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That is how the Privy Council works. The government picks 3 Privy Councillors and sends them to meet the Queen.nichomar said:
The privy council consist of a few more than the three that went to balmoral to advise the queen if that really is the privy council then it’s not fit for purposePhilip_Thompson said:
Privy Council is constitutionally how HMQ gets her advice from ministers, what do you mean by "my arse pull the other one"?nichomar said:
Privy council my arse pull the other one after last weekPhilip_Thompson said:
People were saying HMQ wouldn't approve prorogation and she did it unquestioningly.Fenman said:
Not if she has any sense. And she has.Philip_Thompson said:
But two can play at that game.Fenman said:
I'm really tired of hearing this idiotic statement. The role of the Speaker is to represent the interests of Parliament and its members. He can conform to precedent or move forward as he interprets the will of the House.Gabs2 said:
Sadly, we are well past this argument, after Bercow overturned several centuries of precedent in how standing orders are treated.prh47bridge said:
It has been a formality for three centuries. For over a century the monarchy has kept itself out of politics. If you really think our current Queen will change that I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.Philip_Thompson said:
That's not true. It was denied in 1707.prh47bridge said:
He can't. Royal assent is a formality. It is never denied. If Boris tried to drag the Queen into politics by asking her to refuse or delay assent to this bill he will, I am quite certain, be told where to go.Philip_Thompson said:Boris should deny royal assent to the bill since the opposition have refused an election or VONC.
Let the opposition VONC him if they want assent given.
Everything is a formality until it isn't.
The role of the speaker is to represent the interests of Parliament and its members.
The role of the monarch is to act on the advice of her ministers, as chosen and given confidence by Parliament.
If her ministers advise to refuse consent then why should the Queen not follow her minister's advise?
HMQ has always taken her ministers advise. If the privy council says to refuse assent then how and why would she approve it?
If the Privy Council says "don't assent to this" then why would HMQ assent to it?
If the Commons isn't happy with how the government exercises its executive powers then the Commons can No Confidence the government.0 -
nichomar said:
The privy council consist of a few more than the three that went to balmoral to advise the queen if that really is the privy council then it’s not fit for purposePhilip_Thompson said:
Privy Council is constitutionally how HMQ gets her advice from ministers, what do you mean by "my arse pull the other one"?nichomar said:
Privy council my arse pull the other one after last weekPhilip_Thompson said:
People were saying HMQ wouldn't approve prorogation and she did it unquestioningly.Fenman said:
Not if she has any sense. And she has.Philip_Thompson said:
But two can play at that game.Fenman said:
I'm really tired of hearing this idiotic statement. The role of the Speaker is to represent the interests of Parliament and its members. He can conform to precedent or move forward as he interprets the will of the House.Gabs2 said:
Sadly, we are well past this argument, after Bercow overturned several centuries of precedent in how standing orders are treated.prh47bridge said:
It has been a formality for three centuries. For over a century the monarchy has kept itself out of politics. If you really think our current Queen will change that I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.Philip_Thompson said:
That's not true. It was denied in 1707.prh47bridge said:
He can't. Royal assent is a formality. It is never denied. If Boris tried to drag the Queen into politics by asking her to refuse or delay assent to this bill he will, I am quite certain, be told where to go.Philip_Thompson said:Boris should deny royal assent to the bill since the opposition have refused an election or VONC.
Let the opposition VONC him if they want assent given.
Everything is a formality until it isn't.
The role of the speaker is to represent the interests of Parliament and its members.
The role of the monarch is to act on the advice of her ministers, as chosen and given confidence by Parliament.
If her ministers advise to refuse consent then why should the Queen not follow her minister's advise?
HMQ has always taken her ministers advise. If the privy council says to refuse assent then how and why would she approve it?
If the Privy Council says "don't assent to this" then why would HMQ assent to it?
Isn’t the Cabinet a subcommittee of the Privy Council?0 -
I might be repeating what others have said but Panelbase is striking for the “shape” of the shares. Labour and the LibDems at the high end of their range, and BXP too. No way to know which is right until we see more real votes, but it would be interesting to get into the methodological differences.0
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Yes. As it should be in a democracy.RobD said:Yeah, but for all intents and purposes the advice is coming from the PM on such matters.
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Without dates for those polls you information is worthless.viewcode said:We have another two due tonight: YouGov and Panelbase, giving a total of five polls. Here is the summary.
Key:
A=previous poll, B=this poll, C=change since last poll, D=Con lead
Opinium:
A: Con32%, Lab26%, Lib15%, BXP16%
B: Con35%, Lab25%, Lib17%, BXP13%
C: Con+3%, Lab-1%, Lib+2%, BXP-3%
D 10%
Panelbase:
A: Con21%, Lab31%, Lib13%, BXP19%
B: Con31%. Lab28%, Lib19%, BXP15%
C: Co+10%, Lab-3%, Lib+6%, BXP-4%
D 3%
Survation:
A: Con31%, Lab24%, Lib21%, BXP14%
B: Con29%, Lab24%, Lib18%, BXP17%
C: Con-2%, Lab+0%, Lib-3%, BXP+3%
D 5%
YouGov:
A: Con35%, Lab25%, Lib16%, BXP11%
B: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
C: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
D ?%
Deltapoll:
A: Con35%, Lab24%, Lib18%, BXP14%
B: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
C: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
D ?%
A=previous poll, B=this poll, C=change since last poll, D=Con lead0 -
I thank him for his efforts nonetheless.eek said:
Without dates for those polls you information is worthless.viewcode said:We have another two due tonight: YouGov and Panelbase, giving a total of five polls. Here is the summary.
Key:
A=previous poll, B=this poll, C=change since last poll, D=Con lead
Opinium:
A: Con32%, Lab26%, Lib15%, BXP16%
B: Con35%, Lab25%, Lib17%, BXP13%
C: Con+3%, Lab-1%, Lib+2%, BXP-3%
D 10%
Panelbase:
A: Con21%, Lab31%, Lib13%, BXP19%
B: Con31%. Lab28%, Lib19%, BXP15%
C: Co+10%, Lab-3%, Lib+6%, BXP-4%
D 3%
Survation:
A: Con31%, Lab24%, Lib21%, BXP14%
B: Con29%, Lab24%, Lib18%, BXP17%
C: Con-2%, Lab+0%, Lib-3%, BXP+3%
D 5%
YouGov:
A: Con35%, Lab25%, Lib16%, BXP11%
B: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
C: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
D ?%
Deltapoll:
A: Con35%, Lab24%, Lib18%, BXP14%
B: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
C: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
D ?%
A=previous poll, B=this poll, C=change since last poll, D=Con lead1 -
Thank you for this.viewcode said:We have another two due tonight: YouGov and Panelbase, giving a total of five polls. Here is the summary.
Key:
A=previous poll, B=this poll, C=change since last poll, D=Con lead
Opinium:
A: Con32%, Lab26%, Lib15%, BXP16%
B: Con35%, Lab25%, Lib17%, BXP13%
C: Con+3%, Lab-1%, Lib+2%, BXP-3%
D 10%
Panelbase:
A: Con21%, Lab31%, Lib13%, BXP19%
B: Con31%. Lab28%, Lib19%, BXP15%
C: Co+10%, Lab-3%, Lib+6%, BXP-4%
D 3%
Survation:
A: Con31%, Lab24%, Lib21%, BXP14%
B: Con29%, Lab24%, Lib18%, BXP17%
C: Con-2%, Lab+0%, Lib-3%, BXP+3%
D 5%
YouGov:
A: Con35%, Lab25%, Lib16%, BXP11%
B: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
C: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
D ?%
Deltapoll:
A: Con35%, Lab24%, Lib18%, BXP14%
B: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
C: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
D ?%
A=previous poll, B=this poll, C=change since last poll, D=Con lead
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So go look up the dates and fill them in.eek said:
Without dates for those polls you information is worthless.viewcode said:We have another two due tonight: YouGov and Panelbase, giving a total of five polls. Here is the summary.
Key:
A=previous poll, B=this poll, C=change since last poll, D=Con lead
Opinium:
A: Con32%, Lab26%, Lib15%, BXP16%
B: Con35%, Lab25%, Lib17%, BXP13%
C: Con+3%, Lab-1%, Lib+2%, BXP-3%
D 10%
Panelbase:
A: Con21%, Lab31%, Lib13%, BXP19%
B: Con31%. Lab28%, Lib19%, BXP15%
C: Co+10%, Lab-3%, Lib+6%, BXP-4%
D 3%
Survation:
A: Con31%, Lab24%, Lib21%, BXP14%
B: Con29%, Lab24%, Lib18%, BXP17%
C: Con-2%, Lab+0%, Lib-3%, BXP+3%
D 5%
YouGov:
A: Con35%, Lab25%, Lib16%, BXP11%
B: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
C: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
D ?%
Deltapoll:
A: Con35%, Lab24%, Lib18%, BXP14%
B: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
C: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
D ?%
A=previous poll, B=this poll, C=change since last poll, D=Con lead0 -
Thank you viewcode, great summary.0
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It is always nice to be thanked.RobD said:
I thank him for his efforts nonetheless.eek said:
Without dates for those polls you information is worthless.viewcode said:We have another two due tonight: YouGov and Panelbase, giving a total of five polls. Here is the summary.
Key:
A=previous poll, B=this poll, C=change since last poll, D=Con lead
Opinium:
A: Con32%, Lab26%, Lib15%, BXP16%
B: Con35%, Lab25%, Lib17%, BXP13%
C: Con+3%, Lab-1%, Lib+2%, BXP-3%
D 10%
Panelbase:
A: Con21%, Lab31%, Lib13%, BXP19%
B: Con31%. Lab28%, Lib19%, BXP15%
C: Co+10%, Lab-3%, Lib+6%, BXP-4%
D 3%
Survation:
A: Con31%, Lab24%, Lib21%, BXP14%
B: Con29%, Lab24%, Lib18%, BXP17%
C: Con-2%, Lab+0%, Lib-3%, BXP+3%
D 5%
YouGov:
A: Con35%, Lab25%, Lib16%, BXP11%
B: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
C: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
D ?%
Deltapoll:
A: Con35%, Lab24%, Lib18%, BXP14%
B: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
C: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
D ?%
A=previous poll, B=this poll, C=change since last poll, D=Con lead0 -
Charmless.eek said:
Without dates for those polls you information is worthless.viewcode said:We have another two due tonight: YouGov and Panelbase, giving a total of five polls. Here is the summary.
Key:
A=previous poll, B=this poll, C=change since last poll, D=Con lead
Opinium:
A: Con32%, Lab26%, Lib15%, BXP16%
B: Con35%, Lab25%, Lib17%, BXP13%
C: Con+3%, Lab-1%, Lib+2%, BXP-3%
D 10%
Panelbase:
A: Con21%, Lab31%, Lib13%, BXP19%
B: Con31%. Lab28%, Lib19%, BXP15%
C: Co+10%, Lab-3%, Lib+6%, BXP-4%
D 3%
Survation:
A: Con31%, Lab24%, Lib21%, BXP14%
B: Con29%, Lab24%, Lib18%, BXP17%
C: Con-2%, Lab+0%, Lib-3%, BXP+3%
D 5%
YouGov:
A: Con35%, Lab25%, Lib16%, BXP11%
B: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
C: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
D ?%
Deltapoll:
A: Con35%, Lab24%, Lib18%, BXP14%
B: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
C: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
D ?%
A=previous poll, B=this poll, C=change since last poll, D=Con lead1 -
Given that many privy councilors were waiting for a meeting to be organized of the said privy council tells us that maybe privy councilors don’t know what their job is. There should only be three Rt Hon the rest are irrelevant if that is the casePhilip_Thompson said:
Yes. As it should be in a democracy.RobD said:Yeah, but for all intents and purposes the advice is coming from the PM on such matters.
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Yes, sorry, meant to thank you as well. Always useful to see stuff summarised.0
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+1YBarddCwsc said:
Charmless.eek said:
Without dates for those polls you information is worthless.viewcode said:We have another two due tonight: YouGov and Panelbase, giving a total of five polls. Here is the summary.
Key:
A=previous poll, B=this poll, C=change since last poll, D=Con lead
Opinium:
A: Con32%, Lab26%, Lib15%, BXP16%
B: Con35%, Lab25%, Lib17%, BXP13%
C: Con+3%, Lab-1%, Lib+2%, BXP-3%
D 10%
Panelbase:
A: Con21%, Lab31%, Lib13%, BXP19%
B: Con31%. Lab28%, Lib19%, BXP15%
C: Co+10%, Lab-3%, Lib+6%, BXP-4%
D 3%
Survation:
A: Con31%, Lab24%, Lib21%, BXP14%
B: Con29%, Lab24%, Lib18%, BXP17%
C: Con-2%, Lab+0%, Lib-3%, BXP+3%
D 5%
YouGov:
A: Con35%, Lab25%, Lib16%, BXP11%
B: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
C: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
D ?%
Deltapoll:
A: Con35%, Lab24%, Lib18%, BXP14%
B: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
C: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
D ?%
A=previous poll, B=this poll, C=change since last poll, D=Con lead1 -
That's a good casting choice.TGOHF said:1 -
Off topic, a question for the PB Brains Trust.
What is the best reasonably priced tablet around. My iPad is now nearly 6 years old and becoming unreliable.
I use it for reading/watching stuff etc and checking up on my personal and work emails.
Should I go for another Apple product or some other brand?
And if so which?
Thanks in advance. VM me if necessary.0 -
Not much help but I have been stuck with apple for donkeys years now and although I am deeply unhappy with their pricing strategies I would be loathe to switch and start learning another companies style.Cyclefree said:Off topic, a question for the PB Brains Trust.
What is the best reasonably priced tablet around. My iPad is now nearly 6 years old and becoming unreliable.
I use it for reading/watching stuff etc and checking up on my personal and work emails.
Should I go for another Apple product or some other brand?
And if so which?
Thanks in advance. VM me if necessary.
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"Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Commission turned round on you — where would you hide, Boris, the laws all being flat? This country's planted thick with laws from coast to coast — Benn's laws, not God's — and if you cut them down — and you're just the man to do it — d'you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Remain campaign benefit of law, for my own safety's sake."
~with apologies to Robert Bolt, and probably to Sunil who would have done this better0 -
On the basis of UNS , Panelbase would see Labour losing 7 seats to the Tories - but 4 of them would enjoy first term incumbency - likely to be important in context of such a tiny overall swing.HYUFD said:
Not if he is going to lose at least 21 Labour seats as Panelbase predictsPhilip_Thompson said:
Be amusing if Corbyn reads these polls and thinks "I'd like a vote now afterall".SouthamObserver said:If other weekend polls are similar to the Panelbase and Survation ones, Johnson is in deep, deep trouble. Big if, though.
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I've had iPads for years, but mine was slowing down, and I've just bought a Samsung S5e Tab, which I'm really enjoying using. Excellent screen, without the Apple Tax.Cyclefree said:Off topic, a question for the PB Brains Trust.
What is the best reasonably priced tablet around. My iPad is now nearly 6 years old and becoming unreliable.
I use it for reading/watching stuff etc and checking up on my personal and work emails.
Should I go for another Apple product or some other brand?
And if so which?
Thanks in advance. VM me if necessary.
If you are looking for an IPad, Amazon have been pricing the basic one in the £250 to 299 range, or try the Apple Refurbished store, as these are often just returns or old stock at a reasonable price.
https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/refurbished/ipad0 -
Just because some don't know what the role means doesn't mean that all don't.nichomar said:
Given that many privy councilors were waiting for a meeting to be organized of the said privy council tells us that maybe privy councilors don’t know what their job is. There should only be three Rt Hon the rest are irrelevant if that is the casePhilip_Thompson said:
Yes. As it should be in a democracy.RobD said:Yeah, but for all intents and purposes the advice is coming from the PM on such matters.
Quorum is 3+HMQ. Won't be the same 3 every time though.0 -
No doubt you've done the figures on Opinium too?justin124 said:
On the basis of UNS , Panelbase would see Labour losing 7 seats to the Tories - but 4 of them would enjoy first term incumbency - likely to be important in context of such a tiny overall swing.HYUFD said:
Not if he is going to lose at least 21 Labour seats as Panelbase predictsPhilip_Thompson said:
Be amusing if Corbyn reads these polls and thinks "I'd like a vote now afterall".SouthamObserver said:If other weekend polls are similar to the Panelbase and Survation ones, Johnson is in deep, deep trouble. Big if, though.
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That would be the wrong type of democracy it seems.......kyf_100 said:
What a bunch of tossers. They could "stop the coup" by allowing the prime minister to call an election.Byronic said:Scuffles at an anti Brexit march in London. Soubry crying again
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/07/anti-brexit-protesters-decry-johnsons-coup-in-london-and-leeds?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other0 -
You obviously haven't been laid recently...eek said:
Without dates for those polls you information is worthless.viewcode said:We have another two due tonight: YouGov and Panelbase, giving a total of five polls. Here is the summary.
Key:
A=previous poll, B=this poll, C=change since last poll, D=Con lead
Opinium:
A: Con32%, Lab26%, Lib15%, BXP16%
B: Con35%, Lab25%, Lib17%, BXP13%
C: Con+3%, Lab-1%, Lib+2%, BXP-3%
D 10%
Panelbase:
A: Con21%, Lab31%, Lib13%, BXP19%
B: Con31%. Lab28%, Lib19%, BXP15%
C: Co+10%, Lab-3%, Lib+6%, BXP-4%
D 3%
Survation:
A: Con31%, Lab24%, Lib21%, BXP14%
B: Con29%, Lab24%, Lib18%, BXP17%
C: Con-2%, Lab+0%, Lib-3%, BXP+3%
D 5%
YouGov:
A: Con35%, Lab25%, Lib16%, BXP11%
B: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
C: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
D ?%
Deltapoll:
A: Con35%, Lab24%, Lib18%, BXP14%
B: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
C: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
D ?%
A=previous poll, B=this poll, C=change since last poll, D=Con lead
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It might be the quorum but what is to stop say another five Privy Councillors turning up to give their advice? Normally notice has to be given of a meeting. Does the Privy Council have "Articles" or a constitution which define these matters?Philip_Thompson said:
Privy Council quorom is HMQ plus 3 Privy Councillors. In my scenario I expect it would be Jacob Rees Mogg (Lord President) and 2 others, probably PM and Secretary of State for Exiting the EU.RobD said:
In your scenario, Privy Council basically means the PM.Philip_Thompson said:
Privy Council is constitutionally how HMQ gets her advice from ministers, what do you mean by "my arse pull the other one"?nichomar said:
Privy council my arse pull the other one after last weekPhilip_Thompson said:
People were saying HMQ wouldn't approve prorogation and she did it unquestioningly.Fenman said:
Not if she has any sense. And she has.Philip_Thompson said:Fenman said:
I'm really tired of hearing this idiotic statement. The role of the Speaker is to represent the interests of Parliament and its members. He can conform to precedent or move forward as he interprets the will of the House.Gabs2 said:
Sadly, we are well past this argument, after Bercow overturned several centuries of precedent in how standing orders are treated.prh47bridge said:
It has been a formality for three centuries. For over a century the monarchy has kept itself out of politics. If you really think our current Queen will change that I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.Philip_Thompson said:
That's not true. It was denied in 1707.prh47bridge said:
He can't. Royal assent is a formality. It is never denied. If Boris tried to drag the Queen into politics by asking her to refuse or delay assent to this bill he will, I am quite certain, be told where to go.Philip_Thompson said:Boris should deny royal assent to the bill since the opposition have refused an election or VONC.
Let the opposition VONC him if they want assent given.
Everything is a formality until it isn't.
HMQ has always taken her ministers advise. If the privy council says to refuse assent then how and why would she approve it?
If the Privy Council says "don't assent to this" then why would HMQ assent to it?0 -
Remainers attitude to democracy is either to ignore the result or just prevent it happening in the first place.Floater said:
That would be the wrong type of democracy it seems.......kyf_100 said:
What a bunch of tossers. They could "stop the coup" by allowing the prime minister to call an election.Byronic said:Scuffles at an anti Brexit march in London. Soubry crying again
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/07/anti-brexit-protesters-decry-johnsons-coup-in-london-and-leeds?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other1 -
YBarddCwsc said:
Was canvassed by Gloria and team today.MarqueeMark said:GIN1138 said:
With Mann, De Piero and Farrelly all going, this very strongly suggests that they are expecting Labour losses in the Midlands Leaver seats.CarlottaVance said:
They confirmed that she was still leaving, despite her remaining 3 years having suddenly turned into 3 months.
Time to spend that £30k or whatever into a long cruise.0 -
But it will never be John major Ken Clarke and tony BlairPhilip_Thompson said:
Just because some don't know what the role means doesn't mean that all don't.nichomar said:
Given that many privy councilors were waiting for a meeting to be organized of the said privy council tells us that maybe privy councilors don’t know what their job is. There should only be three Rt Hon the rest are irrelevant if that is the casePhilip_Thompson said:
Yes. As it should be in a democracy.RobD said:Yeah, but for all intents and purposes the advice is coming from the PM on such matters.
Quorum is 3+HMQ. Won't be the same 3 every time though.0 -
Everyone has politicians they simply don't like, often for irrational reasons. For me, it's Hilary Benn and Keir Starmer. It's funny/odd in a way, because I've always been a big fan of Tony Benn. I like reading his diaries very much.1
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There is an obvious way out for Boris, but it requires cutting NI loose:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/09/could-boris-johnson-cut-northern-ireland-loose/amp/
Actually, that's a bit dramatic. It would still be part of the UK but operating under different customs and regulatory rules in certain areas, so more detached. It would allow, though, mainland GB to fully exit the single market and customs union immediately following a transition period. It's also on the table from the EU because it's what they offered in the first place.
As soon as a GE campaign is called (and parliament dissolved) he could cut the DUP loose in the hope of an overall majority, and make any such deal subject to ratification via a vote in a new NI assembly and an updated GFA.
Problems would include Scotland wanting similar treatment and it would probably stoke the independence movement there. But it would deliver a 'Deal' that most of his party could accept.0 -
That's odd.AndyJS said:Everyone has politicians they simply can't stand, often for irrational reasons. For me, it's Hilary Benn and Keir Starmer. It's funny/odd in a way, because I've always been a big fan of Tony Benn. I like reading his diaries very much.
Whilst not sharing his politics I've always rather liked Hilary Benn.0 -
I assume that was a response to me?AndyJS said:Everyone has politicians they simply can't stand, often for irrational reasons. For me, it's Hilary Benn and Keir Starmer. It's funny/odd in a way, because I've always been a big fan of Tony Benn. I like reading his diaries very much.
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What's your free contribution to the site with research and effort for the benefit and interest of others with no obvious reward?eek said:
Without dates for those polls you information is worthless.viewcode said:We have another two due tonight: YouGov and Panelbase, giving a total of five polls. Here is the summary.
Key:
A=previous poll, B=this poll, C=change since last poll, D=Con lead
Opinium:
A: Con32%, Lab26%, Lib15%, BXP16%
B: Con35%, Lab25%, Lib17%, BXP13%
C: Con+3%, Lab-1%, Lib+2%, BXP-3%
D 10%
Panelbase:
A: Con21%, Lab31%, Lib13%, BXP19%
B: Con31%. Lab28%, Lib19%, BXP15%
C: Co+10%, Lab-3%, Lib+6%, BXP-4%
D 3%
Survation:
A: Con31%, Lab24%, Lib21%, BXP14%
B: Con29%, Lab24%, Lib18%, BXP17%
C: Con-2%, Lab+0%, Lib-3%, BXP+3%
D 5%
YouGov:
A: Con35%, Lab25%, Lib16%, BXP11%
B: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
C: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
D ?%
Deltapoll:
A: Con35%, Lab24%, Lib18%, BXP14%
B: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
C: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
D ?%
A=previous poll, B=this poll, C=change since last poll, D=Con lead
Can you let us know, so we can rudely criticise as well please?0 -
But apparently that’s anti democratic because NI would have to accept EU rules without representation as they no longer have MEPsCasino_Royale said:There is an obvious way out for Boris, but it requires cutting NI loose:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/09/could-boris-johnson-cut-northern-ireland-loose/amp/
Actually, that's a bit dramatic. It would still be part of the UK but operating under different customs and regulatory rules in certain areas, so more detached. It would allow, though, mainland GB to fully exit the single market and customs union immediately following a transition period. It's also on the table from the EU because it's what they offered in the first place.
As soon as a GE campaign is called (and parliament dissolved) he could cut the DUP loose in the hope of an overall majority, and make any such deal subject to ratification via a vote in a new NI assembly and an updated GFA.
Problems would include Scotland wanting similar treatment and it would probably stoke the independence movement there. But it would deliver a 'Deal' that most of his party could accept.0 -
You mean like the Channel Islands, Isle of Man, Falklands etc. Maybe you could even hide your tax dodged money.Casino_Royale said:There is an obvious way out for Boris, but it requires cutting NI loose:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/09/could-boris-johnson-cut-northern-ireland-loose/amp/
Actually, that's a bit dramatic. It would still be part of the UK but operating under different customs and regulatory rules in certain areas, so more detached. It would allow, though, mainland GB to fully exit the single market and customs union immediately following a transition period. It's also on the table from the EU because it's what they offered in the first place.
As soon as a GE campaign is called (and parliament dissolved) he could cut the DUP loose in the hope of an overall majority, and make any such deal subject to ratification via a vote in a new NI assembly and an updated GFA.
Problems would include Scotland wanting similar treatment and it would probably stoke the independence movement there. But it would deliver a 'Deal' that most of his party could accept.
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We had Panelbase earlier didn't we? Its YouGov and Delta Poll that's due later I think?viewcode said:We have another two due tonight: YouGov and Panelbase, giving a total of five polls. Here is the summary.
Key:
A=previous poll, B=this poll, C=change since last poll, D=Con lead
Opinium:
A: Con32%, Lab26%, Lib15%, BXP16%
B: Con35%, Lab25%, Lib17%, BXP13%
C: Con+3%, Lab-1%, Lib+2%, BXP-3%
D 10%
Panelbase:
A: Con21%, Lab31%, Lib13%, BXP19%
B: Con31%. Lab28%, Lib19%, BXP15%
C: Co+10%, Lab-3%, Lib+6%, BXP-4%
D 3%
Survation:
A: Con31%, Lab24%, Lib21%, BXP14%
B: Con29%, Lab24%, Lib18%, BXP17%
C: Con-2%, Lab+0%, Lib-3%, BXP+3%
D 5%
YouGov:
A: Con35%, Lab25%, Lib16%, BXP11%
B: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
C: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
D ?%
Deltapoll:
A: Con35%, Lab24%, Lib18%, BXP14%
B: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
C: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
D ?%
A=previous poll, B=this poll, C=change since last poll, D=Con lead0 -
Thank you very much.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
I've had iPads for years, but mine was slowing down, and I've just bought a Samsung S5e Tab, which I'm really enjoying using. Excellent screen, without the Apple Tax.Cyclefree said:Off topic, a question for the PB Brains Trust.
What is the best reasonably priced tablet around. My iPad is now nearly 6 years old and becoming unreliable.
I use it for reading/watching stuff etc and checking up on my personal and work emails.
Should I go for another Apple product or some other brand?
And if so which?
Thanks in advance. VM me if necessary.
If you are looking for an IPad, Amazon have been pricing the basic one in the £250 to 299 range, or try the Apple Refurbished store, as these are often just returns or old stock at a reasonable price.
https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/refurbished/ipad1 -
I'm merely pointing out that polls are snapshots without dates it's impossible to gauge what was happening at the time.Casino_Royale said:
What's your free contribution to the site with research and effort for the benefit and interest of others with no obvious reward?eek said:
Without dates for those polls you information is worthless.viewcode said:We have another two due tonight: YouGov and Panelbase, giving a total of five polls. Here is the summary.
Key:
A=previous poll, B=this poll, C=change since last poll, D=Con lead
Opinium:
A: Con32%, Lab26%, Lib15%, BXP16%
B: Con35%, Lab25%, Lib17%, BXP13%
C: Con+3%, Lab-1%, Lib+2%, BXP-3%
D 10%
Panelbase:
A: Con21%, Lab31%, Lib13%, BXP19%
B: Con31%. Lab28%, Lib19%, BXP15%
C: Co+10%, Lab-3%, Lib+6%, BXP-4%
D 3%
Survation:
A: Con31%, Lab24%, Lib21%, BXP14%
B: Con29%, Lab24%, Lib18%, BXP17%
C: Con-2%, Lab+0%, Lib-3%, BXP+3%
D 5%
YouGov:
A: Con35%, Lab25%, Lib16%, BXP11%
B: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
C: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
D ?%
Deltapoll:
A: Con35%, Lab24%, Lib18%, BXP14%
B: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
C: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
D ?%
A=previous poll, B=this poll, C=change since last poll, D=Con lead
Can you let us know, so we can rudely criticise as well please?0 -
Do they have to wear uniforms like shorts and suspenders ?Barnesian said:
It might be the quorum but what is to stop say another five Privy Councillors turning up to give their advice? Normally notice has to be given of a meeting. Does the Privy Council have "Articles" or a constitution which define these matters?Philip_Thompson said:
Privy Council quorom is HMQ plus 3 Privy Councillors. In my scenario I expect it would be Jacob Rees Mogg (Lord President) and 2 others, probably PM and Secretary of State for Exiting the EU.RobD said:
In your scenario, Privy Council basically means the PM.Philip_Thompson said:
Privy Council is constitutionally how HMQ gets her advice from ministers, what do you mean by "my arse pull the other one"?nichomar said:
Privy council my arse pull the other one after last weekPhilip_Thompson said:
People were saying HMQ wouldn't approve prorogation and she did it unquestioningly.Fenman said:
Not if she has any sense. And she has.Philip_Thompson said:Fenman said:
I'm really tired of hearing this idiotic statement. The role of the Speaker is to represent the interests of Parliament and its members. He can conform to precedent or move forward as he interprets the will of the House.Gabs2 said:
Sadly, we are well past this argument, after Bercow overturned several centuries of precedent in how standing orders are treated.prh47bridge said:
It has been a formality for three centuries. For over a century the monarchy has kept itself out of politics. If you really think our current Queen will change that I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.Philip_Thompson said:
That's not true. It was denied in 1707.prh47bridge said:
He can't. Royal assent is a formality. It is never denied. If Boris tried to drag the Queen into politics by asking her to refuse or delay assent to this bill he will, I am quite certain, be told where to go.Philip_Thompson said:Boris should deny royal assent to the bill since the opposition have refused an election or VONC.
Let the opposition VONC him if they want assent given.
Everything is a formality until it isn't.
HMQ has always taken her ministers advise. If the privy council says to refuse assent then how and why would she approve it?
If the Privy Council says "don't assent to this" then why would HMQ assent to it?0 -
+1. Grateful for people who do number crunching and organising like this. It's really helpfulbeentheredonethat said:
Thank you for this.viewcode said:We have another two due tonight: YouGov and Panelbase, giving a total of five polls. Here is the summary.
Key:
A=previous poll, B=this poll, C=change since last poll, D=Con lead
Opinium:
A: Con32%, Lab26%, Lib15%, BXP16%
B: Con35%, Lab25%, Lib17%, BXP13%
C: Con+3%, Lab-1%, Lib+2%, BXP-3%
D 10%
Panelbase:
A: Con21%, Lab31%, Lib13%, BXP19%
B: Con31%. Lab28%, Lib19%, BXP15%
C: Co+10%, Lab-3%, Lib+6%, BXP-4%
D 3%
Survation:
A: Con31%, Lab24%, Lib21%, BXP14%
B: Con29%, Lab24%, Lib18%, BXP17%
C: Con-2%, Lab+0%, Lib-3%, BXP+3%
D 5%
YouGov:
A: Con35%, Lab25%, Lib16%, BXP11%
B: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
C: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
D ?%
Deltapoll:
A: Con35%, Lab24%, Lib18%, BXP14%
B: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
C: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
D ?%
A=previous poll, B=this poll, C=change since last poll, D=Con lead0 -
But those figures are nonsense in terms of UNS! Opinium implies 30 Tory gains from Labour offset by 13 losses to the LDs and circa 10 losses to SNP. That would take them to 324 seats - a bare effective majority still on cusp of needing DUP support.HYUFD said:
Electoral Calculus gives a Tory landslide and a Tory majority of 104 with this evening's Opinium.Gallowgate said:“The Conservatives are up 3 points to 35% of the vote, while the Brexit party is down 3 points to 13%. The Liberal Democrats are up 2 points to 17% while Labour is down 1 point to 25%.”
Tories 377
Labour 184
LDs 32
Biggest Tory win since Thatcher for Boris if true
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/cgi-bin/usercode.py?CON=35&LAB=25&LIB=17&Brexit=14&Green=3&UKIP=1&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVBrexit=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=&SCOTLAB=&SCOTLIB=&SCOTBrexit=&SCOTGreen=&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2017base0 -
It's all gender-neutral these days don't you know.surbiton19 said:
Do they have to wear uniforms like shorts and suspenders ?Barnesian said:
It might be the quorum but what is to stop say another five Privy Councillors turning up to give their advice? Normally notice has to be given of a meeting. Does the Privy Council have "Articles" or a constitution which define these matters?Philip_Thompson said:
Privy Council quorom is HMQ plus 3 Privy Councillors. In my scenario I expect it would be Jacob Rees Mogg (Lord President) and 2 others, probably PM and Secretary of State for Exiting the EU.RobD said:
In your scenario, Privy Council basically means the PM.Philip_Thompson said:
Privy Council is constitutionally how HMQ gets her advice from ministers, what do you mean by "my arse pull the other one"?nichomar said:
Privy council my arse pull the other one after last weekPhilip_Thompson said:
People were saying HMQ wouldn't approve prorogation and she did it unquestioningly.Fenman said:
Not if she has any sense. And she has.Philip_Thompson said:Fenman said:
I'm really tired of hearing this idiotic statement. The role of the Speaker is to represent the interests of Parliament and its members. He can conform to precedent or move forward as he interprets the will of the House.Gabs2 said:
Sadly, we are well past this argument, after Bercow overturned several centuries of precedent in how standing orders are treated.prh47bridge said:
It has been a formality for three centuries. For over a century the monarchy has kept itself out of politics. If you really think our current Queen will change that I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.Philip_Thompson said:
That's not true. It was denied in 1707.prh47bridge said:
He can't. Royal assent is a formality. It is never denied. If Boris tried to drag the Queen into politics by asking her to refuse or delay assent to this bill he will, I to go.Philip_Thompson said:Boris should deny royal assent to the bill since the opposition have refused an election or VONC.
Let the opposition VONC him if they want assent given.
Everything is a formality until it isn't.
HMQ has always taken her ministers advise. If the privy council says to refuse assent then how and why would she approve it?
If the Privy Council says "don't assent to this" then why would HMQ assent to it?0 -
As an iPad Pro owner, I stopped reading at “reasonably priced”.Cyclefree said:Off topic, a question for the PB Brains Trust.
What is the best reasonably priced tablet around. My iPad is now nearly 6 years old and becoming unreliable.
I use it for reading/watching stuff etc and checking up on my personal and work emails.
Should I go for another Apple product or some other brand?
And if so which?
Thanks in advance. VM me if necessary.0 -
You choose the model you want to get the answer you want no flavible projections yetjustin124 said:
But those figures are nonsense in terms of UNS! Opinium implies 30 Tory gains from Labour offset by 13 losses to the LDs and circa 10 losses to SNP. That would take them to 324 seats - a bare effective majority still on cusp of needing DUP support.HYUFD said:
Electoral Calculus gives a Tory landslide and a Tory majority of 104 with this evening's Opinium.Gallowgate said:“The Conservatives are up 3 points to 35% of the vote, while the Brexit party is down 3 points to 13%. The Liberal Democrats are up 2 points to 17% while Labour is down 1 point to 25%.”
Tories 377
Labour 184
LDs 32
Biggest Tory win since Thatcher for Boris if true
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/cgi-bin/usercode.py?CON=35&LAB=25&LIB=17&Brexit=14&Green=3&UKIP=1&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVBrexit=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=&SCOTLAB=&SCOTLIB=&SCOTBrexit=&SCOTGreen=&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2017base0 -
Its not that sort of meeting where anyone can turn up. You have to be invited and the government will choose which 3 are invited when they're giving advice.Barnesian said:
It might be the quorum but what is to stop say another five Privy Councillors turning up to give their advice? Normally notice has to be given of a meeting. Does the Privy Council have "Articles" or a constitution which define these matters?Philip_Thompson said:
Privy Council quorom is HMQ plus 3 Privy Councillors. In my scenario I expect it would be Jacob Rees Mogg (Lord President) and 2 others, probably PM and Secretary of State for Exiting the EU.RobD said:In your scenario, Privy Council basically means the PM.
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As an alternative have a look at the smaller Chromebooks. Very versatile and good value.Cyclefree said:Off topic, a question for the PB Brains Trust.
What is the best reasonably priced tablet around. My iPad is now nearly 6 years old and becoming unreliable.
I use it for reading/watching stuff etc and checking up on my personal and work emails.
Should I go for another Apple product or some other brand?
And if so which?
Thanks in advance. VM me if necessary.0 -
Of course it is possible. We know that rough frequency of the polls, because they are covered on pb.com when they are released.eek said:
I'm merely pointing out that polls are snapshots without dates it's impossible to gauge what was happening at the time.Casino_Royale said:
What's your free contribution to the site with research and effort for the benefit and interest of others with no obvious reward?eek said:
Without dates for those polls you information is worthless.viewcode said:We have another two due tonight: YouGov and Panelbase, giving a total of five polls. Here is the summary.
Key:
A=previous poll, B=this poll, C=change since last poll, D=Con lead
Opinium:
A: Con32%, Lab26%, Lib15%, BXP16%
B: Con35%, Lab25%, Lib17%, BXP13%
C: Con+3%, Lab-1%, Lib+2%, BXP-3%
D 10%
Panelbase:
A: Con21%, Lab31%, Lib13%, BXP19%
B: Con31%. Lab28%, Lib19%, BXP15%
C: Co+10%, Lab-3%, Lib+6%, BXP-4%
D 3%
Survation:
A: Con31%, Lab24%, Lib21%, BXP14%
B: Con29%, Lab24%, Lib18%, BXP17%
C: Con-2%, Lab+0%, Lib-3%, BXP+3%
D 5%
YouGov:
A: Con35%, Lab25%, Lib16%, BXP11%
B: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
C: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
D ?%
Deltapoll:
A: Con35%, Lab24%, Lib18%, BXP14%
B: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
C: Con??%, Lab??%, Lib??%, BXP??%
D ?%
A=previous poll, B=this poll, C=change since last poll, D=Con lead
Can you let us know, so we can rudely criticise as well please?
We are interpreting rather crude polling & getting a rough direction of travel. We are not measuring the Lamb shift in QED.0 -
I hope that wasn't aimed personally at me.surbiton19 said:
You mean like the Channel Islands, Isle of Man, Falklands etc. Maybe you could even hide your tax dodged money.Casino_Royale said:There is an obvious way out for Boris, but it requires cutting NI loose:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/09/could-boris-johnson-cut-northern-ireland-loose/amp/
Actually, that's a bit dramatic. It would still be part of the UK but operating under different customs and regulatory rules in certain areas, so more detached. It would allow, though, mainland GB to fully exit the single market and customs union immediately following a transition period. It's also on the table from the EU because it's what they offered in the first place.
As soon as a GE campaign is called (and parliament dissolved) he could cut the DUP loose in the hope of an overall majority, and make any such deal subject to ratification via a vote in a new NI assembly and an updated GFA.
Problems would include Scotland wanting similar treatment and it would probably stoke the independence movement there. But it would deliver a 'Deal' that most of his party could accept.0 -
So it’s load of old bollox not fit for purpose as is most of the U.K. constitutionPhilip_Thompson said:
Its not that sort of meeting where anyone can turn up. You have to be invited and the government will choose which 3 are invited when they're giving advice.Barnesian said:
It might be the quorum but what is to stop say another five Privy Councillors turning up to give their advice? Normally notice has to be given of a meeting. Does the Privy Council have "Articles" or a constitution which define these matters?Philip_Thompson said:
Privy Council quorom is HMQ plus 3 Privy Councillors. In my scenario I expect it would be Jacob Rees Mogg (Lord President) and 2 others, probably PM and Secretary of State for Exiting the EU.RobD said:In your scenario, Privy Council basically means the PM.
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I am amused by the idea of every living Privy Councillor tipping up, in uniform, to argue it out. They should be armed, and we should televise it.tpfkar said:
It's all gender-neutral these days don't you know.surbiton19 said:
Do they have to wear uniforms like shorts and suspenders ?Barnesian said:
It might be the quorum but what is to stop say another five Privy Councillors turning up to give their advice? Normally notice has to be given of a meeting. Does the Privy Council have "Articles" or a constitution which define these matters?Philip_Thompson said:
Privy Council quorom is HMQ plus 3 Privy Councillors. In my scenario I expect it would be Jacob Rees Mogg (Lord President) and 2 others, probably PM and Secretary of State for Exiting the EU.RobD said:
In your scenario, Privy Council basically means the PM.Philip_Thompson said:
Privy Council is constitutionally how HMQ gets her advice from ministers, what do you mean by "my arse pull the other one"?nichomar said:
Privy council my arse pull the other one after last weekPhilip_Thompson said:
People were saying HMQ wouldn't approve prorogation and she did it unquestioningly.Fenman said:
Not if she has any sense. And she has.Philip_Thompson said:Fenman said:
I'm really tired ofGabs2 said:
Sadly, we are well past this argument, after Bercow overturned several centuries of precedent in how standing orders are treated.prh47bridge said:
It has been a formality for threeyou.Philip_Thompson said:
That's not true. It was denied in 1707.prh47bridge said:
He can't. Royal assentPhilip_Thompson said:Boris should deny royal assent to the bill since the opposition have refused an election or VONC.
Let the opposition VONC him if they want assent given.
Everything is a formality until it isn't.
HMQ has always taken her ministers advise. If the privy council says to refuse assent then how and why would she approve it?
If the Privy Council says "don't assent to this" then why would HMQ assent to it?0 -
So it is fixed ! Worse than a cricket match.Philip_Thompson said:
Its not that sort of meeting where anyone can turn up. You have to be invited and the government will choose which 3 are invited when they're giving advice.Barnesian said:
It might be the quorum but what is to stop say another five Privy Councillors turning up to give their advice? Normally notice has to be given of a meeting. Does the Privy Council have "Articles" or a constitution which define these matters?Philip_Thompson said:
Privy Council quorom is HMQ plus 3 Privy Councillors. In my scenario I expect it would be Jacob Rees Mogg (Lord President) and 2 others, probably PM and Secretary of State for Exiting the EU.RobD said:In your scenario, Privy Council basically means the PM.
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That's why I think the NI assembly would need to vote and ratify on it.nichomar said:
But apparently that’s anti democratic because NI would have to accept EU rules without representation as they no longer have MEPsCasino_Royale said:There is an obvious way out for Boris, but it requires cutting NI loose:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/09/could-boris-johnson-cut-northern-ireland-loose/amp/
Actually, that's a bit dramatic. It would still be part of the UK but operating under different customs and regulatory rules in certain areas, so more detached. It would allow, though, mainland GB to fully exit the single market and customs union immediately following a transition period. It's also on the table from the EU because it's what they offered in the first place.
As soon as a GE campaign is called (and parliament dissolved) he could cut the DUP loose in the hope of an overall majority, and make any such deal subject to ratification via a vote in a new NI assembly and an updated GFA.
Problems would include Scotland wanting similar treatment and it would probably stoke the independence movement there. But it would deliver a 'Deal' that most of his party could accept.
It could trigger a border poll in the medium term, but not immediately.0 -
Fight scene from Anchorman, but with Privy councillorsab195 said:
I am amused by the idea of every living Privy Councillor tipping up, in uniform, to argue it out. They should be armed, and we should televise it.tpfkar said:
It's all gender-neutral these days don't you know.surbiton19 said:
Do they have to wear uniforms like shorts and suspenders ?Barnesian said:
It might be the quorum but what is to stop say another five Privy Councillors turning up to give their advice? Normally notice has to be given of a meeting. Does the Privy Council have "Articles" or a constitution which define these matters?Philip_Thompson said:
Privy Council quorom is HMQ plus 3 Privy Councillors. In my scenario I expect it would be Jacob Rees Mogg (Lord President) and 2 others, probably PM and Secretary of State for Exiting the EU.RobD said:
In your scenario, Privy Council basically means the PM.Philip_Thompson said:
Privy Council is constitutionally how HMQ gets her advice from ministers, what do you mean by "my arse pull the other one"?nichomar said:
Privy council my arse pull the other one after last weekPhilip_Thompson said:
People were saying HMQ wouldn't approve prorogation and she did it unquestioningly.Fenman said:
Not if she has any sense. And she has.Philip_Thompson said:Fenman said:
I'm really tired ofGabs2 said:
Sadly, we are well past this argument, after Bercow overturned several centuries of precedent in how standing orders are treated.prh47bridge said:
It has been a formality for threeyou.Philip_Thompson said:
That's not true. It was denied in 1707.prh47bridge said:
He can't. Royal assentPhilip_Thompson said:Boris should deny royal assent to the bill since the opposition have refused an election or VONC.
Let the opposition VONC him if they want assent given.
Everything is a formality until it isn't.
HMQ has always taken her ministers advise. If the privy council says to refuse assent then how and why would she approve it?
If the Privy Council says "don't assent to this" then why would HMQ assent to it?0 -
O/T
"One in eight Britons now on prescription opioids" (£)
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/one-in-eight-britons-now-on-prescription-opioids-8x2r2zv7g0 -
"You" here means like "one".Casino_Royale said:
I hope that wasn't aimed personally at me.surbiton19 said:
You mean like the Channel Islands, Isle of Man, Falklands etc. Maybe you could even hide your tax dodged money.Casino_Royale said:There is an obvious way out for Boris, but it requires cutting NI loose:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/09/could-boris-johnson-cut-northern-ireland-loose/amp/
Actually, that's a bit dramatic. It would still be part of the UK but operating under different customs and regulatory rules in certain areas, so more detached. It would allow, though, mainland GB to fully exit the single market and customs union immediately following a transition period. It's also on the table from the EU because it's what they offered in the first place.
As soon as a GE campaign is called (and parliament dissolved) he could cut the DUP loose in the hope of an overall majority, and make any such deal subject to ratification via a vote in a new NI assembly and an updated GFA.
Problems would include Scotland wanting similar treatment and it would probably stoke the independence movement there. But it would deliver a 'Deal' that most of his party could accept.0 -
I get that the point is to prove Brexity credentials, but if Mr Cummings is wrong about his interpretation is it a good look for the Tories to be so focused on arcane points of legal procedure and interpretation?dyedwoolie said:Sam Coates on Twitter saying Dom Cummings stated he didn't think the act imparted a legal compulsion on Boris or that it was unenforceable so hes canvassing for thoughts from lawyers to see if that's true. I think this will definitely be in the courts before Oct 19
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Yes I've had that quote floating around my head in recent days.Drutt said:"Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Commission turned round on you — where would you hide, Boris, the laws all being flat? This country's planted thick with laws from coast to coast — Benn's laws, not God's — and if you cut them down — and you're just the man to do it — d'you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Remain campaign benefit of law, for my own safety's sake."
~with apologies to Robert Bolt, and probably to Sunil who would have done this better
As has this one -
"I'll tell you what happens with impossible promises. You start with far-fetched resolutions, they're then pickled into a rigid dogma and you go on, sticking to that ... misplaced, irrelevant to the real needs and you end up in the grotesque chaos of a Tory Prime Minister, a Tory Prime Minister, threatening to break the law.
I'm telling you, no matter how entertaining, how fulfilling for the short-term ego, you can't play politics with people's jobs and people's services."
With apologies to Neil Kinnock. But pertinent given that the ERG and the BXP are today's Militant Tendency.2 -
When buying Apple stuff it's always worth checking when things were last updated at https://buyersguide.macrumors.com/ .Cyclefree said:
Thank you very much.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
I've had iPads for years, but mine was slowing down, and I've just bought a Samsung S5e Tab, which I'm really enjoying using. Excellent screen, without the Apple Tax.Cyclefree said:Off topic, a question for the PB Brains Trust.
What is the best reasonably priced tablet around. My iPad is now nearly 6 years old and becoming unreliable.
I use it for reading/watching stuff etc and checking up on my personal and work emails.
Should I go for another Apple product or some other brand?
And if so which?
Thanks in advance. VM me if necessary.
If you are looking for an IPad, Amazon have been pricing the basic one in the £250 to 299 range, or try the Apple Refurbished store, as these are often just returns or old stock at a reasonable price.
https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/refurbished/ipad
That suggests the iPad is about to be replaced so if you want one of those wait a few weeks otherwise go for the iPad air from Amazon warehouse as it's just been released but it's still not cheap
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B07NHQQ27K/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used
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If they are European lawyers then they are traitors anybody who consults with European lawyer should be strung up😀kle4 said:
I get that the point is to prove Brexity credentials, but if Mr Cummings is wrong about his interpretation is it a good look for the Tories to be so focused on arcane points of legal procedure and interpretation?dyedwoolie said:Sam Coates on Twitter saying Dom Cummings stated he didn't think the act imparted a legal compulsion on Boris or that it was unenforceable so hes canvassing for thoughts from lawyers to see if that's true. I think this will definitely be in the courts before Oct 19
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Why can't NI be an independent country ? In the EU. It will be subsidized by them. Someone has to do it. That's their birthright.Casino_Royale said:
That's why I think the NI assembly would need to vote and ratify on it.nichomar said:
But apparently that’s anti democratic because NI would have to accept EU rules without representation as they no longer have MEPsCasino_Royale said:There is an obvious way out for Boris, but it requires cutting NI loose:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/09/could-boris-johnson-cut-northern-ireland-loose/amp/
Actually, that's a bit dramatic. It would still be part of the UK but operating under different customs and regulatory rules in certain areas, so more detached. It would allow, though, mainland GB to fully exit the single market and customs union immediately following a transition period. It's also on the table from the EU because it's what they offered in the first place.
As soon as a GE campaign is called (and parliament dissolved) he could cut the DUP loose in the hope of an overall majority, and make any such deal subject to ratification via a vote in a new NI assembly and an updated GFA.
Problems would include Scotland wanting similar treatment and it would probably stoke the independence movement there. But it would deliver a 'Deal' that most of his party could accept.
It could trigger a border poll in the medium term, but not immediately.0 -
With great respect though, a Tory poll lead in the range of 3% - 10% is nowhere near the leads Labour confronted at the outset of the 2017 campaign - indeed Tory poll leads of 3% - 5% did not appear until a week or so before polling day. This data reminds me much more of what we saw in the early stages of the Februsry 1974 election.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I think the problem these polls pose for labour is they are not closing the gap when they are the main opposition. Indeed most polls show them static or dropping slightly and the local election results are appallingGallowgate said:Still no trace of this Con 40%+ that was predicted.
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Much easier to joinROIsurbiton19 said:
Why can't NI be an independent country ? In the EU. It will be subsidized by them. Someone has to do it. That's their birthright.Casino_Royale said:
That's why I think the NI assembly would need to vote and ratify on it.nichomar said:
But apparently that’s anti democratic because NI would have to accept EU rules without representation as they no longer have MEPsCasino_Royale said:There is an obvious way out for Boris, but it requires cutting NI loose:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/09/could-boris-johnson-cut-northern-ireland-loose/amp/
Actually, that's a bit dramatic. It would still be part of the UK but operating under different customs and regulatory rules in certain areas, so more detached. It would allow, though, mainland GB to fully exit the single market and customs union immediately following a transition period. It's also on the table from the EU because it's what they offered in the first place.
As soon as a GE campaign is called (and parliament dissolved) he could cut the DUP loose in the hope of an overall majority, and make any such deal subject to ratification via a vote in a new NI assembly and an updated GFA.
Problems would include Scotland wanting similar treatment and it would probably stoke the independence movement there. But it would deliver a 'Deal' that most of his party could accept.
It could trigger a border poll in the medium term, but not immediately.0 -
I’m now quite drawn to the idea. I reckon Tebbit and Prescott would emerge victorious from the melee.dyedwoolie said:
Fight scene from Anchorman, but with Privy councillorsab195 said:
I am amused by the idea of every living Privy Councillor tipping up, in uniform, to argue it out. They should be armed, and we should televise it.tpfkar said:
It's all gender-neutral these days don't you know.surbiton19 said:
Do they have to wear uniforms like shorts and suspenders ?Barnesian said:
It might be the quorum but what is to stop say another five Privy Councillors turning up to give their advice? Normally notice has to be given of a meeting. Does the Privy Council have "Articles" or a constitution which define these matters?Philip_Thompson said:
Privy Council quorom is HMQ plus 3 Privy Councillors. In my scenario I expect it would be Jacob Rees Mogg (Lord President) and 2 others, probably PM and Secretary of State for Exiting the EU.RobD said:
In your scenario, Privy Council basically means the PM.Philip_Thompson said:
Privy Council is constitutionally how HMQ gets her advice from ministers, what do you mean by "my arse pull the other one"?nichomar said:
Privy council my arse pull the other one after last weekPhilip_Thompson said:
People were saying HMQ wouldn't approve prorogation and she did it unquestioningly.Fenman said:
Not if she has any sense. And she has.Philip_Thompson said:Fenman said:
I'm really tired ofGabs2 said:
Sadly, we are well past this argument, after Bercow overturned several centuries of precedent in how standing orders are treated.prh47bridge said:
It has been a formality for threeyou.Philip_Thompson said:
That's not true. It was denied in 1707.prh47bridge said:
He can't. Royal assentPhilip_Thompson said:Boris should deny royal assent to the bill since the opposition have refused an election or VONC.
Let the opposition VONC him if they want assent given.
Everything is a formality until it isn't.
HMQ has always taken her ministers advise. If the privy council says to refuse assent then how and why would she approve it?
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Also it's worth looking at ebay as they often offer 10% off electrical items they were doing that on Thursday / Friday for sellers including Currys.eek said:
When buying Apple stuff it's always worth checking when things were last updated at https://buyersguide.macrumors.com/ .Cyclefree said:
Thank you very much.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
I've had iPads for years, but mine was slowing down, and I've just bought a Samsung S5e Tab, which I'm really enjoying using. Excellent screen, without the Apple Tax.Cyclefree said:Off topic, a question for the PB Brains Trust.
What is the best reasonably priced tablet around. My iPad is now nearly 6 years old and becoming unreliable.
I use it for reading/watching stuff etc and checking up on my personal and work emails.
Should I go for another Apple product or some other brand?
And if so which?
Thanks in advance. VM me if necessary.
If you are looking for an IPad, Amazon have been pricing the basic one in the £250 to 299 range, or try the Apple Refurbished store, as these are often just returns or old stock at a reasonable price.
https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/refurbished/ipad
That suggests the iPad is about to be replaced so if you want one of those wait a few weeks otherwise go for the iPad air from Amazon warehouse as it's just been released but it's still not cheap
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B07NHQQ27K/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used0 -
What does this even mean?CaptainBuzzkill said:Echo chamber isn't its usual Borg-like self tonight.
Looks like they realise what i've been saying all along is true.
Get yourself out and about with normal decent people and gauge the true anger at what remainer MPs are doing to our democracy.
Are you suggesting that we are not normal, decent people?
I work in manufacturing in County Durham. I interact on a daily basis with people you think seem to despise the ‘metropolitan liberal elite’.
Get your head out of your arse.1 -
It was in the 40s earlier in the year.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is some turn roundGallowgate said:Changes with May.
Only a 3 point lead over Labour. Oosh.
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I’m an Apple fanboy so feel free to ignore but the normal ‘iPad’ not the Pro or the Air is due to be upgraded within the next few weeks and is exceptional value for money. I do recommend that.Cyclefree said:Off topic, a question for the PB Brains Trust.
What is the best reasonably priced tablet around. My iPad is now nearly 6 years old and becoming unreliable.
I use it for reading/watching stuff etc and checking up on my personal and work emails.
Should I go for another Apple product or some other brand?
And if so which?
Thanks in advance. VM me if necessary.0 -
There are some that really do get on your nerves...Ed Balls and Portillo...spring to mind, but you later find yourself liking when you see them in a different light.AndyJS said:Everyone has politicians they simply don't like, often for irrational reasons. For me, it's Hilary Benn and Keir Starmer. It's funny/odd in a way, because I've always been a big fan of Tony Benn. I like reading his diaries very much.
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Genuinely thought she already had.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Heidi Allen, I assume?CarlottaVance said:0 -
Amber Rudd?kle4 said:
Genuinely thought she already had.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Heidi Allen, I assume?CarlottaVance said:
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Thank you. I'm not that fussed about it being Apple. I have a Mac which I like. I'm used to it but it's not a deal breaker. I use my iPad when not at my desk and when out and about. But if there's another tablet that does the same stuff and can sync with my phone (also Samsung) and my Mac, will be happy.eek said:
When buying Apple stuff it's always worth checking when things were last updated at https://buyersguide.macrumors.com/ .Cyclefree said:
Thank you very much.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
I've had iPads for years, but mine was slowing down, and I've just bought a Samsung S5e Tab, which I'm really enjoying using. Excellent screen, without the Apple Tax.Cyclefree said:Off topic, a question for the PB Brains Trust.
What is the best reasonably priced tablet around. My iPad is now nearly 6 years old and becoming unreliable.
I use it for reading/watching stuff etc and checking up on my personal and work emails.
Should I go for another Apple product or some other brand?
And if so which?
Thanks in advance. VM me if necessary.
If you are looking for an IPad, Amazon have been pricing the basic one in the £250 to 299 range, or try the Apple Refurbished store, as these are often just returns or old stock at a reasonable price.
https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/refurbished/ipad
That suggests the iPad is about to be replaced so if you want one of those wait a few weeks otherwise go for the iPad air from Amazon warehouse as it's just been released but it's still not cheap
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B07NHQQ27K/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used
Apple are rather dear. My iPad was a 10-year anniversary present from my employer so looking at the prices now is a bit of a revelation, TBH.0 -
Thank you.Gallowgate said:
I’m an Apple fanboy so feel free to ignore but the normal ‘iPad’ not the Pro or the Air is due to be upgraded within the next few weeks and is exceptional value for money. I do recommend that.Cyclefree said:Off topic, a question for the PB Brains Trust.
What is the best reasonably priced tablet around. My iPad is now nearly 6 years old and becoming unreliable.
I use it for reading/watching stuff etc and checking up on my personal and work emails.
Should I go for another Apple product or some other brand?
And if so which?
Thanks in advance. VM me if necessary.0 -
Labour would hold Bassetlaw even on the Opinium figures.MarqueeMark said:
His seat will be a top Tory target anyway - he was toast.GIN1138 said:
Sorry to see John Mann leaving the Commons.CarlottaVance said:0 -
I’ll leave you with a few points
We don’t know when the next election will take place
We don’t really know the battle ground on which it will be fought
I doubt if we even know who the key players will be
And nobody knows what will happen tomorrow
I’ll leave you with what I thought was yesterday’s best post para phrased, I’m afraid, from sandy rentoul ‘the U.K. are sending Prince Andrew to Mugabes funeral as a mark of respect of how high we hold him’0 -
Still a couple more polls to go and then let us see the trendkle4 said:
It was in the 40s earlier in the year.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is some turn roundGallowgate said:Changes with May.
Only a 3 point lead over Labour. Oosh.
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1170373770487500800?s=21
However, after the dreadful week Boris has had ( and I resigned) where are the signs of Corbyn and labour benefitting. None so far0 -
Like Tyson it was Ed Balls for me.AndyJS said:Everyone has politicians they simply don't like, often for irrational reasons. For me, it's Hilary Benn and Keir Starmer. It's funny/odd in a way, because I've always been a big fan of Tony Benn. I like reading his diaries very much.
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Everyone is focused on arcane points of legal procedure and interpretation.kle4 said:
I get that the point is to prove Brexity credentials, but if Mr Cummings is wrong about his interpretation is it a good look for the Tories to be so focused on arcane points of legal procedure and interpretation?dyedwoolie said:Sam Coates on Twitter saying Dom Cummings stated he didn't think the act imparted a legal compulsion on Boris or that it was unenforceable so hes canvassing for thoughts from lawyers to see if that's true. I think this will definitely be in the courts before Oct 19
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Gallowgate said:
What does this even mean?CaptainBuzzkill said:Echo chamber isn't its usual Borg-like self tonight.
Looks like they realise what i've been saying all along is true.
Get yourself out and about with normal decent people and gauge the true anger at what remainer MPs are doing to our democracy.
Are you suggesting that we are not normal, decent people?
I work in manufacturing in County Durham. I interact on a daily basis with people you think seem to despise the ‘metropolitan liberal elite’.
Get your head out of your arse.
Well said. It seems to be a revelation to some of the more ardent Boris fans on here that it is possible to be pretty pissed off at the way MPs have behaved over the last three years (and to want them to agree to an orderly withdrawal from the EU) and also be pretty cross at the idea of a Prime Minister deliberately breaking the law. But MPs' failure to come to a decision does not justify the latter.
A PM who deliberately sets out to break the law is crossing a Rubicon. If we cannot expect our legislators to understand that they are subject to the law then we are heading for very dangerous waters. Those who cheer on Boris and others in his contempt for the law should be ashamed of themselves.0 -
Very much agree with this. We're taught as children that two wrongs don't make a right, never even mind issues of proportion between the wrongs in this case, yet for the sake of political gamesmanship following the law is being treated as some incidental thing we can do without if we don't like what others are doing.Cyclefree said:Gallowgate said:
What does this even mean?CaptainBuzzkill said:Echo chamber isn't its usual Borg-like self tonight.
Looks like they realise what i've been saying all along is true.
Get yourself out and about with normal decent people and gauge the true anger at what remainer MPs are doing to our democracy.
Are you suggesting that we are not normal, decent people?
I work in manufacturing in County Durham. I interact on a daily basis with people you think seem to despise the ‘metropolitan liberal elite’.
Get your head out of your arse.
But MPs' failure to come to a decision does not justify [breaking the law]
A PM who deliberately sets out to break the law is crossing a Rubicon. If we cannot expect our legislators to understand that they are subject to the law then we are heading for very dangerous waters.0 -
All these independents and the LibDems must be a little bit tempted to formally ally in the House and freeze out the SNO from 3rd party status. Though I guess with an impending election, one way or another, it’s a bit less tempting.0
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When I was a New York earlier I bought top of the range iPhones, and Pro MacBooks and iPads to replace all our old kit...spent a county fortune...Gallowgate said:
I’m an Apple fanboy so feel free to ignore but the normal ‘iPad’ not the Pro or the Air is due to be upgraded within the next few weeks and is exceptional value for money. I do recommend that.Cyclefree said:Off topic, a question for the PB Brains Trust.
What is the best reasonably priced tablet around. My iPad is now nearly 6 years old and becoming unreliable.
I use it for reading/watching stuff etc and checking up on my personal and work emails.
Should I go for another Apple product or some other brand?
And if so which?
Thanks in advance. VM me if necessary.
I gave away my 5 year old Mac and wish I hadn't. I have gone back to using my old lightweight phone 6 and fished out my 4 year old Mini iPad....
So...my advice would be to shop on Amazon for some 2/3 year old models
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There is nothing arcane about expecting our Prime Minister to comply with the law. It is the very basis of a free country under the rule of law.Philip_Thompson said:
Everyone is focused on arcane points of legal procedure and interpretation.kle4 said:
I get that the point is to prove Brexity credentials, but if Mr Cummings is wrong about his interpretation is it a good look for the Tories to be so focused on arcane points of legal procedure and interpretation?dyedwoolie said:Sam Coates on Twitter saying Dom Cummings stated he didn't think the act imparted a legal compulsion on Boris or that it was unenforceable so hes canvassing for thoughts from lawyers to see if that's true. I think this will definitely be in the courts before Oct 19
That we cannot - apparently - expect that because some advisor with no legal training thinks otherwise is not something to be cheered.0 -
Yes (on other subjects), but the Tories are shouting loudest about it at present. And I don't think it is a good look for the other side either, I think there's far too much scrabbling around, hoping procedure can put off a decision or the courts can take away the need for MPs to make a drastic choice (eg VONC). It's cowardly.Philip_Thompson said:
Everyone is focused on arcane points of legal procedure and interpretation.kle4 said:
I get that the point is to prove Brexity credentials, but if Mr Cummings is wrong about his interpretation is it a good look for the Tories to be so focused on arcane points of legal procedure and interpretation?dyedwoolie said:Sam Coates on Twitter saying Dom Cummings stated he didn't think the act imparted a legal compulsion on Boris or that it was unenforceable so hes canvassing for thoughts from lawyers to see if that's true. I think this will definitely be in the courts before Oct 19
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Some of the Boris fans ought to speak to people who have lived in countries where "following the law is being treated as some incidental thing we can do without" and see what that means in practice.kle4 said:
Very much agree with this. We're taught as children that two wrongs don't make a right, never even mind issues of proportion between the wrongs in this case, yet for the sake of political gamesmanship following the law is being treated as some incidental thing we can do without if we don't like what others are doing.Cyclefree said:Gallowgate said:
What does this even mean?CaptainBuzzkill said:Echo chamber isn't its usual Borg-like self tonight.
Looks like they realise what i've been saying all along is true.
Get yourself out and about with normal decent people and gauge the true anger at what remainer MPs are doing to our democracy.
Are you suggesting that we are not normal, decent people?
I work in manufacturing in County Durham. I interact on a daily basis with people you think seem to despise the ‘metropolitan liberal elite’.
Get your head out of your arse.
But MPs' failure to come to a decision does not justify [breaking the law]
A PM who deliberately sets out to break the law is crossing a Rubicon. If we cannot expect our legislators to understand that they are subject to the law then we are heading for very dangerous waters.1 -
UNS has been the traditional method used when interpreting polling data. It is far from perfect, but I believe it to be more reliable than Baxter's tables.nichomar said:
You choose the model you want to get the answer you want no flavible projections yetjustin124 said:
But those figures are nonsense in terms of UNS! Opinium implies 30 Tory gains from Labour offset by 13 losses to the LDs and circa 10 losses to SNP. That would take them to 324 seats - a bare effective majority still on cusp of needing DUP support.HYUFD said:
Electoral Calculus gives a Tory landslide and a Tory majority of 104 with this evening's Opinium.Gallowgate said:“The Conservatives are up 3 points to 35% of the vote, while the Brexit party is down 3 points to 13%. The Liberal Democrats are up 2 points to 17% while Labour is down 1 point to 25%.”
Tories 377
Labour 184
LDs 32
Biggest Tory win since Thatcher for Boris if true
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/cgi-bin/usercode.py?CON=35&LAB=25&LIB=17&Brexit=14&Green=3&UKIP=1&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVBrexit=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=&SCOTLAB=&SCOTLIB=&SCOTBrexit=&SCOTGreen=&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2017base0 -
What didn’t you like? I’ve just bought an iPad Pro 11” for when I go back to University and it’s fantastic.tyson said:
When I was a New York earlier I bought top of the range iPhones, and Pro MacBooks and iPads to replace all our old kit...spent a county fortune...Gallowgate said:
I’m an Apple fanboy so feel free to ignore but the normal ‘iPad’ not the Pro or the Air is due to be upgraded within the next few weeks and is exceptional value for money. I do recommend that.Cyclefree said:Off topic, a question for the PB Brains Trust.
What is the best reasonably priced tablet around. My iPad is now nearly 6 years old and becoming unreliable.
I use it for reading/watching stuff etc and checking up on my personal and work emails.
Should I go for another Apple product or some other brand?
And if so which?
Thanks in advance. VM me if necessary.
I gave away my 5 year old Mac and wish I hadn't. I have gone back to using my old lightweight phone 6 and fished out my 4 year old Mini iPad....
So...my advice would be to shop on Amazon for some 2/3 year old models0 -
"The crisis engulfing Johnson and his government, which saw the prime minister’s brother Jo resign from the cabinet on Thursday after 21 Tory MPs were stripped of the whip, deepened further last night when the most senior MP, Kenneth Clarke, said he was thinking about voting for the Liberal Democrats at the next election and regarded a Jeremy Corbyn government as less damaging to the UK than a no-deal Brexit.
In his first newspaper interview since being stripped of the whip after almost 60 years in the Conservative party, the father of the house told the Observer that if he were starting out on his political career now, he would not choose the Tories. “If I was 20 years old and thinking which political party I was going to join … I would not join the Conservative party. I would not follow Boris Johnson in this wild, rightwing nationalist stuff,” he said."
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The new Macbook pro is crap. I've broken two keyboards already and it's a dongle-fest - forget or lose yours and you can't plug in a memory stick, a monitor, use wired internet etc. Piss poor design.Gallowgate said:
What didn’t you like? I’ve just bought an iPad Pro 11” for when I go back to University and it’s fantastic.tyson said:
When I was a New York earlier I bought top of the range iPhones, and Pro MacBooks and iPads to replace all our old kit...spent a county fortune...Gallowgate said:
I’m an Apple fanboy so feel free to ignore but the normal ‘iPad’ not the Pro or the Air is due to be upgraded within the next few weeks and is exceptional value for money. I do recommend that.Cyclefree said:Off topic, a question for the PB Brains Trust.
What is the best reasonably priced tablet around. My iPad is now nearly 6 years old and becoming unreliable.
I use it for reading/watching stuff etc and checking up on my personal and work emails.
Should I go for another Apple product or some other brand?
And if so which?
Thanks in advance. VM me if necessary.
I gave away my 5 year old Mac and wish I hadn't. I have gone back to using my old lightweight phone 6 and fished out my 4 year old Mini iPad....
So...my advice would be to shop on Amazon for some 2/3 year old models0 -
Never. She likes her ministerial car.Gallowgate said:
Amber Rudd?kle4 said:
Genuinely thought she already had.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Heidi Allen, I assume?CarlottaVance said:0 -
Sadly contempt for the law is one of the casualties to expect when MPs fail to respect the 2016 result and indeed fail to respect their own commitments when they voted for Article 50. I voted to Remain but the implication from many on here that all the evil lies on one side while all the good is on the other is pretty vomit inducing.Cyclefree said:Gallowgate said:
What does this even mean?CaptainBuzzkill said:Echo chamber isn't its usual Borg-like self tonight.
Looks like they realise what i've been saying all along is true.
Get yourself out and about with normal decent people and gauge the true anger at what remainer MPs are doing to our democracy.
Are you suggesting that we are not normal, decent people?
I work in manufacturing in County Durham. I interact on a daily basis with people you think seem to despise the ‘metropolitan liberal elite’.
Get your head out of your arse.
Well said. It seems to be a revelation to some of the more ardent Boris fans on here that it is possible to be pretty pissed off at the way MPs have behaved over the last three years (and to want them to agree to an orderly withdrawal from the EU) and also be pretty cross at the idea of a Prime Minister deliberately breaking the law. But MPs' failure to come to a decision does not justify the latter.
A PM who deliberately sets out to break the law is crossing a Rubicon. If we cannot expect our legislators to understand that they are subject to the law then we are heading for very dangerous waters. Those who cheer on Boris and others in his contempt for the law should be ashamed of themselves.
Also there is as yet no clear evidence that the PM is actually planning to disobey the law. As so often people jump in on the basis of rumour and prejudice.1 -
The difference is that the Militant Tendency didn't actually take over the Labour party. UKIP/Bxt Party have taken over the Tory party and control the UK government.Cyclefree said:
Yes I've had that quote floating around my head in recent days.Drutt said:"Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Commission turned round on you — where would you hide, Boris, the laws all being flat? This country's planted thick with laws from coast to coast — Benn's laws, not God's — and if you cut them down — and you're just the man to do it — d'you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Remain campaign benefit of law, for my own safety's sake."
~with apologies to Robert Bolt, and probably to Sunil who would have done this better
As has this one -
"I'll tell you what happens with impossible promises. You start with far-fetched resolutions, they're then pickled into a rigid dogma and you go on, sticking to that ... misplaced, irrelevant to the real needs and you end up in the grotesque chaos of a Tory Prime Minister, a Tory Prime Minister, threatening to break the law.
I'm telling you, no matter how entertaining, how fulfilling for the short-term ego, you can't play politics with people's jobs and people's services."
With apologies to Neil Kinnock. But pertinent given that the ERG and the BXP are today's Militant Tendency.1 -
If he is taking up a Government job, he is automatically disqualified as an MP.Philip_Thompson said:
Is he stepping down next election or taking the Chiltern Hundreds?GIN1138 said:
Sorry to see John Mann leaving the Commons.CarlottaVance said:
A shame that John is leaving Parliament. I ran across him politically many years ago and liked his droll sense of humour, which doesn't come across in his somewhat austere public persona. Also a good guy who always works hard for the people who voted him in.0 -
I have heard a lot of bad things about the keyboards.kyf_100 said:
The new Macbook pro is crap. I've broken two keyboards already and it's a dongle-fest - forget or lose yours and you can't plug in a memory stick, a monitor, use wired internet etc. Piss poor design.Gallowgate said:
What didn’t you like? I’ve just bought an iPad Pro 11” for when I go back to University and it’s fantastic.tyson said:
When I was a New York earlier I bought top of the range iPhones, and Pro MacBooks and iPads to replace all our old kit...spent a county fortune...Gallowgate said:
I’m an Apple fanboy so feel free to ignore but the normal ‘iPad’ not the Pro or the Air is due to be upgraded within the next few weeks and is exceptional value for money. I do recommend that.Cyclefree said:Off topic, a question for the PB Brains Trust.
What is the best reasonably priced tablet around. My iPad is now nearly 6 years old and becoming unreliable.
I use it for reading/watching stuff etc and checking up on my personal and work emails.
Should I go for another Apple product or some other brand?
And if so which?
Thanks in advance. VM me if necessary.
I gave away my 5 year old Mac and wish I hadn't. I have gone back to using my old lightweight phone 6 and fished out my 4 year old Mini iPad....
So...my advice would be to shop on Amazon for some 2/3 year old models
However wired internet and memory sticks are fringe use-cases these days!0 -
They were too heavy...and the keyboard on the Mac is annoying..I keep on making typos...Gallowgate said:
What didn’t you like? I’ve just bought an iPad Pro 11” for when I go back to University and it’s fantastic.tyson said:
When I was a New York earlier I bought top of the range iPhones, and Pro MacBooks and iPads to replace all our old kit...spent a county fortune...Gallowgate said:
I’m an Apple fanboy so feel free to ignore but the normal ‘iPad’ not the Pro or the Air is due to be upgraded within the next few weeks and is exceptional value for money. I do recommend that.Cyclefree said:Off topic, a question for the PB Brains Trust.
What is the best reasonably priced tablet around. My iPad is now nearly 6 years old and becoming unreliable.
I use it for reading/watching stuff etc and checking up on my personal and work emails.
Should I go for another Apple product or some other brand?
And if so which?
Thanks in advance. VM me if necessary.
I gave away my 5 year old Mac and wish I hadn't. I have gone back to using my old lightweight phone 6 and fished out my 4 year old Mini iPad....
So...my advice would be to shop on Amazon for some 2/3 year old models
Technology wise I am a bit on the backward side mind...
I'm still driving my Megane which is now 14 years old, and by a country mile the worst car either on my road, or at my workplace carpark...
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I don't understand on what basis Cummings has a different interpretation of the law, it seems pretty watertight to me, but if lawyers have different interpretations of the law is the latter not entitled to take it to court if they so desire?Cyclefree said:
There is nothing arcane about expecting our Prime Minister to comply with the law. It is the very basis of a free country under the rule of law.Philip_Thompson said:
Everyone is focused on arcane points of legal procedure and interpretation.kle4 said:
I get that the point is to prove Brexity credentials, but if Mr Cummings is wrong about his interpretation is it a good look for the Tories to be so focused on arcane points of legal procedure and interpretation?dyedwoolie said:Sam Coates on Twitter saying Dom Cummings stated he didn't think the act imparted a legal compulsion on Boris or that it was unenforceable so hes canvassing for thoughts from lawyers to see if that's true. I think this will definitely be in the courts before Oct 19
That we cannot - apparently - expect that because some advisor with no legal training thinks otherwise is not something to be cheered.
That is also part of a free country under the rule of law too. That is what courts are for. But I think its moot, if there is a loophole in the law Parliament will have the numbers to close it anyway.
The right place to settle this is the ballot box and it is a constitutional mess to expect a PM to implement a law he vehemently opposes that has been forced by the opposition. The opposition should become the government if they have the numbers and put the law through themselves.
That's why I think the cleanest and simplest solution is not to break the law, it is to veto the law and have the Commons VONC and put a new government in if they have the numbers to do so. Then the government implementing the law will be one that actually believes in it.1 -
Sorry, how is that the crisis "deepening"? Clarke has been cast out, he no longer has the Tory whip, if he wants to vote for Corbyn or Swinson that's completely up to him. Of course he wouldn't fit in today's Tory party - that's why he's no longer representing it. He is a Europhile wet, of course he would feel at home in the Lib Dems.WhisperingOracle said:"The crisis engulfing Johnson and his government, which saw the prime minister’s brother Jo resign from the cabinet on Thursday after 21 Tory MPs were stripped of the whip, deepened further last night when the most senior MP, Kenneth Clarke, said he was thinking about voting for the Liberal Democrats at the next election and regarded a Jeremy Corbyn government as less damaging to the UK than a no-deal Brexit.
In his first newspaper interview since being stripped of the whip after almost 60 years in the Conservative party, the father of the house told the Observer that if he were starting out on his political career now, he would not choose the Tories. “If I was 20 years old and thinking which political party I was going to join … I would not join the Conservative party. I would not follow Boris Johnson in this wild, rightwing nationalist stuff,” he said."0 -
I have never advocated breaking the law.Cyclefree said:
Some of the Boris fans ought to speak to people who have lived in countries where "following the law is being treated as some incidental thing we can do without" and see what that means in practice.kle4 said:
Very much agree with this. We're taught as children that two wrongs don't make a right, never even mind issues of proportion between the wrongs in this case, yet for the sake of political gamesmanship following the law is being treated as some incidental thing we can do without if we don't like what others are doing.Cyclefree said:Gallowgate said:
What does this even mean?CaptainBuzzkill said:Echo chamber isn't its usual Borg-like self tonight.
Looks like they realise what i've been saying all along is true.
Get yourself out and about with normal decent people and gauge the true anger at what remainer MPs are doing to our democracy.
Are you suggesting that we are not normal, decent people?
I work in manufacturing in County Durham. I interact on a daily basis with people you think seem to despise the ‘metropolitan liberal elite’.
Get your head out of your arse.
But MPs' failure to come to a decision does not justify [breaking the law]
A PM who deliberately sets out to break the law is crossing a Rubicon. If we cannot expect our legislators to understand that they are subject to the law then we are heading for very dangerous waters.
Though noteworthy that many historical luminaries like Gandhi did when they were seeking independence especially.0 -
Welcome to my world. My 15 year old Ford Fiesta is still going strong!tyson said:
They were too heavy...and the keyboard on the Mac is annoying..I keep on making typos...Gallowgate said:
What didn’t you like? I’ve just bought an iPad Pro 11” for when I go back to University and it’s fantastic.tyson said:
When I was a New York earlier I bought top of the range iPhones, and Pro MacBooks and iPads to replace all our old kit...spent a county fortune...Gallowgate said:
I’m an Apple fanboy so feel free to ignore but the normal ‘iPad’ not the Pro or the Air is due to be upgraded within the next few weeks and is exceptional value for money. I do recommend that.Cyclefree said:Off topic, a question for the PB Brains Trust.
What is the best reasonably priced tablet around. My iPad is now nearly 6 years old and becoming unreliable.
I use it for reading/watching stuff etc and checking up on my personal and work emails.
Should I go for another Apple product or some other brand?
And if so which?
Thanks in advance. VM me if necessary.
I gave away my 5 year old Mac and wish I hadn't. I have gone back to using my old lightweight phone 6 and fished out my 4 year old Mini iPad....
So...my advice would be to shop on Amazon for some 2/3 year old models
Technology wise I am a bit on the backward side mind...
I'm still driving my Megane which is now 14 years old, and by a country mile the worst car either on my road, or at my workplace carpark...0 -
Good post Philip...Philip_Thompson said:
I don't understand on what basis Cummings has a different interpretation of the law, it seems pretty watertight to me, but if lawyers have different interpretations of the law is the latter not entitled to take it to court if they so desire?Cyclefree said:
There is nothing arcane about expecting our Prime Minister to comply with the law. It is the very basis of a free country under the rule of law.Philip_Thompson said:
Everyone is focused on arcane points of legal procedure and interpretation.kle4 said:
I get that the point is to prove Brexity credentials, but if Mr Cummings is wrong about his interpretation is it a good look for the Tories to be so focused on arcane points of legal procedure and interpretation?dyedwoolie said:Sam Coates on Twitter saying Dom Cummings stated he didn't think the act imparted a legal compulsion on Boris or that it was unenforceable so hes canvassing for thoughts from lawyers to see if that's true. I think this will definitely be in the courts before Oct 19
That we cannot - apparently - expect that because some advisor with no legal training thinks otherwise is not something to be cheered.
That is also part of a free country under the rule of law too. That is what courts are for. But I think its moot, if there is a loophole in the law Parliament will have the numbers to close it anyway.
The right place to settle this is the ballot box and it is a constitutional mess to expect a PM to implement a law he vehemently opposes that has been forced by the opposition. The opposition should become the government if they have the numbers and put the law through themselves.
That's why I think the cleanest and simplest solution is not to break the law, it is to veto the law and have the Commons VONC and put a new government in if they have the numbers to do so. Then the government implementing the law will be one that actually believes in it.
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Hear hear.Cyclefree said:Gallowgate said:
What does this even mean?CaptainBuzzkill said:Echo chamber isn't its usual Borg-like self tonight.
Looks like they realise what i've been saying all along is true.
Get yourself out and about with normal decent people and gauge the true anger at what remainer MPs are doing to our democracy.
Are you suggesting that we are not normal, decent people?
I work in manufacturing in County Durham. I interact on a daily basis with people you think seem to despise the ‘metropolitan liberal elite’.
Get your head out of your arse.
Well said. It seems to be a revelation to some of the more ardent Boris fans on here that it is possible to be pretty pissed off at the way MPs have behaved over the last three years (and to want them to agree to an orderly withdrawal from the EU) and also be pretty cross at the idea of a Prime Minister deliberately breaking the law. But MPs' failure to come to a decision does not justify the latter.
A PM who deliberately sets out to break the law is crossing a Rubicon. If we cannot expect our legislators to understand that they are subject to the law then we are heading for very dangerous waters. Those who cheer on Boris and others in his contempt for the law should be ashamed of themselves.0
