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Something to cheer us all up.
The cheat David Warner taking one in the knackers.
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"The world's most sophisticated electorate"Gallowgate said:0 -
What is insulting?Gallowgate said:
It's just incredibly insulting to a whole group of our fellow citizens. Grim.Philip_Thompson said:
Is this news to you that Scots were too frit in 2014?Gallowgate said:
Bloody hell.Philip_Thompson said:
Well no as well the English and Welsh were brave enough to go for independence in 2016 the Scots were too frit in 2014 sadly. Shame but there we have it.Foxy said:
Surely it is the Englexit not Brexit then?Philip_Thompson said:
Brexit is more important than the union.TOPPING said:Andrew Neil is absolutely must watch. Mordaunt latest/current casualty.
"Your party has gone bonkers; it thinks Brexit is more important than the Union."
Or while 45% of Scots wanted to end the union is it news to you that some in England feel exactly the same?0 -
Since I now have to suffer with the Phil Collins incarnation of Genesis rattling around my brain, everyone else should too.Foxy said:
And then there were 3...
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Yes well I wonder whether it is, it may well be. God help us (me. Oh, and the country/union).dixiedean said:
The majority view of your fellow Tory members is what it is.TOPPING said:
And there you have it. Absolutely fucking psychotically certifiable lunatic.Philip_Thompson said:
Brexit is more important than the union.TOPPING said:Andrew Neil is absolutely must watch. Mordaunt latest/current casualty.
"Your party has gone bonkers; it thinks Brexit is more important than the Union."0 -
Yep.Philip_Thompson said:
Hello election with all defections replaced as candidates.eek said:
Bye bye majorityPhilip_Thompson said:
Anyone who feels that alienated that they can't vote for any of the FOUR candidates remaining (two leavers and two remainers FWIW) should resign the whip.AlastairMeeks said:
It's the fact that there are Conservative MPs so alienated from the process that they can't pick from the remaining four candidates. That does not bode well for party discipline.TheScreamingEagles said:
Greening, Lee, and Grieve?AlastairMeeks said:If I were Boris Johnson I'd worry about those spoiled ballot papers.
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https://tenor.com/ot83.gifTheScreamingEagles said:Something to cheer us all up.
The cheat David Warner taking one in the knackers.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/cricket/487083790 -
Hello Corbyn as PM...Philip_Thompson said:
Hello election with all defections replaced as candidates.eek said:
Bye bye majorityPhilip_Thompson said:
Anyone who feels that alienated that they can't vote for any of the FOUR candidates remaining (two leavers and two remainers FWIW) should resign the whip.AlastairMeeks said:
It's the fact that there are Conservative MPs so alienated from the process that they can't pick from the remaining four candidates. That does not bode well for party discipline.TheScreamingEagles said:
Greening, Lee, and Grieve?AlastairMeeks said:If I were Boris Johnson I'd worry about those spoiled ballot papers.
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Hello Boris PM with overall majority as BP falls back and Corbyn loses votes to LDsSlackbladder said:
Hello Corbyn as PM...Philip_Thompson said:
Hello election with all defections replaced as candidates.eek said:
Bye bye majorityPhilip_Thompson said:
Anyone who feels that alienated that they can't vote for any of the FOUR candidates remaining (two leavers and two remainers FWIW) should resign the whip.AlastairMeeks said:
It's the fact that there are Conservative MPs so alienated from the process that they can't pick from the remaining four candidates. That does not bode well for party discipline.TheScreamingEagles said:
Greening, Lee, and Grieve?AlastairMeeks said:If I were Boris Johnson I'd worry about those spoiled ballot papers.
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The psychology has to favour Gove. The next vote is between Hunt and Gove and only a fool believes Hunt will give Jonson a run for his money. So all the ABB's will vote Gove. My prediction is Gove to get over 100 this afternoon and come in a clear second
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The fact you are saying that because over 50% of Scots chose to stay in the union with the rest of us it makes them cowards.Philip_Thompson said:
What is insulting?Gallowgate said:
It's just incredibly insulting to a whole group of our fellow citizens. Grim.Philip_Thompson said:
Is this news to you that Scots were too frit in 2014?Gallowgate said:
Bloody hell.Philip_Thompson said:
Well no as well the English and Welsh were brave enough to go for independence in 2016 the Scots were too frit in 2014 sadly. Shame but there we have it.Foxy said:
Surely it is the Englexit not Brexit then?Philip_Thompson said:
Brexit is more important than the union.TOPPING said:Andrew Neil is absolutely must watch. Mordaunt latest/current casualty.
"Your party has gone bonkers; it thinks Brexit is more important than the Union."
Or while 45% of Scots wanted to end the union is it news to you that some in England feel exactly the same?0 -
This is something better to get stuck in your head.AlastairMeeks said:
Since I now have to suffer with the Phil Collins incarnation of Genesis rattling around my brain, everyone else should too.Foxy said:
And then there were 3...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHjieD6CTYs0 -
Hmm an election called next week while the party votes for a leader - that would be real fun....Philip_Thompson said:
Hello election with all defections replaced as candidates.eek said:
Bye bye majorityPhilip_Thompson said:
Anyone who feels that alienated that they can't vote for any of the FOUR candidates remaining (two leavers and two remainers FWIW) should resign the whip.AlastairMeeks said:
It's the fact that there are Conservative MPs so alienated from the process that they can't pick from the remaining four candidates. That does not bode well for party discipline.TheScreamingEagles said:
Greening, Lee, and Grieve?AlastairMeeks said:If I were Boris Johnson I'd worry about those spoiled ballot papers.
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Is a few hours really sufficient to decide which candidate is best to take on Boris?0
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Why for having the same beliefs as others?TOPPING said:
No. It's just you.Philip_Thompson said:
I backed YES in 2014. So why is it lunatic to not desperately want to cling to the union now?TOPPING said:
And there you have it. Absolutely fucking psychotically certifiable lunatic.Philip_Thompson said:
Brexit is more important than the union.TOPPING said:Andrew Neil is absolutely must watch. Mordaunt latest/current casualty.
"Your party has gone bonkers; it thinks Brexit is more important than the Union."
Are malcolmg and his fellow Nats lunatics too?
I am consistent. I want English votes for English laws. I want to leave both unions.0 -
I don't think you can argue that his sentence to Penny Mordaunt was picking holes. It's a statement of opinion. And there is abundant evidence from the last few years that Andrew Neil is enthusiastically pro-Brexit.TOPPING said:
Nah. He is a good journalist. If I asked you, for your day job, to skewer a Remainer you would have no problem in doing so and in picking holes in the Remain argument.AlastairMeeks said:
Since Andrew Neil has for a long time been a fervent Leave advocate, if he has suddenly found his own cherished belief system under attack from the beast that he has fed, he should take a long hard look in the mirror as to how that might have come to pass.TOPPING said:Andrew Neil is absolutely must watch. Mordaunt latest/current casualty.
"Your party has gone bonkers; it thinks Brexit is more important than the Union."
I have often thought that it would be fun, here on PB, to have a day when everyone argues the reverse of what they believe.
He just doesn't like it when others have different priorities to him.0 -
So why would you support the Conservative and Unionist Party?Philip_Thompson said:
Why for having the same beliefs as others?TOPPING said:
No. It's just you.Philip_Thompson said:
I backed YES in 2014. So why is it lunatic to not desperately want to cling to the union now?TOPPING said:
And there you have it. Absolutely fucking psychotically certifiable lunatic.Philip_Thompson said:
Brexit is more important than the union.TOPPING said:Andrew Neil is absolutely must watch. Mordaunt latest/current casualty.
"Your party has gone bonkers; it thinks Brexit is more important than the Union."
Are malcolmg and his fellow Nats lunatics too?
I am consistent. I want English votes for English laws. I want to leave both unions.0 -
If there is an election in the limited time available then Boris won't have had the opportunity to convince TBP that he really means it when he says he is going to leave by Oct 31st and Farage, Widdicombe, et al will be replaying his refusal to guarantee leaving by that date at every available opportunity.HYUFD said:
Hello Boris PM with overall majority as BP falls back and Corbyn loses votes to LDsSlackbladder said:
Hello Corbyn as PM...Philip_Thompson said:
Hello election with all defections replaced as candidates.eek said:
Bye bye majorityPhilip_Thompson said:
Anyone who feels that alienated that they can't vote for any of the FOUR candidates remaining (two leavers and two remainers FWIW) should resign the whip.AlastairMeeks said:
It's the fact that there are Conservative MPs so alienated from the process that they can't pick from the remaining four candidates. That does not bode well for party discipline.TheScreamingEagles said:
Greening, Lee, and Grieve?AlastairMeeks said:If I were Boris Johnson I'd worry about those spoiled ballot papers.
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They fell for Project Fear. That wasn't bravery.Gallowgate said:
The fact you are saying that because over 50% of Scots chose to stay in the union with the rest of us it makes them cowards.Philip_Thompson said:
What is insulting?Gallowgate said:
It's just incredibly insulting to a whole group of our fellow citizens. Grim.Philip_Thompson said:
Is this news to you that Scots were too frit in 2014?Gallowgate said:
Bloody hell.Philip_Thompson said:
Well no as well the English and Welsh were brave enough to go for independence in 2016 the Scots were too frit in 2014 sadly. Shame but there we have it.Foxy said:
Surely it is the Englexit not Brexit then?Philip_Thompson said:
Brexit is more important than the union.TOPPING said:Andrew Neil is absolutely must watch. Mordaunt latest/current casualty.
"Your party has gone bonkers; it thinks Brexit is more important than the Union."
Or while 45% of Scots wanted to end the union is it news to you that some in England feel exactly the same?0 -
Meanwhile, in other news:
No matter what Labour decides to do with regard to a second referendum next week, as things stand it will lose seats. Any party which loses half its vote share in little over six months shouldn’t expect to have any target seats, just defensive positions.
https://medium.com/@ianjohnwarren/labours-dilemma-yes-it-s-shite-fe6035a5f00c?postPublishedType=initial0 -
Tougher than it seems, as young Byronic can attestTOPPING said:
Nah. He is a good journalist. If I asked you, for your day job, to skewer a Remainer you would have no problem in doing so and in picking holes in the Remain argument.AlastairMeeks said:
Since Andrew Neil has for a long time been a fervent Leave advocate, if he has suddenly found his own cherished belief system under attack from the beast that he has fed, he should take a long hard look in the mirror as to how that might have come to pass.TOPPING said:Andrew Neil is absolutely must watch. Mordaunt latest/current casualty.
"Your party has gone bonkers; it thinks Brexit is more important than the Union."
I have often thought that it would be fun, here on PB, to have a day when everyone argues the reverse of what they believe.
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Ruth comes out for Gove.0
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The you cannot call yourself a conservative. It's not called the "Conservative and Unionist Party" for nothing.Philip_Thompson said:
Brexit is more important than the union.TOPPING said:Andrew Neil is absolutely must watch. Mordaunt latest/current casualty.
"Your party has gone bonkers; it thinks Brexit is more important than the Union."0 -
Soot on RogerRoger said:The psychology has to favour Gove. The next vote is between Hunt and Gove and only a fool believes Hunt will give Jonson a run for his money. So all the ABB's will vote Gove. My prediction is Gove to get over 100 this afternoon and come in a clear second
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Wangxit then.Philip_Thompson said:
Well no as well the English and Welsh were brave enough to go for independence in 2016 the Scots were too frit in 2014 sadly. Shame but there we have it.Foxy said:
Surely it is the Englexit not Brexit then?Philip_Thompson said:
Brexit is more important than the union.TOPPING said:Andrew Neil is absolutely must watch. Mordaunt latest/current casualty.
"Your party has gone bonkers; it thinks Brexit is more important than the Union."
Saying it very quickly adds to its aptness..0 -
I'm expecting a clearout of the Great Offices of State, to be replaced by "Bozo's Angels":
Chancellor: The Truss
Home Sec: McVey
Foreign Sec: Patel
Hammond, Hunt, The Saj and of course Gove on the back benches. Rory sat next to Heidi.0 -
I can only conclude that @Philip_Thompson is actually @malcolmg 's alt account, trying to drum up support for Scottish Independence.0
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The Toyota Previa is a fantastic car and anyone who owns one displays a refined sensibility to engineering matters of the highest order.TOPPING said:
Nah. He is a good journalist. If I asked you, for your day job, to skewer a Remainer you would have no problem in doing so and in picking holes in the Remain argument.AlastairMeeks said:
Since Andrew Neil has for a long time been a fervent Leave advocate, if he has suddenly found his own cherished belief system under attack from the beast that he has fed, he should take a long hard look in the mirror as to how that might have come to pass.TOPPING said:Andrew Neil is absolutely must watch. Mordaunt latest/current casualty.
"Your party has gone bonkers; it thinks Brexit is more important than the Union."
I have often thought that it would be fun, here on PB, to have a day when everyone argues the reverse of what they believe.0 -
Yes, half way through the campaign the leader would change! how quickly can a manifesto be rewritten?eek said:
Hmm an election called next week while the party votes for a leader - that would be real fun....Philip_Thompson said:
Hello election with all defections replaced as candidates.eek said:
Bye bye majorityPhilip_Thompson said:
Anyone who feels that alienated that they can't vote for any of the FOUR candidates remaining (two leavers and two remainers FWIW) should resign the whip.AlastairMeeks said:
It's the fact that there are Conservative MPs so alienated from the process that they can't pick from the remaining four candidates. That does not bode well for party discipline.TheScreamingEagles said:
Greening, Lee, and Grieve?AlastairMeeks said:If I were Boris Johnson I'd worry about those spoiled ballot papers.
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OK you want an English Parliament, ditch the Welsh, Scots, Irish, etc. And have England as a unitary nation. Now I see your disdain of the EU in context and it makes perfect sense. You don't just want to put border posts up on the Irish border you want them between us and Scotland and along the Welsh border also.Philip_Thompson said:
Why for having the same beliefs as others?TOPPING said:
No. It's just you.Philip_Thompson said:
I backed YES in 2014. So why is it lunatic to not desperately want to cling to the union now?TOPPING said:
And there you have it. Absolutely fucking psychotically certifiable lunatic.Philip_Thompson said:
Brexit is more important than the union.TOPPING said:Andrew Neil is absolutely must watch. Mordaunt latest/current casualty.
"Your party has gone bonkers; it thinks Brexit is more important than the Union."
Are malcolmg and his fellow Nats lunatics too?
I am consistent. I want English votes for English laws. I want to leave both unions.
It is pure fantasy but your posts are making a lot more sense now.0 -
I am pretty sure Andrew Neil prioritises the Union over Brexit, so I don't think this interview challenges his beliefs.TOPPING said:
Nah. He is a good journalist. If I asked you, for your day job, to skewer a Remainer you would have no problem in doing so and in picking holes in the Remain argument.AlastairMeeks said:
Since Andrew Neil has for a long time been a fervent Leave advocate, if he has suddenly found his own cherished belief system under attack from the beast that he has fed, he should take a long hard look in the mirror as to how that might have come to pass.TOPPING said:Andrew Neil is absolutely must watch. Mordaunt latest/current casualty.
"Your party has gone bonkers; it thinks Brexit is more important than the Union."
I have often thought that it would be fun, here on PB, to have a day when everyone argues the reverse of what they believe.
The issue I have with Neil is that his blatant biases get in the way of his interviews, to the opposite effect to what might be expected. He doesn't engage with people he agrees with, which means their arguments don't get tested. He challenges those he doesn't agree with, but if you stand your ground and argue from first principles you can get a good hearing.0 -
Dislikeable though Gove is remember that last time they locked horns Gove got the better of him. I think he might well do the same again. The more you see of Boris the less competent he looks.HYUFD said:
Gove will sharpen up Boris' answers so he is ready to take on Barnier, Corbyn, Farage, Sturgeon and Swinson or DaveyRoger said:They're going to rip each other to shreads. Even David Davis was run ragged on radio 4 this morning trying to justify Boris's profligacy in London. He was left saying £40 million was 'nothing'
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Far rather Gove tests Boris before Farage and Corbyn and Swinson/Davey doRoger said:
Dislikeable though Gove is remember that last time they locked horns Gove got the better of him. I think he might well do the same again. The more you see of Boris the less competent he looks.HYUFD said:
Gove will sharpen up Boris' answers so he is ready to take on Barnier, Corbyn, Farage, Sturgeon and Swinson or DaveyRoger said:They're going to rip each other to shreads. Even David Davis was run ragged on radio 4 this morning trying to justify Boris's profligacy in London. He was left saying £40 million was 'nothing'
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Currywurst is best accompanied by ketchup and chips and is worthy of several Michelin stars.Dura_Ace said:
The Toyota Previa is a fantastic car and anyone who owns one displays a refined sensibility to engineering matters of the highest order.TOPPING said:
Nah. He is a good journalist. If I asked you, for your day job, to skewer a Remainer you would have no problem in doing so and in picking holes in the Remain argument.AlastairMeeks said:
Since Andrew Neil has for a long time been a fervent Leave advocate, if he has suddenly found his own cherished belief system under attack from the beast that he has fed, he should take a long hard look in the mirror as to how that might have come to pass.TOPPING said:Andrew Neil is absolutely must watch. Mordaunt latest/current casualty.
"Your party has gone bonkers; it thinks Brexit is more important than the Union."
I have often thought that it would be fun, here on PB, to have a day when everyone argues the reverse of what they believe.0 -
That really is an excellent piece.CarlottaVance said:Meanwhile, in other news:
No matter what Labour decides to do with regard to a second referendum next week, as things stand it will lose seats. Any party which loses half its vote share in little over six months shouldn’t expect to have any target seats, just defensive positions.
https://medium.com/@ianjohnwarren/labours-dilemma-yes-it-s-shite-fe6035a5f00c?postPublishedType=initial0 -
You really are batshit crazy.Philip_Thompson said:
Brexit is more important than the union.TOPPING said:Andrew Neil is absolutely must watch. Mordaunt latest/current casualty.
"Your party has gone bonkers; it thinks Brexit is more important than the Union."
"We need Brexit so that the United Kingdom can be Sovereign" went the argument. And now? Bollocks to the Union.
Brexit ends the United Kingdom as a physical entity. Brexit cripples the economy. Brexit destroys the Tory party. And is still cheered on by Tories who insist we need it because the alternative is worse.
What pray tell is this worse alternative if we stay in the EU? A Plague of Locusts? A Manhattan sized asteroid crashing into Milton Keynes? War with France and mandatory snail soup after we lose?0 -
Would actually like to see Gove go through just so Boris could hammer him in the membership ballot. Then again, it would be great to see him eliminated today too.0
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Boris has said Deal or No Deal by October, that wins most BP voters back bar No Deal hardliners.TOPPING said:
If there is an election in the limited time available then Boris won't have had the opportunity to convince TBP that he really means it when he says he is going to leave by Oct 31st and Farage, Widdicombe, et al will be replaying his refusal to guarantee leaving by that date at every available opportunity.HYUFD said:
Hello Boris PM with overall majority as BP falls back and Corbyn loses votes to LDsSlackbladder said:
Hello Corbyn as PM...Philip_Thompson said:
Hello election with all defections replaced as candidates.eek said:
Bye bye majorityPhilip_Thompson said:
Anyone who feels that alienated that they can't vote for any of the FOUR candidates remaining (two leavers and two remainers FWIW) should resign the whip.AlastairMeeks said:
It's the fact that there are Conservative MPs so alienated from the process that they can't pick from the remaining four candidates. That does not bode well for party discipline.TheScreamingEagles said:
Greening, Lee, and Grieve?AlastairMeeks said:If I were Boris Johnson I'd worry about those spoiled ballot papers.
Corbyn likely still leaks Remainers to LDs though even with his vague EUref2 promise0 -
David Mundell is a fi...Christ, no, just no.TOPPING said:
Nah. He is a good journalist. If I asked you, for your day job, to skewer a Remainer you would have no problem in doing so and in picking holes in the Remain argument.AlastairMeeks said:
Since Andrew Neil has for a long time been a fervent Leave advocate, if he has suddenly found his own cherished belief system under attack from the beast that he has fed, he should take a long hard look in the mirror as to how that might have come to pass.TOPPING said:Andrew Neil is absolutely must watch. Mordaunt latest/current casualty.
"Your party has gone bonkers; it thinks Brexit is more important than the Union."
I have often thought that it would be fun, here on PB, to have a day when everyone argues the reverse of what they believe.0 -
If Boris’s administration is run half as well as his leadership bid he is going to surprise on the upside, bigly.0
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Not sure he will and he needs a big first to keep momentum.kinabalu said:
I hope Gove gets through but I am expecting it to be Hunt. Johnson looks to be in a position to engineer that and therefore I think he will.HYUFD said:More Javid voters reported to be going to Gove than Hunt but still close between them
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He's also said the complete opposite, like in his interview with the Evening Standard. You guys are being played for fools.HYUFD said:Boris has said Deal or No Deal by October, that wins most BP voters back bar No Deal hardliners
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Only for a small minority of batshit-crazy Brexit fanatics.Philip_Thompson said:
Brexit is more important than the union.TOPPING said:Andrew Neil is absolutely must watch. Mordaunt latest/current casualty.
"Your party has gone bonkers; it thinks Brexit is more important than the Union."1 -
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He is by all accounts a Brexiter. And today he has driven a coach and horses through two leading Brexiters' arguments and, with the issue of the Union, of Brexit itself. I don't care what he thinks and I believe he is sufficiently professional to separate his own views out anyway.FF43 said:
I am pretty sure Andrew Neil prioritises the Union over Brexit, so I don't think this interview challenges his beliefs.TOPPING said:
Nah. He is a good journalist. If I asked you, for your day job, to skewer a Remainer you would have no problem in doing so and in picking holes in the Remain argument.AlastairMeeks said:
Since Andrew Neil has for a long time been a fervent Leave advocate, if he has suddenly found his own cherished belief system under attack from the beast that he has fed, he should take a long hard look in the mirror as to how that might have come to pass.TOPPING said:Andrew Neil is absolutely must watch. Mordaunt latest/current casualty.
"Your party has gone bonkers; it thinks Brexit is more important than the Union."
I have often thought that it would be fun, here on PB, to have a day when everyone argues the reverse of what they believe.
The issue I have with Neil is that his blatant biases get in the way of his interviews, to the opposite effect to what might be expected. He doesn't engage with people he agrees with, which means their arguments don't get tested. He challenges those he doesn't agree with, but if you stand your ground and argue from first principles you can get a good hearing.
Whatever political debate we have in this country would be a lot poorer IMO without him.0 -
Does Johnson want to risk going backwards with his total vote in order to boost Hunt?0
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Wouldn’t it be great if it were Gove who had been lending Boris votes to pull them at the last. A proper stitch up.0
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Remind us which country you live in?Viceroy_of_Orange said:Would actually like to see Gove go through just so Boris could hammer him in the membership ballot. Then again, it would be great to see him eliminated today too.
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I think Boris would prefer to face Hunt than Gove. Has the Saj made a recommendation to his legions?kinabalu said:
I hope Gove gets through but I am expecting it to be Hunt. Johnson looks to be in a position to engineer that and therefore I think he will.HYUFD said:More Javid voters reported to be going to Gove than Hunt but still close between them
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No he hasn't, he has said it is eminently feasible which is not a denial at all.Gallowgate said:
He's also said the complete opposite, like in his interview with the Evening Standard. You guys are being played for fools.HYUFD said:Boris has said Deal or No Deal by October, that wins most BP voters back bar No Deal hardliners
In any case Macron likely vetoes further extension anyway as Rutte has indicated he would too today unless the UK offers something different.
A Boris FTA for GB and no temporary Customs Union for GB and still backstop for NI until a technical solution is found to the Irish border could be that0 -
He's not a Tory. He is some kind of English nationalist. Def not a Tory.RochdalePioneers said:
You really are batshit crazy.Philip_Thompson said:
Brexit is more important than the union.TOPPING said:Andrew Neil is absolutely must watch. Mordaunt latest/current casualty.
"Your party has gone bonkers; it thinks Brexit is more important than the Union."
"We need Brexit so that the United Kingdom can be Sovereign" went the argument. And now? Bollocks to the Union.
Brexit ends the United Kingdom as a physical entity. Brexit cripples the economy. Brexit destroys the Tory party. And is still cheered on by Tories who insist we need it because the alternative is worse.
What pray tell is this worse alternative if we stay in the EU? A Plague of Locusts? A Manhattan sized asteroid crashing into Milton Keynes? War with France and mandatory snail soup after we lose?0 -
Have we established which planet yet?RochdalePioneers said:
Remind us which country you live in?Viceroy_of_Orange said:Would actually like to see Gove go through just so Boris could hammer him in the membership ballot. Then again, it would be great to see him eliminated today too.
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They don't believe him. Farage will make a big play of not believing him. Do you think Nige will just call it quits because Boris has said something that he has refused to confirm and which George Osborne has said is just an aspiration?HYUFD said:
Boris has said Deal or No Deal by October, that wins most BP voters back bar No Deal hardliners.TOPPING said:
If there is an election in the limited time available then Boris won't have had the opportunity to convince TBP that he really means it when he says he is going to leave by Oct 31st and Farage, Widdicombe, et al will be replaying his refusal to guarantee leaving by that date at every available opportunity.HYUFD said:
Hello Boris PM with overall majority as BP falls back and Corbyn loses votes to LDsSlackbladder said:
Hello Corbyn as PM...Philip_Thompson said:
Hello election with all defections replaced as candidates.eek said:
Bye bye majorityPhilip_Thompson said:
Anyone who feels that alienated that they can't vote for any of the FOUR candidates remaining (two leavers and two remainers FWIW) should resign the whip.AlastairMeeks said:
It's the fact that there are Conservative MPs so alienated from the process that they can't pick from the remaining four candidates. That does not bode well for party discipline.TheScreamingEagles said:
Greening, Lee, and Grieve?AlastairMeeks said:If I were Boris Johnson I'd worry about those spoiled ballot papers.
Corbyn likely still leaks Remainers to LDs though even with his vague EUref2 promise
Do you believe Boris?0 -
Hunt is now weakened and would not test Boris, Gove would and Boris needs a tough test as May did not haveDecrepitJohnL said:
I think Boris would prefer to face Hunt than Gove. Has the Saj made a recommendation to his legions?kinabalu said:
I hope Gove gets through but I am expecting it to be Hunt. Johnson looks to be in a position to engineer that and therefore I think he will.HYUFD said:More Javid voters reported to be going to Gove than Hunt but still close between them
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Why would Boris lend votes to either of the other candidates?
He should aim for biggest possible win, since he can defeat either of Hunt or Gove with the membership.
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Perhaps. yet those views are clearly widespread in the party. Brexit is worth more than the Union, the economy, the party. If you are batshit crazy. Thank goodness these people don't have anything politically important to for the next month or soTOPPING said:
He's not a Tory. He is some kind of English nationalist. Def not a Tory.RochdalePioneers said:
You really are batshit crazy.Philip_Thompson said:
Brexit is more important than the union.TOPPING said:Andrew Neil is absolutely must watch. Mordaunt latest/current casualty.
"Your party has gone bonkers; it thinks Brexit is more important than the Union."
"We need Brexit so that the United Kingdom can be Sovereign" went the argument. And now? Bollocks to the Union.
Brexit ends the United Kingdom as a physical entity. Brexit cripples the economy. Brexit destroys the Tory party. And is still cheered on by Tories who insist we need it because the alternative is worse.
What pray tell is this worse alternative if we stay in the EU? A Plague of Locusts? A Manhattan sized asteroid crashing into Milton Keynes? War with France and mandatory snail soup after we lose?0 -
I'm hoping a top form Andrew Neil or Richard Madeley gets his claws into Boris Johnson at some point during the contest.Roger said:Dislikeable though Gove is remember that last time they locked horns Gove got the better of him. I think he might well do the same again. The more you see of Boris the less competent he looks.
The problem is, Gove's (and Hunt's) Brexit position is also a fantasy and so there will be no stark contrast on this to be exploited, as there would have been if the opponent had been 'Reality' Stewart.0 -
If @Philip_Thompson is a member of the Conservative Party he will I'm sure shortly do the honourable thing and resign once he has read what it is there for and why.RochdalePioneers said:
Perhaps. yet those views are clearly widespread in the party. Brexit is worth more than the Union, the economy, the party. If you are batshit crazy. Thank goodness these people don't have anything politically important to for the next month or soTOPPING said:
He's not a Tory. He is some kind of English nationalist. Def not a Tory.RochdalePioneers said:
You really are batshit crazy.Philip_Thompson said:
Brexit is more important than the union.TOPPING said:Andrew Neil is absolutely must watch. Mordaunt latest/current casualty.
"Your party has gone bonkers; it thinks Brexit is more important than the Union."
"We need Brexit so that the United Kingdom can be Sovereign" went the argument. And now? Bollocks to the Union.
Brexit ends the United Kingdom as a physical entity. Brexit cripples the economy. Brexit destroys the Tory party. And is still cheered on by Tories who insist we need it because the alternative is worse.
What pray tell is this worse alternative if we stay in the EU? A Plague of Locusts? A Manhattan sized asteroid crashing into Milton Keynes? War with France and mandatory snail soup after we lose?0 -
Hunt tests Boris on competence. Question One at the debate: who made the better Foreign Secretary?HYUFD said:
Hunt is now weakened and would not test Boris, Gove would and Boris needs a tough test as May did not haveDecrepitJohnL said:
I think Boris would prefer to face Hunt than Gove. Has the Saj made a recommendation to his legions?kinabalu said:
I hope Gove gets through but I am expecting it to be Hunt. Johnson looks to be in a position to engineer that and therefore I think he will.HYUFD said:More Javid voters reported to be going to Gove than Hunt but still close between them
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Isolating the UK is a price worth paying.Foxy said:
Currywurst is best accompanied by ketchup and chips and is worthy of several Michelin stars.Dura_Ace said:
The Toyota Previa is a fantastic car and anyone who owns one displays a refined sensibility to engineering matters of the highest order.TOPPING said:
Nah. He is a good journalist. If I asked you, for your day job, to skewer a Remainer you would have no problem in doing so and in picking holes in the Remain argument.AlastairMeeks said:
Since Andrew Neil has for a long time been a fervent Leave advocate, if he has suddenly found his own cherished belief system under attack from the beast that he has fed, he should take a long hard look in the mirror as to how that might have come to pass.TOPPING said:Andrew Neil is absolutely must watch. Mordaunt latest/current casualty.
"Your party has gone bonkers; it thinks Brexit is more important than the Union."
I have often thought that it would be fun, here on PB, to have a day when everyone argues the reverse of what they believe.0 -
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Yes. They have all fallen in behind the out by Oct 31st line. I struggle to see how they will manage that unless they are called Boris. But struggle with it any of them will have to and, in my very very humble opinion, we will not be leaving on October 31st or indeed at any other time with no deal.kinabalu said:
I'm hoping a top form Andrew Neil or Richard Madeley gets his claws into Boris Johnson at some point during the contest.Roger said:Dislikeable though Gove is remember that last time they locked horns Gove got the better of him. I think he might well do the same again. The more you see of Boris the less competent he looks.
The problem is, Gove's (and Hunt's) Brexit position is also a fantasy and so there will be no stark contrast on this to be exploited, as there would have been if the opponent had been 'Reality' Stewart.
Vive la WA!!!0 -
Hunt is the Tory Mitt Romney, changes his position every 5 minutes and Hunt made a huge gaffe in Slovenia saying it was part of the Eastern Block, Boris never made that big an insult to one of his hosts.DecrepitJohnL said:
Hunt tests Boris on competence. Question One at the debate: who made the better Foreign Secretary?HYUFD said:
Hunt is now weakened and would not test Boris, Gove would and Boris needs a tough test as May did not haveDecrepitJohnL said:
I think Boris would prefer to face Hunt than Gove. Has the Saj made a recommendation to his legions?kinabalu said:
I hope Gove gets through but I am expecting it to be Hunt. Johnson looks to be in a position to engineer that and therefore I think he will.HYUFD said:More Javid voters reported to be going to Gove than Hunt but still close between them
Hunt is also now weakened, even if he gets through we know it will be due to Boris votes now most likely not on his merits like Gove0 -
Glad to see you so strongly supporting of a leader that supports same-sex marriage.Viceroy_of_Orange said:Would actually like to see Gove go through just so Boris could hammer him in the membership ballot. Then again, it would be great to see him eliminated today too.
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If Boris does win the leadership and it becomes apparent some of his supporters deliberately voted for Hunt then Boris Johnson is as doomed as if he had received a coronation.
It will come back to bite him hard. It did with Gordon Brown. It did with Theresa May.
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The more I think about it the more I really, really want to see it - just imagine the daily entertainment..Foxy said:
Yes, half way through the campaign the leader would change! how quickly can a manifesto be rewritten?eek said:
Hmm an election called next week while the party votes for a leader - that would be real fun....Philip_Thompson said:
Hello election with all defections replaced as candidates.eek said:
Bye bye majorityPhilip_Thompson said:
Anyone who feels that alienated that they can't vote for any of the FOUR candidates remaining (two leavers and two remainers FWIW) should resign the whip.AlastairMeeks said:
It's the fact that there are Conservative MPs so alienated from the process that they can't pick from the remaining four candidates. That does not bode well for party discipline.TheScreamingEagles said:
Greening, Lee, and Grieve?AlastairMeeks said:If I were Boris Johnson I'd worry about those spoiled ballot papers.
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So Boris has promised the return of Noel Edmonds before the end of October?HYUFD said:
Boris has said Deal or No Deal by October, that wins most BP voters back bar No Deal hardliners.TOPPING said:
If there is an election in the limited time available then Boris won't have had the opportunity to convince TBP that he really means it when he says he is going to leave by Oct 31st and Farage, Widdicombe, et al will be replaying his refusal to guarantee leaving by that date at every available opportunity.HYUFD said:
Hello Boris PM with overall majority as BP falls back and Corbyn loses votes to LDsSlackbladder said:
Hello Corbyn as PM...Philip_Thompson said:
Hello election with all defections replaced as candidates.eek said:
Bye bye majorityPhilip_Thompson said:
Anyone who feels that alienated that they can't vote for any of the FOUR candidates remaining (two leavers and two remainers FWIW) should resign the whip.AlastairMeeks said:
It's the fact that there are Conservative MPs so alienated from the process that they can't pick from the remaining four candidates. That does not bode well for party discipline.TheScreamingEagles said:
Greening, Lee, and Grieve?AlastairMeeks said:If I were Boris Johnson I'd worry about those spoiled ballot papers.
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Are you suggesting the membership cares about competence?DecrepitJohnL said:
Hunt tests Boris on competence. Question One at the debate: who made the better Foreign Secretary?HYUFD said:
Hunt is now weakened and would not test Boris, Gove would and Boris needs a tough test as May did not haveDecrepitJohnL said:
I think Boris would prefer to face Hunt than Gove. Has the Saj made a recommendation to his legions?kinabalu said:
I hope Gove gets through but I am expecting it to be Hunt. Johnson looks to be in a position to engineer that and therefore I think he will.HYUFD said:More Javid voters reported to be going to Gove than Hunt but still close between them
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Boris slashes the Brexit Party back to 13% or less in the polls, all other remaining candidates keep the Brexit Party over 20% in the pollsTOPPING said:
They don't believe him. Farage will make a big play of not believing him. Do you think Nige will just call it quits because Boris has said something that he has refused to confirm and which George Osborne has said is just an aspiration?HYUFD said:
Boris has said Deal or No Deal by October, that wins most BP voters back bar No Deal hardliners.TOPPING said:
If there is an election in the limited time available then Boris won't have had the opportunity to convince TBP that he really means it when he says he is going to leave by Oct 31st and Farage, Widdicombe, et al will be replaying his refusal to guarantee leaving by that date at every available opportunity.HYUFD said:
Hello Boris PM with overall majority as BP falls back and Corbyn loses votes to LDsSlackbladder said:
Hello Corbyn as PM...Philip_Thompson said:
Hello election with all defections replaced as candidates.eek said:
Bye bye majorityPhilip_Thompson said:
Anyone who feels that alienated that they can't vote for any of the FOUR candidates remaining (two leavers and two remainers FWIW) should resign the whip.AlastairMeeks said:
It's the fact that there are Conservative MPs so alienated from the process that they can't pick from the remaining four candidates. That does not bode well for party discipline.TheScreamingEagles said:
Greening, Lee, and Grieve?AlastairMeeks said:If I were Boris Johnson I'd worry about those spoiled ballot papers.
Corbyn likely still leaks Remainers to LDs though even with his vague EUref2 promise
Do you believe Boris?0 -
Translation: give me your votesHYUFD said:0 -
Don't see that at all. There is a world of difference between fighting a relatively weak opponent and having a coronation as the other 2 did. Whenever I am tempted to suggest that Brown had no sense of humour I remember his campaign around the UK against no actual opponent trying to win some sort of legitimacy.Mysticrose said:If Boris does win the leadership and it becomes apparent some of his supporters deliberately voted for Hunt then Boris Johnson is as doomed as if he had received a coronation.
It will come back to bite him hard. It did with Gordon Brown. It did with Theresa May.0 -
Can't lose, can you?Viceroy_of_Orange said:Would actually like to see Gove go through just so Boris could hammer him in the membership ballot. Then again, it would be great to see him eliminated today too.
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Neil lets people speak, which is the key function of the interviewer. He doesn't challenge interviewees equally, but if you can rise to the challenge you can do well out of a Andrew Neil interview. I prefer a lower key but more consistent probing from interviewers as get more out of the interviewee that way, but this is entertainment and not just information gathering.TOPPING said:
He is by all accounts a Brexiter. And today he has driven a coach and horses through two leading Brexiters' arguments and, with the issue of the Union, of Brexit itself. I don't care what he thinks and I believe he is sufficiently professional to separate his own views out anyway.FF43 said:
I am pretty sure Andrew Neil prioritises the Union over Brexit, so I don't think this interview challenges his beliefs.TOPPING said:
Nah. He is a good journalist. If I asked you, for your day job, to skewer a Remainer you would have no problem in doing so and in picking holes in the Remain argument.AlastairMeeks said:
Since Andrew Neil has for a long time been a fervent Leave advocate, if he has suddenly found his own cherished belief system under attack from the beast that he has fed, he should take a long hard look in the mirror as to how that might have come to pass.TOPPING said:Andrew Neil is absolutely must watch. Mordaunt latest/current casualty.
"Your party has gone bonkers; it thinks Brexit is more important than the Union."
I have often thought that it would be fun, here on PB, to have a day when everyone argues the reverse of what they believe.
The issue I have with Neil is that his blatant biases get in the way of his interviews, to the opposite effect to what might be expected. He doesn't engage with people he agrees with, which means their arguments don't get tested. He challenges those he doesn't agree with, but if you stand your ground and argue from first principles you can get a good hearing.
Whatever political debate we have in this country would be a lot poorer IMO without him.0 -
Yes but it wouldn't just be about fighting a weakened opponent, would it? It would be about deliberately avoiding a proper contest with the person best able to test him.DavidL said:
Don't see that at all. There is a world of difference between fighting a relatively weak opponent and having a coronation as the other 2 did. Whenever I am tempted to suggest that Brown had no sense of humour I remember his campaign around the UK against no actual opponent trying to win some sort of legitimacy.Mysticrose said:If Boris does win the leadership and it becomes apparent some of his supporters deliberately voted for Hunt then Boris Johnson is as doomed as if he had received a coronation.
It will come back to bite him hard. It did with Gordon Brown. It did with Theresa May.
'He's frit,' will stick.0 -
Everyone's unicorn version of Boris puts Brexit on 13%. You've continually said that, others have continually pointed out it may not be true and it definitely may not last..HYUFD said:
Boris slashes the Brexit Party back to 13% or less in the polls, all other remaining candidates keep the Brexit Party over 20% in the pollsTOPPING said:
They don't believe him. Farage will make a big play of not believing him. Do you think Nige will just call it quits because Boris has said something that he has refused to confirm and which George Osborne has said is just an aspiration?HYUFD said:
Boris has said Deal or No Deal by October, that wins most BP voters back bar No Deal hardliners.TOPPING said:
If there is an election in the limited time available then Boris won't have had the opportunity to convince TBP that he really means it when he says he is going to leave by Oct 31st and Farage, Widdicombe, et al will be replaying his refusal to guarantee leaving by that date at every available opportunity.HYUFD said:
Hello Boris PM with overall majority as BP falls back and Corbyn loses votes to LDsSlackbladder said:
Hello Corbyn as PM...Philip_Thompson said:
Hello election with all defections replaced as candidates.eek said:
Bye bye majorityPhilip_Thompson said:
Anyone who feels that alienated that they can't vote for any of the FOUR candidates remaining (two leavers and two remainers FWIW) should resign the whip.AlastairMeeks said:
It's the fact that there are Conservative MPs so alienated from the process that they can't pick from the remaining four candidates. That does not bode well for party discipline.TheScreamingEagles said:
Greening, Lee, and Grieve?AlastairMeeks said:If I were Boris Johnson I'd worry about those spoiled ballot papers.
Corbyn likely still leaks Remainers to LDs though even with his vague EUref2 promise
Do you believe Boris?0 -
Maybe. But everyday he is becoming less clear about his October 31st deadline. I know you value polls, and in the absence of any other metric they can be useful. But was the poll you cite before or after his non-committal on guaranteeing leaving by October 31st? Was it before or after the ES endorsement?HYUFD said:
Boris slashes the Brexit Party back to 13% or less in the polls, all other remaining candidates keep the Brexit Party over 20% in the pollsTOPPING said:
They don't believe him. Farage will make a big play of not believing him. Do you think Nige will just call it quits because Boris has said something that he has refused to confirm and which George Osborne has said is just an aspiration?HYUFD said:
Boris has said Deal or No Deal by October, that wins most BP voters back bar No Deal hardliners.TOPPING said:
If there is an election in the limited time available then Boris won't have had the opportunity to convince TBP that he really means it when he says he is going to leave by Oct 31st and Farage, Widdicombe, et al will be replaying his refusal to guarantee leaving by that date at every available opportunity.HYUFD said:
Hello Boris PM with overall majority as BP falls back and Corbyn loses votes to LDsSlackbladder said:
Hello Corbyn as PM...Philip_Thompson said:
Hello election with all defections replaced as candidates.eek said:
Bye bye majorityPhilip_Thompson said:
Anyone who feels that alienated that they can't vote for any of the FOUR candidates remaining (two leavers and two remainers FWIW) should resign the whip.AlastairMeeks said:
It's the fact that there are Conservative MPs so alienated from the process that they can't pick from the remaining four candidates. That does not bode well for party discipline.TheScreamingEagles said:
Greening, Lee, and Grieve?AlastairMeeks said:If I were Boris Johnson I'd worry about those spoiled ballot papers.
Corbyn likely still leaks Remainers to LDs though even with his vague EUref2 promise
Do you believe Boris?0 -
I'm suggesting Boris should worry that the membership *might* care about competence.Gallowgate said:
Are you suggesting the membership cares about competence?DecrepitJohnL said:
Hunt tests Boris on competence. Question One at the debate: who made the better Foreign Secretary?HYUFD said:
Hunt is now weakened and would not test Boris, Gove would and Boris needs a tough test as May did not haveDecrepitJohnL said:
I think Boris would prefer to face Hunt than Gove. Has the Saj made a recommendation to his legions?kinabalu said:
I hope Gove gets through but I am expecting it to be Hunt. Johnson looks to be in a position to engineer that and therefore I think he will.HYUFD said:More Javid voters reported to be going to Gove than Hunt but still close between them
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No, Johnson lives in a world where Dick Dastardly's scheming wins him the Whacky Races.Mysticrose said:If Boris does win the leadership and it becomes apparent some of his supporters deliberately voted for Hunt then Boris Johnson is as doomed as if he had received a coronation.
It will come back to bite him hard. It did with Gordon Brown. It did with Theresa May.0 -
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That caveat "to one of his hosts" is a massive loop hole when talking about Mr JohnsonHYUFD said:
... and Hunt made a huge gaffe in Slovenia saying it was part of the Eastern Block, Boris never made that big an insult to one of his hosts.
"Cleaning up after Boris Johnson's gaffes as foreign secretary was a 'full-time activity', Foreign Office minister says"
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-foreign-secretary-next-conservatives-leader-foreign-office-minister-a8939396.html
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Boris has continued to promise an October 31st deadline.TOPPING said:
Maybe. But everyday he is becoming less clear about his October 31st deadline. I know you value polls, and in the absence of any other metric they can be useful. But was the poll you cite before or after his non-committal on guaranteeing leaving by October 31st. Was it before or after the ES endorsement?HYUFD said:
Boris slashes the Brexit Party back to 13% or less in the polls, all other remaining candidates keep the Brexit Party over 20% in the pollsTOPPING said:
They don't believe him. Farage will make a big play of not believing him. Do you think Nige will just call it quits because Boris has said something that he has refused to confirm and which George Osborne has said is just an aspiration?HYUFD said:
Boris has said Deal or No Deal by October, that wins most BP voters back bar No Deal hardliners.TOPPING said:
If there is an election in the limited time available then Boris won't have had the opportunity to convince TBP that he really means it when he says he is going to leave by Oct 31st and Farage, Widdicombe, et al will be replaying his refusal to guarantee leaving by that date at every available opportunity.HYUFD said:
Hello Boris PM with overall majority as BP falls back and Corbyn loses votes to LDsSlackbladder said:
Hello Corbyn as PM...Philip_Thompson said:
Hello election with all defections replaced as candidates.eek said:
Bye bye majorityPhilip_Thompson said:
Anyone who feels that alienated that they can't vote for any of the FOUR candidates remaining (two leavers and two remainers FWIW) should resign the whip.AlastairMeeks said:
It's the fact that there are Conservative MPs so alienated from the process that they can't pick from the remaining four candidates. That does not bode well for party discipline.TheScreamingEagles said:
Greening, Lee, and Grieve?AlastairMeeks said:If I were Boris Johnson I'd worry about those spoiled ballot papers.
Corbyn likely still leaks Remainers to LDs though even with his vague EUref2 promise
Do you believe Boris?
In any case Rutte joined Macron this morning in saying he would veto further extension beyond October unless something significantly different to the Withdrawal Agreement was proposed0 -
Boris got a British subject banged up in an Iranian prison.HYUFD said:
Hunt is the Tory Mitt Romney, changes his position every 5 minutes and Hunt made a huge gaffe in Slovenia saying it was part of the Eastern Block, Boris never made that big an insult to one of his hosts.DecrepitJohnL said:
Hunt tests Boris on competence. Question One at the debate: who made the better Foreign Secretary?HYUFD said:
Hunt is now weakened and would not test Boris, Gove would and Boris needs a tough test as May did not haveDecrepitJohnL said:
I think Boris would prefer to face Hunt than Gove. Has the Saj made a recommendation to his legions?kinabalu said:
I hope Gove gets through but I am expecting it to be Hunt. Johnson looks to be in a position to engineer that and therefore I think he will.HYUFD said:More Javid voters reported to be going to Gove than Hunt but still close between them
Hunt is also now weakened, even if he gets through we know it will be due to Boris votes now most likely not on his merits like Gove0 -
Duncan is backing Hunt, hardly objectiveeristdoof said:
That caveat "to one of his hosts" is a massive loop hole when talking about Mr JohnsonHYUFD said:
... and Hunt made a huge gaffe in Slovenia saying it was part of the Eastern Block, Boris never made that big an insult to one of his hosts.
"Cleaning up after Boris Johnson's gaffes as foreign secretary was a 'full-time activity', Foreign Office minister says"
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-foreign-secretary-next-conservatives-leader-foreign-office-minister-a8939396.html0 -
The other perspective is that he has run a ruthlessly efficient and effective leadership campaign eliminating all unnecessary risks and anyone who might have caused him a problem.Mysticrose said:
Yes but it wouldn't just be about fighting a weakened opponent, would it? It would be about deliberately avoiding a proper contest with the person best able to test him.DavidL said:
Don't see that at all. There is a world of difference between fighting a relatively weak opponent and having a coronation as the other 2 did. Whenever I am tempted to suggest that Brown had no sense of humour I remember his campaign around the UK against no actual opponent trying to win some sort of legitimacy.Mysticrose said:If Boris does win the leadership and it becomes apparent some of his supporters deliberately voted for Hunt then Boris Johnson is as doomed as if he had received a coronation.
It will come back to bite him hard. It did with Gordon Brown. It did with Theresa May.
'He's frit,' will stick.0 -
Lynton Crosby as Muttley 😁Mexicanpete said:
No, Johnson lives in a world where Dick Dastardly's scheming wins him the Whacky Races.Mysticrose said:If Boris does win the leadership and it becomes apparent some of his supporters deliberately voted for Hunt then Boris Johnson is as doomed as if he had received a coronation.
It will come back to bite him hard. It did with Gordon Brown. It did with Theresa May.0 -
In polls that have been discredited.HYUFD said:
Boris slashes the Brexit Party back to 13% or less in the polls, all other remaining candidates keep the Brexit Party over 20% in the pollsTOPPING said:
They don't believe him. Farage will make a big play of not believing him. Do you think Nige will just call it quits because Boris has said something that he has refused to confirm and which George Osborne has said is just an aspiration?HYUFD said:
Boris has said Deal or No Deal by October, that wins most BP voters back bar No Deal hardliners.TOPPING said:
If there is an election in the limited time available then Boris won't have had the opportunity to convince TBP that he really means it when he says he is going to leave by Oct 31st and Farage, Widdicombe, et al will be replaying his refusal to guarantee leaving by that date at every available opportunity.HYUFD said:
Hello Boris PM with overall majority as BP falls back and Corbyn loses votes to LDsSlackbladder said:
Hello Corbyn as PM...Philip_Thompson said:
Hello election with all defections replaced as candidates.eek said:
Bye bye majorityPhilip_Thompson said:
Anyone who feels that alienated that they can't vote for any of the FOUR candidates remaining (two leavers and two remainers FWIW) should resign the whip.AlastairMeeks said:
It's the fact that there are Conservative MPs so alienated from the process that they can't pick from the remaining four candidates. That does not bode well for party discipline.TheScreamingEagles said:
Greening, Lee, and Grieve?AlastairMeeks said:If I were Boris Johnson I'd worry about those spoiled ballot papers.
Corbyn likely still leaks Remainers to LDs though even with his vague EUref2 promise
Do you believe Boris?
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When? Boris is not leader yet.eristdoof said:
In polls that have been discredited.HYUFD said:
Boris slashes the Brexit Party back to 13% or less in the polls, all other remaining candidates keep the Brexit Party over 20% in the pollsTOPPING said:
They don't believe him. Farage will make a big play of not believing him. Do you think Nige will just call it quits because Boris has said something that he has refused to confirm and which George Osborne has said is just an aspiration?HYUFD said:
Boris has said Deal or No Deal by October, that wins most BP voters back bar No Deal hardliners.TOPPING said:
If there is an election in the limited time available then Boris won't have had the opportunity to convince TBP that he really means it when he says he is going to leave by Oct 31st and Farage, Widdicombe, et al will be replaying his refusal to guarantee leaving by that date at every available opportunity.HYUFD said:
Hello Boris PM with overall majority as BP falls back and Corbyn loses votes to LDsSlackbladder said:
Hello Corbyn as PM...Philip_Thompson said:
Hello election with all defections replaced as candidates.eek said:
Bye bye majorityPhilip_Thompson said:
Anyone who feels that alienated that they can't vote for any of the FOUR candidates remaining (two leavers and two remainers FWIW) should resign the whip.AlastairMeeks said:
It's the fact that there are Conservative MPs so alienated from the process that they can't pick from the remaining four candidates. That does not bode well for party discipline.TheScreamingEagles said:
Greening, Lee, and Grieve?AlastairMeeks said:If I were Boris Johnson I'd worry about those spoiled ballot papers.
Corbyn likely still leaks Remainers to LDs though even with his vague EUref2 promise
Do you believe Boris?
Labour meanwhile tied with the LDs and still leaking Remainers0 -
ABB for Ruth. She is not going to like this.TheWhiteRabbit said:0 -
Or is it the other way aroundkjohnw said:
Lynton Crosby as Muttley 😁Mexicanpete said:
No, Johnson lives in a world where Dick Dastardly's scheming wins him the Whacky Races.Mysticrose said:If Boris does win the leadership and it becomes apparent some of his supporters deliberately voted for Hunt then Boris Johnson is as doomed as if he had received a coronation.
It will come back to bite him hard. It did with Gordon Brown. It did with Theresa May.
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Boris refused and continues to refuse to guarantee that he would leave by October 31st. Don't mistake what you would like his position to be with what his position is.HYUFD said:Boris has continued to promise an October 31st deadline.
In any case Rutte joined Macron this morning in saying he would veto further extension beyond October unless something significantly different to the Withdrawal Agreement was proposed
As every Leaver on here has said and said again (and I appreciate you did not vote Leave), the UK could, simply, leave the EU at any time. Trash the agreements, or not enter into them, or...or. Just leave. And actually, I have a great deal of sympathy with that. As @isam often says - we voted to leave three years ago and we haven't left. Put aside the damage it might do to the economy, etc, we have not left and it is wholly within our power as, ahem, a sovereign nation, to leave.
And Boris, as PM could therefore guarantee to leave. And he didn't. And them's the facts.0 -
Like free movement of people? Or a 2nd referendum?HYUFD said:
Boris has continued to promise an October 31st deadline.TOPPING said:
Maybe. But everyday he is becoming less clear about his October 31st deadline. I know you value polls, and in the absence of any other metric they can be useful. But was the poll you cite before or after his non-committal on guaranteeing leaving by October 31st. Was it before or after the ES endorsement?HYUFD said:
Boris slashes the Brexit Party back to 13% or less in the polls, all other remaining candidates keep the Brexit Party over 20% in the pollsTOPPING said:
They don't believe him. Farage will make a big play of not believing him. Do you think Nige will just call it quits because Boris has said something that he has refused to confirm and which George Osborne has said is just an aspiration?HYUFD said:
Boris has said Deal or No Deal by October, that wins most BP voters back bar No Deal hardliners.TOPPING said:
If there is an election in the limited time available then Boris won't have had the opportunity to convince TBP that he really means it when he says he is going to leave by Oct 31st and Farage, Widdicombe, et al will be replaying his refusal to guarantee leaving by that date at every available opportunity.HYUFD said:
Hello Boris PM with overall majority as BP falls back and Corbyn loses votes to LDsSlackbladder said:
Hello Corbyn as PM...Philip_Thompson said:
Hello election with all defections replaced as candidates.eek said:
Bye bye majorityPhilip_Thompson said:
Anyone who feels that alienated that they can't vote for any of the FOUR candidates remaining (two leavers and two remainers FWIW) should resign the whip.AlastairMeeks said:
It's the fact that there are Conservative MPs so alienated from the process that they can't pick from the remaining four candidates. That does not bode well for party discipline.TheScreamingEagles said:
Greening, Lee, and Grieve?AlastairMeeks said:If I were Boris Johnson I'd worry about those spoiled ballot papers.
Corbyn likely still leaks Remainers to LDs though even with his vague EUref2 promise
Do you believe Boris?
In any case Rutte joined Macron this morning in saying he would veto further extension beyond October unless something significantly different to the Withdrawal Agreement was proposed0 -
I believe he would argue that he got an Iranian subject banged up for longer than was necessary in an Iranian prison.DecrepitJohnL said:
Boris got a British subject banged up in an Iranian prison.HYUFD said:
Hunt is the Tory Mitt Romney, changes his position every 5 minutes and Hunt made a huge gaffe in Slovenia saying it was part of the Eastern Block, Boris never made that big an insult to one of his hosts.DecrepitJohnL said:
Hunt tests Boris on competence. Question One at the debate: who made the better Foreign Secretary?HYUFD said:
Hunt is now weakened and would not test Boris, Gove would and Boris needs a tough test as May did not haveDecrepitJohnL said:
I think Boris would prefer to face Hunt than Gove. Has the Saj made a recommendation to his legions?kinabalu said:
I hope Gove gets through but I am expecting it to be Hunt. Johnson looks to be in a position to engineer that and therefore I think he will.HYUFD said:More Javid voters reported to be going to Gove than Hunt but still close between them
Hunt is also now weakened, even if he gets through we know it will be due to Boris votes now most likely not on his merits like Gove0 -
No, the Iranian government did thatDecrepitJohnL said:
Boris got a British subject banged up in an Iranian prison.HYUFD said:
Hunt is the Tory Mitt Romney, changes his position every 5 minutes and Hunt made a huge gaffe in Slovenia saying it was part of the Eastern Block, Boris never made that big an insult to one of his hosts.DecrepitJohnL said:
Hunt tests Boris on competence. Question One at the debate: who made the better Foreign Secretary?HYUFD said:
Hunt is now weakened and would not test Boris, Gove would and Boris needs a tough test as May did not haveDecrepitJohnL said:
I think Boris would prefer to face Hunt than Gove. Has the Saj made a recommendation to his legions?kinabalu said:
I hope Gove gets through but I am expecting it to be Hunt. Johnson looks to be in a position to engineer that and therefore I think he will.HYUFD said:More Javid voters reported to be going to Gove than Hunt but still close between them
Hunt is also now weakened, even if he gets through we know it will be due to Boris votes now most likely not on his merits like Gove0
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