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If Boris loses on Monday, the EU making an extension consequential on an election being held after the offer hed be better off taking it off the table and telling the EU no election0
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Probably quite a number of people, but President Carter fessed up.OldKingCole said:
Who was it committed adultery in his heart?PClipp said:
You can but try, Mr cole.OldKingCole said:
Can one be an adulterer without being a fornicator?TheScreamingEagles said:
So Boris Johnson is not only an adulterer he's also a fornicator!DougSeal said:
They're still married. The decree absolute hasn't been granted yet. He's technically living in sin.HYUFD said:
Boris' wife was treated for cancer after their divorce, very distasteful post from youAramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Also, leaving your wife (because you were cheating on her yet again) when she's being treated for cancer. He's a class act.CarlottaVance said:I’m not sure this is quite “priced in” and no doubt will be explored more in a GE campaign:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7198455/all-of-boris-johnsons-women-a-rundown-of-the-affairs-flings-and-love-children-left-in-the-former-foreign-secretarys-wake/
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But, but, surely the Lords can filibuster it or something?Scott_P said:
That is exactly the planSlackbladder said:Am i being stupid, but whats stopping labour saying no again? Given the bill that basically says Boris MUST call an exention then he'd be forced to resign by his own words.
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Maybe he will resign (As PM, not Leader of the Tories).Slackbladder said:
Am i being stupid, but whats stopping labour saying no again? Given the bill that basically says Boris MUST call an exention then he'd be forced to resign by his own words.Scott_P said:
Corbyn will become PM but won't be able to get anything through whatsoever (No QS). I expect the sight of Corbyn walking into 10 Downing St before an inevitable GE will fill everyone vaguely right of centre with absolubte horror.0 -
Am I one of the few who things an October election (probably the 15th as mooted) is just better?
Before the nights really start to draw in. Before the change back to GMT.
November really is a bad time to have an election, though I recognise that a pre 31st October one is now looking unlikely.0 -
Not since the FTPA, and not always historically either.Philip_Thompson said:
No he should seek an election which has been an alternative for centuries now.edmundintokyo said:
No, a post-FTPA confidence motion is a motion that says you have no confidence in the government, and the process after it passes is that someone else can try to form a government.Philip_Thompson said:
Blame the FTPA. He tabled an election motion under the FTPA and Parliament chose to reject it.
It's a post FTPA confidence motion.
If he thinks the motion he was defeated on was equivalent of a VONC, he should resign and recommend either the Leader of the Opposition, who may well be able to form a government, or another Tory like Theresa May who had the confidence of the House from the same set of MPs for a long time before she resigned of her own volition.0 -
Benn bill means he must accept if Parliament wants him to.dyedwoolie said:If Boris loses on Monday, the EU making an extension consequential on an election being held after the offer hed be better off taking it off the table and telling the EU no election
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I might be selling tickets for days 3,4, and 5 for the rest of this test.
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Benn's bill needs to be passed - anything that disrupts this Parliamentary session threatens it.Dadge said:Why doesn't Opposition vonc Boris now, take over govt, stop prorogation (why are we still proroguing anyway?), delay Brexit, and call GE on its terms?
Which is why the plan was get this Act past then move on to stage 2 (whatever that is).0 -
Why not?edmundintokyo said:
Of course it is, if you can't call an election. You don't just stay in the job until further notice.Philip_Thompson said:
Resigning isn't the consequence of a confidence loss.0 -
the harder part is cui bono ? BoJo or Farage ?kinabalu said:
Big point this. The 3m. My GE hopes for GTTO rest to a large extent on these people not bothering this time.Alanbrooke said:The risk to Labour is if Cummings can repeat his trick of getting pissed off voters who normally dont vote to turn out. Harder to do the second time of course.
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Maybe wor Dom wants a Guy Fawkes day election. The symbology would be interesting.0
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The EUs position is odd, if it is a demand then they are overplaying their hand and the British electorate will be hardened against them. 'Who the hell do they think they are' mentality will creep in0
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Corbyn wont get the confidence of the house, hes terrified of being marginalized by a caretaker and Boris taking over as LOTODadge said:Why doesn't Opposition vonc Boris now, take over govt, stop prorogation (why are we still proroguing anyway?), delay Brexit, and call GE on its terms?
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If Boris intends to stick with his claim that he will not request an extension I suspect a resignation of the type you describe is on the cards.Pulpstar said:
Maybe he will resign (As PM, not Leader of the Tories).Slackbladder said:
Am i being stupid, but whats stopping labour saying no again? Given the bill that basically says Boris MUST call an exention then he'd be forced to resign by his own words.Scott_P said:
Corbyn will become PM but won't be able to get anything through whatsoever (No QS). I expect the sight of Corbyn walking into 10 Downing St before an inevitable GE will fill everyone vaguely right of centre with absolubte horror.0 -
Keep the bantz coming BritainScott_P said:0 -
Yeah me too. A Johnson majority government.kinabalu said:
I'm not a big fan of the public but I would baulk at stupid.Anabobazina said:Do you really think the public are that stupid? Saddening if you are right.
I'd more say shallow, intellectually lazy, and apolitical.
Thus prone to be attracted to 'simple' and 'entertaining' over something more challenging.
Johnson could benefit big time from this. I think he probably will.0 -
At this point the opposition should just put Corbyn in and send him off to change the PD into Norway then pass it subject to a referendum. They've got the votes now with all those ex-Tories. Defuse the whole "get it over with" thing, make the *Tory* vote the one for keeping brexit indecision going forever.0
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But will this mean JRM loses money? I wouldn't like to think off that happening to him!CarlottaVance said:Good news for Big_G,
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How do those dates work.TheScreamingEagles said:
28th November and 5th December just about make sense but the others don't0 -
The subsection of the electorate likely to be upset by it already have hard enough views. Predictions that the rest of the country would join them in indignation have often been made since 2016, and never come true.dyedwoolie said:The EUs position is odd, if it is a demand then they are overplaying their hand and the British electorate will be hardened against them. 'Who the hell do they think they are' mentality will creep in
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Don't be silly @edmundintokyo, noone is looking for a moderate way out. For 99% of twitter it's remain or dieedmundintokyo said:At this point the opposition should just put Corbyn in and send him off to change the PD into Norway then pass it subject to a referendum. They've got the votes now with all those ex-Tories. Defuse the whole "get it over with" thing, make the *Tory* vote the one for keeping Brexit indecision going forever.
*Edit - Note that is "subject to a referendum" which would work too at the moment and probably acceptable to the FBPE lot. Right now they don't care about that though, right now the game in town is to attempt to tank Johnson's poll ratings by making him sign the extension letter.0 -
Only the extension, the EU can't demand an election as a condition. If Boris were to say there will be no election, the EU might decline to offer an extension at all.Gallowgate said:
Benn bill means he must accept if Parliament wants him to.dyedwoolie said:If Boris loses on Monday, the EU making an extension consequential on an election being held after the offer hed be better off taking it off the table and telling the EU no election
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Who knows.Slackbladder said:
Thats what i thought.Scott_P said:
That is exactly the planSlackbladder said:Am i being stupid, but whats stopping labour saying no again? Given the bill that basically says Boris MUST call an exention then he'd be forced to resign by his own words.
But what happens then?? Who the f-knows. corbyn gets to be PM I guess?
Maybe Corbyn gets first try and fails (Swinson against). Then maybe Ken Clarke?0 -
I don’t think the EU would make such a demand.dyedwoolie said:
Only the extension, the EU can't demand an election as a condition. If Boris were to say there will be no election, the EU might decline to offer an extension at all.Gallowgate said:
Benn bill means he must accept if Parliament wants him to.dyedwoolie said:If Boris loses on Monday, the EU making an extension consequential on an election being held after the offer hed be better off taking it off the table and telling the EU no election
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Phil Hammond.logical_song said:
Who knows.Slackbladder said:
Thats what i thought.Scott_P said:
That is exactly the planSlackbladder said:Am i being stupid, but whats stopping labour saying no again? Given the bill that basically says Boris MUST call an exention then he'd be forced to resign by his own words.
But what happens then?? Who the f-knows. corbyn gets to be PM I guess?
Maybe Corbyn gets first try and fails (Swinson against). Then maybe Ken Clarke?0 -
Agreed. Whilst the EU dictating GE timing will not stop Remainer MPs fawning over Brussels it will make it easier for Cummings to motivate voters for Boris.dyedwoolie said:The EUs position is odd, if it is a demand then they are overplaying their hand and the British electorate will be hardened against them. 'Who the hell do they think they are' mentality will creep in
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The EU haven't tried to tell a member nation it must hold elections beforewilliamglenn said:
The subsection of the electorate likely to be upset by it already have hard enough views. Predictions that the rest of the country would join them in indignation have often been made since 2016, and never come true.dyedwoolie said:The EUs position is odd, if it is a demand then they are overplaying their hand and the British electorate will be hardened against them. 'Who the hell do they think they are' mentality will creep in
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You are learning.Pulpstar said:
Don't be silly @edmundintokyo, noone is looking for a moderate way out. For 99% of twitter it's remain or dieedmundintokyo said:At this point the opposition should just put Corbyn in and send him off to change the PD into Norway then pass it subject to a referendum. They've got the votes now with all those ex-Tories. Defuse the whole "get it over with" thing, make the *Tory* vote the one for keeping Brexit indecision going forever.
*Edit - Note that is "subject to a referendum" which would work too at the moment and probably acceptable to the FBPE lot. Right now they don't care about that though, right now the game in town is to attempt to tank Johnson's poll ratings by making him sign the extension letter.
Slowly.
But you are learning.0 -
7th or later hopefully. One of mine comes of age on 6thTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Kissing hands settles the Betfair market !logical_song said:
Who knows.Slackbladder said:
Thats what i thought.Scott_P said:
That is exactly the planSlackbladder said:Am i being stupid, but whats stopping labour saying no again? Given the bill that basically says Boris MUST call an exention then he'd be forced to resign by his own words.
But what happens then?? Who the f-knows. corbyn gets to be PM I guess?
Maybe Corbyn gets first try and fails (Swinson against). Then maybe Ken Clarke?0 -
No, but they are working with Starmer who can force an election.dyedwoolie said:
Only the extension, the EU can't demand an election as a condition. If Boris were to say there will be no election, the EU might decline to offer an extension at all.Gallowgate said:
Benn bill means he must accept if Parliament wants him to.dyedwoolie said:If Boris loses on Monday, the EU making an extension consequential on an election being held after the offer hed be better off taking it off the table and telling the EU no election
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Because the House doesn't have confidence in you, and your sole claim to being Prime Minister rests in having the confidence of the House. Meanwhile there are several people who, given a chance to test it, *may* have the confidence of the House.Philip_Thompson said:
Why not?edmundintokyo said:
Of course it is, if you can't call an election. You don't just stay in the job until further notice.Philip_Thompson said:
Resigning isn't the consequence of a confidence loss.0 -
Blackford?logical_song said:
Who knows.Slackbladder said:
Thats what i thought.Scott_P said:
That is exactly the planSlackbladder said:Am i being stupid, but whats stopping labour saying no again? Given the bill that basically says Boris MUST call an exention then he'd be forced to resign by his own words.
But what happens then?? Who the f-knows. corbyn gets to be PM I guess?
Maybe Corbyn gets first try and fails (Swinson against). Then maybe Ken Clarke?0 -
Ken Clarke as caretaker leader seems a good answer to your objections.dyedwoolie said:
Corbyn wont get the confidence of the house, hes terrified of being marginalized by a caretaker and Boris taking over as LOTODadge said:Why doesn't Opposition vonc Boris now, take over govt, stop prorogation (why are we still proroguing anyway?), delay Brexit, and call GE on its terms?
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logical_song said:
Who knows.Slackbladder said:
Thats what i thought.Scott_P said:
That is exactly the planSlackbladder said:Am i being stupid, but whats stopping labour saying no again? Given the bill that basically says Boris MUST call an exention then he'd be forced to resign by his own words.
But what happens then?? Who the f-knows. corbyn gets to be PM I guess?
Maybe Corbyn gets first try and fails (Swinson against). Then maybe Ken Clarke?
Would a Ken-Harriet dream ticket command the confidence of the house?
319 or so required?
It might you know.
It just might.0 -
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Correct. It means one is almost certain to be granted though, which makes a Brexit this year (in betting terms) a very attractive lay now.dyedwoolie said:
Tgats going to harden the Brexiteer vote, the EU demanding 'regime change'Harris_Tweed said:I appreciate BJ would hardly be expecting the Commission to chuck him a bone.. but this must hardly be welcome given the current legislative situation here..
https://twitter.com/TelePolitics/status/11696224987381473340 -
That the game right now isn't really about leave or remain but trying to humiliate JohnsonAnabobazina said:
You are learning.Pulpstar said:
Don't be silly @edmundintokyo, noone is looking for a moderate way out. For 99% of twitter it's remain or dieedmundintokyo said:At this point the opposition should just put Corbyn in and send him off to change the PD into Norway then pass it subject to a referendum. They've got the votes now with all those ex-Tories. Defuse the whole "get it over with" thing, make the *Tory* vote the one for keeping Brexit indecision going forever.
*Edit - Note that is "subject to a referendum" which would work too at the moment and probably acceptable to the FBPE lot. Right now they don't care about that though, right now the game in town is to attempt to tank Johnson's poll ratings by making him sign the extension letter.
Slowly.
But you are learning.
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Believe it or not, he’s someone I used to respect, and i believe he was also respected across the House. Mhairi Black was even very complimentary about him.Stark_Dawning said:
I think this is the week when the Rees-Mogg magic truly died.CarlottaVance said:JRM’s Wakefield jibe is getting coverage:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7431519/Rees-Mogg-brands-NHS-consultant-neurologist-irresponsible-anti-vac-doctor-Andrew-Wakefield.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jacob-rees-mogg-brexit-no-deal-doctor-david-nicholl-andrew-wakefield-anti-vaxx-a9092996.html
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jacob-rees-mogg-compares-author-19568850
I’m astonished at how he’s turned out.0 -
Yes, this is exactly right. People have been making short termist decisions for three years. But what will happen is we will have a hard right party that is as against the EU as the SNP is against the UK, and a far left party completely hostile to anyone of the wrong tribe.Yellow_Submarine said:If we must have Conservative MPs we should want them to be like Jo Johnson. The kind of people who are now voluntarily leaving the Conservative Party will reshape it and in due course the nation.
If we must have Labour MPs we should want them to be like Luciana Berger. The fact that today she's ended up in the Liberal Democrats simply due to institutional antisemeticism is appalling.
With our highly centralised democracy and FPTP Labour and Conservative parties are at least part of the social fabric and perhaps de facto organs of state. They are both in deep trouble with no sign ( outside Scotland ) of the free market generating a replacement.
This is why it is so critical the Liberal Democrats do well at the next election.0 -
And who will be in his cabinet? What programme of government will he be following? Boris will be LOTO, what is Corbyns position? Blackford loses his 3 questions, they go to Corbyn. Will HMQ appoint a leader just to pass am extension and call an election?Dadge said:
Ken Clarke as caretaker leader seems a good answer to your objections.dyedwoolie said:
Corbyn wont get the confidence of the house, hes terrified of being marginalized by a caretaker and Boris taking over as LOTODadge said:Why doesn't Opposition vonc Boris now, take over govt, stop prorogation (why are we still proroguing anyway?), delay Brexit, and call GE on its terms?
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It’s paywalled so I can’t see who the Telegraph is saying is responsible for the claim but as it’s “Brussels” it might be chaps in the bars near the Berlaymont - I very much doubt any official would be on the record saying that.Gallowgate said:
I don’t think the EU would make such a demand.dyedwoolie said:
Only the extension, the EU can't demand an election as a condition. If Boris were to say there will be no election, the EU might decline to offer an extension at all.Gallowgate said:
Benn bill means he must accept if Parliament wants him to.dyedwoolie said:If Boris loses on Monday, the EU making an extension consequential on an election being held after the offer hed be better off taking it off the table and telling the EU no election
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It’s about securing Benn AND humiliating the odious Johnson. Two birds, one stone.0 -
I'm basing it on the article which says they will. I am dubiousGallowgate said:
I don’t think the EU would make such a demand.dyedwoolie said:
Only the extension, the EU can't demand an election as a condition. If Boris were to say there will be no election, the EU might decline to offer an extension at all.Gallowgate said:
Benn bill means he must accept if Parliament wants him to.dyedwoolie said:If Boris loses on Monday, the EU making an extension consequential on an election being held after the offer hed be better off taking it off the table and telling the EU no election
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Worth looking back a few weeks and remembering that Ken and Harriet have already agreed to such a plan...Dadge said:
Ken Clarke as caretaker leader seems a good answer to your objections.dyedwoolie said:
Corbyn wont get the confidence of the house, hes terrified of being marginalized by a caretaker and Boris taking over as LOTODadge said:Why doesn't Opposition vonc Boris now, take over govt, stop prorogation (why are we still proroguing anyway?), delay Brexit, and call GE on its terms?
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This should be the death knell for an October election - no one is voting for it until an extension actually takes effect (not just the bill becoming law)
https://mobile.twitter.com/GlennBBC/status/1169614147811758080?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1169614147811758080&ref_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-495908380 -
For the lot ?TheScreamingEagles said:I might be selling tickets for days 3,4, and 5 for the rest of this test.
£10 ono
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We had all the same noises before March about how an extension request would have to have a strong justification like an election or second referendum.dyedwoolie said:
The EU haven't tried to tell a member nation it must hold elections beforewilliamglenn said:
The subsection of the electorate likely to be upset by it already have hard enough views. Predictions that the rest of the country would join them in indignation have often been made since 2016, and never come true.dyedwoolie said:The EUs position is odd, if it is a demand then they are overplaying their hand and the British electorate will be hardened against them. 'Who the hell do they think they are' mentality will creep in
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If nobody clearly has confidence then the law is we have an election to sort it out. Let the several others either demonstrate a majority or agree to an election.edmundintokyo said:
Because the House doesn't have confidence in you, and your sole claim to being Prime Minister rests in having the confidence of the House. Meanwhile there are several people who, given a chance to test it, *may* have the confidence of the House.Philip_Thompson said:
Why not?edmundintokyo said:
Of course it is, if you can't call an election. You don't just stay in the job until further notice.Philip_Thompson said:
Resigning isn't the consequence of a confidence loss.0 -
Is it Bruno Waterfield because he has a senior EU source who says all kinds of really weird things - I think their relationship may involve mescaline.CarlottaVance said:
It’s paywalled so I can’t see who the Telegraph is saying is responsible for the claim but as it’s “Brussels” it might be chaps in the bars near the Berlaymont - I very much doubt any official would be on the record saying that.0 -
Yes it woulddyedwoolie said:If Boris loses on Monday, the EU making an extension consequential on an election being held after the offer hed be better off taking it off the table and telling the EU no election
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Perhaps it's a report phoned in by their erstwhile Brussels correspondent ?CarlottaVance said:
It’s paywalled so I can’t see who the Telegraph is saying is responsible for the claim but as it’s “Brussels” it might be chaps in the bars near the Berlaymont - I very much doubt any official would be on the record saying that.Gallowgate said:
I don’t think the EU would make such a demand.dyedwoolie said:
Only the extension, the EU can't demand an election as a condition. If Boris were to say there will be no election, the EU might decline to offer an extension at all.Gallowgate said:
Benn bill means he must accept if Parliament wants him to.dyedwoolie said:If Boris loses on Monday, the EU making an extension consequential on an election being held after the offer hed be better off taking it off the table and telling the EU no election
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The EU have negotiated a deal. A deal that is this far and no further. If you don't agree this deal then it will be a no-deal brexit. They have always been clear on this. They have not changed their stance at all.dyedwoolie said:The EUs position is odd, if it is a demand then they are overplaying their hand and the British electorate will be hardened against them. 'Who the hell do they think they are' mentality will creep in
There is no "overplaying the hand" there is no "once they realise that the UK means no-deal then the EU will capitulate", this is not a game of poker.
Why haven't you got this yet?
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Yeah, the fact that Stokes and YJB have or are on the verge of breaking down might be a tough sell.Nigelb said:
For the lot ?TheScreamingEagles said:I might be selling tickets for days 3,4, and 5 for the rest of this test.
£10 ono
Day 5 might be a tough sell at this point.
Christ it is cold here.0 -
You talking about cricket, or the public gallery in the Commons?TheScreamingEagles said:I might be selling tickets for days 3,4, and 5 for the rest of this test.
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Not HMQ's business. As far as the rest of the questions are concerned, they're all capable of being dealt with.dyedwoolie said:
And who will be in his cabinet? What programme of government will he be following? Boris will be LOTO, what is Corbyns position? Blackford loses his 3 questions, they go to Corbyn. Will HMQ appoint a leader just to pass am extension and call an election?Dadge said:
Ken Clarke as caretaker leader seems a good answer to your objections.dyedwoolie said:
Corbyn wont get the confidence of the house, hes terrified of being marginalized by a caretaker and Boris taking over as LOTODadge said:Why doesn't Opposition vonc Boris now, take over govt, stop prorogation (why are we still proroguing anyway?), delay Brexit, and call GE on its terms?
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As I predicted at the start of year, the net effect of the crass dickheadery of the ERG will be either a softer Brexit (if they’re lucky) or No Brexit.edmundintokyo said:At this point the opposition should just put Corbyn in and send him off to change the PD into Norway then pass it subject to a referendum. They've got the votes now with all those ex-Tories. Defuse the whole "get it over with" thing, make the *Tory* vote the one for keeping brexit indecision going forever.
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Is the PM taking soundings to determine who may command a majority? Because that's what his job is, if he really thinks he's lost a confidence vote.Philip_Thompson said:
If nobody clearly has confidence then the law is we have an election to sort it out. Let the several others either demonstrate a majority or agree to an election.
Of course he doesn't really think he's lost a confidence vote, it's just a powerplay.0 -
And if he resigns one minute to eleven on the 31st October? The incoming PM - whoever that is - will have to cope with No Deal Brexit.Slackbladder said:
Am i being stupid, but whats stopping labour saying no again? Given the bill that basically says Boris MUST call an exention then he'd be forced to resign by his own words.Scott_P said:
And how Boris and Cummins would laugh......0 -
I doubt they’re saying that now.dyedwoolie said:
The EU haven't tried to tell a member nation it must hold elections beforewilliamglenn said:
The subsection of the electorate likely to be upset by it already have hard enough views. Predictions that the rest of the country would join them in indignation have often been made since 2016, and never come true.dyedwoolie said:The EUs position is odd, if it is a demand then they are overplaying their hand and the British electorate will be hardened against them. 'Who the hell do they think they are' mentality will creep in
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Is the FTPA more or less evil than VAR?0
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As HMQ has to appoint him very much her business. Remember after 2010 election she needed assurances of the stability of the proposed government, she would need some idea of what is being proposed to appoint someone with no party as PM on the nod of a divided parliament. There are constitutional issues here.Dadge said:
Not HMQ's business. As far as the rest of the questions are concerned, they're all capable of being dealt with.dyedwoolie said:
And who will be in his cabinet? What programme of government will he be following? Boris will be LOTO, what is Corbyns position? Blackford loses his 3 questions, they go to Corbyn. Will HMQ appoint a leader just to pass am extension and call an election?Dadge said:
Ken Clarke as caretaker leader seems a good answer to your objections.dyedwoolie said:
Corbyn wont get the confidence of the house, hes terrified of being marginalized by a caretaker and Boris taking over as LOTODadge said:Why doesn't Opposition vonc Boris now, take over govt, stop prorogation (why are we still proroguing anyway?), delay Brexit, and call GE on its terms?
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I doubt they’re saying that now.dyedwoolie said:
The EU haven't tried to tell a member nation it must hold elections beforewilliamglenn said:
The subsection of the electorate likely to be upset by it already have hard enough views. Predictions that the rest of the country would join them in indignation have often been made since 2016, and never come true.dyedwoolie said:The EUs position is odd, if it is a demand then they are overplaying their hand and the British electorate will be hardened against them. 'Who the hell do they think they are' mentality will creep in
No, it’s not him.edmundintokyo said:
Is it Bruno Waterfield because he has a senior EU source who says all kinds of really weird things - I think their relationship may involve mescaline.CarlottaVance said:
It’s paywalled so I can’t see who the Telegraph is saying is responsible for the claim but as it’s “Brussels” it might be chaps in the bars near the Berlaymont - I very much doubt any official would be on the record saying that.0 -
Legal question: where in the Fixed Term Parliament Act does it state that only the LOTO can bring forward a VONC? I can’t see anything.
Therefore conceivably Boris could try and VONC himself and then prorogue parliament therefore preventing another government from being formed?0 -
It feels like Boris' best choice is to stay on for PM as long as possible, put as many populist bills forward between now and the last date he can, fight a legal challenge on not sending the latter, then resigning with an explosive resignation letter to HM at the last possible moment. Resigning as PM but staying on as Tory leader.0
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I think it's a standing order issue. A VONC by the leader of the opposition has priority over all other business.Gallowgate said:Legal question: where in the Fixed Term Parliament Act does it state that only the LOTO can bring forward a VONC? I can’t see anything.
Therefore conceivably Boris could try and VONC himself and then prorogue parliament therefore preventing another government from being formed?0 -
So far the Battle of Ipsus has developed in a way not necessarily to the Prime Minister's advantage.0
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Ah. Thank you. So nothing stopping Boris from doing the above?RobD said:
I think it's a standing order issue. A VONC by the leader of the opposition has priority over all other business.Gallowgate said:Legal question: where in the Fixed Term Parliament Act does it state that only the LOTO can bring forward a VONC? I can’t see anything.
Therefore conceivably Boris could try and VONC himself and then prorogue parliament therefore preventing another government from being formed?0 -
40% is not on the cards.Casino_Royale said:The challenge for any GE is how Boris dissolves (or does not) during the campaign.
Remember what happened to Theresa May. And Boris isn’t exactly renowned for putting himself front and centre of debates either.
I would take any opinion poll with a pinch of salt. Public opinions are very volatile.
The Tories could get 20% or 40%.0 -
That would be ultra bantz squared.OldKingCole said:
Blackford?logical_song said:
Who knows.Slackbladder said:
Thats what i thought.Scott_P said:
That is exactly the planSlackbladder said:Am i being stupid, but whats stopping labour saying no again? Given the bill that basically says Boris MUST call an exention then he'd be forced to resign by his own words.
But what happens then?? Who the f-knows. corbyn gets to be PM I guess?
Maybe Corbyn gets first try and fails (Swinson against). Then maybe Ken Clarke?0 -
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And the Act doesn't say 14 sitting days!Gallowgate said:
Ah. Thank you. So nothing stopping Boris from doing the above?RobD said:
I think it's a standing order issue. A VONC by the leader of the opposition has priority over all other business.Gallowgate said:Legal question: where in the Fixed Term Parliament Act does it state that only the LOTO can bring forward a VONC? I can’t see anything.
Therefore conceivably Boris could try and VONC himself and then prorogue parliament therefore preventing another government from being formed?0 -
If he's lost a confidence vote, the the FTPA says there's 14 days for another confidence vote. if not election time.edmundintokyo said:
Is the PM taking soundings to determine who may command a majority? Because that's what his job is, if he really thinks he's lost a confidence vote.Philip_Thompson said:
If nobody clearly has confidence then the law is we have an election to sort it out. Let the several others either demonstrate a majority or agree to an election.
Of course he doesn't really think he's lost a confidence vote, it's just a powerplay.
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I think that's smart tactics from No 10, the Benn bill will have RA by that point so Corbyn (Not Starmer !) objection last time round is fulfilled.Scott_P said:
If Johnson doesn't get the 434 votes, he either goes long, resigns or awaits a VONC from Corbyn.0 -
And corbyn can also just sit back and wait for Boris to have to grovel for an extention.Pulpstar said:
I think that's smart tactics from No 10, the Benn bill will have RA by that point so Corbyn (Not Starmer !) objection last time round is fulfilled.Scott_P said:
If Johnson doesn't get the 434 votes, he either goes long, resigns or awaits a VONC from Corbyn.0 -
I think if he loses Monday, they try the one-line, simple majority thingPulpstar said:I think that's smart tactics from No 10, the Benn bill will have RA by that point so Corbyn (Not Starmer !) objection last time round is fulfilled.
If Johnson doesn't get the 434 votes, he either goes long, resigns or awaits a VONC from Corbyn.0 -
Re the Opposition fear that Boris wont follow the law, if they truly believe that that must VONC Monday knowing he will lose and be removed and be unable to break the law0
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Cummings is leaving at the end of October (he’s delayed surgery to get Brexit done).....Casino_Royale said:This should be the death knell for an October election - no one is voting for it until an extension actually takes effect (not just the bill becoming law)
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All part of the plan.Scott_P said:0 -
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The story is hardly surprising. That it’s in the Telegraph is.0 -
Ah. I’d suggest he gets the surgery done.CarlottaVance said:
Cummings is leaving at the end of October (he’s delayed surgery to get Brexit done).....Casino_Royale said:This should be the death knell for an October election - no one is voting for it until an extension actually takes effect (not just the bill becoming law)
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Quite right. It's Arthur Balfour time for Boris. He can only hope for a better result.Casino_Royale said:This should be the death knell for an October election - no one is voting for it until an extension actually takes effect (not just the bill becoming law)
https://mobile.twitter.com/GlennBBC/status/1169614147811758080?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1169614147811758080&ref_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-495908380 -
Well quite. It's got nothing to do with a lack of trust in him unless you're being deliberately thick or deliberately stupid.dyedwoolie said:Re the Opposition fear that Boris wont follow the law, if they truly believe that that must VONC Monday knowing he will lose and be removed and be unable to break the law
The EU will extend anyway even if he doesn't send any letter I reckon.0 -
Would love a 5th November general election!TheScreamingEagles said: 0 -
There's a legitimate problem that there are also potential shenanigans regarding getting a replacement in place and/or scheduling an election, which is a process that his team has previously suggested they will abuse.dyedwoolie said:Re the Opposition fear that Boris wont follow the law, if they truly believe that that must VONC Monday knowing he will lose and be removed and be unable to break the law
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Paine out first ball after tea.0
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https://twitter.com/GlennBBC/status/1169634489192132609
before flat out denying it.
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So long as he is PM he's subject to the law of the land election period or not.edmundintokyo said:
There's a legitimate problem that there are also potential shenanigans regarding getting a replacement in place and/or scheduling an election, which is a process that his team has previously suggested they will abuse.dyedwoolie said:Re the Opposition fear that Boris wont follow the law, if they truly believe that that must VONC Monday knowing he will lose and be removed and be unable to break the law
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