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  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    Raab really is the John Moore candidate.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502

    What is the 92 Group and how do you join?
    They were formed in the Major years . You have to be a vile scum sucking right wing bigot who wants to nuke the EU to get in .
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    nico67 said:

    The 92 group . Hardly surprising they’re another bunch of right wing nutjobs . The fact Rory got zero votes cements my view that he’s sane and quite a nice guy .

    Je Suis Rory #
    I thought that was the No Turning Back group.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Andrew said:

    ydoethur said:

    I thought for a moment you meant Chris Williamson, and I was about to protest that (a) he's not eligible and (b) even the Tories wouldn't elect him right now.

    I still dream of a govt of national unity, spearheaded by the A-team of Williamson and Grayling.
    Which Nation did you have in mind...Yemen?
    Give them 18 months.....
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    Not sure I have ever seen so many deluded and lying people in one day as the Tory leadership stuff.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,355
    None of the ten is suitable for the job but if I had to list them in order of merit, starting with the least disastrous and working my way down I'd go...:

    Gove
    Hunt
    Stewart
    Hancock
    Leadsome
    Harper
    Javid
    Raab
    McVey
    Johnson

    A PB poll on this would be fun.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318
    Can I just say that passport control at JFK airport is the absolute pits. Awful. A form of purgatory. Over 2 hours to get through.

    US customer service - pah!!!!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,733
    AndyJS said:

    I find it impossible to take Matt Hancock seriously as a potential PM.

    Only him?!?
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,355
    Cyclefree said:

    Can I just say that passport control at JFK airport is the absolute pits. Awful. A form of purgatory. Over 2 hours to get through.

    US customer service - pah!!!!

    Good job you didn't tell them that. You'd still be there.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772

    None of the ten is suitable for the job but if I had to list them in order of merit, starting with the least disastrous and working my way down I'd go...:

    Gove
    Hunt
    Stewart
    Hancock
    Leadsome
    Harper
    Javid
    Raab
    McVey
    Johnson

    A PB poll on this would be fun.

    Stewart
    Hunt
    Hancock
    Gove
    Javid

    Er, that's it...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    Just on the clips attached to the story, unsurprisingly the candidates are talking a lot of vagueness and not much else, but Hancock stands out as not having much gravitas.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    AndyJS said:

    I find it impossible to take Matt Hancock seriously as a potential PM.

    Have you seen some of the others?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited June 2019
    Cyclefree said:

    Can I just say that passport control at JFK airport is the absolute pits. Awful. A form of purgatory. Over 2 hours to get through.

    US customer service - pah!!!!

    I know what you mean. We arrived there a few years ago on a Sunday afternoon and there was a single person on duty to deal with the passengers of about 3 or 4 large planes that had just landed. It took about 30 minutes for anyone else to arrive to help process the passengers through customs. Also, it looked like the place hadn't had any money spent on it for about 30 years.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    edited June 2019
    In reverse order of suitability for the job:

  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,355
    nico67 said:

    What is the 92 Group and how do you join?
    They were formed in the Major years . You have to be a vile scum sucking right wing bigot who wants to nuke the EU to get in .
    So that would be about what percentage of the current Conservative Party membership then?
  • Ally_BAlly_B Posts: 185
    Cyclefree said:

    Can I just say that passport control at JFK airport is the absolute pits. Awful. A form of purgatory. Over 2 hours to get through.
    US customer service - pah!!!!

    Just wait till there's no deal and you'll have another 20+ countries acting like that!
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    FF43 said:

    In reverse order of suitability for the job:

    Is it big enough though?

    I think this is going to be close. It really depends if Boris adds votes from the pack, or if Boris fans already back him. The marginal votes are those who think Boris is the *only* answer, love him or hate him
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772

    AndyJS said:

    More vintage Esther McVey footage, at 1 min 48 secs:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=108&v=bUC6G5xAeek

    Thanks for the link!
    Interesting. She is nowhere near as Scouse as today's accent.

    I wonder why?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Ishmael_Z said:

    kle4 said:

    Chris said:

    kle4 said:

    The comments in this thread about Leadsom are ridiculous. She's not remotely loathsome or witchy - she doesn't have a Thatcheresque demeanour, not that it would be reprehensible of she did. I can only conclude that she's the one people are scared will actually succeed in securing Brexit and a thriving UK.

    Just because people dislike soemone does not mean they are scared of them.

    That said, I don't recall why people think she is especially loathsome.
    Is it a sort of pun on her name - Leadsom?
    I meant besides that reason. I assume there has to be more of a reason than just the pseudo-pun.
    Give her her due, she was very prescient about Brexit back in 2013, stating that: "it would be a disaster for our economy and it would lead to a decade of economic and political uncertainty".

    Shame she didn't pay attention to herself.
    Gosh, changing her mind, what a truly foul individual.
    Why is someone who allegedly changed their mind before 2016 sound on Europe, but someone who changed their mind after 2016 is a traitorous Remoaner?
    I wouldn't call anyone traitorous, I prefer the word treacherous.

    Regarding people who've gone Remain since the referendum, I wouldn't call them treacherous, I'd call them credulous, skittish and easily demoralised. Not much else you can call people repenting something that hasn't even happened.
    "hasn't even happened."

    Your case three years ago was that you could bring about a good brexit. It transpires that you are too fecking useless to bring about any sort of brexit at all either now or in the foreseeable, and you are presenting that as a point in your favour. I salute your indefatigability.
    Who is this 'you' of whom you speak? My case as a voter was that leaving the EU was a good idea. It is still my view that leaving the EU is a good idea, and I have seen nothing to remotely dissuade me.
    In fact it may still be a very good idea, but what if it cannot be implemented?

    If you read the Communist Manifesto, you may well come to the conclusion Communism is quite a good idea. Practical results to date have however been a little disappointing.
    It can be implemented. There are billions of people living outside the EU.

    The idea you think not being in the EU is remotely comparable to Communism just shows how devoid from reality this conversation has gotten.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,355

    None of the ten is suitable for the job but if I had to list them in order of merit, starting with the least disastrous and working my way down I'd go...:

    Gove
    Hunt
    Stewart
    Hancock
    Leadsome
    Harper
    Javid
    Raab
    McVey
    Johnson

    A PB poll on this would be fun.

    Stewart
    Hunt
    Hancock
    Gove
    Javid

    Er, that's it...
    That's cheating. It's not a true List Of Shame unless you complete the whole thing.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502

    nico67 said:

    What is the 92 Group and how do you join?
    They were formed in the Major years . You have to be a vile scum sucking right wing bigot who wants to nuke the EU to get in .
    So that would be about what percentage of the current Conservative Party membership then?
    Probably about 80% at least !
  • glwglw Posts: 9,912
    FF43 said:

    In reverse order of suitability for the job:

    Pretty much. Anyone who thinks Boris should be running the country wants locking up if you ask me.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772

    None of the ten is suitable for the job but if I had to list them in order of merit, starting with the least disastrous and working my way down I'd go...:

    Gove
    Hunt
    Stewart
    Hancock
    Leadsome
    Harper
    Javid
    Raab
    McVey
    Johnson

    A PB poll on this would be fun.

    Stewart
    Hunt
    Hancock
    Gove
    Javid

    Er, that's it...
    That's cheating. It's not a true List Of Shame unless you complete the whole thing.
    Ok:
    Johnson
    Harper*
    Leadsome
    Raab [kill me next week candidate]
    McVey [kill me now candidate]

    * I actually have no idea, despite spending hours on here. Complete blank canvas. Still blank is better than the ones who follow on my list.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208

    None of the ten is suitable for the job but if I had to list them in order of merit, starting with the least disastrous and working my way down I'd go...:

    Gove
    Hunt
    Stewart
    Hancock
    Leadsome
    Harper
    Javid
    Raab
    McVey
    Johnson

    A PB poll on this would be fun.

    1. Stewart

    That's it really.......

    Hancock perhaps. Invisibility has its attractions compared with the all-too-visibility of the other candidates.

    Leadsom if you squint very, very hard.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,355
    glw said:

    FF43 said:

    In reverse order of suitability for the job:

    Pretty much. Anyone who thinks Boris should be running the country wants locking up if you ask me.
    The recent Time Magaine cover was cutting precisely because it was true. We have become an international laughing stock. Boris however can, I am sure, take us beyond ridicule.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    None of the ten is suitable for the job but if I had to list them in order of merit, starting with the least disastrous and working my way down I'd go...:

    A PB poll on this would be fun.

    Gove
    Javid
    Johnson
    Hunt
    Raab
    Leadsom
    McVey
    Stewart
    Hancock
    Harper

    To be fair to Harper he is last just because I can not think who he is.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,355

    None of the ten is suitable for the job but if I had to list them in order of merit, starting with the least disastrous and working my way down I'd go...:

    Gove
    Hunt
    Stewart
    Hancock
    Leadsome
    Harper
    Javid
    Raab
    McVey
    Johnson

    A PB poll on this would be fun.

    Stewart
    Hunt
    Hancock
    Gove
    Javid

    Er, that's it...
    That's cheating. It's not a true List Of Shame unless you complete the whole thing.
    Ok:
    Johnson
    Harper*
    Leadsome
    Raab [kill me next week candidate]
    McVey [kill me now candidate]

    * I actually have no idea, despite spending hours on here. Complete blank canvas. Still blank is better than the ones who follow on my list.
    Yes, that's why I had him mid-division. If he's a blank, he might possibly be not quite as bad as some.
  • brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315
    edited June 2019

    Cyclefree said:

    Can I just say that passport control at JFK airport is the absolute pits. Awful. A form of purgatory. Over 2 hours to get through.

    US customer service - pah!!!!

    Good job you didn't tell them that. You'd still be there.
    Have people tried flying via Dublin or Shannon and using US pre clearance to avoid the queues stateside?
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,067
    As if Brexit wasn't enough of a calamity, we now have the prospect of Boris "full of shit" Johnson becoming PM.

    Jeez - is there no limit to the depths this country can plunge?
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,355
    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    What is the 92 Group and how do you join?
    They were formed in the Major years . You have to be a vile scum sucking right wing bigot who wants to nuke the EU to get in .
    So that would be about what percentage of the current Conservative Party membership then?
    Probably about 80% at least !
    And these are the people picking the next Prime Minister to represent the whole country?

    I see.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    nico67 said:

    All this fuss over which Captain will be at the helm as the SS Brexit hits the iceberg .

    The Tories psychodrama over Europe is now becoming extremely tiresome . They really need to be removed as they’re a clear and present danger to the UK .

    There is one massive difference.

    Some of them believe we have absolutely no need of lifeboats.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Terrible news about Leadsom. I was hoping to be counting my winnings today.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,355
    brendan16 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Can I just say that passport control at JFK airport is the absolute pits. Awful. A form of purgatory. Over 2 hours to get through.

    US customer service - pah!!!!

    Good job you didn't tell them that. You'd still be there.
    Ever thought of flying via Dublin or Shannon and using US pre clearance?
    Good idea, Brendan. An even better one would be to stay in Dublin or Shannon on the way back and sit out all this Brexit madness until it is all over.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited June 2019

    glw said:

    FF43 said:

    In reverse order of suitability for the job:

    Pretty much. Anyone who thinks Boris should be running the country wants locking up if you ask me.
    The recent Time Magaine cover was cutting precisely because it was true. We have become an international laughing stock. Boris however can, I am sure, take us beyond ridicule.
    Its only a laughing stock to arrogant and small-minded individuals who think that Brexit is moronic and can't look past their nose. Other countries have had to face far greater sacrifices to ensure their country was independent than any trials or tribulations Britain will face.

    If you wouldn't laugh at George Washington or Gandhi there's no need to laugh at Britain or Johnson.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,912

    nico67 said:

    All this fuss over which Captain will be at the helm as the SS Brexit hits the iceberg .

    The Tories psychodrama over Europe is now becoming extremely tiresome . They really need to be removed as they’re a clear and present danger to the UK .

    There is one massive difference.

    Some of them believe we have absolutely no need of lifeboats.
    Some of them think we shouldn't even try to avoid the iceberg, but instead sail at full speed towards it, without raising any alarm.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    nico67 said:

    What is the 92 Group and how do you join?
    They were formed in the Major years . You have to be a vile scum sucking right wing bigot who wants to nuke the EU to get in .
    Ah - obviously full of Arbeit Macht Freiers!
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,067

    glw said:

    FF43 said:

    In reverse order of suitability for the job:

    Pretty much. Anyone who thinks Boris should be running the country wants locking up if you ask me.
    The recent Time Magaine cover was cutting precisely because it was true. We have become an international laughing stock. Boris however can, I am sure, take us beyond ridicule.
    Its only a laughing stock to arrogant and small-minded individuals who think that Brexit is moronic and can't look past their nose. Other countries have had to face far greater sacrifices to ensure their country was independent than any trials or tribulations Britain will face.

    If you wouldn't laugh at George Washington or Gandhi there's no need to laugh at Britain or Johnson.
    LOL! What the f*ck was that?

    Gone away for a few weeks and can see the right-wing fruitcakes have got slightly more unhinged (however impossible it may seem).
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Not sure how Jezza is going to get through Lab conference with his fence sitting.

    It is going to be a bloodbath. And even Len might not be able to massage and fudge this one away.

    MOMENTUM have control of the Conference. They decide what is and isn't debated and Brexit is off the table.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,627
    edited June 2019
    brendan16 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Can I just say that passport control at JFK airport is the absolute pits. Awful. A form of purgatory. Over 2 hours to get through.

    US customer service - pah!!!!

    Good job you didn't tell them that. You'd still be there.
    Have people tried flying via Dublin or Shannon and using US pre clearance to avoid the queues stateside?
    Not myself, but have heard nothing but good reports from friends and colleagues who have used it for business trips and family holidays.

    The BA flight London City > Shannon > JFK is particularly notable, but only if someone else is paying.

    At some point the US is going to realise they’re losing a lot of visitors because of the whole airport ‘experience’.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    Alistair said:

    Not sure how Jezza is going to get through Lab conference with his fence sitting.

    It is going to be a bloodbath. And even Len might not be able to massage and fudge this one away.

    MOMENTUM have control of the Conference. They decide what is and isn't debated and Brexit is off the table.
    Is it? Momentum are not all Brexit lovers.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    glw said:

    nico67 said:

    All this fuss over which Captain will be at the helm as the SS Brexit hits the iceberg .

    The Tories psychodrama over Europe is now becoming extremely tiresome . They really need to be removed as they’re a clear and present danger to the UK .

    There is one massive difference.

    Some of them believe we have absolutely no need of lifeboats.
    Some of them think we shouldn't even try to avoid the iceberg, but instead sail at full speed towards it, without raising any alarm.
    If you believe in the boat enough the iceberg will crumble before its might.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,733

    None of the ten is suitable for the job but if I had to list them in order of merit, starting with the least disastrous and working my way down I'd go...:

    Gove
    Hunt
    Stewart
    Hancock
    Leadsome
    Harper
    Javid
    Raab
    McVey
    Johnson

    A PB poll on this would be fun.

    Stewart
    Hunt
    Javid
    Hancock
    Gove
    Harper
    Leadsom
    Johnson
    Raab
    McVey

    Though frankly this shitshow makes nostalgia for Theresa May seem sensible!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208

    None of the ten is suitable for the job but if I had to list them in order of merit, starting with the least disastrous and working my way down I'd go...:

    Gove
    Hunt
    Stewart
    Hancock
    Leadsome
    Harper
    Javid
    Raab
    McVey
    Johnson

    A PB poll on this would be fun.

    Stewart
    Hunt
    Hancock
    Gove
    Javid

    Er, that's it...
    That's cheating. It's not a true List Of Shame unless you complete the whole thing.
    Grim but I suppose we need to face up to it:

    SENSIBLE:
    Stewart

    WILD CARDS:
    Hancock
    Leadsom

    DIRE BUT PLAUSIBLE:
    Hunt
    Javid

    NO IDEA:
    Harper

    CHARLATAN:
    Johnson

    NOW ONTO THE TRULY GRIM,:
    McVey

    NASTY PIECE OF WORK WHO HAS NOTHING GOING FOR HIM, NOT EVEN JOHNSON'S "PLUS" POINTS:
    Dominic Raab
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Tobias Ellwood and David Lidington have endorsed Matt Hancock but Wiikipedia hasn't been updated with the information for some reason.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    Leadsom is the 'what if all the Brexiteer blokes f**k up candidate' e.g. drugs, strippers, money laundering etc etc.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,355
    edited June 2019
    glw said:

    nico67 said:

    All this fuss over which Captain will be at the helm as the SS Brexit hits the iceberg .

    The Tories psychodrama over Europe is now becoming extremely tiresome . They really need to be removed as they’re a clear and present danger to the UK .

    There is one massive difference.

    Some of them believe we have absolutely no need of lifeboats.
    Some of them think we shouldn't even try to avoid the iceberg, but instead sail at full speed towards it, without raising any alarm.
    No, no, the iceberg isn't a threat. In fact, it is much more afraid of a collision than us and will move out the way if we just stay on course. And even if there is a collison we will come out fitter and stronger afterwards. We are British (well, English anyway...not sure we have the others on side still) and a proud sovereign people who cannot be cowed by foreign ice mountains.
  • StreeterStreeter Posts: 684
    AndyJS said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Can I just say that passport control at JFK airport is the absolute pits. Awful. A form of purgatory. Over 2 hours to get through.

    US customer service - pah!!!!

    I know what you mean. We arrived there a few years ago on a Sunday afternoon and there was a single person on duty to deal with the passengers of about 3 or 4 large planes that had just landed. It took about 30 minutes for anyone else to arrive to help process the passengers through customs. Also, it looked like the place hadn't had any money spent on it for about 30 years.
    Low taxes. Trickle down economics for the win.
  • StreeterStreeter Posts: 684
    brendan16 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Can I just say that passport control at JFK airport is the absolute pits. Awful. A form of purgatory. Over 2 hours to get through.

    US customer service - pah!!!!

    Good job you didn't tell them that. You'd still be there.
    Have people tried flying via Dublin or Shannon and using US pre clearance to avoid the queues stateside?

    Yes. Works a treat.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,733
    Sandpit said:

    brendan16 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Can I just say that passport control at JFK airport is the absolute pits. Awful. A form of purgatory. Over 2 hours to get through.

    US customer service - pah!!!!

    Good job you didn't tell them that. You'd still be there.
    Have people tried flying via Dublin or Shannon and using US pre clearance to avoid the queues stateside?
    Not myself, but have heard nothing but good reports from friends and colleagues who have used it for business trips and family holidays.

    The BA flight London City > Shannon > JFK is particularly notable, but only if someone else is paying.

    At some point the US is going to realise they’re losing a lot of visitors because of the whole airport ‘experience’.
    I have decided not to visit the USA under this president. My money, my choice.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    No, no, the iceberg isn't a threat. In fact, it is much more afraid of a collision than us and will move out the way if we just stay on course. And even if there is a collison we will come out fitter and stronger afterwards. We are British (well, English anyway...not sure we have the others on side still) and a proud sovereign people who cannot be cowed by foreign ice mountains.

    BoZo's plan for the iceberg is to offer more places in the lifeboats to the 1st Class passengers...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163

    glw said:

    nico67 said:

    All this fuss over which Captain will be at the helm as the SS Brexit hits the iceberg .

    The Tories psychodrama over Europe is now becoming extremely tiresome . They really need to be removed as they’re a clear and present danger to the UK .

    There is one massive difference.

    Some of them believe we have absolutely no need of lifeboats.
    Some of them think we shouldn't even try to avoid the iceberg, but instead sail at full speed towards it, without raising any alarm.
    No, no, the iceberg isn't a threat. In fact, it is much more afraid of a collision than us and will move out the way if we are just stay on course. And even if there is a collison we will come out fitter and stronger afterwards. We are British (well, English anyway...not sure we have the others on side still) and a proud sovereign people who cannot be cowed by foreign ice mountains.
    I hear 9/10 of the Iceberg is out of sight, below the surface - it's just how these things work, hiding their true nature from you until it is too late.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217

    None of the ten is suitable for the job but if I had to list them in order of merit, starting with the least disastrous and working my way down I'd go...:

    A PB poll on this would be fun.

    Gove
    Javid
    Johnson
    Hunt
    Raab
    Leadsom
    McVey
    Stewart
    Hancock
    Harper

    To be fair to Harper he is last just because I can not think who he is.
    On personal choice completely outwith my book:

    Stewart
    Hunt
    Javid
    Gove
    Raab
    Leadsom
    Hancock
    Harper
    Johnson
    Mcvey
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    kle4 said:

    I hear 9/10 of the Iceberg is out of sight, below the surface - it's just how these things work, hiding their true nature from you until it is too late.

    So the hole the iceberg made in the side of the ship, should have been even bigger!
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,355
    Pulpstar said:
    They're MPs?! I thought we were talking care-home residents.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    kle4 said:

    glw said:

    nico67 said:

    All this fuss over which Captain will be at the helm as the SS Brexit hits the iceberg .

    The Tories psychodrama over Europe is now becoming extremely tiresome . They really need to be removed as they’re a clear and present danger to the UK .

    There is one massive difference.

    Some of them believe we have absolutely no need of lifeboats.
    Some of them think we shouldn't even try to avoid the iceberg, but instead sail at full speed towards it, without raising any alarm.
    No, no, the iceberg isn't a threat. In fact, it is much more afraid of a collision than us and will move out the way if we are just stay on course. And even if there is a collison we will come out fitter and stronger afterwards. We are British (well, English anyway...not sure we have the others on side still) and a proud sovereign people who cannot be cowed by foreign ice mountains.
    I hear 9/10 of the Iceberg is out of sight, below the surface - it's just how these things work, hiding their true nature from you until it is too late.
    :lol:
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    brendan16 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Can I just say that passport control at JFK airport is the absolute pits. Awful. A form of purgatory. Over 2 hours to get through.

    US customer service - pah!!!!

    Good job you didn't tell them that. You'd still be there.
    Have people tried flying via Dublin or Shannon and using US pre clearance to avoid the queues stateside?
    Not myself, but have heard nothing but good reports from friends and colleagues who have used it for business trips and family holidays.

    The BA flight London City > Shannon > JFK is particularly notable, but only if someone else is paying.

    At some point the US is going to realise they’re losing a lot of visitors because of the whole airport ‘experience’.
    I have decided not to visit the USA under this president. My money, my choice.
    I don't like the social media disclosure that's apparently a thing.
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    Sandpit said:

    brendan16 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Can I just say that passport control at JFK airport is the absolute pits. Awful. A form of purgatory. Over 2 hours to get through.

    US customer service - pah!!!!

    Good job you didn't tell them that. You'd still be there.
    Have people tried flying via Dublin or Shannon and using US pre clearance to avoid the queues stateside?
    Not myself, but have heard nothing but good reports from friends and colleagues who have used it for business trips and family holidays.

    The BA flight London City > Shannon > JFK is particularly notable, but only if someone else is paying.

    At some point the US is going to realise they’re losing a lot of visitors because of the whole airport ‘experience’.
    DHS would like to get pre-clearance in at a lot more overseas airports. MAN is interested and CBP really want to get in at LHR but that will probably have to wait until the second runway and T6 as there's nowhere for them to go right now.

    But yeah, pre-clearance is great. The CBP officers tend to be more professional (I chatted to one at DUB once and he told me it's a prestige posting that they compete for and you need some seniority to get it) and you arrive in the US as a domestic flight. The only "downside" is you can't buy duty-free on the plane.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    kle4 said:

    glw said:

    nico67 said:

    All this fuss over which Captain will be at the helm as the SS Brexit hits the iceberg .

    The Tories psychodrama over Europe is now becoming extremely tiresome . They really need to be removed as they’re a clear and present danger to the UK .

    There is one massive difference.

    Some of them believe we have absolutely no need of lifeboats.
    Some of them think we shouldn't even try to avoid the iceberg, but instead sail at full speed towards it, without raising any alarm.
    No, no, the iceberg isn't a threat. In fact, it is much more afraid of a collision than us and will move out the way if we are just stay on course. And even if there is a collison we will come out fitter and stronger afterwards. We are British (well, English anyway...not sure we have the others on side still) and a proud sovereign people who cannot be cowed by foreign ice mountains.
    I hear 9/10 of the Iceberg is out of sight, below the surface - it's just how these things work, hiding their true nature from you until it is too late.
    The fact that there are icebergs causing trouble on the high seas is yet another example of Brussels and its crazy interventionist regulatory directives.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,355
    edited June 2019
    Pulpstar said:

    None of the ten is suitable for the job but if I had to list them in order of merit, starting with the least disastrous and working my way down I'd go...:

    A PB poll on this would be fun.

    Gove
    Javid
    Johnson
    Hunt
    Raab
    Leadsom
    McVey
    Stewart
    Hancock
    Harper

    To be fair to Harper he is last just because I can not think who he is.
    On personal choice completely outwith my book:

    Stewart
    Hunt
    Javid
    Gove
    Raab
    Leadsom
    Hancock
    Harper
    Johnson
    Mcvey
    Stewart would be first choice of most sensibe people, but he would be a disaster for the same reason Kenneth Clarke would have been a disaster as Tory Leader. He's in the wrong Party.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    brendan16 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Can I just say that passport control at JFK airport is the absolute pits. Awful. A form of purgatory. Over 2 hours to get through.

    US customer service - pah!!!!

    Good job you didn't tell them that. You'd still be there.
    Have people tried flying via Dublin or Shannon and using US pre clearance to avoid the queues stateside?
    Not myself, but have heard nothing but good reports from friends and colleagues who have used it for business trips and family holidays.

    The BA flight London City > Shannon > JFK is particularly notable, but only if someone else is paying.

    At some point the US is going to realise they’re losing a lot of visitors because of the whole airport ‘experience’.
    I have decided not to visit the USA under this president. My money, my choice.
    Gove is thinking along the same lines now.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,912

    glw said:

    nico67 said:

    All this fuss over which Captain will be at the helm as the SS Brexit hits the iceberg .

    The Tories psychodrama over Europe is now becoming extremely tiresome . They really need to be removed as they’re a clear and present danger to the UK .

    There is one massive difference.

    Some of them believe we have absolutely no need of lifeboats.
    Some of them think we shouldn't even try to avoid the iceberg, but instead sail at full speed towards it, without raising any alarm.
    No, no, the iceberg isn't a threat. In fact, it is much more afraid of a collision than us and will move out the way if we just stay on course. And even if there is a collison we will come out fitter and stronger afterwards. We are British (well, English anyway...not sure we have the others on side still) and a proud sovereign people who cannot be cowed by foreign ice mountains.
    They (because it applies to most of them) are simply deluded if they think the EU is about to make some substantial concession, that Parliament will rally behind a minority govnerment trying to push Hard Brexit through, and that No Deal* is even an option.

    It's genuinely disturbing to see people who could be PM in a few weeks time talking such utter bollocks about Brexit, and other things to.

    * There's really no such thing if you want to do any trade, it's not No Deal versus a Deal, it's really lots of piecemeal Deals versus a comprehensive Deal.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Alistair said:

    Not sure how Jezza is going to get through Lab conference with his fence sitting.

    It is going to be a bloodbath. And even Len might not be able to massage and fudge this one away.

    MOMENTUM have control of the Conference. They decide what is and isn't debated and Brexit is off the table.
    Is it? Momentum are not all Brexit lovers.
    They blocked the debate in 2017.
  • Harris_TweedHarris_Tweed Posts: 1,337

    glw said:

    nico67 said:

    All this fuss over which Captain will be at the helm as the SS Brexit hits the iceberg .

    The Tories psychodrama over Europe is now becoming extremely tiresome . They really need to be removed as they’re a clear and present danger to the UK .

    There is one massive difference.

    Some of them believe we have absolutely no need of lifeboats.
    Some of them think we shouldn't even try to avoid the iceberg, but instead sail at full speed towards it, without raising any alarm.
    No, no, the iceberg isn't a threat. In fact, it is much more afraid of a collision than us and will move out the way if we just stay on course. And even if there is a collison we will come out fitter and stronger afterwards. We are British (well, English anyway...not sure we have the others on side still) and a proud sovereign people who cannot be cowed by foreign ice mountains.
    https://www.navy.mil/navydata/questions/litehuse.html :smiley:
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,617
    Cyclefree said:

    Can I just say that passport control at JFK airport is the absolute pits. Awful. A form of purgatory. Over 2 hours to get through.

    US customer service - pah!!!!

    Try doing US passport control having been to Pakistan the week before!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,238

    What is the 92 Group and how do you join?
    You have precisely to hit the IQ measurement ?

  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,355
    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    Not sure how Jezza is going to get through Lab conference with his fence sitting.

    It is going to be a bloodbath. And even Len might not be able to massage and fudge this one away.

    MOMENTUM have control of the Conference. They decide what is and isn't debated and Brexit is off the table.
    Is it? Momentum are not all Brexit lovers.
    They blocked the debate in 2017.
    Yeah, but they read the polls as much as the rest of us.
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    I have just read the Daily Mail article about Michael Gove being one of five in a bed.

    Looking through the details of men and women involved was very interesting.

    However, no sexual activity was deemed to occur and Cocaine was not involved.

    Gove is a dark horse!
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited June 2019
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,355
    glw said:

    glw said:

    nico67 said:

    All this fuss over which Captain will be at the helm as the SS Brexit hits the iceberg .

    The Tories psychodrama over Europe is now becoming extremely tiresome . They really need to be removed as they’re a clear and present danger to the UK .

    There is one massive difference.

    Some of them believe we have absolutely no need of lifeboats.
    Some of them think we shouldn't even try to avoid the iceberg, but instead sail at full speed towards it, without raising any alarm.
    No, no, the iceberg isn't a threat. In fact, it is much more afraid of a collision than us and will move out the way if we just stay on course. And even if there is a collison we will come out fitter and stronger afterwards. We are British (well, English anyway...not sure we have the others on side still) and a proud sovereign people who cannot be cowed by foreign ice mountains.
    They (because it applies to most of them) are simply deluded if they think the EU is about to make some substantial concession, that Parliament will rally behind a minority govnerment trying to push Hard Brexit through, and that No Deal* is even an option.

    It's genuinely disturbing to see people who could be PM in a few weeks time talking such utter bollocks about Brexit, and other things to.

    * There's really no such thing if you want to do any trade, it's not No Deal versus a Deal, it's really lots of piecemeal Deals versus a comprehensive Deal.
    How can they talk anything but bollox about Brexit? Brexit is bollox.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    Pulpstar said:

    None of the ten is suitable for the job but if I had to list them in order of merit, starting with the least disastrous and working my way down I'd go...:

    A PB poll on this would be fun.

    Gove
    Javid
    Johnson
    Hunt
    Raab
    Leadsom
    McVey
    Stewart
    Hancock
    Harper

    To be fair to Harper he is last just because I can not think who he is.
    On personal choice completely outwith my book:

    Stewart
    Hunt
    Javid
    Gove
    Raab
    Leadsom
    Hancock
    Harper
    Johnson
    Mcvey
    My personal choice Stewart
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,414

    None of the ten is suitable for the job but if I had to list them in order of merit, starting with the least disastrous and working my way down I'd go...:

    Gove
    Hunt
    Stewart
    Hancock
    Leadsome
    Harper
    Javid
    Raab
    McVey
    Johnson

    A PB poll on this would be fun.

    Stewart
    Hunt
    Hancock
    Gove
    Javid

    Er, that's it...
    That's cheating. It's not a true List Of Shame unless you complete the whole thing.
    Ok:
    Johnson
    Harper*
    Leadsome
    Raab [kill me next week candidate]
    McVey [kill me now candidate]

    * I actually have no idea, despite spending hours on here. Complete blank canvas. Still blank is better than the ones who follow on my list.
    Harper on Newsnight right now. Frankly, the first time I can recall seeing him. Able to speak in sentences and not obviously deranged.
    Increase UC payments, tax cuts for low paid and spend more on education.
    No chance therefore.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    Scott_P said:
    Yep. Totally crap performance. At least we know who is out first.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,238
    AndyJS said:
    Not this voter.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    FF43 said:


    Grim but I suppose we need to face up to it:

    SENSIBLE:
    Stewart

    WILD CARDS:
    Hancock
    Leadsom

    DIRE BUT PLAUSIBLE:
    Hunt
    Javid

    NO IDEA:
    Harper

    CHARLATAN:
    Johnson

    NOW ONTO THE TRULY GRIM,:
    McVey

    NASTY PIECE OF WORK WHO HAS NOTHING GOING FOR HIM, NOT EVEN JOHNSON'S "PLUS" POINTS:
    Dominic Raab

    Forgot Gove. Neck and neck with his nemesis Johnson. Disagreeable hypocrite versus charmless charlatan, the charlatan wins.
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    edited June 2019
    AndyJS said:

    Guido: IDS backs Boris.

    Bone head backs bird brain shock!

    I am surprised at IDS, maybe he has one eye on who will help him keep his seat as it is within the win zone for Labour.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    dixiedean said:

    None of the ten is suitable for the job but if I had to list them in order of merit, starting with the least disastrous and working my way down I'd go...:

    Gove
    Hunt
    Stewart
    Hancock
    Leadsome
    Harper
    Javid
    Raab
    McVey
    Johnson

    A PB poll on this would be fun.

    Stewart
    Hunt
    Hancock
    Gove
    Javid

    Er, that's it...
    That's cheating. It's not a true List Of Shame unless you complete the whole thing.
    Ok:
    Johnson
    Harper*
    Leadsome
    Raab [kill me next week candidate]
    McVey [kill me now candidate]

    * I actually have no idea, despite spending hours on here. Complete blank canvas. Still blank is better than the ones who follow on my list.
    Harper on Newsnight right now. Frankly, the first time I can recall seeing him. Able to speak in sentences and not obviously deranged.
    Increase UC payments, tax cuts for low paid and spend more on education.
    No chance therefore.
    Sounds and looks utterly out of his depth. Junior Cabinet - yeh maybe. Spare us these people.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    Not sure how Jezza is going to get through Lab conference with his fence sitting.

    It is going to be a bloodbath. And even Len might not be able to massage and fudge this one away.

    MOMENTUM have control of the Conference. They decide what is and isn't debated and Brexit is off the table.
    Is it? Momentum are not all Brexit lovers.
    They blocked the debate in 2017.
    That is a very long time ago.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,414

    dixiedean said:

    None of the ten is suitable for the job but if I had to list them in order of merit, starting with the least disastrous and working my way down I'd go...:

    Gove
    Hunt
    Stewart
    Hancock
    Leadsome
    Harper
    Javid
    Raab
    McVey
    Johnson

    A PB poll on this would be fun.

    Stewart
    Hunt
    Hancock
    Gove
    Javid

    Er, that's it...
    That's cheating. It's not a true List Of Shame unless you complete the whole thing.
    Ok:
    Johnson
    Harper*
    Leadsome
    Raab [kill me next week candidate]
    McVey [kill me now candidate]

    * I actually have no idea, despite spending hours on here. Complete blank canvas. Still blank is better than the ones who follow on my list.
    Harper on Newsnight right now. Frankly, the first time I can recall seeing him. Able to speak in sentences and not obviously deranged.
    Increase UC payments, tax cuts for low paid and spend more on education.
    No chance therefore.
    Sounds and looks utterly out of his depth. Junior Cabinet - yeh maybe. Spare us these people.
    The question arises. Who are the 8 MPs who look at him and think...Prime Minister?
    Probably those who've had a look at the other 9 mind.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    nico67 said:

    What is the 92 Group and how do you join?
    They were formed in the Major years . You have to be a vile scum sucking right wing bigot who wants to nuke the EU to get in .
    The 92 Group was actually formed in 1964 "to keep the Conservative Party conservative" and was a key supporter of Margaret Thatcher during her premiership. It was a focus of Thatcherite dissent with Major and it endorsed John Redwood in 1995. Prominent members have included Sir George Gardiner, Norman Tebbit, Edward Leigh, John Townend and Gerald Howarth. Membership is by invitation only

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/92_Group
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Dear god, they've fallen for the bus trick.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    Pulpstar said:

    None of the ten is suitable for the job but if I had to list them in order of merit, starting with the least disastrous and working my way down I'd go...:

    A PB poll on this would be fun.

    Gove
    Javid
    Johnson
    Hunt
    Raab
    Leadsom
    McVey
    Stewart
    Hancock
    Harper

    To be fair to Harper he is last just because I can not think who he is.
    On personal choice completely outwith my book:

    Stewart
    Hunt
    Javid
    Gove
    Raab
    Leadsom
    Hancock
    Harper
    Johnson
    Mcvey
    Mine are:


    Johnson
    Stewart
    Javid
    McVey
    Hancock
    Gove
    Leadsom
    Raab
    Hunt
    Harper

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    Alistair said:

    Dear god, they've fallen for the bus trick.
    The hair is getting unruly again though.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156

    Scott_P said:
    Yep. Totally crap performance. At least we know who is out first.
    On current declarations it will be Leadsom out first, she is not getting even 10% of the MPs who backed her in 2016, just 2 are supporting her at the moment
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,065
    glw said:

    glw said:

    nico67 said:

    All this fuss over which Captain will be at the helm as the SS Brexit hits the iceberg .

    The Tories psychodrama over Europe is now becoming extremely tiresome . They really need to be removed as they’re a clear and present danger to the UK .

    There is one massive difference.

    Some of them believe we have absolutely no need of lifeboats.
    Some of them think we shouldn't even try to avoid the iceberg, but instead sail at full speed towards it, without raising any alarm.
    No, no, the iceberg isn't a threat. In fact, it is much more afraid of a collision than us and will move out the way if we just stay on course. And even if there is a collison we will come out fitter and stronger afterwards. We are British (well, English anyway...not sure we have the others on side still) and a proud sovereign people who cannot be cowed by foreign ice mountains.
    They (because it applies to most of them) are simply deluded if they think the EU is about to make some substantial concession, that Parliament will rally behind a minority govnerment trying to push Hard Brexit through, and that No Deal* is even an option.

    It's genuinely disturbing to see people who could be PM in a few weeks time talking such utter bollocks about Brexit, and other things to.

    * There's really no such thing if you want to do any trade, it's not No Deal versus a Deal, it's really lots of piecemeal Deals versus a comprehensive Deal.
    No deal means leaving before any deal has been agreed, resulting in completely dire consequences for Non-UK, EU citizens in the UK and for UK citizens in other EU countries.
  • Harris_TweedHarris_Tweed Posts: 1,337
    Boris keeping his trap shut isn’t a bad strategy. He’s in front already and seemingly incapable of opening it without inserting at least half his natural allocation of feet.

    Those behind him in the race need to use whatever ‘messaging’ they can to sell a vision and counteract their negative attributes.

    So, inexplicably, Matt Hancock, who seems a bit of a lightweight, does a video of himself playing waste-basket cricket at the DoH? Rory’s found a decent mix of ‘slightly earnest theorist’ and at least trying to engage the GB public with his slightly earnest theories.

    Hunt looks professional and, among Tories, probably has a reputation for safety. But his efforts to counteract “continuity May” accusations fall down on the fact no-one believes his plan to Act Tough and Renegotiate The Deal.

    Most of the rest of them are still looking up “messaging” in the Malcolm Tucker playbook.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    Telegraph: "Which Tory leader hopeful’s tax plan will leave you best off?"

    Somebody should tell them that none of these plans will ever see the light of day.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772

    Boris keeping his trap shut isn’t a bad strategy. He’s in front already and seemingly incapable of opening it without inserting at least half his natural allocation of feet.

    Those behind him in the race need to use whatever ‘messaging’ they can to sell a vision and counteract their negative attributes.

    So, inexplicably, Matt Hancock, who seems a bit of a lightweight, does a video of himself playing waste-basket cricket at the DoH? Rory’s found a decent mix of ‘slightly earnest theorist’ and at least trying to engage the GB public with his slightly earnest theories.

    Hunt looks professional and, among Tories, probably has a reputation for safety. But his efforts to counteract “continuity May” accusations fall down on the fact no-one believes his plan to Act Tough and Renegotiate The Deal.

    Most of the rest of them are still looking up “messaging” in the Malcolm Tucker playbook.

    I’ve got a to-do list that’s longer than a fucking Leonard Cohen song!
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,355
    Well, it's been a larf poking fun at the Tory Party circus tonite but bedtime now. Who knows what jollity tomorrow will bring though.

    Nite all, especially all you card-carrying Party Loyalists with a vote in the big event. Sleep well.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    According to Newsnight, only 30% of Tory members today are women, which is a reversal of the previous situation a few decades ago.
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