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Iran seems to be trying very hard to provoke an American response.DavidL said:
The Saudi performance in Yemen can surely not have the Iranians quaking in their boots. I very much doubt that they could sustain a land war for any length of time let alone take anything like the casualties that both Iran and Iraq did in their war. Of course they may be able to call on the Americans but I think Trump is very wary about committing forces and the sacking of Bolton is hardly likely to make him less so.Y0kel said:Whilst people obsess themselves over Brexit, its going to pale in immediate effect if things kick off in the Persian Gulf.
All the off the record US briefings are that the attack on Saudi oil facilities 'originated from inside Iran' a fantastically vague statement that allows for some room to keep response options from being overt and direct and on a comparative scale.
The US has plenty of options open for all kinds of responses, lethal and non lethal but the people who should be responding with bodies on the line at this point are the Saudis who have less options on a response to what was a nicely grey area/sub threshold attack.
The US DoD has and favours response plans that are very limited designed to cause many small cuts to the Iranians. Others in the administration want to put a lot of metal in the region, if not to use it, to at least cow the Iranians
The Saudi military is equipped well to blow things up but its quasi military/military low exposure response capabilities are very limited indeed. If they do respond militarily then its likely to be a tit for tat playground level pushing match situation and the creeping instability will cause economic uncertainty on a wide scale.
Yet for all his faults Trump has avoided the temptation / trap .... so far.
Corbyn should go back on Press tv - that will tell them..... oh wait - he will blame the Americans.0 -
Has Boris lost the Press? I don't believe in a secret cabal of newspaper owners meeting and plotting, like all conspiracy theories its bollocks.Benpointer said:Telegraph headline: "Luxembourg laughs in Johnson's face"
Er, no they didn't because he was too frightened to show his face.
But, what, specifically, do they have to gain from a No Deal scenario? A possible shambles that they have cheerleaded?0 -
As was Byron, coincidentally.Byronic said:
I am bulimic.TOPPING said:
Male models don't exactly stuff their faces now do they. So that still leaves a knowledge gap.Byronic said:
I am an international male model. My job takes me all over the world to be photographed in glamorous places. I make no bones about this. I am lucky.TOPPING said:
What on earth would you know about eating in varied and exciting places so how could you make a comparison?Byronic said:ON topic. I had maybe the best meal of my year, so far, last night.
Parillan, in Coal Drops Yard, King's Cross. Laaaandan.
https://www.ft.com/content/1b260514-b258-11e9-8cb2-799a3a8cf37b
Sumptuous ingredients. The best of Spanish meet the best of British, over a little brazier. The new King's Cross is amazing.
Tho I would prefer to be a woman.0 -
It was indeed the largest regeneration project in Europe by square footage. As you say, a truly extraordinary transformation.Byronic said:
I know! The transformation is so incredible it is emotionally moving. King's Cross is arguably the greatest example of large scale urban regeneration in the world. right now.dixiedean said:
Kebab Machine was the best restaurant in Kings Cross in the 80s.Byronic said:ON topic. I had maybe the best meal of my year, so far, last night.
Parillan, in Coal Drops Yard, King's Cross. Laaaandan.
https://www.ft.com/content/1b260514-b258-11e9-8cb2-799a3a8cf37b
Sumptuous ingredients. The best of Spanish meet the best of British, over a little brazier. The new King's Cross is amazing.
It is phenomenal, what they have done.0 -
Nowadays the Greeks don't even have a word for democracyFoxy said:
I was having an interesting chat with one of my Greek colleagues. He pointed out that their government went against a decisive referendum within weeks, and no lasting damage to Democracy. He cannot see the problem with reversing referendums.egg said:
Bollocks to Democracy with the libdemsCarnyx said:And relating to discussions yesterday, Ms Swinson explains that the LD policy on Brexit and indyref2 is coherent:
https://twitter.com/STVNews/status/11736539237075476480 -
I'm very sorry to hear that.Byronic said:
I am bulimic.TOPPING said:
Male models don't exactly stuff their faces now do they. So that still leaves a knowledge gap.Byronic said:
I am an international male model. My job takes me all over the world to be photographed in glamorous places. I make no bones about this. I am lucky.TOPPING said:
What on earth would you know about eating in varied and exciting places so how could you make a comparison?Byronic said:ON topic. I had maybe the best meal of my year, so far, last night.
Parillan, in Coal Drops Yard, King's Cross. Laaaandan.
https://www.ft.com/content/1b260514-b258-11e9-8cb2-799a3a8cf37b
Sumptuous ingredients. The best of Spanish meet the best of British, over a little brazier. The new King's Cross is amazing.
Tho I would prefer to be a woman.0 -
TOPPING said:
What on earth would you know about eating in varied and exciting places so how could you make a comparison?Byronic said:ON topic. I had maybe the best meal of my year, so far, last night.
Parillan, in Coal Drops Yard, King's Cross. Laaaandan.
https://www.ft.com/content/1b260514-b258-11e9-8cb2-799a3a8cf37b
Sumptuous ingredients. The best of Spanish meet the best of British, over a little brazier. The new King's Cross is amazing.
Isn’t he a restaurant reviewer?!0 -
You ok hun?TOPPING said:
What on earth would you know about eating in varied and exciting places so how could you make a comparison?Byronic said:ON topic. I had maybe the best meal of my year, so far, last night.
Parillan, in Coal Drops Yard, King's Cross. Laaaandan.
https://www.ft.com/content/1b260514-b258-11e9-8cb2-799a3a8cf37b
Sumptuous ingredients. The best of Spanish meet the best of British, over a little brazier. The new King's Cross is amazing.0 -
Male model.Anabobazina said:TOPPING said:
What on earth would you know about eating in varied and exciting places so how could you make a comparison?Byronic said:ON topic. I had maybe the best meal of my year, so far, last night.
Parillan, in Coal Drops Yard, King's Cross. Laaaandan.
https://www.ft.com/content/1b260514-b258-11e9-8cb2-799a3a8cf37b
Sumptuous ingredients. The best of Spanish meet the best of British, over a little brazier. The new King's Cross is amazing.
Isn’t he a restaurant reviewer?!
A bulimic one. Which I'm sure is quite common in that community.0 -
You can argue that the UK could or should have done more. I won't express a view on that. But the number of other countries that followed suit is heartening. Check them out here:ab195 said:
Nobody (including the U.K.) did anything (public, that we know of anyway) of note after Salisbury. It was a repeat offence and we basically let him get away with it, expelling a few spies.Noo said:
I think it's nonsense to say other countries don't care about us.ab195 said:Noo said:
It might be useful to remember that Putin has cheerfully murdered multiple people in the UK.ab195 said:
Yes, but not here. The point is that if the EU doesn’t want to be an ally then frankly who cares if Putin wants a holiday home in Paris.
Quite. But that’s a reason for us to be on our guard against Russia, not for us to look after other countries which don’t care about us.
The solidarity we got in response to the Salisbury poisonings was excellent. And the international cooperation on the Magnitsky case has been really important.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Sergei_and_Yulia_Skripal#Expulsion_of_diplomats
Of course, you can't expect other countries to have gone further than we did. We set the tone, and we were backed to the hilt by dozens of countries.0 -
The demographics skewed the other way in the 1970s, so you can’t expect the same pattern to repeat itself. Younger people were more likely to vote Leave than those who had direct experience of the wars.ab195 said:
They really don’t. Today’s remainers, following events, become leavers. See the 70s referendum voters....Gallowgate said:
Demographics say otherwise.ab195 said:
Nah, in the long run we’re leaving. Even if you lot win this time we’ll still be out in ten yearsegg said:
Here’s mine. Ronics wrong.Anabobazina said:“That’s my forecast. And, if you don’t like it, I have others.”
Monday 16th September. Boris with 4 days left. The day the leavers lost it.
Dawning with a daily mail editorial written by black shirts, closing with Boris fans closing ranks with some anti EU bluster completely ignoring the stark truth, Boris does not have a plan. He doesn’t have a clue how to bring this mess, a mess with his handiwork all over it as he worked for his own self interest, to a close.
A no deal exit is just more of the same not the end, there will be more discussions with Eu in no deal exit, more chaos trying to get things through commons, just as much division in UK between those pushing global Britain and those EU membership (who will win in the end through weight of numbers) all the while UK goes to rats through this fixation and taking eye off everything else.
Only leavers have the power to stop all this. They need to let go of the 2016 result and submit to a ref more clear and definitive.
Edit - Oh plus a chunk of current remainers are scared, not europhiles.0 -
We British beat ourselves up, perhaps too much, but King's Cross really is something to be proud of. Everyone involved should get knighthoods, damehoods and dukedoms. It is magnificently well achieved. They aced almost everything.Anabobazina said:
It was indeed the largest regeneration project in Europe by square footage. As you say, a truly extraordinary transformation.Byronic said:
I know! The transformation is so incredible it is emotionally moving. King's Cross is arguably the greatest example of large scale urban regeneration in the world. right now.dixiedean said:
Kebab Machine was the best restaurant in Kings Cross in the 80s.Byronic said:ON topic. I had maybe the best meal of my year, so far, last night.
Parillan, in Coal Drops Yard, King's Cross. Laaaandan.
https://www.ft.com/content/1b260514-b258-11e9-8cb2-799a3a8cf37b
Sumptuous ingredients. The best of Spanish meet the best of British, over a little brazier. The new King's Cross is amazing.
It is phenomenal, what they have done.
My only cavil is that parts of it are still isolated. The glorious Coal Drops Yard needs more bridges to connect it - over canals and rails - to the rest of London.
But on a summer's evening in Granary Square, when kids are playing in the arty fountains and languid youths drape themselves on the steps down to the Regent's Canal, this really does feel like the best of all possible cities in the best of all possible worlds.... and thirty years ago it was a scary and derelict wasteland?!
Bravo.0 -
As a resident of Lincolnshire for the past 21 years and a resident of Lincoln itself for the past 19 years (also a Lib Dem member and Remainer) I find your comment pretty offensive towards the people of my adoptive county.Noo said:
It's just a friendly contraction of Lincolnshirites, which is clumsy to say. Would you prefer Lincolnshi'ites?Byronic said:
"Lincolnshites." Look at yourself. Twat.Noo said:
I've got news for you. England isn't the only country that's different. They are all different from each other.Byronic said:
A total failure to understand England. We are different from them, for good or bad. Hence Brexit.williamglenn said:
I’m English too, and England is a European country. Once we’ve shed the imperial baggage of the UK state, that will become the consensus view.ab195 said:
Another imperialist remainer. I’m English. It’s up to the Scots whether they want to be in a Union with us. I’d like them to stay but it’s up to them. Why have an unhappy Union?williamglenn said:
“The Europeans” apparently being a catch-all term that includes UK Remainers. You are simply destroying the UK, not the Western alliance.ab195 said:
Quite. F##k ‘em. The EU and it’s Remain chums don’t know what feelings they are stirring. The chance of compromise is slipping away. I can’t be the only one now wondering why we bother to help the US underwrite NATO. The Europeans apparently don’t want to be allies.RobD said:
And people want to stay in this club?surbiton19 said:
We’ll have left the EU by 2030, but doing so didn’t have to to crack the Western alliance. I now fear it will.
Then again, Londoners are different from Lincolnshites too. Not sure where this gets us.0 -
The headlines are indeed not good for Boris. Even the Daily Borisgraph is leading with "Luxembourg laughs in Johnson's face", while Metro and i, which are probably the nearest we have to non-aligned, go with "It all ends in jeers" and "Johnson hounded out of EU talks".TOPPING said:
Frit. Will be the headlines.MarqueeMark said:
It was a set-up. But Boris DIDN'T fall for it. Luxembourg PM had a temper tantrum as a result.Peter_the_Punter said:
If it was a set-up, Boris fell for it. Not a good look in a PM.SirNorfolkPassmore said:Let's face it - our PM has been humiliated by the leader of Luxembourg. Luxembourg! Who's he going to duck a confrontation with next? The Faroe Islands? San Marino?
No doubt the usual suspects will praise to the heavens the sagacity of the Dear Leader in sidestepping a potentially tricky showdown with Andorra's deputy transport minister.
https://twitter.com/search?q=#tomorrowspaperstoday&src=typed_query&f=live
Still, semper fidelis for the Express.0 -
I drunkenly got off with a lass, and took her to Kebab Machine in 1989. It was our first meal and "date". We are still married. Doubt I could have stretched to Parillan.Byronic said:
I know! The transformation is so incredible it is emotionally moving. King's Cross is arguably the greatest example of large scale urban regeneration in the world. right now.dixiedean said:
Kebab Machine was the best restaurant in Kings Cross in the 80s.Byronic said:ON topic. I had maybe the best meal of my year, so far, last night.
Parillan, in Coal Drops Yard, King's Cross. Laaaandan.
https://www.ft.com/content/1b260514-b258-11e9-8cb2-799a3a8cf37b
Sumptuous ingredients. The best of Spanish meet the best of British, over a little brazier. The new King's Cross is amazing.
It is phenomenal, what they have done.1 -
Isn't it Byronic... don't you think?Byronic said:
As was Byron, coincidentally.Byronic said:
I am bulimic.TOPPING said:
Male models don't exactly stuff their faces now do they. So that still leaves a knowledge gap.Byronic said:
I am an international male model. My job takes me all over the world to be photographed in glamorous places. I make no bones about this. I am lucky.TOPPING said:
What on earth would you know about eating in varied and exciting places so how could you make a comparison?Byronic said:ON topic. I had maybe the best meal of my year, so far, last night.
Parillan, in Coal Drops Yard, King's Cross. Laaaandan.
https://www.ft.com/content/1b260514-b258-11e9-8cb2-799a3a8cf37b
Sumptuous ingredients. The best of Spanish meet the best of British, over a little brazier. The new King's Cross is amazing.
Tho I would prefer to be a woman.0 -
"...if right, to be kept right;Noo said:
"My country right or wrong"Gallowgate said:
This is not a football match. There is no requirement to unconditionally support our Prime Minister because he happens to be ‘British’.dyedwoolie said:
Didn't know Soubry was from LuxembourgScott_P said:
if wrong, to be put right."0 -
It’s been a pretty bad day press wise for the Lib Dems given the tone of the coverage .
They have had lots of coverage , so their revoke message will certainly have been out there but I do feel the ones celebrating tonight will be Labour .
Whatever their fudge is it certainly seems a lot less polarizing than the Lib Dems .
Labour can run on a compromise position , call out the Lib Dems for an extreme position and still appeal to Remainers who want another vote but are wary of revoke .
Perhaps I’ve got this wrong , perhaps the country is so polarized that these extreme positions are the way to go .
But a referendum can’t be overturned by an election IMO .
Elections have other issues , the UK system means you can win with easily 35% of the vote.
On such a huge issue like the EU but any issue that’s gone to a referendum it’s just not democratic to change that without that second vote .
Don’t get me wrong I generally like the Lib Dems but on this I think they’ve made a mistake .1 -
You mean you can read minds??Byronic said:
I am bulimic.TOPPING said:
Male models don't exactly stuff their faces now do they. So that still leaves a knowledge gap.Byronic said:
I am an international male model. My job takes me all over the world to be photographed in glamorous places. I make no bones about this. I am lucky.TOPPING said:
What on earth would you know about eating in varied and exciting places so how could you make a comparison?Byronic said:ON topic. I had maybe the best meal of my year, so far, last night.
Parillan, in Coal Drops Yard, King's Cross. Laaaandan.
https://www.ft.com/content/1b260514-b258-11e9-8cb2-799a3a8cf37b
Sumptuous ingredients. The best of Spanish meet the best of British, over a little brazier. The new King's Cross is amazing.
Tho I would prefer to be a woman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG6Jg17Ouus0 -
Parillan isn't THAT expensive. You could have a very nice dinner for 2 for £100, including a few glasses of excellent wine.dixiedean said:
I drunkenly got off with a lass, and took her to Kebab Machine in 1989. It was our first meal and "date". We are still married. Doubt I could have stretched to Parillan.Byronic said:
I know! The transformation is so incredible it is emotionally moving. King's Cross is arguably the greatest example of large scale urban regeneration in the world. right now.dixiedean said:
Kebab Machine was the best restaurant in Kings Cross in the 80s.Byronic said:ON topic. I had maybe the best meal of my year, so far, last night.
Parillan, in Coal Drops Yard, King's Cross. Laaaandan.
https://www.ft.com/content/1b260514-b258-11e9-8cb2-799a3a8cf37b
Sumptuous ingredients. The best of Spanish meet the best of British, over a little brazier. The new King's Cross is amazing.
It is phenomenal, what they have done.0 -
Aaaaand, I don't care.Torby_Fennel said:
As a resident of Lincolnshire for the past 21 years and a resident of Lincoln itself for the past 19 years (also a Lib Dem member and Remainer) I find your comment pretty offensive towards the people of my adoptive county.Noo said:
It's just a friendly contraction of Lincolnshirites, which is clumsy to say. Would you prefer Lincolnshi'ites?Byronic said:
"Lincolnshites." Look at yourself. Twat.Noo said:
I've got news for you. England isn't the only country that's different. They are all different from each other.Byronic said:
A total failure to understand England. We are different from them, for good or bad. Hence Brexit.williamglenn said:
I’m English too, and England is a European country. Once we’ve shed the imperial baggage of the UK state, that will become the consensus view.ab195 said:
Another imperialist remainer. I’m English. It’s up to the Scots whether they want to be in a Union with us. I’d like them to stay but it’s up to them. Why have an unhappy Union?williamglenn said:
“The Europeans” apparently being a catch-all term that includes UK Remainers. You are simply destroying the UK, not the Western alliance.ab195 said:
Quite. F##k ‘em. The EU and it’s Remain chums don’t know what feelings they are stirring. The chance of compromise is slipping away. I can’t be the only one now wondering why we bother to help the US underwrite NATO. The Europeans apparently don’t want to be allies.RobD said:
And people want to stay in this club?surbiton19 said:
We’ll have left the EU by 2030, but doing so didn’t have to to crack the Western alliance. I now fear it will.
Then again, Londoners are different from Lincolnshites too. Not sure where this gets us.0 -
Anyone else want to look daft by not understanding Diedwoollie's remark?matthiasfromhamburg said:
"...if right, to be kept right;Noo said:
"My country right or wrong"Gallowgate said:
This is not a football match. There is no requirement to unconditionally support our Prime Minister because he happens to be ‘British’.dyedwoolie said:
Didn't know Soubry was from LuxembourgScott_P said:
if wrong, to be put right."0 -
This is obvious. We know already.Noo said:
Aaaaand, I don't care.Torby_Fennel said:
As a resident of Lincolnshire for the past 21 years and a resident of Lincoln itself for the past 19 years (also a Lib Dem member and Remainer) I find your comment pretty offensive towards the people of my adoptive county.Noo said:
It's just a friendly contraction of Lincolnshirites, which is clumsy to say. Would you prefer Lincolnshi'ites?Byronic said:
"Lincolnshites." Look at yourself. Twat.Noo said:
I've got news for you. England isn't the only country that's different. They are all different from each other.Byronic said:
A total failure to understand England. We are different from them, for good or bad. Hence Brexit.williamglenn said:
I’m English too, and England is a European country. Once we’ve shed the imperial baggage of the UK state, that will become the consensus view.ab195 said:
Another imperialist remainer. I’m English. It’s up to the Scots whether they want to be in a Union with us. I’d like them to stay but it’s up to them. Why have an unhappy Union?williamglenn said:
“The Europeans” apparently being a catch-all term that includes UK Remainers. You are simply destroying the UK, not the Western alliance.ab195 said:
Quite. F##k ‘em. The EU and it’s Remain chums don’t know what feelings they are stirring. The chance of compromise is slipping away. I can’t be the only one now wondering why we bother to help the US underwrite NATO. The Europeans apparently don’t want to be allies.RobD said:
And people want to stay in this club?surbiton19 said:
We’ll have left the EU by 2030, but doing so didn’t have to to crack the Western alliance. I now fear it will.
Then again, Londoners are different from Lincolnshites too. Not sure where this gets us.0 -
unconditionally supporting "our PM" wouldn't exactly qualify as putting right.matthiasfromhamburg said:
"...if right, to be kept right;Noo said:
"My country right or wrong"Gallowgate said:
This is not a football match. There is no requirement to unconditionally support our Prime Minister because he happens to be ‘British’.dyedwoolie said:
Didn't know Soubry was from LuxembourgScott_P said:
if wrong, to be put right."0 -
But will you remember any of this in the morning?Byronic said:
This is obvious. We know already.Noo said:
Aaaaand, I don't care.Torby_Fennel said:
As a resident of Lincolnshire for the past 21 years and a resident of Lincoln itself for the past 19 years (also a Lib Dem member and Remainer) I find your comment pretty offensive towards the people of my adoptive county.Noo said:
It's just a friendly contraction of Lincolnshirites, which is clumsy to say. Would you prefer Lincolnshi'ites?Byronic said:
"Lincolnshites." Look at yourself. Twat.Noo said:
I've got news for you. England isn't the only country that's different. They are all different from each other.Byronic said:
A total failure to understand England. We are different from them, for good or bad. Hence Brexit.williamglenn said:
I’m English too, and England is a European country. Once we’ve shed the imperial baggage of the UK state, that will become the consensus view.ab195 said:
Another imperialist remainer. I’m English. It’s up to the Scots whether they want to be in a Union with us. I’d like them to stay but it’s up to them. Why have an unhappy Union?williamglenn said:
“The Europeans” apparently being a catch-all term that includes UK Remainers. You are simply destroying the UK, not the Western alliance.ab195 said:
Quite. F##k ‘em. The EU and it’s Remain chums don’t know what feelings they are stirring. The chance of compromise is slipping away. I can’t be the only one now wondering why we bother to help the US underwrite NATO. The Europeans apparently don’t want to be allies.RobD said:
And people want to stay in this club?surbiton19 said:
We’ll have left the EU by 2030, but doing so didn’t have to to crack the Western alliance. I now fear it will.
Then again, Londoners are different from Lincolnshites too. Not sure where this gets us.0 -
I'm not *presuming* Remain would win a referendum - of course Leave could win - but I think it's favoured against any specific Leave (Tmay's WA, No Deal, whatever Corbyn would come up with) which is what it would likely be up against. This is a combination of:Byronic said:
A sizeable part of me hopes you are right, and we get to Remain, so as to really fuck off the Europeans. But.... I don't buy it. All those options have so many IFs.
For a start, there is a massive presumption that a new Referendum produces Remain. It's seems significantly more likely, to me, that a 2nd ref would enrage the patriotic public, who would then vote Leave, again. All prior examples of voters being asked twice, in Britain, point to this.
My best guess is
Deal (perhaps with a v short extension): 45% chance
No Deal: 20% chance
Remain after a ref: 10%
Leave, again, after a ref: 10%
Endless extensions: 10%
Black swan and who the F knows: 5%
Leave is a strong favourite.
* No specific brexit ever had a majority against Remain, they only won by being vague about what's in the box and combining cat lovers with dead cat lovers
* Opinion has shifted somewhat
* Boycott by some (maybe most) leavers
Against that you have previous Remain voters going Leave for process reasons (honour the first referendum etc) or general patriotism (show the world we can do this if we set out minds to it) but I think they'd be squeezed in the tribal pitched battle that would be the campaign.0 -
The metropolitan elite.Byronic said:
Parillan isn't THAT expensive. You could have a very nice dinner for 2 for £100, including a few glasses of excellent wine.dixiedean said:
I drunkenly got off with a lass, and took her to Kebab Machine in 1989. It was our first meal and "date". We are still married. Doubt I could have stretched to Parillan.Byronic said:
I know! The transformation is so incredible it is emotionally moving. King's Cross is arguably the greatest example of large scale urban regeneration in the world. right now.dixiedean said:
Kebab Machine was the best restaurant in Kings Cross in the 80s.Byronic said:ON topic. I had maybe the best meal of my year, so far, last night.
Parillan, in Coal Drops Yard, King's Cross. Laaaandan.
https://www.ft.com/content/1b260514-b258-11e9-8cb2-799a3a8cf37b
Sumptuous ingredients. The best of Spanish meet the best of British, over a little brazier. The new King's Cross is amazing.
It is phenomenal, what they have done.
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It would be quite remarkable, though in keeping with the lunacy of the past several years, if we were to end up with a "Vote Corbyn for a sensible centrist compromise."nico67 said:It’s been a pretty bad day press wise for the Lib Dems given the tone of the coverage .
They have had lots of coverage , so their revoke message will certainly have been out there but I do feel the ones celebrating tonight will be Labour .
Whatever their fudge is it certainly seems a lot less polarizing than the Lib Dems .
Labour can run on a compromise position , call out the Lib Dems for an extreme position and still appeal to Remainers who want another vote but are wary of revoke .
Perhaps I’ve got this wrong , perhaps the country is so polarized that these extreme positions are the way to go .
But a referendum can’t be overturned by an election IMO .
Elections have other issues , the UK system means you can win with easily 35% of the vote.
On such a huge issue like the EU but any issue that’s gone to a referendum it’s just not democratic to change that without that second vote .
Don’t get me wrong I generally like the Lib Dems but on this I think they’ve made a mistake .0 -
More stories like this. Pretty much all the couples I know who met by old-school rando methods are still together, and I don't think this is just survivor bias.dixiedean said:
I drunkenly got off with a lass, and took her to Kebab Machine in 1989. It was our first meal and "date". We are still married. Doubt I could have stretched to Parillan.Byronic said:
I know! The transformation is so incredible it is emotionally moving. King's Cross is arguably the greatest example of large scale urban regeneration in the world. right now.dixiedean said:
Kebab Machine was the best restaurant in Kings Cross in the 80s.Byronic said:ON topic. I had maybe the best meal of my year, so far, last night.
Parillan, in Coal Drops Yard, King's Cross. Laaaandan.
https://www.ft.com/content/1b260514-b258-11e9-8cb2-799a3a8cf37b
Sumptuous ingredients. The best of Spanish meet the best of British, over a little brazier. The new King's Cross is amazing.
It is phenomenal, what they have done.0 -
It’ll be other stuff this time round that alienates people. Less the sovereignty or immigration, more the corporatism and narrow mindedness.williamglenn said:
The demographics skewed the other way in the 1970s, so you can’t expect the same pattern to repeat itself. Younger people were more likely to vote Leave than those who had direct experience of the wars.ab195 said:
They really don’t. Today’s remainers, following events, become leavers. See the 70s referendum voters....Gallowgate said:
Demographics say otherwise.ab195 said:
Nah, in the long run we’re leaving. Even if you lot win this time we’ll still be out in ten yearsegg said:
Here’s mine. Ronics wrong.Anabobazina said:“That’s my forecast. And, if you don’t like it, I have others.”
Monday 16th September. Boris with 4 days left. The day the leavers lost it.
Dawning with a daily mail editorial written by black shirts, closing with Boris fans closing ranks with some anti EU bluster completely ignoring the stark truth, Boris does not have a plan. He doesn’t have a clue how to bring this mess, a mess with his handiwork all over it as he worked for his own self interest, to a close.
A no deal exit is just more of the same not the end, there will be more discussions with Eu in no deal exit, more chaos trying to get things through commons, just as much division in UK between those pushing global Britain and those EU membership (who will win in the end through weight of numbers) all the while UK goes to rats through this fixation and taking eye off everything else.
Only leavers have the power to stop all this. They need to let go of the 2016 result and submit to a ref more clear and definitive.
Edit - Oh plus a chunk of current remainers are scared, not europhiles.
The EU will ban Spotify and outlaw the development of third party apps. Or it’ll ban tofu. It’ll do something, it always does. It’s the trouble with not answering to voters. You gain a tin ear.0 -
I'm curious. Because, yes, I AM clearly part of a metropolitan elite. I live in London, I have a large income. I travel a lot. I am lucky. Yes. So I thought a bit before I wrote that sentence.dixiedean said:
The metropolitan elite.Byronic said:
Parillan isn't THAT expensive. You could have a very nice dinner for 2 for £100, including a few glasses of excellent wine.dixiedean said:
I drunkenly got off with a lass, and took her to Kebab Machine in 1989. It was our first meal and "date". We are still married. Doubt I could have stretched to Parillan.Byronic said:
I know! The transformation is so incredible it is emotionally moving. King's Cross is arguably the greatest example of large scale urban regeneration in the world. right now.dixiedean said:
Kebab Machine was the best restaurant in Kings Cross in the 80s.Byronic said:ON topic. I had maybe the best meal of my year, so far, last night.
Parillan, in Coal Drops Yard, King's Cross. Laaaandan.
https://www.ft.com/content/1b260514-b258-11e9-8cb2-799a3a8cf37b
Sumptuous ingredients. The best of Spanish meet the best of British, over a little brazier. The new King's Cross is amazing.
It is phenomenal, what they have done.
So... is a dinner for two for £100 that outrageous? The average monthly wage in the UK is about £3000. Therefore one blowout night, for a £100 dinner, doesn't seem particularly decadent. Or am I in a bubble?0 -
You could have got a bargain bucket at Boris Fried Chicken for a TennerByronic said:
I'm curious. Because, yes, I AM clearly part of a metropolitan elite. I live in London, I have a large income. I travel a lot. I am lucky. Yes. So I thought a bit before I wrote that sentence.dixiedean said:
The metropolitan elite.Byronic said:
Parillan isn't THAT expensive. You could have a very nice dinner for 2 for £100, including a few glasses of excellent wine.dixiedean said:
I drunkenly got off with a lass, and took her to Kebab Machine in 1989. It was our first meal and "date". We are still married. Doubt I could have stretched to Parillan.Byronic said:
I know! The transformation is so incredible it is emotionally moving. King's Cross is arguably the greatest example of large scale urban regeneration in the world. right now.dixiedean said:
Kebab Machine was the best restaurant in Kings Cross in the 80s.Byronic said:ON topic. I had maybe the best meal of my year, so far, last night.
Parillan, in Coal Drops Yard, King's Cross. Laaaandan.
https://www.ft.com/content/1b260514-b258-11e9-8cb2-799a3a8cf37b
Sumptuous ingredients. The best of Spanish meet the best of British, over a little brazier. The new King's Cross is amazing.
It is phenomenal, what they have done.
So... is a dinner for two for £100 that outrageous? The average monthly wage in the UK is about £3000. Therefore one blowout night, for a £100 dinner, doesn't seem particularly decadent. Or am I in a bubble?
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I worked - very briefly - on York Way, twenty years ago. King’s Cross was a cruel place then, harrowing and dismal. Funnily enough, the area south of the Euston Road, the first bit tourists see, is still a little sketchy (I walked past a group smoking crack there the other day). But behind the station is a triumph.Byronic said:
We British beat ourselves up, perhaps too much, but King's Cross really is something to be proud of. Everyone involved should get knighthoods, damehoods and dukedoms. It is magnificently well achieved. They aced almost everything.Anabobazina said:
It was indeed the largest regeneration project in Europe by square footage. As you say, a truly extraordinary transformation.Byronic said:
I know! The transformation is so incredible it is emotionally moving. King's Cross is arguably the greatest example of large scale urban regeneration in the world. right now.dixiedean said:
Kebab Machine was the best restaurant in Kings Cross in the 80s.Byronic said:ON topic. I had maybe the best meal of my year, so far, last night.
Parillan, in Coal Drops Yard, King's Cross. Laaaandan.
https://www.ft.com/content/1b260514-b258-11e9-8cb2-799a3a8cf37b
Sumptuous ingredients. The best of Spanish meet the best of British, over a little brazier. The new King's Cross is amazing.
It is phenomenal, what they have done.
My only cavil is that parts of it are still isolated. The glorious Coal Drops Yard needs more bridges to connect it - over canals and rails - to the rest of London.
But on a summer's evening in Granary Square, when kids are playing in the arty fountains and languid youths drape themselves on the steps down to the Regent's Canal, this really does feel like the best of all possible cities in the best of all possible worlds.... and thirty years ago it was a scary and derelict wasteland?!
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Here is the Parillan menu. Given the remarkable locale, and the super-fine quality of the food, it looks incredibly good value to me. Starters around £5-£10, mains around £12. Not much more than Pizza Express.
https://www.parrillan.co.uk/propeller/uploads/2019/05/Food-Menu-31.05.19.pdf
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The Gilbert Scott is fun if you like ornate dining rooms and want to avoid any risk of roughing it up there.dixiedean said:
The metropolitan elite.Byronic said:
Parillan isn't THAT expensive. You could have a very nice dinner for 2 for £100, including a few glasses of excellent wine.dixiedean said:
I drunkenly got off with a lass, and took her to Kebab Machine in 1989. It was our first meal and "date". We are still married. Doubt I could have stretched to Parillan.Byronic said:
I know! The transformation is so incredible it is emotionally moving. King's Cross is arguably the greatest example of large scale urban regeneration in the world. right now.dixiedean said:
Kebab Machine was the best restaurant in Kings Cross in the 80s.Byronic said:ON topic. I had maybe the best meal of my year, so far, last night.
Parillan, in Coal Drops Yard, King's Cross. Laaaandan.
https://www.ft.com/content/1b260514-b258-11e9-8cb2-799a3a8cf37b
Sumptuous ingredients. The best of Spanish meet the best of British, over a little brazier. The new King's Cross is amazing.
It is phenomenal, what they have done.0 -
So leavers have gone from 'Global Britain', to advocating isolationism, caring nothing of what other countries think of us, want to quit NATO, and care nothing about the survival of the Union. Given this, I don't think any PB leaver should ever again claim that leaving the EU is internationalist.0
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That’s very funny , Corbyn looking like the sensible middle ground option .dixiedean said:
It would be quite remarkable, though in keeping with the lunacy of the past several years, if we were to end up with a "Vote Corbyn for a sensible centrist compromise."nico67 said:It’s been a pretty bad day press wise for the Lib Dems given the tone of the coverage .
They have had lots of coverage , so their revoke message will certainly have been out there but I do feel the ones celebrating tonight will be Labour .
Whatever their fudge is it certainly seems a lot less polarizing than the Lib Dems .
Labour can run on a compromise position , call out the Lib Dems for an extreme position and still appeal to Remainers who want another vote but are wary of revoke .
Perhaps I’ve got this wrong , perhaps the country is so polarized that these extreme positions are the way to go .
But a referendum can’t be overturned by an election IMO .
Elections have other issues , the UK system means you can win with easily 35% of the vote.
On such a huge issue like the EU but any issue that’s gone to a referendum it’s just not democratic to change that without that second vote .
Don’t get me wrong I generally like the Lib Dems but on this I think they’ve made a mistake .
What would actually help the Lib Dems is if the Tories ran on a no deal Brexit . You’d then have two extreme positions .
As a Remainer who doesn’t want to revoke but have a second vote , I’d fear no deal more than revoke . Of course this is conjecture , the Lib Dems aren’t going to win a majority .
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Good Heavens!Noo said:
unconditionally supporting "our PM" wouldn't exactly qualify as putting right.matthiasfromhamburg said:
"...if right, to be kept right;Noo said:
"My country right or wrong"Gallowgate said:
This is not a football match. There is no requirement to unconditionally support our Prime Minister because he happens to be ‘British’.dyedwoolie said:
Didn't know Soubry was from LuxembourgScott_P said:
if wrong, to be put right."
In absolutely no way was my comment intended to suggest that support - unconditional or otherwise - of the Hulksters current policies were a step towards either keeping or putting your country right, far from it.0 -
If you scroll down (or up if you are weird), you will see I added a smiley face to that comment. So. I obviously was wary of antagonising. But £3000 a month in the North East, is far from average. Far, far from that. And £100 for two is a serious spend.Byronic said:
I'm curious. Because, yes, I AM clearly part of a metropolitan elite. I live in London, I have a large income. I travel a lot. I am lucky. Yes. So I thought a bit before I wrote that sentence.dixiedean said:
The metropolitan elite.Byronic said:
Parillan isn't THAT expensive. You could have a very nice dinner for 2 for £100, including a few glasses of excellent wine.dixiedean said:
I drunkenly got off with a lass, and took her to Kebab Machine in 1989. It was our first meal and "date". We are still married. Doubt I could have stretched to Parillan.Byronic said:
I know! The transformation is so incredible it is emotionally moving. King's Cross is arguably the greatest example of large scale urban regeneration in the world. right now.dixiedean said:
Kebab Machine was the best restaurant in Kings Cross in the 80s.Byronic said:ON topic. I had maybe the best meal of my year, so far, last night.
Parillan, in Coal Drops Yard, King's Cross. Laaaandan.
https://www.ft.com/content/1b260514-b258-11e9-8cb2-799a3a8cf37b
Sumptuous ingredients. The best of Spanish meet the best of British, over a little brazier. The new King's Cross is amazing.
It is phenomenal, what they have done.
So... is a dinner for two for £100 that outrageous? The average monthly wage in the UK is about £3000. Therefore one blowout night, for a £100 dinner, doesn't seem particularly decadent. Or am I in a bubble?
So, yes we live in bubbles. Equally. At least we are communicating beyond our circle. Which is why I like PB.0 -
It seems very reasonable to me. I’ll check it out. Thanks for the reco.Byronic said:
I'm curious. Because, yes, I AM clearly part of a metropolitan elite. I live in London, I have a large income. I travel a lot. I am lucky. Yes. So I thought a bit before I wrote that sentence.dixiedean said:
The metropolitan elite.Byronic said:
Parillan isn't THAT expensive. You could have a very nice dinner for 2 for £100, including a few glasses of excellent wine.dixiedean said:
I drunkenly got off with a lass, and took her to Kebab Machine in 1989. It was our first meal and "date". We are still married. Doubt I could have stretched to Parillan.Byronic said:
I know! The transformation is so incredible it is emotionally moving. King's Cross is arguably the greatest example of large scale urban regeneration in the world. right now.dixiedean said:
Kebab Machine was the best restaurant in Kings Cross in the 80s.Byronic said:ON topic. I had maybe the best meal of my year, so far, last night.
Parillan, in Coal Drops Yard, King's Cross. Laaaandan.
https://www.ft.com/content/1b260514-b258-11e9-8cb2-799a3a8cf37b
Sumptuous ingredients. The best of Spanish meet the best of British, over a little brazier. The new King's Cross is amazing.
It is phenomenal, what they have done.
So... is a dinner for two for £100 that outrageous? The average monthly wage in the UK is about £3000. Therefore one blowout night, for a £100 dinner, doesn't seem particularly decadent. Or am I in a bubble?0 -
So. You're a bulimic crossdressing transsexual international male model based in Richmond with a wide gastronomic palate who travels widely and frequently posts whilst drunk on a site devoted to political betting.Byronic said:
I am bulimic.TOPPING said:
Male models don't exactly stuff their faces now do they. So that still leaves a knowledge gap.Byronic said:
I am an international male model. My job takes me all over the world to be photographed in glamorous places. I make no bones about this. I am lucky.TOPPING said:
What on earth would you know about eating in varied and exciting places so how could you make a comparison?Byronic said:ON topic. I had maybe the best meal of my year, so far, last night.
Parillan, in Coal Drops Yard, King's Cross. Laaaandan.
https://www.ft.com/content/1b260514-b258-11e9-8cb2-799a3a8cf37b
Sumptuous ingredients. The best of Spanish meet the best of British, over a little brazier. The new King's Cross is amazing.
Tho I would prefer to be a woman.
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Nope. I got nothing... 0 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34s66__CI8gviewcode said:
So. You're a bulimic crossdressing transsexual international male model based in Richmond with a wide gastronomic palate who travels widely and frequently posts whilst drunk on a site devoted to political betting.Byronic said:
I am bulimic.TOPPING said:
Male models don't exactly stuff their faces now do they. So that still leaves a knowledge gap.Byronic said:
I am an international male model. My job takes me all over the world to be photographed in glamorous places. I make no bones about this. I am lucky.TOPPING said:
What on earth would you know about eating in varied and exciting places so how could you make a comparison?Byronic said:ON topic. I had maybe the best meal of my year, so far, last night.
Parillan, in Coal Drops Yard, King's Cross. Laaaandan.
https://www.ft.com/content/1b260514-b258-11e9-8cb2-799a3a8cf37b
Sumptuous ingredients. The best of Spanish meet the best of British, over a little brazier. The new King's Cross is amazing.
Tho I would prefer to be a woman.
Pause.
Nope. I got nothing...0 -
My in-laws and lots of my friends live in Newcastle. It’s not vastly cheaper for a night out than London, in my experience.dixiedean said:
If you scroll down (or up if you are weird), you will see I added a smiley face to that comment. So. I obviously was wary of antagonising. But £3000 a month in the North East, is far from average. Far, far from that. And £100 for two is a serious spend.Byronic said:
I'm curious. Because, yes, I AM clearly part of a metropolitan elite. I live in London, I have a large income. I travel a lot. I am lucky. Yes. So I thought a bit before I wrote that sentence.dixiedean said:
The metropolitan elite.Byronic said:
Parillan isn't THAT expensive. You could have a very nice dinner for 2 for £100, including a few glasses of excellent wine.dixiedean said:
I drunkenly got off with a lass, and took her to Kebab Machine in 1989. It was our first meal and "date". We are still married. Doubt I could have stretched to Parillan.Byronic said:
I know! The transformation is so incredible it is emotionally moving. King's Cross is arguably the greatest example of large scale urban regeneration in the world. right now.dixiedean said:
Kebab Machine was the best restaurant in Kings Cross in the 80s.Byronic said:ON topic. I had maybe the best meal of my year, so far, last night.
Parillan, in Coal Drops Yard, King's Cross. Laaaandan.
https://www.ft.com/content/1b260514-b258-11e9-8cb2-799a3a8cf37b
Sumptuous ingredients. The best of Spanish meet the best of British, over a little brazier. The new King's Cross is amazing.
It is phenomenal, what they have done.
So... is a dinner for two for £100 that outrageous? The average monthly wage in the UK is about £3000. Therefore one blowout night, for a £100 dinner, doesn't seem particularly decadent. Or am I in a bubble?
So, yes we live in bubbles. Equally. At least we are communicating beyond our circle. Which is why I like PB.0 -
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It's been a long time since I got pissed oop North or dahn Sarf, but I do seem to recall that alcohol is far more expensive in London than the North EastAnabobazina said:
My in-laws and lots of my friends live in Newcastle. It’s not vastly cheaper for a night out than London, in my experience.dixiedean said:
If you scroll down (or up if you are weird), you will see I added a smiley face to that comment. So. I obviously was wary of antagonising. But £3000 a month in the North East, is far from average. Far, far from that. And £100 for two is a serious spend.Byronic said:
I'm curious. Because, yes, I AM clearly part of a metropolitan elite. I live in London, I have a large income. I travel a lot. I am lucky. Yes. So I thought a bit before I wrote that sentence.dixiedean said:
The metropolitan elite.Byronic said:
Parillan isn't THAT expensive. You could have a very nice dinner for 2 for £100, including a few glasses of excellent wine.dixiedean said:
I drunkenly got off with a lass, and took her to Kebab Machine in 1989. It was our first meal and "date". We are still married. Doubt I could have stretched to Parillan.Byronic said:
I know! The transformation is so incredible it is emotionally moving. King's Cross is arguably the greatest example of large scale urban regeneration in the world. right now.dixiedean said:
Kebab Machine was the best restaurant in Kings Cross in the 80s.Byronic said:ON topic. I had maybe the best meal of my year, so far, last night.
Parillan, in Coal Drops Yard, King's Cross. Laaaandan.
https://www.ft.com/content/1b260514-b258-11e9-8cb2-799a3a8cf37b
Sumptuous ingredients. The best of Spanish meet the best of British, over a little brazier. The new King's Cross is amazing.
It is phenomenal, what they have done.
So... is a dinner for two for £100 that outrageous? The average monthly wage in the UK is about £3000. Therefore one blowout night, for a £100 dinner, doesn't seem particularly decadent. Or am I in a bubble?
So, yes we live in bubbles. Equally. At least we are communicating beyond our circle. Which is why I like PB.0 -
Are you sure it’s £3000 a month after tax. That sounds like an awful lot of moneyByronic said:
I'm curious. Because, yes, I AM clearly part of a metropolitan elite. I live in London, I have a large income. I travel a lot. I am lucky. Yes. So I thought a bit before I wrote that sentence.dixiedean said:
The metropolitan elite.Byronic said:
Parillan isn't THAT expensive. You could have a very nice dinner for 2 for £100, including a few glasses of excellent wine.dixiedean said:
I drunkenly got off with a lass, and took her to Kebab Machine in 1989. It was our first meal and "date". We are still married. Doubt I could have stretched to Parillan.Byronic said:
I know! The transformation is so incredible it is emotionally moving. King's Cross is arguably the greatest example of large scale urban regeneration in the world. right now.dixiedean said:
Kebab Machine was the best restaurant in Kings Cross in the 80s.Byronic said:ON topic. I had maybe the best meal of my year, so far, last night.
Parillan, in Coal Drops Yard, King's Cross. Laaaandan.
https://www.ft.com/content/1b260514-b258-11e9-8cb2-799a3a8cf37b
Sumptuous ingredients. The best of Spanish meet the best of British, over a little brazier. The new King's Cross is amazing.
It is phenomenal, what they have done.
So... is a dinner for two for £100 that outrageous? The average monthly wage in the UK is about £3000. Therefore one blowout night, for a £100 dinner, doesn't seem particularly decadent. Or am I in a bubble?0 -
(I can't see it Sunil: I'm on the tablet on the train. Will watch it later)Sunil_Prasannan said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34s66__CI8gviewcode said:
So. You're a bulimic crossdressing transsexual international male model based in Richmond with a wide gastronomic palate who travels widely and frequently posts whilst drunk on a site devoted to political betting.Byronic said:
I am bulimic.TOPPING said:
Male models don't exactly stuff their faces now do they. So that still leaves a knowledge gap.Byronic said:
I am an international male model. My job takes me all over the world to be photographed in glamorous places. I make no bones about this. I am lucky.TOPPING said:
What on earth would you know about eating in varied and exciting places so how could you make a comparison?Byronic said:ON topic. I had maybe the best meal of my year, so far, last night.
Parillan, in Coal Drops Yard, King's Cross. Laaaandan.
https://www.ft.com/content/1b260514-b258-11e9-8cb2-799a3a8cf37b
Sumptuous ingredients. The best of Spanish meet the best of British, over a little brazier. The new King's Cross is amazing.
Tho I would prefer to be a woman.
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Nope. I got nothing...0 -
Am talking re Northeast, not Newcatle per se.Anabobazina said:
My in-laws and lots of my friends live in Newcastle. It’s not vastly cheaper for a night out than London, in my experience.dixiedean said:
If you scroll down (or up if you are weird), you will see I added a smiley face to that comment. So. I obviously was wary of antagonising. But £3000 a month in the North East, is far from average. Far, far from that. And £100 for two is a serious spend.Byronic said:
I'm curious. Because, yes, I AM clearly part of a metropolitan elite. I live in London, I have a large income. I travel a lot. I am lucky. Yes. So I thought a bit before I wrote that sentence.dixiedean said:
The metropolitan elite.Byronic said:
Parillan isn't THAT expensive. You could have a very nice dinner for 2 for £100, including a few glasses of excellent wine.dixiedean said:
I drunkenly got off with a lass, and took her to Kebab Machine in 1989. It was our first meal and "date". We are still married. Doubt I could have stretched to Parillan.Byronic said:
I know! The transformation is so incredible it is emotionally moving. King's Cross is arguably the greatest example of large scale urban regeneration in the world. right now.dixiedean said:
Kebab Machine was the best restaurant in Kings Cross in the 80s.Byronic said:ON topic. I had maybe the best meal of my year, so far, last night.
Parillan, in Coal Drops Yard, King's Cross. Laaaandan.
https://www.ft.com/content/1b260514-b258-11e9-8cb2-799a3a8cf37b
Sumptuous ingredients. The best of Spanish meet the best of British, over a little brazier. The new King's Cross is amazing.
It is phenomenal, what they have done.
So... is a dinner for two for £100 that outrageous? The average monthly wage in the UK is about £3000. Therefore one blowout night, for a £100 dinner, doesn't seem particularly decadent. Or am I in a bubble?
So, yes we live in bubbles. Equally. At least we are communicating beyond our circle. Which is why I like PB.0 -
Central Newcastle isn’t that much different from London in my experience. Especially if the drinks aren’t bitter / lager.viewcode said:
It's been a long time since I got pissed oop North or dahn Sarf, but I do seem to recall that alcohol is far more expensive in London than the North EastAnabobazina said:
My in-laws and lots of my friends live in Newcastle. It’s not vastly cheaper for a night out than London, in my experience.dixiedean said:
If you scroll down (or up if you are weird), you will see I added a smiley face to that comment. So. I obviously was wary of antagonising. But £3000 a month in the North East, is far from average. Far, far from that. And £100 for two is a serious spend.Byronic said:
I'm curious. Because, yes, I AM clearly part of a metropolitan elite. I live in London, I have a large income. I travel a lot. I am lucky. Yes. So I thought a bit before I wrote that sentence.dixiedean said:
The metropolitan elite.Byronic said:
Parillan isn't THAT expensive. You could have a very nice dinner for 2 for £100, including a few glasses of excellent wine.dixiedean said:
I drunkenly got off with a lass, and took her to Kebab Machine in 1989. It was our first meal and "date". We are still married. Doubt I could have stretched to Parillan.Byronic said:
I know! The transformation is so incredible it is emotionally moving. King's Cross is arguably the greatest example of large scale urban regeneration in the world. right now.dixiedean said:
Kebab Machine was the best restaurant in Kings Cross in the 80s.Byronic said:ON topic. I had maybe the best meal of my year, so far, last night.
Parillan, in Coal Drops Yard, King's Cross. Laaaandan.
https://www.ft.com/content/1b260514-b258-11e9-8cb2-799a3a8cf37b
Sumptuous ingredients. The best of Spanish meet the best of British, over a little brazier. The new King's Cross is amazing.
It is phenomenal, what they have done.
So... is a dinner for two for £100 that outrageous? The average monthly wage in the UK is about £3000. Therefore one blowout night, for a £100 dinner, doesn't seem particularly decadent. Or am I in a bubble?
So, yes we live in bubbles. Equally. At least we are communicating beyond our circle. Which is why I like PB.0 -
It's a clip from a relevant movieviewcode said:
(I can't see it Sunil: I'm on the tablet on the train. Will watch it later)Sunil_Prasannan said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34s66__CI8gviewcode said:
So. You're a bulimic crossdressing transsexual international male model based in Richmond with a wide gastronomic palate who travels widely and frequently posts whilst drunk on a site devoted to political betting.Byronic said:
I am bulimic.TOPPING said:
Male models don't exactly stuff their faces now do they. So that still leaves a knowledge gap.Byronic said:
I am an international male model. My job takes me all over the world to be photographed in glamorous places. I make no bones about this. I am lucky.TOPPING said:
What on earth would you know about eating in varied and exciting places so how could you make a comparison?Byronic said:ON topic. I had maybe the best meal of my year, so far, last night.
Parillan, in Coal Drops Yard, King's Cross. Laaaandan.
https://www.ft.com/content/1b260514-b258-11e9-8cb2-799a3a8cf37b
Sumptuous ingredients. The best of Spanish meet the best of British, over a little brazier. The new King's Cross is amazing.
Tho I would prefer to be a woman.
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I thought the average wage is £27,000. Monthly that would be £2,250.eek said:
Are you sure it’s £3000 a month after tax. That sounds like an awful lot of moneyByronic said:
I'm curious. Because, yes, I AM clearly part of a metropolitan elite. I live in London, I have a large income. I travel a lot. I am lucky. Yes. So I thought a bit before I wrote that sentence.dixiedean said:
The metropolitan elite.Byronic said:
Parillan isn't THAT expensive. You could have a very nice dinner for 2 for £100, including a few glasses of excellent wine.dixiedean said:
I drunkenly got off with a lass, and took her to Kebab Machine in 1989. It was our first meal and "date". We are still married. Doubt I could have stretched to Parillan.Byronic said:
I know! The transformation is so incredible it is emotionally moving. King's Cross is arguably the greatest example of large scale urban regeneration in the world. right now.dixiedean said:
Kebab Machine was the best restaurant in Kings Cross in the 80s.Byronic said:ON topic. I had maybe the best meal of my year, so far, last night.
Parillan, in Coal Drops Yard, King's Cross. Laaaandan.
https://www.ft.com/content/1b260514-b258-11e9-8cb2-799a3a8cf37b
Sumptuous ingredients. The best of Spanish meet the best of British, over a little brazier. The new King's Cross is amazing.
It is phenomenal, what they have done.
So... is a dinner for two for £100 that outrageous? The average monthly wage in the UK is about £3000. Therefore one blowout night, for a £100 dinner, doesn't seem particularly decadent. Or am I in a bubble?0 -
Yeah, I’m referring to central Newcastle. Remarkably pricey. It’s cheaper out in the wollybacks admittedly.eek said:
Central Newcastle isn’t that much different from London in my experience. Especially if the drinks aren’t bitter / lager.viewcode said:
It's been a long time since I got pissed oop North or dahn Sarf, but I do seem to recall that alcohol is far more expensive in London than the North EastAnabobazina said:
My in-laws and lots of my friends live in Newcastle. It’s not vastly cheaper for a night out than London, in my experience.dixiedean said:
If you scroll down (or up if you are weird), you will see I added a smiley face to that comment. So. I obviously was wary of antagonising. But £3000 a month in the North East, is far from average. Far, far from that. And £100 for two is a serious spend.Byronic said:
I'm curious. Because, yes, I AM clearly part of a metropolitan elite. I live in London, I have a large income. I travel a lot. I am lucky. Yes. So I thought a bit before I wrote that sentence.dixiedean said:
The metropolitan elite.Byronic said:
Parillan isn't THAT expensive. You could have a very nice dinner for 2 for £100, including a few glasses of excellent wine.dixiedean said:
I drunkenly got off with a lass, and took her to Kebab Machine in 1989. It was our first meal and "date". We are still married. Doubt I could have stretched to Parillan.Byronic said:
I know! The transformation is so incredible it is emotionally moving. King's Cross is arguably the greatest example of large scale urban regeneration in the world. right now.dixiedean said:
Kebab Machine was the best restaurant in Kings Cross in the 80s.Byronic said:ON topic. I had maybe the best meal of my year, so far, last night.
Parillan, in Coal Drops Yard, King's Cross. Laaaandan.
https://www.ft.com/content/1b260514-b258-11e9-8cb2-799a3a8cf37b
Sumptuous ingredients. The best of Spanish meet the best of British, over a little brazier. The new King's Cross is amazing.
It is phenomenal, what they have done.
So... is a dinner for two for £100 that outrageous? The average monthly wage in the UK is about £3000. Therefore one blowout night, for a £100 dinner, doesn't seem particularly decadent. Or am I in a bubble?
So, yes we live in bubbles. Equally. At least we are communicating beyond our circle. Which is why I like PB.0 -
And this comment added what? Just seems petty and chidish..TOPPING said:
What on earth would you know about eating in varied and exciting places so how could you make a comparison?Byronic said:ON topic. I had maybe the best meal of my year, so far, last night.
Parillan, in Coal Drops Yard, King's Cross. Laaaandan.
https://www.ft.com/content/1b260514-b258-11e9-8cb2-799a3a8cf37b
Sumptuous ingredients. The best of Spanish meet the best of British, over a little brazier. The new King's Cross is amazing.0 -
It seems perfectly obvious to me that today was all part of Johnson’s last roll of the dice - to encourage the EU to refuse any proposed extension, preferably in advance, thereby absolving him from any legal obligation to seek an extension post Oct 31st. He has therefore abandoned the idea of blackmailing the EU to offer an alternative deal under threat of crashing out, and switched back to the May idea of blackmailing Parliament. The obvious flaw being that he will have no alternative “deal” to blackmail them with.0
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Before tax, I think. It's late.eek said:
Are you sure it’s £3000 a month after tax. That sounds like an awful lot of moneyByronic said:
I'm curious. Because, yes, I AM clearly part of a metropolitan elite. I live in London, I have a large income. I travel a lot. I am lucky. Yes. So I thought a bit before I wrote that sentence.dixiedean said:
The metropolitan elite.Byronic said:
Parillan isn't THAT expensive. You could have a very nice dinner for 2 for £100, including a few glasses of excellent wine.dixiedean said:
I drunkenly got off with a lass, and took her to Kebab Machine in 1989. It was our first meal and "date". We are still married. Doubt I could have stretched to Parillan.Byronic said:
I know! The transformation is so incredible it is emotionally moving. King's Cross is arguably the greatest example of large scale urban regeneration in the world. right now.dixiedean said:
Kebab Machine was the best restaurant in Kings Cross in the 80s.Byronic said:ON topic. I had maybe the best meal of my year, so far, last night.
Parillan, in Coal Drops Yard, King's Cross. Laaaandan.
https://www.ft.com/content/1b260514-b258-11e9-8cb2-799a3a8cf37b
Sumptuous ingredients. The best of Spanish meet the best of British, over a little brazier. The new King's Cross is amazing.
It is phenomenal, what they have done.
So... is a dinner for two for £100 that outrageous? The average monthly wage in the UK is about £3000. Therefore one blowout night, for a £100 dinner, doesn't seem particularly decadent. Or am I in a bubble?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/6234493/weekly-salary-comparison-uk/
Brits take home £540 a week on average. So again I don't think a £100 dinner for two is especially insane. It's a splurge, sure, but it is once a month splurge, not a once-a-decade thing.
It is good to hear views from outside the bubble, tho.
And with that, goodnight, PB. goodnight.0 -
They even have a Nelson's Column.eek said:
Central Newcastle isn’t that much different from London in my experience. Especially if the drinks aren’t bitter / lager.viewcode said:
It's been a long time since I got pissed oop North or dahn Sarf, but I do seem to recall that alcohol is far more expensive in London than the North EastAnabobazina said:
My in-laws and lots of my friends live in Newcastle. It’s not vastly cheaper for a night out than London, in my experience.dixiedean said:
If you scroll down (or up if you are weird), you will see I added a smiley face to that comment. So. I obviously was wary of antagonising. But £3000 a month in the North East, is far from average. Far, far from that. And £100 for two is a serious spend.Byronic said:
I'm curious. Because, yes, I AM clearly part of a metropolitan elite. I live in London, I have a large income. I travel a lot. I am lucky. Yes. So I thought a bit before I wrote that sentence.dixiedean said:
The metropolitan elite.Byronic said:
Parillan isn't THAT expensive. You could have a very nice dinner for 2 for £100, including a few glasses of excellent wine.dixiedean said:
I drunkenly got off with a lass, and took her to Kebab Machine in 1989. It was our first meal and "date". We are still married. Doubt I could have stretched to Parillan.Byronic said:
I know! The transformation is so incredible it is emotionally moving. King's Cross is arguably the greatest example of large scale urban regeneration in the world. right now.dixiedean said:
Kebab Machine was the best restaurant in Kings Cross in the 80s.Byronic said:ON topic. I had maybe the best meal of my year, so far, last night.
Parillan, in Coal Drops Yard, King's Cross. Laaaandan.
https://www.ft.com/content/1b260514-b258-11e9-8cb2-799a3a8cf37b
Sumptuous ingredients. The best of Spanish meet the best of British, over a little brazier. The new King's Cross is amazing.
It is phenomenal, what they have done.
So... is a dinner for two for £100 that outrageous? The average monthly wage in the UK is about £3000. Therefore one blowout night, for a £100 dinner, doesn't seem particularly decadent. Or am I in a bubble?
So, yes we live in bubbles. Equally. At least we are communicating beyond our circle. Which is why I like PB.0 -
According to Google the average full-time salary is £36k, hence £3k pcm before tax and ni. Take home would be £2350 pcm.eek said:
Are you sure it’s £3000 a month after tax. That sounds like an awful lot of moneyByronic said:
I'm curious. Because, yes, I AM clearly part of a metropolitan elite. I live in London, I have a large income. I travel a lot. I am lucky. Yes. So I thought a bit before I wrote that sentence.dixiedean said:
The metropolitan elite.Byronic said:
Parillan isn't THAT expensive. You could have a very nice dinner for 2 for £100, including a few glasses of excellent wine.dixiedean said:
I drunkenly got off with a lass, and took her to Kebab Machine in 1989. It was our first meal and "date". We are still married. Doubt I could have stretched to Parillan.Byronic said:
I know! The transformation is so incredible it is emotionally moving. King's Cross is arguably the greatest example of large scale urban regeneration in the world. right now.dixiedean said:
Kebab Machine was the best restaurant in Kings Cross in the 80s.Byronic said:ON topic. I had maybe the best meal of my year, so far, last night.
Parillan, in Coal Drops Yard, King's Cross. Laaaandan.
https://www.ft.com/content/1b260514-b258-11e9-8cb2-799a3a8cf37b
Sumptuous ingredients. The best of Spanish meet the best of British, over a little brazier. The new King's Cross is amazing.
It is phenomenal, what they have done.
So... is a dinner for two for £100 that outrageous? The average monthly wage in the UK is about £3000. Therefore one blowout night, for a £100 dinner, doesn't seem particularly decadent. Or am I in a bubble?
However the average salary (which includes part-time work) is about £29k pa.0 -
By average I presume they mean the mean, which will be skewed by the billionaires. The median wage (about £26k) is a more sensible stat here.viewcode said:
According to Google the average full-time salary is £36k, hence £3k pcm before tax and ni. Take home would be £2350 pcm.eek said:
Are you sure it’s £3000 a month after tax. That sounds like an awful lot of moneyByronic said:
I'm curious. Because, yes, I AM clearly part of a metropolitan elite. I live in London, I have a large income. I travel a lot. I am lucky. Yes. So I thought a bit before I wrote that sentence.dixiedean said:
The metropolitan elite.Byronic said:
Parillan isn't THAT expensive. You could have a very nice dinner for 2 for £100, including a few glasses of excellent wine.dixiedean said:
I drunkenly got off with a lass, and took her to Kebab Machine in 1989. It was our first meal and "date". We are still married. Doubt I could have stretched to Parillan.Byronic said:
I know! The transformation is so incredible it is emotionally moving. King's Cross is arguably the greatest example of large scale urban regeneration in the world. right now.dixiedean said:
Kebab Machine was the best restaurant in Kings Cross in the 80s.Byronic said:ON topic. I had maybe the best meal of my year, so far, last night.
Parillan, in Coal Drops Yard, King's Cross. Laaaandan.
https://www.ft.com/content/1b260514-b258-11e9-8cb2-799a3a8cf37b
Sumptuous ingredients. The best of Spanish meet the best of British, over a little brazier. The new King's Cross is amazing.
It is phenomenal, what they have done.
So... is a dinner for two for £100 that outrageous? The average monthly wage in the UK is about £3000. Therefore one blowout night, for a £100 dinner, doesn't seem particularly decadent. Or am I in a bubble?
However the average salary (which includes part-time work) is about £29k pa.1 -
People cannot make up their minds whether the EU now wants us out because they are sick of us, or if they ste desperate for us to stay despite the cocking about.OnlyLivingBoy said:Unfortunately, I think this article is probably on the money: many Europeans just want rid of us now. It certainly chimes with what I get from interacting with EU-national friends and colleagues, who increasingly view us as a joke, ruled by an incompetent elite with delusions of grandeur and no real sense of our diminished status in the world.
What Brexiteers tend to misunderstand is that many educated Continental Europeans are gut Anglophiles. Their anger at Brexit is magnified by a sense of disillusionment that a country they had loved and respected has turned out to be such a ludicrous basket-case.
There will be no easy way back from this - my children's children will most likely still be dealing with the aftermath of the Brexit disaster that the Tory party has wrought.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/16/bettels-anger-highlights-a-bleak-truth-the-eu27-just-wants-britain-to-go
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Ah. I have done Mbro, Whitby, York, Harrogate and Durham, but not actually Newcastle. Will bear it in mind the next time I'm in the area.eek said:
Central Newcastle isn’t that much different from London in my experience. Especially if the drinks aren’t bitter / lager.viewcode said:
It's been a long time since I got pissed oop North or dahn Sarf, but I do seem to recall that alcohol is far more expensive in London than the North EastAnabobazina said:
My in-laws and lots of my friends live in Newcastle. It’s not vastly cheaper for a night out than London, in my experience.dixiedean said:
If you scroll down (or up if you are weird), you will see I added a smiley face to that comment. So. I obviously was wary of antagonising. But £3000 a month in the North East, is far from average. Far, far from that. And £100 for two is a serious spend.Byronic said:
I'm curious. Because, yes, I AM clearly part of a metropolitan elite. I live in London, I have a large income. I travel a lot. I am lucky. Yes. So I thought a bit before I wrote that sentence.dixiedean said:
The metropolitan elite.Byronic said:
Parillan isn't THAT expensive. You could have a very nice dinner for 2 for £100, including a few glasses of excellent wine.dixiedean said:
I drunkenly got off with a lass, and took her to Kebab Machine in 1989. It was our first meal and "date". We are still married. Doubt I could have stretched to Parillan.Byronic said:
I know! The transformation is so incredible it is emotionally moving. King's Cross is arguably the greatest example of large scale urban regeneration in the world. right now.dixiedean said:
Kebab Machine was the best restaurant in Kings Cross in the 80s.Byronic said:ON topic. I had maybe the best meal of my year, so far, last night.
Parillan, in Coal Drops Yard, King's Cross. Laaaandan.
https://www.ft.com/content/1b260514-b258-11e9-8cb2-799a3a8cf37b
Sumptuous ingredients. The best of Spanish meet the best of British, over a little brazier. The new King's Cross is amazing.
It is phenomenal, what they have done.
So... is a dinner for two for £100 that outrageous? The average monthly wage in the UK is about £3000. Therefore one blowout night, for a £100 dinner, doesn't seem particularly decadent. Or am I in a bubble?
So, yes we live in bubbles. Equally. At least we are communicating beyond our circle. Which is why I like PB.0 -
Different bubbles. And goodnight.Byronic said:
Before tax, I think. It's late.eek said:
Are you sure it’s £3000 a month after tax. That sounds like an awful lot of moneyByronic said:
I'm curious. Because, yes, I AM clearly part of a metropolitan elite. I live in London, I have a large income. I travel a lot. I am lucky. Yes. So I thought a bit before I wrote that sentence.dixiedean said:
The metropolitan elite.Byronic said:
Parillan isn't THAT expensive. You could have a very nice dinner for 2 for £100, including a few glasses of excellent wine.dixiedean said:
I drunkenly got off with a lass, and took her to Kebab Machine in 1989. It was our first meal and "date". We are still married. Doubt I could have stretched to Parillan.Byronic said:
I know! The transformation is so incredible it is emotionally moving. King's Cross is arguably the greatest example of large scale urban regeneration in the world. right now.dixiedean said:
Kebab Machine was the best restaurant in Kings Cross in the 80s.Byronic said:ON topic. I had maybe the best meal of my year, so far, last night.
Parillan, in Coal Drops Yard, King's Cross. Laaaandan.
https://www.ft.com/content/1b260514-b258-11e9-8cb2-799a3a8cf37b
Sumptuous ingredients. The best of Spanish meet the best of British, over a little brazier. The new King's Cross is amazing.
It is phenomenal, what they have done.
So... is a dinner for two for £100 that outrageous? The average monthly wage in the UK is about £3000. Therefore one blowout night, for a £100 dinner, doesn't seem particularly decadent. Or am I in a bubble?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/6234493/weekly-salary-comparison-uk/
Brits take home £540 a week on average. So again I don't think a £100 dinner for two is especially insane. It's a splurge, sure, but it is once a month splurge, not a once-a-decade thing.
It is good to hear views from outside the bubble, tho.
And with that, goodnight, PB. goodnight.0 -
I can't stress enough how pointless it is that people seem to be getting a perverse thrill recounting how people are laughing at us, which in any case is bizarre when it's from places with riotous political debate.Gardenwalker said:1 -
Parenthetically, I have optimised my train journey. If you time it right, there is a narrow window between pissheads going home before the pubs shut, and pissheads going home after catching last orders. If you hit the sweet spot the train is sparsely populated with tired workers going home, no danger to anybody, and no drunks or parties. I don't often get it right but when I do it is really cool, and I am inordinately pleased. Yay!0
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How do the Supreme Court Justices come to their collective view anyway? Give their initial impressions then go home for a day to think upon the arguments and present their reasoning to one another, see how many line up and determine who is best to write up the majority view and how many dissents are needed?0
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The way that some of the EU enthusiasts have cheered a foreign Country's failed attempt to humiliate a British Prime Minister is pretty disgusting , unpatriotic and says a lot more about them than current Politics. What are these people's mindset these days, its just deranged ?!0
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They logon to PBkle4 said:How do the Supreme Court Justices come to their collective view anyway? Give their initial impressions then go home for a day to think upon the arguments and present their reasoning to one another, see how many line up and determine who is best to write up the majority view and how many dissents are needed?
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Boris Wimped out of the press conference - nothing else matters - it’s the not turning up that counts.Marco1 said:The way that some of the EU enthusiasts have cheered a foreign Country's failed attempt to humiliate a British Prime Minister is pretty disgusting , unpatriotic and says a lot more about them than current Politics. What are these people's mindset these days, its just deranged ?!
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The PM of a tinpot country tried to set our PM up with a ridiculous, childish stunt.
Boris wouldn't play the game and whatever-his-name-is threw a tantrum.
It demeaned the EU.0 -
Johnson spent the end of the Parliamentary session taunting Corbyn for being scared of an election, but he is apparently too cowardly to face a couple of dozen protesters.
It's a far cry from Major's soapbox. How will he manage a general election campaign? He could refuse to meet the voters. That worked well for May.0 -
Why would you expect our PM to get involved with childish stunts like todays?OblitusSumMe said:Johnson spent the end of the Parliamentary session taunting Corbyn for being scared of an election, but he is apparently too cowardly to face a couple of dozen protesters.
It's a far cry from Major's soapbox. How will he manage a general election campaign? He could refuse to meet the voters. That worked well for May.
It was utterly ridiculous, obvious and embarrassing for both Luxembourg and the EU.0 -
Just logged on.
One bunch of PB posters says the Luxembourg PM set up something so as to embarass the PM.
Another bunch say that Boris didn't turn up for some reason, and so is frit.
I think I'll go and do some work instead.1 -
"David Cameron: Austerity was too soft" (£)
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/david-cameron-austerity-was-too-soft-9h2jqqkfb0 -
On this site, 99% of posters view every single thing through their personal Brexit prism.kle4 said:People cannot make up their minds whether the EU now wants us out because they are sick of us, or if they ste desperate for us to stay despite the cocking about..
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Sounds like the LibDems should write some new material. We're now on our fourth prime minister since Tony Blair.williamglenn said:0 -
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Looks like PB comments have stopped showing up on Opera which is the browser I'm using. (The header still appears). I'm having to use Vanilla comments instead.0 -
Don't go! We can talk about Buttigieg!rcs1000 said:Just logged on.
One bunch of PB posters says the Luxembourg PM set up something so as to embarass the PM.
Another bunch say that Boris didn't turn up for some reason, and so is frit.
I think I'll go and do some work instead.
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Excellent.edmundintokyo said:
Don't go! We can talk about Buttigieg!rcs1000 said:Just logged on.
One bunch of PB posters says the Luxembourg PM set up something so as to embarass the PM.
Another bunch say that Boris didn't turn up for some reason, and so is frit.
I think I'll go and do some work instead.
https://tyt.com/stories/4vZLCHuQrYE4uKagy0oyMA/22kkCiHxZkbeKfsQZwkvIm#.XYAji6sJmTQ.twitter
Can anyone think of anyone who ever became President without at least one scandal? I reckon he's set this up himself so as to not appear too squeaky clean.0 -
Dunno though, it's one thing if you have all kinds of things in your record and a couple of them are black marks, but this guy was mayor of a town and the only controversial thing he really touched was policing, and that seems like it all went kind of pear-shaped.rcs1000 said:Excellent.
Can anyone think of anyone who ever became President without at least one scandal? I reckon he's set this up himself so as to not appear too squeaky clean.0 -
Oh dear. And is that really what ebonics means? Bye bye President Pete.rcs1000 said:
Excellent.edmundintokyo said:
Don't go! We can talk about Buttigieg!rcs1000 said:Just logged on.
One bunch of PB posters says the Luxembourg PM set up something so as to embarass the PM.
Another bunch say that Boris didn't turn up for some reason, and so is frit.
I think I'll go and do some work instead.
https://tyt.com/stories/4vZLCHuQrYE4uKagy0oyMA/22kkCiHxZkbeKfsQZwkvIm#.XYAji6sJmTQ.twitter
Can anyone think of anyone who ever became President without at least one scandal? I reckon he's set this up himself so as to not appear too squeaky clean.
One of Mayor Pete's early speeches reminded me of someone else but by the time I'd remembered it was Gordon Brown, I'd lost the Buttigieg speech.0 -
Do they still sing “The Land”? That dates back to the 1890s or something.DecrepitJohnL said:
Sounds like the LibDems should write some new material. We're now on our fourth prime minister since Tony Blair.williamglenn said:0 -
If by Nelson you mean Grey...Sunil_Prasannan said:
They even have a Nelson's Column.eek said:
Central Newcastle isn’t that much different from London in my experience. Especially if the drinks aren’t bitter / lager.viewcode said:
It's been a long time since I got pissed oop North or dahn Sarf, but I do seem to recall that alcohol is far more expensive in London than the North EastAnabobazina said:
My in-laws and lots of my friends live in Newcastle. It’s not vastly cheaper for a night out than London, in my experience.dixiedean said:
If you scroll down (or up if you are weird), you will see I added a smiley face to that comment. So. I obviously was wary of antagonising. But £3000 a month in the North East, is far from average. Far, far from that. And £100 for two is a serious spend.Byronic said:
I'm curious. Because, yes, I AM clearly part of a metropolitan elite. I live in London, I have a large income. I travel a lot. I am lucky. Yes. So I thought a bit before I wrote that sentence.dixiedean said:
The metropolitan elite.Byronic said:
Parillan isn't THAT expensive. You could have a very nice dinner for 2 for £100, including a few glasses of excellent wine.dixiedean said:
I drunkenly got off with a lass, and took her to Kebab Machine in 1989. It was our first meal and "date". We are still married. Doubt I could have stretched to Parillan.Byronic said:
I know! The transformation is so incredible it is emotionally moving. King's Cross is arguably the greatest example of large scale urban regeneration in the world. right now.dixiedean said:
Kebab Machine was the best restaurant in Kings Cross in the 80s.Byronic said:ON topic. I had maybe the best meal of my year, so far, last night.
Parillan, in Coal Drops Yard, King's Cross. Laaaandan.
https://www.ft.com/content/1b260514-b258-11e9-8cb2-799a3a8cf37b
Sumptuous ingredients. The best of Spanish meet the best of British, over a little brazier. The new King's Cross is amazing.
It is phenomenal, what they have done.
So... is a dinner for two for £100 that outrageous? The average monthly wage in the UK is about £3000. Therefore one blowout night, for a £100 dinner, doesn't seem particularly decadent. Or am I in a bubble?
So, yes we live in bubbles. Equally. At least we are communicating beyond our circle. Which is why I like PB.1 -
OT MPs trying to fuck with gamers, this won't end well for them
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High speed telepathy.kle4 said:How do the Supreme Court Justices come to their collective view anyway? Give their initial impressions then go home for a day to think upon the arguments and present their reasoning to one another, see how many line up and determine who is best to write up the majority view and how many dissents are needed?
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The Land is one of the highlights of the eveningrpjs said:
Do they still sing “The Land”? That dates back to the 1890s or something.DecrepitJohnL said:
Sounds like the LibDems should write some new material. We're now on our fourth prime minister since Tony Blair.williamglenn said:0 -
If Labour can get their act together (which I know is a big if), the Lib Dem move to back revoke opens up a huge opportunity to be seen as the only party offering a middle course on Brexit, which in fairness seems to have been Corbyn's direction of travel all along.
I can honestly see no up side for the Lib Dems on going for revoke. The hard remainers are pretty much already on side. People like me who think a 2nd confirmatory vote is probably the only route out of the mess are going to be put off.0 -
Never trust a parliamentary committee that misspells excessive. A motto to live by.edmundintokyo said:OT MPs trying to fuck with gamers, this won't end well for them
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Yeah.....”pedo guy” doesn’t mean “paedophile”......
https://www.itv.com/news/2019-09-17/elon-musk-says-he-did-not-intend-to-accuse-british-diver-of-being-a-paedophile/
Surprised the damages claim is so modest ($75k).0 -
Has Bercow said what he intends to do post Speakership? Is he resigning his seat? Or continuing as an MP? If the latter, what odds him.joining the Lib Dems ?0
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Supporters of the Union must be wondering why David Cameron couldn't keep his mouth shut about his private appeal for the Queen to "raise an eyebrow" against independence.0
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I have to say that some of the previous outrage of blackface type stuff I couldn't get exercised by, when they were talking about somebody in the 60/70s who were in his teens at the time and given many things at the time were not considered racist / sexist which are now totally not ok.
But at 30 year old in this millennia, you have to be a moron not to have thought this isn't really ok nowadays.0 -
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