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It is. Turnout can never be 100 as there will always be duplicated entries, the dead etc on the list.rcs1000 said:
More than 70% of LD members voted. I think that's pretty high.JBriskinindyref2 said:Shit turnout though
First election after we got married my wife received two electoral polling cards. One in her maiden name and one in her married name. When we voted both names were on the list. Of course she voted once only if she had done so twice it would have been illegal but turnout officially in our house was 66% when 100% in reality had voted.
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70% shouldn't be high. We are talking about party activists here who pump leaflets though doors - come out and vote dawn to dusk.Alanbrooke said:
Jo Swinson was elected by the Russian botfarms- you heard it here firstIanB2 said:
Especially for an online only ballot.rcs1000 said:
More than 70% of LD members voted. I think that's pretty high.JBriskinindyref2 said:Shit turnout though
Now some will be senile and some will be dead. Some will be genuinely conflicted I suppose. Is there much of an issue with double membership or double counting of membership in the LDs ?
There certainly WAS in the Tory party but the new system must have cleaned most of that out.0 -
I'm sure mike's thread header , as well as switching pics a bit, started at 63 before dropping to 62Chris said:
The BBC reported it as 65%. Quite accurate for the BBC.JBriskinindyref2 said:Swinson 47900 63.1pc
Davey 28021 36.9pc
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And so what?Scott_P said:0 -
If he really is Hyufd under a false flag, he'll try rerouting the tankers via South Africa.noneoftheabove said:If Raab is made the new foreign secretary, how many months before he says "actually I have just realised, the Straights of Hormuz are a very important shipping lane?"
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Lib Dems claiming 200 new members during Jo Swinson's acceptance speech alone0
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Have you ever tried to maintain an email mailing list?A_View_From_Cumbria5 said:
70% shouldn't be high. We are talking about party activists here who pump leaflets though doors - come out and vote dawn to dusk.Alanbrooke said:
Jo Swinson was elected by the Russian botfarms- you heard it here firstIanB2 said:
Especially for an online only ballot.rcs1000 said:
More than 70% of LD members voted. I think that's pretty high.JBriskinindyref2 said:Shit turnout though
Now some will be senile and some will be dead. Some will be genuinely conflicted I suppose. Is there much of an issue with double membership or double counting of membership in the LDs ?
There certainly WAS in the Tory party but the new system must have cleaned most of that out.0 -
Yes, I could imagine it.Brom said:
It's fair criticism, I don't think those criticising the Tories for electing Boris should shut up just because they'll never vote Tory. Ultimately the Lib Dems aim should be to help form a government and can anyone imagine Swinson in a senior post doing a better job than Davey?stodge said:Afternoon all
As usual, one or two of the usual "the LDs have got it wrong, If only they'd chosen the other candidate" and other such piffle from those who wouldn't vote for the LDs in a million years.
I'm quite happy with Jo as leader even though I voted for Ed and I'm delighted by the turnout and voting numbers. Compared with 2007, more voted for Jo than for NIck Clegg and Chris Huhne combined.
Obviously, I'll tell all the Conservatives they got it wrong on Wednesday when Boris wins - actually, I won't need to as there'll be plenty of Conservatives who'll do that for me.
Mind you, I have a pretty fertile imagination.0 -
Those are not the numbers. While I was typing my earlier comment, the figures were not yet known. They only became known after I had posted my comment. We now know that the figure was 47,997 - but we only know that because the BBC subtitles eventually told us, not because Baroness Brinton told us. It was her job to declare the result, but she completely failed to do so because she did not even attempt to repeat the figures which had been drowned out by cheering.JBriskinindyref2 said:
I posted the numbers-JohnLoony said:
Nobody yet knows the numbers because (a) that stupid cow Sal Brinton didn't repeat the figures which were drowned out by the cheering, and (b) the stupid morons were cheering in the first place.surbiton19 said:Great ! What are the numbers then ?
All over the country, millions of ordinary normal decent anoraks and psephologists were listening to the declaration and writing down the numbers, but were sabotaged by a few dozen reckless haphazard ramshackle impertinent disrespectful disruptive booliaks who somehow thought that squawking like morons and drowning out the numbers in order to express their support for the winning candidate was somehow more important than finding out the actual numbers.JBriskinindyref2 said:Swinson 47900 63.1pc
Davey 28021 36.9pc
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Oh I see. The MV4 bit was a flippant comment on my part.williamglenn said:
I mean in order to get her deal passed. MV4 could have just her, Rory Stewart and Caroline Flint voting for it against the rest of the Commons.dixiedean said:
Would she? Surely if she cannot recommend another candidate who could command a majority, she would be obliged to continue in post? After all, we have to have a PM.williamglenn said:
She’d have to enter into negotiations with the leaders of the oppositions.dixiedean said:
Then she would be obliged to continue in post.crandles said:What happens if T May says something like: "Well Your Majesty, Boris has more chance of commanding a majority of the Commons than anyone else but I cannot guarantee that he can and am even inclined to think he probably cannot"?
She could appear outside Downing Street to solemnly proclaim,
"Nothing has Changed!"...oh, and have another look at my WDA.
I suppose it would then be up to Parliament to VONC her, if they were so minded.0 -
Just excavate a canal through Iraq and Syria to the Mediterranean. Much safer.ydoethur said:
If he really is Hyufd under a false flag, he'll try rerouting the tankers via South Africa.noneoftheabove said:If Raab is made the new foreign secretary, how many months before he says "actually I have just realised, the Straights of Hormuz are a very important shipping lane?"
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the timing of this looks sub-optimal for BoZo
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nobody believes the LD membership number, 46000 bot IDs infiltrated the system and all voted for Jo Swinson. The russians dont want Ed Davey as he is a member of the illimuniati.A_View_From_Cumbria5 said:
70% shouldn't be high. We are talking about party activists here who pump leaflets though doors - come out and vote dawn to dusk.Alanbrooke said:
Jo Swinson was elected by the Russian botfarms- you heard it here firstIanB2 said:
Especially for an online only ballot.rcs1000 said:
More than 70% of LD members voted. I think that's pretty high.JBriskinindyref2 said:Shit turnout though
Now some will be senile and some will be dead. Some will be genuinely conflicted I suppose. Is there much of an issue with double membership or double counting of membership in the LDs ?
There certainly WAS in the Tory party but the new system must have cleaned most of that out.
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Fair plays - as stated I was quoting Sky.JohnLoony said:
Those are not the numbers. While I was typing my earlier comment, the figures were not yet known. They only became known after I had posted my comment. We now know that the figure was 47,997 - but we only know that because the BBC subtitles eventually told us, not because Baroness Brinton told us. It was her job to declare the result, but she completely failed to do so because she did not even attempt to repeat the figures which had been drowned out by cheering.JBriskinindyref2 said:
I posted the numbers-JohnLoony said:
Nobody yet knows the numbers because (a) that stupid cow Sal Brinton didn't repeat the figures which were drowned out by the cheering, and (b) the stupid morons were cheering in the first place.surbiton19 said:Great ! What are the numbers then ?
All over the country, millions of ordinary normal decent anoraks and psephologists were listening to the declaration and writing down the numbers, but were sabotaged by a few dozen reckless haphazard ramshackle impertinent disrespectful disruptive booliaks who somehow thought that squawking like morons and drowning out the numbers in order to express their support for the winning candidate was somehow more important than finding out the actual numbers.JBriskinindyref2 said:Swinson 47900 63.1pc
Davey 28021 36.9pc
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When is Theresa May on?0
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When her £400 hair do will become the story....Richard_Nabavi said:
If you have any influence, can you suggest she gets a better hairdresser?Barnesian said:
She'll have voice training. There's plenty of upside to her current performance. That's why I voted for her.Brom said:Lib Dems have really fucked up there. Too shrill and will lose her seat. Davey had top table experience and was the stronger candidate IMO.
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This is a good point and we need to sort this electoral registration mess out. I have tried to do a bit of work estimating how many on the electoral roll are double entries. It must be in the order of 2 or 3 % even where there has been a good canvas by the LA. Then there are the dead which must be something like electorate* days age of roll / (365*(85-18))Philip_Thompson said:
It is. Turnout can never be 100 as there will always be duplicated entries, the dead etc on the list.rcs1000 said:
More than 70% of LD members voted. I think that's pretty high.JBriskinindyref2 said:Shit turnout though
First election after we got married my wife received two electoral polling cards. One in her maiden name and one in her married name. When we voted both names were on the list. Of course she voted once only if she had done so twice it would have been illegal but turnout officially in our house was 66% when 100% in reality had voted.0 -
Those bloody Europeans, protecting our ships...0
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63% is correct, isn't it?JBriskinindyref2 said:
I'm sure mike's thread header , as well as switching pics a bit, started at 63 before dropping to 62Chris said:
The BBC reported it as 65%. Quite accurate for the BBC.JBriskinindyref2 said:Swinson 47900 63.1pc
Davey 28021 36.9pc
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Hunt doing himself out of a job here with support for Duncan. Wise? Realised he is out anyway?0
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"A European-led maritime protection force????"
So, we are implacably opposed, under any circumstances, to an EU army.
Whilst organising an EU Navy?
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I'm probably wrong with the last bit - I think they do take the dead off the roll now when they are informedA_View_From_Cumbria5 said:
This is a good point and we need to sort this electoral registration mess out. I have tried to do a bit of work estimating how many on the electoral roll are double entries. It must be in the order of 2 or 3 % even where there has been a good canvas by the LA. Then there are the dead which must be something like electorate* days age of roll / (365*(85-18))Philip_Thompson said:
It is. Turnout can never be 100 as there will always be duplicated entries, the dead etc on the list.rcs1000 said:
More than 70% of LD members voted. I think that's pretty high.JBriskinindyref2 said:Shit turnout though
First election after we got married my wife received two electoral polling cards. One in her maiden name and one in her married name. When we voted both names were on the list. Of course she voted once only if she had done so twice it would have been illegal but turnout officially in our house was 66% when 100% in reality had voted.0 -
I don't have a clue - JLooney says Beeb quoting different figures so I guess we'll just have to await an official statement from the Lib DemsChris said:
63% is correct, isn't it?JBriskinindyref2 said:
I'm sure mike's thread header , as well as switching pics a bit, started at 63 before dropping to 62Chris said:
The BBC reported it as 65%. Quite accurate for the BBC.JBriskinindyref2 said:Swinson 47900 63.1pc
Davey 28021 36.9pc
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She may yet prove to be.....MikeSmithson said:After 31 year of being a member I have at last voted for s winner in a leadership election. All my previous voted have been for losers
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I did read down the thread. The result is not anywhere in the thread earlier than my comment. My point is that Sal Brinton did not tell us the numbers. What is your point?IanB2 said:
You could always try reading down the thread?JohnLoony said:
Nobody yet knows the numbers because (a) that stupid cow Sal Brinton didn't repeat the figures which were drowned out by the cheering, and (b) the stupid morons were cheering in the first place.surbiton19 said:Great ! What are the numbers then ?
All over the country, millions of ordinary normal decent anoraks and psephologists were listening to the declaration and writing down the numbers, but were sabotaged by a few dozen reckless haphazard ramshackle impertinent disrespectful disruptive booliaks who somehow thought that squawking like morons and drowning out the numbers in order to express their support for the winning candidate was somehow more important than finding out the actual numbers.
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Oh. I was going by Lib Dem News quoting Britain Elects. It does seem a bit shambolic.JohnLoony said:
Those are not the numbers. While I was typing my earlier comment, the figures were not yet known. They only became known after I had posted my comment. We now know that the figure was 47,997 - but we only know that because the BBC subtitles eventually told us, not because Baroness Brinton told us. It was her job to declare the result, but she completely failed to do so because she did not even attempt to repeat the figures which had been drowned out by cheering.JBriskinindyref2 said:
I posted the numbers-JohnLoony said:
Nobody yet knows the numbers because (a) that stupid cow Sal Brinton didn't repeat the figures which were drowned out by the cheering, and (b) the stupid morons were cheering in the first place.surbiton19 said:Great ! What are the numbers then ?
All over the country, millions of ordinary normal decent anoraks and psephologists were listening to the declaration and writing down the numbers, but were sabotaged by a few dozen reckless haphazard ramshackle impertinent disrespectful disruptive booliaks who somehow thought that squawking like morons and drowning out the numbers in order to express their support for the winning candidate was somehow more important than finding out the actual numbers.JBriskinindyref2 said:Swinson 47900 63.1pc
Davey 28021 36.9pc
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Not a fan but maybe he can spell 'straits' correctly unlike some.noneoftheabove said:If Raab is made the new foreign secretary, how many months before he says "actually I have just realised, the Straights of Hormuz are a very important shipping lane?"
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She can get a perfectly good one for very very much less than that.MarqueeMark said:
When her £400 hair do will become the story....Richard_Nabavi said:
If you have any influence, can you suggest she gets a better hairdresser?Barnesian said:
She'll have voice training. There's plenty of upside to her current performance. That's why I voted for her.Brom said:Lib Dems have really fucked up there. Too shrill and will lose her seat. Davey had top table experience and was the stronger candidate IMO.
I marginally preferred Ed but either are fine.
Currently the Lib Dems are, in England anyway, the only party that is not batshit insane.0 -
Scottish accent my arse, she has spent her entire life in Bath and the carpetbagger visits Scotland once in a blue moon.JBriskinindyref2 said:Swinson! a bit of a thrashing (she clearly got the vagina vote)(First women liberal/sdp leader!)
I think her soft Scottish accent should play well. It did no favours to Gordon Brown; but I don't really think she's in contendership to be next PM so should be fine.
Good Luck LDs! I agree with most of your policies except your central one.0 -
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Sensible my arse, a lying toerag.surbiton19 said:She would not harm Lib Dem chances unless she says or does something terrible. But she is the sensible type - so should be alright. It was a big victory nonetheless.
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Well, it's a nice accent - had convinced me anyway.malcolmg said:
Scottish accent my arse, she has spent her entire life in Bath and the carpetbagger visits Scotland once in a blue moon.JBriskinindyref2 said:Swinson! a bit of a thrashing (she clearly got the vagina vote)(First women liberal/sdp leader!)
I think her soft Scottish accent should play well. It did no favours to Gordon Brown; but I don't really think she's in contendership to be next PM so should be fine.
Good Luck LDs! I agree with most of your policies except your central one.0 -
she has spent her entire life in Bath and the carpetbagger visits Scotland once in a blue moonmalcolmg said:
Scottish accent my arse, she has spent her entire life in Bath and the carpetbagger visits Scotland once in a blue moon.JBriskinindyref2 said:Swinson! a bit of a thrashing (she clearly got the vagina vote)(First women liberal/sdp leader!)
I think her soft Scottish accent should play well. It did no favours to Gordon Brown; but I don't really think she's in contendership to be next PM so should be fine.
Good Luck LDs! I agree with most of your policies except your central one.
have you got the right one malc ? Youre getting mixed up up with Rev Stuart campbell.
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Hard to get any worse, she is a donkey par excellenceBarnesian said:
She'll have voice training. There's plenty of upside to her current performance. That's why I voted for her.Brom said:Lib Dems have really fucked up there. Too shrill and will lose her seat. Davey had top table experience and was the stronger candidate IMO.
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felix said:
Not a fan but maybe he can spell 'straits' correctly unlike some.noneoftheabove said:If Raab is made the new foreign secretary, how many months before he says "actually I have just realised, the Straights of Hormuz are a very important shipping lane?"
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Mr Looney why don't you give us your figures since you seem to be the man in the know from the beeb side of thingsJohnLoony said:
I did read down the thread. The result is not anywhere in the thread earlier than my comment. My point is that Sal Brinton did not tell us the numbers. What is your point?IanB2 said:
You could always try reading down the thread?JohnLoony said:
Nobody yet knows the numbers because (a) that stupid cow Sal Brinton didn't repeat the figures which were drowned out by the cheering, and (b) the stupid morons were cheering in the first place.surbiton19 said:Great ! What are the numbers then ?
All over the country, millions of ordinary normal decent anoraks and psephologists were listening to the declaration and writing down the numbers, but were sabotaged by a few dozen reckless haphazard ramshackle impertinent disrespectful disruptive booliaks who somehow thought that squawking like morons and drowning out the numbers in order to express their support for the winning candidate was somehow more important than finding out the actual numbers.0 -
Thatcher had voice coaching. Always good for the PB virgins to get their knickers in a twist.rpjs said:
No. It's code for "it's not done to admit I'm a misogynist". See also "urban".dixiedean said:
I don't find her "shrill". Give her a chance at least.Brom said:Lib Dems have really fucked up there. Too shrill and will lose her seat. Davey had top table experience and was the stronger candidate IMO.
Incidentally, are men ever shrill?0 -
The latest news on the Lib Dem website is that someone called Chuka Umunna has joined the party ...JBriskinindyref2 said:
I don't have a clue - JLooney says Beeb quoting different figures so I guess we'll just have to await an official statement from the Lib DemsChris said:
63% is correct, isn't it?JBriskinindyref2 said:
I'm sure mike's thread header , as well as switching pics a bit, started at 63 before dropping to 62Chris said:
The BBC reported it as 65%. Quite accurate for the BBC.JBriskinindyref2 said:Swinson 47900 63.1pc
Davey 28021 36.9pc
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Then you have the legitimate double entries - students, people with multiple homes - until recently you could add holiday home owners and landlords. Then there are those who have moved house and asked to be registered at the new address (as you would when an election looms) who are still on the register at the old address. People left on the register because no-one new has appeared at their vacated property. And people who should never been added to the list in the first place - in my lifetime of local election campaigning I have encountered all manner of mistakes: people double registered because one year they use their double-barrelled surname and another year their single, citizens of all manner of countries who just filled in the form, people who have registered all of their children; once I came across a register entry that turned out to be a dog.A_View_From_Cumbria5 said:
This is a good point and we need to sort this electoral registration mess out. I have tried to do a bit of work estimating how many on the electoral roll are double entries. It must be in the order of 2 or 3 % even where there has been a good canvas by the LA. Then there are the dead which must be something like electorate* days age of roll / (365*(85-18))Philip_Thompson said:
It is. Turnout can never be 100 as there will always be duplicated entries, the dead etc on the list.rcs1000 said:
More than 70% of LD members voted. I think that's pretty high.JBriskinindyref2 said:Shit turnout though
First election after we got married my wife received two electoral polling cards. One in her maiden name and one in her married name. When we voted both names were on the list. Of course she voted once only if she had done so twice it would have been illegal but turnout officially in our house was 66% when 100% in reality had voted.0 -
Did you get his support?IanB2 said:..once I came across a register entry that turned out to be a dog.
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72% is the same as the highest previous LD elections. I suspect there'll be a similar level of turnout in the Conservative leadership contest tomorrow. (My spread is 67-77 if anyone wants a flutter)A_View_From_Cumbria5 said:
70% shouldn't be high. We are talking about party activists here who pump leaflets though doors - come out and vote dawn to dusk.Alanbrooke said:
Jo Swinson was elected by the Russian botfarms- you heard it here firstIanB2 said:
Especially for an online only ballot.rcs1000 said:
More than 70% of LD members voted. I think that's pretty high.JBriskinindyref2 said:Shit turnout though
Now some will be senile and some will be dead. Some will be genuinely conflicted I suppose. Is there much of an issue with double membership or double counting of membership in the LDs ?
There certainly WAS in the Tory party but the new system must have cleaned most of that out.0 -
Woof sounded like a probable to me.Richard_Nabavi said:
Did you get his support?IanB2 said:..once I came across a register entry that turned out to be a dog.
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It speaks well of him that he stands by his team, unlike his rival.noneoftheabove said:Hunt doing himself out of a job here with support for Duncan. Wise? Realised he is out anyway?
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Look how far the phrase 'perfectly good' has sunk. From Kennedy and Clegg to this...malcolmg said:
Lovestruck teenage crushnico67 said:God some of the criticisms of Jo Swinson are really a bit much .
I like Ed Davey , he used to be my MP many moons ago but Jo is perfectly good as the next leader .0 -
I checked their twitter - nowt there RE: figuresChris said:
The latest news on the Lib Dem website is that someone called Chuka Umunna has joined the party ...JBriskinindyref2 said:
I don't have a clue - JLooney says Beeb quoting different figures so I guess we'll just have to await an official statement from the Lib DemsChris said:
63% is correct, isn't it?JBriskinindyref2 said:
I'm sure mike's thread header , as well as switching pics a bit, started at 63 before dropping to 62Chris said:
The BBC reported it as 65%. Quite accurate for the BBC.JBriskinindyref2 said:Swinson 47900 63.1pc
Davey 28021 36.9pc
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Would be amusing if some of the 28% of East Dunbartonshire voters who backed brexit held their noses and voted SNP to decapitate the most overtly remain UK wide party. Pure fantasy of course but would be interesting!0
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I refer the honourable member to the 47,997 which I mentioned earlier, as well as the 28,021 which we already knew about.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Mr Looney why don't you give us your figures since you seem to be the man in the know from the beeb side of thingsJohnLoony said:
I did read down the thread. The result is not anywhere in the thread earlier than my comment. My point is that Sal Brinton did not tell us the numbers. What is your point?IanB2 said:
You could always try reading down the thread?JohnLoony said:
Nobody yet knows the numbers because (a) that stupid cow Sal Brinton didn't repeat the figures which were drowned out by the cheering, and (b) the stupid morons were cheering in the first place.surbiton19 said:Great ! What are the numbers then ?
All over the country, millions of ordinary normal decent anoraks and psephologists were listening to the declaration and writing down the numbers, but were sabotaged by a few dozen reckless haphazard ramshackle impertinent disrespectful disruptive booliaks who somehow thought that squawking like morons and drowning out the numbers in order to express their support for the winning candidate was somehow more important than finding out the actual numbers.
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Indeed, the more Tory Mps who fail to suck up to their new master the better. I am far from convinced he will be able to staff the payroll positions in full.Cyclefree said:
It speaks well of him that he stands by his team, unlike his rival.noneoftheabove said:Hunt doing himself out of a job here with support for Duncan. Wise? Realised he is out anyway?
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Congratulations to Jo Swinson and while I do not know anything about her I do wish her well
Boris is about to enter no 10, and it fills me with great concern, but the actions of Duncan today were uncalled for and pathetic. The time for vonc will be Sept/Oct when matters may well be clearer
And where is Tom Watson today on the conviction of Carl Beech.
His actions played a huge part in condemning innocent men and he did it for political motives.
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They're a party that calls themselves Democrats who at "bollocks" to what the public democratically voted for. That's batshit insane.Cyclefree said:
She can get a perfectly good one for very very much less than that.MarqueeMark said:
When her £400 hair do will become the story....Richard_Nabavi said:
If you have any influence, can you suggest she gets a better hairdresser?Barnesian said:
She'll have voice training. There's plenty of upside to her current performance. That's why I voted for her.Brom said:Lib Dems have really fucked up there. Too shrill and will lose her seat. Davey had top table experience and was the stronger candidate IMO.
I marginally preferred Ed but either are fine.
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Wow reading through some of the comments about the new Lib Dem leader it looks as if she has already ruffled feathers and produced serious anxiety into the SNP and right wing of the Blue ranks.
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Some of them will have been SNP supporters already.Ploppikins said:Would be amusing if some of the 28% of East Dunbartonshire voters who backed brexit held their noses and voted SNP to decapitate the most overtly remain UK wide party. Pure fantasy of course but would be interesting!
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I am certain she is and will continue to beMarqueeMark said:
She may yet prove to be.....MikeSmithson said:After 31 year of being a member I have at last voted for s winner in a leadership election. All my previous voted have been for losers
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She started off with an extremely shrill voice and ended up so low-pitch that on Spitting Image they used a man's voice to imitate hers:Brom said:
Thatcher had voice coaching. Always good for the PB virgins to get their knickers in a twist.rpjs said:
No. It's code for "it's not done to admit I'm a misogynist". See also "urban".dixiedean said:
I don't find her "shrill". Give her a chance at least.Brom said:Lib Dems have really fucked up there. Too shrill and will lose her seat. Davey had top table experience and was the stronger candidate IMO.
Incidentally, are men ever shrill?
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Technically they are more conservative (i.e. keeping things as they were) than the conservative partyPhilip_Thompson said:
They're a party that calls themselves Democrats who at "bollocks" to what the public democratically voted for. That's batshit insane.Cyclefree said:
She can get a perfectly good one for very very much less than that.MarqueeMark said:
When her £400 hair do will become the story....Richard_Nabavi said:
If you have any influence, can you suggest she gets a better hairdresser?Barnesian said:
She'll have voice training. There's plenty of upside to her current performance. That's why I voted for her.Brom said:Lib Dems have really fucked up there. Too shrill and will lose her seat. Davey had top table experience and was the stronger candidate IMO.
I marginally preferred Ed but either are fine.
Currently the Lib Dems are, in England anyway, the only party that is not batshit insane.0 -
You're a bit of a lazy bastard aren't you.JohnLoony said:
I refer the honourable member to the 47,997 which I mentioned earlier, as well as the 28,021 which we already knew about.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Mr Looney why don't you give us your figures since you seem to be the man in the know from the beeb side of thingsJohnLoony said:
I did read down the thread. The result is not anywhere in the thread earlier than my comment. My point is that Sal Brinton did not tell us the numbers. What is your point?IanB2 said:
You could always try reading down the thread?JohnLoony said:
Nobody yet knows the numbers because (a) that stupid cow Sal Brinton didn't repeat the figures which were drowned out by the cheering, and (b) the stupid morons were cheering in the first place.surbiton19 said:Great ! What are the numbers then ?
All over the country, millions of ordinary normal decent anoraks and psephologists were listening to the declaration and writing down the numbers, but were sabotaged by a few dozen reckless haphazard ramshackle impertinent disrespectful disruptive booliaks who somehow thought that squawking like morons and drowning out the numbers in order to express their support for the winning candidate was somehow more important than finding out the actual numbers.
drumroll - The Official Lib Dem Leadership result-
Swinson 47997 (63.1 pc)
Davey 28021 (36.9 pc)0 -
LOL, Allan he only moved there as an adult and is able to give real facts , she has been there since just after birth and is a stranger to the truth.Alanbrooke said:
she has spent her entire life in Bath and the carpetbagger visits Scotland once in a blue moonmalcolmg said:
Scottish accent my arse, she has spent her entire life in Bath and the carpetbagger visits Scotland once in a blue moon.JBriskinindyref2 said:Swinson! a bit of a thrashing (she clearly got the vagina vote)(First women liberal/sdp leader!)
I think her soft Scottish accent should play well. It did no favours to Gordon Brown; but I don't really think she's in contendership to be next PM so should be fine.
Good Luck LDs! I agree with most of your policies except your central one.
have you got the right one malc ? Youre getting mixed up up with Rev Stuart campbell.0 -
Surely the time for action is now when we could have a general election and still have enough time to implement the end result if it was a No Deal Tory party win...Big_G_NorthWales said:Congratulations to Jo Swinson and while I do not know anything about her I do wish her well
Boris is about to enter no 10, and it fills me with great concern, but the actions of Duncan today were uncalled for and pathetic. The time for vonc will be Sept/Oct when matters may well be clearer
And where is Tom Watson today on the conviction of Carl Beech.
His actions played a huge part in condemning innocent men and he did it for political motives.
Shameful
If you wait to September exactly how do you hold a VoNC that doesn't result in an accidental No Deal screw up...0 -
A couple more Duncans would be doing the nation a great favour.eek said:
Surely the time for action is now when we could have a general election and still have enough time to implement the end result if it was a No Deal Tory party win...Big_G_NorthWales said:Congratulations to Jo Swinson and while I do not know anything about her I do wish her well
Boris is about to enter no 10, and it fills me with great concern, but the actions of Duncan today were uncalled for and pathetic. The time for vonc will be Sept/Oct when matters may well be clearer
And where is Tom Watson today on the conviction of Carl Beech.
His actions played a huge part in condemning innocent men and he did it for political motives.
Shameful
If you wait to September exactly how do you hold a VoNC that doesn't result in an accidental No Deal screw up...0 -
she is squeaky , annoying and a blatant liar Briskin. You are easily pleased.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Well, it's a nice accent - had convinced me anyway.malcolmg said:
Scottish accent my arse, she has spent her entire life in Bath and the carpetbagger visits Scotland once in a blue moon.JBriskinindyref2 said:Swinson! a bit of a thrashing (she clearly got the vagina vote)(First women liberal/sdp leader!)
I think her soft Scottish accent should play well. It did no favours to Gordon Brown; but I don't really think she's in contendership to be next PM so should be fine.
Good Luck LDs! I agree with most of your policies except your central one.0 -
Yes she was a bit squeaky today, I'll give you that.malcolmg said:
she is squeaky , annoying and a blatant liar Briskin. You are easily pleased.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Well, it's a nice accent - had convinced me anyway.malcolmg said:
Scottish accent my arse, she has spent her entire life in Bath and the carpetbagger visits Scotland once in a blue moon.JBriskinindyref2 said:Swinson! a bit of a thrashing (she clearly got the vagina vote)(First women liberal/sdp leader!)
I think her soft Scottish accent should play well. It did no favours to Gordon Brown; but I don't really think she's in contendership to be next PM so should be fine.
Good Luck LDs! I agree with most of your policies except your central one.0 -
I do not see it that wayeek said:
Surely the time for action is now when we could have a general election and still have enough time to implement the end result if it was a No Deal Tory party win...Big_G_NorthWales said:Congratulations to Jo Swinson and while I do not know anything about her I do wish her well
Boris is about to enter no 10, and it fills me with great concern, but the actions of Duncan today were uncalled for and pathetic. The time for vonc will be Sept/Oct when matters may well be clearer
And where is Tom Watson today on the conviction of Carl Beech.
His actions played a huge part in condemning innocent men and he did it for political motives.
Shameful
If you wait to September exactly how do you hold a VoNC that doesn't result in an accidental No Deal screw up...
I do not support Boris but he has to be given a chance to get a deal with the EU no matter how unlikely that is1 -
She went to school in Milngavie ?malcolmg said:
LOL, Allan he only moved there as an adult and is able to give real facts , she has been there since just after birth and is a stranger to the truth.Alanbrooke said:
she has spent her entire life in Bath and the carpetbagger visits Scotland once in a blue moonmalcolmg said:
Scottish accent my arse, she has spent her entire life in Bath and the carpetbagger visits Scotland once in a blue moon.JBriskinindyref2 said:Swinson! a bit of a thrashing (she clearly got the vagina vote)(First women liberal/sdp leader!)
I think her soft Scottish accent should play well. It did no favours to Gordon Brown; but I don't really think she's in contendership to be next PM so should be fine.
Good Luck LDs! I agree with most of your policies except your central one.
have you got the right one malc ? Youre getting mixed up up with Rev Stuart campbell.0 -
Two party leaders in constituencies with small majorities? Both targets by different parties. Labour on Johnson, and the SNP on Swinson. Very small swings and they're gone. Could the Tories and the LibDems persuade MP's in safe seats to stand down before the Commons and electorate notice or would new leaders have to be in place, even on a temporary basis. With the next GE almost certainly in October, this is looking like good betting opportunities.0
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Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell both backed a bid to rename Holocaust Memorial Day "Genocide Memorial Day" - something the educational pamphlet they have just issued on anti-Jewish racism warns is "profoundly antisemitic".
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/corbyn-and-mcdonnell-holocaust-memorial-day-labour-pamphlet-call-minimising-shoah-antisemitic-1.4867221 -
“Shrill” is definitely an emotionally weighted description, which is hardly suggestive of a committed feminist...rpjs said:
No. It's code for "it's not done to admit I'm a misogynist". See also "urban".dixiedean said:
I don't find her "shrill". Give her a chance at least.Brom said:Lib Dems have really fucked up there. Too shrill and will lose her seat. Davey had top table experience and was the stronger candidate IMO.
Incidentally, are men ever shrill?
Having said that, there is very good empirical evidence of the effects of vocal pitch:
https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20180612-the-reasons-why-womens-voices-are-deeper-today
If I were advising Swinson (autocorrect has yet to learn about her, which is irritating), it’s something I’d recommend working on, subtly. Also avoiding sounding like the older Thatcher...0 -
So Boris doesn't get a deal (very likely since the EU can't really make decisions until November 1st when the new leadership officially takes over). How do you avoid No Deal destroying the Tory party and the union....Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not see it that wayeek said:
Surely the time for action is now when we could have a general election and still have enough time to implement the end result if it was a No Deal Tory party win...Big_G_NorthWales said:Congratulations to Jo Swinson and while I do not know anything about her I do wish her well
Boris is about to enter no 10, and it fills me with great concern, but the actions of Duncan today were uncalled for and pathetic. The time for vonc will be Sept/Oct when matters may well be clearer
And where is Tom Watson today on the conviction of Carl Beech.
His actions played a huge part in condemning innocent men and he did it for political motives.
Shameful
If you wait to September exactly how do you hold a VoNC that doesn't result in an accidental No Deal screw up...
I do not support Boris but he has to be given a chance to get a deal with the EU no matter how unlikely that is0 -
Stranger to the truth? Given she was educated at Douglas Academy, of Milngavie, East Dunbartonshire rather than Bath, Somerset (as any cursory check of her biography will tell you) and only moved to England to go to the LSE when she was 18, I think you need to look in the mirror for a stranger to the truth. Stuart Campbell has been there far longer than she has.malcolmg said:
LOL, Allan he only moved there as an adult and is able to give real facts , she has been there since just after birth and is a stranger to the truth.Alanbrooke said:
she has spent her entire life in Bath and the carpetbagger visits Scotland once in a blue moonmalcolmg said:
Scottish accent my arse, she has spent her entire life in Bath and the carpetbagger visits Scotland once in a blue moon.JBriskinindyref2 said:Swinson! a bit of a thrashing (she clearly got the vagina vote)(First women liberal/sdp leader!)
I think her soft Scottish accent should play well. It did no favours to Gordon Brown; but I don't really think she's in contendership to be next PM so should be fine.
Good Luck LDs! I agree with most of your policies except your central one.
have you got the right one malc ? Youre getting mixed up up with Rev Stuart campbell.0 -
Didn't osborne famously get voice coaching to stop sounding shrill?0
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There is something of Vicky Pollard about her intonation so that might explain it.malcolmg said:
Scottish accent my arse, she has spent her entire life in Bath and the carpetbagger visits Scotland once in a blue moon.JBriskinindyref2 said:Swinson! a bit of a thrashing (she clearly got the vagina vote)(First women liberal/sdp leader!)
I think her soft Scottish accent should play well. It did no favours to Gordon Brown; but I don't really think she's in contendership to be next PM so should be fine.
Good Luck LDs! I agree with most of your policies except your central one.0 -
A couple of Duncans using birth control around 63 years ago would have done the nation a bigger favour. He's an odious little creep.IanB2 said:
A couple more Duncans would be doing the nation a great favour.eek said:
Surely the time for action is now when we could have a general election and still have enough time to implement the end result if it was a No Deal Tory party win...Big_G_NorthWales said:Congratulations to Jo Swinson and while I do not know anything about her I do wish her well
Boris is about to enter no 10, and it fills me with great concern, but the actions of Duncan today were uncalled for and pathetic. The time for vonc will be Sept/Oct when matters may well be clearer
And where is Tom Watson today on the conviction of Carl Beech.
His actions played a huge part in condemning innocent men and he did it for political motives.
Shameful
If you wait to September exactly how do you hold a VoNC that doesn't result in an accidental No Deal screw up...0 -
Ohh LSE - she could be our first Hacker!DougSeal said:
Stranger to the truth? Given she was educated at Douglas Academy, of Milngavie, East Dunbartonshire rather than Bath, Somerset (as any cursory check of her biography will tell you) and only moved to England to go to the LSE when she was 18, I think you need to look in the mirror for a stranger to the truth. Stuart Campbell has been there far longer than she has.malcolmg said:
LOL, Allan he only moved there as an adult and is able to give real facts , she has been there since just after birth and is a stranger to the truth.Alanbrooke said:
she has spent her entire life in Bath and the carpetbagger visits Scotland once in a blue moonmalcolmg said:
Scottish accent my arse, she has spent her entire life in Bath and the carpetbagger visits Scotland once in a blue moon.JBriskinindyref2 said:Swinson! a bit of a thrashing (she clearly got the vagina vote)(First women liberal/sdp leader!)
I think her soft Scottish accent should play well. It did no favours to Gordon Brown; but I don't really think she's in contendership to be next PM so should be fine.
Good Luck LDs! I agree with most of your policies except your central one.
have you got the right one malc ? Youre getting mixed up up with Rev Stuart campbell.0 -
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She has still spent most of her life in Bath, what is a few years out. She is a fanny of the first order in any case, hopefully her arse will be out in next election. That would be a laugh.DougSeal said:
Stranger to the truth? Given she was educated at Douglas Academy, of Milngavie, East Dunbartonshire rather than Bath, Somerset (as any cursory check of her biography will tell you) and only moved to England to go to the LSE when she was 18, I think you need to look in the mirror for a stranger to the truth. Stuart Campbell has been there far longer than she has.malcolmg said:
LOL, Allan he only moved there as an adult and is able to give real facts , she has been there since just after birth and is a stranger to the truth.Alanbrooke said:
she has spent her entire life in Bath and the carpetbagger visits Scotland once in a blue moonmalcolmg said:
Scottish accent my arse, she has spent her entire life in Bath and the carpetbagger visits Scotland once in a blue moon.JBriskinindyref2 said:Swinson! a bit of a thrashing (she clearly got the vagina vote)(First women liberal/sdp leader!)
I think her soft Scottish accent should play well. It did no favours to Gordon Brown; but I don't really think she's in contendership to be next PM so should be fine.
Good Luck LDs! I agree with most of your policies except your central one.
have you got the right one malc ? Youre getting mixed up up with Rev Stuart campbell.0 -
Gosh. Lucky no other party’s outriders would jump on criticism like that
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1153341646530121728?s=200 -
Scottish accent my arse, she has spent her entire life in Bath and the carpetbagger visits Scotland once in a blue moon.malcolmg said:Swinson! a bit of a thrashing (she clearly got the vagina vote)(First women liberal/sdp leader!)
I think her soft Scottish accent should play well. It did no favours to Gordon Brown; but I don't really think she's in contendership to be next PM so should be fine.
Good Luck LDs! I agree with most of your policies except your central one.
Jesus you are something else Malcy... The true face of open-hearted civic nationalism, and you know what- this drunken uncle stuff bores the arse of more and more folk, even in Scotland. So feel free to let rip with graceless, charmless shite and watch the SNP fade into hurrumphing despair as they fall to bits.1 -
Tory gitPulpstar said:
She went to school in Milngavie ?malcolmg said:
LOL, Allan he only moved there as an adult and is able to give real facts , she has been there since just after birth and is a stranger to the truth.Alanbrooke said:
she has spent her entire life in Bath and the carpetbagger visits Scotland once in a blue moonmalcolmg said:
Scottish accent my arse, she has spent her entire life in Bath and the carpetbagger visits Scotland once in a blue moon.JBriskinindyref2 said:Swinson! a bit of a thrashing (she clearly got the vagina vote)(First women liberal/sdp leader!)
I think her soft Scottish accent should play well. It did no favours to Gordon Brown; but I don't really think she's in contendership to be next PM so should be fine.
Good Luck LDs! I agree with most of your policies except your central one.
have you got the right one malc ? Youre getting mixed up up with Rev Stuart campbell.
PS: Her not you0 -
The LD poll rating is somewhere between double and treble that of the last GE. And the Tories have just chosen a leader toxic in Scotland. She’ll be safe. Even without the usual leader premium; people like being represented by someone prominent.Marx said:Two party leaders in constituencies with small majorities? Both targets by different parties. Labour on Johnson, and the SNP on Swinson. Very small swings and they're gone. Could the Tories and the LibDems persuade MP's in safe seats to stand down before the Commons and electorate notice or would new leaders have to be in place, even on a temporary basis. With the next GE almost certainly in October, this is looking like good betting opportunities.
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So, Jo Swinson is actually Scottish it's just that if you've ever been to Bath then you're no longer considered Scottish in Malky's eyes.0
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Your posts when you are not rolling with laughter must be something to behold.malcolmg said:
Tory gitPulpstar said:
She went to school in Milngavie ?malcolmg said:
LOL, Allan he only moved there as an adult and is able to give real facts , she has been there since just after birth and is a stranger to the truth.Alanbrooke said:
she has spent her entire life in Bath and the carpetbagger visits Scotland once in a blue moonmalcolmg said:
Scottish accent my arse, she has spent her entire life in Bath and the carpetbagger visits Scotland once in a blue moon.JBriskinindyref2 said:Swinson! a bit of a thrashing (she clearly got the vagina vote)(First women liberal/sdp leader!)
I think her soft Scottish accent should play well. It did no favours to Gordon Brown; but I don't really think she's in contendership to be next PM so should be fine.
Good Luck LDs! I agree with most of your policies except your central one.
have you got the right one malc ? Youre getting mixed up up with Rev Stuart campbell.
PS: Her not you0 -
It'd certainly be wonderful if 70% of Lib Dem members were activists pumping leaflets through doors. In my local party I'd say that fewer than 10% of our members could be called activists if leafleting and campaigning are the measuring stick.A_View_From_Cumbria5 said:
70% shouldn't be high. We are talking about party activists here who pump leaflets though doors - come out and vote dawn to dusk.Alanbrooke said:
Jo Swinson was elected by the Russian botfarms- you heard it here firstIanB2 said:
Especially for an online only ballot.rcs1000 said:
More than 70% of LD members voted. I think that's pretty high.JBriskinindyref2 said:Shit turnout though
Now some will be senile and some will be dead. Some will be genuinely conflicted I suppose. Is there much of an issue with double membership or double counting of membership in the LDs ?
There certainly WAS in the Tory party but the new system must have cleaned most of that out. 0 -
Nothing is cut and dried.eek said:
So Boris doesn't get a deal (very likely since the EU can't really make decisions until November 1st when the new leadership officially takes over). How do you avoid No Deal destroying the Tory party and the union....Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not see it that wayeek said:
Surely the time for action is now when we could have a general election and still have enough time to implement the end result if it was a No Deal Tory party win...Big_G_NorthWales said:Congratulations to Jo Swinson and while I do not know anything about her I do wish her well
Boris is about to enter no 10, and it fills me with great concern, but the actions of Duncan today were uncalled for and pathetic. The time for vonc will be Sept/Oct when matters may well be clearer
And where is Tom Watson today on the conviction of Carl Beech.
His actions played a huge part in condemning innocent men and he did it for political motives.
Shameful
If you wait to September exactly how do you hold a VoNC that doesn't result in an accidental No Deal screw up...
I do not support Boris but he has to be given a chance to get a deal with the EU no matter how unlikely that is
Barnier, Junckers, Merkel and Varadkar are not on holiday and Boris must be given a chance otherwise we will end up with an even bigger crisis.
I am not sure how anything will stop the no deal unless there is a deal but we are too ready to hold to our own positions for our own political motives0 -
Jo Swinson CVIanB2 said:
Yep, #Jomentum is on the roll...theakes said:Wow reading through some of the comments about the new Lib Dem leader it looks as if she has already ruffled feathers and produced serious anxiety into the SNP and right wing of the Blue ranks.
• Warned against rises in Minimum Wage
• Called for a statue to pay Tribute to Thatcher
• Defended Tory Tribunal Fees
• Scrapped EMA
• Cut Disability Payments
• Backed Bedroom Tax
• Tripled Tuition Fees
• Voted to bomb several Muslim Countries
• Backed Austerity
Just your regular Liberal Democrat, really0 -
Jesus you are something else Malcy... The true face of open-hearted civic nationalism, and you know what- this drunken uncle stuff bores the arse of more and more folk, even in Scotland. So feel free to let rip with graceless, charmless shite and watch the SNP fade into hurrumphing despair as they fall to bits.Cicero said:
Scottish accent my arse, she has spent her entire life in Bath and the carpetbagger visits Scotland once in a blue moon.malcolmg said:Swinson! a bit of a thrashing (she clearly got the vagina vote)(First women liberal/sdp leader!)
I think her soft Scottish accent should play well. It did no favours to Gordon Brown; but I don't really think she's in contendership to be next PM so should be fine.
Good Luck LDs! I agree with most of your policies except your central one.
LOL, humbug. Afraid even in this dictatorship we are allowed our opinions.It has bugger all to do with nationalism. She is a lying toerag, done nothing will amount to nothing. Unlucky for you the SNP ( of which I am not a member ) will not fade away till independence. In Scotland at least the Lib Dems will remain a 3rd division party competing with Greens for scraps from the table. For sure she would never have been able to tie Charlie's shoelaces but will likely fit in among the pygmies in the cesspit, harrumphing her delusions of grandeur.0 -
I called out Duncan earlier but there is no place for your commentAnimal_pb said:
A couple of Duncans using birth control around 63 years ago would have done the nation a bigger favour. He's an odious little creep.IanB2 said:
A couple more Duncans would be doing the nation a great favour.eek said:
Surely the time for action is now when we could have a general election and still have enough time to implement the end result if it was a No Deal Tory party win...Big_G_NorthWales said:Congratulations to Jo Swinson and while I do not know anything about her I do wish her well
Boris is about to enter no 10, and it fills me with great concern, but the actions of Duncan today were uncalled for and pathetic. The time for vonc will be Sept/Oct when matters may well be clearer
And where is Tom Watson today on the conviction of Carl Beech.
His actions played a huge part in condemning innocent men and he did it for political motives.
Shameful
If you wait to September exactly how do you hold a VoNC that doesn't result in an accidental No Deal screw up...0 -
Hmm, that is so misleading as to be a very, very big lie.bigjohnowls said:Jo Swinson CV
...
• Voted to bomb several Muslim Countries
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Brisket, Don't be a silly boy , that would mean I am not Scottish as I passed through once waving two fingers.JBriskinindyref2 said:So, Jo Swinson is actually Scottish it's just that if you've ever been to Bath then you're no longer considered Scottish in Malky's eyes.
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No true Scotsman.0
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Even nastier than the Tories, unbelievablebigjohnowls said:
Jo Swinson CVIanB2 said:
Yep, #Jomentum is on the roll...theakes said:Wow reading through some of the comments about the new Lib Dem leader it looks as if she has already ruffled feathers and produced serious anxiety into the SNP and right wing of the Blue ranks.
• Warned against rises in Minimum Wage
• Called for a statue to pay Tribute to Thatcher
• Defended Tory Tribunal Fees
• Scrapped EMA
• Cut Disability Payments
• Backed Bedroom Tax
• Tripled Tuition Fees
• Voted to bomb several Muslim Countries
• Backed Austerity
Just your regular Liberal Democrat, really0 -
So he will welcome with open arms us scrutinizing the record of one J Corbyn MP then .......Harris_Tweed said:Gosh. Lucky no other party’s outriders would jump on criticism like that
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1153341646530121728?s=200
