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Blimey, are there more Lib Dem members on PB than non-members?!Andy_Cooke said:
Me neither, but it's a great difficult decision to have.stodge said:
When I saw them last Monday, I also thought they were both very good. Davey is the more "activist" of the two with a proven track record in SW London and he's more in the Ashdown/Farron mode - plenty of energy and speaks to the activists but that is limiting.Roger said:OT Just seen the CH4 debate between Swinson and Davey. First time I've really seen Swinson. Liked them both. Great contrast to the trully horrible Tory obsessives. For Me Swinson just edged it. Slightly more presence and a Scottish accent is a big positive. I also liked the subtle choice of wearing yellow.
Jo Swinson seems able to speak to the wider audience and would of course be the contrast to Johnson, Corbyn and even Farage. That's not a reason in and of itself for her to be Party leader of course but the LDs don't have the luxury of picking a leader that suits us but a leader likely to reach out to voters beyond the 20% (or 30%, or 10% or whatever).
I'm not finding this an easy decision at all.0 -
Oi, don’t diss the Empire.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes a reminder of the UK's shameful role in the global drugs war.Viceroy_of_Orange said:Powerful image.
https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon/status/1145712724623745025
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Elizabeth Warren is from Oklahoma and is pitching for the swing middle class voters needed to win in 2020. Biden is a serial loser for a reason and I think Trump would get the better of him too.HYUFD said:
If it is Warren v Harris Trump will be laughing all the way to re election, he probably wins the popular vote against either as well as likely increasing his Electoral College margin.kinabalu said:Warren vs Kamala in debate will be very interesting. Looking forward to that. If the Dem race boils down to these two I will be happy and relaxed. Trump is toast against either but IMO marginally more crisp and burnt if the junior senator from California gets the nod. The fact that she is my main bet has absolutely nothing to do with this assessment. It is 100% objective based on the evidence of my eyes and ears.
If the Democrats really think two liberal coastal elitists stand a better chance of beating Trump in the Electoral College than a charismatic centrist from rustbelt Pennsylvania like Joe Biden then they deserve to lose in 20200 -
I cannot see that being good for Sino-UK relations. Reminders of the century of national humiliation.Viceroy_of_Orange said:Powerful image.
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No, that could well be Tulsi GabbardCasino_Royale said:Is Kamala Harris the new Andrea Leadsom?
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Hadn't seen that - interesting, thanks.Nigelb said:
Details here:
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/elizabeth-warren-kamala-harris-electability-poll_n_5d18ca8ae4b03d61163d2743
Of course there will be a backlash/reaction, so Harris’s odds in particular are a bit short right now.0 -
So the first conversation in the lift wasn’t the last time he spoke to Boris? Just to be clear?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Even some of the ostensible Tories and Labour supporters on PB are basically LDsBenpointer said:
Blimey, are there more Lib Dem members on PB than non-members?!Andy_Cooke said:
Me neither, but it's a great difficult decision to have.stodge said:
When I saw them last Monday, I also thought they were both very good. Davey is the more "activist" of the two with a proven track record in SW London and he's more in the Ashdown/Farron mode - plenty of energy and speaks to the activists but that is limiting.Roger said:OT Just seen the CH4 debate between Swinson and Davey. First time I've really seen Swinson. Liked them both. Great contrast to the trully horrible Tory obsessives. For Me Swinson just edged it. Slightly more presence and a Scottish accent is a big positive. I also liked the subtle choice of wearing yellow.
Jo Swinson seems able to speak to the wider audience and would of course be the contrast to Johnson, Corbyn and even Farage. That's not a reason in and of itself for her to be Party leader of course but the LDs don't have the luxury of picking a leader that suits us but a leader likely to reach out to voters beyond the 20% (or 30%, or 10% or whatever).
I'm not finding this an easy decision at all.0 -
Is it? I don’t see anything willy-waving about cheering the UK as a nation state disappearing down the plug hole in the event of No Deal.Scott_P said:
A Brexit that results in the dismemberment of our country isn’t one I could support.0 -
Oh well this is odd.
Am posting to PB with Firefox where Vanilla embed is loading just fine but embed isn't loading with Google Chrome?0 -
"President Tusk will not be joining us. For the rest of his life..."Sunil_Prasannan said:
Diehard Remainers: (n.) Those people who want the Nakatomi Tower to remain in the EU.DougSeal said:Is there a Betfair market on how many times HYUFD will use the term “diehard remainers” tonight?
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I backed Palace on the handicaps when they somehow kept hold of Wilf last season. Not one of my more successful bets.TheScreamingEagles said:What are they smoking over there at the Emirates?
£40 million for Zaha?
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jul/01/arsenal-40m-approach-crystal-palace-wilfried-zaha0 -
Time to check the value of my position...0
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Elizabeth Warren is a Senator from Massachusetts, about the most left liberal state in the US and is pitching to the cultural and economic left.williamglenn said:
Elizabeth Warren is from Oklahoma and is pitching for the swing middle class voters needed to win in 2020. Biden is a serial loser for a reason and I think Trump would get the better of him too.HYUFD said:
If it is Warren v Harris Trump will be laughing all the way to re election, he probably wins the popular vote against either as well as likely increasing his Electoral College margin.kinabalu said:Warren vs Kamala in debate will be very interesting. Looking forward to that. If the Dem race boils down to these two I will be happy and relaxed. Trump is toast against either but IMO marginally more crisp and burnt if the junior senator from California gets the nod. The fact that she is my main bet has absolutely nothing to do with this assessment. It is 100% objective based on the evidence of my eyes and ears.
If the Democrats really think two liberal coastal elitists stand a better chance of beating Trump in the Electoral College than a charismatic centrist from rustbelt Pennsylvania like Joe Biden then they deserve to lose in 2020
Biden won 2 presidential elections with Obama and was re elected as Senator from Delaware in the 1980s even when Reagan and Bush Snr won the state0 -
China have brought this on themselves by trying to chip away at the Sino-British Joint Declaration and the rights of the Hong Kong people.Foxy said:
I cannot see that being good for Sino-UK relations. Reminders of the century of national humiliation.Viceroy_of_Orange said:Powerful image.
https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon/status/1145712724623745025
I’m a bit tired of our cowardly failure to stand up to China on this and I agree with Chris Patten that it’s a case of national honour to challenge them to uphold their side of the agreement.1 -
"Where..are...my...trade treaties?!"viewcode said:
"President Tusk will not be joining us. For the rest of his life..."Sunil_Prasannan said:
Diehard Remainers: (n.) Those people who want the Nakatomi Tower to remain in the EU.DougSeal said:Is there a Betfair market on how many times HYUFD will use the term “diehard remainers” tonight?
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Absolute nonsense.Luckyguy1983 said:
An independent Scotland would require significant financial support. Whether it would get it is another question entirely.williamglenn said:
Scotland.Luckyguy1983 said:
Country?Mexicanpete said:
Source?Luckyguy1983 said:
No country wants to join the EU unless they need the money.Gallowgate said:
There will be those of the view that no matter the end result, the Brexit will never be hard enough. There will be those who want to rejoin the EU. There will be those who want to rejoin EEA/The Single Market.Luckyguy1983 said:
Of course it won't. Our relationship with the continent will continue to be a big issue - as it has always been.Gallowgate said:
What is wrong with you people? Brexit does not 'end' once(if) we leave. This will dominate British politics for the next 20 years.kjohnw said:
People are kidding themselves if they think this all goes away.0 -
What can we gonna do about it? Nowt, that's what.Casino_Royale said:
China have brought this on themselves by trying to chip away at the Sino-British Joint Declaration and the rights of the Hong Kong people.Foxy said:
I cannot see that being good for Sino-UK relations. Reminders of the century of national humiliation.Viceroy_of_Orange said:Powerful image.
https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon/status/1145712724623745025
I’m a bit tired of our cowardly failure to stand up to China on this and I agree with Chris Patten that it’s a case of national honour to challenge them to uphold their side of the agreement.0 -
Yes indeed. Probably flattering, in a way, but truth is even if all of Hong Kong literally wanted to come back under our control we'd not be in a position to piss off the Chinese by pressing the issue.Foxy said:
I cannot see that being good for Sino-UK relations. Reminders of the century of national humiliation.Viceroy_of_Orange said:Powerful image.
https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon/status/1145712724623745025
Ostensible including those who actually vote for the parties in questions more often than 'real' Tories thesedays.HYUFD said:
Even some of the ostensible Tories and Labour supporters on PB are basically LDsBenpointer said:
Blimey, are there more Lib Dem members on PB than non-members?!Andy_Cooke said:
Me neither, but it's a great difficult decision to have.stodge said:
When I saw them last Monday, I also thought they were both very good. Davey is the more "activist" of the two with a proven track record in SW London and he's more in the Ashdown/Farron mode - plenty of energy and speaks to the activists but that is limiting.Roger said:OT Just seen the CH4 debate between Swinson and Davey. First time I've really seen Swinson. Liked them both. Great contrast to the trully horrible Tory obsessives. For Me Swinson just edged it. Slightly more presence and a Scottish accent is a big positive. I also liked the subtle choice of wearing yellow.
Jo Swinson seems able to speak to the wider audience and would of course be the contrast to Johnson, Corbyn and even Farage. That's not a reason in and of itself for her to be Party leader of course but the LDs don't have the luxury of picking a leader that suits us but a leader likely to reach out to voters beyond the 20% (or 30%, or 10% or whatever).
I'm not finding this an easy decision at all.0 -
Oh, I agree. It is just that after Brexit, beggars cannot be choosers.Casino_Royale said:
China have brought this on themselves by trying to chip away at the Sino-British Joint Declaration and the rights of the Hong Kong people.Foxy said:
I cannot see that being good for Sino-UK relations. Reminders of the century of national humiliation.Viceroy_of_Orange said:Powerful image.
https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon/status/1145712724623745025
I’m a bit tired of our cowardly failure to stand up to China on this and I agree with Chris Patten that it’s a case of national honour to challenge them to uphold their side of the agreement.
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Err, well we can’t send in the Royal Navy if that’s what you thought I meant.Gallowgate said:
What can we gonna do about it? Nowt, that's what.Casino_Royale said:
China have brought this on themselves by trying to chip away at the Sino-British Joint Declaration and the rights of the Hong Kong people.Foxy said:
I cannot see that being good for Sino-UK relations. Reminders of the century of national humiliation.Viceroy_of_Orange said:Powerful image.
https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon/status/1145712724623745025
I’m a bit tired of our cowardly failure to stand up to China on this and I agree with Chris Patten that it’s a case of national honour to challenge them to uphold their side of the agreement.
We can robustly challenge China in private and underline our stance in public too to apply pressure, as the USA is doing, and leverage our soft power.0 -
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Biden is Senator for the left liberal state of Delaware is he not?HYUFD said:
Elizabeth Warren is a Senator from Massachusetts, about the most left liberal state in the US and is pitching to the cultural and economic left.williamglenn said:
Elizabeth Warren is from Oklahoma and is pitching for the swing middle class voters needed to win in 2020. Biden is a serial loser for a reason and I think Trump would get the better of him too.HYUFD said:
If it is Warren v Harris Trump will be laughing all the way to re election, he probably wins the popular vote against either as well as likely increasing his Electoral College margin.kinabalu said:Warren vs Kamala in debate will be very interesting. Looking forward to that. If the Dem race boils down to these two I will be happy and relaxed. Trump is toast against either but IMO marginally more crisp and burnt if the junior senator from California gets the nod. The fact that she is my main bet has absolutely nothing to do with this assessment. It is 100% objective based on the evidence of my eyes and ears.
If the Democrats really think two liberal coastal elitists stand a better chance of beating Trump in the Electoral College than a charismatic centrist from rustbelt Pennsylvania like Joe Biden then they deserve to lose in 2020
Biden won 2 presidential elections with Obama and was re elected as Senator from Delaware in the 1980s even when Reagan and Bush Snr won the state0 -
Casino_Royale said:
Is it? I don’t see anything willy-waving about cheering the UK as a nation state disappearing down the plug hole in the event of No Deal.Scott_P said:
A Brexit that results in the dismemberment of our country isn’t one I could support.
"100 per cent. National willy-waving on steroids" doesn't really work. Maybe she should have said on viagra?0 -
Steroid induced impotence may aid willy waving, as a stiffie is hard to wave...Roger said:Casino_Royale said:
Is it? I don’t see anything willy-waving about cheering the UK as a nation state disappearing down the plug hole in the event of No Deal.Scott_P said:
A Brexit that results in the dismemberment of our country isn’t one I could support.
"100 per cent. National willy-waving on steroids" doesn't really work. Maybe she should have said on viagra?0 -
Honour is cheap. We don't want to annoy the chinese as the 21st century rolls on. Given what they get away with with the rest of their people I cannot see that an honourable stand about them keeping to their word on Hong Kong will achieve anything. Sad, but they are on their own, facing a juggernaut.Casino_Royale said:
China have brought this on themselves by trying to chip away at the Sino-British Joint Declaration and the rights of the Hong Kong people.Foxy said:
I cannot see that being good for Sino-UK relations. Reminders of the century of national humiliation.Viceroy_of_Orange said:Powerful image.
https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon/status/1145712724623745025
I’m a bit tired of our cowardly failure to stand up to China on this and I agree with Chris Patten that it’s a case of national honour to challenge them to uphold their side of the agreement.0 -
As the Tories have retreated to Brexitland and Labour have descended into anti-semitism, remaining boringly sensible has made the LDs look more appealing by the day.HYUFD said:
Even some of the ostensible Tories and Labour supporters on PB are basically LDsBenpointer said:
Blimey, are there more Lib Dem members on PB than non-members?!Andy_Cooke said:
Me neither, but it's a great difficult decision to have.stodge said:
When I saw them last Monday, I also thought they were both very good. Davey is the more "activist" of the two with a proven track record in SW London and he's more in the Ashdown/Farron mode - plenty of energy and speaks to the activists but that is limiting.Roger said:OT Just seen the CH4 debate between Swinson and Davey. First time I've really seen Swinson. Liked them both. Great contrast to the trully horrible Tory obsessives. For Me Swinson just edged it. Slightly more presence and a Scottish accent is a big positive. I also liked the subtle choice of wearing yellow.
Jo Swinson seems able to speak to the wider audience and would of course be the contrast to Johnson, Corbyn and even Farage. That's not a reason in and of itself for her to be Party leader of course but the LDs don't have the luxury of picking a leader that suits us but a leader likely to reach out to voters beyond the 20% (or 30%, or 10% or whatever).
I'm not finding this an easy decision at all.1 -
I can't see the Chinese ripping up the Anglo-Sino Agreement being good for relations, but the Chinese have stated very clearly they do not care so why should we now tiptoe around this, as Prince Charles put it, waxwork regime?Foxy said:
I cannot see that being good for Sino-UK relations. Reminders of the century of national humiliation.Viceroy_of_Orange said:Powerful image.
https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon/status/1145712724623745025
That flag is a stick in the eye to Peking. We should encourage it. My personal belief is that all citizens of Hong Kong should have, and should still, be offered the chance to become full British subjects. Drain Hong Kong of its wonderful, educated and civilised people.1 -
I think you’re wrong.HYUFD said:
If it is Warren v Harris Trump will be laughing all the way to re election, he probably wins the popular vote against either as well as likely increasing his Electoral College margin.kinabalu said:Warren vs Kamala in debate will be very interesting. Looking forward to that. If the Dem race boils down to these two I will be happy and relaxed. Trump is toast against either but IMO marginally more crisp and burnt if the junior senator from California gets the nod. The fact that she is my main bet has absolutely nothing to do with this assessment. It is 100% objective based on the evidence of my eyes and ears.
If the Democrats really think two left liberal coastal elitists stand a better chance of beating Trump in the Electoral College than a charismatic centrist from rustbelt Pennsylvania like Joe Biden then they deserve to lose in 2020
We will see.0 -
This conversation has very quickly gone to a place I did not expect it to.Foxy said:
Steroid induced impotence may aid willy waving, as a stiffie is hard to wave...Roger said:Casino_Royale said:
Is it? I don’t see anything willy-waving about cheering the UK as a nation state disappearing down the plug hole in the event of No Deal.Scott_P said:
A Brexit that results in the dismemberment of our country isn’t one I could support.
"100 per cent. National willy-waving on steroids" doesn't really work. Maybe she should have said on viagra?0 -
Turning on both of them is pretty pointless, they are stuck with one of them.Scott_P said:0 -
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Most are British Nationals (Overseas) and already have privileges in the UK.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
I can't see the Chinese ripping up the Anglo-Sino Agreement being good for relations, but the Chinese have stated very clearly they do not care so why should we now tiptoe around this, as Prince Charles put it, waxwork regime?Foxy said:
I cannot see that being good for Sino-UK relations. Reminders of the century of national humiliation.Viceroy_of_Orange said:Powerful image.
https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon/status/1145712724623745025
That flag is a stick in the eye to Peking. We should encourage it. My personal belief is that all citizens of Hong Kong should have, and should still, be offered the chance to become full British subjects. Drain Hong Kong of its wonderful, educated and civilised people.
I think Hong Kong should be a Trojan horse for the reform of China proper and Western policy should be geared for it to be so.
Otherwise in 28 years time, when the agreement expires, China proper will just assimilate it wholesale and snuff out its freedoms like The Borg.0 -
7.4m people would take some absorbing... I can see that playing well in Brexit Britain.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
I can't see the Chinese ripping up the Anglo-Sino Agreement being good for relations, but the Chinese have stated very clearly they do not care so why should we now tiptoe around this, as Prince Charles put it, waxwork regime?Foxy said:
I cannot see that being good for Sino-UK relations. Reminders of the century of national humiliation.Viceroy_of_Orange said:Powerful image.
https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon/status/1145712724623745025
That flag is a stick in the eye to Peking. We should encourage it. My personal belief is that all citizens of Hong Kong should have, and should still, be offered the chance to become full British subjects. Drain Hong Kong of its wonderful, educated and civilised people.0 -
Honour in Imperial times was often sold quite cheaply.kle4 said:
Honour is cheap. We don't want to annoy the chinese as the 21st century rolls on. Given what they get away with with the rest of their people I cannot see that an honourable stand about them keeping to their word on Hong Kong will achieve anything. Sad, but they are on their own, facing a juggernaut.Casino_Royale said:
China have brought this on themselves by trying to chip away at the Sino-British Joint Declaration and the rights of the Hong Kong people.Foxy said:
I cannot see that being good for Sino-UK relations. Reminders of the century of national humiliation.Viceroy_of_Orange said:Powerful image.
https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon/status/1145712724623745025
I’m a bit tired of our cowardly failure to stand up to China on this and I agree with Chris Patten that it’s a case of national honour to challenge them to uphold their side of the agreement.
Hence the Arab saying, "It is better to be an enemy of the British than a friend, as they buy their enemies and sell their friends".0 -
One would assume the flag business is the work of PRC agents provocateurs
Whatever about Harris or Biden, I can't see Warren surviving debates with Trump. Basically she has to convince Obama->Trump supporters she is authentic, fat chance0 -
Isn't the fear of the first sentence the entire reason China has acted the way it has for some time, so it can achieve the second sentence?Casino_Royale said:
I think Hong Kong should be a Trojan horse for the reform of China proper and Western policy should be geared for it to be so.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
I can't see the Chinese ripping up the Anglo-Sino Agreement being good for relations, but the Chinese have stated very clearly they do not care so why should we now tiptoe around this, as Prince Charles put it, waxwork regime?Foxy said:
I cannot see that being good for Sino-UK relations. Reminders of the century of national humiliation.Viceroy_of_Orange said:Powerful image.
https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon/status/1145712724623745025
That flag is a stick in the eye to Peking. We should encourage it. My personal belief is that all citizens of Hong Kong should have, and should still, be offered the chance to become full British subjects. Drain Hong Kong of its wonderful, educated and civilised people.
Otherwise in 28 years time, when the agreement expires, China proper will just assimilate it wholesale and snuff out its freedoms like The Borg.-1 -
https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/evening-standard-comment-legalisation-of-cannabis-our-major-investigation-london-s-new-museum-a4179351.htmlTheScreamingEagles said:
Yes a reminder of the UK's shameful role in the global drugs war.Viceroy_of_Orange said:Powerful image.
https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon/status/1145712724623745025
#SayNoToDrugs
Is it time to make cannabis legal in the UK? Today, the Evening Standard launches a major investigation to find the right answer.
[..]
Our exclusive poll today says 63 per cent of Londoners and 47 per cent of people across the UK are in favour — with less than a third against.
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Sorry, I think that’s rank cowardice.kle4 said:
Honour is cheap. We don't want to annoy the chinese as the 21st century rolls on. Given what they get away with with the rest of their people I cannot see that an honourable stand about them keeping to their word on Hong Kong will achieve anything. Sad, but they are on their own, facing a juggernaut.Casino_Royale said:
China have brought this on themselves by trying to chip away at the Sino-British Joint Declaration and the rights of the Hong Kong people.Foxy said:
I cannot see that being good for Sino-UK relations. Reminders of the century of national humiliation.Viceroy_of_Orange said:Powerful image.
https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon/status/1145712724623745025
I’m a bit tired of our cowardly failure to stand up to China on this and I agree with Chris Patten that it’s a case of national honour to challenge them to uphold their side of the agreement.
Since when did standing up for anything worthwhile come without a price?
That’s not the sort of nation we are. There will be no victory or benefit in the long term from avoiding the issue in the hope of a few extra quid of investment or so we can continue to be able to buy cheap plastic ducks. We will earn their contempt, and rightly so.
Either we stand up and fight for our values or we are nothing.1 -
According to BBC Reporting Scotland:
Jo Swinson supporters include Willie Rennie MSP (current SLD leader), Christine Jardine MSP and Sheila Ritchie MEP.
Ed Davey supporters include former leaders Menzies Campbell, Jim Wallace and Tavish Scott.
I must say that Davey has by far the more impressive list of backers.0 -
I agree it is rank cowardice. It is also what we will do. I am far from the kind of misery guts who bemoans every aspect of British history as a shameful episode, and I regularly criticise those who whine about us being humiliated in our global standing in the present day, but we are absolutely the sort of nation which will knuckle under, restrict ourselves to perhaps quite stern statements, as China does whatever it wants in Hong Kong. It may well take them a bit longer than they would like, but they'll get there.Casino_Royale said:
Sorry, I think that’s rank cowardice.kle4 said:
Honour is cheap. We don't want to annoy the chinese as the 21st century rolls on. Given what they get away with with the rest of their people I cannot see that an honourable stand about them keeping to their word on Hong Kong will achieve anything. Sad, but they are on their own, facing a juggernaut.Casino_Royale said:
China have brought this on themselves by trying to chip away at the Sino-British Joint Declaration and the rights of the Hong Kong people.Foxy said:
I cannot see that being good for Sino-UK relations. Reminders of the century of national humiliation.Viceroy_of_Orange said:Powerful image.
https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon/status/1145712724623745025
I’m a bit tired of our cowardly failure to stand up to China on this and I agree with Chris Patten that it’s a case of national honour to challenge them to uphold their side of the agreement.
Since when did standing up for anything worthwhile come without a price?
That’s not the sort of nation we are. There will be no victory or benefit in the long term from avoiding the issue in the hope of a few extra quid of investment or so we can continue to be able to buy cheap plastic ducks. We will earn their contempt, and rightly so.
Either we stand up and fight for our values or we are nothing.0 -
That flag is widely respected in Hong Kong. It stands for everything that is good in Hong Kong, as compared to the blood stained cloth of the Peking ghouls. Long may it fly over the bay.EPG said:One would assume the flag business is the work of PRC agents provocateurs
Whatever about Harris or Biden, I can't see Warren surviving debates with Trump. Basically she has to convince Obama->Trump supporters she is authentic, fat chance0 -
Quite likely IMO. The police stood off rather too far.EPG said:One would assume the flag business is the work of PRC agents provocateurs
Incidentally there is this interesting new series coming soon, on the Opium War, and the trade in coolies. Sounds interesting. Kapur is a great film maker.
https://www.thestatesman.com/entertainment/shekhar-kapur-helm-tv-series-amitav-ghoshs-acclaimed-ibis-trilogy-1502740691.html0 -
You’re a parody.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
That flag is widely respected in Hong Kong. It stands for everything that is good in Hong Kong, as compared to the blood stained cloth of the Peking ghouls. Long may it fly over the bay.EPG said:One would assume the flag business is the work of PRC agents provocateurs
Whatever about Harris or Biden, I can't see Warren surviving debates with Trump. Basically she has to convince Obama->Trump supporters she is authentic, fat chance
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It being respected or not was not the point, I suspect. But rather that its appearance will make it easier to dismiss the protestors. It's not like all of Hong Kong is behind them.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
That flag is widely respected in Hong Kong. It stands for everything that is good in Hong Kong, as compared to the blood stained cloth of the Peking ghouls. Long may it fly over the bay.EPG said:One would assume the flag business is the work of PRC agents provocateurs
Whatever about Harris or Biden, I can't see Warren surviving debates with Trump. Basically she has to convince Obama->Trump supporters she is authentic, fat chance0 -
An Independent Scotland would be a basketcase. All Scots should be considering betting on an Independent Scotland once the markets are up as "Independence Insurance"StuartDickson said:
Absolute nonsense.Luckyguy1983 said:
An independent Scotland would require significant financial support. Whether it would get it is another question entirely.williamglenn said:
Scotland.Luckyguy1983 said:
Country?Mexicanpete said:
Source?Luckyguy1983 said:
No country wants to join the EU unless they need the money.Gallowgate said:
There will be those of the view that no matter the end result, the Brexit will never be hard enough. There will be those who want to rejoin the EU. There will be those who want to rejoin EEA/The Single Market.Luckyguy1983 said:
Of course it won't. Our relationship with the continent will continue to be a big issue - as it has always been.Gallowgate said:
What is wrong with you people? Brexit does not 'end' once(if) we leave. This will dominate British politics for the next 20 years.kjohnw said:
People are kidding themselves if they think this all goes away.0 -
Does the flag of HK freedom make you cringe with post-colonial guilt?Gallowgate said:
You’re a parody.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
That flag is widely respected in Hong Kong. It stands for everything that is good in Hong Kong, as compared to the blood stained cloth of the Peking ghouls. Long may it fly over the bay.EPG said:One would assume the flag business is the work of PRC agents provocateurs
Whatever about Harris or Biden, I can't see Warren surviving debates with Trump. Basically she has to convince Obama->Trump supporters she is authentic, fat chance
Oh my. Keep hold of your handbag because it is here to stay.0 -
Obvious gag being, how many of those answering the poll were high at the time?Sunil_Prasannan said:
https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/evening-standard-comment-legalisation-of-cannabis-our-major-investigation-london-s-new-museum-a4179351.htmlTheScreamingEagles said:
Yes a reminder of the UK's shameful role in the global drugs war.Viceroy_of_Orange said:Powerful image.
https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon/status/1145712724623745025
#SayNoToDrugs
Is it time to make cannabis legal in the UK? Today, the Evening Standard launches a major investigation to find the right answer.
[..]
Our exclusive poll today says 63 per cent of Londoners and 47 per cent of people across the UK are in favour — with less than a third against.0 -
I had nothing to do with colonialism mate and neither did you.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
Does the flag of HK freedom make you cringe with post-colonial guilt?Gallowgate said:
You’re a parody.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
That flag is widely respected in Hong Kong. It stands for everything that is good in Hong Kong, as compared to the blood stained cloth of the Peking ghouls. Long may it fly over the bay.EPG said:One would assume the flag business is the work of PRC agents provocateurs
Whatever about Harris or Biden, I can't see Warren surviving debates with Trump. Basically she has to convince Obama->Trump supporters she is authentic, fat chance
Oh my. Keep hold of your handbag because it is here to stay.0 -
Then what is your apparent problem with the HK Ensign?Gallowgate said:
I had nothing to do with colonialism mate and neither did you.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
Does the flag of HK freedom make you cringe with post-colonial guilt?Gallowgate said:
You’re a parody.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
That flag is widely respected in Hong Kong. It stands for everything that is good in Hong Kong, as compared to the blood stained cloth of the Peking ghouls. Long may it fly over the bay.EPG said:One would assume the flag business is the work of PRC agents provocateurs
Whatever about Harris or Biden, I can't see Warren surviving debates with Trump. Basically she has to convince Obama->Trump supporters she is authentic, fat chance
Oh my. Keep hold of your handbag because it is here to stay.0 -
We were hardly standing up to them before!Foxy said:
Oh, I agree. It is just that after Brexit, beggars cannot be choosers.Casino_Royale said:
China have brought this on themselves by trying to chip away at the Sino-British Joint Declaration and the rights of the Hong Kong people.Foxy said:
I cannot see that being good for Sino-UK relations. Reminders of the century of national humiliation.Viceroy_of_Orange said:Powerful image.
https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon/status/1145712724623745025
I’m a bit tired of our cowardly failure to stand up to China on this and I agree with Chris Patten that it’s a case of national honour to challenge them to uphold their side of the agreement.
I wonder what stance Camborne would have taken? At one point they talked about being China's best friend in the west.0 -
It's odds-on the flag was planted there by the Chinese authorities to discredit the protestors.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
Then what is your apparent problem with the HK Ensign?Gallowgate said:
I had nothing to do with colonialism mate and neither did you.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
Does the flag of HK freedom make you cringe with post-colonial guilt?Gallowgate said:
You’re a parody.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
That flag is widely respected in Hong Kong. It stands for everything that is good in Hong Kong, as compared to the blood stained cloth of the Peking ghouls. Long may it fly over the bay.EPG said:One would assume the flag business is the work of PRC agents provocateurs
Whatever about Harris or Biden, I can't see Warren surviving debates with Trump. Basically she has to convince Obama->Trump supporters she is authentic, fat chance
Oh my. Keep hold of your handbag because it is here to stay.0 -
Perhaps that story should have been read in conjunction with this one - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nhs-opens-its-first-clinic-to-treat-cannabis-psychosis-85pw6xpmpkle4 said:
Obvious gag being, how many of those answering the poll were high at the time?Sunil_Prasannan said:
https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/evening-standard-comment-legalisation-of-cannabis-our-major-investigation-london-s-new-museum-a4179351.htmlTheScreamingEagles said:
Yes a reminder of the UK's shameful role in the global drugs war.Viceroy_of_Orange said:Powerful image.
https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon/status/1145712724623745025
#SayNoToDrugs
Is it time to make cannabis legal in the UK? Today, the Evening Standard launches a major investigation to find the right answer.
[..]
Our exclusive poll today says 63 per cent of Londoners and 47 per cent of people across the UK are in favour — with less than a third against.0 -
Total nonsense. You probably believe Trump is a Russian plant too.Benpointer said:
It's odds-on the flag was planted there by the Chinese authorities to discredit the protestors.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
Then what is your apparent problem with the HK Ensign?Gallowgate said:
I had nothing to do with colonialism mate and neither did you.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
Does the flag of HK freedom make you cringe with post-colonial guilt?Gallowgate said:
You’re a parody.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
That flag is widely respected in Hong Kong. It stands for everything that is good in Hong Kong, as compared to the blood stained cloth of the Peking ghouls. Long may it fly over the bay.EPG said:One would assume the flag business is the work of PRC agents provocateurs
Whatever about Harris or Biden, I can't see Warren surviving debates with Trump. Basically she has to convince Obama->Trump supporters she is authentic, fat chance
Oh my. Keep hold of your handbag because it is here to stay.
Examine footage from the protests and it has been seen time and time again in the crowds. Even before the protests, it appears every year at a march over the whole issue.0 -
Why? I support legalisation, doesn't mean I cannot joke about it, and if one doesn't support it one can joke about it.Cyclefree said:
Perhaps that story should have been read in conjunction with this one - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nhs-opens-its-first-clinic-to-treat-cannabis-psychosis-85pw6xpmpkle4 said:
Obvious gag being, how many of those answering the poll were high at the time?Sunil_Prasannan said:
https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/evening-standard-comment-legalisation-of-cannabis-our-major-investigation-london-s-new-museum-a4179351.htmlTheScreamingEagles said:
Yes a reminder of the UK's shameful role in the global drugs war.Viceroy_of_Orange said:Powerful image.
https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon/status/1145712724623745025
#SayNoToDrugs
Is it time to make cannabis legal in the UK? Today, the Evening Standard launches a major investigation to find the right answer.
[..]
Our exclusive poll today says 63 per cent of Londoners and 47 per cent of people across the UK are in favour — with less than a third against.0 -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_tradeFoxy said:
Honour in Imperial times was often sold quite cheaply.kle4 said:
Honour is cheap. We don't want to annoy the chinese as the 21st century rolls on. Given what they get away with with the rest of their people I cannot see that an honourable stand about them keeping to their word on Hong Kong will achieve anything. Sad, but they are on their own, facing a juggernaut.Casino_Royale said:
China have brought this on themselves by trying to chip away at the Sino-British Joint Declaration and the rights of the Hong Kong people.Foxy said:
I cannot see that being good for Sino-UK relations. Reminders of the century of national humiliation.Viceroy_of_Orange said:Powerful image.
https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon/status/1145712724623745025
I’m a bit tired of our cowardly failure to stand up to China on this and I agree with Chris Patten that it’s a case of national honour to challenge them to uphold their side of the agreement.
Hence the Arab saying, "It is better to be an enemy of the British than a friend, as they buy their enemies and sell their friends".0 -
No one is saying Cannabis is harmless, but Alcohol isn't harmless either but we accept that most people use it sensibly so it remains legal, despite all the problems it causes.Cyclefree said:
Perhaps that story should have been read in conjunction with this one - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nhs-opens-its-first-clinic-to-treat-cannabis-psychosis-85pw6xpmp
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Delaware voted for Nixon in 1972 and Bush Snr in 1988, Massachusetts voted for McGovern and DukakisFoxy said:
Biden is Senator for the left liberal state of Delaware is he not?HYUFD said:
Elizabeth Warren is a Senator from Massachusetts, about the most left liberal state in the US and is pitching to the cultural and economic left.williamglenn said:
Elizabeth Warren is from Oklahoma and is pitching for the swing middle class voters needed to win in 2020. Biden is a serial loser for a reason and I think Trump would get the better of him too.HYUFD said:
If it is Warren v Harris Trump will be laughing all the way to re election, he probably wins the popular vote against either as well as likely increasing his Electoral College margin.kinabalu said:Warren vs Kamala in debate will be very interesting. Looking forward to that. If the Dem race boils down to these two I will be happy and relaxed. Trump is toast against either but IMO marginally more crisp and burnt if the junior senator from California gets the nod. The fact that she is my main bet has absolutely nothing to do with this assessment. It is 100% objective based on the evidence of my eyes and ears.
If the Democrats really think two liberal coastal elitists stand a better chance of beating Trump in the Electoral College than a charismatic centrist from rustbelt Pennsylvania like Joe Biden then they deserve to lose in 2020
Biden won 2 presidential elections with Obama and was re elected as Senator from Delaware in the 1980s even when Reagan and Bush Snr won the state0 -
Yeah: because of course the Arab world was full of straight dealing....Sunil_Prasannan said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_tradeFoxy said:
Honour in Imperial times was often sold quite cheaply.kle4 said:
Honour is cheap. We don't want to annoy the chinese as the 21st century rolls on. Given what they get away with with the rest of their people I cannot see that an honourable stand about them keeping to their word on Hong Kong will achieve anything. Sad, but they are on their own, facing a juggernaut.Casino_Royale said:
China have brought this on themselves by trying to chip away at the Sino-British Joint Declaration and the rights of the Hong Kong people.Foxy said:
I cannot see that being good for Sino-UK relations. Reminders of the century of national humiliation.Viceroy_of_Orange said:Powerful image.
https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon/status/1145712724623745025
I’m a bit tired of our cowardly failure to stand up to China on this and I agree with Chris Patten that it’s a case of national honour to challenge them to uphold their side of the agreement.
Hence the Arab saying, "It is better to be an enemy of the British than a friend, as they buy their enemies and sell their friends".
The British behaved like every other top dog: they did what they could get away with. Just as every other Imperial power has behaved.0 -
Wait, Futurama was right about that, just off by 30 years?HYUFD said:
Delaware voted for Nixon in 2972Foxy said:
Biden is Senator for the left liberal state of Delaware is he not?HYUFD said:
Elizabeth Warren is a Senator from Massachusetts, about the most left liberal state in the US and is pitching to the cultural and economic left.williamglenn said:
Elizabeth Warren is from Oklahoma and is pitching for the swing middle class voters needed to win in 2020. Biden is a serial loser for a reason and I think Trump would get the better of him too.HYUFD said:
If it is Warren v Harris Trump will be laughing all the way to re election, he probably wins the popular vote against either as well as likely increasing his Electoral College margin.kinabalu said:Warren vs Kamala in debate will be very interesting. Looking forward to that. If the Dem race boils down to these two I will be happy and relaxed. Trump is toast against either but IMO marginally more crisp and burnt if the junior senator from California gets the nod. The fact that she is my main bet has absolutely nothing to do with this assessment. It is 100% objective based on the evidence of my eyes and ears.
If the Democrats really think two liberal coastal elitists stand a better chance of beating Trump in the Electoral College than a charismatic centrist from rustbelt Pennsylvania like Joe Biden then they deserve to lose in 2020
Biden won 2 presidential elections with Obama and was re elected as Senator from Delaware in the 1980s even when Reagan and Bush Snr won the state
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kle4 said:
Why? I support legalisation, doesn't mean I cannot joke about it.Cyclefree said:
Perhaps that story should have been read in conjunction with this one - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nhs-opens-its-first-clinic-to-treat-cannabis-psychosis-85pw6xpmpkle4 said:
Obvious gag being, how many of those answering the poll were high at the time?Sunil_Prasannan said:
https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/evening-standard-comment-legalisation-of-cannabis-our-major-investigation-london-s-new-museum-a4179351.htmlTheScreamingEagles said:
Yes a reminder of the UK's shameful role in the global drugs war.Viceroy_of_Orange said:Powerful image.
https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon/status/1145712724623745025
#SayNoToDrugs
Is it time to make cannabis legal in the UK? Today, the Evening Standard launches a major investigation to find the right answer.
[..]
Our exclusive poll today says 63 per cent of Londoners and 47 per cent of people across the UK are in favour — with less than a third against.
I wasn't referring to your joke. But to the ES story which might have been better journalism if it had referred to the NHS decision.0 -
You mean like the tanks planted in Tiananmen Square in 1989?Benpointer said:
It's odds-on the flag was planted there by the Chinese authorities to discredit the protestors.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
Then what is your apparent problem with the HK Ensign?Gallowgate said:
I had nothing to do with colonialism mate and neither did you.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
Does the flag of HK freedom make you cringe with post-colonial guilt?Gallowgate said:
You’re a parody.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
That flag is widely respected in Hong Kong. It stands for everything that is good in Hong Kong, as compared to the blood stained cloth of the Peking ghouls. Long may it fly over the bay.EPG said:One would assume the flag business is the work of PRC agents provocateurs
Whatever about Harris or Biden, I can't see Warren surviving debates with Trump. Basically she has to convince Obama->Trump supporters she is authentic, fat chance
Oh my. Keep hold of your handbag because it is here to stay.1 -
Because you get off on old colonial symbols and terminology like ‘Peking’.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
Then what is your apparent problem with the HK Ensign?Gallowgate said:
I had nothing to do with colonialism mate and neither did you.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
Does the flag of HK freedom make you cringe with post-colonial guilt?Gallowgate said:
You’re a parody.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
That flag is widely respected in Hong Kong. It stands for everything that is good in Hong Kong, as compared to the blood stained cloth of the Peking ghouls. Long may it fly over the bay.EPG said:One would assume the flag business is the work of PRC agents provocateurs
Whatever about Harris or Biden, I can't see Warren surviving debates with Trump. Basically she has to convince Obama->Trump supporters she is authentic, fat chance
Oh my. Keep hold of your handbag because it is here to stay.
I bet you still call Zimbabwe Rhodesia.0 -
It’ll be a default setting that’s changed in the browser. Most likely something about loading third-party content or third-party plugins.GIN1138 said:Oh well this is odd.
Am posting to PB with Firefox where Vanilla embed is loading just fine but embed isn't loading with Google Chrome?1 -
The strong do what they can while the weak suffer what they must. Britain chose to weaken itself when it left the EU. You willed Britain’s increased impotence when you chose to support Brexit.Casino_Royale said:
Sorry, I think that’s rank cowardice.kle4 said:
Honour is cheap. We don't want to annoy the chinese as the 21st century rolls on. Given what they get away with with the rest of their people I cannot see that an honourable stand about them keeping to their word on Hong Kong will achieve anything. Sad, but they are on their own, facing a juggernaut.Casino_Royale said:
China have brought this on themselves by trying to chip away at the Sino-British Joint Declaration and the rights of the Hong Kong people.Foxy said:
I cannot see that being good for Sino-UK relations. Reminders of the century of national humiliation.Viceroy_of_Orange said:Powerful image.
https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon/status/1145712724623745025
I’m a bit tired of our cowardly failure to stand up to China on this and I agree with Chris Patten that it’s a case of national honour to challenge them to uphold their side of the agreement.
Since when did standing up for anything worthwhile come without a price?
That’s not the sort of nation we are. There will be no victory or benefit in the long term from avoiding the issue in the hope of a few extra quid of investment or so we can continue to be able to buy cheap plastic ducks. We will earn their contempt, and rightly so.
Either we stand up and fight for our values or we are nothing.
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California voted for Nixon, Bush and Reagan.HYUFD said:
Delaware voted for Nixon in 1972 and Bush Snr in 1988, Massachusetts voted for McGovern and DukakisFoxy said:
Biden is Senator for the left liberal state of Delaware is he not?HYUFD said:
Elizabeth Warren is a Senator from Massachusetts, about the most left liberal state in the US and is pitching to the cultural and economic left.williamglenn said:
Elizabeth Warren is from Oklahoma and is pitching for the swing middle class voters needed to win in 2020. Biden is a serial loser for a reason and I think Trump would get the better of him too.HYUFD said:
If it is Warren v Harris Trump will be laughing all the way to re election, he probably wins the popular vote against either as well as likely increasing his Electoral College margin.kinabalu said:Warren vs Kamala in debate will be very interesting. Looking forward to that. If the Dem race boils down to these two I will be happy and relaxed. Trump is toast against either but IMO marginally more crisp and burnt if the junior senator from California gets the nod. The fact that she is my main bet has absolutely nothing to do with this assessment. It is 100% objective based on the evidence of my eyes and ears.
If the Democrats really think two liberal coastal elitists stand a better chance of beating Trump in the Electoral College than a charismatic centrist from rustbelt Pennsylvania like Joe Biden then they deserve to lose in 2020
Biden won 2 presidential elections with Obama and was re elected as Senator from Delaware in the 1980s even when Reagan and Bush Snr won the state0 -
Contemporaneous with the British Indian Coolie trade.Sunil_Prasannan said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_tradeFoxy said:
Honour in Imperial times was often sold quite cheaply.kle4 said:
Honour is cheap. We don't want to annoy the chinese as the 21st century rolls on. Given what they get away with with the rest of their people I cannot see that an honourable stand about them keeping to their word on Hong Kong will achieve anything. Sad, but they are on their own, facing a juggernaut.Casino_Royale said:
China have brought this on themselves by trying to chip away at the Sino-British Joint Declaration and the rights of the Hong Kong people.Foxy said:
I cannot see that being good for Sino-UK relations. Reminders of the century of national humiliation.Viceroy_of_Orange said:Powerful image.
https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon/status/1145712724623745025
I’m a bit tired of our cowardly failure to stand up to China on this and I agree with Chris Patten that it’s a case of national honour to challenge them to uphold their side of the agreement.
Hence the Arab saying, "It is better to be an enemy of the British than a friend, as they buy their enemies and sell their friends".0 -
Too many names for him to remember ?Scott_P said:1 -
Surely nobody calls Zimbabwe Rhodesia?Gallowgate said:
Because you get off on old colonial symbols and terminology like ‘Peking’.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
Then what is your apparent problem with the HK Ensign?Gallowgate said:
I had nothing to do with colonialism mate and neither did you.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
Does the flag of HK freedom make you cringe with post-colonial guilt?Gallowgate said:
You’re a parody.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
That flag is widely respected in Hong Kong. It stands for everything that is good in Hong Kong, as compared to the blood stained cloth of the Peking ghouls. Long may it fly over the bay.EPG said:One would assume the flag business is the work of PRC agents provocateurs
Whatever about Harris or Biden, I can't see Warren surviving debates with Trump. Basically she has to convince Obama->Trump supporters she is authentic, fat chance
Oh my. Keep hold of your handbag because it is here to stay.
I bet you still call Zimbabwe Rhodesia.
It was only ever Southern Rhodesia.0 -
These pesky sensible people get everywhere.HYUFD said:
Even some of the ostensible Tories and Labour supporters on PB are basically LDsBenpointer said:
Blimey, are there more Lib Dem members on PB than non-members?!Andy_Cooke said:
Me neither, but it's a great difficult decision to have.stodge said:
When I saw them last Monday, I also thought they were both very good. Davey is the more "activist" of the two with a proven track record in SW London and he's more in the Ashdown/Farron mode - plenty of energy and speaks to the activists but that is limiting.Roger said:OT Just seen the CH4 debate between Swinson and Davey. First time I've really seen Swinson. Liked them both. Great contrast to the trully horrible Tory obsessives. For Me Swinson just edged it. Slightly more presence and a Scottish accent is a big positive. I also liked the subtle choice of wearing yellow.
Jo Swinson seems able to speak to the wider audience and would of course be the contrast to Johnson, Corbyn and even Farage. That's not a reason in and of itself for her to be Party leader of course but the LDs don't have the luxury of picking a leader that suits us but a leader likely to reach out to voters beyond the 20% (or 30%, or 10% or whatever).
I'm not finding this an easy decision at all.0 -
Stories like that just make me think 'how would I know what the right sized Cabinet is anyway?'. Is it too large at the moment? Not large enough? I'd have no idea.Scott_P said:
Allows him to show he is prepared to tackle waste even as it applies to government offices, and that he is not concerned about handing out lots of prize places to get votes though.0 -
Slavery was abolished in Saudi and Yemen as recently as 1962, Oman in 1970, Mauretania 2007.Foxy said:
Contemporaneous with the British Indian Coolie trade.Sunil_Prasannan said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_tradeFoxy said:
Honour in Imperial times was often sold quite cheaply.kle4 said:
Honour is cheap. We don't want to annoy the chinese as the 21st century rolls on. Given what they get away with with the rest of their people I cannot see that an honourable stand about them keeping to their word on Hong Kong will achieve anything. Sad, but they are on their own, facing a juggernaut.Casino_Royale said:
China have brought this on themselves by trying to chip away at the Sino-British Joint Declaration and the rights of the Hong Kong people.Foxy said:
I cannot see that being good for Sino-UK relations. Reminders of the century of national humiliation.Viceroy_of_Orange said:Powerful image.
https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon/status/1145712724623745025
I’m a bit tired of our cowardly failure to stand up to China on this and I agree with Chris Patten that it’s a case of national honour to challenge them to uphold their side of the agreement.
Hence the Arab saying, "It is better to be an enemy of the British than a friend, as they buy their enemies and sell their friends".0 -
If you say so, but do you really think we'd act any differently if we remain in the EU? If it is a moral issue we'd have their backing regardless, surely?AlastairMeeks said:
The strong do what they can while the weak suffer what they must. Britain chose to weaken itself when it left the EU. You willed Britain’s increased impotence when you chose to support Brexit.Casino_Royale said:
Sorry, I think that’s rank cowardice.kle4 said:
Honour is cheap. We don't want to annoy the chinese as the 21st century rolls on. Given what they get away with with the rest of their people I cannot see that an honourable stand about them keeping to their word on Hong Kong will achieve anything. Sad, but they are on their own, facing a juggernaut.Casino_Royale said:
China have brought this on themselves by trying to chip away at the Sino-British Joint Declaration and the rights of the Hong Kong people.Foxy said:
I cannot see that being good for Sino-UK relations. Reminders of the century of national humiliation.Viceroy_of_Orange said:Powerful image.
https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon/status/1145712724623745025
I’m a bit tired of our cowardly failure to stand up to China on this and I agree with Chris Patten that it’s a case of national honour to challenge them to uphold their side of the agreement.
Since when did standing up for anything worthwhile come without a price?
That’s not the sort of nation we are. There will be no victory or benefit in the long term from avoiding the issue in the hope of a few extra quid of investment or so we can continue to be able to buy cheap plastic ducks. We will earn their contempt, and rightly so.
Either we stand up and fight for our values or we are nothing.0 -
Cannabis usage has a fairly significant part in our youth mental illness crisis.Cyclefree said:
Perhaps that story should have been read in conjunction with this one - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nhs-opens-its-first-clinic-to-treat-cannabis-psychosis-85pw6xpmpkle4 said:
Obvious gag being, how many of those answering the poll were high at the time?Sunil_Prasannan said:
https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/evening-standard-comment-legalisation-of-cannabis-our-major-investigation-london-s-new-museum-a4179351.htmlTheScreamingEagles said:
Yes a reminder of the UK's shameful role in the global drugs war.Viceroy_of_Orange said:Powerful image.
https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon/status/1145712724623745025
#SayNoToDrugs
Is it time to make cannabis legal in the UK? Today, the Evening Standard launches a major investigation to find the right answer.
[..]
Our exclusive poll today says 63 per cent of Londoners and 47 per cent of people across the UK are in favour — with less than a third against.
It is why I oppose legalisation, but do support decriminalistion with boosted treatment, like Portugal.0 -
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Well, I've not seen it in footage I've watched - if you want to post a link I'm prepared to be persuaded I'm wrong.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
Total nonsense. You probably believe Trump is a Russian plant too.Benpointer said:
It's odds-on the flag was planted there by the Chinese authorities to discredit the protestors.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
Then what is your apparent problem with the HK Ensign?Gallowgate said:
I had nothing to do with colonialism mate and neither did you.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
Does the flag of HK freedom make you cringe with post-colonial guilt?Gallowgate said:
You’re a parody.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
That flag is widely respected in Hong Kong. It stands for everything that is good in Hong Kong, as compared to the blood stained cloth of the Peking ghouls. Long may it fly over the bay.EPG said:One would assume the flag business is the work of PRC agents provocateurs
Whatever about Harris or Biden, I can't see Warren surviving debates with Trump. Basically she has to convince Obama->Trump supporters she is authentic, fat chance
Oh my. Keep hold of your handbag because it is here to stay.
Examine footage from the protests and it has been seen time and time again in the crowds. Even before the protests, it appears every year at a march over the whole issue.0 -
And better legalised and regulated - which might well do more to address the health issues. Legalisation need not mean a free for all.CatMan said:
No one is saying Cannabis is harmless, but Alcohol isn't harmless either but we accept that most people use it sensibly so it remains legal, despite all the problems it causes.Cyclefree said:
Perhaps that story should have been read in conjunction with this one - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nhs-opens-its-first-clinic-to-treat-cannabis-psychosis-85pw6xpmp
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So I take it then that you refer to Paris as Paree, Seville as Sevilla, Prague as Praha and Moscow as Mosckva? If not, why are you being inconsistent? Either you insist on using the native names for all, most of which have totally different sounds in native languages, or do not. I prefer using the names on my own language.Gallowgate said:
Because you get off on old colonial symbols and terminology like ‘Peking’.
I bet you still call Zimbabwe Rhodesia.
Most of the time anyway, the people who re-name cities or places aren't particulary nice. If you go to Bombay, as I have, you'll notice that many Indians shun the extreme nationalist (invented) name of Mumbai, and still call it Bombay.
I wouldn't call Zimbabwe Rhodesia though. That's an insult to Rhodesia.
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Agreed. Legalised, regulated and taxed (to help cover the health costs) - that's the way to go.Nigelb said:
And better legalised and regulated - which might well do more to address the health issues. Legalisation need not mean a free for all.CatMan said:
No one is saying Cannabis is harmless, but Alcohol isn't harmless either but we accept that most people use it sensibly so it remains legal, despite all the problems it causes.Cyclefree said:
Perhaps that story should have been read in conjunction with this one - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nhs-opens-its-first-clinic-to-treat-cannabis-psychosis-85pw6xpmp0 -
Plenty of people do (at least when referring to its past).ydoethur said:
Surely nobody calls Zimbabwe Rhodesia?Gallowgate said:
Because you get off on old colonial symbols and terminology like ‘Peking’.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
Then what is your apparent problem with the HK Ensign?Gallowgate said:
I had nothing to do with colonialism mate and neither did you.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
Does the flag of HK freedom make you cringe with post-colonial guilt?Gallowgate said:
You’re a parody.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
That flag is widely respected in Hong Kong. It stands for everything that is good in Hong Kong, as compared to the blood stained cloth of the Peking ghouls. Long may it fly over the bay.EPG said:One would assume the flag business is the work of PRC agents provocateurs
Whatever about Harris or Biden, I can't see Warren surviving debates with Trump. Basically she has to convince Obama->Trump supporters she is authentic, fat chance
Oh my. Keep hold of your handbag because it is here to stay.
I bet you still call Zimbabwe Rhodesia.
It was only ever Southern Rhodesia.0 -
Typo in the title0
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I believe he was a Labour man until the 1979 parliament!JackW said:
But which of the losing candidates did OGH Snr support in the 1967 Liberal leadership election - Eric Lubbock or Emlyn Hooson?rcs1000 said:
So you were the guy who voted for Alan Beith!MikeSmithson said:
I have now voted. Given that I have supported losers in every single leadership election in the party's history I won't reveal my choice for thr moment.stodge said:
When I saw them last Monday, I also thought they were both very good. Davey is the more "activist" of the two with a proven track record in SW London and he's more in the Ashdown/Farron mode - plenty of energy and speaks to the activists but that is limiting.Roger said:OT Just seen the CH4 debate between Swinson and Davey. First time I've really seen Swinson. Liked them both. Great contrast to the trully horrible Tory obsessives. For Me Swinson just edged it. Slightly more presence and a Scottish accent is a big positive. I also liked the subtle choice of wearing yellow.
Jo Swinson seems able to speak to the wider audience and would of course be the contrast to Johnson, Corbyn and even Farage. That's not a reason in and of itself for her to be Party leader of course but the LDs don't have the luxury of picking a leader that suits us but a leader likely to reach out to voters beyond the 20% (or 30%, or 10% or whatever).
I'm not finding this an easy decision at all.0 -
Not sure what I think about the issue, but do people like the Standard periodically dumping all news coverage onto page 7 onwards and devoting the first part of the paper entirely to a new campaign idea? I can't really complain as it's free, but I mainly get newspapers to read news - if I want their opinion on something I'll read the editorial or buy a magazine.Cyclefree said:
I wasn't referring to your joke. But to the ES story which might have been better journalism if it had referred to the NHS decision.0 -
That was intended as sarcasm.kle4 said:
Plenty of people do (at least when referring to its past).ydoethur said:
Surely nobody calls Zimbabwe Rhodesia?Gallowgate said:
Because you get off on old colonial symbols and terminology like ‘Peking’.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
Then what is your apparent problem with the HK Ensign?Gallowgate said:
I had nothing to do with colonialism mate and neither did you.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
Does the flag of HK freedom make you cringe with post-colonial guilt?Gallowgate said:
You’re a parody.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
That flag is widely respected in Hong Kong. It stands for everything that is good in Hong Kong, as compared to the blood stained cloth of the Peking ghouls. Long may it fly over the bay.EPG said:One would assume the flag business is the work of PRC agents provocateurs
Whatever about Harris or Biden, I can't see Warren surviving debates with Trump. Basically she has to convince Obama->Trump supporters she is authentic, fat chance
Oh my. Keep hold of your handbag because it is here to stay.
I bet you still call Zimbabwe Rhodesia.
It was only ever Southern Rhodesia.
It appears not to have quite hit its mark.
The point is it was only called 'Rhodesia' when in rebellion under Smith. When under British control before and after it was Southern Rhodesia.0 -
Rhodesia is not the native name. The borders of what is now Zimbabwe were imposed by people from an entirely different continent with no concerns for local culture or geography and when the native people regained control they gave it the most appropriate name they could find, that of an ancient empire within its borders, rather than keeping the name of a guy from a very long way away who happened to conquer them a century earlier.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
So I take it then that you refer to Paris as Paree, Seville as Sevilla, Prague as Praha and Moscow as Mosckva? If not, why are you being inconsistent? Either you insist on using the native names for all, most of which have totally different sounds in native languages, or do not. I prefer using the names on my own language.Gallowgate said:
Because you get off on old colonial symbols and terminology like ‘Peking’.
I bet you still call Zimbabwe Rhodesia.
Most of the time anyway, the people who re-name cities or places aren't particulary nice. If you go to Bombay, as I have, you'll notice that many Indians shun the extreme nationalist (invented) name of Mumbai, and still call it Bombay.
I wouldn't call Zimbabwe Rhodesia though. That's an insult to Rhodesia.0 -
After UDI it was just "Rhodesia"ydoethur said:
Surely nobody calls Zimbabwe Rhodesia?Gallowgate said:
Because you get off on old colonial symbols and terminology like ‘Peking’.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
Then what is your apparent problem with the HK Ensign?Gallowgate said:
I had nothing to do with colonialism mate and neither did you.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
Does the flag of HK freedom make you cringe with post-colonial guilt?Gallowgate said:
You’re a parody.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
That flag is widely respected in Hong Kong. It stands for everything that is good in Hong Kong, as compared to the blood stained cloth of the Peking ghouls. Long may it fly over the bay.EPG said:One would assume the flag business is the work of PRC agents provocateurs
Whatever about Harris or Biden, I can't see Warren surviving debates with Trump. Basically she has to convince Obama->Trump supporters she is authentic, fat chance
Oh my. Keep hold of your handbag because it is here to stay.
I bet you still call Zimbabwe Rhodesia.
It was only ever Southern Rhodesia.0 -
California as a whole is not left liberal, San Francisco and the Bay area is, even McGovern won there, southern California though is in parts quite conservativeNigelb said:
California voted for Nixon, Bush and Reagan.HYUFD said:
Delaware voted for Nixon in 1972 and Bush Snr in 1988, Massachusetts voted for McGovern and DukakisFoxy said:
Biden is Senator for the left liberal state of Delaware is he not?HYUFD said:
Elizabeth Warren is a Senator from Massachusetts, about the most left liberal state in the US and is pitching to the cultural and economic left.williamglenn said:
Elizabeth Warren is from Oklahoma and is pitching for the swing middle class voters needed to win in 2020. Biden is a serial loser for a reason and I think Trump would get the better of him too.HYUFD said:
If it is Warren v Harris Trump will be laughing all the way to re election, he probably wins the popular vote against either as well as likely increasing his Electoral College margin.kinabalu said:Warren vs Kamala in debate will be very interesting. Looking forward to that. If the Dem race boils down to these two I will be happy and relaxed. Trump is toast against either but IMO marginally more crisp and burnt if the junior senator from California gets the nod. The fact that she is my main bet has absolutely nothing to do with this assessment. It is 100% objective based on the evidence of my eyes and ears.
If the Democrats really think two liberal coastal elitists stand a better chance of beating Trump in the Electoral College than a charismatic centrist from rustbelt Pennsylvania like Joe Biden then they deserve to lose in 2020
Biden won 2 presidential elections with Obama and was re elected as Senator from Delaware in the 1980s even when Reagan and Bush Snr won the state
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Perhaps we could swap Scotland for Hong Kong?Viceroy_of_Orange said:Powerful image.
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This Republican Congressman’s comment rather supports that idea...TheScreamingEagles said:
Perhaps I'm over estimating the power of Robert Mueller's testimony to Congress.Alistair said:
Nae chance. The GOP have 100% hitched themselves to the Trump train.TheScreamingEagles said:So my strategy of laying the oldies in this market has proven to be wise.
In the humble opinion of PBers what are the odds of Trump splitting with the GOP and running as an Independent in 2020?
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/451209-gohmert-calls-mueller-an-anal-opening-ahead-of-testimony
“It reinforced the anal opening that I believe Mueller to be.”
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I know I am a minority on here on this (at least based on the last time this topic was debated). But given the harm it does to the young, especially, and knowing from personal experience what psychosis can do to a person, I am not really persuaded that legalisation is some sort of cost free relaxation which no-one can really object to.CatMan said:
No one is saying Cannabis is harmless, but Alcohol isn't harmless either but we accept that most people use it sensibly so it remains legal, despite all the problems it causes.Cyclefree said:
Perhaps that story should have been read in conjunction with this one - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nhs-opens-its-first-clinic-to-treat-cannabis-psychosis-85pw6xpmp
Mental health has become a fashionable cause these days. Hardly a day passes without advice about how to notice it, how to care for it, how to ensure that we don't stress our children, our colleagues, our employees, our students because mental health is important. And yet at the same time we (some of us) seem relaxed about the idea of allowing a product which does cause serious mental health issues to be sold legally to the very same young people whose mental health we worry about.
It does not really compute for me. It strikes me that the level of thinking is (1) the drugs laws aren't working; (2) therefore let's legalise (without noticing that (2) does not necessarily follow from (1)); and (3) since that is what people want to do let's ignore any evidence suggesting that this might not be a good idea for some.
Meanwhile somewhere else in government someone will be talking about how we must look after the mental health of our young people without wondering whether the existing problems with cannabis use might get worse rather than better if it's legalised.
Doubtless we do need a more rational approach to drugs but a bit of joined up thinking on the topic would be good.-1 -
The problem is not the HK ensign. The problem is talking hard and doing fuck all. If we were commited to securing the freedom of the people of Hong Kong we could have chosen to stay there (the expiring part of the lease didn't cover the island) or allow the inhabitants to have passports that allowed them to settle in the UK. Given that neither of these things were done and our present shower of shit in Westminster and Whitehall aren't going to allow a mass immigration of millions of people, then all the UK is going to do is fail and blame, a mode of action it is becoming all too comfortable with.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
Then what is your apparent problem with the HK Ensign?Gallowgate said:
I had nothing to do with colonialism mate and neither did you.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
Does the flag of HK freedom make you cringe with post-colonial guilt?Gallowgate said:
You’re a parody.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
That flag is widely respected in Hong Kong. It stands for everything that is good in Hong Kong, as compared to the blood stained cloth of the Peking ghouls. Long may it fly over the bay.EPG said:One would assume the flag business is the work of PRC agents provocateurs
Whatever about Harris or Biden, I can't see Warren surviving debates with Trump. Basically she has to convince Obama->Trump supporters she is authentic, fat chance
Oh my. Keep hold of your handbag because it is here to stay.0 -
The wheel did not exist there before this guy arrived. So given he and his successors actually built something of merit in an area where there was previously nothing, he has a pretty strong claim to have it named after himself.DougSeal said:
Rhodesia is not the native name. The borders of what is now Zimbabwe were imposed by people from an entirely different continent with no concerns for local culture or geography and when the native people regained control they gave it the most appropriate name they could find, that of an ancient empire within its borders, rather than keeping the name of a guy from a very long way away who happened to conquer them a century earlier.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
So I take it then that you refer to Paris as Paree, Seville as Sevilla, Prague as Praha and Moscow as Mosckva? If not, why are you being inconsistent? Either you insist on using the native names for all, most of which have totally different sounds in native languages, or do not. I prefer using the names on my own language.Gallowgate said:
Because you get off on old colonial symbols and terminology like ‘Peking’.
I bet you still call Zimbabwe Rhodesia.
Most of the time anyway, the people who re-name cities or places aren't particulary nice. If you go to Bombay, as I have, you'll notice that many Indians shun the extreme nationalist (invented) name of Mumbai, and still call it Bombay.
I wouldn't call Zimbabwe Rhodesia though. That's an insult to Rhodesia.
Given it is returning to its previous state of nothingness though, it is fitting to revert to the name Zimbabwe. I will give you that.0 -
Am looking in my Chrome settings now but can't see anything obvious?Sandpit said:
It’ll be a default setting that’s changed in the browser. Most likely something about loading third-party content or third-party plugins.GIN1138 said:Oh well this is odd.
Am posting to PB with Firefox where Vanilla embed is loading just fine but embed isn't loading with Google Chrome?0 -
I agree that our treatment of HK was disgraceful.viewcode said:
The problem is not the HK ensign. The problem is talking hard and doing fuck all. If we were commited to securing the freedom of the people of Hong Kong we could have chosen to stay there (the expiring part of the lease didn't cover the island) or allow the inhabitants to have passports that allowed them to settle in the UK. Given that neither of these things were done and our present shower of shit in Westminster and Whitehall aren't going to allow a mass immigration of millions of people, then all the UK is going to do is fail and blame, a mode of action it is becoming all too comfortable with.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
Then what is your apparent problem with the HK Ensign?Gallowgate said:
I had nothing to do with colonialism mate and neither did you.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
Does the flag of HK freedom make you cringe with post-colonial guilt?Gallowgate said:
You’re a parody.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
That flag is widely respected in Hong Kong. It stands for everything that is good in Hong Kong, as compared to the blood stained cloth of the Peking ghouls. Long may it fly over the bay.EPG said:One would assume the flag business is the work of PRC agents provocateurs
Whatever about Harris or Biden, I can't see Warren surviving debates with Trump. Basically she has to convince Obama->Trump supporters she is authentic, fat chance
Oh my. Keep hold of your handbag because it is here to stay.
Our pathetic leaders are willing to send troops and planes to Syria and Libya, areas where we have absolutely no business, but fold over like cheap deckchairs in the face of China. Gutless fools.0 -
If it is Harris or Warren then I think the Dems will lose, unless they tie up the nomination and then tack to the centre ground as fast as they can, before most voters notice.
End of private med insurance etc etc. Trump will be jumping around the room in anticipation.
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