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The wording of the ad above is powerful and will get a lot of attention but the question is how will it impact on the future of the Labour leader who won the job convincingly in the 2015 leadership election and retained it a year later.
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From what I can read of it, the wording would better be described as "accurate" than "smart".0
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Very powerful advertisement. We are well past peak-Corbyn and perhaps a health scare and dignified exit does beckon.0
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To what question is Rebecca Long--Bailey the answer?1
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Boris or Jezza, or the oleaginous Farage? What a shit-show to take back control.
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Yes, it was rhetorical. She's possibly the least impressive of a very lightweight bunch. Who is putting her there and why? Genuine question.Nigelb said:
‘Who do. you think ,most likely to succeed Corbyn ?’Tabman said:To what question is Rebecca Long--Bailey the answer?
When Mike says she is his favourite, I’m not sure he means he’s a fan of hers....0 -
Apparently Rebecca Long-Bailey has acquired the nickname of Rebecca Wrong Daily which rhymes.
As to my views I was simply reporting the fact that she is the betting favourite.1 -
Yes I'd heard that too Mike.MikeSmithson said:Apparently Rebecca Long-Bailey has acquired the nickname of Rebecca Wrong Daily which rhymes
Is she viewed as a malleable Corbynite whom Seumas can continue to control?0 -
The argument the ad makes is one that I've made on here. Arguing about whether Corbyn is personally anti-Semitic is a distraction from his failure as party leader to deal competently with anti-Semitism in the Labour party, and that failure of leadership destroys any credibility that he might be able to make the country better by leading it as Prime Minister.0
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Hard to see Labour reviving without a Kinnock style purge of the new Militant Tendency, and I don't see RLB as capable of that. Rayner or Thornbury possibly, but maybe a real bruiser like Watson is needed. Not my party though.MikeSmithson said:Apparently Rebecca Long-Bailey has acquired the nickname of Rebecca Wrong Daily which rhymes.
As to my views I was simply reporting the fact that she is the betting favourite.
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Militant are now in control and if any purging is going on it's in the opposite directionFoxy said:
Hard to see Labour reviving without a Kinnock style purge of the new Militant Tendency, and I don't see RLB as capable of that. Rayner or Thornbury possibly, but maybe a real bruiser like Watson is needed. Not my party though.MikeSmithson said:Apparently Rebecca Long-Bailey has acquired the nickname of Rebecca Wrong Daily which rhymes.
As to my views I was simply reporting the fact that she is the betting favourite.0 -
Have they reduced the threshold of support from MPs required for nomination yet.Foxy said:
Hard to see Labour reviving without a Kinnock style purge of the new Militant Tendency, and I don't see RLB as capable of that. Rayner or Thornbury possibly, but maybe a real bruiser like Watson is needed. Not my party though.MikeSmithson said:Apparently Rebecca Long-Bailey has acquired the nickname of Rebecca Wrong Daily which rhymes.
As to my views I was simply reporting the fact that she is the betting favourite.
I can't remember what level of MP support is needed to get onto the membership ballot.0 -
Will it have the same effect as the 364 economists letter to the Times?0
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What is an anagram of "a legible Corbyn ace"?Tabman said:To what question is Rebecca Long--Bailey the answer?
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Good morning, everyone.
Quite the move. I wonder if the far left will react in kind, or simply embark upon a purge of soon-to-be non-persons.0 -
It is hard to see HOL surviving a Corbyn administration.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Quite the move. I wonder if the far left will react in kind, or simply embark upon a purge of soon-to-be non-persons.
Reaction will, I assume, be a load of Tory Blairites0 -
Corbyn won't care one bit about this advert.1
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I don’t see what fundamentals have changed that would allow for Corbyn to be forced out involuntarily.
The problem is that the hardliners in the membership heard all this “Corbyn will be a disaster for Labour in a GE” before. And as it turns out, his GE performance wasn’t a disaster. So it’s very easy to explain away all this complaining as more of the same.
Of course, he didn’t win the GE. And I strongly doubt he’d win a GE held tomorrow. But he needs another loss before people will seriously consider getting rid of him IMHO.0 -
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"Who is a member of the hard left who would be less disastrous than Corbyn and hasn't already indicated they don't want the leadership?"Tabman said:To what question is Rebecca Long--Bailey the answer?
There are people on the Labour front bench who would probably do better than her (Starmer, Rayner, Thornberry, for example), but RLB is from the Corbyn gang which gives her a huge head start with the membership.
The key question is whether she'd keep Milne and Corbyn's other Trot and Tankie mates in place. If so, the benefit to Labour would be limited. But even if she did, she at least doesn't have a personal history of, to put it kindly, borderline antisemitic remarks.0 -
Good lead, although I don’t fancy the bet. Small typo, weather.0
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Interesting, thanks.Swindon_Addick said:
"Who is a member of the hard left who would be less disastrous than Corbyn and hasn't already indicated they don't want the leadership?"Tabman said:To what question is Rebecca Long--Bailey the answer?
There are people on the Labour front bench who would probably do better than her (Starmer, Rayner, Thornberry, for example), but RLB is from the Corbyn gang which gives her a huge head start with the membership.
The key question is whether she'd keep Milne and Corbyn's other Trot and Tankie mates in place. If so, the benefit to Labour would be limited. But even if she did, she at least doesn't have a personal history of, to put it kindly, borderline antisemitic remarks.
Does she have any independent views or is she a creature of the 4Ms?0 -
Since Jeremy Corbyn does not appoint peers, this makes his task of getting things through the Lords in future still harder.0
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Who knew?
Boris Johnson has been accused of repeatedly ignoring expert advice on the viability of his so-called vanity projects as London mayor, leaving taxpayers with a bill of nearly £1bn and rising.
Some of those who worked closely with Johnson as mayor, including fellow Conservatives, told the Guardian that he defied senior officials over a string of profligate projects and resisted being held to account for their ballooning costs.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/16/boris-johnson-accused-of-costing-taxpayers-1bn-on-london-mayor-projects
“He could be incredibly profligate for the country. He’s great on rhetoric but lousy on delivery.” (says fellow Tory)0 -
I've seen Boris on a few different bikes - all garbage. He had a Marin hybrid for a while before the Halfords special he trundles around on now.Scott_P said:0 -
What do people who bet on politics know?MikeSmithson said:Apparently Rebecca Long-Bailey has acquired the nickname of Rebecca Wrong Daily which rhymes.
As to my views I was simply reporting the fact that she is the betting favourite.
After all, they kept telling us to lay favourite Boris.....0 -
Boris’s cost to London:
Garden Bridge (that never happened) = £52 million
New Routemaster bus = £321 million
Cable Car to nowhere = £24 million
Useless water cannon = £0.3 million
Bike Scheme subsidy = £225 million (supposed to make a profit, as does Paris)
Island Airport study = £5 million
Olympic Stadium conversion = £305 million
Stratford Helter-skelter = £6 million0 -
It's really hard to tell, because most of them avoid criticising JC. Based on recent comments you might conclude Starmer was hard left, which he definitely isn't. She's gone off-message in a minor way over Europe and tends to be noticeably absent when the loyalists are defending JC over the latest antisemitism scandal. I'd say she's someone whose hard left views are independent of any particular factional loyalty. She's also relatively new in parliament, which means she isn't one of the gang who've all known each other for decades.Tabman said:
Interesting, thanks.
Does she have any independent views or is she a creature of the 4Ms?
However I'm not well plugged into Momentum so could be missing something.1 -
Quite. I've had my decent bike nicked in plain sight in Oxford (fortunately I caught the thief making off with it), let alone London.tlg86 said:0 -
Just the rounding error on an NHS IT project.....IanB2 said:Boris’s cost to London:
Garden Bridge (that never happened) = £52 million
New Routemaster bus = £321 million
Cable Car to nowhere = £24 million
Useless water cannon = £0.3 million
Bike Scheme subsidy = £225 million (supposed to make a profit, as does Paris)
Island Airport study = £5 million
Olympic Stadium conversion = £305 million
Stratford Helter-skelter = £6 million0 -
The Labour Party in 2019 :
FOR THE MANY NOT THE JEW0 -
Thanks that's really helpful.Swindon_Addick said:
It's really hard to tell, because most of them avoid criticising JC. Based on recent comments you might conclude Starmer was hard left, which he definitely isn't. She's gone off-message in a minor way over Europe and tends to be noticeably absent when the loyalists are defending JC over the latest antisemitism scandal. I'd say she's someone whose hard left views are independent of any particular factional loyalty. She's also relatively new in parliament, which means she isn't one of the gang who've all known each other for decades.Tabman said:
Interesting, thanks.
Does she have any independent views or is she a creature of the 4Ms?
However I'm not well plugged into Momentum so could be missing something.
I must confess the one Labour MP I really don't get is Keir Starmer. He looks and sounds like a Blairite and is clearly at odds with the Trots. Why does he stay?0 -
Though taking out roadies while accelerating away from the lights on a Boris Bike, or Brompton, is one of the great pleasures of cycling in London.OblitusSumMe said:0 -
I have been saying for a while that Laura Pidcock is the one to follow as next Labour leader. I am not sure of the current odds, but they are probably way too long.
That said, Corbyn is not going anywhere for a very long time. I'd expect him to stay on even when Labour loses the next election.0 -
Of those, I've got no real problem with 'studies' into possible new infrastructure, although it's always interesting that they seem to cost many millions.MarqueeMark said:
Just the rounding error on an NHS IT project.....IanB2 said:Boris’s cost to London:
Garden Bridge (that never happened) = £52 million
New Routemaster bus = £321 million
Cable Car to nowhere = £24 million
Useless water cannon = £0.3 million
Bike Scheme subsidy = £225 million (supposed to make a profit, as does Paris)
Island Airport study = £5 million
Olympic Stadium conversion = £305 million
Stratford Helter-skelter = £6 million
If you don't do such studies, you're more likely to build the wrong thing, or not build what you need.
I'm amazed the bike scheme cost so much, though.0 -
" taking out roadies "El_Capitano said:
Though taking out roadies while accelerating away from the lights on a Boris Bike, or Brompton, is one of the great pleasures of cycling in London.OblitusSumMe said:
What does that lingo mean?0 -
Johnson is a world class waster of money because he is not interested in detail. He wasted £1 billion when given the London mayoral budget to look after. The UK one is many times bigger. The sky's the limit for the entirely self-interested, bone idle one.MarqueeMark said:
Just the rounding error on an NHS IT project.....IanB2 said:Boris’s cost to London:
Garden Bridge (that never happened) = £52 million
New Routemaster bus = £321 million
Cable Car to nowhere = £24 million
Useless water cannon = £0.3 million
Bike Scheme subsidy = £225 million (supposed to make a profit, as does Paris)
Island Airport study = £5 million
Olympic Stadium conversion = £305 million
Stratford Helter-skelter = £6 million
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If they've been telling you to lay all the favourites since May was elected you will be well in profit, even if the final favourite wins. It's a bit like betting on Love Island.MarqueeMark said:
What do people who bet on politics know?MikeSmithson said:Apparently Rebecca Long-Bailey has acquired the nickname of Rebecca Wrong Daily which rhymes.
As to my views I was simply reporting the fact that she is the betting favourite.
After all, they kept telling us to lay favourite Boris.....
Which brings us to the most important question of the Tory leadership election, who will win Love Island?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=io1NxnU08CU0 -
That's ok then!MarqueeMark said:
Just the rounding error on an NHS IT project.....IanB2 said:Boris’s cost to London:
Garden Bridge (that never happened) = £52 million
New Routemaster bus = £321 million
Cable Car to nowhere = £24 million
Useless water cannon = £0.3 million
Bike Scheme subsidy = £225 million (supposed to make a profit, as does Paris)
Island Airport study = £5 million
Olympic Stadium conversion = £305 million
Stratford Helter-skelter = £6 million0 -
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Unusual Tuesday vote for a LD defence on Cardiff UA last night... Another strong swing against the Tories...0
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Long Bailey would turn the Labour Party into a little niche outfit on the left scrabbling around for weido's votes like UKIP does on the right. A catchy name is useful but a Labout renaissance needs more than that..
OT. Last night at Nice airport I was in a passport queue which took well over an hour. There was ONE person checking the passports of 150 people.
I have no idea whether it was deliberate but it felt like it. He checked every passport thoroughly. When I loudly suggested this was to be our bright new future with Boris there were a lot of murmers of agreement.0 -
The one Socialist Ken initiated?JosiasJessop said:
Of those, I've got no real problem with 'studies' into possible new infrastructure, although it's always interesting that they seem to cost many millions.MarqueeMark said:
Just the rounding error on an NHS IT project.....IanB2 said:Boris’s cost to London:
Garden Bridge (that never happened) = £52 million
New Routemaster bus = £321 million
Cable Car to nowhere = £24 million
Useless water cannon = £0.3 million
Bike Scheme subsidy = £225 million (supposed to make a profit, as does Paris)
Island Airport study = £5 million
Olympic Stadium conversion = £305 million
Stratford Helter-skelter = £6 million
If you don't do such studies, you're more likely to build the wrong thing, or not build what you need.
I'm amazed the bike scheme cost so much, though.0 -
Just discovered that the Republican House of 2016/2017 made it out of bounds to call Trump racist in the Senate and Congress
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More of a Milibandista than a Blairite, I'd say. To the Corbynites they're all the same thing, but to the rest of the party it's a big distinction.Tabman said:
Thanks that's really helpful.Swindon_Addick said:
It's really hard to tell, because most of them avoid criticising JC. Based on recent comments you might conclude Starmer was hard left, which he definitely isn't. She's gone off-message in a minor way over Europe and tends to be noticeably absent when the loyalists are defending JC over the latest antisemitism scandal. I'd say she's someone whose hard left views are independent of any particular factional loyalty. She's also relatively new in parliament, which means she isn't one of the gang who've all known each other for decades.Tabman said:
Interesting, thanks.
Does she have any independent views or is she a creature of the 4Ms?
However I'm not well plugged into Momentum so could be missing something.
I must confess the one Labour MP I really don't get is Keir Starmer. He looks and sounds like a Blairite and is clearly at odds with the Trots. Why does he stay?
I'm pretty sure he stays because he thinks he can drag the party into a sensible Brexit position and possibly save the country from economic hardship in the process. So far he's doing pretty well, given that Labour started out with most MPs wanting to triangulate an electorally popular position rather than oppose hard Brexit on principle.0 -
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Has Boris been laying all the favourites?DecrepitJohnL said:
If they've been telling you to lay all the favourites since May was elected you will be well in profit, even if the final favourite wins. It's a bit like betting on Love Island.MarqueeMark said:
What do people who bet on politics know?MikeSmithson said:Apparently Rebecca Long-Bailey has acquired the nickname of Rebecca Wrong Daily which rhymes.
As to my views I was simply reporting the fact that she is the betting favourite.
After all, they kept telling us to lay favourite Boris.....
Which brings us to the most important question of the Tory leadership election, who will win Love Island?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=io1NxnU08CU0 -
Except for the link to the other twitter feed BrexitParody_UKScott_P said:
It's scarily plausible though...0 -
WHERE IS @TheJezziah??
How else without his comments are we to know how we and the 60 Labour peers have got it wrong?1 -
https://twitter.com/Maomentum_/status/1151388447946477569TOPPING said:WHERE IS @TheJezziah??
How else without his comments are we to know how we and the 60 Labour peers have got it wrong?1 -
Leaving partisan opinions aside - when I first became aware of her she was dreadfully bad at speaking. She's improved a lot subsequently. I think she may be one to watch. Not sure how she ends up as favourite in the betting right now though.0
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Whilst I am not keen on defending the incompetent, not sure those numbers are fair or right?IanB2 said:Boris’s cost to London:
Garden Bridge (that never happened) = £52 million
New Routemaster bus = £321 million
Cable Car to nowhere = £24 million
Useless water cannon = £0.3 million
Bike Scheme subsidy = £225 million (supposed to make a profit, as does Paris)
Island Airport study = £5 million
Olympic Stadium conversion = £305 million
Stratford Helter-skelter = £6 million
Routemaster cost - looks like the cost of 1000 routemaster buses, we still have those so the fairer number would be the difference between 1000 routemasters or 1000 other buses which might be closer to £100m, and routemaster presumably has environmental benefits over those.
Bike Subsidy - that includes infrastructure cost of an expanding scheme (so ongoing benefits to come), the subsidy is similar to other tfl modes of transport as a proportion of cost per journey and obviously environmentally friendly.
Cable Car = £6m of the £24m came from EU! Not sure if that is a cost to London or not....also makes a small annual profit (few hundred thousand) so the remaining cost gradually coming down.
The garden bridge and stadium are the big mistakes presumably for opposite reasons, Boris being interested in the garden bridge so wasting money on it, and Boris having no interest in the minutiae of negotiating contracts for the Olympic stadium once the Olympics themselves were over.0 -
John Humphry's either doesn't know the meaning of 'base' or he doresn't listen to his guest's reply.
American guest ' He said it to fire up his base'
Humphry's 'But couldn't he have just been saying it because his own supporters would approve of what he was saying?'
Since they took half his dosh off him he's definitely got worse0 -
The source is a 2017 Guardian article:noneoftheabove said:
Whilst I am not keen on defending the incompetent, not sure those numbers are fair or right?IanB2 said:Boris’s cost to London:
Garden Bridge (that never happened) = £52 million
New Routemaster bus = £321 million
Cable Car to nowhere = £24 million
Useless water cannon = £0.3 million
Bike Scheme subsidy = £225 million (supposed to make a profit, as does Paris)
Island Airport study = £5 million
Olympic Stadium conversion = £305 million
Stratford Helter-skelter = £6 million
Routemaster cost - looks like the cost of 1000 routemaster buses, we still have those so the fairer number would be the difference between 1000 routemasters or 1000 other buses which might be closer to £100m, and routemaster presumably has environmental benefits over those.
Bike Subsidy - that includes infrastructure cost of an expanding scheme (so ongoing benefits to come), the subsidy is similar to other tfl modes of transport as a proportion of cost per journey and obviously environmentally friendly.
Cable Car = £6m of the £24m came from EU! Not sure if that is a cost to London or not....also makes a small annual profit (few hundred thousand) so the remaining cost gradually coming down.
The garden bridge and stadium are the big mistakes presumably for opposite reasons, Boris being interested in the garden bridge so wasting money on it, and Boris having no interest in the minutiae of negotiating contracts for the Olympic stadium once the Olympics themselves were over.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/aug/18/bridge-940m-bill-boris-johnsons-mayora-vanity-projects-garden-bridge-routemaster-bus
You are probably right that a couple of the figures are gross when they should be net, but it doesn't really alter a sorry picture.
There is a more subjective account of Boris's early days in office here:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/16/total-chaos-boris-johnson-london-mayor0 -
He's famous for his loose screwing as well as having a screw loose.Roger said:
Has Boris been laying all the favourites?DecrepitJohnL said:
If they've been telling you to lay all the favourites since May was elected you will be well in profit, even if the final favourite wins. It's a bit like betting on Love Island.MarqueeMark said:
What do people who bet on politics know?MikeSmithson said:Apparently Rebecca Long-Bailey has acquired the nickname of Rebecca Wrong Daily which rhymes.
As to my views I was simply reporting the fact that she is the betting favourite.
After all, they kept telling us to lay favourite Boris.....
Which brings us to the most important question of the Tory leadership election, who will win Love Island?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=io1NxnU08CU0 -
The reference is actually to this:Alistair said:Just discovered that the Republican House of 2016/2017 made it out of bounds to call Trump racist in the Senate and Congress
https://twitter.com/CraigCaplan/status/1151221245628821504?s=19
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/07/pelosi-squad-and-fight-over-trump-house-floor/594169/
Among the authorities that govern House procedure in this regard is Thomas Jefferson’s Manual of Parliamentary Practice, published in 1801 and used by the House since the 1830s. It forbids language “which is personally offensive to the president”
Of course such a rule is rendered otiose by a president who regards anything other than slavish devotion as personally offensive.
One might also remark that a slaveowner who raped his female property is perhaps not the ideal authority to reference in this matter.0 -
Alas my repeated attempts to get her known as Rebecca Short-Trousers have fallen on stony ground.MikeSmithson said:Apparently Rebecca Long-Bailey has acquired the nickname of Rebecca Wrong Daily which rhymes.
As to my views I was simply reporting the fact that she is the betting favourite.
Night all.0 -
The precise figure is hardly important, given the far greater magnitude of the spaffing opportunities granted to a PM.IanB2 said:
The source is a 2017 Guardian article:noneoftheabove said:
Whilst I am not keen on defending the incompetent, not sure those numbers are fair or right?IanB2 said:Boris’s cost to London:
Garden Bridge (that never happened) = £52 million
New Routemaster bus = £321 million
Cable Car to nowhere = £24 million
Useless water cannon = £0.3 million
Bike Scheme subsidy = £225 million (supposed to make a profit, as does Paris)
Island Airport study = £5 million
Olympic Stadium conversion = £305 million
Stratford Helter-skelter = £6 million
Routemaster cost - looks like the cost of 1000 routemaster buses, we still have those so the fairer number would be the difference between 1000 routemasters or 1000 other buses which might be closer to £100m, and routemaster presumably has environmental benefits over those.
Bike Subsidy - that includes infrastructure cost of an expanding scheme (so ongoing benefits to come), the subsidy is similar to other tfl modes of transport as a proportion of cost per journey and obviously environmentally friendly.
Cable Car = £6m of the £24m came from EU! Not sure if that is a cost to London or not....also makes a small annual profit (few hundred thousand) so the remaining cost gradually coming down.
The garden bridge and stadium are the big mistakes presumably for opposite reasons, Boris being interested in the garden bridge so wasting money on it, and Boris having no interest in the minutiae of negotiating contracts for the Olympic stadium once the Olympics themselves were over.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/aug/18/bridge-940m-bill-boris-johnsons-mayora-vanity-projects-garden-bridge-routemaster-bus
You are probably right that a couple of the figures are gross when they should be net, but it doesn't really alter a sorry picture.
There is a more subjective account of Boris's early days in office here:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/16/total-chaos-boris-johnson-london-mayor
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I'm surprised. Nigel Farage's song repertoire was previously drawn from the other side in the Second World War.Scott_P said:1 -
I know thing are bad, but it’s actually still morning.SandyRentool said:
Alas my repeated attempts to get her known as Rebecca Short-Trousers have fallen on stony ground.MikeSmithson said:Apparently Rebecca Long-Bailey has acquired the nickname of Rebecca Wrong Daily which rhymes.
As to my views I was simply reporting the fact that she is the betting favourite.
Night all.
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I think my Rebecca Long-Drop may prove more apposite....SandyRentool said:
Alas my repeated attempts to get her known as Rebecca Short-Trousers have fallen on stony ground.MikeSmithson said:Apparently Rebecca Long-Bailey has acquired the nickname of Rebecca Wrong Daily which rhymes.
As to my views I was simply reporting the fact that she is the betting favourite.
Night all.0 -
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She would go well in that narrow “all Tories are vermin, and lack any decency” strand of Corbynism and hard leftism. But will that work in the wider world ? How do you begin to win over floating voters with that mindset. My wife is a labour elected representative, I’m a Tory. When Pidcock makes those kind of statements it isolates people to who politics isn’t their burning passion.SouthamObserver said:I have been saying for a while that Laura Pidcock is the one to follow as next Labour leader. I am not sure of the current odds, but they are probably way too long.
That said, Corbyn is not going anywhere for a very long time. I'd expect him to stay on even when Labour loses the next election.
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A stadium that should have been W-A-Y better designed for use after the Olympics was hardly Boris's problem.... Just a mess he inherited. It may give a pointer, however, to how he handles inherited messes....noneoftheabove said:
Whilst I am not keen on defending the incompetent, not sure those numbers are fair or right?IanB2 said:Boris’s cost to London:
Garden Bridge (that never happened) = £52 million
New Routemaster bus = £321 million
Cable Car to nowhere = £24 million
Useless water cannon = £0.3 million
Bike Scheme subsidy = £225 million (supposed to make a profit, as does Paris)
Island Airport study = £5 million
Olympic Stadium conversion = £305 million
Stratford Helter-skelter = £6 million
Routemaster cost - looks like the cost of 1000 routemaster buses, we still have those so the fairer number would be the difference between 1000 routemasters or 1000 other buses which might be closer to £100m, and routemaster presumably has environmental benefits over those.
Bike Subsidy - that includes infrastructure cost of an expanding scheme (so ongoing benefits to come), the subsidy is similar to other tfl modes of transport as a proportion of cost per journey and obviously environmentally friendly.
Cable Car = £6m of the £24m came from EU! Not sure if that is a cost to London or not....also makes a small annual profit (few hundred thousand) so the remaining cost gradually coming down.
The garden bridge and stadium are the big mistakes presumably for opposite reasons, Boris being interested in the garden bridge so wasting money on it, and Boris having no interest in the minutiae of negotiating contracts for the Olympic stadium once the Olympics themselves were over.0 -
Yes, it is a parody. It is vaguely concerning that the journalist who posted it was so easily taken in, despite the bizarre content, the link you noted and the lack of a blue tick. Cross-checking the name with a list of MEPs might have helped too.eek said:
Except for the link to the other twitter feed BrexitParody_UKScott_P said:
It's scarily plausible though...0 -
Roadies are cyclists on road racing bikes. Generally young and fit. Taking out means accelerating quicker.JosiasJessop said:
" taking out roadies "El_Capitano said:
Though taking out roadies while accelerating away from the lights on a Boris Bike, or Brompton, is one of the great pleasures of cycling in London.OblitusSumMe said:
What does that lingo mean?
A bit like the pleasure I had against BMW drivers in the SAAB at the traffic lights Grand Prix when I was young and foolish 🙂0 -
Too bad Jim McCawber doesn't exist.AlastairMeeks said:
I'm surprised. Nigel Farage's song repertoire was previously drawn from the other side in the Second World War.Scott_P said:0 -
It just feels like he gets s**t on by the 4Ms at every opportunity. He must have huge reserves of equanimity. Is it coz he's a Sir?Swindon_Addick said:
More of a Milibandista than a Blairite, I'd say. To the Corbynites they're all the same thing, but to the rest of the party it's a big distinction.Tabman said:
Thanks that's really helpful.Swindon_Addick said:
It's really hard to tell, because most of them avoid criticising JC. Based on recent comments you might conclude Starmer was hard left, which he definitely isn't. She's gone off-message in a minor way over Europe and tends to be noticeably absent when the loyalists are defending JC over the latest antisemitism scandal. I'd say she's someone whose hard left views are independent of any particular factional loyalty. She's also relatively new in parliament, which means she isn't one of the gang who've all known each other for decades.Tabman said:
Interesting, thanks.
Does she have any independent views or is she a creature of the 4Ms?
However I'm not well plugged into Momentum so could be missing something.
I must confess the one Labour MP I really don't get is Keir Starmer. He looks and sounds like a Blairite and is clearly at odds with the Trots. Why does he stay?
I'm pretty sure he stays because he thinks he can drag the party into a sensible Brexit position and possibly save the country from economic hardship in the process. So far he's doing pretty well, given that Labour started out with most MPs wanting to triangulate an electorally popular position rather than oppose hard Brexit on principle.0 -
Indeed. Whether their polling will recover who can day, but he has won the day on Brexit.Swindon_Addick said:
More of a Milibandista than a Blairite, I'd say. To the Corbynites they're all the same thing, but to the rest of the party it's a big distinction.Tabman said:
Thanks that's really helpful.Swindon_Addick said:
It's really hard to tell, because most of them avoid criticising JC. Based on recent comments you might conclude Starmer was hard left, which he definitely isn't. She's gone off-message in a minor way over Europe and tends to be noticeably absent when the loyalists are defending JC over the latest antisemitism scandal. I'd say she's someone whose hard left views are independent of any particular factional loyalty. She's also relatively new in parliament, which means she isn't one of the gang who've all known each other for decades.Tabman said:
Interesting, thanks.
Does she have any independent views or is she a creature of the 4Ms?
However I'm not well plugged into Momentum so could be missing something.
I must confess the one Labour MP I really don't get is Keir Starmer. He looks and sounds like a Blairite and is clearly at odds with the Trots. Why does he stay?
I'm pretty sure he stays because he thinks he can drag the party into a sensible Brexit position and possibly save the country from economic hardship in the process. So far he's doing pretty well, given that Labour started out with most MPs wanting to triangulate an electorally popular position rather than oppose hard Brexit on principle.0 -
His [Ben Stokes] character was shown on Sunday when Stokes asked the umpires if the four runs that England scored as overthrows after the ball hit his bat while he was completing a run could be taken off the score, although the laws do not allow umpires to exercise discretion.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/d141701c-a7e1-11e9-b520-3fe5f5a3c989
What a guy, that’s the spirit of cricket right there.1 -
THe problem with trying to use this for the Republicans is that calling Trump a racist is a simple statement of fact. The minor detail that if applied logically to all immigrants the whole Trump family would have to be deported shows he is targeting only non-whites.Nigelb said:
The reference is actually to this:Alistair said:Just discovered that the Republican House of 2016/2017 made it out of bounds to call Trump racist in the Senate and Congress
https://twitter.com/CraigCaplan/status/1151221245628821504?s=19
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/07/pelosi-squad-and-fight-over-trump-house-floor/594169/
Among the authorities that govern House procedure in this regard is Thomas Jefferson’s Manual of Parliamentary Practice, published in 1801 and used by the House since the 1830s. It forbids language “which is personally offensive to the president”
Of course such a rule is rendered otiose by a president who regards anything other than slavish devotion as personally offensive.
One might also remark that a slaveowner who raped his female property is perhaps not the ideal authority to reference in this matter.
Although I do agree with him he doesn't have a racist bone in his body. Allowing for the large lump of bone in his arse that masquerades as his brain, he has 207 of them.0 -
Which candidate is guaranteeing Jon Humphrys will be out of the Today studio by the 31st of October?Roger said:John Humphry's either doesn't know the meaning of 'base' or he doresn't listen to his guest's reply.
American guest ' He said it to fire up his base'
Humphry's 'But couldn't he have just been saying it because his own supporters would approve of what he was saying?'
Since they took half his dosh off him he's definitely got worse0 -
Ah, for a horrid moment I thought you might be gunning down innocent people packing up after a gig at the Brixton Academy.Tabman said:
Roadies are cyclists on road racing bikes. Generally young and fit. Taking out means accelerating quicker.JosiasJessop said:
" taking out roadies "El_Capitano said:
Though taking out roadies while accelerating away from the lights on a Boris Bike, or Brompton, is one of the great pleasures of cycling in London.OblitusSumMe said:
What does that lingo mean?
(Snip)
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That remark has been left hanging.MarqueeMark said:
I think my Rebecca Long-Drop may prove more apposite....SandyRentool said:
Alas my repeated attempts to get her known as Rebecca Short-Trousers have fallen on stony ground.MikeSmithson said:Apparently Rebecca Long-Bailey has acquired the nickname of Rebecca Wrong Daily which rhymes.
As to my views I was simply reporting the fact that she is the betting favourite.
Night all.0 -
This ad is further evidence who Boris might want a general election this year ideally after delivering Brexit, when Corbyn is still Labour leader.
However if Labour keeps Corbyn as leader and then follows him with a Corbynite like Laura Pidcock or Rebecca Long-Bailey or John McDonnell
or even Chris Williamson then serious questions must now be asked as to whether the LDs, whether with Swinson, Davey or Umunna now have more credible candidates for centre left voters to be PM to take on Boris and Farage than Labour do.
If so and Boris does deliver Brexit to remove the threat from the Brexit Party could it actually be Labour not the Tories under existential threat with a reversion to the 19th century battles between the Tories and Liberals as the 2 main parties rather than the Tories and Labour who dominated the 20th century and the first two decades of the 21st?0 -
I wonder if he truly believes he is not racist. Its hard to see how he could, but he clearly knows enough that being a racist is bad and he cannot possibly be bad, ergo he must not be racist.ydoethur said:
THe problem with trying to use this for the Republicans is that calling Trump a racist is a simple statement of fact. The minor detail that if applied logically to all immigrants the whole Trump family would have to be deported shows he is targeting only non-whites.Nigelb said:
The reference is actually to this:Alistair said:Just discovered that the Republican House of 2016/2017 made it out of bounds to call Trump racist in the Senate and Congress
https://twitter.com/CraigCaplan/status/1151221245628821504?s=19
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/07/pelosi-squad-and-fight-over-trump-house-floor/594169/
Among the authorities that govern House procedure in this regard is Thomas Jefferson’s Manual of Parliamentary Practice, published in 1801 and used by the House since the 1830s. It forbids language “which is personally offensive to the president”
Of course such a rule is rendered otiose by a president who regards anything other than slavish devotion as personally offensive.
One might also remark that a slaveowner who raped his female property is perhaps not the ideal authority to reference in this matter.
Although I do agree with him he doesn't have a racist bone in his body. Allowing for the large lump of bone in his arse that masquerades as his brain, he has 207 of them.0 -
It's sufficiently broad-based not to be seen as that. But I think it and even more the letter from the 200 miscellaneous members a few days ago make the mistake of turning the issue into a leadership challenge. The mainstream position of members IMO is (1) There's a problem and the party has been too slow to tackle it, in particular the ridiculously slow disciplinary procedures (2) Attacking people with serious health issues is wrong (whether the staff member who considered suicide or Jennie Formby with cancer) (3) Actually encountering any anti-semitism is extremely rare at local meetings (I never have, in nearly 50 years), and not every complaint is reasonable, so due process is needed (4) The issue is being exaggerated by the media and people whose real agenda is getting a leadership change.philiph said:
It is hard to see HOL surviving a Corbyn administration.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Quite the move. I wonder if the far left will react in kind, or simply embark upon a purge of soon-to-be non-persons.
Reaction will, I assume, be a load of Tory Blairites
There is a majority who want a clear break with practice to restore confidence in the disciplinary procedures, and also a majority who don't want a leadership change. Peers or others who want the former are making a mistake in trying to turn it into the latter.0 -
If we leave aside the 2015 revelation that Corbyn was a friend and supporter of Paul Eisen, this has now been a constant running sore for over a year.TheScreamingEagles said:
At what point would a sensible person have got a grip?0 -
If the impossible does occur and Boris gets us out of the EU by October 31st Labour is likely to have a problem.HYUFD said:This ad is further evidence who Boris might want a general election this year ideally after delivering Brexit, when Corbyn is still Labour leader.
However if Labour keeps Corbyn as leader and then follows him with a Corbynite like Laura Pidcock or Rebecca Long-Bailey or John McDonnell then serious questions must now be asked as to whether the LDs, whether with Swinson, Davey or Umunna now have more credible candidates for centre left voters to be PM to take on Boris and Farage than Labour do.
If so and Boris does deliver Brexit to remove the threat from the Brexit Party could it actually be Labour not the Tories under existential threat with a reversion to the 19th century battles between the Tories and Liberals as the 2 main parties rather than the Tories and Labour who dominated the 20th century and the first two decades of the 21st?
However for that to occur Boris has to achieve something and it's not clear how he will do it.0 -
Doesn't her surname preclude her?Gaz said:
She would go well in that narrow “all Tories are vermin, and lack any decency” strand of Corbynism and hard leftism. But will that work in the wider world ? How do you begin to win over floating voters with that mindset. My wife is a labour elected representative, I’m a Tory. When Pidcock makes those kind of statements it isolates people to who politics isn’t their burning passion.SouthamObserver said:I have been saying for a while that Laura Pidcock is the one to follow as next Labour leader. I am not sure of the current odds, but they are probably way too long.
That said, Corbyn is not going anywhere for a very long time. I'd expect him to stay on even when Labour loses the next election.0 -
He probably does. David Irving, for example, couldn't understand why saying his books were rejected by mainstream publishing houses because the Jews objected to them was racist.kle4 said:
I wonder if he truly believes he is not racist. Its hard to see how he could, but he clearly knows enough that being a racist is bad and he cannot possibly be bad, ergo he must not be racist.ydoethur said:
THe problem with trying to use this for the Republicans is that calling Trump a racist is a simple statement of fact. The minor detail that if applied logically to all immigrants the whole Trump family would have to be deported shows he is targeting only non-whites.Nigelb said:
The reference is actually to this:Alistair said:Just discovered that the Republican House of 2016/2017 made it out of bounds to call Trump racist in the Senate and Congress
https://twitter.com/CraigCaplan/status/1151221245628821504?s=19
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/07/pelosi-squad-and-fight-over-trump-house-floor/594169/
Among the authorities that govern House procedure in this regard is Thomas Jefferson’s Manual of Parliamentary Practice, published in 1801 and used by the House since the 1830s. It forbids language “which is personally offensive to the president”
Of course such a rule is rendered otiose by a president who regards anything other than slavish devotion as personally offensive.
One might also remark that a slaveowner who raped his female property is perhaps not the ideal authority to reference in this matter.
Although I do agree with him he doesn't have a racist bone in his body. Allowing for the large lump of bone in his arse that masquerades as his brain, he has 207 of them.
And there are several people in another organisation which shall be nameless who believe they are not racist when they clearly are (THAT mural was all the evidence needed).
But even if Trump were shrewd and sensible (he isn't) he doesn't get to say what is and isn't racism.
And I say again, since his tweets obviously only applied to selected first and second generation immigrants, those with non-white skins, he was clearly being racist.0 -
She would at least continue the tradition that all Labour leaders have cocks.Tabman said:
Doesn't her surname preclude her?Gaz said:
She would go well in that narrow “all Tories are vermin, and lack any decency” strand of Corbynism and hard leftism. But will that work in the wider world ? How do you begin to win over floating voters with that mindset. My wife is a labour elected representative, I’m a Tory. When Pidcock makes those kind of statements it isolates people to who politics isn’t their burning passion.SouthamObserver said:I have been saying for a while that Laura Pidcock is the one to follow as next Labour leader. I am not sure of the current odds, but they are probably way too long.
That said, Corbyn is not going anywhere for a very long time. I'd expect him to stay on even when Labour loses the next election.0 -
Hopefully - in their protectionist and free trade guises.HYUFD said:This ad is further evidence who Boris might want a general election this year ideally after delivering Brexit, when Corbyn is still Labour leader.
However if Labour keeps Corbyn as leader and then follows him with a Corbynite like Laura Pidcock or Rebecca Long-Bailey or John McDonnell
or even Chris Williamson then serious questions must now be asked as to whether the LDs, whether with Swinson, Davey or Umunna now have more credible candidates for centre left voters to be PM to take on Boris and Farage than Labour do.
If so and Boris does deliver Brexit to remove the threat from the Brexit Party could it actually be Labour not the Tories under existential threat with a reversion to the 19th century battles between the Tories and Liberals as the 2 main parties rather than the Tories and Labour who dominated the 20th century and the first two decades of the 21st?0 -
Do you think Labour has an anti-semitism problem Nick? I couldn't really tell from your post.NickPalmer said:
It's sufficiently broad-based not to be seen as that. But I think it and even more the letter from the 200 miscellaneous members a few days ago make the mistake of turning the issue into a leadership challenge. The mainstream position of members IMO is (1) There's a problem and the party has been too slow to tackle it, in particular the ridiculously slow disciplinary procedures (2) Attacking people with serious health issues is wrong (whether the staff member who considered suicide or Jennie Formby with cancer) (3) Actually encountering any anti-semitism is extremely rare at local meetings (I never have, in nearly 50 years), and not every complaint is reasonable, so due process is needed (4) The issue is being exaggerated by the media and people whose real agenda is getting a leadership change.philiph said:
It is hard to see HOL surviving a Corbyn administration.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Quite the move. I wonder if the far left will react in kind, or simply embark upon a purge of soon-to-be non-persons.
Reaction will, I assume, be a load of Tory Blairites
There is a majority who want a clear break with practice to restore confidence in the disciplinary procedures, and also a majority who don't want a leadership change. Peers or others who want the former are making a mistake in trying to turn it into the latter.0 -
With your help directing unwanted sensible Tories toward the LibDems...HYUFD said:This ad is further evidence who Boris might want a general election this year ideally after delivering Brexit, when Corbyn is still Labour leader.
However if Labour keeps Corbyn as leader and then follows him with a Corbynite like Laura Pidcock or Rebecca Long-Bailey or John McDonnell
or even Chris Williamson then serious questions must now be asked as to whether the LDs, whether with Swinson, Davey or Umunna now have more credible candidates for centre left voters to be PM to take on Boris and Farage than Labour do.
If so and Boris does deliver Brexit to remove the threat from the Brexit Party could it actually be Labour not the Tories under existential threat with a reversion to the 19th century battles between the Tories and Liberals as the 2 main parties rather than the Tories and Labour who dominated the 20th century and the first two decades of the 21st?0 -
As long as Boris does not extend again (even if that requires a Queen's Speech in November to prorogue Parliament past October 31st as he plans as a last resort, then the Brexit Party will not replace the Tories as the main party of the right).eek said:
If the impossible does occur and Boris gets us out of the EU by October 31st Labour is likely to have a problem.HYUFD said:This ad is further evidence who Boris might want a general election this year ideally after delivering Brexit, when Corbyn is still Labour leader.
However if Labour keeps Corbyn as leader and then follows him with a Corbynite like Laura Pidcock or Rebecca Long-Bailey or John McDonnell then serious questions must now be asked as to whether the LDs, whether with Swinson, Davey or Umunna now have more credible candidates for centre left voters to be PM to take on Boris and Farage than Labour do.
If so and Boris does deliver Brexit to remove the threat from the Brexit Party could it actually be Labour not the Tories under existential threat with a reversion to the 19th century battles between the Tories and Liberals as the 2 main parties rather than the Tories and Labour who dominated the 20th century and the first two decades of the 21st?
However for that to occur Boris has to achieve something and it's not clear how he will do it.
However Brexit or No Brexit the LDs could soon replace Corbyn Labour as the main party of the centre left just leaving Labour with hard-core socialists and some inner city ethnic minorities0 -
Good result for the LDs in Cardiff overnight
LD Rob Hopkins 1920 [55.3%; +18.9%]
Con 838 [24.1%; -11.9%]
Lab 560 [16.1%; -3.3%]
PC 152 [4.4% +4.4%]
Lib Dem Hold.
Percentage changes from 2017.1 -
Strikes me that abolishing the House of Lords will just have rushed up the Labour manifesto writing team's agenda.
I have always thought that Jezza would need to get rid asap in order to enact some of his stuff. Either that or pack the place out with 100s of momentum activists. But after that advert his kitchen cabinet of aides will want vengeance.0 -
Chapeau 🙂ydoethur said:
She would at least continue the tradition that all Labour leaders have cocks.Tabman said:
Doesn't her surname preclude her?Gaz said:
She would go well in that narrow “all Tories are vermin, and lack any decency” strand of Corbynism and hard leftism. But will that work in the wider world ? How do you begin to win over floating voters with that mindset. My wife is a labour elected representative, I’m a Tory. When Pidcock makes those kind of statements it isolates people to who politics isn’t their burning passion.SouthamObserver said:I have been saying for a while that Laura Pidcock is the one to follow as next Labour leader. I am not sure of the current odds, but they are probably way too long.
That said, Corbyn is not going anywhere for a very long time. I'd expect him to stay on even when Labour loses the next election.0 -
Attended a gathering last night with Jeremy Hunt.
I mean take out Brexit and he spoke a lot of good sense about a lot of domestic policies.
Not going to top up on him because I am in for a decent three figure win if he defies the odds (literally) but am happy I backed the right candidate.
Oh and as for Brexit, sadly he has tacked towards the membership as he continues to harden the rhetoric but, as with Lab/Con, all one has to do is look at the alternative.0
