RCS said: That shouldn't be an enormous surprise. The PMIs point to high risks of recessions in both the Eurozone and the UK.
In the US, the PMIs are the merest smidgen above 50. More worryingly, the yield curve has properly inverted. Out of the six recessions in the post WW2 era, this has only happened on seven occasions. On all but one of those, it was followed within six months by a recession.
What should scare policymakers in both Europe and the US is that monetary policy cannot easily be used to boost demand. Interest rates in the US are a mere 2%. In the UK they're are... ummm... 0.75%. The Eurozone is - what - 0.25%.
I said: Too conventional in your thinking. Monetary policy has a larger tool kit these days. The ECB are already talking about going back to QE along with negative interest rates.
If a deal between the UK and EU cannot be reached:
38% support leaving the European Union without a deal, whereas 50% oppose. 67% of Conservative voters support this outcome but 74% of Labour voters oppose.
50% support delaying the UK leaving until an agreement can be reached, 37% oppose. 62% of Conservatives oppose this outcome and 75% of Labour voters support it.
56% support a General Election to elect a new parliament, 29% oppose. 87% of Labour voters and 71% of Lib Dems support this outcome but a majority of Conservatives (55%) oppose.
So the Tories are c10 points ahead. But it is Tory voters opposed to an election? Suggests a snap poll may not play too well. People simply don't like elections for purely party political reasons. Even if it is their own side doing it.
Or they don’t want to risk it. I doubt someone who said they’d vote for a party would not based solely on the fact there was an election.
I think it plants the first seeds of doubt among the unconvinced. If you say there isn't going to be an election than have one, what else can you believe? It seemed to with May.
If a deal between the UK and EU cannot be reached:
38% support leaving the European Union without a deal, whereas 50% oppose. 67% of Conservative voters support this outcome but 74% of Labour voters oppose.
50% support delaying the UK leaving until an agreement can be reached, 37% oppose. 62% of Conservatives oppose this outcome and 75% of Labour voters support it.
56% support a General Election to elect a new parliament, 29% oppose. 87% of Labour voters and 71% of Lib Dems support this outcome but a majority of Conservatives (55%) oppose.
So the Tories are c10 points ahead. But it is Tory voters opposed to an election? Suggests a snap poll may not play too well. People simply don't like elections for purely party political reasons. Even if it is their own side doing it.
Or they don’t want to risk it. I doubt someone who said they’d vote for a party would not based solely on the fact there was an election.
I think it plants the first seeds of doubt. And sways the undecided. It seemed to with May.
Yes, the undecided have to make up their minds. Doubt it sways a single voter from one party to another, or causes an abstention.
RCS said: That shouldn't be an enormous surprise. The PMIs point to high risks of recessions in both the Eurozone and the UK.
In the US, the PMIs are the merest smidgen above 50. More worryingly, the yield curve has properly inverted. Out of the six recessions in the post WW2 era, this has only happened on seven occasions. On all but one of those, it was followed within six months by a recession.
What should scare policymakers in both Europe and the US is that monetary policy cannot easily be used to boost demand. Interest rates in the US are a mere 2%. In the UK they're are... ummm... 0.75%. The Eurozone is - what - 0.25%.
I said: Too conventional in your thinking. Monetary policy has a larger tool kit these days. The ECB are already talking about going back to QE along with negative interest rates.
Isn't it true that post-Brexit, the BoE, CoE and Mr Johnson are all somewhat hamstrung over interventions if the anticipated supply-side problems materialise, namely stimulating demand is a waste of time if there is nothing to buy?
Overall, a very good rule is high turnout in the day is good for the blues, high turnout first thing before and straight after work is good for the yellows, and a queue at the polling station with fifteen minutes to go is great for the reds.
At the May local elections at 945pm, I managed to get one couple who'd forgotten the date and had gone to bed to come out and sprint down the road with me in their pyjamas. The returning officer was bemused and delighted by their enthusiasm.
Way back in the 60s when I first got involved, in Hornsey, we were depressed by the low turnout at 8 pm, but got the word out to the ex-Greek Cypriot community leaders. As if by magic, the streets filled with figures hurrying down the road to do their bit. As a teenage enthusiast I thought it was a magic moment.
I always felt sorry for Graeme Hick, with his first class stats he could bat, but England selection during the 90s was shocking, he was always the first to be dropped, even if the scores didn't justify it.
I always felt sorry for Graeme Hick, with his first class stats he could bat, but England selection during the 90s was shocking, he was always the first to be dropped, even if the scores didn't justify it.
Yes and no. He really couldn't handle quick short bowling. At the time lots of excellent quick bowlers, especially tall ones likes Ambrose.
RCS said: That shouldn't be an enormous surprise. The PMIs point to high risks of recessions in both the Eurozone and the UK.
In the US, the PMIs are the merest smidgen above 50. More worryingly, the yield curve has properly inverted. Out of the six recessions in the post WW2 era, this has only happened on seven occasions. On all but one of those, it was followed within six months by a recession.
What should scare policymakers in both Europe and the US is that monetary policy cannot easily be used to boost demand. Interest rates in the US are a mere 2%. In the UK they're are... ummm... 0.75%. The Eurozone is - what - 0.25%.
I said: Too conventional in your thinking. Monetary policy has a larger tool kit these days. The ECB are already talking about going back to QE along with negative interest rates.
Isn't it true that post-Brexit, the BoE, CoE and Mr Johnson are all somewhat hamstrung over interventions if the anticipated supply-side problems materialise, namely stimulating demand is a waste of time if there is nothing to buy?
+1. I absolutely think this is his plan. The one thing a non-existent majority gives you is the ability to blame others for your failure. Madman strategy - force Parliament to act to avert catastrophe, then loudly blame them for pulling the plug.
Ditto - been saying this for a while now. He has a narrow window where he can draw BXP supporters back to the Tory fold, so needs an election during that period.
Overall, a very good rule is high turnout in the day is good for the blues, high turnout first thing before and straight after work is good for the yellows, and a queue at the polling station with fifteen minutes to go is great for the reds.
At the May local elections at 945pm, I managed to get one couple who'd forgotten the date and had gone to bed to come out and sprint down the road with me in their pyjamas. The returning officer was bemused and delighted by their enthusiasm.
Way back in the 60s when I first got involved, in Hornsey, we were depressed by the low turnout at 8 pm, but got the word out to the ex-Greek Cypriot community leaders. As if by magic, the streets filled with figures hurrying down the road to do their bit. As a teenage enthusiast I thought it was a magic moment.
I always felt sorry for Graeme Hick, with his first class stats he could bat, but England selection during the 90s was shocking, he was always the first to be dropped, even if the scores didn't justify it.
Yes and no. He really couldn't handle quick short bowling. At the time lots of excellent quick bowlers, especially tall ones likes Ambrose.
I always felt sorry for Graeme Hick, with his first class stats he could bat, but England selection during the 90s was shocking, he was always the first to be dropped, even if the scores didn't justify it.
Yes and no. He really couldn't handle quick short bowling. At the time lots of excellent quick bowlers, especially tall ones likes Ambrose.
Ambrose was awesome.
At the time, I used to net with a county cricketer and he said that Ambrose was the best bowler he faced, closely followed by Kumble. The problem with Ambrose was every ball was rib height off a good length and so hard to get away for runs.
The Times have got an umpire/lbw game on their website, you don't need to be a subscriber, and there's four levels, I'm good enough to umpire an Ashes test.
As a youth, I played in a league that had plenty of clubs in shall we say slightly rough and ready areas.
One match was cancelled after the umpire (who were paid, rather than being Bob's bestmate's dad) made a series of terrible decisions, the bowler eventually lost it and pulled a stump out of the ground and went for him. The batsmen then got involved and then it was like one of those dug-out clearing dust ups you see in baseball.
The Times have got an umpire/lbw game on their website, you don't need to be a subscriber, and there's four levels, I'm good enough to umpire an Ashes test.
I always felt sorry for Graeme Hick, with his first class stats he could bat, but England selection during the 90s was shocking, he was always the first to be dropped, even if the scores didn't justify it.
Yes and no. He really couldn't handle quick short bowling. At the time lots of excellent quick bowlers, especially tall ones likes Ambrose.
Ambrose was awesome.
At the time, I used to net with a county cricketer and he said that Ambrose was the best bowler he faced, closely followed by Kumble. The problem with Ambrose was every ball was rib height off a good length and so hard to get away for runs.
As soon as a batsman came in he was thinking about the pain ambrose would give him. Truly scary and unnerving
Interesting knocking up tactics from the Brexit Party Ltd., flying a plane with a banner above the constituency. Good of them to help all of their rivals remind people its polling day.
Meanwhile on the ground the LibDems are just moving from first knock up to second.
I always felt sorry for Graeme Hick, with his first class stats he could bat, but England selection during the 90s was shocking, he was always the first to be dropped, even if the scores didn't justify it.
Atherton calling him on 98 or 99 was particularly callous.
Smith continues to make a game of it with almost no support. He really is a class act although you have to take the rough with the smooth, I suppose.
He's ranked second highest on the all time batting ratings.
1. The Don 961 2. Smith 947 3. Hutton 945 4. Ponting 942 5. Jack Hobbs 942
Ponting was the best I ever saw, between Ashes 2005 and summer of 2008. His batting, in all formats, was just unreal. He made back to back centuries in his 100th test (against SA) with his eyes closed. It was the way he did it too, batting under big pressure after the Proteas made a big first innings score. Won the game too, one of his 108 Test wins. Another unreal stat.
Why such an emphasis on the fact that the best candidate may be a woman (even so far as to underline it)? And perhaps it is skewing a bit by including that last question, lol.
Overall, a very good rule is high turnout in the day is good for the blues, high turnout first thing before and straight after work is good for the yellows, and a queue at the polling station with fifteen minutes to go is great for the reds.
At the May local elections at 945pm, I managed to get one couple who'd forgotten the date and had gone to bed to come out and sprint down the road with me in their pyjamas. The returning officer was bemused and delighted by their enthusiasm.
Way back in the 60s when I first got involved, in Hornsey, we were depressed by the low turnout at 8 pm, but got the word out to the ex-Greek Cypriot community leaders. As if by magic, the streets filled with figures hurrying down the road to do their bit. As a teenage enthusiast I thought it was a magic moment.
We always waited for the dead Russian
I've never understood why it was called that - Serge is a French name; Sergei is Russian.
Interesting knocking up tactics from the Brexit Party Ltd., flying a plane with a banner above the constituency. Good of them to help all of their rivals remind people its polling day.
Didn't Farage do that in 2010, didn't turn out so well for him or UKIP.
I always felt sorry for Graeme Hick, with his first class stats he could bat, but England selection during the 90s was shocking, he was always the first to be dropped, even if the scores didn't justify it.
Yes and no. He really couldn't handle quick short bowling. At the time lots of excellent quick bowlers, especially tall ones likes Ambrose.
Ambrose was awesome.
At the time, I used to net with a county cricketer and he said that Ambrose was the best bowler he faced, closely followed by Kumble. The problem with Ambrose was every ball was rib height off a good length and so hard to get away for runs.
As soon as a batsman came in he was thinking about the pain ambrose would give him. Truly scary and unnerving
I don't think I would have batted against him in anything short of a suit of armor. And even then...
I always felt sorry for Graeme Hick, with his first class stats he could bat, but England selection during the 90s was shocking, he was always the first to be dropped, even if the scores didn't justify it.
Atherton calling him on 98 or 99 was particularly callous.
98. Atherton and the rest of the team were really annoyed at Hick fannying around whilst they needed time to bowl out the convicts.
I always felt sorry for Graeme Hick, with his first class stats he could bat, but England selection during the 90s was shocking, he was always the first to be dropped, even if the scores didn't justify it.
Atherton calling him on 98 or 99 was particularly callous.
98. Atherton and the rest of the team were really annoyed at Hick fannying around whilst they needed time to bowl out the convicts.
I watched that live up an old girlfriend's house, sat up with her all night drinking cans. I was 17, I think! She had no interest in cricket
I always felt sorry for Graeme Hick, with his first class stats he could bat, but England selection during the 90s was shocking, he was always the first to be dropped, even if the scores didn't justify it.
Atherton calling him on 98 or 99 was particularly callous.
98. Atherton and the rest of the team were really annoyed at Hick fannying around whilst they needed time to bowl out the convicts.
I watched that live up an old girlfriend's house, sat up with her all night drinking cans. I was 17, I think! She had no interest in cricket
I knew the 2005 Ashes was something special when my then girlfriend texted me during the 2005 Old Trafford test to ask what an inside edge was, and why was it important in LBWs.
Up to that point she had no interest in cricket, no matter how hard I tried to get her in to the game.
I always felt sorry for Graeme Hick, with his first class stats he could bat, but England selection during the 90s was shocking, he was always the first to be dropped, even if the scores didn't justify it.
Atherton calling him on 98 or 99 was particularly callous.
98. Atherton and the rest of the team were really annoyed at Hick fannying around whilst they needed time to bowl out the convicts.
I watched that live up an old girlfriend's house, sat up with her all night drinking cans. I was 17, I think! She had no interest in cricket
I knew the 2005 Ashes was something special when my then girlfriend texted me during the 2005 Old Trafford what an inside edge was, and why was it important in LBWs.
Up to that point she had no interest in cricket, no matter how hard I tried to get her in to the game.
- 2005 Ashes was the best sporting event I've ever seen. The intensity on what seemed like every ball, it was just brilliant. And it ended perfectly for England fans when - after all those matches of pressure - from 3pm on the last afternoon the whole country was able to bask in KP cutting loose, knowing the Ashes were in the bag.
I watched that live up an old girlfriend's house, sat up with her all night drinking cans. I was 17, I think! She had no interest in cricket
Or in you, by the end of the night, I guess?
Ha! We were just schoolkids, but yeah, cricket and girls don't really mix. I saw her with her son on the cycle path the other day and we gave one another a big hug
Smith continues to make a game of it with almost no support. He really is a class act although you have to take the rough with the smooth, I suppose.
He's ranked second highest on the all time batting ratings.
1. The Don 961 2. Smith 947 3. Hutton 945 4. Ponting 942 5. Jack Hobbs 942
Ponting was the best I ever saw, between Ashes 2005 and summer of 2008. His batting, in all formats, was just unreal. He made back to back centuries in his 100th test (against SA) with his eyes closed. It was the way he did it too, batting under big pressure after the Proteas made a big first innings score. Won the game too, one of his 108 Test wins. Another unreal stat.
Are we thinking of the same Ponting?
(Why Gary Pratt will always be a great pub quiz question answer).
Smith continues to make a game of it with almost no support. He really is a class act although you have to take the rough with the smooth, I suppose.
He's ranked second highest on the all time batting ratings.
1. The Don 961 2. Smith 947 3. Hutton 945 4. Ponting 942 5. Jack Hobbs 942
Ponting was the best I ever saw, between Ashes 2005 and summer of 2008. His batting, in all formats, was just unreal. He made back to back centuries in his 100th test (against SA) with his eyes closed. It was the way he did it too, batting under big pressure after the Proteas made a big first innings score. Won the game too, one of his 108 Test wins. Another unreal stat.
None of the others on that list ever cheated.
Smith should be deducted 900 points for his crimes.
Smith continues to make a game of it with almost no support. He really is a class act although you have to take the rough with the smooth, I suppose.
He's ranked second highest on the all time batting ratings.
1. The Don 961 2. Smith 947 3. Hutton 945 4. Ponting 942 5. Jack Hobbs 942
Ponting was the best I ever saw, between Ashes 2005 and summer of 2008. His batting, in all formats, was just unreal. He made back to back centuries in his 100th test (against SA) with his eyes closed. It was the way he did it too, batting under big pressure after the Proteas made a big first innings score. Won the game too, one of his 108 Test wins. Another unreal stat.
None of the others on that list ever cheated.
Smith should be deducted 900 points for his crimes.
Overall, a very good rule is high turnout in the day is good for the blues, high turnout first thing before and straight after work is good for the yellows, and a queue at the polling station with fifteen minutes to go is great for the reds.
At the May local elections at 945pm, I managed to get one couple who'd forgotten the date and had gone to bed to come out and sprint down the road with me in their pyjamas. The returning officer was bemused and delighted by their enthusiasm.
Way back in the 60s when I first got involved, in Hornsey, we were depressed by the low turnout at 8 pm, but got the word out to the ex-Greek Cypriot community leaders. As if by magic, the streets filled with figures hurrying down the road to do their bit. As a teenage enthusiast I thought it was a magic moment.
We always waited for the dead Russian
I've never understood why it was called that - Serge is a French name; Sergei is Russian.
Smith continues to make a game of it with almost no support. He really is a class act although you have to take the rough with the smooth, I suppose.
He's ranked second highest on the all time batting ratings.
1. The Don 961 2. Smith 947 3. Hutton 945 4. Ponting 942 5. Jack Hobbs 942
Ponting was the best I ever saw, between Ashes 2005 and summer of 2008. His batting, in all formats, was just unreal. He made back to back centuries in his 100th test (against SA) with his eyes closed. It was the way he did it too, batting under big pressure after the Proteas made a big first innings score. Won the game too, one of his 108 Test wins. Another unreal stat.
Are we thinking of the same Ponting?
(Why Gary Pratt will always be a great pub quiz question answer).
Smith continues to make a game of it with almost no support. He really is a class act although you have to take the rough with the smooth, I suppose.
He's ranked second highest on the all time batting ratings.
1. The Don 961 2. Smith 947 3. Hutton 945 4. Ponting 942 5. Jack Hobbs 942
Ponting was the best I ever saw, between Ashes 2005 and summer of 2008. His batting, in all formats, was just unreal. He made back to back centuries in his 100th test (against SA) with his eyes closed. It was the way he did it too, batting under big pressure after the Proteas made a big first innings score. Won the game too, one of his 108 Test wins. Another unreal stat.
Are we thinking of the same Ponting?
(Why Gary Pratt will always be a great pub quiz question answer).
Smith continues to make a game of it with almost no support. He really is a class act although you have to take the rough with the smooth, I suppose.
He's ranked second highest on the all time batting ratings.
1. The Don 961 2. Smith 947 3. Hutton 945 4. Ponting 942 5. Jack Hobbs 942
Ponting was the best I ever saw, between Ashes 2005 and summer of 2008. His batting, in all formats, was just unreal. He made back to back centuries in his 100th test (against SA) with his eyes closed. It was the way he did it too, batting under big pressure after the Proteas made a big first innings score. Won the game too, one of his 108 Test wins. Another unreal stat.
Are we thinking of the same Ponting?
(Why Gary Pratt will always be a great pub quiz question answer).
YEP! I remember he looked superb with the bat that day. Really in good nick, then Marto ran him out. The famous sub fielded GARY PRATT!
It all could've been so different
Fun fact. That test match at Trent Bridge was the only one in which an Australian team featuring Shane Warne was forced to follow-on (and Vaughan enforced it without knowing the extent of the injury to Jones).
Those figures are wrong Labour is unchanged - Tories are up 8 % - Lib Dems have dropped 2% - Bxt Pty has dropped 3%. - Greens down 2%.
Ipsos MORI have made some methodological changes, so they aren't comparing to last month per se.
That would make nonsense of their last poll which had the Tories 2% ahead. They now seem to imply that actually Labour was 2% ahead! Are they now claiming that last month the LibDems were not - after all - on 22% but just 15%? Similarly the Brexit Party had not fallen to 12% but was still on 16%? If so, Ipsos Mori has credibility issues. Apparently they do not prompt for the Brexit Party - hence, its lower rating.
What they should have done is shown the figures for
New Methodology - July vs June Old Methodology - July vs June
They should then have indicated they would only be showing new methodology in future.
I have a horrible feeling concicts will get 200+ and england will have to bat for an hour this evening and we will be already talking about how england bat deep as root and stokes batting by the end of the day.
I have a horrible feeling concicts will get 200+ and england will have to bat for an hour this evening and we will be already talking about how england bat deep as root and stokes batting by the end of the day.
Quite. We need to get these two quickly after tea, else we’re looking at a nervous last hour.
Those figures are wrong Labour is unchanged - Tories are up 8 % - Lib Dems have dropped 2% - Bxt Pty has dropped 3%. - Greens down 2%.
Ipsos MORI have made some methodological changes, so they aren't comparing to last month per se.
That would make nonsense of their last poll which had the Tories 2% ahead. They now seem to imply that actually Labour was 2% ahead! Are they now claiming that last month the LibDems were not - after all - on 22% but just 15%? Similarly the Brexit Party had not fallen to 12% but was still on 16%? If so, Ipsos Mori has credibility issues. Apparently they do not prompt for the Brexit Party - hence, its lower rating.
What they should have done is shown the figures for
New Methodology - July vs June Old Methodology - July vs June
They should then have indicated they would only be showing new methodology in future.
The methodology changes can only have had a tiny effect at most (it was just whether to prompt for the Brexit Party or not, a decision YouGov have already implemented without calling it a "methodology change").
The reason BritainElects' figures look so different is that they have missed out the June poll altogether!
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rcs1000 said:
Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1156882370752057347
RCS said:
That shouldn't be an enormous surprise. The PMIs point to high risks of recessions in both the Eurozone and the UK.
In the US, the PMIs are the merest smidgen above 50. More worryingly, the yield curve has properly inverted. Out of the six recessions in the post WW2 era, this has only happened on seven occasions. On all but one of those, it was followed within six months by a recession.
What should scare policymakers in both Europe and the US is that monetary policy cannot easily be used to boost demand. Interest rates in the US are a mere 2%. In the UK they're are... ummm... 0.75%. The Eurozone is - what - 0.25%.
I said:
Too conventional in your thinking. Monetary policy has a larger tool kit these days. The ECB are already talking about going back to QE along with negative interest rates.
https://twitter.com/barneyronay/status/1156923037033390080
Steady.
https://www.cricket.com.au/news/australia-ashes-practice-warm-up-player-draft-hick-haddin-paine-head-cummins-smith/2019-07-21
Warne's not a fan
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/maybe-new-voice-would-help-warne-takes-aim-at-batting-coach-hick-20181118-p50gre.html
Edit. See that point has been made.
Aussie captain.
Very personable bloke.
Has never made a first class century.
Three years ago was playing league cricket in England and boarding in the local B&B.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/player/7252.html
Way back in the 60s when I first got involved, in Hornsey, we were depressed by the low turnout at 8 pm, but got the word out to the ex-Greek Cypriot community leaders. As if by magic, the streets filled with figures hurrying down the road to do their bit. As a teenage enthusiast I thought it was a magic moment.
Honestly, I will see them to 300 at this rate.
Hell of a return to fame after international wilderness.
Edit. Root thought better of it. Another shocker from the umpire.
Gambling advert ban takes effect from start of Ashes
No gambling adverts will be shown during live sport televised before 9pm watershed
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/aug/01/gambling-advert-ban-takes-effect-from-start-of-ashes
You'd be pissed off about this in club cricket.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/cricket-umpire-lbw-game-tg06rcv7s
Note, clicking on this link will destroy your productivity for the rest of the day.
One match was cancelled after the umpire (who were paid, rather than being Bob's bestmate's dad) made a series of terrible decisions, the bowler eventually lost it and pulled a stump out of the ground and went for him. The batsmen then got involved and then it was like one of those dug-out clearing dust ups you see in baseball.
15 year old Francis hid in the pavilion....
As soon as a batsman came in he was thinking about the pain ambrose would give him. Truly scary and unnerving
Meanwhile on the ground the LibDems are just moving from first knock up to second.
1. The Don 961
2. Smith 947
3. Hutton 945
4. Ponting 942
5. Jack Hobbs 942
Ponting was the best I ever saw, between Ashes 2005 and summer of 2008. His batting, in all formats, was just unreal. He made back to back centuries in his 100th test (against SA) with his eyes closed. It was the way he did it too, batting under big pressure after the Proteas made a big first innings score. Won the game too, one of his 108 Test wins. Another unreal stat.
(Late Surge for the unitiated)
https://www.icc-cricket.com/about/cricket/match-officials/umpire-appointments
Up to that point she had no interest in cricket, no matter how hard I tried to get her in to the game.
(Why Gary Pratt will always be a great pub quiz question answer).
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TxiSWKYjc20
Smith should be deducted 900 points for his crimes.
It all could've been so different
Although we did have a conversations about two maidens instead of one.
I think I tried to sell it as ensuring she had someone to talk to afterwards unfortunately she caught me on the pull.
Have a good afternoon.
New Methodology - July vs June
Old Methodology - July vs June
They should then have indicated they would only be showing new methodology in future.
https://twitter.com/alfonslopeztena/status/1156937926082736128?s=21
The reason BritainElects' figures look so different is that they have missed out the June poll altogether!
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1156719235088965632
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-49189955
As folks from Sheffield know well, when a dam goes it can be catastrophic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Sheffield_Flood