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Generally when PMs are replaced during a parliament the new person gets a boost in their leader ratings which I have long regarded as a better indicator of the political weather than voting intention polls.
Armed with several thousand pounds and a dangerously small amount of knowledge, comedian Lloyd Griffith embarks on a challenge to double his money at the bookies while laying bare the truth about the gambling industry. En route he meets professional gamblers, academics who expose the tricks of the trade and people dealing with the consequences of their addiction.
On the subject of economics, and as I have a cup of tea to drink before doing some exercise, pretty much every major economy is flirting with recession right now.
Markit PMIs, or Purchasing Manager Indices, are some of the best forward looking indicators. They contact tens of thousands of firms every month with a survey and ask about stocks, backlogs, orders, exports, employment, etc. There is no reward for filling this in other than getting some nice reports on the economy (although it is a fairly trivial process), but in this way Markit gets an excellent idea of how manufacturing industries are trending around the world. (Markit has recently started doing services, retail, and construction as well, but the coverage these surveys get is still really low, so they are of varying usefulness.)
A PMI number of 50 indicates that half of firms are seeing improving conditions, and half are seeing deteriorating. They have been excellent barometers of growth, albeit sometimes overly sensitive.
Right now, the PMIs are below 50 and indicate recessions are incoming in the following countries:
Ireland UK South Korea Japan Taiwan Russia Poland Spain Italy Germany
And the following countries have PMIs of almost exactly 50 (which is not a good sign)...
Armed with several thousand pounds and a dangerously small amount of knowledge, comedian Lloyd Griffith embarks on a challenge to double his money at the bookies while laying bare the truth about the gambling industry. En route he meets professional gamblers, academics who expose the tricks of the trade and people dealing with the consequences of their addiction.
Armed with several thousand pounds and a dangerously small amount of knowledge, comedian Lloyd Griffith embarks on a challenge to double his money at the bookies while laying bare the truth about the gambling industry. En route he meets professional gamblers, academics who expose the tricks of the trade and people dealing with the consequences of their addiction.
Does he meet Tony Bloom?
That's all the info I've got I'm afraid. Although I now know that Tony Bloom is a poker player; so thanks for that.
I wonder if cheeky Nigel is planning to blame the suffering and degradation caused by No Deal on Boris's deal, even though it won't actually exist. Nigel might just have the chutzpah to try it, and many of his his admirers would probably believe him.
Pulpstar said: Does the German chart mean the ECB will probably hold rates near zero for the forseeable future ?
I said: Deposit rates with the ECB have been negative for some time. Lending rates are currently at record lows of 1.95% and heading lower. Despite the fact that you are having to pay Germany to look after your money their Target balances within the EZ are moving inexorably to 1trn Euros: http://sdw.ecb.europa.eu/reports.do?node=1000004859
The only thing that can save the EZ from yet another recession is a major increase in public spending combined with tax cuts in Germany to boost demand. And I don't see that happening whilst Merkel is there.
But the £ dropped independently of any cyclical or other normal economic forces, and our credit rating worsened as a direct consequence of you know what.
Should these two reverse immediately or soon after we actually Brexit, I am willing to concede that it may be due the benefits of said departure from the EU. You and the entire band of PB brothers will read my unashamed and sincere mea culpa. In fact I will be delighted to offer it, because what happens to the country and the people I love matters more to me than my silly pride, or being right on a point of principle.
But it ain't gonna happen, is it?
And you know why.
It isn't going to happen because sterling isn't a measure of strength and is a natural shock absorber. It falling is it doing its job as we adjust to a transition.
Why the obsession on sterling rather than wages, inflation or employment which is what actually effects people?
It is falling, because there is less demand for it. Now why is there less demand for it? Put your hand up when you think you have an answer.
Then you can move onto the credit rating question with the rest of the class.
*Raises hand*
There is less demand because markets like guaranteed safe havens more than uncertainty. Even if things are going well. Which is why it is a meaningless metric.
Just as credit rating is a meaningless metric too. It is a subjective measurement.
What is real rather than subjective is actual economic indicators. Inflation, wages, employment for people.
A better indication than credit rating is looking at gilt yields. UK 10 year gilt yield is currently a record low below 0.5% which shows remarkable confidence that the gilts are still a safe haven not a concern. It isn't as extreme as the negative yield of German gilts but it is still safe.
Personality is one thing but voters want action and results.
Hence why Mrs May plunged to the ground.
But Mrs May didn't have a personality. And, in a sense, she did take action and get results. She couldn't ultimately sell that result, but in many ways she was the antithesis of Johnson - a thoroughly boring person who wasn't afraid of hard work.
I wonder if cheeky Nigel is planning to blame the suffering and degradation caused by No Deal on Boris's deal, even though it won't actually exist. Nigel might just have the chutzpah to try it, and many of his his admirers would probably believe him.
Yes of course he is. He can't lose whatever happens. If the October 31st deadline is missed, either because of or despite Boris, he'll be gleefully pointing to the brain-dead 'do-or-die' promise. If we crash out on October 31st, he'll be gleefully pointing to the chaos and blaming Boris for doing the wrong kind of no-deal. And in the vanishingly unlikely scenario of an orderly exit on October 31st, he'll be running the betrayal line, gleefully quoting all the stuff Boris has stupidly said about vassalage.
Quite why the Tories have been stupid enough to set themselves up for this multi-pronged trap, actively seeking to make it as damaging for themselves as possible, will no doubt be an interesting study for future historians.
Regarding the thread, that "latest polling" from YouGov is unusually quite out of date. Fieldwork started on 21st July, 17 days ago and two days before Johnson had taken over from May. Johnson added 7% to the Conservative Party's poll rating with YouGov between 23/24 and 29/30 July. If that poll was repeated now I would certainly expect that more than 62% of Leave voters would give him a favourable rating based on his first fortnight's work.
The other point of note is that many incoming PMs come in with a fairly blank canvass having emerged from the shadows and initially gain the benefit of the doubt. May and Major were cases in point. Brown was defined and had favourable ratings, but those derived from having been a highly successful Chancellor and by being seen to have forced out the then deeply unpopular Blair, so his case was something of an exception. By contrast, in the present context where politicians are defined both by their stance on Brexit divide AND by the left/right divide it would be difficult to see any incoming PM gaining a favourable rating. So I think that a thread based on comparing Johnson's ratings with what would "generally" be expected amounts to a false comparison.
Continuous extensions were no end state. Parliament rejected the deal, the EU is unwilling to talk, we know our options it is time to make a decision and rip off the bandage.
Continuous extensions were no end state. Parliament rejected the deal, the EU is unwilling to talk, we know our options it is time to make a decision and rip off the bandage.
There was an alternative: to seek an extension, come up with a policy (which could even include crashing out, if that's what he wanted, or better still ratifying the WA), and call an election or a referendum to get a mandate for that policy.
Continuous extensions were no end state. Parliament rejected the deal, the EU is unwilling to talk, we know our options it is time to make a decision and rip off the bandage.
Or to say, "to be honest, the best deal available really wasn't as good as we'd hoped. So let's revoke, remain, and tackle the myriad other issues facing Britain and the world."
Continuous extensions were no end state. Parliament rejected the deal, the EU is unwilling to talk, we know our options it is time to make a decision and rip off the bandage.
Or to say, "to be honest, the best deal available really wasn't as good as we'd hoped. So let's revoke, remain, and tackle the myriad other issues facing Britain and the world."
This is an interesting point. People often say, reasonably enough, that if you can't get a good enough deal, you should walk away from it.
The thing is, though, that in normal cases - such as selling your car - if you walk away from the deal, you revert to the status quo. You don't get left with the burnt-out hulk of your car and no money. The status quo in this case is Remain, and the way to walk away from the deal if we don't like it is to revoke Article 50.
Continuous extensions were no end state. Parliament rejected the deal, the EU is unwilling to talk, we know our options it is time to make a decision and rip off the bandage.
There was an alternative: to seek an extension, come up with a policy (which could even include crashing out, if that's what he wanted, or better still ratifying the WA), and call an election or a referendum to get a mandate for that policy.
That's not an alternative end state that's just politics. The governments job is to try and implement its policy first and if it can't there can still be an election.
Continuous extensions were no end state. Parliament rejected the deal, the EU is unwilling to talk, we know our options it is time to make a decision and rip off the bandage.
Or to say, "to be honest, the best deal available really wasn't as good as we'd hoped. So let's revoke, remain, and tackle the myriad other issues facing Britain and the world."
This is an interesting point. People often say, reasonably enough, that if you can't get a good enough deal, you should walk away from it.
The thing is, though, that in normal cases - such as selling your car - if you walk away from the deal, you revert to the status quo. You don't get left with the burnt-out hulk of your car and no money. The status quo in this case is Remain, and the way to walk away from the deal if we don't like it is to revoke Article 50.
What if the car were a Renault or BMW and deserved being set on fire for being foreign? Even if it hurts the owner more than the non-buyer.
Pulpstar said: Does the German chart mean the ECB will probably hold rates near zero for the forseeable future ?
I said: Deposit rates with the ECB have been negative for some time. Lending rates are currently at record lows of 1.95% and heading lower. Despite the fact that you are having to pay Germany to look after your money their Target balances within the EZ are moving inexorably to 1trn Euros: http://sdw.ecb.europa.eu/reports.do?node=1000004859
The only thing that can save the EZ from yet another recession is a major increase in public spending combined with tax cuts in Germany to boost demand. And I don't see that happening whilst Merkel is there.
Germany is planning (albeit modest) fiscal stimulus of around 0.5% of GDP this year, which is the highest for the best part of a decade. The correct number, which would also lower Germany's damagingly large current account surplus, is probably 1.5-2.0%.
Continuous extensions were no end state. Parliament rejected the deal, the EU is unwilling to talk, we know our options it is time to make a decision and rip off the bandage.
Or to say, "to be honest, the best deal available really wasn't as good as we'd hoped. So let's revoke, remain, and tackle the myriad other issues facing Britain and the world."
This is an interesting point. People often say, reasonably enough, that if you can't get a good enough deal, you should walk away from it.
The thing is, though, that in normal cases - such as selling your car - if you walk away from the deal, you revert to the status quo. You don't get left with the burnt-out hulk of your car and no money. The status quo in this case is Remain, and the way to walk away from the deal if we don't like it is to revoke Article 50.
In business or daily life when you make a decision to discover later it's not going to work, you pause and either cancel it or delay until you get the issues resolved. That's a sensible way of doing things.
So that's the decided Labour leadership strategy now ? Attempt to win a general election as we get a timed-out no deal Brexit, and hang the consequences.
Though, to be fair, there are a number of possible interpretations of that stream of non-sequiturs.
Continuous extensions were no end state. Parliament rejected the deal, the EU is unwilling to talk, we know our options it is time to make a decision and rip off the bandage.
Or to say, "to be honest, the best deal available really wasn't as good as we'd hoped. So let's revoke, remain, and tackle the myriad other issues facing Britain and the world."
This is an interesting point. People often say, reasonably enough, that if you can't get a good enough deal, you should walk away from it.
The thing is, though, that in normal cases - such as selling your car - if you walk away from the deal, you revert to the status quo. You don't get left with the burnt-out hulk of your car and no money. The status quo in this case is Remain, and the way to walk away from the deal if we don't like it is to revoke Article 50.
Both no deal and remain are methods of walking away, and both are better than the undemocratic backstop.
However in the context of a negotiation revocation is unreasonable. Like it or not the EU is our opposition in this negotiation and they want us to remain. Saying "give us a good deal or we will do exactly what you want" is unreasonable so remain has to be off the table.
Continuous extensions were no end state. Parliament rejected the deal, the EU is unwilling to talk, we know our options it is time to make a decision and rip off the bandage.
Or to say, "to be honest, the best deal available really wasn't as good as we'd hoped. So let's revoke, remain, and tackle the myriad other issues facing Britain and the world."
This is an interesting point. People often say, reasonably enough, that if you can't get a good enough deal, you should walk away from it.
The thing is, though, that in normal cases - such as selling your car - if you walk away from the deal, you revert to the status quo. You don't get left with the burnt-out hulk of your car and no money. The status quo in this case is Remain, and the way to walk away from the deal if we don't like it is to revoke Article 50.
In business or daily life when you make a decision to discover later it's not going to work, you pause and either cancel it or delay until you get the issues resolved. That's a sensible way of doing things.
Only Remainiacs think it's not going to work and they've been saying that since 24th July 2016 - almost like they're just whining about not winning.
So that's the decided Labour leadership strategy now ? Attempt to win a general election as we get a timed-out no deal Brexit, and hang the consequences.
Though, to be fair, there are a number of possible interpretations of that stream of non-sequiturs.
Yet another example of politicians being against something, but not willing to actually prevent it happening.
Continuous extensions were no end state. Parliament rejected the deal, the EU is unwilling to talk, we know our options it is time to make a decision and rip off the bandage.
Or to say, "to be honest, the best deal available really wasn't as good as we'd hoped. So let's revoke, remain, and tackle the myriad other issues facing Britain and the world."
This is an interesting point. People often say, reasonably enough, that if you can't get a good enough deal, you should walk away from it.
The thing is, though, that in normal cases - such as selling your car - if you walk away from the deal, you revert to the status quo. You don't get left with the burnt-out hulk of your car and no money. The status quo in this case is Remain, and the way to walk away from the deal if we don't like it is to revoke Article 50.
In business or daily life when you make a decision to discover later it's not going to work, you pause and either cancel it or delay until you get the issues resolved. That's a sensible way of doing things.
It is an analogy that doesn't work because it isn't one person making a decision and then changing her minds. It was a democratic vote of millions, and virtually everyone has the same position they did three years ago. I think it was the wrong decision, but we lost, so we need to follow that through. For those of us that disagree, we should immediately start a campaign to rejoin and push whichever party is best placed to include a referendum on that in its manifesto. That is democracy.
Johnson has walked into Farage's trap. His only real policy is to appropriate Brexit Party supporters to the Conservatives, by never being outflanked on the lunacy. Farage can now taunt Johnson with ever more extreme and idiotic statements and there's nothing Johnson can do about it. He can't now say, this is nonsense. He's committed.
Continuous extensions were no end state. Parliament rejected the deal, the EU is unwilling to talk, we know our options it is time to make a decision and rip off the bandage.
Or to say, "to be honest, the best deal available really wasn't as good as we'd hoped. So let's revoke, remain, and tackle the myriad other issues facing Britain and the world."
This is an interesting point. People often say, reasonably enough, that if you can't get a good enough deal, you should walk away from it.
The thing is, though, that in normal cases - such as selling your car - if you walk away from the deal, you revert to the status quo. You don't get left with the burnt-out hulk of your car and no money. The status quo in this case is Remain, and the way to walk away from the deal if we don't like it is to revoke Article 50.
In business or daily life when you make a decision to discover later it's not going to work, you pause and either cancel it or delay until you get the issues resolved. That's a sensible way of doing things.
Only Remainiacs think it's not going to work and they've been saying that since 24th July 2016 - almost like they're just whining about not winning.
Is there any evidence or source of evidence you would be willing to accept that could convince you the outcomes of Brexit could be bad?
Personality is one thing but voters want action and results.
Hence why Mrs May plunged to the ground.
But Mrs May didn't have a personality. And, in a sense, she did take action and get results. She couldn't ultimately sell that result, but in many ways she was the antithesis of Johnson - a thoroughly boring person who wasn't afraid of hard work.
She didn't get a result at all - she brought back a shit sandwich and complained when nobody tucked in.
As for her non Brexit agenda - it was entirely non existent.
Wet Tories want a decade of dithering - get that in the sea.
So that's the decided Labour leadership strategy now ? Attempt to win a general election as we get a timed-out no deal Brexit, and hang the consequences.
Though, to be fair, there are a number of possible interpretations of that stream of non-sequiturs.
Yet another example of politicians being against something, but not willing to actually prevent it happening.
I assume as RLB is one of the anointed who the Left see as future leader when the terrible day comes for Corbyn to stand down, that she is a fully fledged LEXITeer.
Johnson has walked into Farage's trap. His only real policy is to appropriate Brexit Party supporters to the Conservatives, by never being outflanked on the lunacy. Farage can now taunt Johnson with ever more extreme and idiotic statements and there's nothing Johnson can do about it. He can't now say, this is nonsense. He's committed.
But Johnson is now PM. He has, in his own mind, already "won". And fuck the consequences for party and country.
Johnson has walked into Farage's trap. His only real policy is to appropriate Brexit Party supporters to the Conservatives, by never being outflanked on the lunacy. Farage can now taunt Johnson with ever more extreme and idiotic statements and there's nothing Johnson can do about it. He can't now say, this is nonsense. He's committed.
Johnson appears to be walking toward more votes, even as he jettisons loyalists like David H, TSE, and Big G.
Unfortunately those new voters tend to be volatile and flakey as hell.
Continuous extensions were no end state. Parliament rejected the deal, the EU is unwilling to talk, we know our options it is time to make a decision and rip off the bandage.
Or to say, "to be honest, the best deal available really wasn't as good as we'd hoped. So let's revoke, remain, and tackle the myriad other issues facing Britain and the world."
This is an interesting point. People often say, reasonably enough, that if you can't get a good enough deal, you should walk away from it.
The thing is, though, that in normal cases - such as selling your car - if you walk away from the deal, you revert to the status quo. You don't get left with the burnt-out hulk of your car and no money. The status quo in this case is Remain, and the way to walk away from the deal if we don't like it is to revoke Article 50.
In business or daily life when you make a decision to discover later it's not going to work, you pause and either cancel it or delay until you get the issues resolved. That's a sensible way of doing things.
Only Remainiacs think it's not going to work and they've been saying that since 24th July 2016 - almost like they're just whining about not winning.
Is there any evidence or source of evidence you would be willing to accept that could convince you the outcomes of Brexit could be bad?
I accept they "could" be bad. But more likely we're going to end up saving 350 mil per week for our beloved NHS and more democratic control over the policies of this island.
I assume as RLB is one of the anointed who the Left see as future leader when the terrible day comes for Corbyn to stand down, that she is a fully fledged LEXITeer.
Ah yes the fabled zero downside Brexit, where we get to pick and choose from the four freedoms.
The asteroid/military coup cannot come soon enough IMHO.
A fat fraction of the leaver community is happy to chuck both NI and Scotland in the bin to achieve their nirvana, why do you think a poxy rock on the coast of Spain will give them a moment's pause.
In your many emails on the previous thread, you found it difficult to comprehend that the value of Sterling should exercise people's minds when what is important to them is wages, employment et al. Apologies if somebody has already pointed it out, but the wages of many non-Leavers are paid in Sterling.
A fat fraction of the leaver community is happy to chuck both NI and Scotland in the bin to achieve their nirvana, why do you think a poxy rock on the coast of Spain will give them a moment's pause.
Residents of the rock are entitled to free will and to control their own destiny. Why shouldn't we have the same rights?
Continuous extensions were no end state. Parliament rejected the deal, the EU is unwilling to talk, we know our options it is time to make a decision and rip off the bandage.
Or to say, "to be honest, the best deal available really wasn't as good as we'd hoped. So let's revoke, remain, and tackle the myriad other issues facing Britain and the world."
This is an interesting point. People often say, reasonably enough, that if you can't get a good enough deal, you should walk away from it.
The thing is, though, that in normal cases - such as selling your car - if you walk away from the deal, you revert to the status quo. You don't get left with the burnt-out hulk of your car and no money. The status quo in this case is Remain, and the way to walk away from the deal if we don't like it is to revoke Article 50.
In business or daily life when you make a decision to discover later it's not going to work, you pause and either cancel it or delay until you get the issues resolved. That's a sensible way of doing things.
It is an analogy that doesn't work because it isn't one person making a decision and then changing her minds. It was a democratic vote of millions, and virtually everyone has the same position they did three years ago. I think it was the wrong decision, but we lost, so we need to follow that through. For those of us that disagree, we should immediately start a campaign to rejoin and push whichever party is best placed to include a referendum on that in its manifesto. That is democracy.
I agree.
It's a total Catch22. Brexit will fail. It (more or less) always was going to fail. People made a decision on a set of assumptions that predicted success, but which were false assumptions. So you either continue on a path to failure because you are mandated to do so or you attempt to avoid failure and in doing so go against democracy. Holding a second vote doesn't solve the problem for other reasons.
How this gets resolved eventually makes Brexit interesting despite the miserable experience of it.
In your many emails on the previous thread, you found it difficult to comprehend that the value of Sterling should exercise people's minds when what is important to them is wages, employment et al. Apologies if somebody has already pointed it out, but the wages of many non-Leavers are paid in Sterling.
The wages AND* expenses of both leavers and remainers are paid in Sterling. So that's a moot point. That is why inflation matters.
* Some people chose to live in one country and be paid from another. That's an extreme minority, their own extreme choice and their own responsibility.
Johnson has walked into Farage's trap. His only real policy is to appropriate Brexit Party supporters to the Conservatives, by never being outflanked on the lunacy. Farage can now taunt Johnson with ever more extreme and idiotic statements and there's nothing Johnson can do about it. He can't now say, this is nonsense. He's committed.
The next step for Nigel might be to declare that WTO terms amount to a profound and unacceptable assault on our national freedom. Nigel could arrange a march whose slogan is 'No No No to WTO' for example. Boris would probably feel compelled to fall into line.
I thought non tariff barriers were all the rage these days.
Non tariff barriers can best be removed by some level of political integration, which we're rejecting.
I agree, but there is still room to negotiate short of that. Look at the Canada-EU deal.
First we need to determine our relationship with the EU. Unless we know where we will draw our customs borders, we can't negotiate on trade with anyone else.
Johnson has walked into Farage's trap. His only real policy is to appropriate Brexit Party supporters to the Conservatives, by never being outflanked on the lunacy. Farage can now taunt Johnson with ever more extreme and idiotic statements and there's nothing Johnson can do about it. He can't now say, this is nonsense. He's committed.
But Johnson is now PM. He has, in his own mind, already "won". And fuck the consequences for party and country.
Johnson's problem is that half the country will blame him for the Brexit mess. The other half don't believe in Brexit mess, so will blame the undeniable mess on him for other reasons.
I thought non tariff barriers were all the rage these days.
Non tariff barriers can best be removed by some level of political integration, which we're rejecting.
I agree, but there is still room to negotiate short of that. Look at the Canada-EU deal.
First we need to determine our relationship with the EU. Unless we know where we will draw our customs borders, we can't negotiate on trade with anyone else.
Good training for PMQs, where any connection between questions and answers is purely coincidental. Theresa May was found to be the most evasive, and it would not be surprising if, faced with the forensic questioning of Jeremy Corbyn, Boris takes her record.
RLB is a best-priced 13/2 with Bet365 for next Labour leader.
A fat fraction of the leaver community is happy to chuck both NI and Scotland in the bin to achieve their nirvana, why do you think a poxy rock on the coast of Spain will give them a moment's pause.
Residents of the rock are entitled to free will and to control their own destiny. Why shouldn't we have the same rights?
A fat fraction of the leaver community is happy to chuck both NI and Scotland in the bin to achieve their nirvana, why do you think a poxy rock on the coast of Spain will give them a moment's pause.
Residents of the rock are entitled to free will and to control their own destiny. Why shouldn't we have the same rights?
Absolutely. Let's have a vote.
Oh no, I forgot. We have to have something called No Deal that nobody mentioned during the referendum campaign and nobidy voted for.
A fat fraction of the leaver community is happy to chuck both NI and Scotland in the bin to achieve their nirvana, why do you think a poxy rock on the coast of Spain will give them a moment's pause.
Residents of the rock are entitled to free will and to control their own destiny. Why shouldn't we have the same rights?
Absolutely. Let's have a vote.
We had one. Now we need to JFDI.
We can then vote at the next election to reverse or change our path if we aren't happy.
Good training for PMQs, where any connection between questions and answers is purely coincidental. Theresa May was found to be the most evasive, and it would not be surprising if, faced with the forensic questioning of Jeremy Corbyn, Boris takes her record.
RLB is a best-priced 13/2 with Bet365 for next Labour leader.
We're going to miss Corbyn when he's gone, aren't we?
A fat fraction of the leaver community is happy to chuck both NI and Scotland in the bin to achieve their nirvana, why do you think a poxy rock on the coast of Spain will give them a moment's pause.
Residents of the rock are entitled to free will and to control their own destiny. Why shouldn't we have the same rights?
Absolutely. Let's have a vote.
We had one. Now we need to JFDI.
We can then vote at the next election to reverse or change our path if we aren't happy.
Just fucking do something that was never mentioned during the referendum campaign and that nobody voted for?
Good training for PMQs, where any connection between questions and answers is purely coincidental. Theresa May was found to be the most evasive, and it would not be surprising if, faced with the forensic questioning of Jeremy Corbyn, Boris takes her record.
RLB is a best-priced 13/2 with Bet365 for next Labour leader.
A fat fraction of the leaver community is happy to chuck both NI and Scotland in the bin to achieve their nirvana, why do you think a poxy rock on the coast of Spain will give them a moment's pause.
Residents of the rock are entitled to free will and to control their own destiny. Why shouldn't we have the same rights?
Absolutely. Let's have a vote.
We had one. Now we need to JFDI.
We can then vote at the next election to reverse or change our path if we aren't happy.
Just fucking do something that was never mentioned during the referendum campaign and that nobody voted for?
We voted to leave. We need to just do that.
We could leave with or without a deal but Parliament ruled out with so we only have one choice left.
A fat fraction of the leaver community is happy to chuck both NI and Scotland in the bin to achieve their nirvana, why do you think a poxy rock on the coast of Spain will give them a moment's pause.
Residents of the rock are entitled to free will and to control their own destiny. Why shouldn't we have the same rights?
Absolutely. Let's have a vote.
Oh no, I forgot. We have to have something called No Deal that nobody mentioned during the referendum campaign and nobody voted for.
Continuous extensions were no end state. Parliament rejected the deal, the EU is unwilling to talk, we know our options it is time to make a decision and rip off the bandage.
Or to say, "to be honest, the best deal available really wasn't as good as we'd hoped. So let's revoke, remain, and tackle the myriad other issues facing Britain and the world."
This is an interesting point. People often say, reasonably enough, that if you can't get a good enough deal, you should walk away from it.
The thing is, though, that in normal cases - such as selling your car - if you walk away from the deal, you revert to the status quo. You don't get left with the burnt-out hulk of your car and no money. The status quo in this case is Remain, and the way to walk away from the deal if we don't like it is to revoke Article 50.
In business or daily life when you make a decision to discover later it's not going to work, you pause and either cancel it or delay until you get the issues resolved. That's a sensible way of doing things.
Only Remainiacs think it's not going to work and they've been saying that since 24th July 2016 - almost like they're just whining about not winning.
If Brexit was going to be a success, we would have left by now, the Leave plan detailing the steps to success would be in execution, negotiations would be firming up and the so called Remainiacs would be keeping very quiet...
Please excuse me while I get over my (bitter) laughter...
Leavers will blame the EU, Remainers, anyone except themselves, for the consequences of their decision. But blame doesn't substitute for success.
Continuous extensions were no end state. Parliament rejected the deal, the EU is unwilling to talk, we know our options it is time to make a decision and rip off the bandage.
Or to say, "to be honest, the best deal available really wasn't as good as we'd hoped. So let's revoke, remain, and tackle the myriad other issues facing Britain and the world."
This is an interesting point. People often say, reasonably enough, that if you can't get a good enough deal, you should walk away from it.
The thing is, though, that in normal cases - such as selling your car - if you walk away from the deal, you revert to the status quo. You don't get left with the burnt-out hulk of your car and no money. The status quo in this case is Remain, and the way to walk away from the deal if we don't like it is to revoke Article 50.
In business or daily life when you make a decision to discover later it's not going to work, you pause and either cancel it or delay until you get the issues resolved. That's a sensible way of doing things.
Only Remainiacs think it's not going to work and they've been saying that since 24th July 2016 - almost like they're just whining about not winning.
If Brexit was going to be a success, we would have left by now, the Leave plan detailing the steps to success would be in execution, negotiations would be firming up and the so called Remainiacs would be keeping very quiet...
Please excuse me while I get over my (bitter) laughter...
Leavers will blame the EU, Remainers, anyone except themselves, for the consequences of their decision. But blame doesn't substitute for success.
Brexit will be a success. The EU is making it very difficult to leave, because they don't want anyone else to leave.
We'll have some hiccups short term - but medium run we're quids in.
Talking about our 3 resident Tory members becoming ex-Tories, is there any anecdotal evidence of sane Tories decamping ? There is in the Labour party - not necessarily an avalanche but steady drip.
Continuous extensions were no end state. Parliament rejected the deal, the EU is unwilling to talk, we know our options it is time to make a decision and rip off the bandage.
Or to say, "to be honest, the best deal available really wasn't as good as we'd hoped. So let's revoke, remain, and tackle the myriad other issues facing Britain and the world."
This is an interesting point. People often say, reasonably enough, that if you can't get a good enough deal, you should walk away from it.
The thing is, though, that in normal cases - such as selling your car - if you walk away from the deal, you revert to the status quo. You don't get left with the burnt-out hulk of your car and no money. The status quo in this case is Remain, and the way to walk away from the deal if we don't like it is to revoke Article 50.
In business or daily life when you make a decision to discover later it's not going to work, you pause and either cancel it or delay until you get the issues resolved. That's a sensible way of doing things.
Only Remainiacs think it's not going to work and they've been saying that since 24th July 2016 - almost like they're just whining about not winning.
If Brexit was going to be a success, we would have left by now, the Leave plan detailing the steps to success would be in execution, negotiations would be firming up and the so called Remainiacs would be keeping very quiet...
Please excuse me while I get over my (bitter) laughter...
Leavers will blame the EU, Remainers, anyone except themselves, for the consequences of their decision. But blame doesn't substitute for success.
Brexit will be a success. The EU is making it very difficult to leave, because they don't want anyone else to leave.
We'll have some hiccups short term - but medium run we're quids in.
Why should anyone slightly objective believe that, contrary to the evidence they can see?
Continuous extensions were no end state. Parliament rejected the deal, the EU is unwilling to talk, we know our options it is time to make a decision and rip off the bandage.
Or to say, "to be honest, the best deal available really wasn't as good as we'd hoped. So let's revoke, remain, and tackle the myriad other issues facing Britain and the world."
This is an interesting point. People often say, reasonably enough, that if you can't get a good enough deal, you should walk away from it.
The thing is, though, that in normal cases - such as selling your car - if you walk away from the deal, you revert to the status quo. You don't get left with the burnt-out hulk of your car and no money. The status quo in this case is Remain, and the way to walk away from the deal if we don't like it is to revoke Article 50.
In business or daily life when you make a decision to discover later it's not going to work, you pause and either cancel it or delay until you get the issues resolved. That's a sensible way of doing things.
Only Remainiacs think it's not going to work and they've been saying that since 24th July 2016 - almost like they're just whining about not winning.
If Brexit was going to be a success, we would have left by now, the Leave plan detailing the steps to success would be in execution, negotiations would be firming up and the so called Remainiacs would be keeping very quiet...
Please excuse me while I get over my (bitter) laughter...
Leavers will blame the EU, Remainers, anyone except themselves, for the consequences of their decision. But blame doesn't substitute for success.
Brexit will be a success. The EU is making it very difficult to leave, because they don't want anyone else to leave.
We'll have some hiccups short term - but medium run we're quids in.
Those medium term “quids in” prospects must be why investors are lining up to put a their money in Britain.
Oh wait, they’re not.
Do you have any credible economic theory for believing we will be “quids in”?
Continuous extensions were no end state. Parliament rejected the deal, the EU is unwilling to talk, we know our options it is time to make a decision and rip off the bandage.
Or to say, "to be honest, the best deal available really wasn't as good as we'd hoped. So let's revoke, remain, and tackle the myriad other issues facing Britain and the world."
This is an interesting point. People often say, reasonably enough, that if you can't get a good enough deal, you should walk away from it.
The thing is, though, that in normal cases - such as selling your car - if you walk away from the deal, you revert to the status quo. You don't get left with the burnt-out hulk of your car and no money. The status quo in this case is Remain, and the way to walk away from the deal if we don't like it is to revoke Article 50.
In business or daily life when you make a decision to discover later it's not going to work, you pause and either cancel it or delay until you get the issues resolved. That's a sensible way of doing things.
Only Remainiacs think it's not going to work and they've been saying that since 24th July 2016 - almost like they're just whining about not winning.
If Brexit was going to be a success, we would have left by now, the Leave plan detailing the steps to success would be in execution, negotiations would be firming up and the so called Remainiacs would be keeping very quiet...
Please excuse me while I get over my (bitter) laughter...
Leavers will blame the EU, Remainers, anyone except themselves, for the consequences of their decision. But blame doesn't substitute for success.
Brexit will be a success. The EU is making it very difficult to leave, because they don't want anyone else to leave.
We'll have some hiccups short term - but medium run we're quids in.
Why should anyone slightly objective believe that, contrary to the evidence they can see?
The evidence? There's no evidence yet. All we've got are forecasts.
Continuous extensions were no end state. Parliament rejected the deal, the EU is unwilling to talk, we know our options it is time to make a decision and rip off the bandage.
Or to say, "to be honest, the best deal available really wasn't as good as we'd hoped. So let's revoke, remain, and tackle the myriad other issues facing Britain and the world."
This is an interesting point. People often say, reasonably enough, that if you can't get a good enough deal, you should walk away from it.
The thing is, though, that in normal cases - such as selling your car - if you walk away from the deal, you revert to the status quo. You don't get left with the burnt-out hulk of your car and no money. The status quo in this case is Remain, and the way to walk away from the deal if we don't like it is to revoke Article 50.
In business or daily life when you make a decision to discover later it's not going to work, you pause and either cancel it or delay until you get the issues resolved. That's a sensible way of doing things.
Only Remainiacs think it's not going to work and they've been saying that since 24th July 2016 - almost like they're just whining about not winning.
If Brexit was going to be a success, we would have left by now, the Leave plan detailing the steps to success would be in execution, negotiations would be firming up and the so called Remainiacs would be keeping very quiet...
Please excuse me while I get over my (bitter) laughter...
Leavers will blame the EU, Remainers, anyone except themselves, for the consequences of their decision. But blame doesn't substitute for success.
Brexit will be a success. The EU is making it very difficult to leave, because they don't want anyone else to leave.
We'll have some hiccups short term - but medium run we're quids in.
I've just had Priti Patel's constituents Summer newsletter. Don't know why I don't block it; always annoys me. Very laudatory about Johnson, and the quotes are from before she was made Home Sec.
Continuous extensions were no end state. Parliament rejected the deal, the EU is unwilling to talk, we know our options it is time to make a decision and rip off the bandage.
Or to say, "to be honest, the best deal available really wasn't as good as we'd hoped. So let's revoke, remain, and tackle the myriad other issues facing Britain and the world."
This is an interesting point. People often say, reasonably enough, that if you can't get a good enough deal, you should walk away from it.
The thing is, though, that in normal cases - such as selling your car - if you walk away from the deal, you revert to the status quo. You don't get left with the burnt-out hulk of your car and no money. The status quo in this case is Remain, and the way to walk away from the deal if we don't like it is to revoke Article 50.
In business or daily life when you make a decision to discover later it's not going to work, you pause and either cancel it or delay until you get the issues resolved. That's a sensible way of doing things.
Only Remainiacs think it's not going to work and they've been saying that since 24th July 2016 - almost like they're just whining about not winning.
If Brexit was going to be a success, we would have left by now, the Leave plan detailing the steps to success would be in execution, negotiations would be firming up and the so called Remainiacs would be keeping very quiet...
Please excuse me while I get over my (bitter) laughter...
Leavers will blame the EU, Remainers, anyone except themselves, for the consequences of their decision. But blame doesn't substitute for success.
Brexit will be a success. The EU is making it very difficult to leave, because they don't want anyone else to leave.
We'll have some hiccups short term - but medium run we're quids in.
Those medium term “quids in” prospects must be why investors are lining up to put a their money in Britain.
Oh wait, they’re not.
Do you have any credible economic theory for believing we will be “quids in”?
Didn’t think so.
We'll be saving 350 million quid per week - "quids in" - who needs economic theory when you've got hard accounts data.
Wow. This surprised me - from The Express of all places. Basically: the EU is completely prepared for No Deal, have sussed the government's chicaneries and Boris is stuffed.
And it is Mr Johnson’s tactical posturing that leaves Brussels thankful that its no-deal Brexit preparations are up to scratch.
Eurocrats believe that their planning far outweighs the contingency work undertaken by the British Government under Theresa May.
One EU source said: “Brussels will stand fast on the backstop and the issue of no deal because our contingency planning is way further advanced than Britain’s.
“We are prepared to offer financial support for Ireland and other frontline countries – including France, Belgium, Luxembourg and the Netherlands.
“There have been no signs of member states wanting to take a different approach or even considering divide and rule to prevent no deal.”
Continuous extensions were no end state. Parliament rejected the deal, the EU is unwilling to talk, we know our options it is time to make a decision and rip off the bandage.
Or to say, "to be honest, the best deal available really wasn't as good as we'd hoped. So let's revoke, remain, and tackle the myriad other issues facing Britain and the world."
This is an interesting point. People often say, reasonably enough, that if you can't get a good enough deal, you should walk away from it.
The thing is, though, that in normal cases - such as selling your car - if you walk away from the deal, you revert to the status quo. You don't get left with the burnt-out hulk of your car and no money. The status quo in this case is Remain, and the way to walk away from the deal if we don't like it is to revoke Article 50.
In business or daily life when you make a decision to discover later it's not going to work, you pause and either cancel it or delay until you get the issues resolved. That's a sensible way of doing things.
Only Remainiacs think it's not going to work and they've been saying that since 24th July 2016 - almost like they're just whining about not winning.
If Brexit was going to be a success, we would have left by now, the Leave plan detailing the steps to success would be in execution, negotiations would be firming up and the so called Remainiacs would be keeping very quiet...
Please excuse me while I get over my (bitter) laughter...
Leavers will blame the EU, Remainers, anyone except themselves, for the consequences of their decision. But blame doesn't substitute for success.
Brexit will be a success. The EU is making it very difficult to leave, because they don't want anyone else to leave.
We'll have some hiccups short term - but medium run we're quids in.
Those medium term “quids in” prospects must be why investors are lining up to put a their money in Britain.
Oh wait, they’re not.
Do you have any credible economic theory for believing we will be “quids in”?
Didn’t think so.
We'll be saving 350 million quid per week - "quids in" - who needs economic theory when you've got hard accounts data.
Even on that pathetic measure, we only get half of that of course. Meanwhile the economy is losing billions in reduced output.
Continuous extensions were no end state. Parliament rejected the deal, the EU is unwilling to talk, we know our options it is time to make a decision and rip off the bandage.
Or to say, "to be honest, the best deal available really wasn't as good as we'd hoped. So let's revoke, remain, and tackle the myriad other issues facing Britain and the world."
This is an interesting point. People often say, reasonably enough, that if you can't get a good enough deal, you should walk away from it.
The thing is, though, that in normal cases - such as selling your car - if you walk away from the deal, you revert to the status quo. You don't get left with the burnt-out hulk of your car and no money. The status quo in this case is Remain, and the way to walk away from the deal if we don't like it is to revoke Article 50.
In business or daily life when you make a decision to discover later it's not going to work, you pause and either cancel it or delay until you get the issues resolved. That's a sensible way of doing things.
Only Remainiacs think it's not going to work and they've been saying that since 24th July 2016 - almost like they're just whining about not winning.
If Brexit was going to be a success, we would have left by now, the Leave plan detailing the steps to success would be in execution, negotiations would be firming up and the so called Remainiacs would be keeping very quiet...
Please excuse me while I get over my (bitter) laughter...
Leavers will blame the EU, Remainers, anyone except themselves, for the consequences of their decision. But blame doesn't substitute for success.
Brexit will be a success. The EU is making it very difficult to leave, because they don't want anyone else to leave.
We'll have some hiccups short term - but medium run we're quids in.
Why should anyone slightly objective believe that, contrary to the evidence they can see?
What evidence?
The reason people are harping on about bollocks like sterling when we both earn our income and spend our expenditure in sterling so it's moot is because there is no real evidence.
Employment is up, wages are up, inflation is low. A trifecta of good news but why let that stand in the way of a good moan?
Continuous extensions were no end state. Parliament rejected the deal, the EU is unwilling to talk, we know our options it is time to make a decision and rip off the bandage.
Or to say, "to be honest, the best deal available really wasn't as good as we'd hoped. So let's revoke, remain, and tackle the myriad other issues facing Britain and the world."
This is an interesting point. People often say, reasonably enough, that if you can't get a good enough deal, you should walk away from it.
The thing is, though, that in normal cases - such as selling your car - if you walk away from the deal, you revert to the status quo. You don't get left with the burnt-out hulk of your car and no money. The status quo in this case is Remain, and the way to walk away from the deal if we don't like it is to revoke Article 50.
In business or daily life when you make a decision to discover later it's not going to work, you pause and either cancel it or delay until you get the issues resolved. That's a sensible way of doing things.
Only Remainiacs think it's not going to work and they've been saying that since 24th July 2016 - almost like they're just whining about not winning.
If Brexit was going to be a success, we would have left by now, the Leave plan detailing the steps to success would be in execution, negotiations would be firming up and the so called Remainiacs would be keeping very quiet...
Please excuse me while I get over my (bitter) laughter...
Leavers will blame the EU, Remainers, anyone except themselves, for the consequences of their decision. But blame doesn't substitute for success.
Brexit will be a success. The EU is making it very difficult to leave, because they don't want anyone else to leave.
We'll have some hiccups short term - but medium run we're quids in.
Those medium term “quids in” prospects must be why investors are lining up to put a their money in Britain.
Oh wait, they’re not.
Do you have any credible economic theory for believing we will be “quids in”?
Didn’t think so.
We'll be saving 350 million quid per week - "quids in" - who needs economic theory when you've got hard accounts data.
You sound like the kind of person who would look at their personal finances and decide to leave their job to be quids in on the petrol money.
Wow. This surprised me - from The Express of all places. Basically: the EU is completely prepared for No Deal, have sussed the government's chicaneries and Boris is stuffed.
And it is Mr Johnson’s tactical posturing that leaves Brussels thankful that its no-deal Brexit preparations are up to scratch.
Eurocrats believe that their planning far outweighs the contingency work undertaken by the British Government under Theresa May.
One EU source said: “Brussels will stand fast on the backstop and the issue of no deal because our contingency planning is way further advanced than Britain’s.
“We are prepared to offer financial support for Ireland and other frontline countries – including France, Belgium, Luxembourg and the Netherlands.
“There have been no signs of member states wanting to take a different approach or even considering divide and rule to prevent no deal.”
Talking about our 3 resident Tory members becoming ex-Tories, is there any anecdotal evidence of sane Tories decamping ? There is in the Labour party - not necessarily an avalanche but steady drip.
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Can You Beat the Bookies?
Armed with several thousand pounds and a dangerously small amount of knowledge, comedian Lloyd Griffith embarks on a challenge to double his money at the bookies while laying bare the truth about the gambling industry. En route he meets professional gamblers, academics who expose the tricks of the trade and people dealing with the consequences of their addiction.
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1159027396386938881
Markit PMIs, or Purchasing Manager Indices, are some of the best forward looking indicators. They contact tens of thousands of firms every month with a survey and ask about stocks, backlogs, orders, exports, employment, etc. There is no reward for filling this in other than getting some nice reports on the economy (although it is a fairly trivial process), but in this way Markit gets an excellent idea of how manufacturing industries are trending around the world. (Markit has recently started doing services, retail, and construction as well, but the coverage these surveys get is still really low, so they are of varying usefulness.)
A PMI number of 50 indicates that half of firms are seeing improving conditions, and half are seeing deteriorating. They have been excellent barometers of growth, albeit sometimes overly sensitive.
Right now, the PMIs are below 50 and indicate recessions are incoming in the following countries:
Ireland
UK
South Korea
Japan
Taiwan
Russia
Poland
Spain
Italy
Germany
And the following countries have PMIs of almost exactly 50 (which is not a good sign)...
US
China
France
Brazil
Canada
Still growing are...
India
The Netherlands
https://www.bloomberg.com/energy
In the 21st century, political oratory = a complete pack of lies?
Pulpstar said:
Does the German chart mean the ECB will probably hold rates near zero for the forseeable future ?
I said:
Deposit rates with the ECB have been negative for some time. Lending rates are currently at record lows of 1.95% and heading lower. Despite the fact that you are having to pay Germany to look after your money their Target balances within the EZ are moving inexorably to 1trn Euros: http://sdw.ecb.europa.eu/reports.do?node=1000004859
The only thing that can save the EZ from yet another recession is a major increase in public spending combined with tax cuts in Germany to boost demand. And I don't see that happening whilst Merkel is there.
Personality is one thing but voters want action and results.
Hence why Mrs May plunged to the ground.
There is less demand because markets like guaranteed safe havens more than uncertainty. Even if things are going well. Which is why it is a meaningless metric.
Just as credit rating is a meaningless metric too. It is a subjective measurement.
What is real rather than subjective is actual economic indicators. Inflation, wages, employment for people.
A better indication than credit rating is looking at gilt yields. UK 10 year gilt yield is currently a record low below 0.5% which shows remarkable confidence that the gilts are still a safe haven not a concern. It isn't as extreme as the negative yield of German gilts but it is still safe.
Quite why the Tories have been stupid enough to set themselves up for this multi-pronged trap, actively seeking to make it as damaging for themselves as possible, will no doubt be an interesting study for future historians.
The other point of note is that many incoming PMs come in with a fairly blank canvass having emerged from the shadows and initially gain the benefit of the doubt. May and Major were cases in point. Brown was defined and had favourable ratings, but those derived from having been a highly successful Chancellor and by being seen to have forced out the then deeply unpopular Blair, so his case was something of an exception. By contrast, in the present context where politicians are defined both by their stance on Brexit divide AND by the left/right divide it would be difficult to see any incoming PM gaining a favourable rating. So I think that a thread based on comparing Johnson's ratings with what would "generally" be expected amounts to a false comparison.
Continuous extensions were no end state. Parliament rejected the deal, the EU is unwilling to talk, we know our options it is time to make a decision and rip off the bandage.
What is her favourite biscuit? Pryaniki?
The thing is, though, that in normal cases - such as selling your car - if you walk away from the deal, you revert to the status quo. You don't get left with the burnt-out hulk of your car and no money. The status quo in this case is Remain, and the way to walk away from the deal if we don't like it is to revoke Article 50.
He is absolutely right.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/06/opinion/trump-china-trade.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
The China-US trade dispute is deeply worrying.
Why is everything going wrong at once?
Attempt to win a general election as we get a timed-out no deal Brexit, and hang the consequences.
Though, to be fair, there are a number of possible interpretations of that stream of non-sequiturs.
However in the context of a negotiation revocation is unreasonable. Like it or not the EU is our opposition in this negotiation and they want us to remain. Saying "give us a good deal or we will do exactly what you want" is unreasonable so remain has to be off the table.
[whatever happened to quality satire?]
As for her non Brexit agenda - it was entirely non existent.
Wet Tories want a decade of dithering - get that in the sea.
Unfortunately those new voters tend to be volatile and flakey as hell.
Still, Corbyn.
The asteroid/military coup cannot come soon enough IMHO.
In your many emails on the previous thread, you found it difficult to comprehend that the value of Sterling should exercise people's minds when what is important to them is wages, employment et al. Apologies if somebody has already pointed it out, but the wages of many non-Leavers are paid in Sterling.
It's a total Catch22. Brexit will fail. It (more or less) always was going to fail. People made a decision on a set of assumptions that predicted success, but which were false assumptions. So you either continue on a path to failure because you are mandated to do so or you attempt to avoid failure and in doing so go against democracy. Holding a second vote doesn't solve the problem for other reasons.
How this gets resolved eventually makes Brexit interesting despite the miserable experience of it.
* Some people chose to live in one country and be paid from another. That's an extreme minority, their own extreme choice and their own responsibility.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/politics/how-democratic-candidate-donors-overlap/
Perhaps a good way to get a handle on whose support is likely to go where, as candidates flatlining in the polls drop out.
Time to end the stasis.
RLB is a best-priced 13/2 with Bet365 for next Labour leader.
If people want either of those they can get a majority to vote for it afterwards. They're not relevant.
God knows what the "true" cybernats think of support from an little Englander like you.
We can then vote at the next election to reverse or change our path if we aren't happy.
(Things you never believed you would write #327)
We could leave with or without a deal but Parliament ruled out with so we only have one choice left.
Anyway, I said I was curious as to what they think; not you.
Please excuse me while I get over my (bitter) laughter...
Leavers will blame the EU, Remainers, anyone except themselves, for the consequences of their decision. But blame doesn't substitute for success.
We'll have some hiccups short term - but medium run we're quids in.
Oh wait, they’re not.
Do you have any credible economic theory for believing we will be “quids in”?
Didn’t think so.
https://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/conference/2007/09/labour-majority-increase
And it is Mr Johnson’s tactical posturing that leaves Brussels thankful that its no-deal Brexit preparations are up to scratch.
Eurocrats believe that their planning far outweighs the contingency work undertaken by the British Government under Theresa May.
One EU source said: “Brussels will stand fast on the backstop and the issue of no deal because our contingency planning is way further advanced than Britain’s.
“We are prepared to offer financial support for Ireland and other frontline countries – including France, Belgium, Luxembourg and the Netherlands.
“There have been no signs of member states wanting to take a different approach or even considering divide and rule to prevent no deal.”
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1160249/Brexit-news-UK-EU-Boris-Johnson-Ireland-backstop-no-deal-Brexit-latest-update
I’ll put you in the “stupid” bucket.
The reason people are harping on about bollocks like sterling when we both earn our income and spend our expenditure in sterling so it's moot is because there is no real evidence.
Employment is up, wages are up, inflation is low. A trifecta of good news but why let that stand in the way of a good moan?
https://www.bloomberg.com/energy
Nabavi
Herdson
Big G
TSE
Any more?