In other news, a wee insight into the impact on SCons of the poll revealing 63% of Con members see losing Scotland as as price worth paying for Brexit (the figs were pretty much reversed in the sub sample of SCon respondees).
I really feel for Scottish unionist conservatives. They are utterly homeless right now. But that's a function of conservatism: if you aren't currently useful, you're on your own. Maybe some of them will see the light over this?
What was Abdullah saying on twitter before his account mysteriously vanished this morning?
The jews, the jews, the jews...i am a massive fan of corbyn...the jews...evil tories.
So just your regular member of the public.
It doesn't invalidate his question though about words having consequences.
Good to see the left rowing back on their no platforming of people with controversial views
So if Foxy (who is, I believe, a Lib Dem) represents "the left", are you spokesperson for "the far right" ?
A lot of Lib Dems especially of the SDP-vein of the party (including I believe Foxy) are on the left. Hence the talk of splitting the vote versus Thatcher and cries of betrayal when they entered the Coalition with the Conservatives.
Do you think if there had been a Labour/Lib Dem Coalition there would have been comparable complaints of betrayal?
Shouldnt that have been a bit of a red flag? Also you can still search in a number if different ways of somebodies old tweets even if account isnt activated.
LOL! That will be the weirdest pairing since Clarke and Redwood teamed up!
Not really.
Gove is a moderniser at heart - arguably to a fault, since not everything is broken.
Brexit is the odd one out.
Who gets PM???
Boris
I guess the idea is the Boris wants to face Hunt in final, so let's give him Gove instead with Rory as his FCO.
I really don't get that. Boris will win against whomever. But surely facing a weirdo like Gove is better. I mean, Hunt seems relatively normal, so when Boris's admin goes tits up, people will think "if only we had chosen the other guy!" But if it was Gove, it'd be more "well, it didn't go well, but we couldn't really have chosen pob."
It is deeply worrying that who our next PM will be is in the gift of the tiny section of the population who happen to be paid up members of the Conservative Party.
However, I was reassured by this quote from a typical member of that select group of individuals -
Mr Edwards believes Mr Johnson has the best chance of securing a deal on 31 October, if he has the right cabinet.
"If he can get Jacob Rees-Mogg and Esther McVey in the cabinet they would be the real structure... and he could just be the celebrity," he added.
What was Abdullah saying on twitter before his account mysteriously vanished this morning?
The jews, the jews, the jews...i am a massive fan of corbyn...the jews...evil tories.
So just your regular member of the public.
It doesn't invalidate his question though about words having consequences.
Good to see the left rowing back on their no platforming of people with controversial views
So if Foxy (who is, I believe, a Lib Dem) represents "the left", are you spokesperson for "the far right" ?
A lot of Lib Dems especially of the SDP-vein of the party (including I believe Foxy) are on the left. Hence the talk of splitting the vote versus Thatcher and cries of betrayal when they entered the Coalition with the Conservatives.
Do you think if there had been a Labour/Lib Dem Coalition there would have been comparable complaints of betrayal?
Betrayal is in the DNA of the LibDems. You can't trust them.
If you want left, then vote for a left wing party. If you want right, then vote for a right wing party.
What was Abdullah saying on twitter before his account mysteriously vanished this morning?
The jews, the jews, the jews...i am a massive fan of corbyn...the jews...evil tories.
So just your regular member of the public.
It doesn't invalidate his question though about words having consequences.
Good to see the left rowing back on their no platforming of people with controversial views
So if Foxy (who is, I believe, a Lib Dem) represents "the left", are you spokesperson for "the far right" ?
A lot of Lib Dems especially of the SDP-vein of the party (including I believe Foxy) are on the left. Hence the talk of splitting the vote versus Thatcher and cries of betrayal when they entered the Coalition with the Conservatives.
Do you think if there had been a Labour/Lib Dem Coalition there would have been comparable complaints of betrayal?
Betrayal is in the DNA of the LibDems. You can't trust them.
If you want left, then vote for a left wing party. If you want right, then vote for a right wing party.
My delayed verdict on BBC's PM farce last night. Boris 5/10 Still gives an impression of winging it. That worries me. Hunt 7/10 Better than expected. Should be in final 2 Gove 6/10 OK but too earnest to be a PM of the people Javid 6/10 Mixed. A bit desperate at times but one for the next race Stewart 4/10 Weirdo totally unsuited for PM role
It is deeply worrying that who our next PM will be is in the gift of the tiny section of the population who happen to be paid up members of the Conservative Party.
However, I was reassured by this quote from a typical member of that select group of individuals -
Mr Edwards believes Mr Johnson has the best chance of securing a deal on 31 October, if he has the right cabinet.
"If he can get Jacob Rees-Mogg and Esther McVey in the cabinet they would be the real structure... and he could just be the celebrity," he added.
It's not enough. We need Farage in the cabinet too. And Ann Widdecombe. And scour the psychiatric wards too for some extra talent.
Does anyone else think that the leadership election has some elements of the Labour one with Rory being the outsider who is lent votes to 'widen the conversation'? Let's hope he doesn't do a Corbyn.
With the exception that Boris will win easily against Rory. Boris supporters in the constituencies are the Corbynites in Labour.
Boris will be a better PM (low bar I know) if he's tested severely by Rory in the final two.
Boris would be a better leader if Rory were in his Cabinet, forcefully making a different case to that of the PM, week after week, then being bound by the collective responsibility of Cabinet. But (unwisely in my view) Rory has ruled himself out of being in a position to deliver that role.
Why is that unwise. Collective responsibility during a s**tstorm that will be Brexit could destroy him as it will everyone in the cabinet.
Rory sitting remote waiting for the hour (I won't say day as I suspect it will be very rapid) when things go pearshaped is the sensible plan.
No - it will just be put about that he absented himself from having been able to prevent/lessen that shitstorm.
PM Boris should still offer him a post - and make Rory decide to decline it.
No he shouldn't. He'll just leverage any post with threats to resign from it, so why not fast forward to the end point already?
Resigning from Cabinet seems to have certain merit with a sizeable chunk of the Conservative Parliamentary Party..... Fast-track to being PM.
But not if you'd rather go walkaout.
The new PM should vet all potential Cabinet ministers to ensure they are onboard fully with his plan, including all eventualities. If they're not then they shouldn't be appointed.
What plan?
Brexit by Oct 31, deal if possible, no deal if it can't be agreed.
It's something - but I'm not sure it's a plan more a suicide pact.
What was Abdullah saying on twitter before his account mysteriously vanished this morning?
The jews, the jews, the jews...i am a massive fan of corbyn...the jews...evil tories.
So just your regular member of the public.
It doesn't invalidate his question though about words having consequences.
Good to see the left rowing back on their no platforming of people with controversial views
So if Foxy (who is, I believe, a Lib Dem) represents "the left", are you spokesperson for "the far right" ?
A lot of Lib Dems especially of the SDP-vein of the party (including I believe Foxy) are on the left. Hence the talk of splitting the vote versus Thatcher and cries of betrayal when they entered the Coalition with the Conservatives.
Do you think if there had been a Labour/Lib Dem Coalition there would have been comparable complaints of betrayal?
A LibDem / Corbyn coalition ? There'd be complaints of insanity.
Back then... keeping Brown in power, ditto.
That you seem able only to consider the centre ground as the enabler of one or other of the political extremes is your problem.
Of all the mendacious crap that was spouted last night for me among the most egregious was Gove's "just a day or two, say 48 hours" to extend the leaving date if a deal is close.
I mean I know the answer to the question what kind of idiot does he (they all) take us for but really. He actually said he believes it might take only an extra 24 hours to do a so far undoable deal.
Meanwhile of them all Hunt emerged for me as the most likely to succeed. His "no deal" seriously worried me but I think Rory ruled himself out (shame for my large green on him), as did Boris, while Gove's solipsistic crap will surely not wash and The Saj was a bit meh.
In other news, a wee insight into the impact on SCons of the poll revealing 63% of Con members see losing Scotland as as price worth paying for Brexit (the figs were pretty much reversed in the sub sample of SCon respondees).
I really feel for Scottish unionist conservatives. They are utterly homeless right now. But that's a function of conservatism: if you aren't currently useful, you're on your own. Maybe some of them will see the light over this?
I think the the party hacks are too far entrenched in the 'Brexit is the will of the British people and must be enacted' position to extricate themselves without a great deal of difficulty, though there must be an interesting turmoil of feelings in their breasts currently.
As ever it's the voters that count. If you're a reasonably strong Unionist (absent all the sectarian, Brexit, Trump, EUSSR bollox) and thought the Tories were the protector of your unionism, how will you be feeling?
Blimey. That throws up a major problem for broadcasters and so on doing background.
You need a contract with everyone you put on screen saying that - if they have not declared anything in their social media over the last x years that breaches the rules of their appearance - they will be personally liable to pay the broadcaster the sum of £y enforceable by court action. Might focus minds a bit
The welfare state has not been destroyed over the past nine years. We have an enormous welfare state, and the government spends the equivalent of 41% of national income.
It is deeply worrying that who our next PM will be is in the gift of the tiny section of the population who happen to be paid up members of the Conservative Party.
However, I was reassured by this quote from a typical member of that select group of individuals -
Mr Edwards believes Mr Johnson has the best chance of securing a deal on 31 October, if he has the right cabinet.
"If he can get Jacob Rees-Mogg and Esther McVey in the cabinet they would be the real structure... and he could just be the celebrity," he added.
It's not enough. We need Farage in the cabinet too. And Ann Widdecombe. And scour the psychiatric wards too for some extra talent.
They could always exhume Woodrow Wyatt? Or at least feed his prodigious writing output into a reasonably competent AI and consult it?
The welfare state has not been destroyed over the past nine years. We have an enormous welfare state, and the government spends the equivalent of 41% of national income.
Last night’s televised BBC debate saw five privileged men in suits bellowing over each other using a weird vocabulary of sycophancy and hubris.
Of all the mendacious crap that was spouted last night for me among the most egregious was Gove's "just a day or two, say 48 hours" to extend the leaving date if a deal is close.
I mean I know the answer to the question what kind of idiot does he (they all) take us for but really. He actually said he believes it might take only an extra 24 hours to do a so far undoable deal.
I don't understand why you think that is mendacious. have you misunderstood him? It's surely correct that if a deal is close, the EU27 would almost certainly rapidly grant an extension if necessary; it only needs the Council to agree, which can be done very quickly. He wasn't saying it would only take 24 hours to agree a new deal.
The welfare state has not been destroyed over the past nine years. We have an enormous welfare state, and the government spends the equivalent of 41% of national income.
Last night’s televised BBC debate saw five privileged men in suits bellowing over each other using a weird vocabulary of sycophancy and hubris.
Does anyone else think that the leadership election has some elements of the Labour one with Rory being the outsider who is lent votes to 'widen the conversation'? Let's hope he doesn't do a Corbyn.
With the exception that Boris will win easily against Rory. Boris supporters in the constituencies are the Corbynites in Labour.
Boris will be a better PM (low bar I know) if he's tested severely by Rory in the final two.
Boris would be a better leader if Rory were in his Cabinet, forcefully making a different case to that of the PM, week after week, then being bound by the collective responsibility of Cabinet. But (unwisely in my view) Rory has ruled himself out of being in a position to deliver that role.
Why is that unwise. Collective responsibility during a s**tstorm that will be Brexit could destroy him as it will everyone in the cabinet.
Rory sitting remote waiting for the hour (I won't say day as I suspect it will be very rapid) when things go pearshaped is the sensible plan.
No - it will just be put about that he absented himself from having been able to prevent/lessen that shitstorm.
PM Boris should still offer him a post - and make Rory decide to decline it.
No he shouldn't. He'll just leverage any post with threats to resign from it, so why not fast forward to the end point already?
Resigning from Cabinet seems to have certain merit with a sizeable chunk of the Conservative Parliamentary Party..... Fast-track to being PM.
But not if you'd rather go walkaout.
The new PM should vet all potential Cabinet ministers to ensure they are onboard fully with his plan, including all eventualities. If they're not then they shouldn't be appointed.
What plan?
Brexit by Oct 31, deal if possible, no deal if it can't be agreed.
Of all the mendacious crap that was spouted last night for me among the most egregious was Gove's "just a day or two, say 48 hours" to extend the leaving date if a deal is close.
I mean I know the answer to the question what kind of idiot does he (they all) take us for but really. He actually said he believes it might take only an extra 24 hours to do a so far undoable deal.
I don't understand why you think that is mendacious. have you misunderstood him? It's surely correct that if a deal is close, the EU27 would almost certainly rapidly grant an extension; it only needs the Council to agree, which can be done very quickly. He wasn't saying it would only take 24 hours to agree a new deal.
He wanted to minimise in peoples' minds the amount of delay that would likely be necessary and hence chose a frankly absurd time, namely one day. I mean the principle of delaying if a deal was in the offing makes perfect sense but he was obviously scared of saying something like "a few months" because he worried that he would be named and shamed as a Remainer so hence took the frankly bizarre position of saying our leaving would only be delayed by a day. I mean what set of circumstances can you imagine that it would only be a day extra required to do a deal? Makes no sense whatsoever.
Of all the mendacious crap that was spouted last night for me among the most egregious was Gove's "just a day or two, say 48 hours" to extend the leaving date if a deal is close.
I mean I know the answer to the question what kind of idiot does he (they all) take us for but really. He actually said he believes it might take only an extra 24 hours to do a so far undoable deal.
I don't understand why you think that is mendacious. have you misunderstood him? It's surely correct that if a deal is close, the EU27 would almost certainly rapidly grant an extension if necessary; it only needs the Council to agree, which can be done very quickly. He wasn't saying it would only take 24 hours to agree a new deal.
It came over to me that they were saying if the deal, which can’t be renegotiated, only required a couple of days to complete then they would seek an extension for a couple of days.
Well I thought that shouty woman who claimed to have a husband with a property empire and a son working in the city came across more like a member of the socialist workers party FWIW...
It appears that Guido has had a look at a twitter feed of one of the questioners last night. He appears to have some very robust views, the uncharitable would wonder why he was chosen to speak on air.
That Boris-booster Guido was even looking makes one suspect that he was not impressed by his man's handling of the question, especially when he let the Saj bounce him into conceding an inquiry (even if it can be kicked into the long grass).
For some reason, the quoted twitter feed has gone. May be some surprised Guardian journalists and readers this morning.
All the woketard boxes were ticked with the questions last night - phobias, dead polar bears, evil cuts.
All added to the farce.
I think the clue was in the title "Our Next PM" so the questions came from across the political spectrum. They did not treat it as what it is, a leadership contest in a party currently running at 20% in the polls.
Combine the Tories and the Brexit Party though and you get to over 40% in the polls, the Tories only stay around 20% and neck and neck with the Brexit Party if they fail to pick Boris
Combine the unicorns and the dragons and you get a phoenix.
No, you'd just get toasted unicorn.
The closest thing to a chimera of the two is probably the Chinese Longma.
Of all the mendacious crap that was spouted last night for me among the most egregious was Gove's "just a day or two, say 48 hours" to extend the leaving date if a deal is close.
I mean I know the answer to the question what kind of idiot does he (they all) take us for but really. He actually said he believes it might take only an extra 24 hours to do a so far undoable deal.
I don't understand why you think that is mendacious. have you misunderstood him? It's surely correct that if a deal is close, the EU27 would almost certainly rapidly grant an extension; it only needs the Council to agree, which can be done very quickly. He wasn't saying it would only take 24 hours to agree a new deal.
He wanted to minimise in peoples' minds the amount of delay that would likely be necessary and hence chose a frankly absurd time, namely one day. I mean the principle of delaying if a deal was in the offing makes perfect sense but he was obviously scared of saying something like "a few months" because he worried that he would be named and shamed as a Remainer so hence took the frankly bizarre position of saying our leaving would only be delayed by a day. I mean what set of circumstances can you imagine that it would only be a day extra required to do a deal? Makes no sense whatsoever.
I think you misunderstood him, but if you didn't then yes it is nonsense.
The welfare state has not been destroyed over the past nine years. We have an enormous welfare state, and the government spends the equivalent of 41% of national income.
Last night’s televised BBC debate saw five privileged men in suits bellowing over each other using a weird vocabulary of sycophancy and hubris.
I thought Javid was the son of a bus driver?
Denunciations of "privilege" generally come from the privileged.
In fairness to the BBC staff it is a little confusing that there are higher standards for asking a question of the guests competing to be PM than it is to be one of the guests competing to be PM...
Of all the mendacious crap that was spouted last night for me among the most egregious was Gove's "just a day or two, say 48 hours" to extend the leaving date if a deal is close.
I mean I know the answer to the question what kind of idiot does he (they all) take us for but really. He actually said he believes it might take only an extra 24 hours to do a so far undoable deal.
Meanwhile of them all Hunt emerged for me as the most likely to succeed. His "no deal" seriously worried me but I think Rory ruled himself out (shame for my large green on him), as did Boris, while Gove's solipsistic crap will surely not wash and The Saj was a bit meh.
That was dreadfully disappointing from Michael. Fatuous, cynical nonsense. I've gone off him.
The way he can redeem himself in my eyes is if when he gets knocked out (or if he makes the Final) he lets his contempt for Johnson rip and tries to do him some real damage. That he is talking to Rory Stewart about a pact (if the rumour is true) offers some hope of this.
Johnson wins this anyway - but let's have him crawling into Downing St with a few bullets in various parts of his anatomy*. That is the best outcome from here.
* Metaphorically. I do not condone violence. Never have. Never will.
Of all the mendacious crap that was spouted last night for me among the most egregious was Gove's "just a day or two, say 48 hours" to extend the leaving date if a deal is close.
I mean I know the answer to the question what kind of idiot does he (they all) take us for but really. He actually said he believes it might take only an extra 24 hours to do a so far undoable deal.
I don't understand why you think that is mendacious. have you misunderstood him? It's surely correct that if a deal is close, the EU27 would almost certainly rapidly grant an extension; it only needs the Council to agree, which can be done very quickly. He wasn't saying it would only take 24 hours to agree a new deal.
He wanted to minimise in peoples' minds the amount of delay that would likely be necessary and hence chose a frankly absurd time, namely one day. I mean the principle of delaying if a deal was in the offing makes perfect sense but he was obviously scared of saying something like "a few months" because he worried that he would be named and shamed as a Remainer so hence took the frankly bizarre position of saying our leaving would only be delayed by a day. I mean what set of circumstances can you imagine that it would only be a day extra required to do a deal? Makes no sense whatsoever.
I think you misunderstood him, but if you didn't then yes it is nonsense.
"I will make sure we leave the EU in good order. If we're almost there on 31st of October, I agree with Jeremy; who could object to a further 24 or 48 hours to get it over the line? You sometimes have extra time in football."
"I will make sure we leave the EU in good order. If we're almost there on 31st of October, I agree with Jeremy; who could object to a further 24 or 48 hours to get it over the line? You sometimes have extra time in football."
I really think the BBC needs to be held accountable here. It's happened far too often.
If the questions were limited to individuals holding conservative membership cards then it shouldn’t be on national tv, it was not billed as next Tory leader but next UK PM. The questions they asked are more important than who delivers them. What difference would it have made it Mr Patel from x asked the following or miss y from z.
I really think the BBC needs to be held accountable here. It's happened far too often.
If the questions were limited to individuals holding conservative membership cards then it shouldn’t be on national tv, it was not billed as next Tory leader but next UK PM. The questions they asked are more important than who delivers them. What difference would it have made it Mr Patel from x asked the following or miss y from z.
Well I thought that shouty woman who claimed to have a husband with a property empire and a son working in the city came across more like a member of the socialist workers party FWIW...
I really think the BBC needs to be held accountable here. It's happened far too often.
If the questions were limited to individuals holding conservative membership cards then it shouldn’t be on national tv, it was not billed as next Tory leader but next UK PM. The questions they asked are more important than who delivers them. What difference would it have made it Mr Patel from x asked the following or miss y from z.
I wouldn't agree to card holding Tories asking the questions either. The format was for 'ordinary' members of the public to ask questions. If they have a political agenda themselves it casts doubt on the validity of the question.
If the questions were limited to individuals holding conservative membership cards then it shouldn’t be on national tv, it was not billed as next Tory leader but next UK PM. The questions they asked are more important than who delivers them. What difference would it have made it Mr Patel from x asked the following or miss y from z.
Quite a bit, if the questioner is in fact an activist or even worse a staffer for a rival party trying to make a political point rather than ask a genuine question. At the very least they should declare their membership of another party (and the Beeb should have checked this).
I really think the BBC needs to be held accountable here. It's happened far too often.
If the questions were limited to individuals holding conservative membership cards then it shouldn’t be on national tv, it was not billed as next Tory leader but next UK PM. The questions they asked are more important than who delivers them. What difference would it have made it Mr Patel from x asked the following or miss y from z.
Really, though? Have you thought that through?
You'd be happy with ANYONE asking questions?
Provided the question was pre vetted and was representative of similar suggested ones then yes. You’d have to be prepared to mute them if they went off message.
Well I thought that shouty woman who claimed to have a husband with a property empire and a son working in the city came across more like a member of the socialist workers party FWIW...
She was priceless.
Not being an expert but I'm pretty sure she was at least deaf and perhaps had some other condition.
But as to the substance yes property developers is not a group of people who garner a tremendous amount of sympathy.
The welfare state has not been destroyed over the past nine years. We have an enormous welfare state, and the government spends the equivalent of 41% of national income.
Last night’s televised BBC debate saw five privileged men in suits bellowing over each other using a weird vocabulary of sycophancy and hubris.
I thought Javid was the son of a bus driver?
The drafting suggests he was desperate to write, privileged white men and had to come up with second best
If the questions were limited to individuals holding conservative membership cards then it shouldn’t be on national tv, it was not billed as next Tory leader but next UK PM. The questions they asked are more important than who delivers them. What difference would it have made it Mr Patel from x asked the following or miss y from z.
Quite a bit, if the questioner is in fact an activist or even worse a staffer for a rival party trying to make a political point rather than ask a genuine question. At the very least they should declare their membership of another party (and the Beeb should have checked this).
also even more so when the interviewer went back to the question asker, and they're able to say' none of them were good answers', which happened on a number of occasions.
Wonder where they got the young woman with the climate change question now. Is she an activist?
IE the one with the crazy notion we can go 'carbon neutral' in 6 years.
If the questions were limited to individuals holding conservative membership cards then it shouldn’t be on national tv, it was not billed as next Tory leader but next UK PM. The questions they asked are more important than who delivers them. What difference would it have made it Mr Patel from x asked the following or miss y from z.
Quite a bit, if the questioner is in fact an activist or even worse a staffer for a rival party trying to make a political point rather than ask a genuine question. At the very least they should declare their membership of another party (and the Beeb should have checked this).
also even more so when the interviewer went back to the question asker, and they're able to say' none of them were good answers', which happened on a number of occasions.
Wonder where they got the young woman with the climate change question now. Is she an activist?
IE the one with the crazy notion we can go 'carbon neutral' in 6 years.
And the idiot who said Hunt's answer was great, but Stewart hadn't answered the question (when he clearly had, just not with the answer the idiot wanted to hear)
The pb.com tories longstanding infatuation with the jug eared geek is just mystifying. He needs to jump straight to the end of his political career and morph into a Portillo style national treasure. Perhaps he could open that fair trade hiking boot co-operative of which he has so often spoken.
We don’t need to be superstars. We just need to be better than our opponents.
The Scons, SLDs and SLabbers are just making life too easy for us. Their problem is that over the decades recruitment has dried up. Must be all that negativity putting young people off.
I don't think it's that - Given Social Media, 24 hour news and complainers have 24/7 access to you via social media who on earth wants to be politician...
There are easier (and more profitable) ways to change the world nowadays.
But if social media explains the drying up of talented recruits to the SCons, SLab and SLD over the past two decades, why hasn’t that also hit the SNP?
SNP membership level has rocketed during the Social Media Age.
The pb.com tories longstanding infatuation with the jug eared geek is just mystifying. He needs to jump straight to the end of his political career and morph into a Portillo style national treasure. Perhaps he could open that fair trade hiking boot co-operative of which he has so often spoken.
Um did you notice the other four blokes taking part? One of them will be your prime minister shortly. Who would you rather have?
The pb.com tories longstanding infatuation with the jug eared geek is just mystifying. He needs to jump straight to the end of his political career and morph into a Portillo style national treasure. Perhaps he could open that fair trade hiking boot co-operative of which he has so often spoken.
Said from a tw@t whose life is so empty that he has to endanger his life - and more impotently, that of others - by speeding.
Reads really weird. Makes it read like its not really a school but is getting called one.
Those aren't apostrophes. You're as clueless about punctuation as he is.
OK Mr Pedant, single quotation marks. Same button on keyboard.
It wasn't a political point. To me it reads really weird, is it correct grammar to use quotation marks there?
Same button on keyboard? What sort of keyboard are you using? An American one? I agree with your point though. I find great amusement in unnecessary quotation marks.
Reads really weird. Makes it read like its not really a school but is getting called one.
Those aren't apostrophes. You're as clueless about punctuation as he is.
OK Mr Pedant, single quotation marks. Same button on keyboard.
It wasn't a political point. To me it reads really weird, is it correct grammar to use quotation marks there?
Same button on keyboard? What sort of keyboard are you using? An American one? I agree with your point though. I find great amusement in unnecessary quotation marks.
No an English one. The ' button is located with @ as its shift-option two keys to the right of L.
There is also an ` option to the left of 1 but that isn't the button used.
If the questions were limited to individuals holding conservative membership cards then it shouldn’t be on national tv, it was not billed as next Tory leader but next UK PM. The questions they asked are more important than who delivers them. What difference would it have made it Mr Patel from x asked the following or miss y from z.
Quite a bit, if the questioner is in fact an activist or even worse a staffer for a rival party trying to make a political point rather than ask a genuine question. At the very least they should declare their membership of another party (and the Beeb should have checked this).
also even more so when the interviewer went back to the question asker, and they're able to say' none of them were good answers', which happened on a number of occasions.
Wonder where they got the young woman with the climate change question now. Is she an activist?
IE the one with the crazy notion we can go 'carbon neutral' in 6 years.
And the idiot who said Hunt's answer was great, but Stewart hadn't answered the question (when he clearly had, just not with the answer the idiot wanted to hear)
Perhaps the US system of just having a moderator decide or choose what the questions are is better.
Reads really weird. Makes it read like its not really a school but is getting called one.
Those aren't apostrophes. You're as clueless about punctuation as he is.
OK Mr Pedant, single quotation marks. Same button on keyboard.
It wasn't a political point. To me it reads really weird, is it correct grammar to use quotation marks there?
Same button on keyboard? What sort of keyboard are you using? An American one? I agree with your point though. I find great amusement in unnecessary quotation marks.
No an English one. The ' button is located with @ as its shift-option two keys to the right of L.
There is also an ` option to the left of 1 but that isn't the button used.
Oh, I see. I thought you were using some weirdy keyboard with ', and " on the same button, one being the shift of the other.
Reads really weird. Makes it read like its not really a school but is getting called one.
Those aren't apostrophes. You're as clueless about punctuation as he is.
OK Mr Pedant, single quotation marks. Same button on keyboard.
It wasn't a political point. To me it reads really weird, is it correct grammar to use quotation marks there?
Same button on keyboard? What sort of keyboard are you using? An American one? I agree with your point though. I find great amusement in unnecessary quotation marks.
No an English one. The ' button is located with @ as its shift-option two keys to the right of L.
There is also an ` option to the left of 1 but that isn't the button used.
Reads really weird. Makes it read like its not really a school but is getting called one.
Those aren't apostrophes. You're as clueless about punctuation as he is.
OK Mr Pedant, single quotation marks. Same button on keyboard.
It wasn't a political point. To me it reads really weird, is it correct grammar to use quotation marks there?
Same button on keyboard? What sort of keyboard are you using? An American one? I agree with your point though. I find great amusement in unnecessary quotation marks.
No an English one. The ' button is located with @ as its shift-option two keys to the right of L.
There is also an ` option to the left of 1 but that isn't the button used.
Oh, I see. I thought you were using some weirdy keyboard with ', and " on the same button, one being the shift of the other.
No the " symbol is above 2 but that wasn't the symbol discussed. That's why I called it an apostrope is subconsciously that's what I use that key for, it I want a quotation I normally use " and not '.
Just going back to the point about an explicit condition of the last extension being that there would be no renegotiation of the Withdrawal Agreement.
Of course you can say it's all politics and that can change. But with regard to the commitments now being made about dates - surely as the European Council has formally stated this, it can be reversed only by a further decision of the Council?
Regarding Stewart saying he's talking to Gove, here's what I think is happening -
Stewart has sussed that Raab's group are thinking of voting Javid to knock Stewart out. He also knows that Raab's group ultimately want Johnson and therefore, like Johnson, want Johnson vs Hunt in the Final. So he plants the fear that if he is knocked out he will switch to Gove and thus help Gove make the Final rather than Hunt. Raab's group swallow this and therefore do NOT vote Javid and therefore Javid gets knocked out. Stewart makes the last 4 and now picks up Javid (notice how they hugged after the debate?). It's enough to overtake Gove, who is knocked out, and Stewart makes the last 3. Stewart now appeals to all of those MPs who want Johnson to face an uncomfortable Final. There are lots of them, Stewart overtakes Hunt. He makes the Final. It's him against Johnson.
Reads really weird. Makes it read like its not really a school but is getting called one.
Those aren't apostrophes. You're as clueless about punctuation as he is.
OK Mr Pedant, single quotation marks. Same button on keyboard.
It wasn't a political point. To me it reads really weird, is it correct grammar to use quotation marks there?
Same button on keyboard? What sort of keyboard are you using? An American one? I agree with your point though. I find great amusement in unnecessary quotation marks.
No an English one. The ' button is located with @ as its shift-option two keys to the right of L.
There is also an ` option to the left of 1 but that isn't the button used.
Oh, I see. I thought you were using some weirdy keyboard with ', and " on the same button, one being the shift of the other.
No the " symbol is above 2 but that wasn't the symbol discussed. That's why I called it an apostrope is subconsciously that's what I use that key for, it I want a quotation I normally use " and not '.
That's pretty old hat. It's convention nowadays to use a single quotation mark unless you are quoting within a quote.
However, if you're going to take someone to task over punctuation and grammar it's good to make sure your own house is in order. Just saying
The pb.com tories longstanding infatuation with the jug eared geek is just mystifying. He needs to jump straight to the end of his political career and morph into a Portillo style national treasure. Perhaps he could open that fair trade hiking boot co-operative of which he has so often spoken.
Um did you notice the other four blokes taking part? One of them will be your prime minister shortly. Who would you rather have?
Hunt disqualifies himself by his resemblance to Roland Rat and the prominent display of the Butcher's Apron on the lapel. Boris is unsuitable by dint of driving a Previa. So, in a forced choice, it would have to be THE SAJ. I'm pretty sure I've seen him driving a G11 7 Series.
That’s quite a surprise . Perhaps some in here expected too much from Stewart.I think last nights forum didn’t suit him but clearly the public were a lot more positive about him than many in these types of forums .
This charade has been going on with Question Time for far too long, you can tell from the cheers and boos that they are no longer an audience of the public but political activists with a set script.
The BBC should be very careful of fusing politics and entertainment together, one of the key reasons behind a public tv station is surely for giving an educational and informative view of politics rather than creating theatre and drama to drive up ad revenue.
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But that's a function of conservatism: if you aren't currently useful, you're on your own. Maybe some of them will see the light over this?
Do you think if there had been a Labour/Lib Dem Coalition there would have been comparable complaints of betrayal?
EDIT: Or members of the relevant party given they're the ones with the votes in the contest.
However, I was reassured by this quote from a typical member of that select group of individuals -
Mr Edwards believes Mr Johnson has the best chance of securing a deal on 31 October, if he has the right cabinet.
"If he can get Jacob Rees-Mogg and Esther McVey in the cabinet they would be the real structure... and he could just be the celebrity," he added.
If you want left, then vote for a left wing party. If you want right, then vote for a right wing party.
Boris 5/10 Still gives an impression of winging it. That worries me.
Hunt 7/10 Better than expected. Should be in final 2
Gove 6/10 OK but too earnest to be a PM of the people
Javid 6/10 Mixed. A bit desperate at times but one for the next race
Stewart 4/10 Weirdo totally unsuited for PM role
There'd be complaints of insanity.
Back then... keeping Brown in power, ditto.
That you seem able only to consider the centre ground as the enabler of one or other of the political extremes is your problem.
Of all the mendacious crap that was spouted last night for me among the most egregious was Gove's "just a day or two, say 48 hours" to extend the leaving date if a deal is close.
I mean I know the answer to the question what kind of idiot does he (they all) take us for but really. He actually said he believes it might take only an extra 24 hours to do a so far undoable deal.
Meanwhile of them all Hunt emerged for me as the most likely to succeed. His "no deal" seriously worried me but I think Rory ruled himself out (shame for my large green on him), as did Boris, while Gove's solipsistic crap will surely not wash and The Saj was a bit meh.
As ever it's the voters that count. If you're a reasonably strong Unionist (absent all the sectarian, Brexit, Trump, EUSSR bollox) and thought the Tories were the protector of your unionism, how will you be feeling?
Wonder if he has Cummings back on board.
This could be a fun ride.
I thought Javid was the son of a bus driver?
what the f**king f***?
https://www.itv.com/news/2019-06-19/which-tory-will-face-boris-johnson-in-the-members-ballot-asks-robert-peston/
The closest thing to a chimera of the two is probably the Chinese Longma.
Edit: In reference to Abdullah comments anyway.
Reads really weird. Makes it read like its not really a school but is getting called one.
https://twitter.com/SAThevoz/status/1141252183826022400
The way he can redeem himself in my eyes is if when he gets knocked out (or if he makes the Final) he lets his contempt for Johnson rip and tries to do him some real damage. That he is talking to Rory Stewart about a pact (if the rumour is true) offers some hope of this.
Johnson wins this anyway - but let's have him crawling into Downing St with a few bullets in various parts of his anatomy*. That is the best outcome from here.
* Metaphorically. I do not condone violence. Never have. Never will.
It wasn't a political point. To me it reads really weird, is it correct grammar to use quotation marks there?
You'd be happy with ANYONE asking questions?
But as to the substance yes property developers is not a group of people who garner a tremendous amount of sympathy.
Wonder where they got the young woman with the climate change question now. Is she an activist?
IE the one with the crazy notion we can go 'carbon neutral' in 6 years.
SNP membership level has rocketed during the Social Media Age.
And who never learns his lesson.
There is also an ` option to the left of 1 but that isn't the button used.
No harm in having activists from any party involved but if its known they to be then they should be declared as such.
Of course you can say it's all politics and that can change. But with regard to the commitments now being made about dates - surely as the European Council has formally stated this, it can be reversed only by a further decision of the Council?
Stewart has sussed that Raab's group are thinking of voting Javid to knock Stewart out. He also knows that Raab's group ultimately want Johnson and therefore, like Johnson, want Johnson vs Hunt in the Final. So he plants the fear that if he is knocked out he will switch to Gove and thus help Gove make the Final rather than Hunt. Raab's group swallow this and therefore do NOT vote Javid and therefore Javid gets knocked out. Stewart makes the last 4 and now picks up Javid (notice how they hugged after the debate?). It's enough to overtake Gove, who is knocked out, and Stewart makes the last 3. Stewart now appeals to all of those MPs who want Johnson to face an uncomfortable Final. There are lots of them, Stewart overtakes Hunt. He makes the Final. It's him against Johnson.
He loses big style.
Was it worth it? - He clearly thinks so.
However, if you're going to take someone to task over punctuation and grammar it's good to make sure your own house is in order. Just saying
if they want a bonehead Brexiteer, not so much
The BBC should be very careful of fusing politics and entertainment together, one of the key reasons behind a public tv station is surely for giving an educational and informative view of politics rather than creating theatre and drama to drive up ad revenue.