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Sorry their both unelectable weirdos...TheWhiteRabbit said:0 -
I really feel for Scottish unionist conservatives. They are utterly homeless right now.Theuniondivvie said:In other news, a wee insight into the impact on SCons of the poll revealing 63% of Con members see losing Scotland as as price worth paying for Brexit (the figs were pretty much reversed in the sub sample of SCon respondees).
https://twitter.com/sparkyhamill/status/1141264383403855872
'Uhm beggin' yae!'
'Where's your self respect?!'
But that's a function of conservatism: if you aren't currently useful, you're on your own. Maybe some of them will see the light over this?0 -
A lot of Lib Dems especially of the SDP-vein of the party (including I believe Foxy) are on the left. Hence the talk of splitting the vote versus Thatcher and cries of betrayal when they entered the Coalition with the Conservatives.Nigelb said:
So if Foxy (who is, I believe, a Lib Dem) represents "the left", are you spokesperson for "the far right" ?isam said:
Good to see the left rowing back on their no platforming of people with controversial viewsFoxy said:
It doesn't invalidate his question though about words having consequences.FrancisUrquhart said:
The jews, the jews, the jews...i am a massive fan of corbyn...the jews...evil tories.Ishmael_Z said:What was Abdullah saying on twitter before his account mysteriously vanished this morning?
So just your regular member of the public.
Do you think if there had been a Labour/Lib Dem Coalition there would have been comparable complaints of betrayal?0 -
Shouldnt that have been a bit of a red flag? Also you can still search in a number if different ways of somebodies old tweets even if account isnt activated.Gallowgate said:twitter.com/RobBurl/status/1141278189773344768
Sneaky...0 -
Get a pollster to randomly select members of the public?rottenborough said:
Blimey. That throws up a major problem for broadcasters and so on doing background.Gallowgate said:
EDIT: Or members of the relevant party given they're the ones with the votes in the contest.0 -
I really don't get that. Boris will win against whomever. But surely facing a weirdo like Gove is better. I mean, Hunt seems relatively normal, so when Boris's admin goes tits up, people will think "if only we had chosen the other guy!" But if it was Gove, it'd be more "well, it didn't go well, but we couldn't really have chosen pob."rottenborough said:
I guess the idea is the Boris wants to face Hunt in final, so let's give him Gove instead with Rory as his FCO.Phukov said:
BorisTheWhiteRabbit said:0 -
It is deeply worrying that who our next PM will be is in the gift of the tiny section of the population who happen to be paid up members of the Conservative Party.
However, I was reassured by this quote from a typical member of that select group of individuals -
Mr Edwards believes Mr Johnson has the best chance of securing a deal on 31 October, if he has the right cabinet.
"If he can get Jacob Rees-Mogg and Esther McVey in the cabinet they would be the real structure... and he could just be the celebrity," he added.0 -
Betrayal is in the DNA of the LibDems. You can't trust them.Philip_Thompson said:
A lot of Lib Dems especially of the SDP-vein of the party (including I believe Foxy) are on the left. Hence the talk of splitting the vote versus Thatcher and cries of betrayal when they entered the Coalition with the Conservatives.Nigelb said:
So if Foxy (who is, I believe, a Lib Dem) represents "the left", are you spokesperson for "the far right" ?isam said:
Good to see the left rowing back on their no platforming of people with controversial viewsFoxy said:
It doesn't invalidate his question though about words having consequences.FrancisUrquhart said:
The jews, the jews, the jews...i am a massive fan of corbyn...the jews...evil tories.Ishmael_Z said:What was Abdullah saying on twitter before his account mysteriously vanished this morning?
So just your regular member of the public.
Do you think if there had been a Labour/Lib Dem Coalition there would have been comparable complaints of betrayal?
If you want left, then vote for a left wing party. If you want right, then vote for a right wing party.
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And if you're a liberal?YBarddCwsc said:
Betrayal is in the DNA of the LibDems. You can't trust them.Philip_Thompson said:
A lot of Lib Dems especially of the SDP-vein of the party (including I believe Foxy) are on the left. Hence the talk of splitting the vote versus Thatcher and cries of betrayal when they entered the Coalition with the Conservatives.Nigelb said:
So if Foxy (who is, I believe, a Lib Dem) represents "the left", are you spokesperson for "the far right" ?isam said:
Good to see the left rowing back on their no platforming of people with controversial viewsFoxy said:
It doesn't invalidate his question though about words having consequences.FrancisUrquhart said:
The jews, the jews, the jews...i am a massive fan of corbyn...the jews...evil tories.Ishmael_Z said:What was Abdullah saying on twitter before his account mysteriously vanished this morning?
So just your regular member of the public.
Do you think if there had been a Labour/Lib Dem Coalition there would have been comparable complaints of betrayal?
If you want left, then vote for a left wing party. If you want right, then vote for a right wing party.0 -
My delayed verdict on BBC's PM farce last night.
Boris 5/10 Still gives an impression of winging it. That worries me.
Hunt 7/10 Better than expected. Should be in final 2
Gove 6/10 OK but too earnest to be a PM of the people
Javid 6/10 Mixed. A bit desperate at times but one for the next race
Stewart 4/10 Weirdo totally unsuited for PM role1 -
Sauce for the goose...isam said:
Hello, it’s Jeremy Paxman!Nigelb said:
So if Foxy (who is, I believe, a Lib Dem) represents "the left", are you spokesperson for "the far right" ?isam said:
Good to see the left rowing back on their no platforming of people with controversial viewsFoxy said:
It doesn't invalidate his question though about words having consequences.FrancisUrquhart said:
The jews, the jews, the jews...i am a massive fan of corbyn...the jews...evil tories.Ishmael_Z said:What was Abdullah saying on twitter before his account mysteriously vanished this morning?
So just your regular member of the public.0 -
It's not enough. We need Farage in the cabinet too. And Ann Widdecombe. And scour the psychiatric wards too for some extra talent.kinabalu said:It is deeply worrying that who our next PM will be is in the gift of the tiny section of the population who happen to be paid up members of the Conservative Party.
However, I was reassured by this quote from a typical member of that select group of individuals -
Mr Edwards believes Mr Johnson has the best chance of securing a deal on 31 October, if he has the right cabinet.
"If he can get Jacob Rees-Mogg and Esther McVey in the cabinet they would be the real structure... and he could just be the celebrity," he added.2 -
It's something - but I'm not sure it's a plan more a suicide pact.Philip_Thompson said:
Brexit by Oct 31, deal if possible, no deal if it can't be agreed.Gallowgate said:
What plan?Philip_Thompson said:
The new PM should vet all potential Cabinet ministers to ensure they are onboard fully with his plan, including all eventualities. If they're not then they shouldn't be appointed.MarqueeMark said:
Resigning from Cabinet seems to have certain merit with a sizeable chunk of the Conservative Parliamentary Party..... Fast-track to being PM.Philip_Thompson said:
No he shouldn't. He'll just leverage any post with threats to resign from it, so why not fast forward to the end point already?MarqueeMark said:
No - it will just be put about that he absented himself from having been able to prevent/lessen that shitstorm.eek said:
Why is that unwise. Collective responsibility during a s**tstorm that will be Brexit could destroy him as it will everyone in the cabinet.MarqueeMark said:
Boris would be a better leader if Rory were in his Cabinet, forcefully making a different case to that of the PM, week after week, then being bound by the collective responsibility of Cabinet. But (unwisely in my view) Rory has ruled himself out of being in a position to deliver that role.JackW said:
With the exception that Boris will win easily against Rory. Boris supporters in the constituencies are the Corbynites in Labour.Blue_rog said:Does anyone else think that the leadership election has some elements of the Labour one with Rory being the outsider who is lent votes to 'widen the conversation'? Let's hope he doesn't do a Corbyn.
Boris will be a better PM (low bar I know) if he's tested severely by Rory in the final two.
Rory sitting remote waiting for the hour (I won't say day as I suspect it will be very rapid) when things go pearshaped is the sensible plan.
PM Boris should still offer him a post - and make Rory decide to decline it.
But not if you'd rather go walkaout.0 -
Mr. Patel seems to be the only thing to have come out of the debate that makes it to the end of the news cycle.....Gallowgate said:0 -
A LibDem / Corbyn coalition ?Philip_Thompson said:
A lot of Lib Dems especially of the SDP-vein of the party (including I believe Foxy) are on the left. Hence the talk of splitting the vote versus Thatcher and cries of betrayal when they entered the Coalition with the Conservatives.Nigelb said:
So if Foxy (who is, I believe, a Lib Dem) represents "the left", are you spokesperson for "the far right" ?isam said:
Good to see the left rowing back on their no platforming of people with controversial viewsFoxy said:
It doesn't invalidate his question though about words having consequences.FrancisUrquhart said:
The jews, the jews, the jews...i am a massive fan of corbyn...the jews...evil tories.Ishmael_Z said:What was Abdullah saying on twitter before his account mysteriously vanished this morning?
So just your regular member of the public.
Do you think if there had been a Labour/Lib Dem Coalition there would have been comparable complaints of betrayal?
There'd be complaints of insanity.
Back then... keeping Brown in power, ditto.
That you seem able only to consider the centre ground as the enabler of one or other of the political extremes is your problem.1 -
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Of all the mendacious crap that was spouted last night for me among the most egregious was Gove's "just a day or two, say 48 hours" to extend the leaving date if a deal is close.
I mean I know the answer to the question what kind of idiot does he (they all) take us for but really. He actually said he believes it might take only an extra 24 hours to do a so far undoable deal.
Meanwhile of them all Hunt emerged for me as the most likely to succeed. His "no deal" seriously worried me but I think Rory ruled himself out (shame for my large green on him), as did Boris, while Gove's solipsistic crap will surely not wash and The Saj was a bit meh.0 -
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I think the the party hacks are too far entrenched in the 'Brexit is the will of the British people and must be enacted' position to extricate themselves without a great deal of difficulty, though there must be an interesting turmoil of feelings in their breasts currently.Phukov said:
I really feel for Scottish unionist conservatives. They are utterly homeless right now.Theuniondivvie said:In other news, a wee insight into the impact on SCons of the poll revealing 63% of Con members see losing Scotland as as price worth paying for Brexit (the figs were pretty much reversed in the sub sample of SCon respondees).
https://twitter.com/sparkyhamill/status/1141264383403855872
'Uhm beggin' yae!'
'Where's your self respect?!'
But that's a function of conservatism: if you aren't currently useful, you're on your own. Maybe some of them will see the light over this?
As ever it's the voters that count. If you're a reasonably strong Unionist (absent all the sectarian, Brexit, Trump, EUSSR bollox) and thought the Tories were the protector of your unionism, how will you be feeling?0 -
Abdullah Patel?TheWhiteRabbit said:0 -
You need a contract with everyone you put on screen saying that - if they have not declared anything in their social media over the last x years that breaches the rules of their appearance - they will be personally liable to pay the broadcaster the sum of £y enforceable by court action. Might focus minds a bitrottenborough said:
Blimey. That throws up a major problem for broadcasters and so on doing background.Gallowgate said:0 -
Topped up on Gove at 50s and 40s last night .
Wonder if he has Cummings back on board.
This could be a fun ride.0 -
BBC - Team Gove denies talks with Rory Stewart about any deal.0
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The welfare state has not been destroyed over the past nine years. We have an enormous welfare state, and the government spends the equivalent of 41% of national income.Scott_P said:You may quibble at the source of this article, but there are lots of uncomfortable truths in it for any sensible Tories still listening...
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They could always exhume Woodrow Wyatt? Or at least feed his prodigious writing output into a reasonably competent AI and consult it?Chris said:
It's not enough. We need Farage in the cabinet too. And Ann Widdecombe. And scour the psychiatric wards too for some extra talent.kinabalu said:It is deeply worrying that who our next PM will be is in the gift of the tiny section of the population who happen to be paid up members of the Conservative Party.
However, I was reassured by this quote from a typical member of that select group of individuals -
Mr Edwards believes Mr Johnson has the best chance of securing a deal on 31 October, if he has the right cabinet.
"If he can get Jacob Rees-Mogg and Esther McVey in the cabinet they would be the real structure... and he could just be the celebrity," he added.0 -
Last night’s televised BBC debate saw five privileged men in suits bellowing over each other using a weird vocabulary of sycophancy and hubris.Sean_F said:
The welfare state has not been destroyed over the past nine years. We have an enormous welfare state, and the government spends the equivalent of 41% of national income.Scott_P said:You may quibble at the source of this article, but there are lots of uncomfortable truths in it for any sensible Tories still listening...
https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/1141265370998804481
I thought Javid was the son of a bus driver?0 -
I don't understand why you think that is mendacious. have you misunderstood him? It's surely correct that if a deal is close, the EU27 would almost certainly rapidly grant an extension if necessary; it only needs the Council to agree, which can be done very quickly. He wasn't saying it would only take 24 hours to agree a new deal.TOPPING said:**TRIGGER WARNING - NEGATIVE POST**
Of all the mendacious crap that was spouted last night for me among the most egregious was Gove's "just a day or two, say 48 hours" to extend the leaving date if a deal is close.
I mean I know the answer to the question what kind of idiot does he (they all) take us for but really. He actually said he believes it might take only an extra 24 hours to do a so far undoable deal.0 -
Well that escalated really quickly!Scott_P said:0 -
Yeah, the article is a load of prejudiced tosh.tlg86 said:
Last night’s televised BBC debate saw five privileged men in suits bellowing over each other using a weird vocabulary of sycophancy and hubris.Sean_F said:
The welfare state has not been destroyed over the past nine years. We have an enormous welfare state, and the government spends the equivalent of 41% of national income.Scott_P said:You may quibble at the source of this article, but there are lots of uncomfortable truths in it for any sensible Tories still listening...
https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/1141265370998804481
I thought Javid was the son of a bus driver?1 -
No deal isn't a plan.Philip_Thompson said:
Brexit by Oct 31, deal if possible, no deal if it can't be agreed.Gallowgate said:
What plan?Philip_Thompson said:
The new PM should vet all potential Cabinet ministers to ensure they are onboard fully with his plan, including all eventualities. If they're not then they shouldn't be appointed.MarqueeMark said:
Resigning from Cabinet seems to have certain merit with a sizeable chunk of the Conservative Parliamentary Party..... Fast-track to being PM.Philip_Thompson said:
No he shouldn't. He'll just leverage any post with threats to resign from it, so why not fast forward to the end point already?MarqueeMark said:
No - it will just be put about that he absented himself from having been able to prevent/lessen that shitstorm.eek said:
Why is that unwise. Collective responsibility during a s**tstorm that will be Brexit could destroy him as it will everyone in the cabinet.MarqueeMark said:
Boris would be a better leader if Rory were in his Cabinet, forcefully making a different case to that of the PM, week after week, then being bound by the collective responsibility of Cabinet. But (unwisely in my view) Rory has ruled himself out of being in a position to deliver that role.JackW said:
With the exception that Boris will win easily against Rory. Boris supporters in the constituencies are the Corbynites in Labour.Blue_rog said:Does anyone else think that the leadership election has some elements of the Labour one with Rory being the outsider who is lent votes to 'widen the conversation'? Let's hope he doesn't do a Corbyn.
Boris will be a better PM (low bar I know) if he's tested severely by Rory in the final two.
Rory sitting remote waiting for the hour (I won't say day as I suspect it will be very rapid) when things go pearshaped is the sensible plan.
PM Boris should still offer him a post - and make Rory decide to decline it.
But not if you'd rather go walkaout.0 -
Hubris. Followed by nemesis.Scott_P said:0 -
He wanted to minimise in peoples' minds the amount of delay that would likely be necessary and hence chose a frankly absurd time, namely one day. I mean the principle of delaying if a deal was in the offing makes perfect sense but he was obviously scared of saying something like "a few months" because he worried that he would be named and shamed as a Remainer so hence took the frankly bizarre position of saying our leaving would only be delayed by a day. I mean what set of circumstances can you imagine that it would only be a day extra required to do a deal? Makes no sense whatsoever.Richard_Nabavi said:
I don't understand why you think that is mendacious. have you misunderstood him? It's surely correct that if a deal is close, the EU27 would almost certainly rapidly grant an extension; it only needs the Council to agree, which can be done very quickly. He wasn't saying it would only take 24 hours to agree a new deal.TOPPING said:**TRIGGER WARNING - NEGATIVE POST**
Of all the mendacious crap that was spouted last night for me among the most egregious was Gove's "just a day or two, say 48 hours" to extend the leaving date if a deal is close.
I mean I know the answer to the question what kind of idiot does he (they all) take us for but really. He actually said he believes it might take only an extra 24 hours to do a so far undoable deal.0 -
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Noted sage Robert Peston thinks it will be Gove vs Boris. I'd better close my position!
https://www.itv.com/news/2019-06-19/which-tory-will-face-boris-johnson-in-the-members-ballot-asks-robert-peston/0 -
At this rate, it'd be easier to list the guests who aren't ropey.0
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It came over to me that they were saying if the deal, which can’t be renegotiated, only required a couple of days to complete then they would seek an extension for a couple of days.Richard_Nabavi said:
I don't understand why you think that is mendacious. have you misunderstood him? It's surely correct that if a deal is close, the EU27 would almost certainly rapidly grant an extension if necessary; it only needs the Council to agree, which can be done very quickly. He wasn't saying it would only take 24 hours to agree a new deal.TOPPING said:**TRIGGER WARNING - NEGATIVE POST**
Of all the mendacious crap that was spouted last night for me among the most egregious was Gove's "just a day or two, say 48 hours" to extend the leaving date if a deal is close.
I mean I know the answer to the question what kind of idiot does he (they all) take us for but really. He actually said he believes it might take only an extra 24 hours to do a so far undoable deal.0 -
Well I thought that shouty woman who claimed to have a husband with a property empire and a son working in the city came across more like a member of the socialist workers party FWIW...Slackbladder said:https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1141288153069654016
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No, you'd just get toasted unicorn.StuartDickson said:
Combine the unicorns and the dragons and you get a phoenix.HYUFD said:
Combine the Tories and the Brexit Party though and you get to over 40% in the polls, the Tories only stay around 20% and neck and neck with the Brexit Party if they fail to pick BorisFoxy said:
I think the clue was in the title "Our Next PM" so the questions came from across the political spectrum. They did not treat it as what it is, a leadership contest in a party currently running at 20% in the polls.TGOHF said:
All the woketard boxes were ticked with the questions last night - phobias, dead polar bears, evil cuts.dr_spyn said:
For some reason, the quoted twitter feed has gone. May be some surprised Guardian journalists and readers this morning.DecrepitJohnL said:
That Boris-booster Guido was even looking makes one suspect that he was not impressed by his man's handling of the question, especially when he let the Saj bounce him into conceding an inquiry (even if it can be kicked into the long grass).dr_spyn said:It appears that Guido has had a look at a twitter feed of one of the questioners last night. He appears to have some very robust views, the uncharitable would wonder why he was chosen to speak on air.
https://order-order.com/2019/06/19/abdullah-bristol-wants-know-panel-agree-words-consequences/
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/19/disappointing-and-deluded-imam-lambasts-tory-hopefuls-on-islamophobia
All added to the farce.
The closest thing to a chimera of the two is probably the Chinese Longma.0 -
I think you misunderstood him, but if you didn't then yes it is nonsense.TOPPING said:
He wanted to minimise in peoples' minds the amount of delay that would likely be necessary and hence chose a frankly absurd time, namely one day. I mean the principle of delaying if a deal was in the offing makes perfect sense but he was obviously scared of saying something like "a few months" because he worried that he would be named and shamed as a Remainer so hence took the frankly bizarre position of saying our leaving would only be delayed by a day. I mean what set of circumstances can you imagine that it would only be a day extra required to do a deal? Makes no sense whatsoever.Richard_Nabavi said:
I don't understand why you think that is mendacious. have you misunderstood him? It's surely correct that if a deal is close, the EU27 would almost certainly rapidly grant an extension; it only needs the Council to agree, which can be done very quickly. He wasn't saying it would only take 24 hours to agree a new deal.TOPPING said:**TRIGGER WARNING - NEGATIVE POST**
Of all the mendacious crap that was spouted last night for me among the most egregious was Gove's "just a day or two, say 48 hours" to extend the leaving date if a deal is close.
I mean I know the answer to the question what kind of idiot does he (they all) take us for but really. He actually said he believes it might take only an extra 24 hours to do a so far undoable deal.0 -
Denunciations of "privilege" generally come from the privileged.tlg86 said:
Last night’s televised BBC debate saw five privileged men in suits bellowing over each other using a weird vocabulary of sycophancy and hubris.Sean_F said:
The welfare state has not been destroyed over the past nine years. We have an enormous welfare state, and the government spends the equivalent of 41% of national income.Scott_P said:You may quibble at the source of this article, but there are lots of uncomfortable truths in it for any sensible Tories still listening...
https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/1141265370998804481
I thought Javid was the son of a bus driver?0 -
I really think the BBC needs to be held accountable here. It's happened far too often.Slackbladder said:https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1141288153069654016
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In fairness to the BBC staff it is a little confusing that there are higher standards for asking a question of the guests competing to be PM than it is to be one of the guests competing to be PM...
Edit: In reference to Abdullah comments anyway.0 -
It's not as if this is Top Gear - they were invited onto a political programme. The chance they had political views or experience was an obvious pointSlackbladder said:https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1141288153069654016
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Why are 'school' and 'Trust' in apostrophes?Scott_P said:
Reads really weird. Makes it read like its not really a school but is getting called one.0 -
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That was dreadfully disappointing from Michael. Fatuous, cynical nonsense. I've gone off him.TOPPING said:**TRIGGER WARNING - NEGATIVE POST**
Of all the mendacious crap that was spouted last night for me among the most egregious was Gove's "just a day or two, say 48 hours" to extend the leaving date if a deal is close.
I mean I know the answer to the question what kind of idiot does he (they all) take us for but really. He actually said he believes it might take only an extra 24 hours to do a so far undoable deal.
Meanwhile of them all Hunt emerged for me as the most likely to succeed. His "no deal" seriously worried me but I think Rory ruled himself out (shame for my large green on him), as did Boris, while Gove's solipsistic crap will surely not wash and The Saj was a bit meh.
The way he can redeem himself in my eyes is if when he gets knocked out (or if he makes the Final) he lets his contempt for Johnson rip and tries to do him some real damage. That he is talking to Rory Stewart about a pact (if the rumour is true) offers some hope of this.
Johnson wins this anyway - but let's have him crawling into Downing St with a few bullets in various parts of his anatomy*. That is the best outcome from here.
* Metaphorically. I do not condone violence. Never have. Never will.0 -
"I will make sure we leave the EU in good order. If we're almost there on 31st of October, I agree with Jeremy; who could object to a further 24 or 48 hours to get it over the line? You sometimes have extra time in football."Richard_Nabavi said:
I think you misunderstood him, but if you didn't then yes it is nonsense.TOPPING said:
He wanted to minimise in peoples' minds the amount of delay that would likely be necessary and hence chose a frankly absurd time, namely one day. I mean the principle of delaying if a deal was in the offing makes perfect sense but he was obviously scared of saying something like "a few months" because he worried that he would be named and shamed as a Remainer so hence took the frankly bizarre position of saying our leaving would only be delayed by a day. I mean what set of circumstances can you imagine that it would only be a day extra required to do a deal? Makes no sense whatsoever.Richard_Nabavi said:
I don't understand why you think that is mendacious. have you misunderstood him? It's surely correct that if a deal is close, the EU27 would almost certainly rapidly grant an extension; it only needs the Council to agree, which can be done very quickly. He wasn't saying it would only take 24 hours to agree a new deal.TOPPING said:**TRIGGER WARNING - NEGATIVE POST**
Of all the mendacious crap that was spouted last night for me among the most egregious was Gove's "just a day or two, say 48 hours" to extend the leaving date if a deal is close.
I mean I know the answer to the question what kind of idiot does he (they all) take us for but really. He actually said he believes it might take only an extra 24 hours to do a so far undoable deal.0 -
OK, fair enough.TOPPING said:"I will make sure we leave the EU in good order. If we're almost there on 31st of October, I agree with Jeremy; who could object to a further 24 or 48 hours to get it over the line? You sometimes have extra time in football."
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Those aren't apostrophes. You're as clueless about punctuation as he is.Philip_Thompson said:
Why are 'school' and 'Trust' in apostrophes?Scott_P said:
Reads really weird. Makes it read like its not really a school but is getting called one.0 -
BBC - Raab endorses Boris.0
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Also BBC - Pope is Catholic.JackW said:BBC - Raab endorses Boris.
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OK Mr Pedant, single quotation marks. Same button on keyboard.Dadge said:
Those aren't apostrophes. You're as clueless about punctuation as he is.Philip_Thompson said:
Why are 'school' and 'Trust' in apostrophes?Scott_P said:
Reads really weird. Makes it read like its not really a school but is getting called one.
It wasn't a political point. To me it reads really weird, is it correct grammar to use quotation marks there?0 -
Also BBC - Bear shits in woods.Gallowgate said:
Also BBC - Pope is Catholic.JackW said:BBC - Raab endorses Boris.
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I agree, I wonder what the intention was. Maybe a defined term-type deal?Philip_Thompson said:
OK Mr Pedant, single quotation marks. Same button on keyboard.Dadge said:
Those aren't apostrophes. You're as clueless about punctuation as he is.Philip_Thompson said:
Why are 'school' and 'Trust' in apostrophes?Scott_P said:
Reads really weird. Makes it read like its not really a school but is getting called one.
It wasn't a political point. To me it reads really weird, is it correct grammar to use quotation marks there?0 -
If the questions were limited to individuals holding conservative membership cards then it shouldn’t be on national tv, it was not billed as next Tory leader but next UK PM. The questions they asked are more important than who delivers them. What difference would it have made it Mr Patel from x asked the following or miss y from z.Blue_rog said:
I really think the BBC needs to be held accountable here. It's happened far too often.Slackbladder said:https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1141288153069654016
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Last night's fiasco might well make party leaders more averse to leadership debates at the next election. It was a complete waste of time.0
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Really, though? Have you thought that through?nichomar said:
If the questions were limited to individuals holding conservative membership cards then it shouldn’t be on national tv, it was not billed as next Tory leader but next UK PM. The questions they asked are more important than who delivers them. What difference would it have made it Mr Patel from x asked the following or miss y from z.Blue_rog said:
I really think the BBC needs to be held accountable here. It's happened far too often.Slackbladder said:https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1141288153069654016
what the f**king f***?
You'd be happy with ANYONE asking questions?0 -
She was priceless.GIN1138 said:
Well I thought that shouty woman who claimed to have a husband with a property empire and a son working in the city came across more like a member of the socialist workers party FWIW...Slackbladder said:https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1141288153069654016
what the f**king f***?1 -
Also BBC - ordinary member of the public is political activist.Philip_Thompson said:
Also BBC - Bear shits in woods.Gallowgate said:
Also BBC - Pope is Catholic.JackW said:BBC - Raab endorses Boris.
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I wouldn't agree to card holding Tories asking the questions either. The format was for 'ordinary' members of the public to ask questions. If they have a political agenda themselves it casts doubt on the validity of the question.nichomar said:
If the questions were limited to individuals holding conservative membership cards then it shouldn’t be on national tv, it was not billed as next Tory leader but next UK PM. The questions they asked are more important than who delivers them. What difference would it have made it Mr Patel from x asked the following or miss y from z.Blue_rog said:
I really think the BBC needs to be held accountable here. It's happened far too often.Slackbladder said:https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1141288153069654016
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A fucking Previa. What an indictment of his broad spectrum moral and intellectual failure.Foxy said:
In other important news I see Boris's car is yet to have the makeover!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7152985/Inside-Boris-Johnsons-litter-strewn-Toyota-Previa.html0 -
Quite a bit, if the questioner is in fact an activist or even worse a staffer for a rival party trying to make a political point rather than ask a genuine question. At the very least they should declare their membership of another party (and the Beeb should have checked this).nichomar said:If the questions were limited to individuals holding conservative membership cards then it shouldn’t be on national tv, it was not billed as next Tory leader but next UK PM. The questions they asked are more important than who delivers them. What difference would it have made it Mr Patel from x asked the following or miss y from z.
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Provided the question was pre vetted and was representative of similar suggested ones then yes. You’d have to be prepared to mute them if they went off message.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Really, though? Have you thought that through?nichomar said:
If the questions were limited to individuals holding conservative membership cards then it shouldn’t be on national tv, it was not billed as next Tory leader but next UK PM. The questions they asked are more important than who delivers them. What difference would it have made it Mr Patel from x asked the following or miss y from z.Blue_rog said:
I really think the BBC needs to be held accountable here. It's happened far too often.Slackbladder said:https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1141288153069654016
what the f**king f***?
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Not being an expert but I'm pretty sure she was at least deaf and perhaps had some other condition.tlg86 said:
She was priceless.GIN1138 said:
Well I thought that shouty woman who claimed to have a husband with a property empire and a son working in the city came across more like a member of the socialist workers party FWIW...Slackbladder said:https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1141288153069654016
what the f**king f***?
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Still BBC - self-selecting audience member of political programme is political activist.Tissue_Price said:
Also BBC - ordinary member of the public is political activist.Philip_Thompson said:
Also BBC - Bear shits in woods.Gallowgate said:
Also BBC - Pope is Catholic.JackW said:BBC - Raab endorses Boris.
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The drafting suggests he was desperate to write, privileged white men and had to come up with second besttlg86 said:
Last night’s televised BBC debate saw five privileged men in suits bellowing over each other using a weird vocabulary of sycophancy and hubris.Sean_F said:
The welfare state has not been destroyed over the past nine years. We have an enormous welfare state, and the government spends the equivalent of 41% of national income.Scott_P said:You may quibble at the source of this article, but there are lots of uncomfortable truths in it for any sensible Tories still listening...
https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/1141265370998804481
I thought Javid was the son of a bus driver?0 -
also even more so when the interviewer went back to the question asker, and they're able to say' none of them were good answers', which happened on a number of occasions.Richard_Nabavi said:
Quite a bit, if the questioner is in fact an activist or even worse a staffer for a rival party trying to make a political point rather than ask a genuine question. At the very least they should declare their membership of another party (and the Beeb should have checked this).nichomar said:If the questions were limited to individuals holding conservative membership cards then it shouldn’t be on national tv, it was not billed as next Tory leader but next UK PM. The questions they asked are more important than who delivers them. What difference would it have made it Mr Patel from x asked the following or miss y from z.
Wonder where they got the young woman with the climate change question now. Is she an activist?
IE the one with the crazy notion we can go 'carbon neutral' in 6 years.0 -
That is shocking! Not that they knew but they should have declared it.tlg86 said:0 -
And the idiot who said Hunt's answer was great, but Stewart hadn't answered the question (when he clearly had, just not with the answer the idiot wanted to hear)Slackbladder said:
also even more so when the interviewer went back to the question asker, and they're able to say' none of them were good answers', which happened on a number of occasions.Richard_Nabavi said:
Quite a bit, if the questioner is in fact an activist or even worse a staffer for a rival party trying to make a political point rather than ask a genuine question. At the very least they should declare their membership of another party (and the Beeb should have checked this).nichomar said:If the questions were limited to individuals holding conservative membership cards then it shouldn’t be on national tv, it was not billed as next Tory leader but next UK PM. The questions they asked are more important than who delivers them. What difference would it have made it Mr Patel from x asked the following or miss y from z.
Wonder where they got the young woman with the climate change question now. Is she an activist?
IE the one with the crazy notion we can go 'carbon neutral' in 6 years.1 -
The pb.com tories longstanding infatuation with the jug eared geek is just mystifying. He needs to jump straight to the end of his political career and morph into a Portillo style national treasure. Perhaps he could open that fair trade hiking boot co-operative of which he has so often spoken.Norm said:
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But if social media explains the drying up of talented recruits to the SCons, SLab and SLD over the past two decades, why hasn’t that also hit the SNP?eek said:
I don't think it's that - Given Social Media, 24 hour news and complainers have 24/7 access to you via social media who on earth wants to be politician...StuartDickson said:
We don’t need to be superstars. We just need to be better than our opponents.
The Scons, SLDs and SLabbers are just making life too easy for us. Their problem is that over the decades recruitment has dried up. Must be all that negativity putting young people off.
There are easier (and more profitable) ways to change the world nowadays.
SNP membership level has rocketed during the Social Media Age.
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I see today we are getting more evidence of what the supporters of modern Corbyn led Labour party are like..0
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Um did you notice the other four blokes taking part? One of them will be your prime minister shortly. Who would you rather have?Dura_Ace said:
The pb.com tories longstanding infatuation with the jug eared geek is just mystifying. He needs to jump straight to the end of his political career and morph into a Portillo style national treasure. Perhaps he could open that fair trade hiking boot co-operative of which he has so often spoken.Norm said:
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Said from a tw@t whose life is so empty that he has to endanger his life - and more impotently, that of others - by speeding.Dura_Ace said:
The pb.com tories longstanding infatuation with the jug eared geek is just mystifying. He needs to jump straight to the end of his political career and morph into a Portillo style national treasure. Perhaps he could open that fair trade hiking boot co-operative of which he has so often spoken.Norm said:
Stewart 4/10 Weirdo totally unsuited for PM role
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Same button on keyboard? What sort of keyboard are you using? An American one? I agree with your point though. I find great amusement in unnecessary quotation marks.Philip_Thompson said:
OK Mr Pedant, single quotation marks. Same button on keyboard.Dadge said:
Those aren't apostrophes. You're as clueless about punctuation as he is.Philip_Thompson said:
Why are 'school' and 'Trust' in apostrophes?Scott_P said:
Reads really weird. Makes it read like its not really a school but is getting called one.
It wasn't a political point. To me it reads really weird, is it correct grammar to use quotation marks there?0 -
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No an English one. The ' button is located with @ as its shift-option two keys to the right of L.Cookie said:
Same button on keyboard? What sort of keyboard are you using? An American one? I agree with your point though. I find great amusement in unnecessary quotation marks.Philip_Thompson said:
OK Mr Pedant, single quotation marks. Same button on keyboard.Dadge said:
Those aren't apostrophes. You're as clueless about punctuation as he is.Philip_Thompson said:
Why are 'school' and 'Trust' in apostrophes?Scott_P said:
Reads really weird. Makes it read like its not really a school but is getting called one.
It wasn't a political point. To me it reads really weird, is it correct grammar to use quotation marks there?
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Perhaps the US system of just having a moderator decide or choose what the questions are is better.PeterMannion said:
And the idiot who said Hunt's answer was great, but Stewart hadn't answered the question (when he clearly had, just not with the answer the idiot wanted to hear)Slackbladder said:
also even more so when the interviewer went back to the question asker, and they're able to say' none of them were good answers', which happened on a number of occasions.Richard_Nabavi said:
Quite a bit, if the questioner is in fact an activist or even worse a staffer for a rival party trying to make a political point rather than ask a genuine question. At the very least they should declare their membership of another party (and the Beeb should have checked this).nichomar said:If the questions were limited to individuals holding conservative membership cards then it shouldn’t be on national tv, it was not billed as next Tory leader but next UK PM. The questions they asked are more important than who delivers them. What difference would it have made it Mr Patel from x asked the following or miss y from z.
Wonder where they got the young woman with the climate change question now. Is she an activist?
IE the one with the crazy notion we can go 'carbon neutral' in 6 years.0 -
Oh, I see. I thought you were using some weirdy keyboard with ', and " on the same button, one being the shift of the other.Philip_Thompson said:
No an English one. The ' button is located with @ as its shift-option two keys to the right of L.Cookie said:
Same button on keyboard? What sort of keyboard are you using? An American one? I agree with your point though. I find great amusement in unnecessary quotation marks.Philip_Thompson said:
OK Mr Pedant, single quotation marks. Same button on keyboard.Dadge said:
Those aren't apostrophes. You're as clueless about punctuation as he is.Philip_Thompson said:
Why are 'school' and 'Trust' in apostrophes?Scott_P said:
Reads really weird. Makes it read like its not really a school but is getting called one.
It wasn't a political point. To me it reads really weird, is it correct grammar to use quotation marks there?
There is also an ` option to the left of 1 but that isn't the button used.0 -
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Not on an Apple UK keyboard...Philip_Thompson said:
No an English one. The ' button is located with @ as its shift-option two keys to the right of L.Cookie said:
Same button on keyboard? What sort of keyboard are you using? An American one? I agree with your point though. I find great amusement in unnecessary quotation marks.Philip_Thompson said:
OK Mr Pedant, single quotation marks. Same button on keyboard.Dadge said:
Those aren't apostrophes. You're as clueless about punctuation as he is.Philip_Thompson said:
Why are 'school' and 'Trust' in apostrophes?Scott_P said:
Reads really weird. Makes it read like its not really a school but is getting called one.
It wasn't a political point. To me it reads really weird, is it correct grammar to use quotation marks there?
There is also an ` option to the left of 1 but that isn't the button used.0 -
Self-selecting? So they just rocked up and sat down? They weren't selected to take part from a greater pool of applicants?TOPPING said:
Still BBC - self-selecting audience member of political programme is political activist.Tissue_Price said:
Also BBC - ordinary member of the public is political activist.Philip_Thompson said:
Also BBC - Bear shits in woods.Gallowgate said:
Also BBC - Pope is Catholic.JackW said:BBC - Raab endorses Boris.
No harm in having activists from any party involved but if its known they to be then they should be declared as such.0 -
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They had to apply. That is self-selecting.Philip_Thompson said:
Self-selecting? So they just rocked up and sat down? They weren't selected to take part from a greater pool of applicants?TOPPING said:
Still BBC - self-selecting audience member of political programme is political activist.Tissue_Price said:
Also BBC - ordinary member of the public is political activist.Philip_Thompson said:
Also BBC - Bear shits in woods.Gallowgate said:
Also BBC - Pope is Catholic.JackW said:BBC - Raab endorses Boris.
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No the " symbol is above 2 but that wasn't the symbol discussed. That's why I called it an apostrope is subconsciously that's what I use that key for, it I want a quotation I normally use " and not '.Cookie said:
Oh, I see. I thought you were using some weirdy keyboard with ', and " on the same button, one being the shift of the other.Philip_Thompson said:
No an English one. The ' button is located with @ as its shift-option two keys to the right of L.Cookie said:
Same button on keyboard? What sort of keyboard are you using? An American one? I agree with your point though. I find great amusement in unnecessary quotation marks.Philip_Thompson said:
OK Mr Pedant, single quotation marks. Same button on keyboard.Dadge said:
Those aren't apostrophes. You're as clueless about punctuation as he is.Philip_Thompson said:
Why are 'school' and 'Trust' in apostrophes?Scott_P said:
Reads really weird. Makes it read like its not really a school but is getting called one.
It wasn't a political point. To me it reads really weird, is it correct grammar to use quotation marks there?
There is also an ` option to the left of 1 but that isn't the button used.0 -
Just going back to the point about an explicit condition of the last extension being that there would be no renegotiation of the Withdrawal Agreement.
Of course you can say it's all politics and that can change. But with regard to the commitments now being made about dates - surely as the European Council has formally stated this, it can be reversed only by a further decision of the Council?
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Regarding Stewart saying he's talking to Gove, here's what I think is happening -
Stewart has sussed that Raab's group are thinking of voting Javid to knock Stewart out. He also knows that Raab's group ultimately want Johnson and therefore, like Johnson, want Johnson vs Hunt in the Final. So he plants the fear that if he is knocked out he will switch to Gove and thus help Gove make the Final rather than Hunt. Raab's group swallow this and therefore do NOT vote Javid and therefore Javid gets knocked out. Stewart makes the last 4 and now picks up Javid (notice how they hugged after the debate?). It's enough to overtake Gove, who is knocked out, and Stewart makes the last 3. Stewart now appeals to all of those MPs who want Johnson to face an uncomfortable Final. There are lots of them, Stewart overtakes Hunt. He makes the Final. It's him against Johnson.
He loses big style.
Was it worth it? - He clearly thinks so.0 -
That's pretty old hat. It's convention nowadays to use a single quotation mark unless you are quoting within a quote.Philip_Thompson said:
No the " symbol is above 2 but that wasn't the symbol discussed. That's why I called it an apostrope is subconsciously that's what I use that key for, it I want a quotation I normally use " and not '.Cookie said:
Oh, I see. I thought you were using some weirdy keyboard with ', and " on the same button, one being the shift of the other.Philip_Thompson said:
No an English one. The ' button is located with @ as its shift-option two keys to the right of L.Cookie said:
Same button on keyboard? What sort of keyboard are you using? An American one? I agree with your point though. I find great amusement in unnecessary quotation marks.Philip_Thompson said:
OK Mr Pedant, single quotation marks. Same button on keyboard.Dadge said:
Those aren't apostrophes. You're as clueless about punctuation as he is.Philip_Thompson said:
Why are 'school' and 'Trust' in apostrophes?Scott_P said:
Reads really weird. Makes it read like its not really a school but is getting called one.
It wasn't a political point. To me it reads really weird, is it correct grammar to use quotation marks there?
There is also an ` option to the left of 1 but that isn't the button used.
However, if you're going to take someone to task over punctuation and grammar it's good to make sure your own house is in order. Just saying0 -
Hunt disqualifies himself by his resemblance to Roland Rat and the prominent display of the Butcher's Apron on the lapel. Boris is unsuitable by dint of driving a Previa. So, in a forced choice, it would have to be THE SAJ. I'm pretty sure I've seen him driving a G11 7 Series.TOPPING said:
Um did you notice the other four blokes taking part? One of them will be your prime minister shortly. Who would you rather have?Dura_Ace said:
The pb.com tories longstanding infatuation with the jug eared geek is just mystifying. He needs to jump straight to the end of his political career and morph into a Portillo style national treasure. Perhaps he could open that fair trade hiking boot co-operative of which he has so often spoken.Norm said:
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This charade has been going on with Question Time for far too long, you can tell from the cheers and boos that they are no longer an audience of the public but political activists with a set script.TGOHF said:
The BBC should be very careful of fusing politics and entertainment together, one of the key reasons behind a public tv station is surely for giving an educational and informative view of politics rather than creating theatre and drama to drive up ad revenue.0