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I have a slight fear that the HS2 enquiry will result in no change (look who is leading it), but I suppose it will be politically influenced really, and if Boris wants some of that money for other projects, he will plunder it. Wouldn't be the first time the right decision has been made for the wrong reasons.

Brom said:

Gardenwalker said:

Brom said:

CarlottaVance said:

You know that "invest in infrastructure with bond prices so low" idea.....

https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1164104166417031168?s=20

Hopefully no go. Improving rail links from Hull to Liverpool should be the government priority.

Why not both?

Cost and time. Improving rail links across the North would have a wider impact IMO than improving connections to London from the North. Hull to Liverpool is around the same distance as London to Birmingham yet suffers from an inadequate, slow, overpriced rail service. I'd sooner a Northern powerhouse than further increase the brain drain to London.

Actually, investing in proper metros for the Top 12 (minus London) cities would have the biggest boost on growth.

Economic growth in 2019 is largely about urban growth.

Urban growth is highly correlated with labour catchment.

Labour catchment is largely about effective metro systems.

Like Eisenhower’s Highways Act, we need a Johnson Modern Metros Bill.

My quick take on the Kantar poll:
1. The Tory vote share is way higher than it has been in any other poll. However ...
2. The broad No Deal/anti-No Deal bloc sizes are in line with all other polls (slightly higher for No Deal, but only slightly). So ...
3. It is a perfectly credible poll.

CarlottaVance said:

More in that Kantar poll:

Which of the following scenarios do you favour most?
Leave No Deal: 23
Leave TM Deal: 9
Leave but stay in SM/CU: 13
Remain/Revoke A50: 33
DK: 22

Should the final deal be put to public vote:
Yes: 52
No: 29
DK: 19

How likely Leave by Oct 31?
Net Likely: 46
Net Unlikely: 35
DK: 19

That “public vote” split is an eye opener.

CatMan said:

Errrrr

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1164108955339120641?s=20

Go Boris!!!!!!

SouthamObserver said:

My quick take on the Kantar poll:
1. The Tory vote share is way higher than it has been in any other poll. However ...
2. The broad No Deal/anti-No Deal bloc sizes are in line with all other polls (slightly higher for No Deal, but only slightly). So ...
3. It is a perfectly credible poll.

Agreed, but the Brexit number looks ridiculous when comparing with historic UKIP performance.

tlg86 said:

Gardenwalker said:

CarlottaVance said:

More in that Kantar poll:

Which of the following scenarios do you favour most?
Leave No Deal: 23
Leave TM Deal: 9
Leave but stay in SM/CU: 13
Remain/Revoke A50: 33
DK: 22

Should the final deal be put to public vote:
Yes: 52
No: 29
DK: 19

How likely Leave by Oct 31?
Net Likely: 46
Net Unlikely: 35
DK: 19

That “public vote” split is an eye opener.

Does it say what the alternative to the deal is?

Remain/Revoke 33
EFTA+/May’s Deal 22
No Deal 23

As we see, Leaving with a Deal is probably the median opinion, but Leaving with a Deal is also the least favourite option.

Gardenwalker said:

tlg86 said:

Gardenwalker said:

CarlottaVance said:

More in that Kantar poll:

Which of the following scenarios do you favour most?
Leave No Deal: 23
Leave TM Deal: 9
Leave but stay in SM/CU: 13
Remain/Revoke A50: 33
DK: 22

Should the final deal be put to public vote:
Yes: 52
No: 29
DK: 19

How likely Leave by Oct 31?
Net Likely: 46
Net Unlikely: 35
DK: 19

That “public vote” split is an eye opener.

Does it say what the alternative to the deal is?

Remain/Revoke 33
EFTA+/May’s Deal 22
No Deal 23

As we see, Leaving with a Deal is probably the median opinion, but Leaving with a Deal is also the least favourite option.

The question is, if a deal isn't possible, how the 22% supporting a deal split between Remain/Revoke and No Deal.

My parents live in Wigan. Ignoring price, how to they get to Glasgow, Birmingham or London quickly and efficiently? Train every time.
To Liverpool, Leeds or Hull? Car no question. It is why the M62 is creaking to breaking point. A cross Pennine fast rail link is decades overdue.

https://twitter.com/whatukthinks/status/1164116972541534208?s=20

dixiedean said:

My parents live in Wigan. Ignoring price, how to they get to Glasgow, Birmingham or London quickly and efficiently? Train every time.
To Liverpool, Leeds or Hull? Car no question. It is why the M62 is creaking to breaking point. A cross Pennine fast rail link is decades overdue.

Not disagreeing with the idea of improved transpennine rail links, surely the M62 isn't too much of a problem if your parents are still choosing the car.

GIN1138 said:

CatMan said:

Errrrr

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1164108955339120641?s=20

Go Boris!!!!!!

Extraordinary. Perhaps Boris has indeed tapped into something deep and ancient within the British psyche. Was SeanT correct when he speculated, under Theresa's regime, that the Tories would become the ANC of British politics - in power for ever as reward for the sense of liberty they bequeathed a nation?

Gardenwalker said:

tlg86 said:

Gardenwalker said:

CarlottaVance said:

More in that Kantar poll:

Which of the following scenarios do you favour most?
Leave No Deal: 23
Leave TM Deal: 9
Leave but stay in SM/CU: 13
Remain/Revoke A50: 33
DK: 22

Should the final deal be put to public vote:
Yes: 52
No: 29
DK: 19

How likely Leave by Oct 31?
Net Likely: 46
Net Unlikely: 35
DK: 19

That “public vote” split is an eye opener.

Does it say what the alternative to the deal is?

Remain/Revoke 33
EFTA+/May’s Deal 22
No Deal 23

As we see, Leaving with a Deal is probably the median opinion, but Leaving with a Deal is also the least favourite option.

Since we're adding things together:

Leave: 45
Remain: 33

williamglenn said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

TOPPING said:

Philip_Thompson said:

I don't think the UK is as bothered as Ireland by a hard border.

A plausible scenario is:

Hard border = resurgence of terrorist activity = need for British troops to protect border posts and officials.

At the height of Op Banner there were 40,000-odd forces on the ground sent by the UK government (HMF, plus UDR plus RUC).

Those days are gone. The army is now around 80,000 strong so to replicate the Op Banner manning would take the entire British army. Leaving no wiggle room for quelling any troublesome middle Eastern dictators or a pesky Russia for example.

We simply could not cope.

The proposed border installations and personnel would be Republic of Ireland border installations and personnel. Whilst I am sure we would be supportive in any way we could, the responsibility to protect them would be the Republic's.

You’d hand over policing responsibility in Northern Ireland to Ireland?

Control!!

Gardenwalker said:

tlg86 said:

Gardenwalker said:

tlg86 said:

Gardenwalker said:

CarlottaVance said:

More in that Kantar poll:

Which of the following scenarios do you favour most?
Leave No Deal: 23
Leave TM Deal: 9
Leave but stay in SM/CU: 13
Remain/Revoke A50: 33
DK: 22

Should the final deal be put to public vote:
Yes: 52
No: 29
DK: 19

How likely Leave by Oct 31?
Net Likely: 46
Net Unlikely: 35
DK: 19

That “public vote” split is an eye opener.

Does it say what the alternative to the deal is?

Remain/Revoke 33
EFTA+/May’s Deal 22
No Deal 23

As we see, Leaving with a Deal is probably the median opinion, but Leaving with a Deal is also the least favourite option.

Sorry, I meant for the public vote question. That 52 probably includes those wanting deal v no deal and deal v remain.

And No Deal probably includes people who think it amounts to Remain.

I tend to take these numbers as thematic rather than biblical.

You'd have to have not listed to the radio, watched the TV, surfed the net for the last three months to not know what No Deal means.

tlg86 said:

Gardenwalker said:

tlg86 said:

Gardenwalker said:

tlg86 said:

Gardenwalker said:

CarlottaVance said:

More in that Kantar poll:

Which of the following scenarios do you favour most?
Leave No Deal: 23
Leave TM Deal: 9
Leave but stay in SM/CU: 13
Remain/Revoke A50: 33
DK: 22

Should the final deal be put to public vote:
Yes: 52
No: 29
DK: 19

How likely Leave by Oct 31?
Net Likely: 46
Net Unlikely: 35
DK: 19

That “public vote” split is an eye opener.

Does it say what the alternative to the deal is?

Remain/Revoke 33
EFTA+/May’s Deal 22
No Deal 23

As we see, Leaving with a Deal is probably the median opinion, but Leaving with a Deal is also the least favourite option.

Sorry, I meant for the public vote question. That 52 probably includes those wanting deal v no deal and deal v remain.

And No Deal probably includes people who think it amounts to Remain.

I tend to take these numbers as thematic rather than biblical.

You'd have to have not listed to the radio, watched the TV, surfed the net for the last three months to not know what No Deal means.

An end to intrastat.

The Kantar poll might be accurate. No particular reason to assume it isn't. However, it's worth noting that it uniquely has Labour + Conservatives at 70%, while every other pollster has that combination in the 50s at present (this is also true even before allowing for their adjustments for false recall of vote at the last election). This suggests that their sample looks quite different from other pollsters'.

tlg86 said:

Gardenwalker said:

tlg86 said:

Gardenwalker said:

tlg86 said:

Gardenwalker said:

CarlottaVance said:

More in that Kantar poll:

Which of the following scenarios do you favour most?
Leave No Deal: 23
Leave TM Deal: 9
Leave but stay in SM/CU: 13
Remain/Revoke A50: 33
DK: 22

Should the final deal be put to public vote:
Yes: 52
No: 29
DK: 19

How likely Leave by Oct 31?
Net Likely: 46
Net Unlikely: 35
DK: 19

That “public vote” split is an eye opener.

Does it say what the alternative to the deal is?

Remain/Revoke 33
EFTA+/May’s Deal 22
No Deal 23

As we see, Leaving with a Deal is probably the median opinion, but Leaving with a Deal is also the least favourite option.

Sorry, I meant for the public vote question. That 52 probably includes those wanting deal v no deal and deal v remain.

And No Deal probably includes people who think it amounts to Remain.

I tend to take these numbers as thematic rather than biblical.

You'd have to have not listed to the radio, watched the TV, surfed the net for the last three months to not know what No Deal means.

My window cleaner thought ‘Boris’ becoming PM was great until I told him he was a Tory !

Gardenwalker said:

tlg86 said:

Gardenwalker said:

tlg86 said:

Gardenwalker said:

tlg86 said:

Gardenwalker said:

CarlottaVance said:

More in that Kantar poll:

Which of the following scenarios do you favour most?
Leave No Deal: 23
Leave TM Deal: 9
Leave but stay in SM/CU: 13
Remain/Revoke A50: 33
DK: 22

Should the final deal be put to public vote:
Yes: 52
No: 29
DK: 19

How likely Leave by Oct 31?
Net Likely: 46
Net Unlikely: 35
DK: 19

That “public vote” split is an eye opener.

Does it say what the alternative to the deal is?

Remain/Revoke 33
EFTA+/May’s Deal 22
No Deal 23

As we see, Leaving with a Deal is probably the median opinion, but Leaving with a Deal is also the least favourite option.

Sorry, I meant for the public vote question. That 52 probably includes those wanting deal v no deal and deal v remain.

And No Deal probably includes people who think it amounts to Remain.

I tend to take these numbers as thematic rather than biblical.

You'd have to have not listed to the radio, watched the TV, surfed the net for the last three months to not know what No Deal means.

I think you are overestimating the interest and perhaps comprehension of large numbers of voters.

I thought remainers - and I'd assume those who want Deal v Remain to mostly be remainers - were supposed to be clued up?

tlg86 said:

Gardenwalker said:

tlg86 said:

Gardenwalker said:

tlg86 said:

Gardenwalker said:

CarlottaVance said:

More in that Kantar poll:

Which of the following scenarios do you favour most?
Leave No Deal: 23
Leave TM Deal: 9
Leave but stay in SM/CU: 13
Remain/Revoke A50: 33
DK: 22

Should the final deal be put to public vote:
Yes: 52
No: 29
DK: 19

How likely Leave by Oct 31?
Net Likely: 46
Net Unlikely: 35
DK: 19

That “public vote” split is an eye opener.

Does it say what the alternative to the deal is?

Remain/Revoke 33
EFTA+/May’s Deal 22
No Deal 23

As we see, Leaving with a Deal is probably the median opinion, but Leaving with a Deal is also the least favourite option.

Sorry, I meant for the public vote question. That 52 probably includes those wanting deal v no deal and deal v remain.

And No Deal probably includes people who think it amounts to Remain.

I tend to take these numbers as thematic rather than biblical.

You'd have to have not listed to the radio, watched the TV, surfed the net for the last three months to not know what No Deal means.

That's probably a large percentage of the population..

Recidivist said:

JohnO said:

Apparently new Kantar poll (fieldwork 15-19 Aug) showing:

Cons 42!!
Lab 28
LDs 15
Brexit 5
SNP 5
Green 3

That's horribly believable. The gung ho No Deal talk from Johnson is designed to win over the Brexit Party support. It looks like it might be working. And indeed, why shouldn't it?

It rose quickly, could fall quickly, then could rise quickly again. Expect increasingly strident words from Boris as his 'negotiations' do not work, to keep the BXP on side.

https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1164113494100365312

AlastairMeeks said:

The Kantar poll might be accurate. No particular reason to assume it isn't. However, it's worth noting that it uniquely has Labour + Conservatives at 70%, while every other pollster has that combination in the 50s at present (this is also true even before allowing for their adjustments for false recall of vote at the last election). This suggests that their sample looks quite different from other pollsters'.

They didn't prompt BXP or Green, so they would have had to write in Other and then write in BXP or Green. That to me presents an issue in comparing it to polls that do prompt. Maybe Kantar is correct and the field is wrong, as we know their are issues with prompting, but *shrug*

Some other nuggets:

The UK is due to leave the EU on 29 March 2019 [sic]. There are a number of actions which people might take ahead of this date. Have you already or are you likely to... - Stockpile food or medicine


EuRef Vote:
Have done/ Likely / Won't / Not Sure
Leave: 6 / 14 / 63 / 8
Remain: 5 / 20 / 46 / 19

So it looks like "Project Fear" is mainly scaring Remainers.

Gardenwalker said:

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1164113494100365312

Oh dear.
Boris really *is* May in fast forward.
Can anyone reminds me what comes next?

You do realise most people don't think he will get a bigger majority than Blair don't you?

CarlottaVance said:

Some other nuggets:

The UK is due to leave the EU on 29 March 2019 [sic]. There are a number of actions which people might take ahead of this date. Have you already or are you likely to... - Stockpile food or medicine


EuRef Vote:
Have done/ Likely / Won't / Not Sure
Leave: 6 / 14 / 63 / 8
Remain: 5 / 20 / 46 / 19

So it looks like "Project Fear" is mainly scaring Remainers.

Makes sense, as Leavers have absolutely no idea what Leaving entails.

rottenborough said:

Gardenwalker said:

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1164113494100365312

Oh dear.
Boris really *is* May in fast forward.
Can anyone reminds me what comes next?

Dementia tax?

No strong and stable and locking CoE in a cupboard

StuartDickson said:

dixiedean said:

StuartDickson said:

eek said:

JohnO said:

Apparently new Kantar poll (fieldwork 15-19 Aug) showing:

Cons 42!!
Lab 28
LDs 15
Brexit 5
SNP 5
Green 3

Boris isn't going to get an election with those numbers - Corbyn will insist on an extension to kill it.

Mind you those Brexit numbers are too low..

Agreed. If the Tories are anywhere near 40% then Corbyn will chicken out.

He didn't last time. Those figures are actually better than the polls when May called it.

UK GE 2017 was unique. That kind of fuck-up only happens once in a lifetime. Probably less often than that.

Harsh realities of social care won't be the centre piece of Boris' soft focus optimism.

StuartDickson said:

CarlottaVance said:

More in that Kantar poll:

Which of the following scenarios do you favour most?
Leave No Deal: 23
Leave TM Deal: 9
Leave but stay in SM/CU: 13
Remain/Revoke A50: 33
DK: 22

Should the final deal be put to public vote:
Yes: 52
No: 29
DK: 19

How likely Leave by Oct 31?
Net Likely: 46
Net Unlikely: 35
DK: 19

No Deal at just 23%.

If BoZo does this then the Tories are crippled for a generation.

Yep - I think he'll be the last Tory PM to win a national election in my lifetime.

The Kantar Poll has to be wrong. No way are TIGFC polling as high as 1%.

CatMan said:

Errrrr

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1164108955339120641?s=20

That looks about right for the moment. This is why Johnson has no other option besides no deal. What happens once we do no deal is anyone's guess.

Johnson is treading a very fine line, but for now it is working beautifully.

So the good news on the GERS figures is that the deficit is down just over £1bn from last year to this.

The bad news is even current expenditure remains in deficit with no provision for capex. To put that in perspective the UK overall fiscal balance remains a deficit of 1.1% of GDP but the current figure is actually in surplus by 0.8% of GDP. Scotland has a deficit in excess of 4%.

More good news is that revenues have risen quite fast this last year, faster than for the UK as a whole (5.1% vs 4.5%). This no doubt reflects the higher taxes charged by Nicola's government on HRTs. Whether that will be sustainable in the medium term remains to be seen.

Overall these figures show a modest improvement in Scotland's fiscal balance and a very modest step towards sustainability. In the last few months we have seen 2 significant gas fields come online in the north sea. I think that is likely to at least offset the long term decline of north sea income for a while.

I do not want independence. I will never want independence. I am British and proudly so. But if Scotland is going to go the route of independence they will need a series of better years to get even close to some sort of sustainability. From a desperately poor base this is a small step in that direction.

SouthamObserver said:

CarlottaVance said:

More in that Kantar poll:

Which of the following scenarios do you favour most?
Leave No Deal: 23
Leave TM Deal: 9
Leave but stay in SM/CU: 13
Remain/Revoke A50: 33
DK: 22

Should the final deal be put to public vote:
Yes: 52
No: 29
DK: 19

How likely Leave by Oct 31?
Net Likely: 46
Net Unlikely: 35
DK: 19

Those are very interesting. I am trying to reconcile them with the headline voting figures. The only way I can do is with the idea that for a lot of voters a Corbyn government is worse than No Deal.

Perhaps the sheer force of Boris's charisma, audacity and spunk transcends Brexit, nay transcends even politics itself. In him the public sees the personification of everything they crave in life but have always been too timid or mediocre to achieve, and are just compelled to reward him for it.

Pulpstar said:

tlg86 said:

dixiedean said:

tlg86 said:

dixiedean said:

My parents live in Wigan. Ignoring price, how to they get to Glasgow, Birmingham or London quickly and efficiently? Train every time.
To Liverpool, Leeds or Hull? Car no question. It is why the M62 is creaking to breaking point. A cross Pennine fast rail link is decades overdue.

Not disagreeing with the idea of improved transpennine rail links, surely the M62 isn't too much of a problem if your parents are still choosing the car.

No. It is purely the hideously antiquated state of the alternative.

I suppose the question for a Transpennine HS route is, which places would be served? I'd suggest Wigan would not be.

Leeds -> Manchester

That would be a start. Far too unambitious though.
And, neither of those cities are on either the West or East Coast main lines. Wigan or Warrington to York stopping and Mcr and Leeds.
If you are doing that add Liverpool and Hull.

SouthamObserver said:

CarlottaVance said:

More in that Kantar poll:

Which of the following scenarios do you favour most?
Leave No Deal: 23
Leave TM Deal: 9
Leave but stay in SM/CU: 13
Remain/Revoke A50: 33
DK: 22

Should the final deal be put to public vote:
Yes: 52
No: 29
DK: 19

How likely Leave by Oct 31?
Net Likely: 46
Net Unlikely: 35
DK: 19

Those are very interesting. I am trying to reconcile them with the headline voting figures. The only way I can do is with the idea that for a lot of voters a Corbyn government is worse than No Deal.

Or a lot of voters don't believe that Johnson is going to leave without a deal. After all, he said himself it's a million to one chance.

geoffw said:

More polls like this could help get a renegotiated WA. At least I hope so.

By October 31st?

https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1164104166417031168?s=20

Former HS2 Ltd chairman Douglas Oakervee will lead the inquiry, with Lord Berkeley - a long-term critic of the high-speed railway scheme - acting as his deputy.

Oakervee's role was already known. However, Lord Berkeley's appointment seems to me to be highly significant, heralding an enquiry whose conclusion cannot be predicted and must mean that the government is doing more than just going through the motions.

Politically, it will also play well with Johnson's bid to win back Brexit Party supporters.

GIN1138 said:

SouthamObserver said:

StuartDickson said:

CarlottaVance said:

More in that Kantar poll:

Which of the following scenarios do you favour most?
Leave No Deal: 23
Leave TM Deal: 9
Leave but stay in SM/CU: 13
Remain/Revoke A50: 33
DK: 22

Should the final deal be put to public vote:
Yes: 52
No: 29
DK: 19

How likely Leave by Oct 31?
Net Likely: 46
Net Unlikely: 35
DK: 19

No Deal at just 23%.

If BoZo does this then the Tories are crippled for a generation.

Yep - I think he'll be the last Tory PM to win a national election in my lifetime.

Surely it depends what actually happens in the event of No Deal?

The bar has been set very, very, very high for complete and total catastrophe

Anything short of End Of Days and the sky falling in won't be viewed as being too bad in the circumstances?

We live in a country where KFC not getting a delivery results in 999 calls.

SouthamObserver said:

StuartDickson said:

CarlottaVance said:

More in that Kantar poll:

Which of the following scenarios do you favour most?
Leave No Deal: 23
Leave TM Deal: 9
Leave but stay in SM/CU: 13
Remain/Revoke A50: 33
DK: 22

Should the final deal be put to public vote:
Yes: 52
No: 29
DK: 19

How likely Leave by Oct 31?
Net Likely: 46
Net Unlikely: 35
DK: 19

No Deal at just 23%.

If BoZo does this then the Tories are crippled for a generation.

Yep - I think he'll be the last Tory PM to win a national election in my lifetime.

Narrator: "Southam is 86 years old."

CarlottaVance said:

malcolmg said:

kle4 said:

malcolmg said:

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/TheScotsman/status/1164100951168421888?s=20

I suppose you could call it the "Union Dividend"......

LOL, another set of rigged numbers, get a life.

Rigged in what way, may I ask? I dont know how it is calculated but given any conclusion alone does not prove a rigging, what have they done to rig that conclusion?

They just look at overall numbers and have no idea how to split but always manage to make Scotland borrowing most of the money whilst rUK borrows almost zero. They are just made up bollox as it is purely a made up split of the total numbers , used to try and promote how munificent the union is to Scotland. Complete and utter lies and not bearing any resemblance of how Scotland would be if independent.
It suits halfwitted rabid unionists like Carlotta that want to crow about how bad Scotland is , nothing else. Scottish Government are given a set of rigged numbers and have to get on with it as there are no other numbers.

Q: Who produces GERS?

A: GERS is produced by Scottish Government statisticians. It is designated as a National Statistics product, which means that it is produced independently of Scottish Ministers and has been assessed by the UK Statistics Authority as being produced in line with the Code of Practice for Statistics. This means the statistics have been found to meet user needs, to be methodologically sound, explained well and produced free of political interference.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/government-expenditure-revenue-scotland-gers/

YAWN YAWN YAWN , it is taken from rigged numbers supplied by UK, they have no other option as UK costs are not split out anywhere. It is the UK guess of where money goes and it is very convenient that Scotland at 8% has most of the UK deficit, who would have imagined that with UK making up the numbers.

Beibheirli_C said:

Wulfrun_Phil said:

https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1164104166417031168?s=20

Politically, it will also play well with Johnson's bid to win back Brexit Party supporters.

All that matters to Boris IMO... to hell with the country, vote for Boris!!

Corbyn's made this calculation too.

StuartDickson said:

Stark_Dawning said:

SouthamObserver said:

CarlottaVance said:

More in that Kantar poll:

Which of the following scenarios do you favour most?
Leave No Deal: 23
Leave TM Deal: 9
Leave but stay in SM/CU: 13
Remain/Revoke A50: 33
DK: 22

Should the final deal be put to public vote:
Yes: 52
No: 29
DK: 19

How likely Leave by Oct 31?
Net Likely: 46
Net Unlikely: 35
DK: 19

Those are very interesting. I am trying to reconcile them with the headline voting figures. The only way I can do is with the idea that for a lot of voters a Corbyn government is worse than No Deal.

Perhaps the sheer force of Boris's charisma, audacity and spunk transcends Brexit, nay transcends even politics itself. In him the public sees the personification of everything they crave in life but have always been too timid or mediocre to achieve, and are just compelled to reward him for it.

Boris’s spunk.

It has come to this.

He's spaffing it liberally in the face of a grateful nation it would seem.

geoffw said:

More polls like this could help get a renegotiated WA. At least I hope so.

Why? The EU are not impressed by Boris-friendly polls. They have different priorities so the UK has made its decision and can be left to deal with it.

GIN1138 said:

SouthamObserver said:

StuartDickson said:

CarlottaVance said:

More in that Kantar poll:

Which of the following scenarios do you favour most?
Leave No Deal: 23
Leave TM Deal: 9
Leave but stay in SM/CU: 13
Remain/Revoke A50: 33
DK: 22

Should the final deal be put to public vote:
Yes: 52
No: 29
DK: 19

How likely Leave by Oct 31?
Net Likely: 46
Net Unlikely: 35
DK: 19

No Deal at just 23%.

If BoZo does this then the Tories are crippled for a generation.

Yep - I think he'll be the last Tory PM to win a national election in my lifetime.

Surely it depends what actually happens in the event of No Deal?

The bar has been set very, very, very high for complete and total catastrophe

Anything short of End Of Days and the sky falling in won't be viewed as being too bad in the circumstances?

But the theory of "problems" will be very different from enduring "problems".

Voters get a low more antsy about something actually happening, rather than theoretically happening.

And that's setting aside that the UK's Chief Clown has assured said voters that it will be plain (plane?) sailing.

dixiedean said:

StuartDickson said:

Stark_Dawning said:

SouthamObserver said:

CarlottaVance said:

More in that Kantar poll:

Which of the following scenarios do you favour most?
Leave No Deal: 23
Leave TM Deal: 9
Leave but stay in SM/CU: 13
Remain/Revoke A50: 33
DK: 22

Should the final deal be put to public vote:
Yes: 52
No: 29
DK: 19

How likely Leave by Oct 31?
Net Likely: 46
Net Unlikely: 35
DK: 19

Those are very interesting. I am trying to reconcile them with the headline voting figures. The only way I can do is with the idea that for a lot of voters a Corbyn government is worse than No Deal.

Perhaps the sheer force of Boris's charisma, audacity and spunk transcends Brexit, nay transcends even politics itself. In him the public sees the personification of everything they crave in life but have always been too timid or mediocre to achieve, and are just compelled to reward him for it.

Boris’s spunk.

It has come to this.

He's spaffing it liberally in the face of a grateful nation it would seem.

We're gratefully lapping it up