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No it is 46% to 43% when don't knows are included, it is 52% to 48% excluding Don't KnowsJBriskinindyref2 said:
It's 48 to 52pc when don't knows are included.HYUFD said:
If the only thing keeping Scotland and Northern Ireland in the UK is membership of the European Union it is not much of a Union anyway, though in Scotland at least even the Ashcroft poll now still only has 46% backing independence once don't knows are included despite Brexitwilliamglenn said:
More seriously, returning to @TOPPING's question about the price of Brexit, if it was a choice between Brexit and the union, would you choose Brexit? I know you previously said you didn't believe that was the choice.Charles said:
So like Brexit thenydoethur said:
Unfortunately Venezuela is at the stage where there are no easy outcomes or pleasant solutions. But there are ways things could deteriorate further.
[NB: this is a joke. I haven't changed my views]
The Union is in danger. Let's fight for it the best way we know how-
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Well, that was predictable.....
https://twitter.com/Andrew_Adonis/status/1159129003233611777?s=20
Alternative version 'UK Train Operators rejected European imposition of rules' (I still think its a pity, but its a commercial decision by those involved)0 -
Plus the more the Tories move towards Nigel the more Tory voters from the centre will move towards the Lib Dems.FF43 said:
To be sure that's why Johnson's policy is to make the Conservative Party into a not so pale shadow of the Brexit Party. Problem is, he's now at the mercy of Farage who is quite happy to destroy Johnson just as Johnson wants to destroy him.HYUFD said:
Boris does not need Farage to disappear just to take the Brexit Party down to 10% or so enabling a Tory majority as the Tories got in 2015 even with UKIP on 12%.FF43 said:
Johnson has walked into Farage's trap. His only real policy is to appropriate Brexit Party supporters to the Conservatives, by never being outflanked on the lunacy. Farage can now taunt Johnson with ever more extreme and idiotic statements and there's nothing Johnson can do about it. He can't now say, this is nonsense. He's committed.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Quite what is Farage up to?williamglenn said:No sign of Farage wanting to be helpful to Johnson.
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1159027396386938881
The Tories could not win with the Brexit Party on around 20%+ as they were polling under May but they can win if the Brexit Party are polling only around 10 to 15% as they are now0 -
The UK is not a Patagonian sheep farm, not that there is much wrong with Patagonian sheep farmswilliamglenn said:
"If you don't want to live on a Patagonian sheep farm with me, it's not much of a marriage anyway."HYUFD said:
If the only thing keeping Scotland and Northern Ireland in the UK is membership of the European Union it is not much of a Union anyway, though in Scotland at least even the Ashcroft poll now still only has 46% backing independence once don't knows are included despite Brexitwilliamglenn said:
More seriously, returning to @TOPPING's question about the price of Brexit, if it was a choice between Brexit and the union, would you choose Brexit? I know you previously said you didn't believe that was the choice.Charles said:
So like Brexit thenydoethur said:
Unfortunately Venezuela is at the stage where there are no easy outcomes or pleasant solutions. But there are ways things could deteriorate further.
[NB: this is a joke. I haven't changed my views]0 -
Do you need your irony meters calibrating, if so this tweet will help you do so.
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/11591452539176017921 -
Well it's crap news for us yoons anyway - it's alright for you English folk - but our only fun up here is Irn-Bru; that's no way to run a country.HYUFD said:
No it is 46% to 43% when don't knows are included, it is 52% to 48% excluding Don't KnowsJBriskinindyref2 said:
It's 48 to 52pc when don't knows are included.HYUFD said:
If the only thing keeping Scotland and Northern Ireland in the UK is membership of the European Union it is not much of a Union anyway, though in Scotland at least even the Ashcroft poll now still only has 46% backing independence once don't knows are included despite Brexitwilliamglenn said:
More seriously, returning to @TOPPING's question about the price of Brexit, if it was a choice between Brexit and the union, would you choose Brexit? I know you previously said you didn't believe that was the choice.Charles said:
So like Brexit thenydoethur said:
Unfortunately Venezuela is at the stage where there are no easy outcomes or pleasant solutions. But there are ways things could deteriorate further.
[NB: this is a joke. I haven't changed my views]
The Union is in danger. Let's fight for it the best way we know how-
#Carling4Tennents4indyref20 -
Bang in the middle of it right now.CarlottaVance said:IndyRef2 Nicola?
https://twitter.com/metoffice/status/1159143618013257728?s=20
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Farage only destroys Boris if he repeats the 20%+ or so the Brexit Party got under May, at the moment with the Brexit Party down to about 10 to 15% it is Boris destroying FarageFF43 said:
To be sure that's why Johnson's policy is to make the Conservative Party into a not so pale shadow of the Brexit Party. Problem is, he's now at the mercy of Farage who is quite happy to destroy Johnson just as Johnson wants to destroy him.HYUFD said:
Boris does not need Farage to disappear just to take the Brexit Party down to 10% or so enabling a Tory majority as the Tories got in 2015 even with UKIP on 12%.FF43 said:
Johnson has walked into Farage's trap. His only real policy is to appropriate Brexit Party supporters to the Conservatives, by never being outflanked on the lunacy. Farage can now taunt Johnson with ever more extreme and idiotic statements and there's nothing Johnson can do about it. He can't now say, this is nonsense. He's committed.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Quite what is Farage up to?williamglenn said:No sign of Farage wanting to be helpful to Johnson.
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1159027396386938881
The Tories could not win with the Brexit Party on around 20%+ as they were polling under May but they can win if the Brexit Party are polling only around 10 to 15% as they are now0 -
The thing about Corbyn is, he just doesn't get English irony.TheScreamingEagles said:Do you need your irony meters calibrating, if so this tweet will help you do so.
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/11591452539176017920 -
"We must confront this racist bigotry wherever it rears its ugly head"
Let's hope the electorate gets the message.0 -
If GBP falls then the probability of inflation rises, then the amount of expenditure rises without any guarantee of a matching wage rise. Should wages then also rise to keep up then the profit earned by the employer will fall as wage bill rises and supply cost also rises. The reduction of profit results in a reduced amount of employment as the number of people that can be employed reduces.Philip_Thompson said:
What evidence?FF43 said:
Why should anyone slightly objective believe that, contrary to the evidence they can see?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Brexit will be a success. The EU is making it very difficult to leave, because they don't want anyone else to leave.FF43 said:
If Brexit was going to be a success, we would have left by now, the Leave plan detailing the steps to success would be in execution, negotiations would be firming up and the so called Remainiacs would be keeping very quiet...JBriskinindyref2 said:
Only Remainiacs think it's not going to work and they've been saying that since 24th July 2016 - almost like they're just whining about not winning.FF43 said:
In business or daily life when you make a decision to discover later it's not going to work, you pause and either cancel it or delay until you get the issues resolved. That's a sensible way of doing things.
Please excuse me while I get over my (bitter) laughter...
Leavers will blame the EU, Remainers, anyone except themselves, for the consequences of their decision. But blame doesn't substitute for success.
We'll have some hiccups short term - but medium run we're quids in.
The reason people are harping on about bollocks like sterling when we both earn our income and spend our expenditure in sterling so it's moot is because there is no real evidence.
Employment is up, wages are up, inflation is low. A trifecta of good news but why let that stand in the way of a good moan?
This description matches the 1960s/70s, where a pulse in inflation produced by a quadrupling of petrol prices following[1] a Middle Eastern war resulted in higher wage claims, double-digit inflation, an increase of unemployment ("Labour Isn't Working" derives from this period) and concomitant strikes and social unrest. This phenomenon where growth stalls, inflation and unemployment rises simultaneously is known as "stagflation" and is difficult to eradicate, as James Callaghan and Margaret Thatcher later found out.
You are trying to decouple the exchange rate, inflation, unemployment and growth. This is not a good approach.
[1] yes I know, also the collapse of Bretton Woods, the retreat from Empire, and possibly the popularity of Angel Delight.0 -
Isn't that a basic requirement for appointment to the Trump White House, anyway ?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
At the moment.HYUFD said:
Farage only destroys Boris if he repeats the 20%+ or so the Brexit Party got under May, at the moment with the Brexit Party down to about 10 to 15% it is Boris destroying FarageFF43 said:
To be sure that's why Johnson's policy is to make the Conservative Party into a not so pale shadow of the Brexit Party. Problem is, he's now at the mercy of Farage who is quite happy to destroy Johnson just as Johnson wants to destroy him.HYUFD said:
Boris does not need Farage to disappear just to take the Brexit Party down to 10% or so enabling a Tory majority as the Tories got in 2015 even with UKIP on 12%.FF43 said:
Johnson has walked into Farage's trap. His only real policy is to appropriate Brexit Party supporters to the Conservatives, by never being outflanked on the lunacy. Farage can now taunt Johnson with ever more extreme and idiotic statements and there's nothing Johnson can do about it. He can't now say, this is nonsense. He's committed.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Quite what is Farage up to?williamglenn said:No sign of Farage wanting to be helpful to Johnson.
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1159027396386938881
The Tories could not win with the Brexit Party on around 20%+ as they were polling under May but they can win if the Brexit Party are polling only around 10 to 15% as they are now
Farage won't help Johnson to make the moment last. He will attack Johnson on commitment and execution. Every time Johnson does something batshit, Farage will say something batshittier. It's a bidding war of crazy that only Farage can win.0 -
Rcs1000 re "But it still doesn't change the fact that UK debt-to-GDP has risen from 34.3% to 87.4%."
but 435bn of that debt is owned by the BOE (over 20% of GDP), and has effectively been written off, (given that the FED have just abandoned attempts to sell off its own QE bond holdings in the USA).
so that 87.4% number is quite misleading surely?
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Why are you so prejudiced about the Welsh?williamglenn said:
"If you don't want to live on a Patagonian sheep farm with me, it's not much of a marriage anyway."HYUFD said:
If the only thing keeping Scotland and Northern Ireland in the UK is membership of the European Union it is not much of a Union anyway, though in Scotland at least even the Ashcroft poll now still only has 46% backing independence once don't knows are included despite Brexitwilliamglenn said:
More seriously, returning to @TOPPING's question about the price of Brexit, if it was a choice between Brexit and the union, would you choose Brexit? I know you previously said you didn't believe that was the choice.Charles said:
So like Brexit thenydoethur said:
Unfortunately Venezuela is at the stage where there are no easy outcomes or pleasant solutions. But there are ways things could deteriorate further.
[NB: this is a joke. I haven't changed my views]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y_Wladfa0 -
1. Corbyn, for all his sincerely held beliefs, isn't that bright.ydoethur said:
The thing about Corbyn is, he just doesn't get English irony.TheScreamingEagles said:Do you need your irony meters calibrating, if so this tweet will help you do so.
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1159145253917601792
2. Corbyn, sincerely believes in the rights of the oppressed which leads to
3. Corbyn, being blind to the anti-semitism of some of the supporters of those oppressed.
I don't think he's a bad man, just not a very bright one, completely and disastrously unsuited for the role he currently occupies, surrounded by manipulative people I would not extend the same benefit of the doubt to. I'm sure if I ever met him and said 'Jeremy, meet my Jewish friend Simon' he would be genuinely pleased to meet him....as long as we steered clear of Israel/Palestine....)0 -
Might that not be akin to an emperor's new clothes striptease competition, though ?FF43 said:
At the moment.HYUFD said:
Farage only destroys Boris if he repeats the 20%+ or so the Brexit Party got under May, at the moment with the Brexit Party down to about 10 to 15% it is Boris destroying FarageFF43 said:
To be sure that's why Johnson's policy is to make the Conservative Party into a not so pale shadow of the Brexit Party. Problem is, he's now at the mercy of Farage who is quite happy to destroy Johnson just as Johnson wants to destroy him.HYUFD said:
Boris does not need Farage to disappear just to take the Brexit Party down to 10% or so enabling a Tory majority as the Tories got in 2015 even with UKIP on 12%.FF43 said:
Johnson has walked into Farage's trap. His only real policy is to appropriate Brexit Party supporters to the Conservatives, by never being outflanked on the lunacy. Farage can now taunt Johnson with ever more extreme and idiotic statements and there's nothing Johnson can do about it. He can't now say, this is nonsense. He's committed.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Quite what is Farage up to?williamglenn said:No sign of Farage wanting to be helpful to Johnson.
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1159027396386938881
The Tories could not win with the Brexit Party on around 20%+ as they were polling under May but they can win if the Brexit Party are polling only around 10 to 15% as they are now
Farage won't help Johnson to make the moment last. He will attack Johnson on commitment and execution. Every time Johnson does something batshit, Farage will say something batshittier. It's a bidding war of crazy that only Farage can win.
At some point, some of their voters might realise how unsightly the whole mess is.0 -
What on earth is this drivel about earning our income in sterling and spending our expenditure in sterling?Philip_Thompson said:
What evidence?FF43 said:
Why should anyone slightly objective believe that, contrary to the evidence they can see?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Brexit will be a success. The EU is making it very difficult to leave, because they don't want anyone else to leave.FF43 said:
If Brexit was going to be a success, we would have left by now, the Leave plan detailing the steps to success would be in execution, negotiations would be firming up and the so called Remainiacs would be keeping very quiet...JBriskinindyref2 said:
Only Remainiacs think it's not going to work and they've been saying that since 24th July 2016 - almost like they're just whining about not winning.FF43 said:
In business or daily life when you make a decision to discover later it's not going to work, you pause and either cancel it or delay until you get the issues resolved. That's a sensible way of doing things.Richard_Nabavi said:
This is an interesting point. People often say, reasonably enough, that if you can't get a good enough deal, you should walk away from it.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Or to say, "to be honest, the best deal available really wasn't as good as we'd hoped. So let's revoke, remain, and tackle the myriad other issues facing Britain and the world."
The thing is, though, that in normal cases - such as selling your car - if you walk away from the deal, you revert to the status quo. You don't get left with the burnt-out hulk of your car and no money. The status quo in this case is Remain, and the way to walk away from the deal if we don't like it is to revoke Article 50.
Please excuse me while I get over my (bitter) laughter...
Leavers will blame the EU, Remainers, anyone except themselves, for the consequences of their decision. But blame doesn't substitute for success.
We'll have some hiccups short term - but medium run we're quids in.
The reason people are harping on about bollocks like sterling when we both earn our income and spend our expenditure in sterling so it's moot is because there is no real evidence.
Employment is up, wages are up, inflation is low. A trifecta of good news but why let that stand in the way of a good moan?
Is the lunatic fringe now assuming we're going to stop trading with the rest of the world altogether on 31 October?0 -
Farage can always play the card of saying that the political class lied to us for 40 years about the EU and blame them for the impossibility of Brexit. You can already see in some of the comments on here how receptive Brexit supporters are to that message.Nigelb said:
Might that not be akin to an emperor's new clothes striptease competition, though ?FF43 said:
At the moment.HYUFD said:
Farage only destroys Boris if he repeats the 20%+ or so the Brexit Party got under May, at the moment with the Brexit Party down to about 10 to 15% it is Boris destroying FarageFF43 said:
To be sure that's why Johnson's policy is to make the Conservative Party into a not so pale shadow of the Brexit Party. Problem is, he's now at the mercy of Farage who is quite happy to destroy Johnson just as Johnson wants to destroy him.HYUFD said:
Boris does not need Farage to disappear just to take the Brexit Party down to 10% or so enabling a Tory majority as the Tories got in 2015 even with UKIP on 12%.FF43 said:
Johnson has walked into Farage's trap. His only real policy is to appropriate Brexit Party supporters to the Conservatives, by never being outflanked on the lunacy. Farage can now taunt Johnson with ever more extreme and idiotic statements and there's nothing Johnson can do about it. He can't now say, this is nonsense. He's committed.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Quite what is Farage up to?williamglenn said:No sign of Farage wanting to be helpful to Johnson.
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1159027396386938881
The Tories could not win with the Brexit Party on around 20%+ as they were polling under May but they can win if the Brexit Party are polling only around 10 to 15% as they are now
Farage won't help Johnson to make the moment last. He will attack Johnson on commitment and execution. Every time Johnson does something batshit, Farage will say something batshittier. It's a bidding war of crazy that only Farage can win.
At some point, some of their voters might realise how unsightly the whole mess is.0 -
Farage must be really pissed off then that so far Boris has done nothing "batshit".FF43 said:
At the moment.HYUFD said:
Farage only destroys Boris if he repeats the 20%+ or so the Brexit Party got under May, at the moment with the Brexit Party down to about 10 to 15% it is Boris destroying FarageFF43 said:
To be sure that's why Johnson's policy is to make the Conservative Party into a not so pale shadow of the Brexit Party. Problem is, he's now at the mercy of Farage who is quite happy to destroy Johnson just as Johnson wants to destroy him.HYUFD said:
Boris does not need Farage to disappear just to take the Brexit Party down to 10% or so enabling a Tory majority as the Tories got in 2015 even with UKIP on 12%.FF43 said:
Johnson has walked into Farage's trap. His only real policy is to appropriate Brexit Party supporters to the Conservatives, by never being outflanked on the lunacy. Farage can now taunt Johnson with ever more extreme and idiotic statements and there's nothing Johnson can do about it. He can't now say, this is nonsense. He's committed.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Quite what is Farage up to?williamglenn said:No sign of Farage wanting to be helpful to Johnson.
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1159027396386938881
The Tories could not win with the Brexit Party on around 20%+ as they were polling under May but they can win if the Brexit Party are polling only around 10 to 15% as they are now
Farage won't help Johnson to make the moment last. He will attack Johnson on commitment and execution. Every time Johnson does something batshit, Farage will say something batshittier. It's a bidding war of crazy that only Farage can win.0 -
Warren has a less incoherent plan for expanding broadband access than Boris, and she's not even a candidate yet...
https://www.wired.com/story/elizabeth-warren-unveils-plan-expand-broadband-access/0 -
"The Bad Boys Of Brexit" contains an anecdote about Farage, Banks (and Wiggy?) skinny-dipping naked in Bournemouth immediately after the Referendum result.Nigelb said:
Might that not be akin to an emperor's new clothes striptease competition, though ?FF43 said:
At the moment.HYUFD said:
Farage only destroys Boris if he repeats the 20%+ or so the Brexit Party got under May, at the moment with the Brexit Party down to about 10 to 15% it is Boris destroying FarageFF43 said:
To be sure that's why Johnson's policy is to make the Conservative Party into a not so pale shadow of the Brexit Party. Problem is, he's now at the mercy of Farage who is quite happy to destroy Johnson just as Johnson wants to destroy him.HYUFD said:
Boris does not need Farage to disappear just to take the Brexit Party down to 10% or so enabling a Tory majority as the Tories got in 2015 even with UKIP on 12%.FF43 said:
Johnson has walked into Farage's trap. His only real policy is to appropriate Brexit Party supporters to the Conservatives, by never being outflanked on the lunacy. Farage can now taunt Johnson with ever more extreme and idiotic statements and there's nothing Johnson can do about it. He can't now say, this is nonsense. He's committed.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Quite what is Farage up to?williamglenn said:No sign of Farage wanting to be helpful to Johnson.
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1159027396386938881
The Tories could not win with the Brexit Party on around 20%+ as they were polling under May but they can win if the Brexit Party are polling only around 10 to 15% as they are now
Farage won't help Johnson to make the moment last. He will attack Johnson on commitment and execution. Every time Johnson does something batshit, Farage will say something batshittier. It's a bidding war of crazy that only Farage can win.
At some point, some of their voters might realise how unsightly the whole mess is.
Pause.
You will never get that image out of your head now. It's like watching tobacco-stained walruses playing Penis Lightsabres.0 -
But which, based on recent form, would only work on Android. Well I suppose some PB Brexiteers would spin that as being for the common people and one in the eye for the Apple-using elites.Stark_Dawning said:
I wonder how the dairy rationing will work. The government could look really modern and techie if, instead of issuing paper coupons, it developed some kind of app.ydoethur said:
Brie I can take or leave. If they ration Cheddar than every politician who voted against the WA needs to write their will.SandyRentool said:
Man the barricades in Notting Hill if they ration Good Brie.Scott_P said:12/1 the government will officially announce food rationing this year
11/1 on Milk
125/1 on Prosecco0 -
Yeah it's a little known fact in England that once Scotland becomes independent, Nicola Sturgeon will instantly explode into a billion twinkling motes of light and ascend to a higher planeCarlottaVance said:0 -
The rest of the world does not exist and anybody who suggests it does is an unpatriotic RemoanerChris said:
What on earth is this drivel about earning our income in sterling and spending our expenditure in sterling?Philip_Thompson said:
What evidence?FF43 said:
Why should anyone slightly objective believe that, contrary to the evidence they can see?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Brexit will be a success. The EU is making it very difficult to leave, because they don't want anyone else to leave.FF43 said:
If Brexit was going to be a success, we would have left by now, the Leave plan detailing the steps to success would be in execution, negotiations would be firming up and the so called Remainiacs would be keeping very quiet...JBriskinindyref2 said:
Only Remainiacs think it's not going to work and they've been saying that since 24th July 2016 - almost like they're just whining about not winning.FF43 said:
In business or daily life when you make a decision to discover later it's not going to work, you pause and either cancel it or delay until you get the issues resolved. That's a sensible way of doing things.Richard_Nabavi said:
This is an interesting point. People often say, reasonably enough, that if you can't get a good enough deal, you should walk away from it.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Or to say, "to be honest, the best deal available really wasn't as good as we'd hoped. So let's revoke, remain, and tackle the myriad other issues facing Britain and the world."
The thing is, though, that in normal cases - such as selling your car - if you walk away from the deal, you revert to the status quo. You don't get left with the burnt-out hulk of your car and no money. The status quo in this case is Remain, and the way to walk away from the deal if we don't like it is to revoke Article 50.
Please excuse me while I get over my (bitter) laughter...
Leavers will blame the EU, Remainers, anyone except themselves, for the consequences of their decision. But blame doesn't substitute for success.
We'll have some hiccups short term - but medium run we're quids in.
The reason people are harping on about bollocks like sterling when we both earn our income and spend our expenditure in sterling so it's moot is because there is no real evidence.
Employment is up, wages are up, inflation is low. A trifecta of good news but why let that stand in the way of a good moan?
Is the lunatic fringe now assuming we're going to stop trading with the rest of the world altogether on 31 October?1 -
Relatively speaking, of course. Johnson hasn't been more batshit than Farage. Farage will keep it that way.MarqueeMark said:
Farage must be really pissed off then that so far Boris has done nothing "batshit".FF43 said:
At the moment.HYUFD said:
Farage only destroys Boris if he repeats the 20%+ or so the Brexit Party got under May, at the moment with the Brexit Party down to about 10 to 15% it is Boris destroying FarageFF43 said:
To be sure that's why Johnson's policy is to make the Conservative Party into a not so pale shadow of the Brexit Party. Problem is, he's now at the mercy of Farage who is quite happy to destroy Johnson just as Johnson wants to destroy him.HYUFD said:
Boris does not need Farage to disappear just to take the Brexit Party down to 10% or so enabling a Tory majority as the Tories got in 2015 even with UKIP on 12%.FF43 said:
Johnson has walked into Farage's trap. His only real policy is to appropriate Brexit Party supporters to the Conservatives, by never being outflanked on the lunacy. Farage can now taunt Johnson with ever more extreme and idiotic statements and there's nothing Johnson can do about it. He can't now say, this is nonsense. He's committed.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Quite what is Farage up to?williamglenn said:No sign of Farage wanting to be helpful to Johnson.
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1159027396386938881
The Tories could not win with the Brexit Party on around 20%+ as they were polling under May but they can win if the Brexit Party are polling only around 10 to 15% as they are now
Farage won't help Johnson to make the moment last. He will attack Johnson on commitment and execution. Every time Johnson does something batshit, Farage will say something batshittier. It's a bidding war of crazy that only Farage can win.0 -
Well said that man. It amazes me how the SNP get such an easy ride in the British media.CarlottaVance said:0 -
You are wasting your time. I've been there and done that.Chris said:
What on earth is this drivel about earning our income in sterling and spending our expenditure in sterling?Philip_Thompson said:
What evidence?FF43 said:
Why should anyone slightly objective believe that, contrary to the evidence they can see?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Brexit will be a success. The EU is making it very difficult to leave, because they don't want anyone else to leave.FF43 said:
If Brexit was going to be a success, we would have left by now, the Leave plan detailing the steps to success would be in execution, negotiations would be firming up and the so called Remainiacs would be keeping very quiet...JBriskinindyref2 said:
Only Remainiacs think it's not going to work and they've been saying that since 24th July 2016 - almost like they're just whining about not winning.FF43 said:
In business or daily life when you make a decision to discover later it's not going to work, you pause and either cancel it or delay until you get the issues resolved. That's a sensible way of doing things.Richard_Nabavi said:
.....................SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Or to say, "to be honest, the best deal available really wasn't as good as we'd hoped. So let's revoke, remain, and tackle the myriad other issues facing Britain and the world."
The thing is, though, that in normal cases - such as selling your car - if you walk away from the deal, you revert to the status quo. You don't get left with the burnt-out hulk of your car and no money. The status quo in this case is Remain, and the way to walk away from the deal if we don't like it is to revoke Article 50.
Please excuse me while I get over my (bitter) laughter...
Leavers will blame the EU, Remainers, anyone except themselves, for the consequences of their decision. But blame doesn't substitute for success.
We'll have some hiccups short term - but medium run we're quids in.
The reason people are harping on about bollocks like sterling when we both earn our income and spend our expenditure in sterling so it's moot is because there is no real evidence.
Employment is up, wages are up, inflation is low. A trifecta of good news but why let that stand in the way of a good moan?
Is the lunatic fringe now assuming we're going to stop trading with the rest of the world altogether on 31 October?
It appears that the gain I have made on swiss shares I hold quoted in swiss francs is not real nor the increase in the cost of my holiday to Iceland. These are figments of my imagination.0 -
If I listed all the science-fiction movies in which that is actually the ending, I'd embarrass myself further than I already have.Stereotomy said:
Yeah it's a little known fact in England that once Scotland becomes independent, Nicola Sturgeon will instantly explode into a billion twinkling motes of light and ascend to a higher planeCarlottaVance said:1 -
Because most people in England just shrug their shoulders and think it is up to the people in Scotland.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Well said that man. It amazes me how the SNP get such an easy ride in the British media.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Presumably if there is a no deal Brexit we can rely on a US emergency airdrop of Kraft cheese slices to reduce our dairy trade deficit.
And next week a reminder that the Greens don't like fossil fuelsCarlottaVance said:0 -
Bolton and others should know better - they're SF equivalents and should be treated as such.SandyRentool said:
Because most people in England just shrug their shoulders and think it is up to the people in Scotland.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Well said that man. It amazes me how the SNP get such an easy ride in the British media.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Who do you want to dub the voice of Nicola Sturgeon?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Bolton and others should know better - they're SF equivalents and should be treated as such.SandyRentool said:
Because most people in England just shrug their shoulders and think it is up to the people in Scotland.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Well said that man. It amazes me how the SNP get such an easy ride in the British media.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Fenman said:
Most of them would be prepared to sacrifice their great-grandchildrenAnorak said:
A fat fraction of the leaver community is happy to chuck both NI and Scotland in the bin to achieve their nirvana, why do you think a poxy rock on the coast of Spain will give them a moment's pause.Gardenwalker said:
And their children and grand children I’ve watched children and grand children pleading with that generation to vote remain to be told ‘we know better than you cause we’re older so we’re voting leave.Fenman said:
Most of them would be prepared to sacrifice their great-grandchildrenAnorak said:
A fat fraction of the leaver community is happy to chuck both NI and Scotland in the bin to achieve their nirvana, why do you think a poxy rock on the coast of Spain will give them a moment's pause.Gardenwalker said:0 -
the little krankie womanwilliamglenn said:
Who do you want to dub the voice of Nicola Sturgeon?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Bolton and others should know better - they're SF equivalents and should be treated as such.SandyRentool said:
Because most people in England just shrug their shoulders and think it is up to the people in Scotland.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Well said that man. It amazes me how the SNP get such an easy ride in the British media.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Johnson is Farage's prisoner. He can't say, I'll pass on this one, because Farage will tear him to pieces. For example, someone puts forward a suggestion that could be a way out on the backstop. Just discussing it takes him a few days past October 31. He will have to shut it down in the most public and emphatic way because of what Farage will do to him.Nigelb said:
Might that not be akin to an emperor's new clothes striptease competition, though ?FF43 said:
At the moment.HYUFD said:
Farage only destroys Boris if he repeats the 20%+ or so the Brexit Party got under May, at the moment with the Brexit Party down to about 10 to 15% it is Boris destroying FarageFF43 said:
To be sure that's why Johnson's policy is to make the Conservative Party into a not so pale shadow of the Brexit Party. Problem is, he's now at the mercy of Farage who is quite happy to destroy Johnson just as Johnson wants to destroy him.HYUFD said:
Boris does not need Farage to disappear just to take the Brexit Party down to 10% or so enabling a Tory majority as the Tories got in 2015 even with UKIP on 12%.FF43 said:
Johnson has walked into Farage's trap. His only real policy is to appropriate Brexit Party supporters to the Conservatives, by never being outflanked on the lunacy. Farage can now taunt Johnson with ever more extreme and idiotic statements and there's nothing Johnson can do about it. He can't now say, this is nonsense. He's committed.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Quite what is Farage up to?williamglenn said:No sign of Farage wanting to be helpful to Johnson.
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1159027396386938881
The Tories could not win with the Brexit Party on around 20%+ as they were polling under May but they can win if the Brexit Party are polling only around 10 to 15% as they are now
Farage won't help Johnson to make the moment last. He will attack Johnson on commitment and execution. Every time Johnson does something batshit, Farage will say something batshittier. It's a bidding war of crazy that only Farage can win.
At some point, some of their voters might realise how unsightly the whole mess is.0 -
Pardon?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Bolton and others should know better - they're SF equivalents and should be treated as such.SandyRentool said:
Because most people in England just shrug their shoulders and think it is up to the people in Scotland.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Well said that man. It amazes me how the SNP get such an easy ride in the British media.CarlottaVance said:
SF are the political arm of a paramilitary organisation with a very long and bloody history of killing innocent people.
The SNP are a mainstream left of centre political movement which believes in an independent Scotland. They have absolutely no association with terrorism (or freedom fighters if you happen to prefer that term) and have never - at least in modern times - advocated or acted as apologists for violence as a means to achieve their ends.
The comparison would be offensive to most reasonable people.0 -
"Batshit Boris" is the dog that hasn't barked. Your disappointment is palpable....FF43 said:
Relatively speaking, of course. Johnson hasn't been more batshit than Farage. Farage will keep it that way.MarqueeMark said:
Farage must be really pissed off then that so far Boris has done nothing "batshit".FF43 said:
At the moment.HYUFD said:
Farage only destroys Boris if he repeats the 20%+ or so the Brexit Party got under May, at the moment with the Brexit Party down to about 10 to 15% it is Boris destroying FarageFF43 said:
To be sure that's why Johnson's policy is to make the Conservative Party into a not so pale shadow of the Brexit Party. Problem is, he's now at the mercy of Farage who is quite happy to destroy Johnson just as Johnson wants to destroy him.HYUFD said:
Boris does not need Farage to disappear just to take the Brexit Party down to 10% or so enabling a Tory majority as the Tories got in 2015 even with UKIP on 12%.FF43 said:
Johnson has walked into Farage's trap. His only real policy is to appropriate Brexit Party supporters to the Conservatives, by never being outflanked on the lunacy. Farage can now taunt Johnson with ever more extreme and idiotic statements and there's nothing Johnson can do about it. He can't now say, this is nonsense. He's committed.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Quite what is Farage up to?williamglenn said:No sign of Farage wanting to be helpful to Johnson.
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1159027396386938881
The Tories could not win with the Brexit Party on around 20%+ as they were polling under May but they can win if the Brexit Party are polling only around 10 to 15% as they are now
Farage won't help Johnson to make the moment last. He will attack Johnson on commitment and execution. Every time Johnson does something batshit, Farage will say something batshittier. It's a bidding war of crazy that only Farage can win.0 -
They're both want the destruction of the UK - that's equivalence enough for me. If I had my way the SNP top brass would all be in jail for SeditionRichard_Tyndall said:
Pardon?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Bolton and others should know better - they're SF equivalents and should be treated as such.SandyRentool said:
Because most people in England just shrug their shoulders and think it is up to the people in Scotland.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Well said that man. It amazes me how the SNP get such an easy ride in the British media.CarlottaVance said:
SF are the political arm of a paramilitary organisation with a very long and bloody history of killing innocent people.
The SNP are a mainstream left of centre political movement which believes in an independent Scotland. They have absolutely no association with terrorism (or freedom fighters if you happen to prefer that term) and have never - at least in modern times - advocated or acted as apologists for violence as a means to achieve their ends.
The comparison would be offensive to most reasonable people.0 -
Is it?viewcode said:
"The Bad Boys Of Brexit" contains an anecdote about Farage, Banks (and Wiggy?) skinny-dipping naked in Bournemouth immediately after the Referendum result.Nigelb said:
Might that not be akin to an emperor's new clothes striptease competition, though ?FF43 said:
At the moment.HYUFD said:
Farage only destroys Boris if he repeats the 20%+ or so the Brexit Party got under May, at the moment with the Brexit Party down to about 10 to 15% it is Boris destroying FarageFF43 said:
To be sure that's why Johnson's policy is to make the Conservative Party into a not so pale shadow of the Brexit Party. Problem is, he's now at the mercy of Farage who is quite happy to destroy Johnson just as Johnson wants to destroy him.HYUFD said:
Boris does not need Farage to disappear just to take the Brexit Party down to 10% or so enabling a Tory majority as the Tories got in 2015 even with UKIP on 12%.FF43 said:
Johnson has walked into Farage's trap. His only real policy is to appropriate Brexit Party supporters to the Conservatives, by never being outflanked on the lunacy. Farage can now taunt Johnson with ever more extreme and idiotic statements and there's nothing Johnson can do about it. He can't now say, this is nonsense. He's committed.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Quite what is Farage up to?williamglenn said:No sign of Farage wanting to be helpful to Johnson.
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1159027396386938881
The Tories could not win with the Brexit Party on around 20%+ as they were polling under May but they can win if the Brexit Party are polling only around 10 to 15% as they are now
Farage won't help Johnson to make the moment last. He will attack Johnson on commitment and execution. Every time Johnson does something batshit, Farage will say something batshittier. It's a bidding war of crazy that only Farage can win.
At some point, some of their voters might realise how unsightly the whole mess is.
Pause.
You will never get that image out of your head now. It's like watching tobacco-stained walruses playing Penis Lightsabres.0 -
And what of the people who vote for them?JBriskinindyref2 said:
They're both want the destruction of the UK - that's equivalence enough for me. If I had my way the SNP top brass would all be in jail for SeditionRichard_Tyndall said:
Pardon?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Bolton and others should know better - they're SF equivalents and should be treated as such.SandyRentool said:
Because most people in England just shrug their shoulders and think it is up to the people in Scotland.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Well said that man. It amazes me how the SNP get such an easy ride in the British media.CarlottaVance said:
SF are the political arm of a paramilitary organisation with a very long and bloody history of killing innocent people.
The SNP are a mainstream left of centre political movement which believes in an independent Scotland. They have absolutely no association with terrorism (or freedom fighters if you happen to prefer that term) and have never - at least in modern times - advocated or acted as apologists for violence as a means to achieve their ends.
The comparison would be offensive to most reasonable people.0 -
Boris won't even consider putting alternatives to the backstop to the EU until he has a majority, however to get that majority he has to be prepared to go for No DealFF43 said:
Johnson is Farage's prisoner. He can't say, I'll pass on this one, because Farage will tear him to pieces. For example, someone puts forward a suggestion that could be a way out on the backstop. Just discussing it takes him a few days past October 31. He will have to shut it down in the most public and emphatic way because of what Farage will do to him.Nigelb said:
Might that not be akin to an emperor's new clothes striptease competition, though ?FF43 said:
At the moment.HYUFD said:
Farage only destroys Boris if he repeats the 20%+ or so the Brexit Party got under May, at the moment with the Brexit Party down to about 10 to 15% it is Boris destroying FarageFF43 said:
To be sure that's why Johnson's policy is to make the Conservative Party into a not so pale shadow of the Brexit Party. Problem is, he's now at the mercy of Farage who is quite happy to destroy Johnson just as Johnson wants to destroy him.HYUFD said:
Boris does not need Farage to disappear just to take the Brexit Party down to 10% or so enabling a Tory majority as the Tories got in 2015 even with UKIP on 12%.FF43 said:
Johnson has walked into Farage's trap. His only real policy is to appropriate Brexit Party supporters to the Conservatives, by never being outflanked on the lunacy. Farage can now taunt Johnson with ever more extreme and idiotic statements and there's nothing Johnson can do about it. He can't now say, this is nonsense. He's committed.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Quite what is Farage up to?williamglenn said:No sign of Farage wanting to be helpful to Johnson.
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1159027396386938881
The Tories could not win with the Brexit Party on around 20%+ as they were polling under May but they can win if the Brexit Party are polling only around 10 to 15% as they are now
Farage won't help Johnson to make the moment last. He will attack Johnson on commitment and execution. Every time Johnson does something batshit, Farage will say something batshittier. It's a bidding war of crazy that only Farage can win.
At some point, some of their voters might realise how unsightly the whole mess is.0 -
It would be impractical to jail all of them - but maybe a few could be used as examplessolarflare said:
And what of the people who vote for them?JBriskinindyref2 said:
They're both want the destruction of the UK - that's equivalence enough for me. If I had my way the SNP top brass would all be in jail for SeditionRichard_Tyndall said:
Pardon?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Bolton and others should know better - they're SF equivalents and should be treated as such.SandyRentool said:
Because most people in England just shrug their shoulders and think it is up to the people in Scotland.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Well said that man. It amazes me how the SNP get such an easy ride in the British media.CarlottaVance said:
SF are the political arm of a paramilitary organisation with a very long and bloody history of killing innocent people.
The SNP are a mainstream left of centre political movement which believes in an independent Scotland. They have absolutely no association with terrorism (or freedom fighters if you happen to prefer that term) and have never - at least in modern times - advocated or acted as apologists for violence as a means to achieve their ends.
The comparison would be offensive to most reasonable people.0 -
Su Pollard. Just for fun.williamglenn said:
Who do you want to dub the voice of Nicola Sturgeon?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Bolton and others should know better - they're SF equivalents and should be treated as such.SandyRentool said:
Because most people in England just shrug their shoulders and think it is up to the people in Scotland.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Well said that man. It amazes me how the SNP get such an easy ride in the British media.CarlottaVance said:1 -
Don't be too concerned, in 1995 in the second Quebec independence referendum Yes led most final polls but most Don't Knows voted to stay in Canada and and No won by a narrow 51% to 49% marginJBriskinindyref2 said:
Well it's crap news for us yoons anyway - it's alright for you English folk - but our only fun up here is Irn-Bru; that's no way to run a country.HYUFD said:
No it is 46% to 43% when don't knows are included, it is 52% to 48% excluding Don't KnowsJBriskinindyref2 said:
It's 48 to 52pc when don't knows are included.HYUFD said:
If the only thing keeping Scotland and Northern Ireland in the UK is membership of the European Union it is not much of a Union anyway, though in Scotland at least even the Ashcroft poll now still only has 46% backing independence once don't knows are included despite Brexitwilliamglenn said:
More seriously, returning to @TOPPING's question about the price of Brexit, if it was a choice between Brexit and the union, would you choose Brexit? I know you previously said you didn't believe that was the choice.Charles said:
So like Brexit thenydoethur said:
Unfortunately Venezuela is at the stage where there are no easy outcomes or pleasant solutions. But there are ways things could deteriorate further.
[NB: this is a joke. I haven't changed my views]
The Union is in danger. Let's fight for it the best way we know how-
#Carling4Tennents4indyref20 -
What's so wrong with self determination?JBriskinindyref2 said:
They're both want the destruction of the UK - that's equivalence enough for me. If I had my way the SNP top brass would all be in jail for SeditionRichard_Tyndall said:
Pardon?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Bolton and others should know better - they're SF equivalents and should be treated as such.SandyRentool said:
Because most people in England just shrug their shoulders and think it is up to the people in Scotland.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Well said that man. It amazes me how the SNP get such an easy ride in the British media.CarlottaVance said:
SF are the political arm of a paramilitary organisation with a very long and bloody history of killing innocent people.
The SNP are a mainstream left of centre political movement which believes in an independent Scotland. They have absolutely no association with terrorism (or freedom fighters if you happen to prefer that term) and have never - at least in modern times - advocated or acted as apologists for violence as a means to achieve their ends.
The comparison would be offensive to most reasonable people.0 -
I want the destruction of the UK as well and I am English. It is not sedition, it is a simple recognition that people are poorly served by the current arrangements and that the best way to deal with that is to accept the independence of the various constituent parts of the UK so they remain close but independent friends.JBriskinindyref2 said:
They're both want the destruction of the UK - that's equivalence enough for me. If I had my way the SNP top brass would all be in jail for SeditionRichard_Tyndall said:
Pardon?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Bolton and others should know better - they're SF equivalents and should be treated as such.SandyRentool said:
Because most people in England just shrug their shoulders and think it is up to the people in Scotland.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Well said that man. It amazes me how the SNP get such an easy ride in the British media.CarlottaVance said:
SF are the political arm of a paramilitary organisation with a very long and bloody history of killing innocent people.
The SNP are a mainstream left of centre political movement which believes in an independent Scotland. They have absolutely no association with terrorism (or freedom fighters if you happen to prefer that term) and have never - at least in modern times - advocated or acted as apologists for violence as a means to achieve their ends.
The comparison would be offensive to most reasonable people.
Again equating the entirely peaceful SNP with Sinn Fein is both ignorant and offensive to many people.
Seems to me you are one step away from HYUFDs idiotic 'send in the troops' comments from a few days ago. Absolute lunacy.2 -
I feel disappointed because I always read your username as Mr. J Briskin calling for indyref2. Funny how your eyes play tricks on you like that.JBriskinindyref2 said:
It would be impractical to jail all of them - but maybe a few could be used as examplessolarflare said:
And what of the people who vote for them?JBriskinindyref2 said:
They're both want the destruction of the UK - that's equivalence enough for me. If I had my way the SNP top brass would all be in jail for SeditionRichard_Tyndall said:
Pardon?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Bolton and others should know better - they're SF equivalents and should be treated as such.SandyRentool said:
Because most people in England just shrug their shoulders and think it is up to the people in Scotland.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Well said that man. It amazes me how the SNP get such an easy ride in the British media.CarlottaVance said:
SF are the political arm of a paramilitary organisation with a very long and bloody history of killing innocent people.
The SNP are a mainstream left of centre political movement which believes in an independent Scotland. They have absolutely no association with terrorism (or freedom fighters if you happen to prefer that term) and have never - at least in modern times - advocated or acted as apologists for violence as a means to achieve their ends.
The comparison would be offensive to most reasonable people.0 -
I have no problem in offering Sturgeon a new indy ref but only after Brexit has been fully enacted as voted for by a simple UK majority. This would have to be after the transition period with a deal but could be brought forward in a no deal scenario. Had indyref 1 been won by 52:48 by the separatists we wouldn't still be discussing it 3 years later.0
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Brexit October 31 do or die as a policy is neither sensible nor wise. Ditto refusing to talk with EU partners about future relations. By comparison Corbyn is boringly sensible. Whether Johnson's policies, allowing for figures of speech, are actually batshit, is a judgment call, I guess.MarqueeMark said:
"Batshit Boris" is the dog that hasn't barked. Your disappointment is palpable....FF43 said:
Relatively speaking, of course. Johnson hasn't been more batshit than Farage. Farage will keep it that way.MarqueeMark said:
Farage must be really pissed off then that so far Boris has done nothing "batshit".FF43 said:
At the moment.HYUFD said:
Farage only destroys Boris if he repeats the 20%+ or so the Brexit Party got under May, at the moment with the Brexit Party down to about 10 to 15% it is Boris destroying FarageFF43 said:
To be sure that's why Johnson's policy is to make the Conservative Party into a not so pale shadow of the Brexit Party. Problem is, he's now at the mercy of Farage who is quite happy to destroy Johnson just as Johnson wants to destroy him.HYUFD said:
Boris does not need Farage to disappear just to take the Brexit Party down to 10% or so enabling a Tory majority as the Tories got in 2015 even with UKIP on 12%.FF43 said:
Johnson has walked into Farage's trap. His only real policy is to appropriate Brexit Party supporters to the Conservatives, by never being outflanked on the lunacy. Farage can now taunt Johnson with ever more extreme and idiotic statements and there's nothing Johnson can do about it. He can't now say, this is nonsense. He's committed.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Quite what is Farage up to?williamglenn said:No sign of Farage wanting to be helpful to Johnson.
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1159027396386938881
The Tories could not win with the Brexit Party on around 20%+ as they were polling under May but they can win if the Brexit Party are polling only around 10 to 15% as they are now
Farage won't help Johnson to make the moment last. He will attack Johnson on commitment and execution. Every time Johnson does something batshit, Farage will say something batshittier. It's a bidding war of crazy that only Farage can win.0 -
Nothing I guess - but they said Once In A Generation - we've all got limits.SandyRentool said:
What's so wrong with self determination?JBriskinindyref2 said:
They're both want the destruction of the UK - that's equivalence enough for me. If I had my way the SNP top brass would all be in jail for SeditionRichard_Tyndall said:
Pardon?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Bolton and others should know better - they're SF equivalents and should be treated as such.SandyRentool said:
Because most people in England just shrug their shoulders and think it is up to the people in Scotland.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Well said that man. It amazes me how the SNP get such an easy ride in the British media.CarlottaVance said:
SF are the political arm of a paramilitary organisation with a very long and bloody history of killing innocent people.
The SNP are a mainstream left of centre political movement which believes in an independent Scotland. They have absolutely no association with terrorism (or freedom fighters if you happen to prefer that term) and have never - at least in modern times - advocated or acted as apologists for violence as a means to achieve their ends.
The comparison would be offensive to most reasonable people.
Lock Her Up0 -
Why bother with jail? Priti will have them swinging from the nearest lamppost.JBriskinindyref2 said:
It would be impractical to jail all of them - but maybe a few could be used as examplessolarflare said:
And what of the people who vote for them?JBriskinindyref2 said:
They're both want the destruction of the UK - that's equivalence enough for me. If I had my way the SNP top brass would all be in jail for SeditionRichard_Tyndall said:
Pardon?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Bolton and others should know better - they're SF equivalents and should be treated as such.SandyRentool said:
Because most people in England just shrug their shoulders and think it is up to the people in Scotland.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Well said that man. It amazes me how the SNP get such an easy ride in the British media.CarlottaVance said:
SF are the political arm of a paramilitary organisation with a very long and bloody history of killing innocent people.
The SNP are a mainstream left of centre political movement which believes in an independent Scotland. They have absolutely no association with terrorism (or freedom fighters if you happen to prefer that term) and have never - at least in modern times - advocated or acted as apologists for violence as a means to achieve their ends.
The comparison would be offensive to most reasonable people.0 -
You know that SF are the mainstream nationalists in NI now don't you. The equivalence is clear and exists.Richard_Tyndall said:
I want the destruction of the UK as well and I am English. It is not sedition, it is a simple recognition that people are poorly served by the current arrangements and that the best way to deal with that is to accept the independence of the various constituent parts of the UK so they remain close but independent friends.JBriskinindyref2 said:
They're both want the destruction of the UK - that's equivalence enough for me. If I had my way the SNP top brass would all be in jail for SeditionRichard_Tyndall said:
Pardon?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Bolton and others should know better - they're SF equivalents and should be treated as such.SandyRentool said:
Because most people in England just shrug their shoulders and think it is up to the people in Scotland.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Well said that man. It amazes me how the SNP get such an easy ride in the British media.CarlottaVance said:
SF are the political arm of a paramilitary organisation with a very long and bloody history of killing innocent people.
The SNP are a mainstream left of centre political movement which believes in an independent Scotland. They have absolutely no association with terrorism (or freedom fighters if you happen to prefer that term) and have never - at least in modern times - advocated or acted as apologists for violence as a means to achieve their ends.
The comparison would be offensive to most reasonable people.
Again equating the entirely peaceful SNP with Sinn Fein is both ignorant and offensive to many people.
Seems to me you are one step away from HYUFDs idiotic 'send in the troops' comments from a few days ago. Absolute lunacy.0 -
Boris will never get a majority - that's what makes this so interesting...HYUFD said:
Boris won't even consider putting alternatives to the backstop to the EU until he has a majority, however to get that majority he has to be prepared to go for No DealFF43 said:
Johnson is Farage's prisoner. He can't say, I'll pass on this one, because Farage will tear him to pieces. For example, someone puts forward a suggestion that could be a way out on the backstop. Just discussing it takes him a few days past October 31. He will have to shut it down in the most public and emphatic way because of what Farage will do to him.Nigelb said:
Might that not be akin to an emperor's new clothes striptease competition, though ?FF43 said:
At the moment.HYUFD said:
Farage only destroys Boris if he repeats the 20%+ or so the Brexit Party got under May, at the moment with the Brexit Party down to about 10 to 15% it is Boris destroying FarageFF43 said:
To be sure that's why Johnson's policy is to make the Conservative Party into a not so pale shadow of the Brexit Party. Problem is, he's now at the mercy of Farage who is quite happy to destroy Johnson just as Johnson wants to destroy him.HYUFD said:
Boris does not need Farage to disappear just to take the Brexit Party down to 10% or so enabling a Tory majority as the Tories got in 2015 even with UKIP on 12%.FF43 said:
Johnson has walked into Farage's trap. His only real policy is to appropriate Brexit Party supporters to the Conservatives, by never being outflanked on the lunacy. Farage can now taunt Johnson with ever more extreme and idiotic statements and there's nothing Johnson can do about it. He can't now say, this is nonsense. He's committed.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Quite what is Farage up to?williamglenn said:No sign of Farage wanting to be helpful to Johnson.
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1159027396386938881
The Tories could not win with the Brexit Party on around 20%+ as they were polling under May but they can win if the Brexit Party are polling only around 10 to 15% as they are now
Farage won't help Johnson to make the moment last. He will attack Johnson on commitment and execution. Every time Johnson does something batshit, Farage will say something batshittier. It's a bidding war of crazy that only Farage can win.
At some point, some of their voters might realise how unsightly the whole mess is.0 -
Indeed. I live in England in a part where hills of southern Scotland can be seen. The thought that our neighbours may soon be in a political union with Lithuania and Malta and out of a political union with England is both sad and ridiculous.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Well said that man. It amazes me how the SNP get such an easy ride in the British media.CarlottaVance said:
In a sane world we might work on uniting Ireland and uniting Britain, preferably all either in or out of the EU. But we can dream on...
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No I'm Mr J Briskin who predicted indyref2 within 10 years of the first one.solarflare said:
I feel disappointed because I always read your username as Mr. J Briskin calling for indyref2. Funny how your eyes play tricks on you like that.JBriskinindyref2 said:
It would be impractical to jail all of them - but maybe a few could be used as examplessolarflare said:
And what of the people who vote for them?JBriskinindyref2 said:
They're both want the destruction of the UK - that's equivalence enough for me. If I had my way the SNP top brass would all be in jail for SeditionRichard_Tyndall said:
Pardon?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Bolton and others should know better - they're SF equivalents and should be treated as such.SandyRentool said:
Because most people in England just shrug their shoulders and think it is up to the people in Scotland.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Well said that man. It amazes me how the SNP get such an easy ride in the British media.CarlottaVance said:
SF are the political arm of a paramilitary organisation with a very long and bloody history of killing innocent people.
The SNP are a mainstream left of centre political movement which believes in an independent Scotland. They have absolutely no association with terrorism (or freedom fighters if you happen to prefer that term) and have never - at least in modern times - advocated or acted as apologists for violence as a means to achieve their ends.
The comparison would be offensive to most reasonable people.0 -
Well I can't condone that - a few months in jail for them to see the error of their ways should be enough.SandyRentool said:
Why bother with jail? Priti will have them swinging from the nearest lamppost.JBriskinindyref2 said:
It would be impractical to jail all of them - but maybe a few could be used as examplessolarflare said:
And what of the people who vote for them?JBriskinindyref2 said:
They're both want the destruction of the UK - that's equivalence enough for me. If I had my way the SNP top brass would all be in jail for SeditionRichard_Tyndall said:
Pardon?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Bolton and others should know better - they're SF equivalents and should be treated as such.SandyRentool said:
Because most people in England just shrug their shoulders and think it is up to the people in Scotland.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Well said that man. It amazes me how the SNP get such an easy ride in the British media.CarlottaVance said:
SF are the political arm of a paramilitary organisation with a very long and bloody history of killing innocent people.
The SNP are a mainstream left of centre political movement which believes in an independent Scotland. They have absolutely no association with terrorism (or freedom fighters if you happen to prefer that term) and have never - at least in modern times - advocated or acted as apologists for violence as a means to achieve their ends.
The comparison would be offensive to most reasonable people.0 -
I know what they are now. I also know what they have been for most of their history which is why your comparison is bloody stupid.JBriskinindyref2 said:
You know that SF are the mainstream nationalists in NI now don't you. The equivalence is clear and exists.Richard_Tyndall said:
I want the destruction of the UK as well and I am English. It is not sedition, it is a simple recognition that people are poorly served by the current arrangements and that the best way to deal with that is to accept the independence of the various constituent parts of the UK so they remain close but independent friends.JBriskinindyref2 said:
They're both want the destruction of the UK - that's equivalence enough for me. If I had my way the SNP top brass would all be in jail for SeditionRichard_Tyndall said:
Pardon?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Bolton and others should know better - they're SF equivalents and should be treated as such.SandyRentool said:
Because most people in England just shrug their shoulders and think it is up to the people in Scotland.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Well said that man. It amazes me how the SNP get such an easy ride in the British media.CarlottaVance said:
SF are the political arm of a paramilitary organisation with a very long and bloody history of killing innocent people.
The SNP are a mainstream left of centre political movement which believes in an independent Scotland. They have absolutely no association with terrorism (or freedom fighters if you happen to prefer that term) and have never - at least in modern times - advocated or acted as apologists for violence as a means to achieve their ends.
The comparison would be offensive to most reasonable people.
Again equating the entirely peaceful SNP with Sinn Fein is both ignorant and offensive to many people.
Seems to me you are one step away from HYUFDs idiotic 'send in the troops' comments from a few days ago. Absolute lunacy.0 -
"Whum, whum, whum"MarqueeMark said:
Is it?viewcode said:
"The Bad Boys Of Brexit" contains an anecdote about Farage, Banks (and Wiggy?) skinny-dipping naked in Bournemouth immediately after the Referendum result.Nigelb said:
Might that not be akin to an emperor's new clothes striptease competition, though ?FF43 said:
At the moment.HYUFD said:
Farage only destroys Boris if he repeats the 20%+ or so the Brexit Party got under May, at the moment with the Brexit Party down to about 10 to 15% it is Boris destroying FarageFF43 said:
To be sure that's why Johnson's policy is to make the Conservative Party into a not so pale shadow of the Brexit Party. Problem is, he's now at the mercy of Farage who is quite happy to destroy Johnson just as Johnson wants to destroy him.HYUFD said:
Boris does not need Farage to disappear just to take the Brexit Party down to 10% or so enabling a Tory majority as the Tories got in 2015 even with UKIP on 12%.FF43 said:
Johnson has walked into Farage's trap. His only real policy is to appropriate Brexit Party supporters to the Conservatives, by never being outflanked on the lunacy. Farage can now taunt Johnson with ever more extreme and idiotic statements and there's nothing Johnson can do about it. He can't now say, this is nonsense. He's committed.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Quite what is Farage up to?williamglenn said:No sign of Farage wanting to be helpful to Johnson.
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1159027396386938881
The Tories could not win with the Brexit Party on around 20%+ as they were polling under May but they can win if the Brexit Party are polling only around 10 to 15% as they are now
Farage won't help Johnson to make the moment last. He will attack Johnson on commitment and execution. Every time Johnson does something batshit, Farage will say something batshittier. It's a bidding war of crazy that only Farage can win.
At some point, some of their voters might realise how unsightly the whole mess is.
Pause.
You will never get that image out of your head now. It's like watching tobacco-stained walruses playing Penis Lightsabres.
"Bssht! Bssht!"
"Whum, Whum, Whummmmmmmmm...whum whum"
"Nigel, I am your father..."
"Noooooooo!"
"Whummmmmm"
(Exeunt, pursued by condom)0 -
You are Sarah Palin and I claim my £5!algarkirk said:
Indeed. I live in England in a part where hills of southern Scotland can be seen. The thought that our neighbours may soon be in a political union with Lithuania and Malta and out of a political union with England is both sad and ridiculous.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Well said that man. It amazes me how the SNP get such an easy ride in the British media.CarlottaVance said:
In a sane world we might work on uniting Ireland and uniting Britain, preferably all either in or out of the EU. But we can dream on...0 -
I thought it was JB Risk in Indyref2JBriskinindyref2 said:
No I'm Mr J Briskin who predicted indyref2 within 10 years of the first one.solarflare said:
I feel disappointed because I always read your username as Mr. J Briskin calling for indyref2. Funny how your eyes play tricks on you like that.JBriskinindyref2 said:
It would be impractical to jail all of them - but maybe a few could be used as examplessolarflare said:
And what of the people who vote for them?JBriskinindyref2 said:
They're both want the destruction of the UK - that's equivalence enough for me. If I had my way the SNP top brass would all be in jail for SeditionRichard_Tyndall said:
Pardon?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Bolton and others should know better - they're SF equivalents and should be treated as such.SandyRentool said:
Because most people in England just shrug their shoulders and think it is up to the people in Scotland.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Well said that man. It amazes me how the SNP get such an easy ride in the British media.CarlottaVance said:
SF are the political arm of a paramilitary organisation with a very long and bloody history of killing innocent people.
The SNP are a mainstream left of centre political movement which believes in an independent Scotland. They have absolutely no association with terrorism (or freedom fighters if you happen to prefer that term) and have never - at least in modern times - advocated or acted as apologists for violence as a means to achieve their ends.
The comparison would be offensive to most reasonable people.0 -
You hand-wringing softy!JBriskinindyref2 said:
Well I can't condone that - a few months in jail for them to see the error of their ways should be enough.SandyRentool said:
Why bother with jail? Priti will have them swinging from the nearest lamppost.JBriskinindyref2 said:
It would be impractical to jail all of them - but maybe a few could be used as examplessolarflare said:
And what of the people who vote for them?JBriskinindyref2 said:
They're both want the destruction of the UK - that's equivalence enough for me. If I had my way the SNP top brass would all be in jail for SeditionRichard_Tyndall said:
Pardon?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Bolton and others should know better - they're SF equivalents and should be treated as such.SandyRentool said:
Because most people in England just shrug their shoulders and think it is up to the people in Scotland.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Well said that man. It amazes me how the SNP get such an easy ride in the British media.CarlottaVance said:
SF are the political arm of a paramilitary organisation with a very long and bloody history of killing innocent people.
The SNP are a mainstream left of centre political movement which believes in an independent Scotland. They have absolutely no association with terrorism (or freedom fighters if you happen to prefer that term) and have never - at least in modern times - advocated or acted as apologists for violence as a means to achieve their ends.
The comparison would be offensive to most reasonable people.0 -
What's bloody stupid is the people who vote for SF/SNP and want to break up our glorious Union. They're stupid as well as treasonable.Richard_Tyndall said:
I know what they are now. I also know what they have been for most of their history which is why your comparison is bloody stupid.JBriskinindyref2 said:
You know that SF are the mainstream nationalists in NI now don't you. The equivalence is clear and exists.Richard_Tyndall said:
I want the destruction of the UK as well and I am English. It is not sedition, it is a simple recognition that people are poorly served by the current arrangements and that the best way to deal with that is to accept the independence of the various constituent parts of the UK so they remain close but independent friends.JBriskinindyref2 said:
They're both want the destruction of the UK - that's equivalence enough for me. If I had my way the SNP top brass would all be in jail for SeditionRichard_Tyndall said:
Pardon?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Bolton and others should know better - they're SF equivalents and should be treated as such.SandyRentool said:
Because most people in England just shrug their shoulders and think it is up to the people in Scotland.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Well said that man. It amazes me how the SNP get such an easy ride in the British media.CarlottaVance said:
SF are the political arm of a paramilitary organisation with a very long and bloody history of killing innocent people.
The SNP are a mainstream left of centre political movement which believes in an independent Scotland. They have absolutely no association with terrorism (or freedom fighters if you happen to prefer that term) and have never - at least in modern times - advocated or acted as apologists for violence as a means to achieve their ends.
The comparison would be offensive to most reasonable people.
Again equating the entirely peaceful SNP with Sinn Fein is both ignorant and offensive to many people.
Seems to me you are one step away from HYUFDs idiotic 'send in the troops' comments from a few days ago. Absolute lunacy.0 -
No J Briskin is a character from a Philip K Dick book (A black US president - is there anything that guy got wrong???)SandyRentool said:
I thought it was JB Risk in Indyref2JBriskinindyref2 said:
No I'm Mr J Briskin who predicted indyref2 within 10 years of the first one.solarflare said:
I feel disappointed because I always read your username as Mr. J Briskin calling for indyref2. Funny how your eyes play tricks on you like that.JBriskinindyref2 said:
It would be impractical to jail all of them - but maybe a few could be used as examplessolarflare said:
And what of the people who vote for them?JBriskinindyref2 said:
They're both want the destruction of the UK - that's equivalence enough for me. If I had my way the SNP top brass would all be in jail for SeditionRichard_Tyndall said:
Pardon?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Bolton and others should know better - they're SF equivalents and should be treated as such.SandyRentool said:
Because most people in England just shrug their shoulders and think it is up to the people in Scotland.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Well said that man. It amazes me how the SNP get such an easy ride in the British media.CarlottaVance said:
SF are the political arm of a paramilitary organisation with a very long and bloody history of killing innocent people.
The SNP are a mainstream left of centre political movement which believes in an independent Scotland. They have absolutely no association with terrorism (or freedom fighters if you happen to prefer that term) and have never - at least in modern times - advocated or acted as apologists for violence as a means to achieve their ends.
The comparison would be offensive to most reasonable people.0 -
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Can we stop talking about ‘no deal’ or’clean’ Brexit and start taking about WTO brexit which does not have the so called protection of GATT 24. Who is in control of the tariff setting, do they know what they are doing, who loses and who gains? This is not about queues at Dover it’s about the future of tens of thousands of businesses from bloody mozzarella to starter motors and jet engines, does any body know the answer without just say ‘ nothing to worry about go go wto’ ?0
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With No Deal he couldeek said:
Boris will never get a majority - that's what makes this so interesting...HYUFD said:
Boris won't even consider putting alternatives to the backstop to the EU until he has a majority, however to get that majority he has to be prepared to go for No DealFF43 said:
Johnson is Farage's prisoner. He can't say, I'll pass on this one, because Farage will tear him to pieces. For example, someone puts forward a suggestion that could be a way out on the backstop. Just discussing it takes him a few days past October 31. He will have to shut it down in the most public and emphatic way because of what Farage will do to him.Nigelb said:
Might that not be akin to an emperor's new clothes striptease competition, though ?FF43 said:
At the moment.HYUFD said:
Farage only destroys Boris if he repeats the 20%+ or so the Brexit Party got under May, at the moment with the Brexit Party down to about 10 to 15% it is Boris destroying FarageFF43 said:
To be sure that's why Johnson's policy is to make the Conservative Party into a not so pale shadow of the Brexit Party. Problem is, he's now at the mercy of Farage who is quite happy to destroy Johnson just as Johnson wants to destroy him.HYUFD said:
Boris does not need Farage to disappear just to take the Brexit Party down to 10% or so enabling a Tory majority as the Tories got in 2015 even with UKIP on 12%.FF43 said:
Johnson has walked into Farage's trap. His only real policy is to appropriate Brexit Party supporters to the Conservatives, by never being outflanked on the lunacy. Farage can now taunt Johnson with ever more extreme and idiotic statements and there's nothing Johnson can do about it. He can't now say, this is nonsense. He's committed.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Quite what is Farage up to?williamglenn said:No sign of Farage wanting to be helpful to Johnson.
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1159027396386938881
The Tories could not win with the Brexit Party on around 20%+ as they were polling under May but they can win if the Brexit Party are polling only around 10 to 15% as they are now
Farage won't help Johnson to make the moment last. He will attack Johnson on commitment and execution. Every time Johnson does something batshit, Farage will say something batshittier. It's a bidding war of crazy that only Farage can win.
At some point, some of their voters might realise how unsightly the whole mess is.
https://twitter.com/tianran/status/1157199736232927232?s=200 -
Suppose the buffoon isn't bluffing and he does pull that call a General Election after leaving stunt. What's to stop the EU agreeing to a new govt rejoining on the old terms instantaneously? We'd have been out of the EU for a couple of weeks so the referendum would be honoured.
Worth it for the look on Johnson and Cummings faces when announced about a week into the campaign.0 -
So you don't distinguish between the peaceful belief in an independent Scotland (or Cornwall or Little Whingeing or whatever) expressed through the ballot box, and blowing up innocent people?JBriskinindyref2 said:
They're both want the destruction of the UK - that's equivalence enough for me. If I had my way the SNP top brass would all be in jail for SeditionRichard_Tyndall said:
Pardon?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Bolton and others should know better - they're SF equivalents and should be treated as such.SandyRentool said:
Because most people in England just shrug their shoulders and think it is up to the people in Scotland.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Well said that man. It amazes me how the SNP get such an easy ride in the British media.CarlottaVance said:
SF are the political arm of a paramilitary organisation with a very long and bloody history of killing innocent people.
The SNP are a mainstream left of centre political movement which believes in an independent Scotland. They have absolutely no association with terrorism (or freedom fighters if you happen to prefer that term) and have never - at least in modern times - advocated or acted as apologists for violence as a means to achieve their ends.
The comparison would be offensive to most reasonable people.
Well, it's a view.0 -
That's his strategy and it may win him the election. Problem is he has to actually go to No Deal on October 31, not just threaten it, to be in the Brexit Party space. Once he's in it, it will be difficult to get out. And that assumes he gets a decent majority, which is by no means assured.HYUFD said:
Boris won't even consider putting alternatives to the backstop to the EU until he has a majority, however to get that majority he has to be prepared to go for No Deal0 -
Yep you are a certifiable lunatic. Glad we have established that.JBriskinindyref2 said:
What's bloody stupid is the people who vote for SF/SNP and want to break up our glorious Union. They're stupid as well as treasonable.Richard_Tyndall said:
I know what they are now. I also know what they have been for most of their history which is why your comparison is bloody stupid.JBriskinindyref2 said:
You know that SF are the mainstream nationalists in NI now don't you. The equivalence is clear and exists.Richard_Tyndall said:
I want the destruction of the UK as well and I am English. It is not sedition, it is a simple recognition that people are poorly served by the current arrangements and that the best way to deal with that is to accept the independence of the various constituent parts of the UK so they remain close but independent friends.JBriskinindyref2 said:
They're both want the destruction of the UK - that's equivalence enough for me. If I had my way the SNP top brass would all be in jail for SeditionRichard_Tyndall said:
Pardon?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Bolton and others should know better - they're SF equivalents and should be treated as such.SandyRentool said:
Because most people in England just shrug their shoulders and think it is up to the people in Scotland.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Well said that man. It amazes me how the SNP get such an easy ride in the British media.CarlottaVance said:
SF are the political arm of a paramilitary organisation with a very long and bloody history of killing innocent people.
The SNP are a mainstream left of centre political movement which believes in an independent Scotland. They have absolutely no association with terrorism (or freedom fighters if you happen to prefer that term) and have never - at least in modern times - advocated or acted as apologists for violence as a means to achieve their ends.
The comparison would be offensive to most reasonable people.
Again equating the entirely peaceful SNP with Sinn Fein is both ignorant and offensive to many people.
Seems to me you are one step away from HYUFDs idiotic 'send in the troops' comments from a few days ago. Absolute lunacy.0 -
I thought he was Indiana Ref, Jr, who at the end of the day risked drinking a glass of fine Jim Beam sipping whisky as a reward for long endeavours.SandyRentool said:
I thought it was JB Risk in Indyref2JBriskinindyref2 said:
No I'm Mr J Briskin who predicted indyref2 within 10 years of the first one.solarflare said:
I feel disappointed because I always read your username as Mr. J Briskin calling for indyref2. Funny how your eyes play tricks on you like that.JBriskinindyref2 said:
It would be impractical to jail all of them - but maybe a few could be used as examplessolarflare said:
And what of the people who vote for them?JBriskinindyref2 said:
They're both want the destruction of the UK - that's equivalence enough for me. If I had my way the SNP top brass would all be in jail for SeditionRichard_Tyndall said:
Pardon?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Bolton and others should know better - they're SF equivalents and should be treated as such.SandyRentool said:
Because most people in England just shrug their shoulders and think it is up to the people in Scotland.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Well said that man. It amazes me how the SNP get such an easy ride in the British media.CarlottaVance said:
SF are the political arm of a paramilitary organisation with a very long and bloody history of killing innocent people.
The SNP are a mainstream left of centre political movement which believes in an independent Scotland. They have absolutely no association with terrorism (or freedom fighters if you happen to prefer that term) and have never - at least in modern times - advocated or acted as apologists for violence as a means to achieve their ends.
The comparison would be offensive to most reasonable people.0 -
You are Michael Palin and I claim my shrubbery.SandyRentool said:
You are Sarah Palin and I claim my £5!algarkirk said:
Indeed. I live in England in a part where hills of southern Scotland can be seen. The thought that our neighbours may soon be in a political union with Lithuania and Malta and out of a political union with England is both sad and ridiculous.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Well said that man. It amazes me how the SNP get such an easy ride in the British media.CarlottaVance said:
In a sane world we might work on uniting Ireland and uniting Britain, preferably all either in or out of the EU. But we can dream on...0 -
Treaty law I'm afraid. For the same reason we should never consider unilaterally breaking treaties, the EU would be bound by its own laws to go through the accession process again.Recidivist said:Suppose the buffoon isn't bluffing and he does pull that call a General Election after leaving stunt. What's to stop the EU agreeing to a new govt rejoining on the old terms instantaneously? We'd have been out of the EU for a couple of weeks so the referendum would be honoured.
Worth it for the look on Johnson and Cummings faces when announced about a week into the campaign.0 -
Okay, there's obviously an historic difference between SF and SNP.rcs1000 said:
So you don't distinguish between the peaceful belief in an independent Scotland (or Cornwall or Little Whingeing or whatever) expressed through the ballot box, and blowing up innocent people?JBriskinindyref2 said:
They're both want the destruction of the UK - that's equivalence enough for me. If I had my way the SNP top brass would all be in jail for SeditionRichard_Tyndall said:
Pardon?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Bolton and others should know better - they're SF equivalents and should be treated as such.SandyRentool said:
Because most people in England just shrug their shoulders and think it is up to the people in Scotland.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Well said that man. It amazes me how the SNP get such an easy ride in the British media.CarlottaVance said:
SF are the political arm of a paramilitary organisation with a very long and bloody history of killing innocent people.
The SNP are a mainstream left of centre political movement which believes in an independent Scotland. They have absolutely no association with terrorism (or freedom fighters if you happen to prefer that term) and have never - at least in modern times - advocated or acted as apologists for violence as a means to achieve their ends.
The comparison would be offensive to most reasonable people.
Well, it's a view.
All I'm saying is there is an equivalence (they're both the mainstream nationalist party on their part of the islands)0 -
Well I agree with the dick bitJBriskinindyref2 said:
No J Briskin is a character from a Philip K Dick book (A black US president - is there anything that guy got wrong???)SandyRentool said:
I thought it was JB Risk in Indyref2JBriskinindyref2 said:
No I'm Mr J Briskin who predicted indyref2 within 10 years of the first one.solarflare said:
I feel disappointed because I always read your username as Mr. J Briskin calling for indyref2. Funny how your eyes play tricks on you like that.JBriskinindyref2 said:
It would be impractical to jail all of them - but maybe a few could be used as examplessolarflare said:
And what of the people who vote for them?JBriskinindyref2 said:
They're both want the destruction of the UK - that's equivalence enough for me. If I had my way the SNP top brass would all be in jail for SeditionRichard_Tyndall said:
Pardon?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Bolton and others should know better - they're SF equivalents and should be treated as such.SandyRentool said:
Because most people in England just shrug their shoulders and think it is up to the people in Scotland.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Well said that man. It amazes me how the SNP get such an easy ride in the British media.CarlottaVance said:
SF are the political arm of a paramilitary organisation with a very long and bloody history of killing innocent people.
The SNP are a mainstream left of centre political movement which believes in an independent Scotland. They have absolutely no association with terrorism (or freedom fighters if you happen to prefer that term) and have never - at least in modern times - advocated or acted as apologists for violence as a means to achieve their ends.
The comparison would be offensive to most reasonable people.0 -
Our beloved NHS doesn't inject me monthly for nothing!Richard_Tyndall said:
Yep you are a certifiable lunatic. Glad we have established that.JBriskinindyref2 said:
What's bloody stupid is the people who vote for SF/SNP and want to break up our glorious Union. They're stupid as well as treasonable.Richard_Tyndall said:
I know what they are now. I also know what they have been for most of their history which is why your comparison is bloody stupid.JBriskinindyref2 said:
You know that SF are the mainstream nationalists in NI now don't you. The equivalence is clear and exists.Richard_Tyndall said:
I want the destruction of the UK as well and I am English. It is not sedition, it is a simple recognition that people are poorly served by the current arrangements and that the best way to deal with that is to accept the independence of the various constituent parts of the UK so they remain close but independent friends.JBriskinindyref2 said:
They're both want the destruction of the UK - that's equivalence enough for me. If I had my way the SNP top brass would all be in jail for SeditionRichard_Tyndall said:
Pardon?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Bolton and others should know better - they're SF equivalents and should be treated as such.SandyRentool said:
Because most people in England just shrug their shoulders and think it is up to the people in Scotland.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Well said that man. It amazes me how the SNP get such an easy ride in the British media.CarlottaVance said:
SF are the political arm of a paramilitary organisation with a very long and bloody history of killing innocent people.
The SNP are a mainstream left of centre political movement which believes in an independent Scotland. They have absolutely no association with terrorism (or freedom fighters if you happen to prefer that term) and have never - at least in modern times - advocated or acted as apologists for violence as a means to achieve their ends.
The comparison would be offensive to most reasonable people.
Again equating the entirely peaceful SNP with Sinn Fein is both ignorant and offensive to many people.
Seems to me you are one step away from HYUFDs idiotic 'send in the troops' comments from a few days ago. Absolute lunacy.0 -
You need to tell them to up the dosage as it isn't working.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Our beloved NHS doesn't inject me monthly for nothing!Richard_Tyndall said:
Yep you are a certifiable lunatic. Glad we have established that.JBriskinindyref2 said:
What's bloody stupid is the people who vote for SF/SNP and want to break up our glorious Union. They're stupid as well as treasonable.Richard_Tyndall said:
I know what they are now. I also know what they have been for most of their history which is why your comparison is bloody stupid.JBriskinindyref2 said:
You know that SF are the mainstream nationalists in NI now don't you. The equivalence is clear and exists.Richard_Tyndall said:
I want the destruction of the UK as well and I am English. It is not sedition, it is a simple recognition that people are poorly served by the current arrangements and that the best way to deal with that is to accept the independence of the various constituent parts of the UK so they remain close but independent friends.JBriskinindyref2 said:
They're both want the destruction of the UK - that's equivalence enough for me. If I had my way the SNP top brass would all be in jail for SeditionRichard_Tyndall said:
Pardon?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Bolton and others should know better - they're SF equivalents and should be treated as such.SandyRentool said:
Because most people in England just shrug their shoulders and think it is up to the people in Scotland.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Well said that man. It amazes me how the SNP get such an easy ride in the British media.CarlottaVance said:
SF are the political arm of a paramilitary organisation with a very long and bloody history of killing innocent people.
The SNP are a mainstream left of centre political movement which believes in an independent Scotland. They have absolutely no association with terrorism (or freedom fighters if you happen to prefer that term) and have never - at least in modern times - advocated or acted as apologists for violence as a means to achieve their ends.
The comparison would be offensive to most reasonable people.
Again equating the entirely peaceful SNP with Sinn Fein is both ignorant and offensive to many people.
Seems to me you are one step away from HYUFDs idiotic 'send in the troops' comments from a few days ago. Absolute lunacy.0 -
Bad news for you Tyndall - They're reducing the Dose!!!Richard_Tyndall said:
You need to tell them to up the dosage as it isn't working.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Our beloved NHS doesn't inject me monthly for nothing!Richard_Tyndall said:
Yep you are a certifiable lunatic. Glad we have established that.JBriskinindyref2 said:
What's bloody stupid is the people who vote for SF/SNP and want to break up our glorious Union. They're stupid as well as treasonable.Richard_Tyndall said:
I know what they are now. I also know what they have been for most of their history which is why your comparison is bloody stupid.JBriskinindyref2 said:
You know that SF are the mainstream nationalists in NI now don't you. The equivalence is clear and exists.Richard_Tyndall said:
Again equating the entirely peaceful SNP with Sinn Fein is both ignorant and offensive to many people.JBriskinindyref2 said:
They're both want the destruction of the UK - that's equivalence enough for me. If I had my way the SNP top brass would aRichard_Tyndall said:
Pardon?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Bolton and others should know better - they're SF equivalents and should be treated as such.SandyRentool said:
Because most people in England just shrug their shoulders and think it is up to the people in Scotland.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Well said that man. It amazes me how the SNP get such an easy ride in the British media.CarlottaVance said:
SF are the political arm of a paramilitary organisation with a very long and bloody history of killing innocent people.
The SNP are a mainstream left of centre political movement which believes in an independent Scotland. They have absolutely no association with terrorism (or freedom fighters if you happen to prefer that term) and have never - at least in modern times - advocated or acted as apologists for violence as a means to achieve their ends.
The comparison would be offensive to most reasonable people.
Seems to me you are one step away from HYUFDs idiotic 'send in the troops' comments from a few days ago. Absolute lunacy.0 -
We're considering unilaterally and deliberately breaking our treaty commitments under the GATT 1947 and 1994 treaties.Richard_Tyndall said:
Treaty law I'm afraid. For the same reason we should never consider unilaterally breaking treaties, the EU would be bound by its own laws to go through the accession process again.Recidivist said:Suppose the buffoon isn't bluffing and he does pull that call a General Election after leaving stunt. What's to stop the EU agreeing to a new govt rejoining on the old terms instantaneously? We'd have been out of the EU for a couple of weeks so the referendum would be honoured.
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Richard_Tyndall said:
Treaty law I'm afraid. For the same reason we should never consider unilaterally breaking treaties, the EU would be bound by its own laws to go through the accession process again.Recidivist said:Suppose the buffoon isn't bluffing and he does pull that call a General Election after leaving stunt. What's to stop the EU agreeing to a new govt rejoining on the old terms instantaneously? We'd have been out of the EU for a couple of weeks so the referendum would be honoured.
Worth it for the look on Johnson and Cummings faces when announced about a week into the campaign.
They can go through the accession process on paper - just have a bilateral agreement to maintain the status quo for the duration. Simple.Richard_Tyndall said:
Treaty law I'm afraid. For the same reason we should never consider unilaterally breaking treaties, the EU would be bound by its own laws to go through the accession process again.Recidivist said:Suppose the buffoon isn't bluffing and he does pull that call a General Election after leaving stunt. What's to stop the EU agreeing to a new govt rejoining on the old terms instantaneously? We'd have been out of the EU for a couple of weeks so the referendum would be honoured.
Worth it for the look on Johnson and Cummings faces when announced about a week into the campaign.0 -
And as I have argued all along we should not do that. If a country breaks its treaty commitments then it is setting a very dangerous precedent.rcs1000 said:
We're considering unilaterally and deliberately breaking our treaty commitments under the GATT 1947 and 1994 treaties.Richard_Tyndall said:
Treaty law I'm afraid. For the same reason we should never consider unilaterally breaking treaties, the EU would be bound by its own laws to go through the accession process again.Recidivist said:Suppose the buffoon isn't bluffing and he does pull that call a General Election after leaving stunt. What's to stop the EU agreeing to a new govt rejoining on the old terms instantaneously? We'd have been out of the EU for a couple of weeks so the referendum would be honoured.
Worth it for the look on Johnson and Cummings faces when announced about a week into the campaign.
The Irony is of course that if the EU did break its own treaties then it is inevitable it would end up being taken to court for it.0 -
Good point on Channel 4 News: British Airways don't know whether to be a top class or budget airline, and are failing at both.0
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And the debate in the UK moves on to "Is it worth taking the extra funding from the NHS to fund the EU? If so, which hospitals do you want to close, Rejoiners?"Richard_Tyndall said:
Treaty law I'm afraid. For the same reason we should never consider unilaterally breaking treaties, the EU would be bound by its own laws to go through the accession process again.Recidivist said:Suppose the buffoon isn't bluffing and he does pull that call a General Election after leaving stunt. What's to stop the EU agreeing to a new govt rejoining on the old terms instantaneously? We'd have been out of the EU for a couple of weeks so the referendum would be honoured.
Worth it for the look on Johnson and Cummings faces when announced about a week into the campaign.0 -
No, it’s in Purgatory.SandyRentool said:
Conference is in Nuremberg this year, isn't it?Philip_Thompson said:
I'm going the other way. Not formally rejoined yet but I was a member 2004-2016, quit due to May and intend to rejoin now.SandyRentool said:
It's 4 in total isn't it:surbiton19 said:Talking about our 3 resident Tory members becoming ex-Tories, is there any anecdotal evidence of sane Tories decamping ? There is in the Labour party - not necessarily an avalanche but steady drip.
Nabavi
Herdson
Big G
TSE
Any more?
Gutted I won't be going to Conference this year. I think it would be lots of fun.0 -
It's interesting how Twitter, in less than 10 years, has seemingly demolished about 1,000 years of good manners in public discourse. What an achievement. But it's the people who post rude comments on Twitter who are mostly to blame, not the platform, since you can't reasonably blame a medium for the content individuals choose to post on it.0
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Are we really reduced to relying on the French to not make everything a shambles?williamglenn said:
The Duke of Wellington must be turning in his grave.0 -
Trump's being a total dick.HYUFD said:
Beto is also blatantly politicising an attack to try and kick-start his flat lining campaign.0 -
Only if you believe that EU membership was a negative benefit to the UK, that we paid the membership fee and received nothing back. If you believe that then you’ll never listen to any sound economic argument about our membership being of significant benefit to the UK only the lies of those who wish to capitalize on our departure.MarqueeMark said:
And the debate in the UK moves on to "Is it worth taking the extra funding from the NHS to fund the EU? If so, which hospitals do you want to close, Rejoiners?"Richard_Tyndall said:
Treaty law I'm afraid. For the same reason we should never consider unilaterally breaking treaties, the EU would be bound by its own laws to go through the accession process again.Recidivist said:Suppose the buffoon isn't bluffing and he does pull that call a General Election after leaving stunt. What's to stop the EU agreeing to a new govt rejoining on the old terms instantaneously? We'd have been out of the EU for a couple of weeks so the referendum would be honoured.
Worth it for the look on Johnson and Cummings faces when announced about a week into the campaign.0 -
I blame emojis and reaction gifs. We reply in memes not arguments. It's one of the best things about PB. The quality of debate here - certainly on the topic of UK politics, possibly also on the topic of pinapple and pizza - surpasses anywhere else on the web.AndyJS said:It's interesting how Twitter, in less than 10 years, has seemingly demolished about 1,000 years of good manners in public discourse. What an achievement. But it's the people who post rude comments on Twitter who are mostly to blame, not the platform, since you can't reasonably blame a medium for the content individuals choose to post on it.
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Only because BA has a monopoly on Heathrow.HYUFD said:
Yet International Airlines Group, BA's parent company, is still the 3rd largest European airline after Lufthansa and RyanairAndyJS said:Good point on Channel 4 News: British Airways don't know whether to be a top class or budget airline, and are failing at both.
BA and Heathrow fall behind even CDG as places I will willingly fly via..0 -
Oh bother, vanilla messing me aboutCarlottaVance said:
1. Corbyn, for all his sincerely held beliefs, isn't that bright.ydoethur said:
The thing about Corbyn is, he just doesn't get English irony.TheScreamingEagles said:Do you need your irony meters calibrating, if so this tweet will help you do so.
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1159145253917601792
2. Corbyn, sincerely believes in the rights of the oppressed which leads to
3. Corbyn, being blind to the anti-semitism of some of the supporters of those oppressed.
I don't think he's a bad man, just not a very bright one, completely and disastrously unsuited for the role he currently occupies, surrounded by manipulative people I would not extend the same benefit of the doubt to. I'm sure if I ever met him and said 'Jeremy, meet my Jewish friend Simon' he would be genuinely pleased to meet him....as long as we steered clear of Israel/Palestine....)0 -
The thing that should most concern Boris Johnson is how few don’t knows there are. He’s a known quantity and he’s cordially loathed by an absolute majority already.1
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66% of Tories give him a favourable rating and 62% of LeaversAlastairMeeks said:The thing that should most concern Boris Johnson is how few don’t knows there are. He’s a known quantity and he’s cordially loathed by an absolute majority already.
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It has a dominant position at Heathrow for short-haul flights. From the airline's perspective, Heathrow is 2-3x more expensive per pax than Gatwick/Stansted, and 4-5x more than elsewhere. Hence why it is home to so few budget shorthaul airlines.eek said:
Only because BA has a monopoly on Heathrow.HYUFD said:
Yet International Airlines Group, BA's parent company, is still the 3rd largest European airline after Lufthansa and RyanairAndyJS said:Good point on Channel 4 News: British Airways don't know whether to be a top class or budget airline, and are failing at both.
BA and Heathrow fall behind even CDG as places I will willingly fly via..0
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