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As shown in the next tweetisam said:
Might make him look like the outsider that the Big Bad Establishment want to silence... money couldn’t buy itScott_P said:
https://twitter.com/JamesCrisp6/status/11359031224030699520 -
@kinabalukinabalu said:
Two wrongs don't make a right. Not in my book.RobD said:Much like how Corbyn should respect the position of POTUS? Or was he too busy on his allotment to go to the banquet?
And this was more appropriate than a fancy dinner. Could have been a serious exchange of views.
Chance for Trump to learn something. Maybe that's why he flunked it.
Today is the 30th anniversary of Tiananmen Square.
Corbyn was perfectly OK with attending the state banquet when the Chinese premier visited in 2015.0 -
"Now we live in rather interesting times and it is possible, I’ve asked for odds to be put up on Chuka Umunna, Sarah Wollaston, and Heidi Allen to be added to the list to succeed Sir Vince Cable, the latter two have always seemed to me to be closer to the Lib Dems than the Conservative Party long before they defected to Change UK."
This is just complete fantasy.0 -
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I wonder if crafty old Theresa intended this all along when she arranged Donald's visit. Boris will now have to choose between delivering Brexit or keeping the NHS.nico67 said:
Exactly . The NHS is a red line even for Leavers .Stark_Dawning said:
Has Donald just killed Brexit stone dead? The US-UK trade deal was the last rusty nail for the Leavers to hang their coat on. Donald has just toxified it.nico67 said:Big moment . Trump admits the NHS is on the table in any trade deal.
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The American drug companies hate the NHS because their buying power drives down prices unlike in the states where thousands of entities have no bargaining power so the drug companies charge what they like.brendan16 said:
And British companies can do the same in return - or no deal?TGOHF said:
You mean - the NHS might start using American drugs and American equipment ?nico67 said:Big moment . Trump admits the NHS is on the table in any trade deal.
Oh dear !
OMG !
As long as the NHS remains free at the point of use I don't really care how its run ultimately - private companies have always supported the NHS and invented drugs used in the NHS. Outcomes should be what matters - not inputs.0 -
What parts of the NHS are you worried about ?nico67 said:
Exactly . The NHS is a red line even for Leavers .Stark_Dawning said:
Has Donald just killed Brexit stone dead? The US-UK trade deal was the last rusty nail for the Leavers to hang their coat on. Donald has just toxified it.nico67 said:Big moment . Trump admits the NHS is on the table in any trade deal.
Oh dear !
Coca Cola in the canteen ?
Apple Ipads for doctors ?
Come on - what USA input would ruin it for you ?
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Could there be a legal challenge to that? Surely MPs are not obliged to declare their voting intentions at all. I do not recall long lists of MPs supporting particular candidates in the Leadership elections of 1975 and 1990 - indeed when Anthony Meyer challenged Thatcher in 1989 his sponsors remained anonymous.Scott_P said:0 -
The position was always that they would not be doing the pomp but would be happy with a meeting.Brom said:That's pretty funny that Corbyn got snubbed though. For all the Labour pontificating turns out they actually wanted to meet Trump.
Suspect they are pleased enough that it won't happen though.
Would hardly have been a pleasant experience for Jez.0 -
As Guido's list currently stands, that first requirement immediately whittles the list down to six - BoJo, Gove, Hunt, Raab, Javid, Mancock*.oxfordsimon said:
Whilst I can understand why they are doing this, I am never keen on changing the rules part-way through a process. I know it hasn't officially started - but effectively it has.Scott_P said:
I would have just moved from 2 votes per week to at least 3 if not 4.
(* I hope this to gain some currency given the recent trend for combining first and surnames into one handy word)0 -
So you are saying the NHS already buys drugs from the USA ?nichomar said:
The American drug companies hate the NHS because their buying power drives down prices unlike in the states where thousands of entities have no bargaining power so the drug companies charge what they like.brendan16 said:
And British companies can do the same in return - or no deal?TGOHF said:
You mean - the NHS might start using American drugs and American equipment ?nico67 said:Big moment . Trump admits the NHS is on the table in any trade deal.
Oh dear !
OMG !
As long as the NHS remains free at the point of use I don't really care how its run ultimately - private companies have always supported the NHS and invented drugs used in the NHS. Outcomes should be what matters - not inputs.
Good god - we can't let that happen..
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Voting intentions no, but nominations - which these effectively are - are usually public? It's just you need more of them.justin124 said:
Could there be a legal challenge to that? Surely MPs are not obliged to declare their voting intentions at all. I do not recall long list of MPs supporting particular candidates in the Leadership elections of 1975 and 1990 - indeed when Anthony Meyer challenged Thatcher in 1989 his sponsors remained anonymous.Scott_P said:0 -
Funny kind of outsider, being given a house in Chelsea and being driven around by a chauffeur.isam said:Might make him look like the outsider that the Big Bad Establishment want to silence... money couldn’t buy it
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I think the issue is that this narrative is just massively politically toxic.....even private investment in the NHS gets panned; let alone private investment from a Trump US administrationTGOHF said:0 -
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To be honest no one out side those 6 has any hope.Harris_Tweed said:
As Guido's list currently stands, that first requirement immediately whittles the list down to six - BoJo, Gove, Hunt, Raab, Javid, Mancock*.oxfordsimon said:
Whilst I can understand why they are doing this, I am never keen on changing the rules part-way through a process. I know it hasn't officially started - but effectively it has.Scott_P said:
I would have just moved from 2 votes per week to at least 3 if not 4.
(* I hope this to gain some currency given the recent trend for combining first and surnames into one handy word)
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Isn't it about their healthcare companies being allowed to bid for tendered provider contracts (which seem to be growing in size and commissioning power)?TGOHF said:
What parts of the NHS are you worried about ?nico67 said:
Exactly . The NHS is a red line even for Leavers .Stark_Dawning said:
Has Donald just killed Brexit stone dead? The US-UK trade deal was the last rusty nail for the Leavers to hang their coat on. Donald has just toxified it.nico67 said:Big moment . Trump admits the NHS is on the table in any trade deal.
Oh dear !
Coca Cola in the canteen ?
Apple Ipads for doctors ?
Come on - what USA input would ruin it for you ?
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Will you and others please stop corbynsplaining us?Sunil_Prasannan said:
@kinabalukinabalu said:
Two wrongs don't make a right. Not in my book.RobD said:Much like how Corbyn should respect the position of POTUS? Or was he too busy on his allotment to go to the banquet?
And this was more appropriate than a fancy dinner. Could have been a serious exchange of views.
Chance for Trump to learn something. Maybe that's why he flunked it.
Today is the 30th anniversary of Tiananmen Square.
Corbyn was perfectly OK with attending the state banquet when the Chinese premier visited in 2015.0 -
Given Congress has already indicated it will veto any trade deal that Trump would seek to present, we are talking in hypothetical terms only at the moment.tottenhamWC said:
I think the issue is that this narrative is just massively politically toxic.....even private investment in the NHS gets panned; let alone private investment from a Trump US administrationTGOHF said:0 -
That’s why they want a trade deal to allow the break up the NHS so iloses it’s buying powerTGOHF said:
So you are saying the NHS already buys drugs from the USA ?nichomar said:
The American drug companies hate the NHS because their buying power drives down prices unlike in the states where thousands of entities have no bargaining power so the drug companies charge what they like.brendan16 said:
And British companies can do the same in return - or no deal?TGOHF said:
You mean - the NHS might start using American drugs and American equipment ?nico67 said:Big moment . Trump admits the NHS is on the table in any trade deal.
Oh dear !
OMG !
As long as the NHS remains free at the point of use I don't really care how its run ultimately - private companies have always supported the NHS and invented drugs used in the NHS. Outcomes should be what matters - not inputs.
Good god - we can't let that happen..0 -
I don't think anyone would be trying too hard to escape those accusations.eek said:
As shown in the next tweetisam said:
Might make him look like the outsider that the Big Bad Establishment want to silence... money couldn’t buy itScott_P said:
https://twitter.com/JamesCrisp6/status/11359031224030699520 -
Can any organisation simply change its rules at the drop of a hat - when contenders have already entered a contest in good faith on the basis of the existing rules?Mysticrose said:0 -
Instead of spending billions on the NHS every year, let's give it to American corporations instead.
How's that for the side of a bus?0 -
Hilarious some Leavers think the Trump comments aren’t toxic .
Other parties now need to tie Farages previous comments on the NHS and his arse licking of Trump to say vote BP see the NHS sold off .0 -
They haven't entered the contest. There's no vacancy yet.justin124 said:
Can any organisation simply change its rules at the drop of a hat - when contenders have already entered a contest in good faith on the basis of the existing rules?Mysticrose said:0 -
What odds Leadsom fails to get seven proposers?0
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Spoiler - the NHS already pays US corporations for their pharmaceuticals and medical equipment.SouthamObserver said:Instead of spending billions on the NHS every year, let's give it to American corporations instead.
How's that for the side of a bus?
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Indeed - I'm sure the new rules have been devised with half an eye on the current list and the impact they would have on it. If the effect was to exclude a current well-established minister like Mancock, it would be seen as fixing the game. Having a dividing line between him and Harper on the list, not so much.TGOHF said:
To be honest no one out side those 6 has any hope.Harris_Tweed said:
As Guido's list currently stands, that first requirement immediately whittles the list down to six - BoJo, Gove, Hunt, Raab, Javid, Mancock*.oxfordsimon said:
Whilst I can understand why they are doing this, I am never keen on changing the rules part-way through a process. I know it hasn't officially started - but effectively it has.Scott_P said:
I would have just moved from 2 votes per week to at least 3 if not 4.
(* I hope this to gain some currency given the recent trend for combining first and surnames into one handy word)0 -
☺MarqueeMark said:LOL! From the same people who refuse to acknowledge the position of the President of the United States....
Just flipping that argument back to test reaction. Which was as I thought. The hypocrisy of some posters on here takes the breath away sometimes.
In fact I think Trump is under no obligation whatsoever to meet Corbyn.
Any case I bet Jeremy pitched it to be as unpalatable as possible. Meet in Islington, upstairs room of the Socialist Arms, no junk food, no fawning media or hangers on, no press conf or photo ops. And leave that risible 'Beast' in the garage - come by tube.0 -
Yeah - when you stop being so patently embarrassed about the sanctimony of your leader being pointed out.Dadge said:
Will you and others please stop corbynsplaining us?Sunil_Prasannan said:
@kinabalukinabalu said:
Two wrongs don't make a right. Not in my book.RobD said:Much like how Corbyn should respect the position of POTUS? Or was he too busy on his allotment to go to the banquet?
And this was more appropriate than a fancy dinner. Could have been a serious exchange of views.
Chance for Trump to learn something. Maybe that's why he flunked it.
Today is the 30th anniversary of Tiananmen Square.
Corbyn was perfectly OK with attending the state banquet when the Chinese premier visited in 2015.0 -
I think it's marvellous that Brexit is going to see the Tories having to justify the possibility of selling the NHS off to American corporations. My hunch is that it will not be politically popular.TGOHF said:
Spoiler - the NHS already pays US corporations for their pharmaceuticals and medical equipment.SouthamObserver said:Instead of spending billions on the NHS every year, let's give it to American corporations instead.
How's that for the side of a bus?
And Swedish, German ..
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I don't know as I'm not a lawyer but as the contest hasn't officially started it seems to me that they can do whatever they want. If a contestant doesn't like it, they don't need to stand.justin124 said:
Can any organisation simply change its rules at the drop of a hat - when contenders have already entered a contest in good faith on the basis of the existing rules?Mysticrose said:
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She's well out of it.SouthamObserver said:
At least the party had several hundred seats and was nominally in power when she handed over.
The next guy...0 -
You think Boris won't relish going to the country when the arch-Remainers have collapsed the govt. to prevent us Leaving?justin124 said:
They can still vote against him on a VNOC though.MarqueeMark said:The lasting legacy of Change UK may be that as three of the strongest anti-Boris chucked away their vote to succeed May, they allowed him to become Prime Minister.....
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Alternatively a debate that highlights that the NHS is built on private money developing healthcare might not be what the NHS disciples really want...nico67 said:Hilarious some Leavers think the Trump comments aren’t toxic .
Other parties now need to tie Farages previous comments on the NHS and his arse licking of Trump to say vote BP see the NHS sold off .
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If Gordon Brown was in charge of managing the Labour message, then the Trump thing would be used as the biggest bazooka in electoral history, day after day.nico67 said:Hilarious some Leavers think the Trump comments aren’t toxic .
Other parties now need to tie Farages previous comments on the NHS and his arse licking of Trump to say vote BP see the NHS sold off .
Jezza's lot? Hmmm. Too busy on about taxing granny's garden.0 -
Which is a pity, because widening the competition amongst service providers is an excellent idea, and US healthcare providers include some of the very best in the world. But you are probably right, the irrational worship of the particular and very odd nationalised-industry structure we are stuck with in the UK makes progress very hard indeed.SouthamObserver said:
I think it's marvellous that Brexit is going to see the Tories having to justify the possibility of selling the NHS off to American corporations. My hunch is that it will not be politically popular.TGOHF said:
Spoiler - the NHS already pays US corporations for their pharmaceuticals and medical equipment.SouthamObserver said:Instead of spending billions on the NHS every year, let's give it to American corporations instead.
How's that for the side of a bus?
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OK. Let's talk about that US-UK trade deal for a moment.
1. It's not about the NHS
2. It's going to be about agriculture.:
(a) Simply, the Labour Party isn't going to vote for a trade deal with the mortal enemy (Trump's US), while MPs from rural seats aren't going to vote for allowing food produced under US statndards to compete with that produced under UK ones.
(b) Oh yes, and those Conservative MPs from wealthy cities? They're going to hate the fact that (i) GM crops will be allowed and (ii) the UK will be treaty bound to not even force labelling of GM products.
3. Under a crash out Brexit scenario, the US Irish lobby is going be pretty pissed. Rightly or wrongly, we will be blamed. I cannot see the House of Representatives handing Trump or the UK a victory under those circumstances.
4. I can't see the US softening its ISDS requirements - i.e. where there are two US judges for one of ours in dispute resolution. That has led to some seriously unbalanced decisions in NAFTA.
A US-UK trade deal, no matter how desirable, is a chimera. There aren't the votes for it in the UK. There aren't the votes for it in the US.3 -
If any of the Chukkas join the Lib Dems, then the Yellow Team should insist on them holding by-elections.0
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SouthamObserver said:
Instead of spending billions on the NHS every year, let's give it to the EU instead.
How's that for the side of a bus?
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Make a play for Penny Mordaunt to lead them?Chris said:I suppose they could rename themselves Small Change now ...
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Irrelevant . The mere mention of the NHS and the USA will allow Labour and others to have a strong campaign message.TGOHF said:
Spoiler - the NHS already pays US corporations for their pharmaceuticals and medical equipment.SouthamObserver said:Instead of spending billions on the NHS every year, let's give it to American corporations instead.
How's that for the side of a bus?
And Swedish, German ..
Trump just handed a huge win to Remainers aswell . Brexit will see a desperate UK forced to sign any deal and that means the NHS will be up for grabs .
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Afternoon all
I suppose any justice system based on the use of trebuchet would be a pale imitation of the methods used in North Korea (allegedly) where anti-aircraft fire and packs of starving dogs are now en vogue for Cabinet re-shuffles.
As for President Trump, whether we like it or not, he is the democratically elected leader of the USA and as a Head of State deserves the appropriate welcome. May chose to invite him - whether that was a good idea or unnecessarily divisive is for others to comment.0 -
She should form a new party with Stephen PoundMarqueeMark said:
Make a play for Penny Mordaunt to lead them?Chris said:I suppose they could rename themselves Small Change now ...
In for a Penny, in for a Pound4 -
Market now has Boris 47%, Gove 19%, Leadsom 12%, Jezza 7%, Raab 4%, Rory 3%.
Saj/Mordaunt/Hancock disappearing out into sub 2% territory.
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To be fair, he probably can't remember every selfie taken with Bubba in East Bumfuck Pa. either........Scott_P said:0 -
Sounds a bit patronising - "we know your a bit fick but Trump's going to buy yer nurses from your community hospital"nico67 said:
Irrelevant . The mere mention of the NHS and the USA will allow Labour and others to have a strong campaign message.TGOHF said:
Spoiler - the NHS already pays US corporations for their pharmaceuticals and medical equipment.SouthamObserver said:Instead of spending billions on the NHS every year, let's give it to American corporations instead.
How's that for the side of a bus?
And Swedish, German ..
Might get the Jezziah frothing into his oat milk latte but the rest of the voters are more sophisticated - some of them may even work in the booming Uk life science sector and deal with US companies every day - or even work for them..
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Having resigned the Tory Whip . they no longer have any obligation to support Boris - or any Tory PM - on a VNOC. They would also have a long list of reasons to justify voting Boris down simply in terms of his unsuitability for the post. The electorate might well be grateful for having been spared the prospect of being ruled by such a malign human being.MarqueeMark said:
You think Boris won't relish going to the country when the arch-Remainers have collapsed the govt. to prevent us Leaving?justin124 said:
They can still vote against him on a VNOC though.MarqueeMark said:The lasting legacy of Change UK may be that as three of the strongest anti-Boris chucked away their vote to succeed May, they allowed him to become Prime Minister.....
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We’ll see. I’d have thought Farage and Leave in general would lap up the chance to be banned by the EU parliamentRichard_Nabavi said:
Funny kind of outsider, being given a house in Chelsea and being driven around by a chauffeur.isam said:Might make him look like the outsider that the Big Bad Establishment want to silence... money couldn’t buy it
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AlastairMeeks said:
If they ban him it will put points on BXP polling overnight. I hope they do.0 -
Because the Lib Dems hold our existing FPTP sacred as a system?tlg86 said:If any of the Chukkas join the Lib Dems, then the Yellow Team should insist on them holding by-elections.
I mean, why?0 -
If you think the general public (who some claim voted for Brexit to give the NHS £350m a week) are not going to be scared by the US trying to get near the NHS you are going to be very surprised.TGOHF said:
Sounds a bit patronising - "we know your a bit fick but Trump's going to buy yer nurses from your community hospital"nico67 said:
Irrelevant . The mere mention of the NHS and the USA will allow Labour and others to have a strong campaign message.TGOHF said:
Spoiler - the NHS already pays US corporations for their pharmaceuticals and medical equipment.SouthamObserver said:Instead of spending billions on the NHS every year, let's give it to American corporations instead.
How's that for the side of a bus?
And Swedish, German ..
Might get the Jezziah frothing into his oat milk latte but the rest of the voters are more sophisticated - some of them may even work in the booming Uk life science sector and deal with US companies every day - or even work for them..
"Brexit = a US health care system" is something that would change a lot of Brexit votes.
And while it may not be 100% true it's less of a lie than the bus was...0 -
Indeed. A 2019 election will come down to alliances, and a Boris-Nigel axis is looking more likely than a Corbyn-Swinson one.MarqueeMark said:
You think Boris won't relish going to the country when the arch-Remainers have collapsed the govt. to prevent us Leaving?justin124 said:
They can still vote against him on a VNOC though.MarqueeMark said:The lasting legacy of Change UK may be that as three of the strongest anti-Boris chucked away their vote to succeed May, they allowed him to become Prime Minister.....
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If you are right then the Conservative leadership candidates will be writing it on the sides of their metaphorical campaign buses. If wrong, they will be explaining how they will avoid it.TGOHF said:
Sounds a bit patronising - "we know your a bit fick but Trump's going to buy yer nurses from your community hospital"nico67 said:
Irrelevant . The mere mention of the NHS and the USA will allow Labour and others to have a strong campaign message.TGOHF said:
Spoiler - the NHS already pays US corporations for their pharmaceuticals and medical equipment.SouthamObserver said:Instead of spending billions on the NHS every year, let's give it to American corporations instead.
How's that for the side of a bus?
And Swedish, German ..
Might get the Jezziah frothing into his oat milk latte but the rest of the voters are more sophisticated - some of them may even work in the booming Uk life science sector and deal with US companies every day - or even work for them..0 -
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The life sciences sector was booming. Then Brexit came along.TGOHF said:
Sounds a bit patronising - "we know your a bit fick but Trump's going to buy yer nurses from your community hospital"nico67 said:
Irrelevant . The mere mention of the NHS and the USA will allow Labour and others to have a strong campaign message.TGOHF said:
Spoiler - the NHS already pays US corporations for their pharmaceuticals and medical equipment.SouthamObserver said:Instead of spending billions on the NHS every year, let's give it to American corporations instead.
How's that for the side of a bus?
And Swedish, German ..
Might get the Jezziah frothing into his oat milk latte but the rest of the voters are more sophisticated - some of them may even work in the booming Uk life science sector and deal with US companies every day - or even work for them..
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We can have a US style health care system whether we are in the EU or not.eek said:
If you think the general public (who some claim voted for Brexit to give the NHS £350m a week) are not going to be scared by the US trying to get near the NHS you are going to be very surprised.TGOHF said:
Sounds a bit patronising - "we know your a bit fick but Trump's going to buy yer nurses from your community hospital"nico67 said:
Irrelevant . The mere mention of the NHS and the USA will allow Labour and others to have a strong campaign message.TGOHF said:
Spoiler - the NHS already pays US corporations for their pharmaceuticals and medical equipment.SouthamObserver said:Instead of spending billions on the NHS every year, let's give it to American corporations instead.
How's that for the side of a bus?
And Swedish, German ..
Might get the Jezziah frothing into his oat milk latte but the rest of the voters are more sophisticated - some of them may even work in the booming Uk life science sector and deal with US companies every day - or even work for them..
"Brexit = a US health care system" is something that would change a lot of Brexit votes.
And while it may not be 100% true it's less of a lie than the bus was...
Throwing around some random slogans is barking mad.0 -
Not patronizing . Just as most people knew nothing of the detail surrounding many aspects of Brexit like the Customs Union and just deal in sound bites they won’t be going over the current details of the NHS re current contracts with the USA.TGOHF said:
Sounds a bit patronising - "we know your a bit fick but Trump's going to buy yer nurses from your community hospital"nico67 said:
Irrelevant . The mere mention of the NHS and the USA will allow Labour and others to have a strong campaign message.TGOHF said:
Spoiler - the NHS already pays US corporations for their pharmaceuticals and medical equipment.SouthamObserver said:Instead of spending billions on the NHS every year, let's give it to American corporations instead.
How's that for the side of a bus?
And Swedish, German ..
Might get the Jezziah frothing into his oat milk latte but the rest of the voters are more sophisticated - some of them may even work in the booming Uk life science sector and deal with US companies every day - or even work for them..
All they’ll hear is NHS and up for grabs in any USA trade deal.
I sense some Leavers are rather worried about Trumps comments !
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Nobody should get away with continually breaking rules.AlastairMeeks said:0 -
That was always going to be the case.nico67 said:
Irrelevant . The mere mention of the NHS and the USA will allow Labour and others to have a strong campaign message.TGOHF said:
Spoiler - the NHS already pays US corporations for their pharmaceuticals and medical equipment.SouthamObserver said:Instead of spending billions on the NHS every year, let's give it to American corporations instead.
How's that for the side of a bus?
And Swedish, German ..
Trump just handed a huge win to Remainers aswell . Brexit will see a desperate UK forced to sign any deal and that means the NHS will be up for grabs .0 -
Doesn't it? What a doophus.Richard_Nabavi said:So Corbyn's idea of diplomacy is to snub the President by refusing to attend a formal state banquet but to request a meeting with him?
It sounds rather like his Brexit policy.0 -
Everything that Trump and Farage has ever done has been that thing that’s going to push voters away from them, from the 2014 Euros, to the referendum, to the US Election, to the 2019 Euros...
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Nah not patronising at all..nico67 said:TGOHF said:
Sounds a bit patronising - "we know your a bit fick but Trump's going to buy yer nurses from your community hospital"nico67 said:
Irrelevant . The mere mention of the NHS and the USA will allow Labour and others to have a strong campaign message.TGOHF said:
Spoiler - the NHS already pays US corporations for their pharmaceuticals and medical equipment.SouthamObserver said:Instead of spending billions on the NHS every year, let's give it to American corporations instead.
How's that for the side of a bus?
And Swedish, German ..
Might get the Jezziah frothing into his oat milk latte but the rest of the voters are more sophisticated - some of them may even work in the booming Uk life science sector and deal with US companies every day - or even work for them..
All they’ll hear ..
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Incidentally, what's happening with the Richard Tice threatened libel action?0
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Smary Nat called his bluff but wasn't brave enough to make a public statement about it .AlastairMeeks said:Incidentally, what's happening with the Richard Tice threatened libel action?
Not heard anything since.0 -
Which is funny, because if the 1922 rules I'm seeing on Twitter are true (5% threshold for first ballot, 10% for second) Saj and Hancock are two of the only 5/6 candidates who might survive to the third. Leadsom by contrast...Andrew said:Market now has Boris 47%, Gove 19%, Leadsom 12%, Jezza 7%, Raab 4%, Rory 3%.
Saj/Mordaunt/Hancock disappearing out into sub 2% territory.0 -
Are chlorinated washed salads and vegetables ok - it keeps them looking so fresh at Tesco, Waitrose and Sainsburys in those clear bags.Richard_Nabavi said:Talking of US trade deals, or lack thereof:
https://twitter.com/snlester/status/1135867031671246848
Also be wary about taking your kids to the local swimming pool - as they will be subject to a bit of chlorine washing!
The issue is of course nothing to do with chlorine - but what happens before that stage.
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Yes it is! But I guess my barking mad ones are different to yours.TGOHF said:
We can have a US style health care system whether we are in the EU or not.eek said:
If you think the general public (who some claim voted for Brexit to give the NHS £350m a week) are not going to be scared by the US trying to get near the NHS you are going to be very surprised.TGOHF said:
Sounds a bit patronising - "we know your a bit fick but Trump's going to buy yer nurses from your community hospital"nico67 said:
Irrelevant . The mere mention of the NHS and the USA will allow Labour and others to have a strong campaign message.TGOHF said:
Spoiler - the NHS already pays US corporations for their pharmaceuticals and medical equipment.SouthamObserver said:Instead of spending billions on the NHS every year, let's give it to American corporations instead.
How's that for the side of a bus?
And Swedish, German ..
Might get the Jezziah frothing into his oat milk latte but the rest of the voters are more sophisticated - some of them may even work in the booming Uk life science sector and deal with US companies every day - or even work for them..
"Brexit = a US health care system" is something that would change a lot of Brexit votes.
And while it may not be 100% true it's less of a lie than the bus was...
Throwing around some random slogans is barking mad.0 -
Yes unless a court or authority created by statute with power to do so overturns it.justin124 said:
Can any organisation simply change its rules at the drop of a hat - when contenders have already entered a contest in good faith on the basis of the existing rules?Mysticrose said:
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I think the default should be to attend unless the visiting leader is a piece of lowlife scum on a personal level.Sunil_Prasannan said:
@kinabalu
Today is the 30th anniversary of Tiananmen Square.
Corbyn was perfectly OK with attending the state banquet when the Chinese premier visited in 2015.
So, for example, Trump - obviously - but I would take the same view about an individual of similar character and personality who was nominally on the Left of politics.
I guess we could come up with a couple of examples.
So, judgemental, self righteous, but consistent - this is what I think best describes my attitude to this rather tricky area.0 -
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Arms would be twisted for Leadsom, in order to avoid an all-male contest.Quincel said:
Which is funny, because if the 1922 rules I'm seeing on Twitter are true (5% threshold for first ballot, 10% for second) Saj and Hancock are two of the only 5/6 candidates who might survive to the third. Leadsom by contrast...Andrew said:Market now has Boris 47%, Gove 19%, Leadsom 12%, Jezza 7%, Raab 4%, Rory 3%.
Saj/Mordaunt/Hancock disappearing out into sub 2% territory.0 -
Yes, the fuss about this is completely irrational. In fact the best policy would be to have EU standards of rearing AND the US standard of washing the carcasses to reduce salmonella and other pathogens. But sadly, rationality doesn't apply.brendan16 said:
Are chlorinated washed salads and vegetables ok - it keeps them looking so fresh at Tesco, Waitrose and Sainsburys.Richard_Nabavi said:Talking of US trade deals, or lack thereof:
https://twitter.com/snlester/status/1135867031671246848
Also be wary about taking your kids to the local swimming pool - for a bit of chlorine washing!0 -
Sarah Wollaston and Heidi Allen should always have been in the Lib Dems.2
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The old days of being able to scare people and bend their will seems to be coming to an end.brendan16 said:
Also be wary about taking your kids to the local swimming pool - as they will be subject to a bit of chlorine washing!
I eat chicken in the US all the time - never had food poisoning yet. If only people could see how much water the Dutch pump into chickens...
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The entrenched nature of politics may mean any NHS sloganising will be of limited efficacy. Pro-EU types will seize on it as an article of faith, anti-EU types will see it as more fear-mongering.0
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Had the contest already *actually* started, then you could probably argue the case.algarkirk said:
Yes unless a court or authority created by statute with power to do so overturns it.justin124 said:
Can any organisation simply change its rules at the drop of a hat - when contenders have already entered a contest in good faith on the basis of the existing rules?Mysticrose said:
So far, TM has only indicated an intention to resign, and when she does, a contest will start, the rules of which are currently being drawn up.
My view is "nothing to see here".0 -
Um, some vegetarian chicken-substitute for me, pleaseTGOHF said:
The old days of being able to scare people and bend their will seems to be coming to an end.brendan16 said:
Also be wary about taking your kids to the local swimming pool - as they will be subject to a bit of chlorine washing!
I eat chicken in the US all the time - never had food poisoning yet. If only people could see how much water the Dutch pump into chickens... 0 -
Well all least its raining - so some of them will get a good washing! Chlorine free hopefully!isam said:0 -
I can't see any of the Change UK MPs being chosen by the LibDems as leader this time around. However, don't forget that Maclennan and Charles Kennedy were both originally SDP MPs.0
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Remainers don't care about the NHS!
"Instead of spending billions on the NHS every year, let's give it to the EU instead"
How's that for the side of a bus?
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Maybe but as I mentioned a couple of threads back, the Brexit press was already starting to cotton on to this (probably because of the ambassador's remarks) and to the likely one-sided nature of a US trade deal in general. It will be interesting to see how the leadership candidates play it. It might also be significant that Liam Fox, our deal negotiator in chief, has signed up to Hunt.Morris_Dancer said:The entrenched nature of politics may mean any NHS sloganising will be of limited efficacy. Pro-EU types will seize on it as an article of faith, anti-EU types will see it as more fear-mongering.
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So the 1922 committee are changing the rules to exclude the one MP who has bothered to talk and listen to voters.
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Mass-produced food that you find in the supermarkets here is noticeably inferior to that in the UK and Europe generally. If you can afford it, farmers’ markets are where you should by meat, eggs and produce.TGOHF said:
The old days of being able to scare people and bend their will seems to be coming to an end.brendan16 said:
Also be wary about taking your kids to the local swimming pool - as they will be subject to a bit of chlorine washing!
I eat chicken in the US all the time - never had food poisoning yet. If only people could see how much water the Dutch pump into chickens...0 -
I don't know how you drew that conclusion from @nichomar 's point, but I'll restate it. The NHS is a large purchaser of drugs and as such can select amongst a wide variety of drug providers. This drives down the prices of drugs, since anybody that charges too much can be discarded. Drug providers wish to make a profit so distinguish their drugs by means of patents or greater efficacy (which is fine) and/or lobby the purchaser to limit the number of other providers (which isn't). If a firm can gain control of the NHS and force it to purchase from X exclusively then X will make a lot of profit. Since many of those firms are American they will (entirely properly) lobby their President to make that a condition in the deal. Hence the concern.TGOHF said:
So you are saying the NHS already buys drugs from the USA ?nichomar said:
The American drug companies hate the NHS because their buying power drives down prices unlike in the states where thousands of entities have no bargaining power so the drug companies charge what they like.brendan16 said:
And British companies can do the same in return - or no deal?TGOHF said:
You mean - the NHS might start using American drugs and American equipment ?nico67 said:Big moment . Trump admits the NHS is on the table in any trade deal.
Oh dear !
OMG !
As long as the NHS remains free at the point of use I don't really care how its run ultimately - private companies have always supported the NHS and invented drugs used in the NHS. Outcomes should be what matters - not inputs.
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More to the point, weaponising the NHS helps Corbyn...Morris_Dancer said:The entrenched nature of politics may mean any NHS sloganising will be of limited efficacy. Pro-EU types will seize on it as an article of faith, anti-EU types will see it as more fear-mongering.
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Well quite - and we will all still have that choice after Brexit and a trade deal.rpjs said:
Mass-produced food that you find in the supermarkets here is noticeably inferior to that in the UK and Europe generally. If you can afford it, farmers’ markets are where you should by meat, eggs and produce.TGOHF said:
The old days of being able to scare people and bend their will seems to be coming to an end.brendan16 said:
Also be wary about taking your kids to the local swimming pool - as they will be subject to a bit of chlorine washing!
I eat chicken in the US all the time - never had food poisoning yet. If only people could see how much water the Dutch pump into chickens...
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Not to mention each and every one of us has been drinking chlorine every day since the 1970's...brendan16 said:
Are chlorinated washed salads and vegetables ok - it keeps them looking so fresh at Tesco, Waitrose and Sainsburys in those clear bags.Richard_Nabavi said:Talking of US trade deals, or lack thereof:
https://twitter.com/snlester/status/1135867031671246848
Also be wary about taking your kids to the local swimming pool - as they will be subject to a bit of chlorine washing!0
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