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"Oh, look, there it is. It's still there.."kle4 said:Tory candidates have teaser trailers ahead of the full theatrical trailers now?
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May's problem was she offered only tax rises and spending cuts and as a Remainer not all Brexiteers trusted her, a miserable offering. Boris is going to offer more money for the NHS and tax cuts and BrexitIanB2 said:
The submarine strategy for policy announcements and campaigning having worked so well for the Conservatives before?HYUFD said:
Boris is only proposing an increase in the upper rate of NI which only applies to those earning over £962 a week ie £50 024, so anyone earning under £50k will not be affected either way by Boris' tax plans, it is mainly a shift from income tax to higher NI (but with wealthy pensioners net beneficiaries and the voters most likely to go to the polls and vote Tory but many currently voting Brexit Party).dixiedean said:
The point is rather that it would be paid for by an increase in NI. Which pensioners don't pay. Therefore, it would be a transfer of wealth from the lower paid in employment to the wealthier, in assets, at least, if not income.Benpointer said:dixiedean said:Of course Boris' main weakness may well turn out to be his tax plan. A massive transfer of funds to already wealthy pensioners is not really what the country is crying out for. Even if Tory members might like a bung.
Not much sense of how it will be paid for.
How many Tory members will even benefit from Boris's tax cut plan? I suspect a lot are comfortably off, but how namy over 65s are on pensions of >£50k?
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So tell me, Melania, what first attracted you to this elderly, ugly, misogynistic, and creepy billionaire?Casino_Royale said:
Attraction isn't about looks.Chris said:
Can anyone explain his appeal to the opposite sex?ydoethur said:
I hope not. His hands and face are quite revolting enough without seeing any more of him.rottenborough said:Boris aide has said we will see more of him in next week or so.
We will see.
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It actually contrasts Boris' income tax cut with the SNP high income tax agendaeek said:0 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbU3zdAgiX8HYUFD said:
The UK is the EU's biggest export destination, who knows what compromise may be agreed on the backstopBenpointer said:
What renegotiation? The EU are not going to renegotiate - why would they?HYUFD said:
If Parliament refuses to vote for the Withdrawal Amendment even after a renegotiation then you call a general election to get a mandate for it or No Deal.eek said:
As I posted as this thread was created - anyone sensible wants to raise their profile in this election ready for the next one.Richard_Tyndall said:
Stewart strikes me as someone who might just be bright enough to be playing the long game.rottenborough said:Rory's focussed on getting to TV debates:
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1138132393959788545
He knows that in all probability winning this time is probably a poison chalice but taking part and getting into the TV debates is a chance to get his name and ideas out there with a view to the following leadership campaign - which may not be that many years further ahead. All he has to do this time around is perform well, not make any stupid mistakes and definitely not make any promises that might come back to haunt him in the future.
Realistically I don't think you want to win this one or the next one. The winner of this election has to keep both the DUP and all current Tory MPs on side to win the immediate VONC that is coming and there is little chance of most candidates pulling that trick off except possibly Gove / Hunt (so it's highly possible the winner may actually never become PM).
You then need to delivery Brexit and no candidate has a chance of deliverying Brexit without an election (to change the Parliamentary arithmetic) yet they won't win an election without / before delivering Brexit.
YouGov had Boris winning a majority even now as he halved the Brexit Party voteshare to 13% as enough of their voters trusted him to deliver Brexit0 -
A big criticism of BJ is that he has no strategy or bigger picture and little thinking, simply an instinct for assessing everything through the prism of his own personal short term interest. This tax proposal simply proves that the critics are right.Benpointer said:
Approximately 4.7m higher rate tax payers in the UK apparently. What proportion of them are non-Tory voters who will be swayed to vote Tory by a tax cut?dixiedean said:
The trouble is money for the NHS was something all could benefit from. If the core vote is only top rate tax payers in England and Wales, then they are in difficulty.OblitusSumMe said:
Isn't it just a re-run of the referendum bus?dixiedean said:Of course Boris' main weakness may well turn out to be his tax plan. A massive transfer of funds to already wealthy pensioners is not really what the country is crying out for. Even if Tory members might like a bung.
Not much sense of how it will be paid for.
The details don't matter. The more his opponents attack him on the details the more it is established that Boris is a low-tax politician who is most likely to deliver tax cuts to Conservative Party members and core voters.
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No - there are lots of super-Remainers and some super-Leavers, but most members don't care that much and will vote for a fudge after much agonising. The votes to force the issue just aren't there. (I say that as someone who'd like us to go 2nd Ref.)rottenborough said:Not sure how Jezza is going to get through Lab conference with his fence sitting.
It is going to be a bloodbath. And even Len might not be able to massage and fudge this one away.0 -
I am not aware of only one side negotiating. What makes anyone think the EU will countenance these changes for even one minute ? Actually they know the EU won't. This is just posturing.FF43 said:Thread. Useful checklist of Tory leadership hopeful's proposals for the Irish border. Only one that bears a moment's consideration is from Rory Stewart, which is to pass May's Deal on the fourth time of asking. Matt Hancock gets half a point for vagueness to the point of vacuity. Who is Harper? I've never heard of him.
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Marian Hyde:ydoethur said:
So tell me, Melania, what first attracted you to this elderly, ugly, misogynistic, and creepy billionaire?Casino_Royale said:
Attraction isn't about looks.Chris said:
Can anyone explain his appeal to the opposite sex?ydoethur said:
I hope not. His hands and face are quite revolting enough without seeing any more of him.rottenborough said:Boris aide has said we will see more of him in next week or so.
We will see.
Biggest enduring myth there is.
"Any footage of Melania Trump, whose miserable countenance seems living testament to the old adage that when you marry for money, you earn every penny."0 -
"This is where the blue plaque will go..."Casino_Royale said:
"Oh, look, there it is. It's still there.."kle4 said:Tory candidates have teaser trailers ahead of the full theatrical trailers now?
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Only cosmetically for replication value which is very quickly superseded by social value. And attraction is not a choice.HYUFD said:
Short term it is but longer term it is about personalityCasino_Royale said:
Attraction isn't about looks.Chris said:
Can anyone explain his appeal to the opposite sex?ydoethur said:
I hope not. His hands and face are quite revolting enough without seeing any more of him.rottenborough said:Boris aide has said we will see more of him in next week or so.
We will see.
Biggest enduring myth there is.
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Indeed, 38% of upper middle class AB voters voted Labour in 2017 and 10% voted LD, less than half, 46%, voted Tory so there are plenty of higher earning non-Tory voters who might be attracted by this as well as existing Tory voters in that higher earning bracketkyf_100 said:
But a large number might be put off from voting Corbyn in 2022, after they've gotten used to the extra few hundred in their pay packet each month.Benpointer said:
Approximately 4.7m higher rate tax payers in the UK apparently. What proportion of them are non-Tory voters who will be swayed to vote Tory by a tax cut?dixiedean said:
The trouble is money for the NHS was something all could benefit from. If the core vote is only top rate tax payers in England and Wales, then they are in difficulty.OblitusSumMe said:
Isn't it just a re-run of the referendum bus?dixiedean said:Of course Boris' main weakness may well turn out to be his tax plan. A massive transfer of funds to already wealthy pensioners is not really what the country is crying out for. Even if Tory members might like a bung.
Not much sense of how it will be paid for.
The details don't matter. The more his opponents attack him on the details the more it is established that Boris is a low-tax politician who is most likely to deliver tax cuts to Conservative Party members and core voters.
Not many.
It's actually quite a clever trap, the promise of a tax cut might not sway many voters, but forcing your opponent to come out in favour of taking that money away once it's been given is very different.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2017/06/13/how-britain-voted-2017-general-election
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and peace, sunshine and happiness and children will never have to scrounge for apples any more.HYUFD said:
May's problem was she offered only tax rises and spending cuts and as a Remainer not all Brexiteers trusted her, a miserable offering. Boris is going to offer more money for the NHS and tax cuts and BrexitIanB2 said:
The submarine strategy for policy announcements and campaigning having worked so well for the Conservatives before?HYUFD said:
Boris is only proposing an increase in the upper rate of NI which only applies to those earning over £962 a week ie £50 024, so anyone earning under £50k will not be affected either way by Boris' tax plans, it is mainly a shift from income tax to higher NI (but with wealthy pensioners net beneficiaries and the voters most likely to go to the polls and vote Tory but many currently voting Brexit Party).dixiedean said:
The point is rather that it would be paid for by an increase in NI. Which pensioners don't pay. Therefore, it would be a transfer of wealth from the lower paid in employment to the wealthier, in assets, at least, if not income.Benpointer said:dixiedean said:Of course Boris' main weakness may well turn out to be his tax plan. A massive transfer of funds to already wealthy pensioners is not really what the country is crying out for. Even if Tory members might like a bung.
Not much sense of how it will be paid for.
How many Tory members will even benefit from Boris's tax cut plan? I suspect a lot are comfortably off, but how namy over 65s are on pensions of >£50k?
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Didn't John Major do this video in Brixton 25 years ago?williamglenn said:
"This is where the blue plaque will go..."Casino_Royale said:
"Oh, look, there it is. It's still there.."kle4 said:Tory candidates have teaser trailers ahead of the full theatrical trailers now?
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His self confidence?ydoethur said:
So tell me, Melania, what first attracted you to this elderly, ugly, misogynistic, and creepy billionaire?Casino_Royale said:
Attraction isn't about looks.Chris said:
Can anyone explain his appeal to the opposite sex?ydoethur said:
I hope not. His hands and face are quite revolting enough without seeing any more of him.rottenborough said:Boris aide has said we will see more of him in next week or so.
We will see.
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However, Corbyn's position is marginally weaker after Emily came out so forcefully for 2nd ref. She was punished by letting Rebecca Long-Name standing in for JC in PMQ's.NickPalmer said:
No - there are lots of super-Remainers and some super-Leavers, but most members don't care that much and will vote for a fudge after much agonising. The votes to force the issue just aren't there. (I say that as someone who'd like us to go 2nd Ref.)rottenborough said:Not sure how Jezza is going to get through Lab conference with his fence sitting.
It is going to be a bloodbath. And even Len might not be able to massage and fudge this one away.0 -
I wouldn't call anyone traitorous, I prefer the word treacherous.williamglenn said:
Why is someone who allegedly changed their mind before 2016 sound on Europe, but someone who changed their mind after 2016 is a traitorous Remoaner?Luckyguy1983 said:
Gosh, changing her mind, what a truly foul individual.Benpointer said:
Give her her due, she was very prescient about Brexit back in 2013, stating that: "it would be a disaster for our economy and it would lead to a decade of economic and political uncertainty".kle4 said:
I meant besides that reason. I assume there has to be more of a reason than just the pseudo-pun.Chris said:
Is it a sort of pun on her name - Leadsom?kle4 said:
Just because people dislike soemone does not mean they are scared of them.Luckyguy1983 said:The comments in this thread about Leadsom are ridiculous. She's not remotely loathsome or witchy - she doesn't have a Thatcheresque demeanour, not that it would be reprehensible of she did. I can only conclude that she's the one people are scared will actually succeed in securing Brexit and a thriving UK.
That said, I don't recall why people think she is especially loathsome.
Shame she didn't pay attention to herself.
Regarding people who've gone Remain since the referendum, I wouldn't call them treacherous, I'd call them credulous, skittish and easily demoralised. Not much else you can call people repenting something that hasn't even happened.0 -
I defer to your greater knowledge, but aren't there a flood of motions coming in on the Brexit issue?NickPalmer said:
No - there are lots of super-Remainers and some super-Leavers, but most members don't care that much and will vote for a fudge after much agonising. The votes to force the issue just aren't there. (I say that as someone who'd like us to go 2nd Ref.)rottenborough said:Not sure how Jezza is going to get through Lab conference with his fence sitting.
It is going to be a bloodbath. And even Len might not be able to massage and fudge this one away.0 -
His big...….wallet ?ydoethur said:
So tell me, Melania, what first attracted you to this elderly, ugly, misogynistic, and creepy billionaire?Casino_Royale said:
Attraction isn't about looks.Chris said:
Can anyone explain his appeal to the opposite sex?ydoethur said:
I hope not. His hands and face are quite revolting enough without seeing any more of him.rottenborough said:Boris aide has said we will see more of him in next week or so.
We will see.
Biggest enduring myth there is.0 -
Casino_Royale said:
"Oh, look, there it is. It's still there.."kle4 said:Tory candidates have teaser trailers ahead of the full theatrical trailers now?
https://twitter.com/TeamSaj/status/1138137690644328448
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Leadsom clearly kept something back so she qualified, but then again so did McVey and Stewart too both of whom were short on declared support.viewcode said:
I don't agree with your last sentence, but I do agree that the PB collective opinion of Andrea Leadsome are a bit mismatched. Although if anybody would like to argue the case, happy to hear counter-argumentLuckyguy1983 said:The comments in this thread about Leadsom are ridiculous. She's not remotely loathsome or witchy - she doesn't have a Thatcheresque demeanour, not that it would be reprehensible of she did. I can only conclude that she's the one people are scared will actually succeed in securing Brexit and a thriving UK.
On the other hand Gyimah clearly couldn't even get that.
It could just be backbench MPs being sporting or the sign of something more. I doubt it is because I think she'd definitely declare significant support if she had it to generate momentum. As it was she could only wheel out one new MP on Friday.
So I think she's struggling whilst Stewart might just make it through the first round, but we'll see.0 -
Well, there's nothing else in the trouser area suggestive of ample size or fullness...surbiton19 said:
His big...….wallet ?ydoethur said:
So tell me, Melania, what first attracted you to this elderly, ugly, misogynistic, and creepy billionaire?Casino_Royale said:
Attraction isn't about looks.Chris said:
Can anyone explain his appeal to the opposite sex?ydoethur said:
I hope not. His hands and face are quite revolting enough without seeing any more of him.rottenborough said:Boris aide has said we will see more of him in next week or so.
We will see.
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So true you quoted it twice?_Anazina_ said:Luckyguy1983 said:
Case in point..._Anazina_ said:
😂😂😂Luckyguy1983 said:The comments in this thread about Leadsom are ridiculous. She's not remotely loathsome or witchy - she doesn't have a Thatcheresque demeanour, not that it would be reprehensible of she did. I can only conclude that she's the one people are scared will actually succeed in securing Brexit and a thriving UK.
🤣🤣🤣Luckyguy1983 said:
Case in point..._Anazina_ said:
😂😂😂Luckyguy1983 said:The comments in this thread about Leadsom are ridiculous. She's not remotely loathsome or witchy - she doesn't have a Thatcheresque demeanour, not that it would be reprehensible of she did. I can only conclude that she's the one people are scared will actually succeed in securing Brexit and a thriving UK.
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The real horror stories are out of the way. No Baker, no Williamson, and no Davis.
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Her idea of pushing uncontroversial bits of the Withdrawal Agreement through parliament now is interesting and seems sensible to me. Her "managed exit" idea where we don't bother to deal with the EU but get deals anyway, is utter nonsense. But given the other candidates' suggestions for Brexit are just as batshit, I give Leadsom a pass for having one sensible idea.viewcode said:
I don't agree with your last sentence, but I do agree that the PB collective opinion of Andrea Leadsome are a bit mismatched. Although if anybody would like to argue the case, happy to hear counter-argumentLuckyguy1983 said:The comments in this thread about Leadsom are ridiculous. She's not remotely loathsome or witchy - she doesn't have a Thatcheresque demeanour, not that it would be reprehensible of she did. I can only conclude that she's the one people are scared will actually succeed in securing Brexit and a thriving UK.
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The dog which didn't bark.HYUFD said:
The UK is the EU's biggest export destination, who knows what compromise may be agreed on the backstopBenpointer said:
What renegotiation? The EU are not going to renegotiate - why would they?HYUFD said:
If Parliament refuses to vote for the Withdrawal Amendment even after a renegotiation then you call a general election to get a mandate for it or No Deal.eek said:
As I posted as this thread was created - anyone sensible wants to raise their profile in this election ready for the next one.Richard_Tyndall said:
Stewart strikes me as someone who might just be bright enough to be playing the long game.rottenborough said:Rory's focussed on getting to TV debates:
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1138132393959788545
He knows that in all probability winning this time is probably a poison chalice but taking part and getting into the TV debates is a chance to get his name and ideas out there with a view to the following leadership campaign - which may not be that many years further ahead. All he has to do this time around is perform well, not make any stupid mistakes and definitely not make any promises that might come back to haunt him in the future.
Realistically I don't think you want to win this one or the next one. The winner of this election has to keep both the DUP and all current Tory MPs on side to win the immediate VONC that is coming and there is little chance of most candidates pulling that trick off except possibly Gove / Hunt (so it's highly possible the winner may actually never become PM).
You then need to delivery Brexit and no candidate has a chance of deliverying Brexit without an election (to change the Parliamentary arithmetic) yet they won't win an election without / before delivering Brexit.
YouGov had Boris winning a majority even now as he halved the Brexit Party voteshare to 13% as enough of their voters trusted him to deliver Brexit0 -
I'm not a Boris fan and it wouldn't surprise me.Benpointer said:
I await your reaction when PM BoJo changes his mind and revokes A50Luckyguy1983 said:
Gosh, changing her mind, what a truly foul individual.Benpointer said:
Give her her due, she was very prescient about Brexit back in 2013, stating that: "it would be a disaster for our economy and it would lead to a decade of economic and political uncertainty".kle4 said:
I meant besides that reason. I assume there has to be more of a reason than just the pseudo-pun.Chris said:
Is it a sort of pun on her name - Leadsom?kle4 said:
Just because people dislike soemone does not mean they are scared of them.Luckyguy1983 said:The comments in this thread about Leadsom are ridiculous. She's not remotely loathsome or witchy - she doesn't have a Thatcheresque demeanour, not that it would be reprehensible of she did. I can only conclude that she's the one people are scared will actually succeed in securing Brexit and a thriving UK.
That said, I don't recall why people think she is especially loathsome.
Shame she didn't pay attention to herself.
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Apols if already posted:
Rebel MP Chuka Umunna is set to continue his battle against Brexit by standing for the Liberal Democrats in his own rock-solid Labour seat.
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Melania: Er, what on Earth makes you think I’m attracted to him?ydoethur said:
So tell me, Melania, what first attracted you to this elderly, ugly, misogynistic, and creepy billionaire?Casino_Royale said:
Attraction isn't about looks.Chris said:
Can anyone explain his appeal to the opposite sex?ydoethur said:
I hope not. His hands and face are quite revolting enough without seeing any more of him.rottenborough said:Boris aide has said we will see more of him in next week or so.
We will see.
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Theresa May already doesn’t seem quite so bad.0
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It is comes to something when we are just plain relieved that the absolute nutjobs didn't make the cut.ydoethur said:
I thought for a moment you meant Chris Williamson, and I was about to protest that (a) he's not eligible and (b) even the Tories wouldn't elect him right now.Omnium said:The real horror stories are out of the way. No Baker, no Williamson, and no Davis.
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I dunno... he’s a massive arse.ydoethur said:
Well, there's nothing else in the trouser area suggestive of ample size or fullness...surbiton19 said:
His big...….wallet ?ydoethur said:
So tell me, Melania, what first attracted you to this elderly, ugly, misogynistic, and creepy billionaire?Casino_Royale said:
Attraction isn't about looks.Chris said:
Can anyone explain his appeal to the opposite sex?ydoethur said:
I hope not. His hands and face are quite revolting enough without seeing any more of him.rottenborough said:Boris aide has said we will see more of him in next week or so.
We will see.
Biggest enduring myth there is.
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Barron?_Anazina_ said:
Melanie: Er, what on Earth makes you think I’m attracted to him?ydoethur said:
So tell me, Melania, what first attracted you to this elderly, ugly, misogynistic, and creepy billionaire?Casino_Royale said:
Attraction isn't about looks.Chris said:
Can anyone explain his appeal to the opposite sex?ydoethur said:
I hope not. His hands and face are quite revolting enough without seeing any more of him.rottenborough said:Boris aide has said we will see more of him in next week or so.
We will see.
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They don't need to, they are very confident of getting what they want without doing so. Of course, Baker and Grieve cannot both be right, so one set of fanatics will be losing out.rottenborough said:
It is comes to something when we are just plain relieved that the absolute nutjobs didn't make the cut.ydoethur said:
I thought for a moment you meant Chris Williamson, and I was about to protest that (a) he's not eligible and (b) even the Tories wouldn't elect him right now.Omnium said:The real horror stories are out of the way. No Baker, no Williamson, and no Davis.
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I hate to break it to you, but you're wrong. Gove did.rottenborough said:
It is comes to something when we are just plain relieved that the absolute nutjobs didn't make the cut.ydoethur said:
I thought for a moment you meant Chris Williamson, and I was about to protest that (a) he's not eligible and (b) even the Tories wouldn't elect him right now.Omnium said:The real horror stories are out of the way. No Baker, no Williamson, and no Davis.
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There are. But there are 650 constituencies, so it doesn't take a large proportion to give the feeling of a flood. There are certainly enough to force a debate and I expect some ground will be given, but it'll still end up fudged and IMO should do, because the actual outcome is so unpredictable, so we can't sensibly tie ourselves to a single outcome outside our control which could look completely unrealistic a few weeks later.rottenborough said:
I defer to your greater knowledge, but aren't there a flood of motions coming in on the Brexit issue?NickPalmer said:
No - there are lots of super-Remainers and some super-Leavers, but most members don't care that much and will vote for a fudge after much agonising. The votes to force the issue just aren't there. (I say that as someone who'd like us to go 2nd Ref.)rottenborough said:Not sure how Jezza is going to get through Lab conference with his fence sitting.
It is going to be a bloodbath. And even Len might not be able to massage and fudge this one away.
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Good answer!Nigelb said:
I dunno... he’s a massive arse.ydoethur said:
Well, there's nothing else in the trouser area suggestive of ample size or fullness...surbiton19 said:
His big...….wallet ?ydoethur said:
So tell me, Melania, what first attracted you to this elderly, ugly, misogynistic, and creepy billionaire?Casino_Royale said:
Attraction isn't about looks.Chris said:
Can anyone explain his appeal to the opposite sex?ydoethur said:
I hope not. His hands and face are quite revolting enough without seeing any more of him.rottenborough said:Boris aide has said we will see more of him in next week or so.
We will see.
Biggest enduring myth there is.0 -
The expectation is that Boris Johnson will give Gavin Williamson a senior cabinet job as reward for running his leadership campaign.Omnium said:The real horror stories are out of the way. No Baker, no Williamson, and no Davis.
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If your nightmares have Chris Williamson in them you need to get a new casting director. The actual undead are awful at acting in undead roles. Good in East-Enders though.ydoethur said:
I thought for a moment you meant Chris Williamson, and I was about to protest that (a) he's not eligible and (b) even the Tories wouldn't elect him right now.Omnium said:The real horror stories are out of the way. No Baker, no Williamson, and no Davis.
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"hasn't even happened."Luckyguy1983 said:
I wouldn't call anyone traitorous, I prefer the word treacherous.williamglenn said:
Why is someone who allegedly changed their mind before 2016 sound on Europe, but someone who changed their mind after 2016 is a traitorous Remoaner?Luckyguy1983 said:
Gosh, changing her mind, what a truly foul individual.Benpointer said:
Give her her due, she was very prescient about Brexit back in 2013, stating that: "it would be a disaster for our economy and it would lead to a decade of economic and political uncertainty".kle4 said:
I meant besides that reason. I assume there has to be more of a reason than just the pseudo-pun.Chris said:
Is it a sort of pun on her name - Leadsom?kle4 said:
Just because people dislike soemone does not mean they are scared of them.Luckyguy1983 said:The comments in this thread about Leadsom are ridiculous. She's not remotely loathsome or witchy - she doesn't have a Thatcheresque demeanour, not that it would be reprehensible of she did. I can only conclude that she's the one people are scared will actually succeed in securing Brexit and a thriving UK.
That said, I don't recall why people think she is especially loathsome.
Shame she didn't pay attention to herself.
Regarding people who've gone Remain since the referendum, I wouldn't call them treacherous, I'd call them credulous, skittish and easily demoralised. Not much else you can call people repenting something that hasn't even happened.
Your case three years ago was that you could bring about a good brexit. It transpires that you are too fecking useless to bring about any sort of brexit at all either now or in the foreseeable, and you are presenting that as a point in your favour. I salute your indefatigability.1 -
Hu are we? Hu are we?TheScreamingEagles said:
The expectation is that Boris Johnson will give Gavin Williamson a senior cabinet job as reward for running his leadership campaign.Omnium said:The real horror stories are out of the way. No Baker, no Williamson, and no Davis.
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I though that quote was Raab:dixiedean said:Leadsom. "I tried cannabis. Since then I have become aware of the terrible effects it can have on ones mental health."
Errrr. Not the best phrasing, Andrea.
Nevertheless, watching her on C4 news, she seems sane, realistic and measured. Certainly in comparison with some others.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/09/high-tories-how-the-leadership-candidates-drug-pasts-compare
Which would make a great deal more sense.0 -
Yep.HYUFD said:
Indeed, 38% of upper middle class AB voters voted Labour in 2017 and 10% voted LD, less than half, 46%, voted Tory so there are plenty of higher earning non-Tory voters who might be attracted by this as well as existing Tory voters in that higher earning bracketkyf_100 said:
But a large number might be put off from voting Corbyn in 2022, after they've gotten used to the extra few hundred in their pay packet each month.Benpointer said:
Approximately 4.7m higher rate tax payers in the UK apparently. What proportion of them are non-Tory voters who will be swayed to vote Tory by a tax cut?dixiedean said:
The trouble is money for the NHS was something all could benefit from. If the core vote is only top rate tax payers in England and Wales, then they are in difficulty.OblitusSumMe said:
Isn't it just a re-run of the referendum bus?dixiedean said:Of course Boris' main weakness may well turn out to be his tax plan. A massive transfer of funds to already wealthy pensioners is not really what the country is crying out for. Even if Tory members might like a bung.
Not much sense of how it will be paid for.
The details don't matter. The more his opponents attack him on the details the more it is established that Boris is a low-tax politician who is most likely to deliver tax cuts to Conservative Party members and core voters.
Not many.
It's actually quite a clever trap, the promise of a tax cut might not sway many voters, but forcing your opponent to come out in favour of taking that money away once it's been given is very different.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2017/06/13/how-britain-voted-2017-general-election
The other thing it neutralises is the 2017 line Labour managed to trot out that taxes would only rise for those earning over 80k. "Taxes will rise for anyone earning over 50k" sounds a lot more scary, even for people on 40k, who will feel much closer to it.
It's genuinely a good trap to set, because it will force Labour to parrot the Conservative attack line that taxes will rise under Labour. Not for the few, but for the many.1 -
Is Williamson really Boris' campaign manager?TheScreamingEagles said:
The expectation is that Boris Johnson will give Gavin Williamson a senior cabinet job as reward for running his leadership campaign.Omnium said:The real horror stories are out of the way. No Baker, no Williamson, and no Davis.
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Always a pleasure when you tee them up like that.ydoethur said:
Good answer!Nigelb said:
I dunno... he’s a massive arse.ydoethur said:
Well, there's nothing else in the trouser area suggestive of ample size or fullness...surbiton19 said:
His big...….wallet ?ydoethur said:
So tell me, Melania, what first attracted you to this elderly, ugly, misogynistic, and creepy billionaire?Casino_Royale said:
Attraction isn't about looks.Chris said:
Can anyone explain his appeal to the opposite sex?ydoethur said:
I hope not. His hands and face are quite revolting enough without seeing any more of him.rottenborough said:Boris aide has said we will see more of him in next week or so.
We will see.
Biggest enduring myth there is.
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Except for the minor detail that the changes will never pass parliament in the first place.kyf_100 said:
Yep.HYUFD said:
Indeed, 38% of upper middle class AB voters voted Labour in 2017 and 10% voted LD, less than half, 46%, voted Tory so there are plenty of higher earning non-Tory voters who might be attracted by this as well as existing Tory voters in that higher earning bracketkyf_100 said:
But a large number might be put off from voting Corbyn in 2022, after they've gotten used to the extra few hundred in their pay packet each month.Benpointer said:
Approximately 4.7m higher rate tax payers in the UK apparently. What proportion of them are non-Tory voters who will be swayed to vote Tory by a tax cut?dixiedean said:
The trouble is money for the NHS was something all could benefit from. If the core vote is only top rate tax payers in England and Wales, then they are in difficulty.OblitusSumMe said:
Isn't it just a re-run of the referendum bus?dixiedean said:Of course Boris' main weakness may well turn out to be his tax plan. A massive transfer of funds to already wealthy pensioners is not really what the country is crying out for. Even if Tory members might like a bung.
Not much sense of how it will be paid for.
The details don't matter. The more his opponents attack him on the details the more it is established that Boris is a low-tax politician who is most likely to deliver tax cuts to Conservative Party members and core voters.
Not many.
It's actually quite a clever trap, the promise of a tax cut might not sway many voters, but forcing your opponent to come out in favour of taking that money away once it's been given is very different.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2017/06/13/how-britain-voted-2017-general-election
The other thing it neutralises is the 2017 line Labour managed to trot out that taxes would only rise for those earning over 80k. "Taxes will rise for anyone earning over 50k" sounds a lot more scary, even for people on 40k, who will feel much closer to it.
It's genuinely a good trap to set, because it will force Labour to parrot the Conservative attack line that taxes will rise under Labour. Not for the few, but for the many.0 -
The UK is heading towards basketcase politics and economy. Italy without the sunshine and good food. Johnson will be the Berlusconi to Farage's Salvini, I suppose.IanB2 said:Theresa May already doesn’t seem quite so bad.
It's debatable whether Brexit is the cause or the symptom of the decline.0 -
No, he's running the Parliamentary side, getting wavering MPs overOmnium said:
Is Williamson really Boris' campaign manager?TheScreamingEagles said:
The expectation is that Boris Johnson will give Gavin Williamson a senior cabinet job as reward for running his leadership campaign.Omnium said:The real horror stories are out of the way. No Baker, no Williamson, and no Davis.
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Changing your mind over time is fine but how do you go from statement to supporting Brexit 3 years later in the referendum?Luckyguy1983 said:
Gosh, changing her mind, what a truly foul individual.Benpointer said:
Give her her due, she was very prescient about Brexit back in 2013, stating that: "it would be a disaster for our economy and it would lead to a decade of economic and political uncertainty".kle4 said:
I meant besides that reason. I assume there has to be more of a reason than just the pseudo-pun.Chris said:
Is it a sort of pun on her name - Leadsom?kle4 said:
Just because people dislike soemone does not mean they are scared of them.Luckyguy1983 said:The comments in this thread about Leadsom are ridiculous. She's not remotely loathsome or witchy - she doesn't have a Thatcheresque demeanour, not that it would be reprehensible of she did. I can only conclude that she's the one people are scared will actually succeed in securing Brexit and a thriving UK.
That said, I don't recall why people think she is especially loathsome.
Shame she didn't pay attention to herself.0 -
How can Gavin be allowed back in the cabinet after his exit. It's ridiculous.TheScreamingEagles said:
The expectation is that Boris Johnson will give Gavin Williamson a senior cabinet job as reward for running his leadership campaign.Omnium said:The real horror stories are out of the way. No Baker, no Williamson, and no Davis.
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Ok, so that's just his story. Pick the fav and tell everyone you're pulling the strings. Definitely, definitely don't tell the papers though!TheScreamingEagles said:
No, he's running the Parliamentary side, getting wavering MPs overOmnium said:
Is Williamson really Boris' campaign manager?TheScreamingEagles said:
The expectation is that Boris Johnson will give Gavin Williamson a senior cabinet job as reward for running his leadership campaign.Omnium said:The real horror stories are out of the way. No Baker, no Williamson, and no Davis.
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Who is this 'you' of whom you speak? My case as a voter was that leaving the EU was a good idea. It is still my view that leaving the EU is a good idea, and I have seen nothing to remotely dissuade me.Ishmael_Z said:
"hasn't even happened."Luckyguy1983 said:
I wouldn't call anyone traitorous, I prefer the word treacherous.williamglenn said:
Why is someone who allegedly changed their mind before 2016 sound on Europe, but someone who changed their mind after 2016 is a traitorous Remoaner?Luckyguy1983 said:
Gosh, changing her mind, what a truly foul individual.Benpointer said:
Give her her due, she was very prescient about Brexit back in 2013, stating that: "it would be a disaster for our economy and it would lead to a decade of economic and political uncertainty".kle4 said:
I meant besides that reason. I assume there has to be more of a reason than just the pseudo-pun.Chris said:
Is it a sort of pun on her name - Leadsom?kle4 said:
Just because people dislike soemone does not mean they are scared of them.Luckyguy1983 said:The comments in this thread about Leadsom are ridiculous. She's not remotely loathsome or witchy - she doesn't have a Thatcheresque demeanour, not that it would be reprehensible of she did. I can only conclude that she's the one people are scared will actually succeed in securing Brexit and a thriving UK.
That said, I don't recall why people think she is especially loathsome.
Shame she didn't pay attention to herself.
Regarding people who've gone Remain since the referendum, I wouldn't call them treacherous, I'd call them credulous, skittish and easily demoralised. Not much else you can call people repenting something that hasn't even happened.
Your case three years ago was that you could bring about a good brexit. It transpires that you are too fecking useless to bring about any sort of brexit at all either now or in the foreseeable, and you are presenting that as a point in your favour. I salute your indefatigability.0 -
Welcome to Boris/Brexit world.MaxPB said:
How can Gavin be allowed back in the cabinet after his exit. It's ridiculous.TheScreamingEagles said:
The expectation is that Boris Johnson will give Gavin Williamson a senior cabinet job as reward for running his leadership campaign.Omnium said:The real horror stories are out of the way. No Baker, no Williamson, and no Davis.
Liam Fox made it back.0 -
Funnily enough, he could probably get away with it. His supporters are so credulous they would buy it from him, even though they would go apeshit if anyone else tried it.Luckyguy1983 said:
I'm not a Boris fan and it wouldn't surprise me.Benpointer said:
I await your reaction when PM BoJo changes his mind and revokes A50Luckyguy1983 said:
Gosh, changing her mind, what a truly foul individual.Benpointer said:
Give her her due, she was very prescient about Brexit back in 2013, stating that: "it would be a disaster for our economy and it would lead to a decade of economic and political uncertainty".kle4 said:
I meant besides that reason. I assume there has to be more of a reason than just the pseudo-pun.Chris said:
Is it a sort of pun on her name - Leadsom?kle4 said:
Just because people dislike soemone does not mean they are scared of them.Luckyguy1983 said:The comments in this thread about Leadsom are ridiculous. She's not remotely loathsome or witchy - she doesn't have a Thatcheresque demeanour, not that it would be reprehensible of she did. I can only conclude that she's the one people are scared will actually succeed in securing Brexit and a thriving UK.
That said, I don't recall why people think she is especially loathsome.
Shame she didn't pay attention to herself.0 -
Very much so. See also Gordon Brown and tax credits.kyf_100 said:
But a large number might be put off from voting Corbyn in 2022, after they've gotten used to the extra few hundred in their pay packet each month.Benpointer said:
Approximately 4.7m higher rate tax payers in the UK apparently. What proportion of them are non-Tory voters who will be swayed to vote Tory by a tax cut?dixiedean said:
The trouble is money for the NHS was something all could benefit from. If the core vote is only top rate tax payers in England and Wales, then they are in difficulty.OblitusSumMe said:
Isn't it just a re-run of the referendum bus?dixiedean said:Of course Boris' main weakness may well turn out to be his tax plan. A massive transfer of funds to already wealthy pensioners is not really what the country is crying out for. Even if Tory members might like a bung.
Not much sense of how it will be paid for.
The details don't matter. The more his opponents attack him on the details the more it is established that Boris is a low-tax politician who is most likely to deliver tax cuts to Conservative Party members and core voters.
Not many.
It's actually quite a clever trap, the promise of a tax cut might not sway many voters, but forcing your opponent to come out in favour of taking that money away once it's been given is very different.0 -
Like Boris's volte-face, it springs from opportunism, not principle.OllyT said:
Changing your mind over time is fine but how do you go from statement to supporting Brexit 3 years later in the referendum?Luckyguy1983 said:
Gosh, changing her mind, what a truly foul individual.Benpointer said:
Give her her due, she was very prescient about Brexit back in 2013, stating that: "it would be a disaster for our economy and it would lead to a decade of economic and political uncertainty".kle4 said:
I meant besides that reason. I assume there has to be more of a reason than just the pseudo-pun.Chris said:
Is it a sort of pun on her name - Leadsom?kle4 said:
Just because people dislike soemone does not mean they are scared of them.Luckyguy1983 said:The comments in this thread about Leadsom are ridiculous. She's not remotely loathsome or witchy - she doesn't have a Thatcheresque demeanour, not that it would be reprehensible of she did. I can only conclude that she's the one people are scared will actually succeed in securing Brexit and a thriving UK.
That said, I don't recall why people think she is especially loathsome.
Shame she didn't pay attention to herself.
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If Scottish tax payers end up having a higher tax bill than English ones, that is the fault of the SNP administration.Scott_P said:0 -
It would be interesting to see the full nomination paper for Andrea Leadsom in order to find out who her other supporters are, but I can't find it anywhere.0
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Which Nation did you have in mind...Yemen?Andrew said:
I still dream of a govt of national unity, spearheaded by the A-team of Williamson and Grayling.ydoethur said:I thought for a moment you meant Chris Williamson, and I was about to protest that (a) he's not eligible and (b) even the Tories wouldn't elect him right now.
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It's officially not publishedAndyJS said:It would be interesting to see the full nomination paper for Andrea Leadsom in order to find out who her other supporters are, but I can't find it anywhere.
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It was ridiculous the first time. What’s changed ?MaxPB said:
How can Gavin be allowed back in the cabinet after his exit. It's ridiculous.TheScreamingEagles said:
The expectation is that Boris Johnson will give Gavin Williamson a senior cabinet job as reward for running his leadership campaign.Omnium said:The real horror stories are out of the way. No Baker, no Williamson, and no Davis.
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Sure: the reason is it’s insulting, dismissive, conveys contempt and has absolutely no factual basis that can be challenged or counteredkle4 said:
I meant besides that reason. I assume there has to be more of a reason than just the pseudo-pun.Chris said:
Is it a sort of pun on her name - Leadsom?kle4 said:
Just because people dislike soemone does not mean they are scared of them.Luckyguy1983 said:The comments in this thread about Leadsom are ridiculous. She's not remotely loathsome or witchy - she doesn't have a Thatcheresque demeanour, not that it would be reprehensible of she did. I can only conclude that she's the one people are scared will actually succeed in securing Brexit and a thriving UK.
That said, I don't recall why people think she is especially loathsome.0 -
If we're going to screw up the country, let's do it properly. None of this cautious bureaucratic tip-toeing. Dive right in the deep end, I say.Peter_the_Punter said:
Which Nation did you have in mind...Yemen?
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In fact it may still be a very good idea, but what if it cannot be implemented?Luckyguy1983 said:
Who is this 'you' of whom you speak? My case as a voter was that leaving the EU was a good idea. It is still my view that leaving the EU is a good idea, and I have seen nothing to remotely dissuade me.Ishmael_Z said:
"hasn't even happened."Luckyguy1983 said:
I wouldn't call anyone traitorous, I prefer the word treacherous.williamglenn said:
Why is someone who allegedly changed their mind before 2016 sound on Europe, but someone who changed their mind after 2016 is a traitorous Remoaner?Luckyguy1983 said:
Gosh, changing her mind, what a truly foul individual.Benpointer said:
Give her her due, she was very prescient about Brexit back in 2013, stating that: "it would be a disaster for our economy and it would lead to a decade of economic and political uncertainty".kle4 said:
I meant besides that reason. I assume there has to be more of a reason than just the pseudo-pun.Chris said:
Is it a sort of pun on her name - Leadsom?kle4 said:
Just because people dislike soemone does not mean they are scared of them.Luckyguy1983 said:The comments in this thread about Leadsom are ridiculous. She's not remotely loathsome or witchy - she doesn't have a Thatcheresque demeanour, not that it would be reprehensible of she did. I can only conclude that she's the one people are scared will actually succeed in securing Brexit and a thriving UK.
That said, I don't recall why people think she is especially loathsome.
Shame she didn't pay attention to herself.
Regarding people who've gone Remain since the referendum, I wouldn't call them treacherous, I'd call them credulous, skittish and easily demoralised. Not much else you can call people repenting something that hasn't even happened.
Your case three years ago was that you could bring about a good brexit. It transpires that you are too fecking useless to bring about any sort of brexit at all either now or in the foreseeable, and you are presenting that as a point in your favour. I salute your indefatigability.
If you read the Communist Manifesto, you may well come to the conclusion Communism is quite a good idea. Practical results to date have however been a little disappointing.1 -
I seem to remember something about her extolling the virtues of motherhood when she was standing against someone who couldn't have children. A lot of people thought that was pretty loathsome, but it was probably a wicked plot by Remainers.Charles said:
Sure: the reason is it’s insulting, dismissive, conveys contempt and has absolutely no factual basis that can be challenged or counteredkle4 said:
I meant besides that reason. I assume there has to be more of a reason than just the pseudo-pun.Chris said:
Is it a sort of pun on her name - Leadsom?kle4 said:
Just because people dislike soemone does not mean they are scared of them.Luckyguy1983 said:The comments in this thread about Leadsom are ridiculous. She's not remotely loathsome or witchy - she doesn't have a Thatcheresque demeanour, not that it would be reprehensible of she did. I can only conclude that she's the one people are scared will actually succeed in securing Brexit and a thriving UK.
That said, I don't recall why people think she is especially loathsome.0 -
He leaked information from a security council meeting. That makes him extremely untrustworthy.Nigelb said:
It was ridiculous the first time. What’s changed ?MaxPB said:
How can Gavin be allowed back in the cabinet after his exit. It's ridiculous.TheScreamingEagles said:
The expectation is that Boris Johnson will give Gavin Williamson a senior cabinet job as reward for running his leadership campaign.Omnium said:The real horror stories are out of the way. No Baker, no Williamson, and no Davis.
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All this fuss over which Captain will be at the helm as the SS Brexit hits the iceberg .
The Tories psychodrama over Europe is now becoming extremely tiresome . They really need to be removed as they’re a clear and present danger to the UK .
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A pan-Williamson unity government (Gavin and Chris) would have interesting dynamics.Peter_the_Punter said:
Which Nation did you have in mind...Yemen?Andrew said:
I still dream of a govt of national unity, spearheaded by the A-team of Williamson and Grayling.ydoethur said:I thought for a moment you meant Chris Williamson, and I was about to protest that (a) he's not eligible and (b) even the Tories wouldn't elect him right now.
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Willamson's your man then.Andrew said:
If we're going to screw up the country, let's do it properly. None of this cautious bureaucratic tip-toeing. Dive right in the deep end, I say.Peter_the_Punter said:
Which Nation did you have in mind...Yemen?0 -
Birds of a feather?MaxPB said:
He leaked information from a security council meeting. That makes him extremely untrustworthy.Nigelb said:
It was ridiculous the first time. What’s changed ?MaxPB said:
How can Gavin be allowed back in the cabinet after his exit. It's ridiculous.TheScreamingEagles said:
The expectation is that Boris Johnson will give Gavin Williamson a senior cabinet job as reward for running his leadership campaign.Omnium said:The real horror stories are out of the way. No Baker, no Williamson, and no Davis.
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I’m a very, very long way from being a Leadsom fan, but there are far more deserving candidates in this contest for the loathsome appellation.Chris said:
I seem to remember something about her extolling the virtues of motherhood when she was standing against someone who couldn't have children. A lot of people thought that was pretty loathsome, but it was probably a wicked plot by Remainers.Charles said:
Sure: the reason is it’s insulting, dismissive, conveys contempt and has absolutely no factual basis that can be challenged or counteredkle4 said:
I meant besides that reason. I assume there has to be more of a reason than just the pseudo-pun.Chris said:
Is it a sort of pun on her name - Leadsom?kle4 said:
Just because people dislike soemone does not mean they are scared of them.Luckyguy1983 said:The comments in this thread about Leadsom are ridiculous. She's not remotely loathsome or witchy - she doesn't have a Thatcheresque demeanour, not that it would be reprehensible of she did. I can only conclude that she's the one people are scared will actually succeed in securing Brexit and a thriving UK.
That said, I don't recall why people think she is especially loathsome.
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Ten loathsomes don't make a lovely.Nigelb said:
I’m a very, very long way from being a Leadsom fan, but there are far more deserving candidates in this contest for the loathsome appellation.Chris said:
I seem to remember something about her extolling the virtues of motherhood when she was standing against someone who couldn't have children. A lot of people thought that was pretty loathsome, but it was probably a wicked plot by Remainers.Charles said:
Sure: the reason is it’s insulting, dismissive, conveys contempt and has absolutely no factual basis that can be challenged or counteredkle4 said:
I meant besides that reason. I assume there has to be more of a reason than just the pseudo-pun.Chris said:
Is it a sort of pun on her name - Leadsom?kle4 said:
Just because people dislike soemone does not mean they are scared of them.Luckyguy1983 said:The comments in this thread about Leadsom are ridiculous. She's not remotely loathsome or witchy - she doesn't have a Thatcheresque demeanour, not that it would be reprehensible of she did. I can only conclude that she's the one people are scared will actually succeed in securing Brexit and a thriving UK.
That said, I don't recall why people think she is especially loathsome.0 -
When you marry for money you earn every pennyydoethur said:
So tell me, Melania, what first attracted you to this elderly, ugly, misogynistic, and creepy billionaire?Casino_Royale said:
Attraction isn't about looks.Chris said:
Can anyone explain his appeal to the opposite sex?ydoethur said:
I hope not. His hands and face are quite revolting enough without seeing any more of him.rottenborough said:Boris aide has said we will see more of him in next week or so.
We will see.
Biggest enduring myth there is.0 -
To the media - any media even the Spectator - there is no mileage in someone shutting up and saying nothing. People saying stuff is their food, drink and oxygen. If Boris's tactic is sound, and it may be, the media are not going to say so. It's still Boris's to lose.TGOHF said:
BTW, are the bookies underestimating Raab? Hope they are right though. But If Boris blows up he may be the next favourite with the Tory faithful.0 -
I know what I think.Chris said:
I seem to remember something about her extolling the virtues of motherhood when she was standing against someone who couldn't have children. A lot of people thought that was pretty loathsome, but it was probably a wicked plot by Remainers.Charles said:
Sure: the reason is it’s insulting, dismissive, conveys contempt and has absolutely no factual basis that can be challenged or counteredkle4 said:
I meant besides that reason. I assume there has to be more of a reason than just the pseudo-pun.Chris said:
Is it a sort of pun on her name - Leadsom?kle4 said:
Just because people dislike soemone does not mean they are scared of them.Luckyguy1983 said:The comments in this thread about Leadsom are ridiculous. She's not remotely loathsome or witchy - she doesn't have a Thatcheresque demeanour, not that it would be reprehensible of she did. I can only conclude that she's the one people are scared will actually succeed in securing Brexit and a thriving UK.
That said, I don't recall why people think she is especially loathsome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxu624RpEJE0 -
The bonkers odds on Leadsom haven't changed at all. She's still 8.4 compared to 20 for Gove who has hugely more support from MPs.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.1255749630 -
She came across as noxious and incompetent when she ran previously. Gave a good interview on C4 News just now though. Once off the impossible subject of Brexit, she spoke sensibly and calmly.Chris said:
I seem to remember something about her extolling the virtues of motherhood when she was standing against someone who couldn't have children. A lot of people thought that was pretty loathsome, but it was probably a wicked plot by Remainers.Charles said:
Sure: the reason is it’s insulting, dismissive, conveys contempt and has absolutely no factual basis that can be challenged or counteredkle4 said:
I meant besides that reason. I assume there has to be more of a reason than just the pseudo-pun.Chris said:
Is it a sort of pun on her name - Leadsom?kle4 said:
Just because people dislike soemone does not mean they are scared of them.Luckyguy1983 said:The comments in this thread about Leadsom are ridiculous. She's not remotely loathsome or witchy - she doesn't have a Thatcheresque demeanour, not that it would be reprehensible of she did. I can only conclude that she's the one people are scared will actually succeed in securing Brexit and a thriving UK.
That said, I don't recall why people think she is especially loathsome.
Maybe she's learned from that previous run, but I still don't see her making the dance-off.0 -
Speaking from experience, Charles?Charles said:
When you marry for money you earn every pennyydoethur said:
So tell me, Melania, what first attracted you to this elderly, ugly, misogynistic, and creepy billionaire?Casino_Royale said:
Attraction isn't about looks.Chris said:
Can anyone explain his appeal to the opposite sex?ydoethur said:
I hope not. His hands and face are quite revolting enough without seeing any more of him.rottenborough said:Boris aide has said we will see more of him in next week or so.
We will see.
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Leadsom said pretty much the same on C4 this evening.Nigelb said:
I though that quote was Raab:dixiedean said:Leadsom. "I tried cannabis. Since then I have become aware of the terrible effects it can have on ones mental health."
Errrr. Not the best phrasing, Andrea.
Nevertheless, watching her on C4 news, she seems sane, realistic and measured. Certainly in comparison with some others.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/09/high-tories-how-the-leadership-candidates-drug-pasts-compare
Which would make a great deal more sense.0 -
You are truly evil,NickPalmer said:
A pan-Williamson unity government (Gavin and Chris) would have interesting dynamics.Peter_the_Punter said:
Which Nation did you have in mind...Yemen?Andrew said:
I still dream of a govt of national unity, spearheaded by the A-team of Williamson and Grayling.ydoethur said:I thought for a moment you meant Chris Williamson, and I was about to protest that (a) he's not eligible and (b) even the Tories wouldn't elect him right now.
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So they’re all unhinged, then.dixiedean said:
Leadsom said pretty much the same on C4 this evening.Nigelb said:
I though that quote was Raab:dixiedean said:Leadsom. "I tried cannabis. Since then I have become aware of the terrible effects it can have on ones mental health."
Errrr. Not the best phrasing, Andrea.
Nevertheless, watching her on C4 news, she seems sane, realistic and measured. Certainly in comparison with some others.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/09/high-tories-how-the-leadership-candidates-drug-pasts-compare
Which would make a great deal more sense.
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More vintage Esther McVey footage, at 1 min 48 secs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=108&v=bUC6G5xAeek0 -
Thanks for the link!AndyJS said:More vintage Esther McVey footage, at 1 min 48 secs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=108&v=bUC6G5xAeek0 -
For balance, been on Philip Davies and been on Sarah Vine should really have been included.TGOHF said:0 -
It's still going??williamglenn said:0 -
I find that tweet about Diane Abbott to be in pretty poor taste to be honest.0
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The criticism of Crosby also feels misplaced given he just helped Scott Morrison pull off a shock victory in Australia.algarkirk said:
To the media - any media even the Spectator - there is no mileage in someone shutting up and saying nothing. People saying stuff is their food, drink and oxygen. If Boris's tactic is sound, and it may be, the media are not going to say so. It's still Boris's to lose.TGOHF said:
BTW, are the bookies underestimating Raab? Hope they are right though. But If Boris blows up he may be the next favourite with the Tory faithful.0 -
What is the 92 Group and how do you join?williamglenn said:0 -
I find it impossible to take Matt Hancock seriously as a potential PM.0
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The 92 group . Hardly surprising they’re another bunch of right wing nutjobs . The fact Rory got zero votes cements my view that he’s sane and quite a nice guy .williamglenn said:
Je Suis Rory #0 -
A right-wing bloc in the party.Peter_the_Punter said:
What is the 92 Group and how do you join?williamglenn said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/92_Group0
