the other schools get passes. It teaches subjects, like economics, that are not available in any of the state schools.
The disgrace is not that the private school gets some tax relief. The disgrace is that generations of children in state schools are being failed and only the private school shows what is possible. Why do we accept such levels of performance? Why is this ok?
What are we going to do about it?
Average uk private spend per secondary pupil per year = £14,466, state spend = £6,200.
Indeed last year, 4 from the same class in Fox jr's old primary school got into Oxbridge. It was a particuarly good year!0 -
Your Mr Johnson - and his antics - is the reason why we as a country cannot now resolve any of our problems. We do not have a functioning government.ralphmalph said:
You are making my point, this is now not about how to solve the problems in the NHS it is now about pro Boris or anti Boris. That scenario solves nothing.The_Taxman said:
PM get's lectured shock! TM did not seem to get them but I can remember many of the incidents from Cameron to Blair. If party supporters are so thinned skinned they cannot allow any criticism they should stop getting involved in politics. Instead of slagging off a concerned parent, those who have been in power for the last 9 years should be saying what would you like us to do? Boris screwed up by not telling the truth. Sometimes it is better to own up to a mistake than protest innocence...ralphmalph said:My view of the chap that confronted Boris is that he would have been far more successful if he had made his point in a polite and focused manner.
If he had of approached Boris and said "I see you are here with the CEO of the hospital and i have been telling him that the ward where my daughter is being treated is under staffed. Can you PM raised this with him and try to get it fixed."
I think the public would support this approach, but I think the public are just sick o the ping pong attacks that solve nothing.0 -
Yes, but hardly in the Captain America class...Sunil_Prasannan said:
Ryan Reynolds will be jealousThe_Taxman said:HYUFD should take it as a compliment that so many people think he has a nice ass!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U63buhiMDbY
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You are making a short term tactical point. To solve the NHS issues will take a 10 year minimum, multi party plan.PClipp said:
Your Mr Johnson - and his antics - is the reason why we as a country cannot now resolve any of our problems. We do not have a functioning government.ralphmalph said:
You are making my point, this is now not about how to solve the problems in the NHS it is now about pro Boris or anti Boris. That scenario solves nothing.The_Taxman said:
PM get's lectured shock! TM did not seem to get them but I can remember many of the incidents from Cameron to Blair. If party supporters are so thinned skinned they cannot allow any criticism they should stop getting involved in politics. Instead of slagging off a concerned parent, those who have been in power for the last 9 years should be saying what would you like us to do? Boris screwed up by not telling the truth. Sometimes it is better to own up to a mistake than protest innocence...ralphmalph said:My view of the chap that confronted Boris is that he would have been far more successful if he had made his point in a polite and focused manner.
If he had of approached Boris and said "I see you are here with the CEO of the hospital and i have been telling him that the ward where my daughter is being treated is under staffed. Can you PM raised this with him and try to get it fixed."
I think the public would support this approach, but I think the public are just sick o the ping pong attacks that solve nothing.0 -
Really???DavidL said:0 -
Well in fairness he's hardly the only reason we cannot resolve any of our problems. The intractable division in the country plays a mighty big part of it. But he doesn't seem particularly concerned with resolving any of those problems, even if he is able, though I hope he can surprise me.PClipp said:
Your Mr Johnson - and his antics - is the reason why we as a country cannot now resolve any of our problems. We do not have a functioning government.ralphmalph said:
You are making my point, this is now not about how to solve the problems in the NHS it is now about pro Boris or anti Boris. That scenario solves nothing.The_Taxman said:
PM get's lectured shock! TM did not seem to get them but I can remember many of the incidents from Cameron to Blair. If party supporters are so thinned skinned they cannot allow any criticism they should stop getting involved in politics. Instead of slagging off a concerned parent, those who have been in power for the last 9 years should be saying what would you like us to do? Boris screwed up by not telling the truth. Sometimes it is better to own up to a mistake than protest innocence...ralphmalph said:My view of the chap that confronted Boris is that he would have been far more successful if he had made his point in a polite and focused manner.
If he had of approached Boris and said "I see you are here with the CEO of the hospital and i have been telling him that the ward where my daughter is being treated is under staffed. Can you PM raised this with him and try to get it fixed."
I think the public would support this approach, but I think the public are just sick o the ping pong attacks that solve nothing.0 -
I know, I got this one. I also got the recent Die Hard, Trainspotting and Star Wars ones. They are a welcome jollity. Keep at it.Sunil_Prasannan said:
It was Steve Buscemi in "Con Air" (1997).Drutt said:
I understand about four in five of them and I'm not sure it's to my credit.Benpointer said:
Every time you use a quote Sunil, I never have a fecking clue where it's from or what it's supposed to imply.Sunil_Prasannan said:
"HYUFD's a fountain of misplaced rage. Name your cliché; Mother held him too much or not enough, last picked at kickball, late night sneaky uncle, whatever. Now he's so angry that moments of levity actually cause him pain; give him headaches. Happiness, for that gentleman, hurts."Benpointer said:
Hey, nice new avatar @HYUFD!HYUFD said:
Man with history of Labour activism seeks a political stunt.Gallowgate said:
Man with history of political activism has the confidence to tell public figure their opinion?HYUFD said:
This guy was a Labour activist with an agenda, I notice no other parents of patients bothered to leave their kids bedside to rant with the PMviewcode said:
I realise you are an adherent of Boris but surely you must realise that the scenario you have outlined is simply not possible.HYUFD said:
ThousandsDavidL said:
I honestly find that repugnant. Is the man’s daughter ill? Is she receiving treatment? How the f*** is that a set up then?HYUFD said:This was a set up by a Labour activist, ignore
https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1174314704589807616?s=20
It is of.
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Seriously mate. Get a grip. This is pathetic.
It is you being pathetic ignoring it
I assume it's an allusion to your party leader's campaigning abilities?1 -
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The only way we can get a functioning government is through a GE. Unfortunately you liberals are too scared to have one.PClipp said:
Your Mr Johnson - and his antics - is the reason why we as a country cannot now resolve any of our problems. We do not have a functioning government.ralphmalph said:
You are making my point, this is now not about how to solve the problems in the NHS it is now about pro Boris or anti Boris. That scenario solves nothing.The_Taxman said:
PM get's lectured shock! TM did not seem to get them but I can remember many of the incidents from Cameron to Blair. If party supporters are so thinned skinned they cannot allow any criticism they should stop getting involved in politics. Instead of slagging off a concerned parent, those who have been in power for the last 9 years should be saying what would you like us to do? Boris screwed up by not telling the truth. Sometimes it is better to own up to a mistake than protest innocence...ralphmalph said:My view of the chap that confronted Boris is that he would have been far more successful if he had made his point in a polite and focused manner.
If he had of approached Boris and said "I see you are here with the CEO of the hospital and i have been telling him that the ward where my daughter is being treated is under staffed. Can you PM raised this with him and try to get it fixed."
I think the public would support this approach, but I think the public are just sick o the ping pong attacks that solve nothing.1 -
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Seriously impressive. The performance of private schools in England seems much more mixed and there are of course some excellent state schools. Why are they excellent despite modest resources? I would tentatively suggest the quality of leadership. Good heads are gold dust.Foxy said:
The comprehensive that Fox jr went to sends more kids to Oxbridge than Leicester Grammar (private) just a couple of miles away. Not so many to medical school though.DavidL said:
I finished my education at a comprehensive in Dundee which competed seriously with DHS for the number of kids sent to Oxbridge. The performance gap, if any, was very small in those days.OnlyLivingBoy said:
The day our comprehensive school beat Dundee High in a Latin recitation competition was a sweet one. Money can't buy you everything.DavidL said:
DHS is thankfully a bit less than the average but not much. Yes spending is a part of the problem although economies of scale should reduce the differential somewhat. But as @ydoethur says, it is only a part of the problem. Our state schools are dominated by producer interests. We tolerate failure far too readily and for far too long.Benpointer said:
Hmmm. You don't think it's anything to do with the spend per pupil?DavidL said:On education there are 8 state secondary schools in Dundee and 1 private. The private school, year after year, gets more passes of science subjects at higher than the other 8 put together. It gets a higher proportion of A passes than any of the other schools get passes. It teaches subjects, like economics, that are not available in any of the state schools.
The disgrace is not that the private school gets some tax relief. The disgrace is that generations of children in state schools are being failed and only the private school shows what is possible. Why do we accept such levels of performance? Why is this ok?
What are we going to do about it?
Average uk private spend per secondary pupil per year = £14,466, state spend = £6,200.
Indeed last year, 4 from the same class in Fox jr's old primary school got into Oxbridge. It was a particuarly good year!0 -
Fair enough - not my thing but someone enjoys it.Drutt said:
I know, I got this one. I also got the recent Die Hard, Trainspotting and Star Wars ones. They are a welcome jollity. Keep at it.Sunil_Prasannan said:
It was Steve Buscemi in "Con Air" (1997).Drutt said:
I understand about four in five of them and I'm not sure it's to my credit.Benpointer said:
Every time you use a quote Sunil, I never have a fecking clue where it's from or what it's supposed to imply.Sunil_Prasannan said:
"HYUFD's a fountain of misplaced rage. Name your cliché; Mother held him too much or not enough, last picked at kickball, late night sneaky uncle, whatever. Now he's so angry that moments of levity actually cause him pain; give him headaches. Happiness, for that gentleman, hurts."Benpointer said:
Hey, nice new avatar @HYUFD!HYUFD said:
Man with history of Labour activism seeks a political stunt.Gallowgate said:
Man with history of political activism has the confidence to tell public figure their opinion?HYUFD said:
This guy was a Labour activist with an agenda, I notice no other parents of patients bothered to leave their kids bedside to rant with the PMviewcode said:
I realise you are an adherent of Boris but surely you must realise that the scenario you have outlined is simply not possible.HYUFD said:
ThousandsDavidL said:
I honestly find that repugnant. Is the man’s daughter ill? Is she receiving treatment? How the f*** is that a set up then?HYUFD said:This was a set up by a Labour activist, ignore
https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1174314704589807616?s=20
It is of.
Other News at 10.
Seriously mate. Get a grip. This is pathetic.
It is you being pathetic ignoring it
I assume it's an allusion to your party leader's campaigning abilities?
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First three comments in reply.Scott_P said:
Dead cat in the room! This isn’t the first time this is orchestrated to do least damage to Boris Johnson
Quite right. She has no need to apologise for anything
This is a disgraceful statement. At the bare minimum, you should've suspended her. I can't wait for BBC reforms!!!!!
Such unity.
Honestly, I don't know how people get so worked up on twitter. It's hard enough work getting worked up on PB, but the outrage levels (usually) are so much higher on social media, it looks exhausting.0 -
It's the opposite. Johnson is so dishonest and so incompetent, in another place or in other times he would be out the door by now. Yet for people like yourself, who aren't few in number, none of this matters.steve_garner said:PB Boris haters having another day scoffing at him. Yesterday they were cheering on the Luxembourg PM for setting up Boris. More considered commentators like the Times leader writers had a far more balanced view of the boorish and ill mannered behaviour of the Luxembourg PM, a view that will be shared by most objective readers. The PB Boris haters are so keen to criticise him for anything and everything they've lost their ability to make reasoned judgement.
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Agree. And I'm not even sure that Boris' failure to deal with these situations with slick aplomb will do him any harm.steve_garner said:PB Boris haters having another day scoffing at him. Yesterday they were cheering on the Luxembourg PM for setting up Boris. More considered commentators like the Times leader writers had a far more balanced view of the boorish and ill mannered behaviour of the Luxembourg PM, a view that will be shared by most objective readers. The PB Boris haters are so keen to criticise him for anything and everything they've lost their ability to make reasoned judgement.
Because he used her plight to justify his attack, which would otherwise have appeared nakedly political.Benpointer said:
In what sense has he used her as a political football?Luckyguy1983 said:
I think the man's behaviour was, and continues to be, apalling. I only hope his daughter was completely out of the woods before he decided to use her as a political football.Drutt said:His kid is clearly poorly and it's not really on to have a go at him personally for having a moan to the PM, even if it's wholly misdirected in the circumstances. The PM has to just take that sort of thing in his stride, make nice noises about record NHS spending and tell him his thoughts are with them. News editor runs a tried and tested story called Minister Looks A Tit, nobody actually cares. Docs and nurses go back to tending the sick, No10 thanks them for their hard work in public statement.
The idea that Salem's criticism of the PM is less valid because he's an opposition activist has some small merit, but that shouldn't extend to being actively shitty towards the chap.0 -
Multi-party? So it needs a miracle then?ralphmalph said:
You are making a short term tactical point. To solve the NHS issues will take a 10 year minimum, multi party plan.PClipp said:
Your Mr Johnson - and his antics - is the reason why we as a country cannot now resolve any of our problems. We do not have a functioning government.ralphmalph said:
You are making my point, this is now not about how to solve the problems in the NHS it is now about pro Boris or anti Boris. That scenario solves nothing.The_Taxman said:
PM get's lectured shock! TM did not seem to get them but I can remember many of the incidents from Cameron to Blair. If party supporters are so thinned skinned they cannot allow any criticism they should stop getting involved in politics. Instead of slagging off a concerned parent, those who have been in power for the last 9 years should be saying what would you like us to do? Boris screwed up by not telling the truth. Sometimes it is better to own up to a mistake than protest innocence...ralphmalph said:My view of the chap that confronted Boris is that he would have been far more successful if he had made his point in a polite and focused manner.
If he had of approached Boris and said "I see you are here with the CEO of the hospital and i have been telling him that the ward where my daughter is being treated is under staffed. Can you PM raised this with him and try to get it fixed."
I think the public would support this approach, but I think the public are just sick o the ping pong attacks that solve nothing.0 -
Can't get WORKED UP!!!????kle4 said:
First three comments in reply.Scott_P said:
Dead cat in the room! This isn’t the first time this is orchestrated to do least damage to Boris Johnson
Quite right. She has no need to apologise for anything
This is a disgraceful statement. At the bare minimum, you should've suspended her. I can't wait for BBC reforms!!!!!
Such unity.
Honestly, I don't know how people get so worked up on twitter. It's hard enough work getting worked up on PB, but the outrage levels (usually) are so much higher on social media, it looks exhausting.
What's the matter with you????
You're a DISGRACE!!!!
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Yes. Doesn't mean he should have been there. Doesn't mean that there is not something rancid about politicians using people and children who are suffering as props (or policemen for that matter). But some humanity in recognising that the person concerned was distressed and rightly so.Roger said:
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Laura K’s chief transgression in life is being a shit journalist. She almost never breaks any good stories and relies on government (or sometimes opposition) spin and pick and mix social media fluff for her lines. She is mediocre in the extreme.1
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I am not, to state things at their very mildest, a fan of Boris Johnson but I do not think he handled this hospital incident particularly badly. Certainly if I were one of those strange and unfathomable creatures we call 'floating voters' I would not, having viewed it on TV, be less inclined to vote for him than I was before.0
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Maybe if Boris had not sanctioned £100 million of Government advertising on Brexit to run concurrently with his original electoral plan you would have a point. But his plot failed, you will likely get your election but it won't be on his terms or with the benefit of the Government manipulating the people with short-term giveaways. Boris cannot get a QS through the Commons, which means no tax cuts or public spending increases...steve_garner said:
The only way we can get a functioning government is through a GE. Unfortunately you liberals are too scared to have one.PClipp said:
Your Mr Johnson - and his antics - is the reason why we as a country cannot now resolve any of our problems. We do not have a functioning government.ralphmalph said:
You are making my point, this is now not about how to solve the problems in the NHS it is now about pro Boris or anti Boris. That scenario solves nothing.The_Taxman said:
PM get's lectured shock! TM did not seem to get them but I can remember many of the incidents from Cameron to Blair. If party supporters are so thinned skinned they cannot allow any criticism they should stop getting involved in politics. Instead of slagging off a concerned parent, those who have been in power for the last 9 years should be saying what would you like us to do? Boris screwed up by not telling the truth. Sometimes it is better to own up to a mistake than protest innocence...ralphmalph said:My view of the chap that confronted Boris is that he would have been far more successful if he had made his point in a polite and focused manner.
If he had of approached Boris and said "I see you are here with the CEO of the hospital and i have been telling him that the ward where my daughter is being treated is under staffed. Can you PM raised this with him and try to get it fixed."
I think the public would support this approach, but I think the public are just sick o the ping pong attacks that solve nothing.0 -
Looking at the two LK tweets on the Boris hospital spat they seem fair to me.
I presume none have been deleted?0 -
Um, thank youDrutt said:
I know, I got this one. I also got the recent Die Hard, Trainspotting and Star Wars ones. They are a welcome jollity. Keep at it.Sunil_Prasannan said:
It was Steve Buscemi in "Con Air" (1997).Drutt said:
I understand about four in five of them and I'm not sure it's to my credit.Benpointer said:
Every time you use a quote Sunil, I never have a fecking clue where it's from or what it's supposed to imply.Sunil_Prasannan said:
"HYUFD's a fountain of misplaced rage. Name your cliché; Mother held him too much or not enough, last picked at kickball, late night sneaky uncle, whatever. Now he's so angry that moments of levity actually cause him pain; give him headaches. Happiness, for that gentleman, hurts."Benpointer said:
Hey, nice new avatar @HYUFD!HYUFD said:
Man with history of Labour activism seeks a political stunt.Gallowgate said:
Man with history of political activism has the confidence to tell public figure their opinion?HYUFD said:
This guy was a Labour activist with an agenda, I notice no other parents of patients bothered to leave their kids bedside to rant with the PMviewcode said:
I realise you are an adherent of Boris but surely you must realise that the scenario you have outlined is simply not possible.HYUFD said:
ThousandsDavidL said:
I honestly find that repugnant. Is the man’s daughter ill? Is she receiving treatment? How the f*** is that a set up then?HYUFD said:This was a set up by a Labour activist, ignore
https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1174314704589807616?s=20
It is of.
Other News at 10.
Seriously mate. Get a grip. This is pathetic.
It is you being pathetic ignoring it
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I am sad to say yes. The politicisation of the last 20 years has done immense damage.kle4 said:
Multi-party? So it needs a miracle then?ralphmalph said:
You are making a short term tactical point. To solve the NHS issues will take a 10 year minimum, multi party plan.PClipp said:
Your Mr Johnson - and his antics - is the reason why we as a country cannot now resolve any of our problems. We do not have a functioning government.ralphmalph said:
You are making my point, this is now not about how to solve the problems in the NHS it is now about pro Boris or anti Boris. That scenario solves nothing.The_Taxman said:
PM get's lectured shock! TM did not seem to get them but I can remember many of the incidents from Cameron to Blair. If party supporters are so thinned skinned they cannot allow any criticism they should stop getting involved in politics. Instead of slagging off a concerned parent, those who have been in power for the last 9 years should be saying what would you like us to do? Boris screwed up by not telling the truth. Sometimes it is better to own up to a mistake than protest innocence...ralphmalph said:My view of the chap that confronted Boris is that he would have been far more successful if he had made his point in a polite and focused manner.
If he had of approached Boris and said "I see you are here with the CEO of the hospital and i have been telling him that the ward where my daughter is being treated is under staffed. Can you PM raised this with him and try to get it fixed."
I think the public would support this approach, but I think the public are just sick o the ping pong attacks that solve nothing.0 -
I agree with that overall, although I did think she was quite good pressing Boris after the Luxembourg no-show.Anabobazina said:Laura K’s chief transgression in life is being a shit journalist. She almost never breaks any good stories and relies on government (or sometimes opposition) spin and pick and mix social media fluff for her lines. She is mediocre in the extreme.
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The accusations against her are doxing the father but she merely linked his Twitter thread which others had too, and pointing out hes an activist which seems fair enough for completeness in reporting, even the Mirror added it to the story.Benpointer said:Looking at the two LK tweets on the Boris hospital spat they seem fair to me.
I presume none have been deleted?0 -
Laura K literally quoted the guy to give coverage of his side of the story. The attacks on her are ridiculous. What is wrong with this country?0
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The NHS must be protected and our braveBenpointer said:Looking at the two LK tweets on the Boris hospital spat they seem fair to me.
I presume none have been deleted?
There is a section of society that treat the NHS like the second coming of Christ - they are mentalists.Benpointer said:Looking at the two LK tweets on the Boris hospital spat they seem fair to me.
I presume none have been deleted?0 -
She seems to attract swivel eyed lunacy in spadesGallowgate said:Laura K literally quoted the guy to give coverage of his side of the story. The attacks on her are ridiculous. What is wrong with this country?
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One of the best bad films ever made.Sunil_Prasannan said:
It was Steve Buscemi in "Con Air" (1997).Drutt said:
I understand about four in five of them and I'm not sure it's to my credit.Benpointer said:
Every time you use a quote Sunil, I never have a fecking clue where it's from or what it's supposed to imply.Sunil_Prasannan said:
"HYUFD's a fountain of misplaced rage. Name your cliché; Mother held him too much or not enough, last picked at kickball, late night sneaky uncle, whatever. Now he's so angry that moments of levity actually cause him pain; give him headaches. Happiness, for that gentleman, hurts."Benpointer said:
Hey, nice new avatar @HYUFD!HYUFD said:
Man with history of Labour activism seeks a political stunt.Gallowgate said:
Man with history of political activism has the confidence to tell public figure their opinion?HYUFD said:
This guy was a Labour activist with an agenda, I notice no other parents of patients bothered to leave their kids bedside to rant with the PMviewcode said:
The reason why "most of them spend their time with their kids not going on ideological rants against the prime minister to push a political agenda just as he happens to be visiting" is because he is not visiting the hospital at the same time as themHYUFD said:
Thousands of parents have kids in hospital everyday, most of them spend their time with their kids not going on ideological rants against the prime minister to push a political agenda just as he happens to be visitingDavidL said:
I honestly find that repugnant. Is the man’s daughter ill? Is she receiving treatment? How the f*** is that a set up then?HYUFD said:This was a set up by a Labour activist, ignore
https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1174314704589807616?s=20
It is of course ridiculous to hold the PM responsible for an alleged shortage of staff on a particular ward. It is equally appalling to use sick kids as some sort of prop to show how you “care”. Pretending it’s not a PR stunt when it so obviously is is pretty contemptible. Politicians who play with fire occasionally get burnt. It goes with the territory.
I realise you are an adherent of Boris but surely you must realise that the scenario you have outlined is simply not possible.
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Seriously mate. Get a grip. This is pathetic.
It is you being pathetic ignoring it
I assume it's an allusion to your party leader's campaigning abilities?0 -
Indeed and he is controlling the negotiation- not the Finnish PM.The_Taxman said:0 -
We lack a functioning Government because you Liberal Democrats apparently hate democracy and are running scared of an election.PClipp said:
Your Mr Johnson - and his antics - is the reason why we as a country cannot now resolve any of our problems. We do not have a functioning government.ralphmalph said:
You are making my point, this is now not about how to solve the problems in the NHS it is now about pro Boris or anti Boris. That scenario solves nothing.The_Taxman said:
PM get's lectured shock! TM did not seem to get them but I can remember many of the incidents from Cameron to Blair. If party supporters are so thinned skinned they cannot allow any criticism they should stop getting involved in politics. Instead of slagging off a concerned parent, those who have been in power for the last 9 years should be saying what would you like us to do? Boris screwed up by not telling the truth. Sometimes it is better to own up to a mistake than protest innocence...ralphmalph said:My view of the chap that confronted Boris is that he would have been far more successful if he had made his point in a polite and focused manner.
If he had of approached Boris and said "I see you are here with the CEO of the hospital and i have been telling him that the ward where my daughter is being treated is under staffed. Can you PM raised this with him and try to get it fixed."
I think the public would support this approach, but I think the public are just sick o the ping pong attacks that solve nothing.0 -
No party would be better.ralphmalph said:
I am sad to say yes. The politicisation of the last 20 years has done immense damage.kle4 said:
Multi-party? So it needs a miracle then?ralphmalph said:
You are making a short term tactical point. To solve the NHS issues will take a 10 year minimum, multi party plan.PClipp said:
Your Mr Johnson - and his antics - is the reason why we as a country cannot now resolve any of our problems. We do not have a functioning government.ralphmalph said:
You are making my point, this is now not about how to solve the problems in the NHS it is now about pro Boris or anti Boris. That scenario solves nothing.The_Taxman said:
PM get's lectured shock! TM did not seem to get them but I can remember many of the incidents from Cameron to Blair. If party supporters are so thinned skinned they cannot allow any criticism they should stop getting involved in politics. Instead of slagging off a concerned parent, those who have been in power for the last 9 years should be saying what would you like us to do? Boris screwed up by not telling the truth. Sometimes it is better to own up to a mistake than protest innocence...ralphmalph said:My view of the chap that confronted Boris is that he would have been far more successful if he had made his point in a polite and focused manner.
If he had of approached Boris and said "I see you are here with the CEO of the hospital and i have been telling him that the ward where my daughter is being treated is under staffed. Can you PM raised this with him and try to get it fixed."
I think the public would support this approach, but I think the public are just sick o the ping pong attacks that solve nothing.0 -
They are hypnotists and clairvoyants?TGOHF said:
There is a section of society that treat the NHS like the second coming of Christ - they are mentalists.Benpointer said:Looking at the two LK tweets on the Boris hospital spat they seem fair to me.
I presume none have been deleted?
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It does seem to be a bit of a theme, though, member of the public remonstrating with him and him coming across as a bit shifty. Today was a drip, but it's been drip drip drip. Now he's out of the relatively chummy university debating arena that was the leadership contest and into the messy world of public interactions, he's looking increasingly like a second-rater.kinabalu said:I am not, to state things at their very mildest, a fan of Boris Johnson but I do not think he handled this hospital incident particularly badly. Certainly if I were one of those strange and unfathomable creatures we call 'floating voters' I would not, having viewed it on TV, be less inclined to vote for him than I was before.
The fury of the Boris fans tells you something about their perception of this vulnerability. The freeze frame of the guy's belt ("it's a microphone!") and so on... this looks like damage limitation rather than shrugging off a trifle.0 -
Doesn't Boris have a Queen's Speech to prepare for? He seems to need 5 weeks for it, should he be wasting time on jolly jaunts to hospitals instead?Philip_Thompson said:
Unless you want a privatised healthcare system and the government to take a totally hands-off approach to healthcare then publicity is a genuine reason for politicians to go to visit hospitals.Benpointer said:
The father had a genuine reason to be in the hospital; Boris was there for publicity...Philip_Thompson said:
It is possible for his daughter to be ill, coincidentally find out that the PM is visiting the same hospital then for partisan reasons take the opportunity to ambush him which has presented itself before you though.viewcode said:
It is not possible for him to have arranged for his daughter to be seriously ill on the same date and time that Boris turned up on a publicity visit that he couldn't possibly have known about in advance.HYUFD said:This was a set up by a Labour activist, ignore
https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1174314704589807616?s=20
Your conclusion is obviously gibberish and speaks poorly of you.
https://twitter.com/OmarSalem/status/1174301286692532224?s=20
Is that what you want? Will you condemn MPs of all parties for visiting hospitals? Do you want to take politics, and thus taxes, out of the NHS?
Think carefully about what you're saying.0 -
I would say BBC News somewhat deflecting here, which in turn suggests implicit acknowledgement of an issue with Kuenssberg's reporting of the story. The accusation against Kuenssberg isn't malicious intent. The accusation is of poor editorial judgement that allowed a largely irrelevant detail about the parent's political background dominate a story about Johnson's visit to the hospital.Scott_P said:0 -
Labour Brexit policy latest:
Jezza is sitting on the fence over whether he will continue to sit on the fence.
This isn't me taking the piss - reported on News at Ten!0 -
Indeed. It's becoming a habit:Noo said:
It does seem to be a bit of a theme, though, member of the public remonstrating with him and him coming across as a bit shifty. Today was a drip, but it's been drip drip drip. Now he's out of the relatively chummy university debating arena that was the leadership contest and into the messy world of public interactions, he's looking increasingly like a second-rater.kinabalu said:I am not, to state things at their very mildest, a fan of Boris Johnson but I do not think he handled this hospital incident particularly badly. Certainly if I were one of those strange and unfathomable creatures we call 'floating voters' I would not, having viewed it on TV, be less inclined to vote for him than I was before.
The fury of the Boris fans tells you something about their perception of this vulnerability. The freeze frame of the guy's belt ("it's a microphone!") and so on... this looks like damage limitation rather than shrugging off a trifle.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/18/press-opportunity-johnsons-most-awkward-moments-with-hecklers-so-far0 -
Interesting category!OnlyLivingBoy said:One of the best bad films ever made.
American Gigolo for me.
Terrible movie.
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I don't believe the over the top pro-BJ propaganda in the Brexit supporting media, a point will come when even those who believe it at the moment will come to resent the folly they preach...TGOHF said:
Indeed and he is controlling the negotiation- not the Finnish PM.The_Taxman said:0 -
Is this one of these trick questions where we pretend the spend per pupil doesn't have an effect, the ability of the private school to exclude potential problem pupils to have an 'ideal' student body and the highly motivated parents are all immaterial?DavidL said:On education there are 8 state secondary schools in Dundee and 1 private. The private school, year after year, gets more passes of science subjects at higher than the other 8 put together. It gets a higher proportion of A passes than any of the other schools get passes. It teaches subjects, like economics, that are not available in any of the state schools.
The disgrace is not that the private school gets some tax relief. The disgrace is that generations of children in state schools are being failed and only the private school shows what is possible. Why do we accept such levels of performance? Why is this ok?
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Oadby schools are generally very good, in the City a bit more variable, but Fox jrs school is a genuine comprehensive.DavidL said:
Seriously impressive. The performance of private schools in England seems much more mixed and there are of course some excellent state schools. Why are they excellent despite modest resources? I would tentatively suggest the quality of leadership. Good heads are gold dust.Foxy said:
The comprehensive that Fox jr went to sends more kids to Oxbridge than Leicester Grammar (private) just a couple of miles away. Not so many to medical school though.DavidL said:
I finished my education at a comprehensive in Dundee which competed seriously with DHS for the number of kids sent to Oxbridge. The performance gap, if any, was very small in those days.OnlyLivingBoy said:
The day our comprehensive school beat Dundee High in a Latin recitation competition was a sweet one. Money can't buy you everything.DavidL said:
DHS is thankfully a bit less than the average but not much. Yes spending is a part of the problem although economies of scale should reduce the differential somewhat. But as @ydoethur says, it is only a part of the problem. Our state schools are dominated by producer interests. We tolerate failure far too readily and for far too long.Benpointer said:
Hmmm. You don't think it's anything to do with the spend per pupil?DavidL said:On education there are 8 state secondary schools in Dundee and 1 private. The private school, year after year, gets more passes of science subjects at higher than the other 8 put together. It gets a higher proportion of A passes than any of the other schools get passes. It teaches subjects, like economics, that are not available in any of the state schools.
The disgrace is not that the private school gets some tax relief. The disgrace is that generations of children in state schools are being failed and only the private school shows what is possible. Why do we accept such levels of performance? Why is this ok?
What are we going to do about it?
Average uk private spend per secondary pupil per year = £14,466, state spend = £6,200.
Indeed last year, 4 from the same class in Fox jr's old primary school got into Oxbridge. It was a particuarly good year!
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she is a duffer and nasty with it, off with her head.dyedwoolie said:
She doxxed the father, although Jennie Formby has also todayGIN1138 said:#SackLauraKunessberg trending on Twiter?
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Largely irrelevant? Don't be absurd.FF43 said:
I would say BBC News somewhat deflecting here, which in turn suggests implicit acknowledgement of an issue with Kuenssberg's reporting of the story. The accusation against Kuenssberg isn't malicious intent. The accusation is of poor editorial judgement that allowed a largely irrelevant detail about the parent's political background dominate a story about Johnson's visit to the hospital.Scott_P said:0 -
The version I heard was that he meant they weren't press journalists but broadcast media.Pulpstar said:I think Boris meant to say it wasn't a press conference, but it came out wrong *ducks behind sofa*
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The majority of a child's academic performance comes from parents first, peer group second and school last.0
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On topic. It was a fact finding event, not a photo op. There was no media there.0
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Of course not.egg said:On topic. It was a fact finding event, not a photo op. There was no media there.
But that's a damn good reconstruction Sky have done in the thread header video.1 -
Bollocks to democracy.Richard_Tyndall said:
We lack a functioning Government because you Liberal Democrats apparently hate democracy and are running scared of an election.PClipp said:
Your Mr Johnson - and his antics - is the reason why we as a country cannot now resolve any of our problems. We do not have a functioning government.ralphmalph said:
You are making my point, this is now not about how to solve the problems in the NHS it is now about pro Boris or anti Boris. That scenario solves nothing.The_Taxman said:
PM get's lectured shock! TM did not seem to get them but I can remember many of the incidents from Cameron to Blair. If party supporters are so thinned skinned they cannot allow any criticism they should stop getting involved in politics. Instead of slagging off a concerned parent, those who have been in power for the last 9 years should be saying what would you like us to do? Boris screwed up by not telling the truth. Sometimes it is better to own up to a mistake than protest innocence...ralphmalph said:My view of the chap that confronted Boris is that he would have been far more successful if he had made his point in a polite and focused manner.
If he had of approached Boris and said "I see you are here with the CEO of the hospital and i have been telling him that the ward where my daughter is being treated is under staffed. Can you PM raised this with him and try to get it fixed."
I think the public would support this approach, but I think the public are just sick o the ping pong attacks that solve nothing.0 -
CPI inflation fell to 1.7% in August, meaning wages are growing at about 2.2% above wider inflation. I'm old enough to remember the times when that would be the headline news.0
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Lucky for Bozo there was no media presence, or else there would have been footage all over the evening news.egg said:On topic. It was a fact finding event, not a photo op. There was no media there.
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Tbh, that would be worse, if he was being that pedantic at such an inappropriate moment.NickPalmer said:
The version I heard was that he meant they weren't press journalists but broadcast media.Pulpstar said:I think Boris meant to say it wasn't a press conference, but it came out wrong *ducks behind sofa*
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'Largely irrelevant' the political background of this diehard Labour activist was the entire reason this story even emerged in the first place due to his Corbynista rant against the PMFF43 said:
I would say BBC News somewhat deflecting here, which in turn suggests implicit acknowledgement of an issue with Kuenssberg's reporting of the story. The accusation against Kuenssberg isn't malicious intent. The accusation is of poor editorial judgement that allowed a largely irrelevant detail about the parent's political background dominate a story about Johnson's visit to the hospital.Scott_P said:0 -
Does a longer period seeing Boris in the job help or hinder his electoral chances?
It May not come till the spring or later?0 -
She put out a tweet which rather abruptly stated the gent was a Labour activist - see here.Gallowgate said:Laura K literally quoted the guy to give coverage of his side of the story. The attacks on her are ridiculous. What is wrong with this country?
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1174318249460281346
and then linked to his twitter account.
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"They somehow managed to get every Brexiteer and Leaver in the universe onto this one plane. And then somehow managed to let them take it over. And then somehow managed to stick us right smack in the middle."OnlyLivingBoy said:
One of the best bad films ever made.Sunil_Prasannan said:
It was Steve Buscemi in "Con Air" (1997).Drutt said:
I understand about four in five of them and I'm not sure it's to my credit.Benpointer said:
Every time you use a quote Sunil, I never have a fecking clue where it's from or what it's supposed to imply.Sunil_Prasannan said:
"HYUFD's a fountain of misplaced rage. Name your cliché; Mother held him too much or not enough, last picked at kickball, late night sneaky uncle, whatever. Now he's so angry that moments of levity actually cause him pain; give him headaches. Happiness, for that gentleman, hurts."Benpointer said:
Hey, nice new avatar @HYUFD!HYUFD said:
Man with history of Labour activism seeks a political stunt.Gallowgate said:
Man with history of political activism has the confidence to tell public figure their opinion?HYUFD said:
This guy was a Labour activist with an agenda, I notice no other parents of patients bothered to leave their kids bedside to rant with the PMviewcode said:
The reason why "most of them spend their time with their kids not going on ideological rants against the prime minister to push a political agenda just as he happens to be visiting" is because he is not visiting the hospital at the same time as themHYUFD said:
Thousands of parents have kids in hospital everyday, most of them spend their time with their kids not going on ideological rants against the prime minister to push a political agenda just as he happens to be visitingDavidL said:
I honestly find that repugnant. Is the man’s daughter ill? Is she receiving treatment? How the f*** is that a set up then?HYUFD said:This was a set up by a Labour activist, ignore
https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1174314704589807616?s=20
I realise you are an adherent of Boris but surely you must realise that the scenario you have outlined is simply not possible.
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Seriously mate. Get a grip. This is pathetic.
It is you being pathetic ignoring it
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Well, I guess we should be grateful that you gave up on the 'microphone truther' angle.HYUFD said:
'Largely irrelevant' the political background of this diehard Labour activist was the entire reason this story even emerged in the first place due to his Corbynista rant against the PMFF43 said:
I would say BBC News somewhat deflecting here, which in turn suggests implicit acknowledgement of an issue with Kuenssberg's reporting of the story. The accusation against Kuenssberg isn't malicious intent. The accusation is of poor editorial judgement that allowed a largely irrelevant detail about the parent's political background dominate a story about Johnson's visit to the hospital.Scott_P said:0 -
That's what I assumed - since he worked in print media he doesn't think of TV bods as being the press. This is one of the big differences with Trump, who is a TV guy through and through. Johnson is a newspapers guy, in an era when nobody reads newspapers.NickPalmer said:
The version I heard was that he meant they weren't press journalists but broadcast media.Pulpstar said:I think Boris meant to say it wasn't a press conference, but it came out wrong *ducks behind sofa*
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He is very good in unstructured situations so long as the atmosphere is lighthearted. Clowning around in a fish factory, that sort of thing. Without wanting to get too Carly Simon about it, nobody does it better.Noo said:It does seem to be a bit of a theme, though, member of the public remonstrating with him and him coming across as a bit shifty. Today was a drip, but it's been drip drip drip. Now he's out of the relatively chummy university debating arena that was the leadership contest and into the messy world of public interactions, he's looking increasingly like a second-rater.
The fury of the Boris fans tells you something about their perception of this vulnerability. The freeze frame of the guy's belt ("it's a microphone!") and so on... this looks like damage limitation rather than shrugging off a trifle.
But if the setting is serious and/or hostile he often struggles.0 -
No it’s not. It doesn’t even look like Boris. the real Boris is much taller and his face not dangerously bloated like that.Benpointer said:
Of course not.egg said:On topic. It was a fact finding event, not a photo op. There was no media there.
But that's a damn good reconstruction Sky have done in the thread header video.0 -
"We had to destroy Prorogue democracy to save it!"egg said:
Bollocks to democracy.Richard_Tyndall said:
We lack a functioning Government because you Liberal Democrats apparently hate democracy and are running scared of an election.PClipp said:
Your Mr Johnson - and his antics - is the reason why we as a country cannot now resolve any of our problems. We do not have a functioning government.ralphmalph said:
You are making my point, this is now not about how to solve the problems in the NHS it is now about pro Boris or anti Boris. That scenario solves nothing.The_Taxman said:
PM get's lectured shock! TM did not seem to get them but I can remember many of the incidents from Cameron to Blair. If party supporters are so thinned skinned they cannot allow any criticism they should stop getting involved in politics. Instead of slagging off a concerned parent, those who have been in power for the last 9 years should be saying what would you like us to do? Boris screwed up by not telling the truth. Sometimes it is better to own up to a mistake than protest innocence...ralphmalph said:My view of the chap that confronted Boris is that he would have been far more successful if he had made his point in a polite and focused manner.
If he had of approached Boris and said "I see you are here with the CEO of the hospital and i have been telling him that the ward where my daughter is being treated is under staffed. Can you PM raised this with him and try to get it fixed."
I think the public would support this approach, but I think the public are just sick o the ping pong attacks that solve nothing.0 -
Sorry, I just see some shouty lefty ranting and frothing, to the point where he is nearly restrained. We've all met them.0
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Remember Sharon Storer who confronted Tony Blair about the NHS in 2001?
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You're overcommitting to this. Even Boris Johnson's twitter account said he was "glad this gentleman told me his problems". His political background doesn't invalidate his voice. Labour voters' views are just as important as anyone else's.HYUFD said:
'Largely irrelevant' the political background of this diehard Labour activist was the entire reason this story even emerged in the first place due to his Corbynista rant against the PMFF43 said:
I would say BBC News somewhat deflecting here, which in turn suggests implicit acknowledgement of an issue with Kuenssberg's reporting of the story. The accusation against Kuenssberg isn't malicious intent. The accusation is of poor editorial judgement that allowed a largely irrelevant detail about the parent's political background dominate a story about Johnson's visit to the hospital.Scott_P said:0 -
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Of course not.egg said:On topic. It was a fact finding event, not a photo op. There was no media there.
But that's a damn good reconstruction Sky have done in the thread header video.0 -
😁SandyRentool said:
Lucky for Bozo there was no media presence, or else there would have been footage all over the evening news.egg said:On topic. It was a fact finding event, not a photo op. There was no media there.
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Looking at the Pro Brexit media and their utilisation of countdown clocks makes me wonder if someone needs to start counting up the number of Whoppers Boris utters each day! I take a dim view of BJ trying to project an image that involves seriously ill children. Where is the limit to how low he will go? Next he will be visiting mortuary's and posing for pictures with those who cannot object... 0
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"Put the Brexit back in the box."Sunil_Prasannan said:
"They somehow managed to get every Brexiteer and Leaver in the universe onto this one plane. And then somehow managed to let them take it over. And then somehow managed to stick us right smack in the middle."OnlyLivingBoy said:
One of the best bad films ever made.Sunil_Prasannan said:
It was Steve Buscemi in "Con Air" (1997).Drutt said:
I understand about four in five of them and I'm not sure it's to my credit.Benpointer said:
Every time you use a quote Sunil, I never have a fecking clue where it's from or what it's supposed to imply.Sunil_Prasannan said:
"HYUFD's a fountain of misplaced rage. Name your cliché; Mother held him too much or not enough, last picked at kickball, late night sneaky uncle, whatever. Now he's so angry that moments of levity actually cause him pain; give him headaches. Happiness, for that gentleman, hurts."Benpointer said:
Hey, nice new avatar @HYUFD!HYUFD said:
Man with history of Labour activism seeks a political stunt.Gallowgate said:
Man with history of political activism has the confidence to tell public figure their opinion?HYUFD said:
This guy was a Labour activist with an agenda, I notice no other parents of patients bothered to leave their kids bedside to rant with the PMviewcode said:
The reason why "most of them spend their time with their kids not going on ideological rants against the prime minister to push a political agenda just as he happens to be visiting" is because he is not visiting the hospital at the same time as themHYUFD said:
Thousands of parents have kids in hospital everyday, most of them spend their time with their kids not going on ideological rants against the prime minister to push a political agenda just as he happens to be visitingDavidL said:
I honestly find that repugnant. Is the man’s daughter ill? Is she receiving treatment? How the f*** is that a set up then?HYUFD said:This was a set up by a Labour activist, ignore
https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1174314704589807616?s=20
I realise you are an adherent of Boris but surely you must realise that the scenario you have outlined is simply not possible.
Other News at 10.
Seriously mate. Get a grip. This is pathetic.
It is you being pathetic ignoring it
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Since becoming PM Boris has improved his net approval rating with the public from -21% to -16%.kinabalu said:
He is very good in unstructured situations so long as the atmosphere is lighthearted. Clowning around in a fish factory, that sort of thing. Without wanting to get too Carly Simon about it, nobody does it better.Noo said:It does seem to be a bit of a theme, though, member of the public remonstrating with him and him coming across as a bit shifty. Today was a drip, but it's been drip drip drip. Now he's out of the relatively chummy university debating arena that was the leadership contest and into the messy world of public interactions, he's looking increasingly like a second-rater.
The fury of the Boris fans tells you something about their perception of this vulnerability. The freeze frame of the guy's belt ("it's a microphone!") and so on... this looks like damage limitation rather than shrugging off a trifle.
But if the setting is serious and/or hostile he often struggles.
Corbyn on the other hand is still stuck on an abysmal -49%
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"Put the Brexit back in the box"Sunil_Prasannan said:
"They somehow managed to get every Brexiteer and Leaver in the universe onto this one plane. And then somehow managed to let them take it over. And then somehow managed to stick us right smack in the middle."OnlyLivingBoy said:
One of the best bad films ever made.Sunil_Prasannan said:
It was Steve Buscemi in "Con Air" (1997).Drutt said:
I understand about four in five of them and I'm not sure it's to my credit.Benpointer said:
Every time you use a quote Sunil, I never have a fecking clue where it's from or what it's supposed to imply.Sunil_Prasannan said:
"HYUFD's a fountain of misplaced rage. Name your cliché; Mother held him too much or not enough, last picked at kickball, late night sneaky uncle, whatever. Now he's so angry that moments of levity actually cause him pain; give him headaches. Happiness, for that gentleman, hurts."Benpointer said:
Hey, nice new avatar @HYUFD!HYUFD said:
Man with history of Labour activism seeks a political stunt.Gallowgate said:
Man with history of political activism has the confidence to tell public figure their opinion?HYUFD said:
This guy was a Labour activist with an agenda, I notice no other parents of patients bothered to leave their kids bedside to rant with the PMviewcode said:
The reason why "most of them spend their time with their kids not going on ideological rants against the prime minister to push a political agenda just as he happens to be visiting" is because he is not visiting the hospital at the same time as themHYUFD said:
Thousands of parents have kids in hospital everyday, most of them spend their time with their kids not going on ideological rants against the prime minister to push a political agenda just as he happens to be visitingDavidL said:
I honestly find that repugnant. Is the man’s daughter ill? Is she receiving treatment? How the f*** is that a set up then?HYUFD said:This was a set up by a Labour activist, ignore
https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1174314704589807616?s=20
I realise you are an adherent of Boris but surely you must realise that the scenario you have outlined is simply not possible.
Other News at 10.
Seriously mate. Get a grip. This is pathetic.
It is you being pathetic ignoring it
I assume it's an allusion to your party leader's campaigning abilities?1 -
The more I think about it the more furious I am that a Labour activist’s child dared to get a life-threatening condition just before Boris Johnson went looking for photo opportunities in the hospital she ended up in. These people hate Britain.0
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On topic: Some observations on the Boris encounter with the Labour activist father:
1. The guy attacking Boris seemed completely genuine. Labour activist as be might be, this clearly wasn't set up, and he clearly was genuinely angry (though very probably not justifiably so).
2. If it had just been a rant, well, politicians get lots of those (Blair, Brown and Cameron were all ambushed with NHS-related rants). What made this special was the fact that Boris handled it so badly. Firstly he bumbles and mumbles, then he comes out with the utterly bizarre line about no press being present, then, when he's unsurprisingly picked up on that, he bumbles more and then turns to the cameras with his trademark impish grin.
3. Thinking about how a skilled politician such as Blair or Cameron would have handled it, I think the big missing ingredient is that Boris doesn't engage in any way with the ranter. He doesn't ask any questions, he doesn't offer anything, he does nothing to disarm and charm the guy. OK, that's not at all an easy thing to do, but isn't folksy charm supposed to be Boris's strength, the one which will win over Labour-inclined voters?0 -
What about the 300+ Conservative MPs? Were they a disciplined and loyal party they'd have had the numbers to make Leave happen but instead they are more interested in their internal divisions than respecting the result of the referendum.egg said:
Bollocks to democracy.Richard_Tyndall said:
We lack a functioning Government because you Liberal Democrats apparently hate democracy and are running scared of an election.
If anyone has disrespected democracy, it's the Conservative Party which was so principled it declared neutrality in the 2016 Referendum and now lambasts those who took a side and a view. As usual, Conservatives try to play both sides and somehow expect the rest of us to sort out their mess.
The sooner the Party schisms the better for all of us.
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I’m afraid this is just the loony Corbynista left once again trying to discredit Laura Kuenssberg simply because they don’t like her. The idiots have now made this the story.0
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Come on. If it had been the other way round, a Tory activist haranguing Jeremy Corbyn, everyone would have been crowing about it. British politics is totally tribal now, which is not good.Carnyx said:
She put out a tweet which rather abruptly stated the gent was a Labour activist - see here.Gallowgate said:Laura K literally quoted the guy to give coverage of his side of the story. The attacks on her are ridiculous. What is wrong with this country?
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1174318249460281346
and then linked to his twitter account.
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This is where those overeager to prove their loyalty and dedication overstep, and either must roll back when the deity does not go as far, or they themselves are implicitly criticising their great hero who has not engaged in the same response.Noo said:
You're overcommitting to this. Even Boris Johnson's twitter account said he was "glad this gentleman told me his problems". .HYUFD said:
'Largely irrelevant' the political background of this diehard Labour activist was the entire reason this story even emerged in the first place due to his Corbynista rant against the PMFF43 said:
I would say BBC News somewhat deflecting here, which in turn suggests implicit acknowledgement of an issue with Kuenssberg's reporting of the story. The accusation against Kuenssberg isn't malicious intent. The accusation is of poor editorial judgement that allowed a largely irrelevant detail about the parent's political background dominate a story about Johnson's visit to the hospital.Scott_P said:
Other than the press comment being odd there's not actually much in this story - when we hear that there is a story about someone speaking to a politician its not like we expect it to be them saying what a great job that politician is doing.
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His political background informs his biasNoo said:
You're overcommitting to this. Even Boris Johnson's twitter account said he was "glad this gentleman told me his problems". His political background doesn't invalidate his voice. Labour voters' views are just as important as anyone else's.HYUFD said:
'Largely irrelevant' the political background of this diehard Labour activist was the entire reason this story even emerged in the first place due to his Corbynista rant against the PMFF43 said:
I would say BBC News somewhat deflecting here, which in turn suggests implicit acknowledgement of an issue with Kuenssberg's reporting of the story. The accusation against Kuenssberg isn't malicious intent. The accusation is of poor editorial judgement that allowed a largely irrelevant detail about the parent's political background dominate a story about Johnson's visit to the hospital.Scott_P said:0
