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Absolutely nothing that I can think of.Chris said:
Absolutely. What does the BBC do now that isn't done at least as well by commercial organisations?Philip_Thompson said:
iPlayer loophole was no such thing.MikeL said:The BBC has played a pretty cute game.
The 2015 Licence Fee settlement had four components:
- LF to start rising again in line with CPI from 2017
- BBC funding of broadband (£150m per year) to cease
- iPlayer loophole closed (ie TVL required to watch iPlayer)
- BBC to take over cost of TVL for over 75s
Factoring in household growth, putting it all together the BBC said it represented "flat cash" or a 10% real terms cut over 5 years (assuming 2% inflation for 5 years). The BBC said it was a good deal. Indeed compared to most public services a 10% real terms cut was a pretty generous result.
Whilst technically the BBC took over responsibility for the policy, there was no expectation the BBC would start charging over 75s - the whole deal was a package.
Now the BBC is going to start charging approx 65% of over 75 households - it will have done better than just about any public service other than the NHS - with almost no real terms cut in funding at all.
(to be continued)
If the BBC is to be commercial and we rename the TV Licence to be a BBC Subscription Fee then iplayer being charged it makes sense.
But the TV licence is a fee to watch TV even if you don't want live BBC. The TV licence should be abolished for anyone who wants to watch TV but not BBC.0 -
Big picture in the Dem race right now is Biden still miles out ahead but Warren slowly creeping upward toward Sanders.0
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Well it worked for Vince.Scott_P said:0 -
I don't think being "a Remain candidate" is something that moved many votes in 2012.Peter_the_Punter said:
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/02/21/boris-johnson-eu-brexit-supports_n_9286400.htmlWulfrun_Phil said:
Really? He has more Eurosceptic political baggage than Corbyn:Peter_the_Punter said:
More significantly, he was a strongly pro-Remain candidate, or so he told us.OldKingCole said:
He was up against Ken Livingstone thought. Who was at or even past his sell-by by then.Wulfrun_Phil said:It is worth remembering that Johnson won the London mayorality in 2012 by 4% on the first round at the same time as the Conservatives ended up 9% behind Labour in the Assembly elections and as the Conservatives were being absolutely trashed in local elections up and down the rest of England, more so that at any other point of Cameron's premiership.
Some achievement that.
" In early 1989, Johnson was appointed to the newspaper's Brussels bureau to report on the European Commission,[83] remaining in the post until 1994.[84] A strong critic of Commission President Jacques Delors, he established himself as one of the city's few Eurosceptic journalists.... Johnson biographer Andrew Gimson believed that these articles made Johnson "one of [Euroscepticism's] most famous exponents".[74] According to later biographer Sonia Purnell—who was Johnson's Brussels deputy[84]—he helped make Euroscepticism "an attractive and emotionally resonant cause for the Right", whereas previously it was associated with the British Left.[87] Johnson's articles established him as the favourite journalist of the Conservative Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher,[88] although Thatcher's successor, John Major, was annoyed by Johnson and spent much time attempting to refute his claims.[89] Johnson's articles exacerbated tensions between the Conservative Party's Eurosceptic and Europhile factions, tensions which were widely viewed as contributing to the party's defeat in the 1997 general election. As a result, Johnson earned the mistrust of many party members.[90] His writings were also a key influence on the emergence of the Eurosceptic UK Independence Party (UKIP) in the early 1990s."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Johnson#Brexit_campaign:_2015–2016
Having the Evening Standard backing him day in day out probably had a lot more to do with it0 -
From June 2020, the public (ie over 75s) are funding the other 2/3 (actually estimated at 65%) directly in cash to the BBC - as they will be paying a TVL.Stereotomy said:
I don't know the background of this so I don't really understand your comment. You're saying last year the government funded 2/3rds, the BBC 1/3rd, this year the government is funding 1/3rd and the BBC 2/3rds, and next year the BBC will be funding 1/3rd again, and I guess the government will be funding nothing if it's been phased out. Who's funding the other 2/3rds?MikeL said:There is another aspect to the BBC's finances which the whole media has missed.
The Government's funding of over 75 TVLs is actually being phased out over three years from April 2018.
In the first year (year ended March 2019) the Govt only funded 2/3 of the cost of over 75 TVLs.
In year 2 (year ended March 2020) - ie the year we are in NOW - the Govt is only funding 1/3 of the cost of over 75 TVLs. So, right now, this year, the BBC is funding 2/3 of the cost - and it is managing absolutely fine with no cuts to services.
So from June 2020, the BBC's income is actually going to rise significantly compared to this year - as it will only be funding 35% of over 75s TVLs whereas right now it is funding 66.6%.
Why is nobody challenging the BBC about this? OK, it takes a few minutes to understand the numbers but it seems to be all too complicated for everyone.
Finally there was an amusing "give away" yesterday - Ben Brown asked Tony Hall on BBC News Channel how the BBC would manage to fund the 35% of over 75 TVLs. Hall looked a bit sheepish and just said very quickly that the BBC could manage to fund it without any cuts in services. The interview then ended.
Well of course the BBC can manage - they are funding a far higher proportion of over 75 TVLs right now, this year!0 -
Dominic Raab hasn't received any new endorsements for about a week. Seems his support is deep but rather narrow.0
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I am not sure that a quote from Soames is as compelling as the link implies. Furthermore I think he was genuinely divided as were many other people, myself included. I know a lot of people who only decided ironically to back leave due to how dreadful the renegotiations by Cameron were. It showed the EU was incapable of reform.Peter_the_Punter said:
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/02/21/boris-johnson-eu-brexit-supports_n_9286400.htmlWulfrun_Phil said:
Really? He has more Eurosceptic political baggage than Corbyn:Peter_the_Punter said:
More significantly, he was a strongly pro-Remain candidate, or so he told us.OldKingCole said:
He was up against Ken Livingstone thought. Who was at or even past his sell-by by then.Wulfrun_Phil said:It is worth remembering that Johnson won the London mayorality in 2012 by 4% on the first round at the same time as the Conservatives ended up 9% behind Labour in the Assembly elections and as the Conservatives were being absolutely trashed in local elections up and down the rest of England, more so that at any other point of Cameron's premiership.
Some achievement that.
" In early 1989, Johnson was appointed to the newspaper's Brussels bureau to report on the European Commission,[83] remaining in the post until 1994.[84] A strong critic of Commission President Jacques Delors, he established himself as one of the city's few Eurosceptic journalists.... Johnson biographer Andrew Gimson believed that these articles made Johnson "one of [Euroscepticism's] most famous exponents".[74] According to later biographer Sonia Purnell—who was Johnson's Brussels deputy[84]—he helped make Euroscepticism "an attractive and emotionally resonant cause for the Right", whereas previously it was associated with the British Left.[87] Johnson's articles established him as the favourite journalist of the Conservative Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher,[88] although Thatcher's successor, John Major, was annoyed by Johnson and spent much time attempting to refute his claims.[89] Johnson's articles exacerbated tensions between the Conservative Party's Eurosceptic and Europhile factions, tensions which were widely viewed as contributing to the party's defeat in the 1997 general election. As a result, Johnson earned the mistrust of many party members.[90] His writings were also a key influence on the emergence of the Eurosceptic UK Independence Party (UKIP) in the early 1990s."
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IMO virtually anything on BBC Four.Philip_Thompson said:
Absolutely nothing that I can think of.Chris said:
Absolutely. What does the BBC do now that isn't done at least as well by commercial organisations?Philip_Thompson said:
iPlayer loophole was no such thing.MikeL said:The BBC has played a pretty cute game.
The 2015 Licence Fee settlement had four components:
- LF to start rising again in line with CPI from 2017
- BBC funding of broadband (£150m per year) to cease
- iPlayer loophole closed (ie TVL required to watch iPlayer)
- BBC to take over cost of TVL for over 75s
Factoring in household growth, putting it all together the BBC said it represented "flat cash" or a 10% real terms cut over 5 years (assuming 2% inflation for 5 years). The BBC said it was a good deal. Indeed compared to most public services a 10% real terms cut was a pretty generous result.
Whilst technically the BBC took over responsibility for the policy, there was no expectation the BBC would start charging over 75s - the whole deal was a package.
Now the BBC is going to start charging approx 65% of over 75 households - it will have done better than just about any public service other than the NHS - with almost no real terms cut in funding at all.
(to be continued)
If the BBC is to be commercial and we rename the TV Licence to be a BBC Subscription Fee then iplayer being charged it makes sense.
But the TV licence is a fee to watch TV even if you don't want live BBC. The TV licence should be abolished for anyone who wants to watch TV but not BBC.0 -
“Bollocks to Bollocks to Bercow”? Catchy.Morris_Dancer said:As the more cunning of you may've noticed, I am not a Bercow fan.
However, Leadsom's idiotic sign is ridiculous.0 -
That wasn't an ad hominem attack on a great officer of state.logical_song said:
Well it worked for Vince.Scott_P said:
Very poor. Bercow is absolutely right: to prorogue Parliament to ram through a no deal would put a bomb under the constitution and place the Queen in an impossible position. It is even more irresponsible that the rest of the guff from the nutcase no dealers. The Conservative party has indeed been made mad and deserves destruction.0 -
Being up against the tired old newt fancier probably helped as well. Had Labour picked Khan in 2012 Boris might well have lost.Stereotomy said:
I don't think being "a Remain candidate" is something that moved many votes in 2012.Peter_the_Punter said:
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/02/21/boris-johnson-eu-brexit-supports_n_9286400.htmlWulfrun_Phil said:
Really? He has more Eurosceptic political baggage than Corbyn:Peter_the_Punter said:
More significantly, he was a strongly pro-Remain candidate, or so he told us.OldKingCole said:
He was up against Ken Livingstone thought. Who was at or even past his sell-by by then.Wulfrun_Phil said:It is worth remembering that Johnson won the London mayorality in 2012 by 4% on the first round at the same time as the Conservatives ended up 9% behind Labour in the Assembly elections and as the Conservatives were being absolutely trashed in local elections up and down the rest of England, more so that at any other point of Cameron's premiership.
Some achievement that.
" In early 1989, Johnson was appointed to the newspaper's Brussels bureau to report on the European Commission,[83] remaining in the post until 1994.[84] A strong critic of Commission President Jacques Delors, he established himself as one of the city's few Eurosceptic journalists.... Johnson biographer Andrew Gimson believed that these articles made Johnson "one of [Euroscepticism's] most famous exponents".[74] According to later biographer Sonia Purnell—who was Johnson's Brussels deputy[84]—he helped make Euroscepticism "an attractive and emotionally resonant cause for the Right", whereas previously it was associated with the British Left.[87] Johnson's articles established him as the favourite journalist of the Conservative Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher,[88] although Thatcher's successor, John Major, was annoyed by Johnson and spent much time attempting to refute his claims.[89] Johnson's articles exacerbated tensions between the Conservative Party's Eurosceptic and Europhile factions, tensions which were widely viewed as contributing to the party's defeat in the 1997 general election. As a result, Johnson earned the mistrust of many party members.[90] His writings were also a key influence on the emergence of the Eurosceptic UK Independence Party (UKIP) in the early 1990s."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Johnson#Brexit_campaign:_2015–2016
Having the Evening Standard backing him day in day out probably had a lot more to do with it0 -
There’s no mandate for no deal . If you want no deal put it to the public .Sandpit said:I see opposition remoaners conniving with the speaker to try and overturn the referendum result again.
Time to back an autumn election. 3.45 currently available on a 2019 GE, a monthly market has 15, 6, 11 and 32 for September, October, November and December respectively. (Betfair Ex).0 -
Bercow has put multiple of his own bombs under the constitution. What's good for the goose ...Cicero said:
That wasn't an ad hominem attack on a great officer of state.logical_song said:
Well it worked for Vince.Scott_P said:
Very poor. Bercow is absolutely right: to prorogue Parliament to ram through a no deal would put a bomb under the constitution and place the Queen in an impossible position. It is even more irresponsible that the rest of the guff from the nutcase no dealers. The Conservative party has indeed been made mad and deserves destruction.1 -
I think the issue with standup is mostly money. Most comics spend years on the circuit, honing their material in a different town every night for a couple of hundred quid, and with a lifetime of experience to draw on. When the suddenly become successful, and an income of a couple of grand a month becomes a couple of hundred grand, they understandably lose their edge a little and a lot of them struggle to adjust - hence we see older comics as producers and writers, with the occasional TV game show to keep their eye in, rather than on the standup circuit.SandyRentool said:
He's someone who overnight went from kicking the establishment where it hurt to being part of the establishment.matt said:
Ben Elton is, I believe, about to tour a show for the first time in a very long time. It will be interesting to see if if the audiences are nostalgia based or whether there’ll be anyone under, say, 40.Byronic said:
I think people can remain funny (in private) well into their 60s. It's much harder to remain funny in your 60s on stage, or on TV, because when non-related people look at you, they immediately think, maybe subconsciously, "Here's an old man" (or woman) - and that is quintessentially unfunny.kinabalu said:
This falls fair and square into the 'sad but true' category. Affects everyone not just comedians. My dad used to make me laugh (for all the right reasons) but now, not so much. All gets a bit stale.Byronic said:All comedians face this problem: it is much harder to be funny as you age. That's why so many successful comedians move on to other trades - writing, serious acting, etc.
Essential caveat, there are plenty of exceptions.
But not my dad.
But yes, there are exceptions: Billy Connolly?
He can't bring it back.0 -
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I reckon his reticence to appear is based on having promised contradictory things to different MPs to get their support and he needs to avoid giving that away by answering questionsWulfrun_Phil said:
The UK media may have a collectively inflated ego, but when did it become the key means of influencing the opinion of just 312 other Conservative MPs? Isn't the best way of courting their support to speak to them at length in private on a one-to-one basis?Scott_P said:0 -
Very little. Some documentary and arts stuff, minority interests such as religious and welsh-language programming, ad-free kids’ channels, World Service.Chris said:
Absolutely. What does the BBC do now that isn't done at least as well by commercial organisations?Philip_Thompson said:
iPlayer loophole was no such thing.MikeL said:The BBC has played a pretty cute game.
The 2015 Licence Fee settlement had four components:
- LF to start rising again in line with CPI from 2017
- BBC funding of broadband (£150m per year) to cease
- iPlayer loophole closed (ie TVL required to watch iPlayer)
- BBC to take over cost of TVL for over 75s
Factoring in household growth, putting it all together the BBC said it represented "flat cash" or a 10% real terms cut over 5 years (assuming 2% inflation for 5 years). The BBC said it was a good deal. Indeed compared to most public services a 10% real terms cut was a pretty generous result.
Whilst technically the BBC took over responsibility for the policy, there was no expectation the BBC would start charging over 75s - the whole deal was a package.
Now the BBC is going to start charging approx 65% of over 75 households - it will have done better than just about any public service other than the NHS - with almost no real terms cut in funding at all.
(to be continued)
If the BBC is to be commercial and we rename the TV Licence to be a BBC Subscription Fee then iplayer being charged it makes sense.
But the TV licence is a fee to watch TV even if you don't want live BBC. The TV licence should be abolished for anyone who wants to watch TV but not BBC.
Almost all could be funded and commissioned by a combination of government departments and lottery money, for perhaps 5% of the current BBC overhead.0 -
Is it stating the appallingly obvious to point out the irony of the fact that the way in which Therwilloftherpeople is to be implemented now depends entirely on the whim of 314 tory mps and a few thousand instances of Col & Mrs Niggerbaiter of the Old Rectory, Bigot Episcoporum? Democraceeeee!0
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More importantly, stand-up is just bloody hard work, lots of late nights and booze and coffee and cigarettes. Your body simply can't do it any more.Sandpit said:
I think the issue with standup is mostly money. Most comics spend years on the circuit, honing their material in a different town every night for a couple of hundred quid, and with a lifetime of experience to draw on. When the suddenly become successful, and an income of a couple of grand a month becomes a couple of hundred grand, they understandably lose their edge a little and a lot of them struggle to adjust - hence we see older comics as producers and writers, with the occasional TV game show to keep their eye in, rather than on the standup circuit.SandyRentool said:
He's someone who overnight went from kicking the establishment where it hurt to being part of the establishment.matt said:
Ben Elton is, I believe, about to tour a show for the first time in a very long time. It will be interesting to see if if the audiences are nostalgia based or whether there’ll be anyone under, say, 40.Byronic said:
I think people can remain funny (in private) well into their 60s. It's much harder to remain funny in your 60s on stage, or on TV, because when non-related people look at you, they immediately think, maybe subconsciously, "Here's an old man" (or woman) - and that is quintessentially unfunny.kinabalu said:
This falls fair and square into the 'sad but true' category. Affects everyone not just comedians. My dad used to make me laugh (for all the right reasons) but now, not so much. All gets a bit stale.Byronic said:All comedians face this problem: it is much harder to be funny as you age. That's why so many successful comedians move on to other trades - writing, serious acting, etc.
Essential caveat, there are plenty of exceptions.
But not my dad.
But yes, there are exceptions: Billy Connolly?
He can't bring it back.
It is a bit like cheffing, which is why so many famous chefs, these days, try and become TV cooks, cookbook writers, restaurant owners, and so on, as soon as it is feasible.0 -
A phrase used four times on pb according to google. Once by Cyclefree, once by AveryLP, and twice by you don't want to know who.Byronic said:
All I (dimly) remember was a loutish man screaming FATCHA!The_Taxman said:
I don't agree. I remember laughing at his stand up routine when it was on the TV.Byronic said:
Ben Elton wasn't funny when he was 20. Let alone now.matt said:
Ben Elton is, I believe, about to tour a show for the first time in a very long time. It will be interesting to see if if the audiences are nostalgia based or whether there’ll be anyone under, say, 40.Byronic said:
I think people can remain funny (in private) well into their 60s. It's much harder to remain funny in your 60s on stage, or on TV, because when non-related people look at you, they immediately think, maybe subconsciously, "Here's an old man" (or woman) - and that is quintessentially unfunny.kinabalu said:
This falls fair and square into the 'sad but true' category. Affects everyone not just comedians. My dad used to make me laugh (for all the right reasons) but now, not so much. All gets a bit stale.Byronic said:All comedians face this problem: it is much harder to be funny as you age. That's why so many successful comedians move on to other trades - writing, serious acting, etc.
Essential caveat, there are plenty of exceptions.
But not my dad.
But yes, there are exceptions: Billy Connolly?
(PS I am talking about his stand-up - his writing was obviously much better, as in Blackadder)
Humour is subjective, so if his content does not appeal. You will not find him funny! I thought roy chubby brown was funny as well whereas alan partridge comic i did not
Droll it was not. But chacun a son gout.
EDIT: out of curiosity I googled the history of this French phrase, apparently I am using a Quebecois mutation. Who knew.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/chacun_à_son_goût
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There was a tube strike just before Boris's first win, and commuters vote, especially the Tory voters struggling to get to work from the suburbs.Stereotomy said:
I don't think being "a Remain candidate" is something that moved many votes in 2012.Peter_the_Punter said:
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/02/21/boris-johnson-eu-brexit-supports_n_9286400.htmlWulfrun_Phil said:
Really? He has more Eurosceptic political baggage than Corbyn:Peter_the_Punter said:
More significantly, he was a strongly pro-Remain candidate, or so he told us.OldKingCole said:
He was up against Ken Livingstone thought. Who was at or even past his sell-by by then.Wulfrun_Phil said:It is worth remembering that Johnson won the London mayorality in 2012 by 4% on the first round at the same time as the Conservatives ended up 9% behind Labour in the Assembly elections and as the Conservatives were being absolutely trashed in local elections up and down the rest of England, more so that at any other point of Cameron's premiership.
Some achievement that.
" In early 1989, Johnson was appointed to the newspaper's Brussels bureau to report on the European Commission,[83] remaining in the post until 1994.[84] A strong critic of Commission President Jacques Delors, he established himself as one of the city's few Eurosceptic journalists.... Johnson biographer Andrew Gimson believed that these articles made Johnson "one of [Euroscepticism's] most famous exponents".[74] According to later biographer Sonia Purnell—who was Johnson's Brussels deputy[84]—he helped make Euroscepticism "an attractive and emotionally resonant cause for the Right", whereas previously it was associated with the British Left.[87] Johnson's articles established him as the favourite journalist of the Conservative Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher,[88] although Thatcher's successor, John Major, was annoyed by Johnson and spent much time attempting to refute his claims.[89] Johnson's articles exacerbated tensions between the Conservative Party's Eurosceptic and Europhile factions, tensions which were widely viewed as contributing to the party's defeat in the 1997 general election. As a result, Johnson earned the mistrust of many party members.[90] His writings were also a key influence on the emergence of the Eurosceptic UK Independence Party (UKIP) in the early 1990s."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Johnson#Brexit_campaign:_2015–2016
Having the Evening Standard backing him day in day out probably had a lot more to do with it0 -
Isn't it Byronic? Don't you think? A little too Byronic - and yeah I really do think...TrèsDifficile said:
A phrase used four times on pb according to google. Once by Cyclefree, once by AveryLP, and twice by you don't want to know who.Byronic said:
All I (dimly) remember was a loutish man screaming FATCHA!The_Taxman said:
I don't agree. I remember laughing at his stand up routine when it was on the TV.Byronic said:
Ben Elton wasn't funny when he was 20. Let alone now.matt said:
Ben Elton is, I believe, about to tour a show for the first time in a very long time. It will be interesting to see if if the audiences are nostalgia based or whether there’ll be anyone under, say, 40.Byronic said:
I think people can remain funny (in private) well into their 60s. It's much harder to remain funny in your 60s on stage, or on TV, because when non-related people look at you, they immediately think, maybe subconsciously, "Here's an old man" (or woman) - and that is quintessentially unfunny.kinabalu said:
This falls fair and square into the 'sad but true' category. Affects everyone not just comedians. My dad used to make me laugh (for all the right reasons) but now, not so much. All gets a bit stale.Byronic said:All comedians face this problem: it is much harder to be funny as you age. That's why so many successful comedians move on to other trades - writing, serious acting, etc.
Essential caveat, there are plenty of exceptions.
But not my dad.
But yes, there are exceptions: Billy Connolly?
(PS I am talking about his stand-up - his writing was obviously much better, as in Blackadder)
Humour is subjective, so if his content does not appeal. You will not find him funny! I thought roy chubby brown was funny as well whereas alan partridge comic i did not
Droll it was not. But chacun a son gout.
EDIT: out of curiosity I googled the history of this French phrase, apparently I am using a Quebecois mutation. Who knew.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/chacun_à_son_goût0 -
People going back for another laughByronic said:The Javid video is interesting. Vastly superior in production values to his first little movie, Clever use of dogs, mums, old photos, the word "Bromsgrove".
Yet he is still stilted, and oddly inarticulate. He repeats words in a weird fashion. He does that strange politicians' hand movement: a lightly clenched fist, with thumb protruding, waggling up and down. They must have been told it looks effective (like the legs apart power-stance). Fail.
And yet.... the video has been watched 200,000 times. Maybe he has a chance.0 -
I'm flattered that you are actually googling my posts, in the most complicated way, though alarmed that you have nothing better to do?TrèsDifficile said:
A phrase used four times on pb according to google. Once by Cyclefree, once by AveryLP, and twice by you don't want to know who.Byronic said:
All I (dimly) remember was a loutish man screaming FATCHA!The_Taxman said:
I don't agree. I remember laughing at his stand up routine when it was on the TV.Byronic said:
Ben Elton wasn't funny when he was 20. Let alone now.matt said:
Ben Elton is, I believe, about to tour a show for the first time in a very long time. It will be interesting to see if if the audiences are nostalgia based or whether there’ll be anyone under, say, 40.Byronic said:
I think people can remain funny (in private) well into their 60s. It's much harder to remain funny in your 60s on stage, or on TV, because when non-related people look at you, they immediately think, maybe subconsciously, "Here's an old man" (or woman) - and that is quintessentially unfunny.kinabalu said:
This falls fair and square into the 'sad but true' category. Affects everyone not just comedians. My dad used to make me laugh (for all the right reasons) but now, not so much. All gets a bit stale.Byronic said:All comedians face this problem: it is much harder to be funny as you age. That's why so many successful comedians move on to other trades - writing, serious acting, etc.
Essential caveat, there are plenty of exceptions.
But not my dad.
But yes, there are exceptions: Billy Connolly?
(PS I am talking about his stand-up - his writing was obviously much better, as in Blackadder)
Humour is subjective, so if his content does not appeal. You will not find him funny! I thought roy chubby brown was funny as well whereas alan partridge comic i did not
Droll it was not. But chacun a son gout.
EDIT: out of curiosity I googled the history of this French phrase, apparently I am using a Quebecois mutation. Who knew.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/chacun_à_son_goût
I am just going to wisely sigh, in future, at these wrong-headed comments. Tsk.
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Exactly. Our turn now.Philip_Thompson said:
Bercow has put multiple of his own bombs under the constitution. What's good for the goose ...Cicero said:
That wasn't an ad hominem attack on a great officer of state.logical_song said:
Well it worked for Vince.Scott_P said:
Very poor. Bercow is absolutely right: to prorogue Parliament to ram through a no deal would put a bomb under the constitution and place the Queen in an impossible position. It is even more irresponsible that the rest of the guff from the nutcase no dealers. The Conservative party has indeed been made mad and deserves destruction.1 -
Suppose MPs pass law against No Deal Brexit.
What if EU doesn't then grant extension?
Presumably we leave with No Deal unless Parliament votes to formally revoke?0 -
Tiocfaidh ár lá.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
Exactly. Our turn now.Philip_Thompson said:
Bercow has put multiple of his own bombs under the constitution. What's good for the goose ...Cicero said:
That wasn't an ad hominem attack on a great officer of state.logical_song said:
Well it worked for Vince.Scott_P said:
Very poor. Bercow is absolutely right: to prorogue Parliament to ram through a no deal would put a bomb under the constitution and place the Queen in an impossible position. It is even more irresponsible that the rest of the guff from the nutcase no dealers. The Conservative party has indeed been made mad and deserves destruction.0 -
Apparently Bozo has the full support of such wonderful characters as Patel , Francois , Baker ,Cash etc .
He promised them he’d go straight to negotiating a free trade deal with the EU. Is this after he tells the EU he’s not paying UK committments after a no deal .
He’s making a lot of promises to everyone which he can’t keep .0 -
Bozza has hit 70.0
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I googled the phrase in quotes with politicalbetting after it. It didn't take me a minute. I always suspected you were Avery.Byronic said:
I'm flattered that you are actually googling my posts, in the most complicated way, though alarmed that you have nothing better to do?TrèsDifficile said:
A phrase used four times on pb according to google. Once by Cyclefree, once by AveryLP, and twice by you don't want to know who.Byronic said:
All I (dimly) remember was a loutish man screaming FATCHA!The_Taxman said:
I don't agree. I remember laughing at his stand up routine when it was on the TV.Byronic said:
Ben Elton wasn't funny when he was 20. Let alone now.matt said:
Ben Elton is, I believe, about to tour a show for the first time in a very long time. It will be interesting to see if if the audiences are nostalgia based or whether there’ll be anyone under, say, 40.Byronic said:
I think people can remain funny (in private) well into their 60s. It's much harder to remain funny in your 60s on stage, or on TV, because when non-related people look at you, they immediately think, maybe subconsciously, "Here's an old man" (or woman) - and that is quintessentially unfunny.kinabalu said:
This falls fair and square into the 'sad but true' category. Affects everyone not just comedians. My dad used to make me laugh (for all the right reasons) but now, not so much. All gets a bit stale.Byronic said:All comedians face this problem: it is much harder to be funny as you age. That's why so many successful comedians move on to other trades - writing, serious acting, etc.
Essential caveat, there are plenty of exceptions.
But not my dad.
But yes, there are exceptions: Billy Connolly?
(PS I am talking about his stand-up - his writing was obviously much better, as in Blackadder)
Humour is subjective, so if his content does not appeal. You will not find him funny! I thought roy chubby brown was funny as well whereas alan partridge comic i did not
Droll it was not. But chacun a son gout.
EDIT: out of curiosity I googled the history of this French phrase, apparently I am using a Quebecois mutation. Who knew.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/chacun_à_son_goût
I am just going to wisely sigh, in future, at these wrong-headed comments. Tsk.0 -
I like that comparison, yes the vast majority of chefs struggle to keep right at the top for more than a few years and seek to diversify their careers. How someone like Gordon Ramsay keeps a 3* restaurant with all his other commitments is astonishing, but he’s a proper workaholic with a lot of very good people working under him.Byronic said:
More importantly, stand-up is just bloody hard work, lots of late nights and booze and coffee and cigarettes. Your body simply can't do it any more.Sandpit said:
I think the issue with standup is mostly money. Most comics spend years on the circuit, honing their material in a different town every night for a couple of hundred quid, and with a lifetime of experience to draw on. When the suddenly become successful, and an income of a couple of grand a month becomes a couple of hundred grand, they understandably lose their edge a little and a lot of them struggle to adjust - hence we see older comics as producers and writers, with the occasional TV game show to keep their eye in, rather than on the standup circuit.SandyRentool said:
He's someone who overnight went from kicking the establishment where it hurt to being part of the establishment.matt said:
Ben Elton is, I believe, about to tour a show for the first time in a very long time. It will be interesting to see if if the audiences are nostalgia based or whether there’ll be anyone under, say, 40.Byronic said:
I think people can remain funny (in private) well into their 60s. It's much harder to remain funny in your 60s on stage, or on TV, because when non-related people look at you, they immediately think, maybe subconsciously, "Here's an old man" (or woman) - and that is quintessentially unfunny.kinabalu said:
This falls fair and square into the 'sad but true' category. Affects everyone not just comedians. My dad used to make me laugh (for all the right reasons) but now, not so much. All gets a bit stale.Byronic said:All comedians face this problem: it is much harder to be funny as you age. That's why so many successful comedians move on to other trades - writing, serious acting, etc.
Essential caveat, there are plenty of exceptions.
But not my dad.
But yes, there are exceptions: Billy Connolly?
He can't bring it back.
It is a bit like cheffing, which is why so many famous chefs, these days, try and become TV cooks, cookbook writers, restaurant owners, and so on, as soon as it is feasible.
Stand-up comedy is definitely a young person’s game, no-one wants to be spending 200 nights a year in grotty b&bs when they have a young family at home.0 -
Of course: parliament cannot bind the EU.MikeL said:Suppose MPs pass law against No Deal Brexit.
What if EU doesn't then grant extension?
Presumably we leave with No Deal unless Parliament votes to formally revoke?
Indeed, I suspect that Boris Johnson's strategy is to be sufficiently objectionable that the EU veto any extension he asks for, therefore ensuring they get blamed for No Deal.
The danger with this strategy is that the EU does not play ball and instead grants an extension to 2022.0 -
I know it's highly likely he has Cash's support now but do you have any sort of direct source for it ?nico67 said:Apparently Bozo has the full support of such wonderful characters as Patel , Francois , Baker ,Cash etc .
He promised them he’d go straight to negotiating a free trade deal with the EU. Is this after he tells the EU he’s not paying UK committments after a no deal .
He’s making a lot of promises to everyone which he can’t keep .0 -
Yes if Macron vetoes further extension in October unless the Commons votes to revoke Article 50 it will be No Deal, there will be no time for EUref2.MikeL said:Suppose MPs pass law against No Deal Brexit.
What if EU doesn't then grant extension?
Presumably we leave with No Deal unless Parliament votes to formally revoke?
Assuming the Commons has not passed the Withdrawal Agreement by then as is or amended1 -
https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1138465682188886018Pulpstar said:
I know it's highly likely he has Cash's support now but do you have any sort of direct source for it ?nico67 said:Apparently Bozo has the full support of such wonderful characters as Patel , Francois , Baker ,Cash etc .
He promised them he’d go straight to negotiating a free trade deal with the EU. Is this after he tells the EU he’s not paying UK committments after a no deal .
He’s making a lot of promises to everyone which he can’t keep .0 -
Unravelling that over simplification just for a moment, I think what you mean is that the way the referendum is to be put into action depends on our sovereign elected body, the House of Commons, many though not a majority of whom are Conservatives, who are there by virtue of winning elections in which everyone is free to stand for election and everyone is free to vote. The leader of the Conservatives is to be chosen from only two choices, given to them by MPs elected by voters as a whole, by every single person who takes the trouble to be sufficiently engaged with centre right democratic politics as to join the party. You forgot to add 'Shame on those who merely criticise the members and activists and carp from the sidelines'.Ishmael_Z said:Is it stating the appallingly obvious to point out the irony of the fact that the way in which Therwilloftherpeople is to be implemented now depends entirely on the whim of 314 tory mps and a few thousand instances of Col & Mrs Niggerbaiter of the Old Rectory, Bigot Episcoporum? Democraceeeee!
The polemical tone adds little.1 -
You would, I hope, have been horrified if Cameron had perogued parliament to avoid invoking Article 50.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
Exactly. Our turn now.Philip_Thompson said:
Bercow has put multiple of his own bombs under the constitution. What's good for the goose ...Cicero said:
That wasn't an ad hominem attack on a great officer of state.logical_song said:
Well it worked for Vince.Scott_P said:
Very poor. Bercow is absolutely right: to prorogue Parliament to ram through a no deal would put a bomb under the constitution and place the Queen in an impossible position. It is even more irresponsible that the rest of the guff from the nutcase no dealers. The Conservative party has indeed been made mad and deserves destruction.
You would have been disgusted at his behaviour. It would have been an affront to our parliamentary democracy.
Imagine for a second that No Deal then turns out to be unpleasant. How do you think history will see you?0 -
Be patient, the Boris campaign launch is tomorrowScott_P said:0 -
Viceroy_of_Orange posted previously that his objective was to destroy the Tory party.rcs1000 said:
You would, I hope, have been horrified if Cameron had perogued parliament to avoid invoking Article 50.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
Exactly. Our turn now.Philip_Thompson said:
Bercow has put multiple of his own bombs under the constitution. What's good for the goose ...Cicero said:
That wasn't an ad hominem attack on a great officer of state.logical_song said:
Well it worked for Vince.Scott_P said:
Very poor. Bercow is absolutely right: to prorogue Parliament to ram through a no deal would put a bomb under the constitution and place the Queen in an impossible position. It is even more irresponsible that the rest of the guff from the nutcase no dealers. The Conservative party has indeed been made mad and deserves destruction.
You would have been disgusted at his behaviour. It would have been an affront to our parliamentary democracy.
Imagine for a second that No Deal then turns out to be unpleasant. How do you think history will see you?0 -
Oh, and if SeanT is lurking.. Google SeanT politicalbetting and you'll see every post of yours that anyone ever replied to is there in the reply. So you've not entirely successfully expurgated yourself from the site.TrèsDifficile said:
I googled the phrase in quotes with politicalbetting after it. It didn't take me a minute. I always suspected you were Avery.Byronic said:
I'm flattered that you are actually googling my posts, in the most complicated way, though alarmed that you have nothing better to do?TrèsDifficile said:
A phrase used four times on pb according to google. Once by Cyclefree, once by AveryLP, and twice by you don't want to know who.Byronic said:
All I (dimly) remember was a loutish man screaming FATCHA!The_Taxman said:
I don't agree. I remember laughing at his stand up routine when it was on the TV.Byronic said:
Ben Elton wasn't funny when he was 20. Let alone now.matt said:
Ben Elton is, I believe, about to tour a show for the first time in a very long time. It will be interesting to see if if the audiences are nostalgia based or whether there’ll be anyone under, say, 40.Byronic said:
I think people can remain funny (in private) well into their 60s. It's much harder to remain funny in your 60s on stage, or on TV, because when non-related people look at you, they immediately think, maybe subconsciously, "Here's an old man" (or woman) - and that is quintessentially unfunny.kinabalu said:
This falls fair and square into the 'sad but true' category. Affects everyone not just comedians. My dad used to make me laugh (for all the right reasons) but now, not so much. All gets a bit stale.Byronic said:All comedians face this problem: it is much harder to be funny as you age. That's why so many successful comedians move on to other trades - writing, serious acting, etc.
Essential caveat, there are plenty of exceptions.
But not my dad.
But yes, there are exceptions: Billy Connolly?
(PS I am talking about his stand-up - his writing was obviously much better, as in Blackadder)
Humour is subjective, so if his content does not appeal. You will not find him funny! I thought roy chubby brown was funny as well whereas alan partridge comic i did not
Droll it was not. But chacun a son gout.
EDIT: out of curiosity I googled the history of this French phrase, apparently I am using a Quebecois mutation. Who knew.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/chacun_à_son_goût
I am just going to wisely sigh, in future, at these wrong-headed comments. Tsk.0 -
He would promise anything and as we have seen those listed above are just as daft as to believe him. Sums up ERGAlastairMeeks said:
https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1138465682188886018Pulpstar said:
I know it's highly likely he has Cash's support now but do you have any sort of direct source for it ?nico67 said:Apparently Bozo has the full support of such wonderful characters as Patel , Francois , Baker ,Cash etc .
He promised them he’d go straight to negotiating a free trade deal with the EU. Is this after he tells the EU he’s not paying UK committments after a no deal .
He’s making a lot of promises to everyone which he can’t keep .0 -
Boris looks to be miles out in front in the Raab-Mcvey-Leadsom-Johnson leaver lane.AlastairMeeks said:
https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1138465682188886018Pulpstar said:
I know it's highly likely he has Cash's support now but do you have any sort of direct source for it ?nico67 said:Apparently Bozo has the full support of such wonderful characters as Patel , Francois , Baker ,Cash etc .
He promised them he’d go straight to negotiating a free trade deal with the EU. Is this after he tells the EU he’s not paying UK committments after a no deal .
He’s making a lot of promises to everyone which he can’t keep .
Gove vs Hunt for the remaining place looks close still. I think Javid will endorse Hunt though and that could prove decisive.0 -
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Parliament can't pass a law against a 'no deal', because it is outside its jurisdiction - it can't tell the EU what to do and we leave the EU under Art 50 under EU law. But it can pass law compelling government/PM to revoke Art 50 because that does come within its jurisdiction. If (as was thought once) revocation was impossible parliament would have had no recourse that I can think of.MikeL said:Suppose MPs pass law against No Deal Brexit.
What if EU doesn't then grant extension?
Presumably we leave with No Deal unless Parliament votes to formally revoke?0 -
https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/1138473099962331137Byronic said:What the hell was the lion/bear thing anyway? Did he ever explain?
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Javid likely endorses Raab or Boris, Javid has already said we must leave Deal or No Deal in October unlike HuntPulpstar said:
Boris looks to be miles out in front in the Raab-Mcvey-Leadsom-Johnson leaver lane.AlastairMeeks said:
https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1138465682188886018Pulpstar said:
I know it's highly likely he has Cash's support now but do you have any sort of direct source for it ?nico67 said:Apparently Bozo has the full support of such wonderful characters as Patel , Francois , Baker ,Cash etc .
He promised them he’d go straight to negotiating a free trade deal with the EU. Is this after he tells the EU he’s not paying UK committments after a no deal .
He’s making a lot of promises to everyone which he can’t keep .
Gove vs Hunt for the remaining place looks close still. I think Javid will endorse Hunt though and that could prove decisive.0 -
Mark Harper did an ask me anything on tw@tter where someone asked him who would win between a lion and a bear. So some hack repeated it as the final question and it was the only news that came out of his launch.Byronic said:0 -
It's still unlikely that the EU will throw Ireland under the bus in such a way. If they were willing to do so then they already would have done so over the backstop.Byronic said:
Quite. I am amazed we aren't discussing this MORE.MikeL said:Suppose MPs pass law against No Deal Brexit.
What if EU doesn't then grant extension?
Presumably we leave with No Deal unless Parliament votes to formally revoke?
It is the most likely outcome, now.0 -
Priceless. A delightful if tiny footnote in history.Pulpstar said:
Mark Harper did an ask me anything on tw@tter where someone asked him who would win between a lion and a bear. So some hack repeated it as the final question and it was the only news that came out of his launch.Byronic said:0 -
Sean T has 'a right to be forgotten' under GDPR moderators!TrèsDifficile said:
Oh, and if SeanT is lurking.. Google SeanT politicalbetting and you'll see every post of yours that anyone ever replied to is there in the reply. So you've not entirely successfully expurgated yourself from the site.TrèsDifficile said:
I googled the phrase in quotes with politicalbetting after it. It didn't take me a minute. I always suspected you were Avery.Byronic said:
I'm flattered that you are actually googling my posts, in the most complicated way, though alarmed that you have nothing better to do?TrèsDifficile said:
A phrase used four times on pb according to google. Once by Cyclefree, once by AveryLP, and twice by you don't want to know who.Byronic said:
All I (dimly) remember was a loutish man screaming FATCHA!The_Taxman said:
I don't agree. I remember laughing at his stand up routine when it was on the TV.Byronic said:
Ben Elton wasn't funny when he was 20. Let alone now.matt said:
Ben Elton is, I believe, about to tour a show for the first time in a very long time. It will be interesting to see if if the audiences are nostalgia based or whether there’ll be anyone under, say, 40.Byronic said:
I think people can remain funny (in private) well into their 60s. It's much harder to remain funny in your 60s on stage, onnolly?kinabalu said:
This falls fair and square into the 'sad but true' category. Affects everyone not just comedians. My dad used to make me laugh (for all the right reasons) but now, not so much. All gets a bit stale.Byronic said:All comedians face this problem: it is much harder to be funny as you age. That's why so many successful comedians move on to other trades - writing, serious acting, etc.
Essential caveat, there are plenty of exceptions.
But not my dad.
(PS I am talking about his stand-up - his writing was obviously much better, as in Blackadder)
Humour is subjective, so if his content does not appeal. You will not find him funny! I thought roy chubby brown was funny as well whereas alan partridge comic i did not
Droll it was not. But chacun a son gout.
EDIT: out of curiosity I googled the history of this French phrase, apparently I am using a Quebecois mutation. Who knew.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/chacun_à_son_goût
I am just going to wisely sigh, in future, at these wrong-headed comments. Tsk.0 -
IIRC, Elton used to refer to her as "Mrs Thatch".Byronic said:
All I (dimly) remember was a loutish man screaming FATCHA!The_Taxman said:
I don't agree. I remember laughing at his stand up routine when it was on the TV.Byronic said:
Ben Elton wasn't funny when he was 20. Let alone now.matt said:
Ben Elton is, I believe, about to tour a show for the first time in a very long time. It will be interesting to see if if the audiences are nostalgia based or whether there’ll be anyone under, say, 40.Byronic said:
I think people can remain funny (in private) well into their 60s. It's much harder to remain funny in your 60s on stage, or on TV, because when non-related people look at you, they immediately think, maybe subconsciously, "Here's an old man" (or woman) - and that is quintessentially unfunny.kinabalu said:
This falls fair and square into the 'sad but true' category. Affects everyone not just comedians. My dad used to make me laugh (for all the right reasons) but now, not so much. All gets a bit stale.Byronic said:All comedians face this problem: it is much harder to be funny as you age. That's why so many successful comedians move on to other trades - writing, serious acting, etc.
Essential caveat, there are plenty of exceptions.
But not my dad.
But yes, there are exceptions: Billy Connolly?
(PS I am talking about his stand-up - his writing was obviously much better, as in Blackadder)
Humour is subjective, so if his content does not appeal. You will not find him funny! I thought roy chubby brown was funny as well whereas alan partridge comic i did not
Droll it was not. But chacun a son gout.
EDIT: out of curiosity I googled the history of this French phrase, apparently I am using a Quebecois mutation. Who knew.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/chacun_à_son_goût0 -
Steve Baker calls for the abolition of the monarchy and the installation of Mr and Mrs Peter Bone as "Dear Leader and Leaderene"HYUFD said:0 -
This is intriguing. The source is the Sun, so caveat emptor,OblitusSumMe said:
It's still unlikely that the EU will throw Ireland under the bus in such a way. If they were willing to do so then they already would have done so over the backstop.Byronic said:
Quite. I am amazed we aren't discussing this MORE.MikeL said:Suppose MPs pass law against No Deal Brexit.
What if EU doesn't then grant extension?
Presumably we leave with No Deal unless Parliament votes to formally revoke?
It is the most likely outcome, now.
https://twitter.com/EuroGuido/status/11384404716241920010 -
Elton used to quip 'I will tell you what they think about Mrs Thatcher down my way...' to which one left-wing comedian later commented after he went New Labour 'She probably lives down your way!'SandyRentool said:
IIRC, Elton used to refer to her as "Mrs Thatch".Byronic said:
All I (dimly) remember was a loutish man screaming FATCHA!The_Taxman said:
I don't agree. I remember laughing at his stand up routine when it was on the TV.Byronic said:
Ben Elton wasn't funny when he was 20. Let alone now.matt said:
Ben Elton is, I believe, about to tour a show for the first time in a very long time. It will be interesting to see if if the audiences are nostalgia based or whether there’ll be anyone under, say, 40.Byronic said:
I think people can remain funny (in private) well into their 60s. It's much harder to remain funny in your 60s on stage, or on TV, because when non-related people look at you, they immediately think, maybe subconsciously, "Here's an old man" (or woman) - and that is quintessentially unfunny.kinabalu said:
This falls fair and square into the 'sad but true' category. Affects everyone not just comedians. My dad used to make me laugh (for all the right reasons) but now, not so much. All gets a bit stale.Byronic said:All comedians face this problem: it is much harder to be funny as you age. That's why so many successful comedians move on to other trades - writing, serious acting, etc.
Essential caveat, there are plenty of exceptions.
But not my dad.
But yes, there are exceptions: Billy Connolly?
(PS I am talking about his stand-up - his writing was obviously much better, as in Blackadder)
Humour is subjective, so if his content does not appeal. You will not find him funny! I thought roy chubby brown was funny as well whereas alan partridge comic i did not
Droll it was not. But chacun a son gout.
EDIT: out of curiosity I googled the history of this French phrase, apparently I am using a Quebecois mutation. Who knew.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/chacun_à_son_goût0 -
To be fair they only asked a question and nodded, they did not comment for or against Brexit just asked about its implications.JackW said:
Steve Baker calls for the abolition of the monarchy and the installation of Mr and Mrs Peter Bone as "Dear Leader and Leaderene"HYUFD said:
That said while the Queen and Duke of Edinburgh are almost certainly
Leavers and the Queen Mother was reportedly very anti EU, William and Kate are almost certainly Remainers as is Prince Charles. The age divide runs even amongst the Royals0 -
Good to see the media treating the contest with appropriate seriousness. Bunch of muppets. Yet we wonder why so many good people choose not to go into politics or run for high office.Pulpstar said:
Mark Harper did an ask me anything on tw@tter where someone asked him who would win between a lion and a bear. So some hack repeated it as the final question and it was the only news that came out of his launch.Byronic said:0 -
Here are the declared backers using either Guido or Wiki at the moment.
73 JOHNSON
36 HUNT
35 GOVE
24 RAAB
19 JAVID
16 HANCOCK
7 HARPER
6 McVEY
6 STEWART
5 LEADSOM
74 for Boris if you add Cash.0 -
Govey's jealous. He's the one who should be keeping his powder dry.MarqueeMark said:
Would that "senior Tory" be a desperately hopeful Michael Gove?Scott_P said:0 -
Grimy occupation. And yet, granted any wish, that is what I would plump for, to be a successful stand-up comic. I would choose that above movie star, billionaire hedge fund manager, sporting icon, top politician, you name it - even above male model.Sandpit said:I think the issue with standup is mostly money. Most comics spend years on the circuit, honing their material in a different town every night for a couple of hundred quid, and with a lifetime of experience to draw on. When the suddenly become successful, and an income of a couple of grand a month becomes a couple of hundred grand, they understandably lose their edge a little and a lot of them struggle to adjust - hence we see older comics as producers and writers, with the occasional TV game show to keep their eye in, rather than on the standup circuit.
The buzz you must get from making hundreds of people corpse live at your material and delivery must be amazing. I cannot imagine how it could be topped.1 -
How many to declare?Pulpstar said:Here are the declared backers using either Guido or Wiki at the moment.
73 JOHNSON
36 HUNT
35 GOVE
24 RAAB
19 JAVID
16 HANCOCK
7 HARPER
6 McVEY
6 STEWART
5 LEADSOM
74 for Boris if you add Cash.0 -
Anything except unicorns and no deal popping up in the Tory leadership contest yet?0
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LOL. Lots of countries all over the world are looking at electronic customs systems at the moment. The specific issues with the NI border are political not technological.Byronic said:
This is intriguing. The source is the Sun, so caveat emptor,OblitusSumMe said:
It's still unlikely that the EU will throw Ireland under the bus in such a way. If they were willing to do so then they already would have done so over the backstop.Byronic said:
Quite. I am amazed we aren't discussing this MORE.MikeL said:Suppose MPs pass law against No Deal Brexit.
What if EU doesn't then grant extension?
Presumably we leave with No Deal unless Parliament votes to formally revoke?
It is the most likely outcome, now.
ttps://twitter.com/EuroGuido/status/11384404716241920010 -
Someone needs to cut the Gordian Knot.Byronic said:
This is intriguing. The source is the Sun, so caveat emptor,OblitusSumMe said:
It's still unlikely that the EU will throw Ireland under the bus in such a way. If they were willing to do so then they already would have done so over the backstop.Byronic said:
Quite. I am amazed we aren't discussing this MORE.MikeL said:Suppose MPs pass law against No Deal Brexit.
What if EU doesn't then grant extension?
Presumably we leave with No Deal unless Parliament votes to formally revoke?
It is the most likely outcome, now.
https://twitter.com/EuroGuido/status/11384404716241920010 -
649 people rapt at your maiden speech in the HoC?kinabalu said:
Grimy occupation. And yet, granted any wish, that is what I would plump for, to be a successful stand-up comic. I would choose that above movie star, billionaire hedge fund manager, sporting icon, top politician, you name it - even above male model.Sandpit said:I think the issue with standup is mostly money. Most comics spend years on the circuit, honing their material in a different town every night for a couple of hundred quid, and with a lifetime of experience to draw on. When the suddenly become successful, and an income of a couple of grand a month becomes a couple of hundred grand, they understandably lose their edge a little and a lot of them struggle to adjust - hence we see older comics as producers and writers, with the occasional TV game show to keep their eye in, rather than on the standup circuit.
The buzz you must get from making hundreds of people corpse live at your material and delivery must be amazing. I cannot imagine how it could be topped.0 -
I am genuinely intrigued how it will be framed. He's pulled together enough public backers to project an image of inevitability that he will at the least get to the final two, but not a single one of the leadership candidates have been straight with what is likely to happen and so their plan B's (or lack thereof) are their actual plans, so I am very curious how much Boris will devote to meaningless, stirring nonsense, and how much reference there will be to how he will deliver. The others have not been stellar in that regard so far, given they mostly believe either that which has failed before will somehow succeed, or that they can force the EU to bow to them because they are just such great negotiators.HYUFD said:
Be patient, the Boris campaign launch is tomorrowScott_P said:0 -
The deal should be that you stop denying it and PB’ers stop mentioning it....Byronic said:
I'm flattered that you are actually googling my posts, in the most complicated way, though alarmed that you have nothing better to do?TrèsDifficile said:
A phrase used four times on pb according to google. Once by Cyclefree, once by AveryLP, and twice by you don't want to know who.Byronic said:
All I (dimly) remember was a loutish man screaming FATCHA!The_Taxman said:
I don't agree. I remember laughing at his stand up routine when it was on the TV.Byronic said:
Ben Elton wasn't funny when he was 20. Let alone now.matt said:
Ben Elton is, I believe, about to tour a show for the first time in a very long time. It will be interesting to see if if the audiences are nostalgia based or whether there’ll be anyone under, say, 40.Byronic said:
I think people can remain funny (in private) well into their 60s. It's much harder to remain funny in your 60s on stage, or on TV, because when non-related people look at you, they immediately think, maybe subconsciously, "Here's an old man" (or woman) - and that is quintessentially unfunny.kinabalu said:
This falls fair and square into the 'sad but true' category. Affects everyone not just comedians. My dad used to make me laugh (for all the right reasons) but now, not so much. All gets a bit stale.Byronic said:All comedians face this problem: it is much harder to be funny as you age. That's why so many successful comedians move on to other trades - writing, serious acting, etc.
Essential caveat, there are plenty of exceptions.
But not my dad.
But yes, there are exceptions: Billy Connolly?
(PS I am talking about his stand-up - his writing was obviously much better, as in Blackadder)
Humour is subjective, so if his content does not appeal. You will not find him funny! I thought roy chubby brown was funny as well whereas alan partridge comic i did not
Droll it was not. But chacun a son gout.
EDIT: out of curiosity I googled the history of this French phrase, apparently I am using a Quebecois mutation. Who knew.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/chacun_à_son_goût
I am just going to wisely sigh, in future, at these wrong-headed comments. Tsk.0 -
Meaning that there's no point designing the best system on earth, because it won't work because the sides don't want it work, for very different reasons.Sandpit said:
LOL. Lots of countries all over the world are looking at electronic customs systems at the moment. The specific issues with the NI border are political not technological.Byronic said:
This is intriguing. The source is the Sun, so caveat emptor,OblitusSumMe said:
It's still unlikely that the EU will throw Ireland under the bus in such a way. If they were willing to do so then they already would have done so over the backstop.Byronic said:
Quite. I am amazed we aren't discussing this MORE.MikeL said:Suppose MPs pass law against No Deal Brexit.
What if EU doesn't then grant extension?
Presumably we leave with No Deal unless Parliament votes to formally revoke?
It is the most likely outcome, now.
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I really do not how see how poor behaviour from one side makes poor behaviour from the other ok.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
Exactly. Our turn now.Philip_Thompson said:
Bercow has put multiple of his own bombs under the constitution. What's good for the goose ...Cicero said:
That wasn't an ad hominem attack on a great officer of state.logical_song said:
Well it worked for Vince.Scott_P said:
Very poor. Bercow is absolutely right: to prorogue Parliament to ram through a no deal would put a bomb under the constitution and place the Queen in an impossible position. It is even more irresponsible that the rest of the guff from the nutcase no dealers. The Conservative party has indeed been made mad and deserves destruction.0 -
I was, until very recently, a male model.kinabalu said:
Grimy occupation. And yet, granted any wish, that is what I would plump for, to be a successful stand-up comic. I would choose that above movie star, billionaire hedge fund manager, sporting icon, top politician, you name it - even above male model.Sandpit said:I think the issue with standup is mostly money. Most comics spend years on the circuit, honing their material in a different town every night for a couple of hundred quid, and with a lifetime of experience to draw on. When the suddenly become successful, and an income of a couple of grand a month becomes a couple of hundred grand, they understandably lose their edge a little and a lot of them struggle to adjust - hence we see older comics as producers and writers, with the occasional TV game show to keep their eye in, rather than on the standup circuit.
The buzz you must get from making hundreds of people corpse live at your material and delivery must be amazing. I cannot imagine how it could be topped.
Not as good as it sounds.0 -
I think that's more Google's purview than the mods.HYUFD said:
Sean T has 'a right to be forgotten' under GDPR moderators!
However, the Internet never really forgets, and anyone who wants to embarrass him over previous comments will be able to find them. And going for a GDPR just makes you look like you've something to hide.
The answer is simple: if you don't want people to see you're an asshat, don't be an asshat on t'Internet ...0 -
This is indeed the essence of it.Big_G_NorthWales said:He would promise anything and as we have seen those listed above are just as daft as to believe him. Sums up ERG
Johnson will do and say anything to get to the run-off. Then he will do and say anything to win and become PM. Then he will do and say anything to stay there.
It makes him highly predictable - therefore if the punters among us allow ourselves to be guided by it a very profitable time lies ahead.0 -
80? Will May?TheWhiteRabbit said:
How many to declare?Pulpstar said:Here are the declared backers using either Guido or Wiki at the moment.
73 JOHNSON
36 HUNT
35 GOVE
24 RAAB
19 JAVID
16 HANCOCK
7 HARPER
6 McVEY
6 STEWART
5 LEADSOM
74 for Boris if you add Cash.0 -
Isn't it convention that former PMs don't declare a support ? I expect she'd probably go for Hunt in the privacy of the booth.OldKingCole said:
80? Will May?TheWhiteRabbit said:
How many to declare?Pulpstar said:Here are the declared backers using either Guido or Wiki at the moment.
73 JOHNSON
36 HUNT
35 GOVE
24 RAAB
19 JAVID
16 HANCOCK
7 HARPER
6 McVEY
6 STEWART
5 LEADSOM
74 for Boris if you add Cash.0 -
I don't think more than 80% will declare. On about 71% at the moment.0
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Extraordinary insights! The evidence being what, precisely?HYUFD said:
To be fair they only asked a question and nodded, they did not comment for or against Brexit just asked about its implications.JackW said:
Steve Baker calls for the abolition of the monarchy and the installation of Mr and Mrs Peter Bone as "Dear Leader and Leaderene"HYUFD said:
That said while the Queen and Duke of Edinburgh are almost certainly
Leavers and the Queen Mother was reportedly very anti EU, William and Kate are almost certainly Remainers as is Prince Charles. The age divide runs even amongst the Royals0 -
I would have been horrified yes, as that would be ignoring the referendum result. All the comparisons you make ignore the gigantic elephant in the room, which is that this country voted in a democratic referendum to leave the EU.rcs1000 said:
You would, I hope, have been horrified if Cameron had perogued parliament to avoid invoking Article 50.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
Exactly. Our turn now.Philip_Thompson said:
Bercow has put multiple of his own bombs under the constitution. What's good for the goose ...Cicero said:
That wasn't an ad hominem attack on a great officer of state.logical_song said:
Well it worked for Vince.Scott_P said:
Very poor. Bercow is absolutely right: to prorogue Parliament to ram through a no deal would put a bomb under the constitution and place the Queen in an impossible position. It is even more irresponsible that the rest of the guff from the nutcase no dealers. The Conservative party has indeed been made mad and deserves destruction.
You would have been disgusted at his behaviour. It would have been an affront to our parliamentary democracy.
Imagine for a second that No Deal then turns out to be unpleasant. How do you think history will see you?
Proroguing parliament to avoid implementing ref result = Bad.
Proroguing parliament to force it to do what it promised/we voted for = Good.
Hope that's simple enough to understand. And remember, breaking conventions was started by this Speaker and his cronies of Letwin and Grieve - do they expect us to just sit back and abide by rules they do not? Nah. We're going to play just as dirty now.
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Last time out, the number of MPs voting in the ballots was one short of the total. David Cameron.Pulpstar said:
Isn't it convention that former PMs don't declare a support ? I expect she'd probably go for Hunt in the privacy of the booth.OldKingCole said:
80? Will May?TheWhiteRabbit said:
How many to declare?Pulpstar said:Here are the declared backers using either Guido or Wiki at the moment.
73 JOHNSON
36 HUNT
35 GOVE
24 RAAB
19 JAVID
16 HANCOCK
7 HARPER
6 McVEY
6 STEWART
5 LEADSOM
74 for Boris if you add Cash.0 -
Booker surge..
2020 Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, and Nevada. Dem Poll: Biden 39% Sanders 21% Warren 8% Buttigieg/Harris 7% Booker 4% O’Rourke 3% Klobuchar 2% the rest 1% or less0 -
My spreadsheet:TheWhiteRabbit said:
How many to declare?Pulpstar said:Here are the declared backers using either Guido or Wiki at the moment.
73 JOHNSON
36 HUNT
35 GOVE
24 RAAB
19 JAVID
16 HANCOCK
7 HARPER
6 McVEY
6 STEWART
5 LEADSOM
74 for Boris if you add Cash.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1feCjt98HJcY9tlc5Zx78ZoSOC2fN-j0vRVFD5eUTbUE/edit#gid=0
89 to declare with Wikipedia.0 -
Surely all the top male jobs these days go to good-looking actors and buff sports stars?Byronic said:
I was, until very recently, a male model.kinabalu said:
Grimy occupation. And yet, granted any wish, that is what I would plump for, to be a successful stand-up comic. I would choose that above movie star, billionaire hedge fund manager, sporting icon, top politician, you name it - even above male model.Sandpit said:I think the issue with standup is mostly money. Most comics spend years on the circuit, honing their material in a different town every night for a couple of hundred quid, and with a lifetime of experience to draw on. When the suddenly become successful, and an income of a couple of grand a month becomes a couple of hundred grand, they understandably lose their edge a little and a lot of them struggle to adjust - hence we see older comics as producers and writers, with the occasional TV game show to keep their eye in, rather than on the standup circuit.
The buzz you must get from making hundreds of people corpse live at your material and delivery must be amazing. I cannot imagine how it could be topped.
Not as good as it sounds.0 -
The technology is required, but not sufficient.kle4 said:
Meaning that there's no point designing the best system on earth, because it won't work because the sides don't want it work, for very different reasons.Sandpit said:
LOL. Lots of countries all over the world are looking at electronic customs systems at the moment. The specific issues with the NI border are political not technological.Byronic said:
This is intriguing. The source is the Sun, so caveat emptor,OblitusSumMe said:
It's still unlikely that the EU will throw Ireland under the bus in such a way. If they were willing to do so then they already would have done so over the backstop.Byronic said:
Quite. I am amazed we aren't discussing this MORE.MikeL said:Suppose MPs pass law against No Deal Brexit.
What if EU doesn't then grant extension?
Presumably we leave with No Deal unless Parliament votes to formally revoke?
It is the most likely outcome, now.
ttps://twitter.com/EuroGuido/status/11384404716241920010 -
It was high time he got away from 69.....Pulpstar said:Bozza has hit 70.
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In my view the EU is almost certain to grant an extension. And PM Boris Johnson, regardless of macho talk at this point, will opt for that over No Deal. Ditto any other feasible PM.rcs1000 said:Of course: parliament cannot bind the EU.
Indeed, I suspect that Boris Johnson's strategy is to be sufficiently objectionable that the EU veto any extension he asks for, therefore ensuring they get blamed for No Deal.
The danger with this strategy is that the EU does not play ball and instead grants an extension to 2022.
I therefore think No Deal in 2019 is far less likely than the betting market implies. Happy to lay it at 4.0 -
O/T
"Radiohead foil attempted blackmail over OK Computer tapes"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-485970960 -
If the other side has broken conventions, then the solution is to make the conventions more solid, not to say "my turn to break them now."Viceroy_of_Orange said:
I would have been horrified yes, as that would be ignoring the referendum result. All the comparisons you make ignore the gigantic elephant in the room, which is that this country voted in a democratic referendum to leave the EU.rcs1000 said:
You would, I hope, have been horrified if Cameron had perogued parliament to avoid invoking Article 50.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
Exactly. Our turn now.Philip_Thompson said:
Bercow has put multiple of his own bombs under the constitution. What's good for the goose ...Cicero said:
That wasn't an ad hominem attack on a great officer of state.logical_song said:
Well it worked for Vince.Scott_P said:
Very poor. Bercow is absolutely right: to prorogue Parliament to ram through a no deal would put a bomb under the constitution and place the Queen in an impossible position. It is even more irresponsible that the rest of the guff from the nutcase no dealers. The Conservative party has indeed been made mad and deserves destruction.
You would have been disgusted at his behaviour. It would have been an affront to our parliamentary democracy.
Imagine for a second that No Deal then turns out to be unpleasant. How do you think history will see you?
Proroguing parliament to avoid implementing ref result = Bad.
Proroguing parliament to force it to do what it promised/we voted for = Good.
Hope that's simple enough to understand. And remember, breaking conventions was started by this Speaker and his cronies of Letwin and Grieve - do they expect us to just sit back and abide by rules they do not? Nah. We're going to play just as dirty now.
We have a parliamentary democracy. Subverting it because it gets you the result you want will end up being used against you in the future. Do you really want that?
If this parliament will not do the democratic bidding of the people via the referendum then hold another election, and elect one that will. Don't try and subvert it.4 -
But Boris cannot survive as PM unless he seeks to deliver no deal. Therefore he will seek to deliver no deal - unless the EU renegotiates he has no other option if he wants to be PM.kinabalu said:
In my view the EU is almost certain to grant an extension. And PM Boris Johnson, regardless of macho talk at this point, will opt for that over No Deal. Ditto any other feasible PM.rcs1000 said:Of course: parliament cannot bind the EU.
Indeed, I suspect that Boris Johnson's strategy is to be sufficiently objectionable that the EU veto any extension he asks for, therefore ensuring they get blamed for No Deal.
The danger with this strategy is that the EU does not play ball and instead grants an extension to 2022.
I therefore think No Deal in 2019 is far less likely than the betting market implies. Happy to lay it at 4.0 -
Slightly O/T but, if you do think Leadsom gets eliminated in the 1st round, the value bets are probably Raab and McVey. Why? Because if some sort of scandal does derail Johnson - and I am sure Sarah Vine is working on it now - and Leadsom is out, those are the only two candidates leavers can vote forMarqueeMark said:
It was high time he got away from 69.....Pulpstar said:Bozza has hit 70.
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I think the licence fee and the BBC should cease to exist.Philip_Thompson said:
iPlayer loophole was no such thing.MikeL said:The BBC has played a pretty cute game.
The 2015 Licence Fee settlement had four components:
- LF to start rising again in line with CPI from 2017
- BBC funding of broadband (£150m per year) to cease
- iPlayer loophole closed (ie TVL required to watch iPlayer)
- BBC to take over cost of TVL for over 75s
Factoring in household growth, putting it all together the BBC said it represented "flat cash" or a 10% real terms cut over 5 years (assuming 2% inflation for 5 years). The BBC said it was a good deal. Indeed compared to most public services a 10% real terms cut was a pretty generous result.
Whilst technically the BBC took over responsibility for the policy, there was no expectation the BBC would start charging over 75s - the whole deal was a package.
Now the BBC is going to start charging approx 65% of over 75 households - it will have done better than just about any public service other than the NHS - with almost no real terms cut in funding at all.
(to be continued)
If the BBC is to be commercial and we rename the TV Licence to be a BBC Subscription Fee then iplayer being charged it makes sense.
But the TV licence is a fee to watch TV even if you don't want live BBC. The TV licence should be abolished for anyone who wants to watch TV but not BBC.0 -
Agreed. This idea that it is a good idea to constitutionally mess around because someone else did it first is not only very childish logic, it is an every escalating conflict which ends poorly for everyone. I am amazed people are willing to go down such a route while saying they care about more than just a single issue, as I would hope they do.rcs1000 said:
If the other side has broken conventions, then the solution is to make the conventions more solid, not to say "my turn to break them now."Viceroy_of_Orange said:
I would have been horrified yes, as that would be ignoring the referendum result. All the comparisons you make ignore the gigantic elephant in the room, which is that this country voted in a democratic referendum to leave the EU.rcs1000 said:
You would, I hope, have been horrified if Cameron had perogued parliament to avoid invoking Article 50.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
Exactly. Our turn now.Philip_Thompson said:
Bercow has put multiple of his own bombs under the constitution. What's good for the goose ...Cicero said:
That wasn't an ad hominem attack on a great officer of state.logical_song said:
Well it worked for Vince.Scott_P said:
Very poor. Bercow is absolutely right: to prorogue Parliament to ram through a no deal would put a bomb under the constitution and place the Queen in an impossible position. It is even more irresponsible that the rest of the guff from the nutcase no dealers. The Conservative party has indeed been made mad and deserves destruction.
You would have been disgusted at his behaviour. It would have been an affront to our parliamentary democracy.
Imagine for a second that No Deal then turns out to be unpleasant. How do you think history will see you?
Proroguing parliament to avoid implementing ref result = Bad.
Proroguing parliament to force it to do what it promised/we voted for = Good.
Hope that's simple enough to understand. And remember, breaking conventions was started by this Speaker and his cronies of Letwin and Grieve - do they expect us to just sit back and abide by rules they do not? Nah. We're going to play just as dirty now.
We have a parliamentary democracy. Subverting it because it gets you the result you want will end up being used against you in the future. Do you really want that?
If this parliament will not do the democratic bidding of the people via the referendum then hold another election, and elect one that will. Don't try and subvert it.0 -
He’s been watching Mrs M very carefully and already copying her submarine strategy. I am sure he noticed her promising something dozens of times and then not delivering, yet remaining in office. And also how difficult it is to get rid of a PM determined to stay in the chair. Likely even more difficult a second time.kle4 said:
But Boris cannot survive as PM unless he seeks to deliver no deal. Therefore he will seek to deliver no deal - unless the EU renegotiates he has no other option if he wants to be PM.kinabalu said:
In my view the EU is almost certain to grant an extension. And PM Boris Johnson, regardless of macho talk at this point, will opt for that over No Deal. Ditto any other feasible PM.rcs1000 said:Of course: parliament cannot bind the EU.
Indeed, I suspect that Boris Johnson's strategy is to be sufficiently objectionable that the EU veto any extension he asks for, therefore ensuring they get blamed for No Deal.
The danger with this strategy is that the EU does not play ball and instead grants an extension to 2022.
I therefore think No Deal in 2019 is far less likely than the betting market implies. Happy to lay it at 4.0 -
You think Macron is bluffing? I don't. He has his political machismo and prestige to defend, and he has made No Extension a definite red line. He also strikes me as the kind of man who cares about how he is perceived.kinabalu said:
In my view the EU is almost certain to grant an extension. And PM Boris Johnson, regardless of macho talk at this point, will opt for that over No Deal. Ditto any other feasible PM.rcs1000 said:Of course: parliament cannot bind the EU.
Indeed, I suspect that Boris Johnson's strategy is to be sufficiently objectionable that the EU veto any extension he asks for, therefore ensuring they get blamed for No Deal.
The danger with this strategy is that the EU does not play ball and instead grants an extension to 2022.
I therefore think No Deal in 2019 is far less likely than the betting market implies. Happy to lay it at 4.
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