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Indeed despite the fact the Brady amendment passed by 317 votes to 301JBriskinindyref2 said:
Excellent point. I doubt the remainiacs will care though - they'll keep shouting as usualHYUFD said:
Actually the only Brexit solution to have got a majority in the Commons is not May's Withdrawal Agreement as is, not Norway Plus, not Deal plus Customs Union, not EUref2 and not No Deal (all of which were voted down by MPs) but the Brady amendment ie the Withdrawal Agreement minus the backstop.kle4 said:
Which cannot be met. It's quite transparent and irritating as they are going for a GE while pretending that is not the intention.Mysticrose said:
I am increasingly confident that Brexit will not be 'in the bag' this autumnMarqueeMark said:An October/November election with Brexit in the bag, one way or another, leaves the following:
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However much HYUFD jumps up and down, Parliament isn't going to let it happen. I suspect Cummings & Co know this too and they're deliberately stoking the fire, preparing for an Us vs Them vote. (Which is the kind of language Cummings speaks.)
The only way an Oct 31st Brexit would have occurred was a modified May deal. Johnson has chosen to throw that out the window and set down his own red lines.
Thus Boris is trying to get the only Deal Parliament will support in its current form0 -
Trying to be helpful for the hard of thinking.....MPs will stop it! How? Things! Stuff! Motions! - You'll see!Stereotomy said:
Such fresh new analysis!CarlottaVance said:If the government does not change, there are significant procedural issues that could prevent a majority in parliament from passing primary legislation in time to mandate an extension (or revocation). There may well be a majority of members of parliament against no deal, but that does not matter unless the majority can be converted into effective action.
https://www.ft.com/content/b58491f8-be8c-11e9-b350-db00d509634e0 -
Get a room, you two.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Excellent point. I doubt the remainiacs will care though - they'll keep shouting as usualHYUFD said:
Actually the only Brexit solution to have got a majority in the Commons is not May's Withdrawal Agreement as is, not Norway Plus, not Deal plus Customs Union, not EUref2 and not No Deal (all of which were voted down by MPs) but the Brady amendment ie the Withdrawal Agreement minus the backstop.kle4 said:
Which cannot be met. It's quite transparent and irritating as they are going for a GE while pretending that is not the intention.Mysticrose said:
I am increasingly confident that Brexit will not be 'in the bag' this autumnMarqueeMark said:An October/November election with Brexit in the bag, one way or another, leaves the following:
.
However much HYUFD jumps up and down, Parliament isn't going to let it happen. I suspect Cummings & Co know this too and they're deliberately stoking the fire, preparing for an Us vs Them vote. (Which is the kind of language Cummings speaks.)
The only way an Oct 31st Brexit would have occurred was a modified May deal. Johnson has chosen to throw that out the window and set down his own red lines.
Thus Boris is trying to get the only Deal Parliament will support in its current form
It's nowhere near the watershed yet.0 -
But the Brexit Party are still at majority destroying levels. HYUFD's strategy isn't working yet.JBriskinindyref2 said:0 -
Big man Sam Cosgrove out injured for tomorrows pittordie clash. Pretty disastrous news.0
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But still the finality of a potential departure is not fully recognised. The airlock door will slam shut on the astronaut and there is no easy way back into the spacecraft.
https://www.ft.com/content/b58491f8-be8c-11e9-b350-db00d509634e
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Mr. Recidivist, if their numbers hold up.
Faragian parties have a history of failing phenomenally at FPTP elections.
Ironically, if we had a PR style as many pro-EU types want, we likely would've have UKIP in government recently.1 -
'K'nell. Back to the discussion of A levels earlier. The Beeb says that:
'Details of A-level grade boundaries for all papers set by two exam boards have been leaked on social media a day before the results are published.
The documents reveal that A-level maths candidates needed little more than half marks to get a grade A in papers set by both Pearson/Edexcel and OCR.'
Granddaughter-in-law teaches A level students. What the hell is she to make of all this.
Grandson 2 is about to start his A level years; he's doing largely essay subjects (History, Philosophy). What the (expletive deleted) are he and his parents likely to make of this sort of thing?0 -
It has worked to ensure the Tories will now get most seats, unlike with May post extension, needs a bit more to get a Tory majority agreed (though Yougov gives that too)Recidivist said:
But the Brexit Party are still at majority destroying levels. HYUFD's strategy isn't working yet.JBriskinindyref2 said:0 -
Well known white male. The rest is just a bonus.rcs1000 said:
True; there's a certain type of person who wants a geriatric incontinent candidate to face Trump.Nigelb said:
Except that he is also to some extent (and counterintuitively) fishing in the same pool as Biden. And he hasn't, recently.rcs1000 said:
But in Iowa he's fourth and just a smidgen above Buttigieg.Nigelb said:Bernie showing a little upward movement in the latest polls (National & S Carolina).
The big issue for Bernie is that he's largely fishing in the same pool as Elizabeth Warren, and she's been a lot more impressive than he has.
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We went to The Moy in Co. Tyrone in summer 1999 to research my wife's family. We went by public transport which required switching from train to bus at Portadown. We managed to chose the morning of a loyalist march later that day so there were RUC stationed outside of every other shop on the High Street. Our bus took us past that RC church that was the centre of other disturbances in Portadown and it had a British Army armoured car and a platoon of squaddies with rifles guarding it.Pro_Rata said:
Did that round trip with 2 Italians around 1998. We hired a car last minute: relative to GB at the time there seemed to be surprisingly little in security checks to sign the car out. As designated driver on return,, I parked outside that National Trust pub just a lfew hundred yards down from the Europa. By evening's end it was the only car on the whole street, at which I had a significant "holy shit" moment, imagining I had narrowly missed having the hire car somehow destroyed in a controlled explosion.The_Taxman said:I am just in Northern Ireland for a short holiday. I was surprised outside Belfast International Airport at an English bloke who looked shit scared when he asked for information on buses! He came to he right person as i have strategically planned my break in NI to include the cheapest travel to Giants Causeway and Londonderry and back to Belfast in a day! I like NI it reminds me of Kent, Sussex and the like. It is interesting seeing the UK and Irish flags around NI. It is nice to see a place proud of the Uk rather than discussing exit. So far so good! I hope NI and Scotland choose to stay in the UK despite Brexit!
Dura Ace probably has a far hairier story, but that was quite enough for me!
I was, frankly, terrified until we reached our B&B at The Moy, but my wife wasn't much phased. As she said it, armed police were routine for her, but I'd never seen them before apart from a couple of times visiting her in Philly.
Just to complete the story, our B&B hosts told us we should seek out the local retired dairyman who would have known my wife's family back in the day. Serendipitously we did find him, and he drove us over to the next village where her great-grandparents were buried, under a huge Celtic cross gravestone "Erected by their children", all of whom had emigrated to the USA and clearly wanted to show the folks back home how well they had done there!-1 -
Faragian parties have a knack of taking votes away from the tories. While they don't win seats, they cause the Tories not to win seats.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Recidivist, if their numbers hold up.
Faragian parties have a history of failing phenomenally at FPTP elections.
Ironically, if we had a PR style as many pro-EU types want, we likely would've have UKIP in government recently.
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Johnson's chief "negotiator" was sent to Brussels where he was asked "hypothetically", whether the removal of the backstop whilst leaving all other things the same would pass the House of Commons. The answer he gave them was "no".HYUFD said:
Actually the only Brexit solution to have got a majority in the Commons is not May's Withdrawal Agreement as is, not Norway Plus, not Deal plus Customs Union, not EUref2 and not No Deal (all of which were voted down by MPs) but the Brady amendment ie the Withdrawal Agreement minus the backstop.kle4 said:
Which cannot be met. It's quite transparent and irritating as they are going for a GE while pretending that is not the intention.Mysticrose said:
I am increasingly confident that Brexit will not be 'in the bag' this autumnMarqueeMark said:An October/November election with Brexit in the bag, one way or another, leaves the following:
.
However much HYUFD jumps up and down, Parliament isn't going to let it happen. I suspect Cummings & Co know this too and they're deliberately stoking the fire, preparing for an Us vs Them vote. (Which is the kind of language Cummings speaks.)
The only way an Oct 31st Brexit would have occurred was a modified May deal. Johnson has chosen to throw that out the window and set down his own red lines.
Thus Boris is trying to get the only Deal Parliament will support in its current form
So the idea that Johnson is seeking to get the EU to simply agree to remove the backstop from the WA is nonsense.
Because apparently they want all sorts of other things changing as well - probably because they know that a significant number of "no deal" MPs only supported the Brady amendment knowing it wouldn't get anywhere and would simply waste another couple of months (whilst they would simultaneously get to portray themselves as 'reasonable' against the instransigents on the other side).
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Could easily be rounding - for example Labour and the BXP are down just over 4.5% each and the Tories up nearly 5.5% and the LibDems nearly 2.5%. With the other 1% being fractional changes in Green, SNP, PC and UKIP.Morris_Dancer said:That poll has the Con/BP changes balancing but 3 points left to be accounted for in the Lab/LD balance. More support for the SNP?
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It's the starting point for renegotiations. The EU is saying non.alex. said:
Johnson's chief "negotiator" was sent to Brussels where he was asked "hypothetically", whether the removal of the backstop whilst leaving all other things the same would pass the House of Commons. The answer he gave them was "no".HYUFD said:
Actually the only Brexit solution to have got a majority in the Commons is not May's Withdrawal Agreement as is, not Norway Plus, not Deal plus Customs Union, not EUref2 and not No Deal (all of which were voted down by MPs) but the Brady amendment ie the Withdrawal Agreement minus the backstop.kle4 said:
Which cannot be met. It's quite transparent and irritating as they are going for a GE while pretending that is not the intention.Mysticrose said:
I am increasingly confident that Brexit will not be 'in the bag' this autumnMarqueeMark said:An October/November election with Brexit in the bag, one way or another, leaves the following:
.
However much HYUFD jumps up and down, Parliament isn't going to let it happen. I suspect Cummings & Co know this too and they're deliberately stoking the fire, preparing for an Us vs Them vote. (Which is the kind of language Cummings speaks.)
The only way an Oct 31st Brexit would have occurred was a modified May deal. Johnson has chosen to throw that out the window and set down his own red lines.
Thus Boris is trying to get the only Deal Parliament will support in its current form
So the idea that Johnson is seeking to get the EU to simply agree to remove the backstop from the WA is nonsense.
C'est la vie
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.156586178
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They should be more worried about this. As I am, especially having had a very grim experience of their inconsistency and lack of rigour while marking myself this year.OldKingCole said:'K'nell. Back to the discussion of A levels earlier. The Beeb says that:
'Details of A-level grade boundaries for all papers set by two exam boards have been leaked on social media a day before the results are published.
The documents reveal that A-level maths candidates needed little more than half marks to get a grade A in papers set by both Pearson/Edexcel and OCR.'
Granddaughter-in-law teaches A level students. What the hell is she to make of all this.
Grandson 2 is about to start his A level years; he's doing largely essay subjects (History, Philosophy). What the (expletive deleted) are he and his parents likely to make of this sort of thing?
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/revealed-a-level-results-are-48-wrong-xsj33jvnh
And that is hardly surprising when in my experience the Chief Examiners are all at sea. Although that will vary from subject to subject and board to board.0 -
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Johnson is a publicity seeking wazzock, whom once upon a time, would have found himself entering the Tower through Traitors Gate with little prospect of live exit!alex. said:
Johnson's chief "negotiator" was sent to Brussels where he was asked "hypothetically", whether the removal of the backstop whilst leaving all other things the same would pass the House of Commons. The answer he gave them was "no".HYUFD said:
Actually the only Brexit solution to have got a majority in the Commons is not May's Withdrawal Agreement as is, not Norway Plus, not Deal plus Customs Union, not EUref2 and not No Deal (all of which were voted down by MPs) but the Brady amendment ie the Withdrawal Agreement minus the backstop.kle4 said:
Which cannot be met. It's quite transparent and irritating as they are going for a GE while pretending that is not the intention.Mysticrose said:
I am increasingly confident that Brexit will not be 'in the bag' this autumnMarqueeMark said:An October/November election with Brexit in the bag, one way or another, leaves the following:
.
However much HYUFD jumps up and down, Parliament isn't going to let it happen. I suspect Cummings & Co know this too and they're deliberately stoking the fire, preparing for an Us vs Them vote. (Which is the kind of language Cummings speaks.)
The only way an Oct 31st Brexit would have occurred was a modified May deal. Johnson has chosen to throw that out the window and set down his own red lines.
Thus Boris is trying to get the only Deal Parliament will support in its current form
So the idea that Johnson is seeking to get the EU to simply agree to remove the backstop from the WA is nonsense.
Because apparently they want all sorts of other things changing as well - probably because they know that a significant number of "no deal" MPs only supported the Brady amendment knowing it wouldn't get anywhere and would simply waste another couple of months (whilst they would simultaneously get to portray themselves as 'reasonable' against the instransigents on the other side).0 -
Surely his aides tweeted that yesterday?CarlottaVance said:0 -
No - it's Other parties which are +2 (I think it's UKIP)IanB2 said:
Could easily be rounding - for example Labour and the BXP are down just over 4.5% each and the Tories up nearly 5.5% and the LibDems nearly 2.5%. With the other 1% being fractional changes in Green, SNP, PC and UKIP.Morris_Dancer said:That poll has the Con/BP changes balancing but 3 points left to be accounted for in the Lab/LD balance. More support for the SNP?
I posted a link0 -
The EU is asking what is the basis of negotiations if nothing can get through Parliament.JBriskinindyref2 said:
It's the starting point for renegotiations. The EU is saying non.alex. said:
Johnson's chief "negotiator" was sent to Brussels where he was asked "hypothetically", whether the removal of the backstop whilst leaving all other things the same would pass the House of Commons. The answer he gave them was "no".HYUFD said:
Actually the only Brexit solution to have got a majority in the Commons is not May's Withdrawal Agreement as is, not Norway Plus, not Deal plus Customs Union, not EUref2 and not No Deal (all of which were voted down by MPs) but the Brady amendment ie the Withdrawal Agreement minus the backstop.kle4 said:
Which cannot be met. It's quite transparent and irritating as they are going for a GE while pretending that is not the intention.Mysticrose said:
I am increasingly confident that Brexit will not be 'in the bag' this autumnMarqueeMark said:An October/November election with Brexit in the bag, one way or another, leaves the following:
.
However much HYUFD jumps up and down, Parliament isn't going to let it happen. I suspect Cummings & Co know this too and they're deliberately stoking the fire, preparing for an Us vs Them vote. (Which is the kind of language Cummings speaks.)
The only way an Oct 31st Brexit would have occurred was a modified May deal. Johnson has chosen to throw that out the window and set down his own red lines.
Thus Boris is trying to get the only Deal Parliament will support in its current form
So the idea that Johnson is seeking to get the EU to simply agree to remove the backstop from the WA is nonsense.
C'est la vie
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.156586178
And the purpose of the extension in the EU's eyes was to ensure they got a Parliament that could make a decision, not a new leader who has even less chance of getting things agreed.0 -
A surge for Dick Braine?JBriskinindyref2 said:
No - it's Other parties which are +2 (I think it's UKIP)IanB2 said:
Could easily be rounding - for example Labour and the BXP are down just over 4.5% each and the Tories up nearly 5.5% and the LibDems nearly 2.5%. With the other 1% being fractional changes in Green, SNP, PC and UKIP.Morris_Dancer said:That poll has the Con/BP changes balancing but 3 points left to be accounted for in the Lab/LD balance. More support for the SNP?
I posted a link0 -
A transparent attempt to try to head off the obvious attraction of revoke, or PV and revoke, of killing Brexit, compared to the sad reality of Bozo’s plan where we really will be arguing about Brexit for years to come.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Understand. Eldest granddaughter spent one summer marking Psychology A Levels. She won't do it again!ydoethur said:
They should be more worried about this. As I am, especially having had a very grim experience of their inconsistency and lack of rigour while marking myself this year.OldKingCole said:'K'nell. Back to the discussion of A levels earlier. The Beeb says that:
'Details of A-level grade boundaries for all papers set by two exam boards have been leaked on social media a day before the results are published.
The documents reveal that A-level maths candidates needed little more than half marks to get a grade A in papers set by both Pearson/Edexcel and OCR.'
Granddaughter-in-law teaches A level students. What the hell is she to make of all this.
Grandson 2 is about to start his A level years; he's doing largely essay subjects (History, Philosophy). What the (expletive deleted) are he and his parents likely to make of this sort of thing?
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/revealed-a-level-results-are-48-wrong-xsj33jvnh
And that is hardly surprising when in my experience the Chief Examiners are all at sea. Although that will vary from subject to subject and board to board.0 -
Whatever - we're crashing out on no-deal because the EU is being stubborn.eek said:
The EU is asking what is the basis of negotiations if nothing can get through Parliament.JBriskinindyref2 said:
It's the starting point for renegotiations. The EU is saying non.alex. said:
Johnson's chief "negotiator" was sent to Brussels where he was asked "hypothetically", whether the removal of the backstop whilst leaving all other things the same would pass the House of Commons. The answer he gave them was "no".HYUFD said:
Actually the only Brexit solution to have got a majority in the Commons is not May's Withdrawal Agreement as is, not Norway Plus, not Deal plus Customs Union, not EUref2 and not No Deal (all of which were voted down by MPs) but the Brady amendment ie the Withdrawal Agreement minus the backstop.kle4 said:
Which cannot be met. It's quite transparent and irritating as they are going for a GE while pretending that is not the intention.Mysticrose said:
I am increasingly confident that Brexit will not be 'in the bag' this autumnMarqueeMark said:An October/November election with Brexit in the bag, one way or another, leaves the following:
.
However much HYUFD jumps up and down, Parliament isn't going to let it happen. I suspect Cummings & Co know this too and they're deliberately stoking the fire, preparing for an Us vs Them vote. (Which is the kind of language Cummings speaks.)
The only way an Oct 31st Brexit would have occurred was a modified May deal. Johnson has chosen to throw that out the window and set down his own red lines.
Thus Boris is trying to get the only Deal Parliament will support in its current form
So the idea that Johnson is seeking to get the EU to simply agree to remove the backstop from the WA is nonsense.
C'est la vie
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.156586178
And the purpose of the extension in the EU's eyes was to ensure they got a Parliament that could make a decision, not a new leader who has even less chance of getting things agreed.
Stock up on canned goods.0 -
If it's the starting point for negotations then it's not the final destination! So basically Johnson want the EU to concede even more!JBriskinindyref2 said:
It's the starting point for renegotiations. The EU is saying non.alex. said:
Johnson's chief "negotiator" was sent to Brussels where he was asked "hypothetically", whether the removal of the backstop whilst leaving all other things the same would pass the House of Commons. The answer he gave them was "no".HYUFD said:
Actually the only Brexit solution to have got a majority in the Commons is not May's Withdrawal Agreement as is, not Norway Plus, not Deal plus Customs Union, not EUref2 and not No Deal (all of which were voted down by MPs) but the Brady amendment ie the Withdrawal Agreement minus the backstop.kle4 said:
Which cannot be met. It's quite transparent and irritating as they are going for a GE while pretending that is not the intention.Mysticrose said:
I am increasingly confident that Brexit will not be 'in the bag' this autumnMarqueeMark said:An October/November election with Brexit in the bag, one way or another, leaves the following:
.
However much HYUFD jumps up and down, Parliament isn't going to let it happen. I suspect Cummings & Co know this too and they're deliberately stoking the fire, preparing for an Us vs Them vote. (Which is the kind of language Cummings speaks.)
The only way an Oct 31st Brexit would have occurred was a modified May deal. Johnson has chosen to throw that out the window and set down his own red lines.
Thus Boris is trying to get the only Deal Parliament will support in its current form
So the idea that Johnson is seeking to get the EU to simply agree to remove the backstop from the WA is nonsense.
C'est la vie
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.156586178
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It's time stamped 15 minutes ago...ydoethur said:
Surely his aides tweeted that yesterday?CarlottaVance said:0 -
You're still locked in the old politics.....anothernick said:
And a fair number of them are ex-Labour voters who would not vote Tory in any circumstances.eek said:
If Boris hasn't got that 15% of Brexit votes now, he definitely isn't going to get them when his plans start falling apart.JBriskinindyref2 said:
We have Tory MPs in Stoke and Mansfield. Just let that sink in....
And that is without two subsequent years of Labour dicking about over Brexit.
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Hang one. Didn't he do that one the other day? Wonder if someone's moved the bookmark a few pages back to trick the intern.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Who's side are you on? Obviously (us true brits at least) want it to be the EU side that's conceding.alex. said:
If it's the starting point for negotations then it's not the final destination! So basically Johnson want the EU to concede even more!JBriskinindyref2 said:
It's the starting point for renegotiations. The EU is saying non.alex. said:
Johnson's chief "negotiator" was sent to Brussels where he was asked "hypothetically", whether the removal of the backstop whilst leaving all other things the same would pass the House of Commons. The answer he gave them was "no".HYUFD said:
Actually the only Brexit solution to have got a majority in the Commons is not May's Withdrawal Agreement as is, not Norway Plus, not Deal plus Customs Union, not EUref2 and not No Deal (all of which were voted down by MPs) but the Brady amendment ie the Withdrawal Agreement minus the backstop.kle4 said:
Which cannot be met. It's quite transparent and irritating as they are going for a GE while pretending that is not the intention.Mysticrose said:
I am increasingly confident that Brexit will not be 'in the bag' this autumnMarqueeMark said:An October/November election with Brexit in the bag, one way or another, leaves the following:
.
However much HYUFD jumps up and down, Parliament isn't going to let it happen. I suspect Cummings & Co know this too and they're deliberately stoking the fire, preparing for an Us vs Them vote. (Which is the kind of language Cummings speaks.)
The only way an Oct 31st Brexit would have occurred was a modified May deal. Johnson has chosen to throw that out the window and set down his own red lines.
Thus Boris is trying to get the only Deal Parliament will support in its current form
So the idea that Johnson is seeking to get the EU to simply agree to remove the backstop from the WA is nonsense.
C'est la vie
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Johnson is getting increasingly desperate to find somebody who is prepared to take action to stop him being forced to leave on October 31st! He even sent his Justice Secretary out the other day to brief that no deal would be "chaos" and nobody took any notice!
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https://twitter.com/BBCJonSopel/status/1161667842506448896HYUFD said:Unless the Republicans regain the House of Representatives next November, though Boris has said he will not impose a hard border in Ireland anyway
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Well, I certainly won't work for that exam board again after the bastards have failed to pay me just because I dared to point out that the principal examiner had sent me four different instructions all of which contradicted each other.OldKingCole said:
Understand. Eldest granddaughter spent one summer marking Psychology A Levels. She won't do it again!ydoethur said:
They should be more worried about this. As I am, especially having had a very grim experience of their inconsistency and lack of rigour while marking myself this year.OldKingCole said:'K'nell. Back to the discussion of A levels earlier. The Beeb says that:
'Details of A-level grade boundaries for all papers set by two exam boards have been leaked on social media a day before the results are published.
The documents reveal that A-level maths candidates needed little more than half marks to get a grade A in papers set by both Pearson/Edexcel and OCR.'
Granddaughter-in-law teaches A level students. What the hell is she to make of all this.
Grandson 2 is about to start his A level years; he's doing largely essay subjects (History, Philosophy). What the (expletive deleted) are he and his parents likely to make of this sort of thing?
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/revealed-a-level-results-are-48-wrong-xsj33jvnh
And that is hardly surprising when in my experience the Chief Examiners are all at sea. Although that will vary from subject to subject and board to board.0 -
Apparently soFoxy said:
A surge for Dick Braine?JBriskinindyref2 said:
No - it's Other parties which are +2 (I think it's UKIP)IanB2 said:
Could easily be rounding - for example Labour and the BXP are down just over 4.5% each and the Tories up nearly 5.5% and the LibDems nearly 2.5%. With the other 1% being fractional changes in Green, SNP, PC and UKIP.Morris_Dancer said:That poll has the Con/BP changes balancing but 3 points left to be accounted for in the Lab/LD balance. More support for the SNP?
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https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1161317988961853440Stark_Dawning said:
Hang one. Didn't he do that one the other day? Wonder if someone's moved the bookmark a few pages back to trick the intern.CarlottaVance said:
was yesterday
https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1160891362583166976
was Monday0 -
Nope we are crashing out because Boris is an idiot.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Whatever - we're crashing out on no-deal because the EU is being stubborn.eek said:
The EU is asking what is the basis of negotiations if nothing can get through Parliament.JBriskinindyref2 said:
It's the starting point for renegotiations. The EU is saying non.alex. said:
Johnson's chief "negotiator" was sent to Brussels where he was asked "hypothetically", whether the removal of the backstop whilst leaving all other things the same would pass the House of Commons. The answer he gave them was "no".HYUFD said:
Actually the only Brexit solution to have got a majority in the Commons is not May's Withdrawal Agreement as is, not Norway Plus, not Deal plus Customs Union, not EUref2 and not No Deal (all of which were voted down by MPs) but the Brady amendment ie the Withdrawal Agreement minus the backstop.kle4 said:
Which cannot be met. It's quite transparent and irritating as they are going for a GE while pretending that is not the intention.Mysticrose said:
I am increasingly confident that Brexit will not be 'in the bag' this autumnMarqueeMark said:An October/November election with Brexit in the bag, one way or another, leaves the following:
.
However much HYUFD jumps up and down, Parliament isn't going to let it happen. I suspect Cummings & Co know this too and they're deliberately stoking the fire, preparing for an Us vs Them vote. (Which is the kind of language Cummings speaks.)
The only way an Oct 31st Brexit would have occurred was a modified May deal. Johnson has chosen to throw that out the window and set down his own red lines.
Thus Boris is trying to get the only Deal Parliament will support in its current form
So the idea that Johnson is seeking to get the EU to simply agree to remove the backstop from the WA is nonsense.
C'est la vie
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.156586178
And the purpose of the extension in the EU's eyes was to ensure they got a Parliament that could make a decision, not a new leader who has even less chance of getting things agreed.
Stock up on canned goods.
Now personally it really, really doesn't bother me (income comes from Europe and my industry is in a boom which I'm working to make my company a key part of) but for a lot of people it's going to be a problem.0 -
I would like the EU to concede that we can stay in the Single Market and Customs Union, whilst allowing us to agree our own trade deals, the EU to agree to pay us money for access to the UK market, and a veto on any further integration measures that they would like to take that might impede on our interests.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Who's side are you on? Obviously (us true brits at least) want it to be the EU side that's conceding.alex. said:
If it's the starting point for negotations then it's not the final destination! So basically Johnson want the EU to concede even more!JBriskinindyref2 said:
It's the starting point for renegotiations. The EU is saying non.alex. said:
Johnson's chief "negotiator" was sent to Brussels where he was asked "hypothetically", whether the removal of the backstop whilst leaving all other things the same would pass the House of Commons. The answer he gave them was "no".HYUFD said:
Actually the only Brexit solution to have got a majority in the Commons is not May's Withdrawal Agreement as is, not Norway Plus, not Deal plus Customs Union, not EUref2 and not No Deal (all of which were voted down by MPs) but the Brady amendment ie the Withdrawal Agreement minus the backstop.kle4 said:
Which cannot be met. It's quite transparent and irritating as they are going for a GE while pretending that is not the intention.Mysticrose said:
I am increasingly confident that Brexit will not be 'in the bag' this autumnMarqueeMark said:An October/November election with Brexit in the bag, one way or another, leaves the following:
.
However much HYUFD jumps up and down, Parliament isn't going to let it happen. I suspect Cummings & Co know this too and they're deliberately stoking the fire, preparing for an Us vs Them vote. (Which is the kind of language Cummings speaks.)
The only way an Oct 31st Brexit would have occurred was a modified May deal. Johnson has chosen to throw that out the window and set down his own red lines.
Thus Boris is trying to get the only Deal Parliament will support in its current form
So the idea that Johnson is seeking to get the EU to simply agree to remove the backstop from the WA is nonsense.
C'est la vie
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.156586178
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Why is the same post being repeated? Is he so dumb he can't think of a new one?eek said:
https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1161317988961853440Stark_Dawning said:
Hang one. Didn't he do that one the other day? Wonder if someone's moved the bookmark a few pages back to trick the intern.CarlottaVance said:
was yesterday
https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1160891362583166976
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He is going for something that the EU won't go for. It's a facade.HYUFD said:
Actually the only Brexit solution to have got a majority in the Commons is not May's Withdrawal Agreement as is, not Norway Plus, not Deal plus Customs Union, not EUref2 and not No Deal (all of which were voted down by MPs) but the Brady amendment ie the Withdrawal Agreement minus the backstop.kle4 said:
Which cannot be met. It's quite transparent and irritating as they are going for a GE while pretending that is not the intention.Mysticrose said:
I am increasingly confident that Brexit will not be 'in the bag' this autumnMarqueeMark said:An October/November election with Brexit in the bag, one way or another, leaves the following:
.
However much HYUFD jumps up and down, Parliament isn't going to let it happen. I suspect Cummings & Co know this too and they're deliberately stoking the fire, preparing for an Us vs Them vote. (Which is the kind of language Cummings speaks.)
The only way an Oct 31st Brexit would have occurred was a modified May deal. Johnson has chosen to throw that out the window and set down his own red lines.
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I'm not saying it would be enough to prevent the Tories, just that it has the potential.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Well UKIP peaked at 13pc in GE and Dave still got his majority so maybe not as consequential as you thinkkle4 said:
Yes, but how much? Where they stand and how much they get could swing the outcome of the election with just a few percent.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Oh I don't know.eek said:
If Boris hasn't got that 15% of Brexit votes now, he definitely isn't going to get them when his plans start falling apart.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Personally I just class Brexit Party as a fun vote for '19 Euros - can see them collapsing.0 -
Isn't it the trump approach of if you say something often enough some people will believe it is true...ydoethur said:
Why is the same post being repeated? Is he so dumb he can't think of a new one?eek said:
https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1161317988961853440Stark_Dawning said:
Hang one. Didn't he do that one the other day? Wonder if someone's moved the bookmark a few pages back to trick the intern.CarlottaVance said:
was yesterday
https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1160891362583166976
was Monday0 -
You sound a bit confused. Like this stuff is getting to you.alex. said:
I would like the EU to concede that we can stay in the Single Market and Customs Union, whilst allowing us to agree our own trade deals, the EU to agree to pay us money for access to the UK market, and a veto on any further integration measures that they would like to take that might impede on our interests.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Who's side are you on? Obviously (us true brits at least) want it to be the EU side that's conceding.alex. said:
If it's the starting point for negotations then it's not the final destination! So basically Johnson want the EU to concede even more!JBriskinindyref2 said:
It's the starting point for renegotiations. The EU is saying non.alex. said:
Johnson's chief "negotiator" was sent to Brussels where he was asked "hypothetically", whether the removal of the backstop whilst leaving all other things the same would pass the House of Commons. The answer he gave them was "no".HYUFD said:
Actually the only Brexit solution to have got a majority in the Commons is not May's Withdrawal Agreement as is, not Norway Plus, not Deal plus Customs Union, not EUref2 and not No Deal (all of which were voted down by MPs) but the Brady amendment ie the Withdrawal Agreement minus the backstop.kle4 said:
Which cannot be met. It's quite transparent and irritating as they are going for a GE while pretending that is not the intention.Mysticrose said:
I am increasingly confident that Brexit will not be 'in the bag' this autumnMarqueeMark said:An October/November election with Brexit in the bag, one way or another, leaves the following:
.
However much HYUFD jumps up and down, Parliament isn't going to let it happen. I suspect Cummings & Co know this too and they're deliberately stoking the fire, preparing for an Us vs Them vote. (Which is the kind of language Cummings speaks.)
The only way an Oct 31st Brexit would have occurred was a modified May deal. Johnson has chosen to throw that out the window and set down his own red lines.
Thus Boris is trying to get the only Deal Parliament will support in its current form
So the idea that Johnson is seeking to get the EU to simply agree to remove the backstop from the WA is nonsense.
C'est la vie
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Cake? And eat it?alex. said:
I would like the EU to concede that we can stay in the Single Market and Customs Union, whilst allowing us to agree our own trade deals, the EU to agree to pay us money for access to the UK market, and a veto on any further integration measures that they would like to take that might impede on our interests.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Who's side are you on? Obviously (us true brits at least) want it to be the EU side that's conceding.alex. said:
If it's the starting point for negotations then it's not the final destination! So basically Johnson want the EU to concede even more!JBriskinindyref2 said:
It's the starting point for renegotiations. The EU is saying non.alex. said:
Johnson's chief "negotiator" was sent to Brussels where he was asked "hypothetically", whether the removal of the backstop whilst leaving all other things the same would pass the House of Commons. The answer he gave them was "no".HYUFD said:
Actually the only Brexit solution to have got a majority in the Commons is not May's Withdrawal Agreement as is, not Norway Plus, not Deal plus Customs Union, not EUref2 and not No Deal (all of which were voted down by MPs) but the Brady amendment ie the Withdrawal Agreement minus the backstop.kle4 said:
Which cannot be met. It's quite transparent and irritating as they are going for a GE while pretending that is not the intention.Mysticrose said:
I am increasingly confident that Brexit will not be 'in the bag' this autumnMarqueeMark said:An October/November election with Brexit in the bag, one way or another, leaves the following:
.
However much HYUFD jumps up and down, Parliament isn't going to let it happen. I suspect Cummings & Co know this too and they're deliberately stoking the fire, preparing for an Us vs Them vote. (Which is the kind of language Cummings speaks.)
The only way an Oct 31st Brexit would have occurred was a modified May deal. Johnson has chosen to throw that out the window and set down his own red lines.
Thus Boris is trying to get the only Deal Parliament will support in its current form
So the idea that Johnson is seeking to get the EU to simply agree to remove the backstop from the WA is nonsense.
C'est la vie
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.156586178
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Won't eat it. I'm on a dietOldKingCole said:
Cake? And eat it?alex. said:
I would like the EU to concede that we can stay in the Single Market and Customs Union, whilst allowing us to agree our own trade deals, the EU to agree to pay us money for access to the UK market, and a veto on any further integration measures that they would like to take that might impede on our interests.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Who's side are you on? Obviously (us true brits at least) want it to be the EU side that's conceding.alex. said:
If it's the starting point for negotations then it's not the final destination! So basically Johnson want the EU to concede even more!JBriskinindyref2 said:
It's the starting point for renegotiations. The EU is saying non.alex. said:
Johnson's chief "negotiator" was sent to Brussels where he was asked "hypothetically", whether the removal of the backstop whilst leaving all other things the same would pass the House of Commons. The answer he gave them was "no".HYUFD said:
Actually the only Brexit solution to have got a majority in the Commons is not May's Withdrawal Agreement as is, not Norway Plus, not Deal plus Customs Union, not EUref2 and not No Deal (all of which were voted down by MPs) but the Brady amendment ie the Withdrawal Agreement minus the backstop.kle4 said:
Which cannot be met. It's quite transparent and irritating as they are going for a GE while pretending that is not the intention.Mysticrose said:
I am increasingly confident that Brexit will not be 'in the bag' this autumnMarqueeMark said:An October/November election with Brexit in the bag, one way or another, leaves the following:
.
However much HYUFD jumps up and down, Parliament isn't going to let it happen. I suspect Cummings & Co know this too and they're deliberately stoking the fire, preparing for an Us vs Them vote. (Which is the kind of language Cummings speaks.)
The only way an Oct 31st Brexit would have occurred was a modified May deal. Johnson has chosen to throw that out the window and set down his own red lines.
Thus Boris is trying to get the only Deal Parliament will support in its current form
So the idea that Johnson is seeking to get the EU to simply agree to remove the backstop from the WA is nonsense.
C'est la vie
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guess they should have negotiated bettereek said:
The EU is asking what is the basis of negotiations if nothing can get through Parliament.JBriskinindyref2 said:
It's the starting point for renegotiations. The EU is saying non.alex. said:
Johnson's chief "negotiator" was sent to Brussels where he was asked "hypothetically", whether the removal of the backstop whilst leaving all other things the same would pass the House of Commons. The answer he gave them was "no".HYUFD said:
Actually the only Brexit solution to have got a majority in the Commons is not May's Withdrawal Agreement as is, not Norway Plus, not Deal plus Customs Union, not EUref2 and not No Deal (all of which were voted down by MPs) but the Brady amendment ie the Withdrawal Agreement minus the backstop.kle4 said:
Which cannot be met. It's quite transparent and irritating as they are going for a GE while pretending that is not the intention.Mysticrose said:
I am increasingly confident that Brexit will not be 'in the bag' this autumnMarqueeMark said:An October/November election with Brexit in the bag, one way or another, leaves the following:
.
However much HYUFD jumps up and down, Parliament isn't going to let it happen. I suspect Cummings & Co know this too and they're deliberately stoking the fire, preparing for an Us vs Them vote. (Which is the kind of language Cummings speaks.)
The only way an Oct 31st Brexit would have occurred was a modified May deal. Johnson has chosen to throw that out the window and set down his own red lines.
Thus Boris is trying to get the only Deal Parliament will support in its current form
So the idea that Johnson is seeking to get the EU to simply agree to remove the backstop from the WA is nonsense.
C'est la vie
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.156586178
And the purpose of the extension in the EU's eyes was to ensure they got a Parliament that could make a decision, not a new leader who has even less chance of getting things agreed.
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Strong and Stableydoethur said:
Why is the same post being repeated? Is he so dumb he can't think of a new one?eek said:
https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1161317988961853440Stark_Dawning said:
Hang one. Didn't he do that one the other day? Wonder if someone's moved the bookmark a few pages back to trick the intern.CarlottaVance said:
was yesterday
https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1160891362583166976
was Monday0 -
I don't worry too much about the effect of Brexit on me personally either. If you are small and flexible as a business there will be opportunities. The people who will suffer most will be those that are older and have a limited skill set.eek said:
Nope we are crashing out because Boris is an idiot.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Whatever - we're crashing out on no-deal because the EU is being stubborn.eek said:
The EU is asking what is the basis of negotiations if nothing can get through Parliament.JBriskinindyref2 said:
It's the starting point for renegotiations. The EU is saying non.alex. said:
Johnson's chief "negotiator" was sent to Brussels where he was asked "hypothetically", whether the removal of the backstop whilst leaving all other things the same would pass the House of Commons. The answer he gave them was "no".HYUFD said:
Actually the only Brexit solution to have got a majority in the Commons is not May's Withdrawal Agreement as is, not Norway Plus, not Deal plus Customs Union, not EUref2 and not No Deal (all of which were voted down by MPs) but the Brady amendment ie the Withdrawal Agreement minus the backstop.kle4 said:
Which cannot be met. It's quite transparent and irritating as they are going for a GE while pretending that is not the intention.Mysticrose said:
I am increasingly confident that Brexit will not be 'in the bag' this autumnMarqueeMark said:An October/November election with Brexit in the bag, one way or another, leaves the following:
.
The only way an Oct 31st Brexit would have occurred was a modified May deal. Johnson has chosen to throw that out the window and set down his own red lines.
Thus Boris is trying to get the only Deal Parliament will support in its current form
So the idea that Johnson is seeking to get the EU to simply agree to remove the backstop from the WA is nonsense.
C'est la vie
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.156586178
And the purpose of the extension in the EU's eyes was to ensure they got a Parliament that could make a decision, not a new leader who has even less chance of getting things agreed.
Stock up on canned goods.
Now personally it really, really doesn't bother me (income comes from Europe and my industry is in a boom which I'm working to make my company a key part of) but for a lot of people it's going to be a problem.
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That's Anne Main isn't it? Wasn't she one of the expenses scoundrels who brazened it out?CarlottaVance said:0 -
What's the source for that?alex. said:Johnson's chief "negotiator" was sent to Brussels where he was asked "hypothetically", whether the removal of the backstop whilst leaving all other things the same would pass the House of Commons. The answer he gave them was "no".
Because if true, it's pretty poor behaviour by Johnson.0 -
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I think it will be hard to tell until the end of the Summer holiday period, as there simply aren't that many holidays taken in the first third of this year.anothernick said:
No idea - is there any evidence that staycations are up this year? You might expect that given the dire state of the £ but I've not seen any data.MarqueeMark said:
But how much of that 8% has been made up by domestic staycations rather than going abroad?rcs1000 said:
Those figures are rather old (March), but still kind of disturbing. In the latest month on which data is available, foreign tourist spend was down 8% year-over-year.anothernick said:
Actually I think the figures for tourists in the UK this year are down, the low level of the £ notwithstanding. Foreigners seem to have decided that the UK doesn't like them - can't think where they got that idea.Beibheirli_C said:
Of course - Brexit is making the Pound slump so foreign currencies buy more Pounds.Currystardog said:Anecdote, I reckon tourism must be doing well in London, my friend has taken her son to London today and cannot do anything as the standard tourist sites are sold out or full up.
It is the Brexit Benefit - lots of forriners coming here and stopping the residents from using the facilities
https://www.visitbritain.org/latest-monthly-data-1
If the World Economic Slowdown (WES) continues, then tourism is going to be hit hard everywhere.
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She lived in Beaconsfield. Had a second home paid for as a mp in St Albans which her daughter lived in.Peter_the_Punter said:
That's Anne Main isn't it? Wasn't she one of the expenses scoundrels who brazened it out?CarlottaVance said:0 -
Ya think?rcs1000 said:
What's the source for that?alex. said:Johnson's chief "negotiator" was sent to Brussels where he was asked "hypothetically", whether the removal of the backstop whilst leaving all other things the same would pass the House of Commons. The answer he gave them was "no".
Because if true, it's pretty poor behaviour by Johnson.0 -
Yes because in reality it's Boris saying negotiations are completely pointless.viewcode said:
Ya think?rcs1000 said:
What's the source for that?alex. said:Johnson's chief "negotiator" was sent to Brussels where he was asked "hypothetically", whether the removal of the backstop whilst leaving all other things the same would pass the House of Commons. The answer he gave them was "no".
Because if true, it's pretty poor behaviour by Johnson.0 -
6,000 majority...Peter_the_Punter said:
That's Anne Main isn't it? Wasn't she one of the expenses scoundrels who brazened it out?CarlottaVance said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Main
Lovely (probably apocryphal story) about the South Angus Tory MP Jock Bruce-Gardyn who after losing to the SNP was elected in Knutsford - an Angus farmer visiting Knutsford asked what his majority was - on being told nodded and said 'Aye, it'll no be enough for Jock' I doubt 6,000 will be enough for Anne.....1 -
Wasn't really criticising you, more the papers for finding different ways to say "eh, who knows?" all summerCarlottaVance said:
Trying to be helpful for the hard of thinking.....MPs will stop it! How? Things! Stuff! Motions! - You'll see!Stereotomy said:
Such fresh new analysis!CarlottaVance said:If the government does not change, there are significant procedural issues that could prevent a majority in parliament from passing primary legislation in time to mandate an extension (or revocation). There may well be a majority of members of parliament against no deal, but that does not matter unless the majority can be converted into effective action.
https://www.ft.com/content/b58491f8-be8c-11e9-b350-db00d509634e0 -
It's almost as if - oooh, I dunno - he is deliberately lying in order to follow a policy of "failing and blaming" as a vehicle for electoral success against a split opposition, regardless of the cost to the economy. If only you spent time on an internet site in which people had been pointing that out to you...rcs1000 said:
What's the source for that?alex. said:Johnson's chief "negotiator" was sent to Brussels where he was asked "hypothetically", whether the removal of the backstop whilst leaving all other things the same would pass the House of Commons. The answer he gave them was "no".
Because if true, it's pretty poor behaviour by Johnson.
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Monmouth University, 1-4 August, Sanders 9% in fourth. (Which is the latest poll, and is A-rated by 538)Stereotomy said:
Also according to 270towin, he's third in Iowa, 4% below Warren. Where do you get fourth?Stereotomy said:
Biden is showing his age a hell of a lot more than Bernie.rcs1000 said:
True; there's a certain type of person who wants a geriatric incontinent candidate to face Trump.Nigelb said:
Except that he is also to some extent (and counterintuitively) fishing in the same pool as Biden. And he hasn't, recently.rcs1000 said:
But in Iowa he's fourth and just a smidgen above Buttigieg.Nigelb said:Bernie showing a little upward movement in the latest polls (National & S Carolina).
The big issue for Bernie is that he's largely fishing in the same pool as Elizabeth Warren, and she's been a lot more impressive than he has.
Out of interest what makes you say Warren has been more impressive?
Firehouse Strategies, 23-25 July, Sanders 11% in fourth. (Which is the second most recent poll)
Now, earlier polls show better results for Sanders, but those numbers would likely see him leave Iowa will very few delegates.
Most concerning for Sanders will be his poor "net approval" rating among Iowa Democrats. Here they are folks...Elizabeth Warren +62
Pete Buttigieg +57
Joe Biden +54
Kamala Harris +49
Cory Booker +40
Julián Castro +34
Amy Klobuchar +33
Bernie Sanders +25
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Luvvit!CarlottaVance said:
6,000 majority...Peter_the_Punter said:
That's Anne Main isn't it? Wasn't she one of the expenses scoundrels who brazened it out?CarlottaVance said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Main
Lovely (probably apocryphal story) about the South Angus Tory MP Jock Bruce-Gardyn who after losing to the SNP was elected in Knutsford - an Angus farmer visiting Knutsford asked what his majority was - on being told nodded and said 'Aye, it'll no be enough for Jock' I doubt 6,000 will be enough for Anne.....0 -
Winchcombe is full of Americans. It must feel to them like everything is free.rcs1000 said:
I think it will be hard to tell until the end of the Summer holiday period, as there simply aren't that many holidays taken in the first third of this year.anothernick said:
No idea - is there any evidence that staycations are up this year? You might expect that given the dire state of the £ but I've not seen any data.MarqueeMark said:
But how much of that 8% has been made up by domestic staycations rather than going abroad?rcs1000 said:
Those figures are rather old (March), but still kind of disturbing. In the latest month on which data is available, foreign tourist spend was down 8% year-over-year.anothernick said:
Actually I think the figures for tourists in the UK this year are down, the low level of the £ notwithstanding. Foreigners seem to have decided that the UK doesn't like them - can't think where they got that idea.Beibheirli_C said:
Of course - Brexit is making the Pound slump so foreign currencies buy more Pounds.Currystardog said:Anecdote, I reckon tourism must be doing well in London, my friend has taken her son to London today and cannot do anything as the standard tourist sites are sold out or full up.
It is the Brexit Benefit - lots of forriners coming here and stopping the residents from using the facilities
https://www.visitbritain.org/latest-monthly-data-1
If the World Economic Slowdown (WES) continues, then tourism is going to be hit hard everywhere.
(Which is not going to be good for Spain, Portugal, Italy or Greece. Or Mexico.)0 -
Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3 and for the Brady amendment, the Brady amendment passed even despite some ERG hardliners like Redwood voting against italex. said:
Johnson's chief "negotiator" was sent to Brussels where he was asked "hypothetically", whether the removal of the backstop whilst leaving all other things the same would pass the House of Commons. The answer he gave them was "no".HYUFD said:
Actually the only Brexit solution to have got a majority in the Commons is not May's Withdrawal Agreement as is, not Norway Plus, not Deal plus Customs Union, not EUref2 and not No Deal (all of which were voted down by MPs) but the Brady amendment ie the Withdrawal Agreement minus the backstop.kle4 said:
Which cannot be met. It's quite transparent and irritating as they are going for a GE while pretending that is not the intention.Mysticrose said:
I am increasingly confident that Brexit will not be 'in the bag' this autumnMarqueeMark said:An October/November election with Brexit in the bag, one way or another, leaves the following:
.
However much HYUFD jumps up and down, Parliament isn't going to let it happen. I suspect Cummings & Co know this too and they're deliberately stoking the fire, preparing for an Us vs Them vote. (Which is the kind of language Cummings speaks.)
The only way an Oct 31st Brexit would have occurred was a modified May deal. Johnson has chosen to throw that out the window and set down his own red lines.
Thus Boris is trying to get the only Deal Parliament will support in its current form
So the idea that Johnson is seeking to get the EU to simply agree to remove the backstop from the WA is nonsense.
Because apparently they want all sorts of other things changing as well - probably because they know that a significant number of "no deal" MPs only supported the Brady amendment knowing it wouldn't get anywhere and would simply waste another couple of months (whilst they would simultaneously get to portray themselves as 'reasonable' against the instransigents on the other side).0 -
Pete King is a rare GOP New York Congressman who in 2016 said Trump was 'not fit morally or intellectually to be President.' He is not a typical RepublicanScott_P said:
https://twitter.com/BBCJonSopel/status/1161667842506448896HYUFD said:Unless the Republicans regain the House of Representatives next November, though Boris has said he will not impose a hard border in Ireland anyway
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They are useless anyway, be lucky to get 3rd place this yearJBriskinindyref2 said:Big man Sam Cosgrove out injured for tomorrows pittordie clash. Pretty disastrous news.
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My question remains how can a government involving Labour appoint anyone other than Corbyn as PM, given the Labour rulebook, because it is not clear to me that such a thing is possible...Pro_Rata said:
A Corbyn resignation / unavailability would have to be prior to government, in which case Watson would assume and become PM.Pro_Rata said:
Answering my own question, it is not mandated but taken as read that the Labour Leader in government would become PM. Coalition demands that leader should not become PM or that Labour could one day be a minor coalition partner, are not considered:Chris said:
I should love to become a professional pedant, but I think there would be too much competition.Pro_Rata said:
Drat your pedantry! Such a rule would sit well with the communism though.Chris said:
Probably not, as the current prime minister, Mr Johnson, is not the leader of the Labour party.Pro_Rata said:Are there any Labour party rules that prevent someone other than party leader becoming PM? I do seem to recall something, but the details are misty.
OK. Are there any internal Labour party rules that prevent a Labour figure other than the leader becoming PM?
1.VII.1.A.viii When the party is in government, the Leader shall appoint the cabinet and all other front bench positions in their capacity as Prime Minister.
4.II.2.E.i When the party is in government and the Party Leader is prime minister and, for whatever reason, becomes permanently unavailable, the Cabinet shall...appoint one of its members to serve as party leader until a ballot....can be carried out.
Given a Cabinet is needed, it is unclear at what point Corbyn would be able, should the need or want arise, to declare himself permanently unavailable in the event of government formation.
No mechanism I can see for my pet theory that Corbyn might parachute in Long-Bailey.0
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