On a straw poll of 1. (myself) I find Ummuna and Wollaston have better name recognition than that woman who slapped her bloke about, or any other internal LD candidate.
Not exactly much in common between Anna Soubry and Joan Ryan is there? Maybe all those Guido stories re Anna and Chris Leslie divving up the CHUK posts for their spouses may have been true
Not exactly much in common between Anna Soubry and Joan Ryan is there? Maybe all those Guido stories re Anna and Chris Leslie divving up the CHUK posts for their spouses may have been true
My local LD canvasser told me that Chris Leslie was the only block to the TIG-Chuks and LDs joining up.
Kinda makes you wonder whether Vince regrets leaving. He's riding high now and finally getting some traction. His successor does not look likely to be a noticeable improvement.
To parrot my own contributions to the last thread..
Eligibility not necessarily equating to electability, of course.
I'd be surprised to see members of any party electing such a newbie, however sympathetic, good or prominent they were. Especially those who'd been in *two* other parties in the past six months.
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I hope the likes of Umunna and Allen have the humility and good sense to turn up at the Lib Dems, toe the line and offer to serve in whatever capacity the new leader sees fit. They're credible, media-friendly MPs, who alongside Swinson and Moran (and just about Davey) would look different to the Tory and Lab frontbenches.
On the Conservative leadership, my fear about backing Raab - even though logically he should be a strong shot because of his pro-Brexit views - was his personality and his seemingly wooden approach. I just don't see how any MP would think he would appeal to the public (boxing shorts aside).
As for Johnson, I wonder how much the fact he is in a marginal worries MPs voting for him? Sure he could switch but, in the current environment, fleeing a seat would go down like a bucket of sick. He might be getting the public endorsements but having your leader running a GE campaign while defending their seat is a problem.
Final point. I'm not putting any more money on the Con leadership campaign until Peterborough is done. I think that is going to massively influence the contest, especially if Brexit gets a thumping win (which I think they might - you have to be motivated to turn out and seems like only TBP and LibDems are such. I would put money on the LibDems being second).
On a straw poll of 1. (myself) I find Ummuna and Wollaston have better name recognition than that woman who slapped her bloke about, or any other internal LD candidate.
Chuka can maintain his 100 per cent record of ducking the leadership of every party he's been tipped for.
i expect Wollaston to join the Lib Dems, but even if you're a remainer living in Totnes or Brixham would you want her or trust her to represent you?
Quite funny coming from someone who seems to admire Mr Farage. Mr Farage, aka Mr Farridge aka friend of Julian Assange and admirer of Putin. I think I'd trust her a great deal more than any of the liars and charlatans who are either manipulative or dumb enough to suggest Brexit is a good idea
Not exactly much in common between Anna Soubry and Joan Ryan is there? Maybe all those Guido stories re Anna and Chris Leslie divving up the CHUK posts for their spouses may have been true
My local LD canvasser told me that Chris Leslie was the only block to the TIG-Chuks and LDs joining up.
Can't see the LibDems electing one of this bunch either. Chukka is uninspiring and is yesterday's man. Heidi Allen might be good for the Lib Dems though, strengthens their appeal in Remain-leaning Conservative seats
I don’t understand why anyone in the remaining Change UK rump thinks they can make a go of it. They’ve hardly set the world on fire since they launched.
The Lib Dems do need a good leader. Jo Swinson seems a bit feeble. She needs to be much crisper and more focused both in getting her own message across and putting the boot into the other parties. Don’t know much about Ed Davey.
The Lib Dems have an opportunity now but they could throw it away if they just get woolly leadership, which I fear they might.
Welcoming and generous as LibDems no doubt are, I can't quite see party members electing as leader someone who has only just joined from a rival.
Ah, but they accept new members to vote for the contest too, don't they? And most of the new members they have recruited in the last week have no institutional loyalty to Swinson or Davey anyhow.
Seems the five remaining are Soubry, Gapes, Ryan, Leslie and Coffey according to the Guardian - and they are keen to stand candidates at the next election.
Seems the five remaining are Soubry, Gapes, Ryan, Leslie and Coffey according to the Guardian - and they are keen to stand candidates at the next election.
I don’t understand why anyone in the remaining Change UK rump thinks they can make a go of it. They’ve hardly set the world on fire since they launched.
The Lib Dems do need a good leader. Jo Swinson seems a bit feeble. She needs to be much crisper and more focused both in getting her own message across and putting the boot into the other parties. Don’t know much about Ed Davey.
The Lib Dems have an opportunity now but they could throw it away if they just get woolly leadership, which I fear they might.
Right now the Lib Dems don't need anyone brilliant. They just need someone who can fart and chew gum at the same time: the political dynamics are so favourable for them.
That rather excludes all the former TIGgers, I'm afraid.
I don’t understand why anyone in the remaining Change UK rump thinks they can make a go of it. They’ve hardly set the world on fire since they launched.
The Lib Dems do need a good leader. Jo Swinson seems a bit feeble. She needs to be much crisper and more focused both in getting her own message across and putting the boot into the other parties. Don’t know much about Ed Davey.
The Lib Dems have an opportunity now but they could throw it away if they just get woolly leadership, which I fear they might.
Right now the Lib Dems don't need anyone brilliant. They just need someone who can fart and chew gum at the same time....
Invisible Uncle Vince sounds more appealing than that.
I'd be wary if I was the Lib Dems about CHUK members, Soubry in particular has the whole austerity thing about her - could retoxify.
I would also be wary of Chuka. He's a powerful brand but I am not sure it would work well in the LibDem window display. Perhaps because it IS powerful.
Hard to believe after those two gracious speeches from Trump and May the first question from Beth Rigby is about Jeremy Corbyn?
She has displayed no great skill in terms of presenting or questioning from all of I have seen her on screen. I have no idea how she got the Sky job. She has been poor on every occasion I have seen her work.
Welcoming and generous as LibDems no doubt are, I can't quite see party members electing as leader someone who has only just joined from a rival.
Ah, but they accept new members to vote for the contest too, don't they? And most of the new members they have recruited in the last week have no institutional loyalty to Swinson or Davey anyhow.
Yes, the website says if you join before 7 June you can vote. Having said which, you'd need pretty big entryism to get a newcomer over the line - and some of the new members will be former Lab/Con and may have grudges against the Tiggers.
I'd be wary if I was the Lib Dems about CHUK members, Soubry in particular has the whole austerity thing about her - could retoxify.
I would also be wary of Chuka. He's a powerful brand but I am not sure it would work well in the LibDem window display. Perhaps because it IS powerful.
I said a few days ago that if they think there will be an early GE, some Tiggers will defect. They appear to have made that calculation. They might've defected anyway, but I don't think they really wanted to. Some people seem to think all centrists are the same, but there are real differences of policy and outlook.
As far as the LD leader job is concerned, I doubt any of them will stand. Heidi is great but LD members wouldn't elect her over a proper LD.
Also, LD elections use AV. So if we assume that the long term members would put Davey/Swinson at the top in some order they couldn't split the vote and let a newcomer through.
Hard to believe after those two gracious speeches from Trump and May the first question from Beth Rigby is about Jeremy Corbyn?
She has displayed no great skill in terms of presenting or questioning from all of I have seen her on screen. I have no idea how she got the Sky job. She has been poor on every occasion I have seen her work.
I'd be wary if I was the Lib Dems about CHUK members, Soubry in particular has the whole austerity thing about her - could retoxify.
I would also be wary of Chuka. He's a powerful brand but I am not sure it would work well in the LibDem window display. Perhaps because it IS powerful.
The lasting legacy of Change UK may be that as three of the strongest anti-Boris chucked away their vote to succeed May, they allowed him to become Prime Minister.....
Hard to believe after those two gracious speeches from Trump and May the first question from Beth Rigby is about Jeremy Corbyn?
She has displayed no great skill in terms of presenting or questioning from all of I have seen her on screen. I have no idea how she got the Sky job. She has been poor on every occasion I have seen her work.
Hey, Beth is great.
I haven't seen any of that greatness. I have seen a lack of fluency, a lack of grasp of detail and odd choice of tone. No doubt she has qualities - but I just haven't seen anything approaching greatness.
Big moment . Trump admits the NHS is on the table in any trade deal.
Oh dear !
Has Donald just killed Brexit stone dead? The US-UK trade deal was the last rusty nail for the Leavers to hang their coat on. Donald has just toxified it.
Big moment . Trump admits the NHS is on the table in any trade deal.
Oh dear !
You mean - the NHS might start using American drugs and American equipment ?
OMG !
And British companies can do the same in return - or no deal?
As long as the NHS remains free at the point of use I don't really care how its run ultimately - private companies have always supported the NHS and invented drugs used in the NHS. Outcomes should be what matters - not inputs.
If Konta keeps playing like this, no-one left in the women's draw at Roland Garros can live with her. It's purely her own demons that can beat her now. Outstanding tennis in the last two games.
Big moment . Trump admits the NHS is on the table in any trade deal.
Oh dear !
Has Donald just killed Brexit stone dead? The US-UK trade deal was the last rusty nail for the Leavers to hang their coat on. Donald has just toxified it.
Exactly . The NHS is a red line even for Leavers .
Big moment . Trump admits the NHS is on the table in any trade deal.
Oh dear !
You mean - the NHS might start using American drugs and American equipment ?
OMG !
Stop digging ! Those Trump comments are incendiary . Even many Leavers are totally against the NHS being on the table .
Is Trump saying anything any other US President wouldn't say? A US-UK trade deal only happens with the agreement of both Congress and Parliament. I don't know why everyone obsesses over this.
The lasting legacy of Change UK may be that as three of the strongest anti-Boris chucked away their vote to succeed May, they allowed him to become Prime Minister.....
Whilst I can understand why they are doing this, I am never keen on changing the rules part-way through a process. I know it hasn't officially started - but effectively it has.
I would have just moved from 2 votes per week to at least 3 if not 4.
I wish to reassure party members that the Morris Dancer Party has not split nor ever shall. United behind our simple, sensible, and deliverable promises of invading France and establishing a new, trebuchet-based justice system, we shall strive on to victory!
Oil your wiffle sticks, and prepare for government!
Whilst I can understand why they are doing this, I am never keen on changing the rules part-way through a process. I know it hasn't officially started - but effectively it has.
I would have just moved from 2 votes per week to at least 3 if not 4.
And in reality a lot would have dropped out after the first/second ballot anyway.
Have seen some on Twitter criticising Corbyn for asking for a Trump meeting but boycotting the dinner/attending the protest.
In fairness to him, I think that's pretty consistent with this from when the visit was announced.. basically relations should be businesslike without the frills.
"Maintaining an important relationship with the United States does not require the pomp and ceremony of a State Visit. It is disappointing that the Prime Minister has again opted to kowtow to this US administration. I would welcome a meeting with President Trump to discuss all matters of interest."
Whilst I can understand why they are doing this, I am never keen on changing the rules part-way through a process. I know it hasn't officially started - but effectively it has.
I would have just moved from 2 votes per week to at least 3 if not 4.
And in reality a lot would have dropped out after the first/second ballot anyway.
yes, but I still think there's sense in forcing it a bit
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Presumably the Lib Dems have a minimum membership period to become party leader - you couldn't just join the day nominations close and stand?
Surely no one can stop joinjo now?
Come on - get those likes.
Eligibility not necessarily equating to electability, of course.
I'd be surprised to see members of any party electing such a newbie, however sympathetic, good or prominent they were. Especially those who'd been in *two* other parties in the past six months.
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I hope the likes of Umunna and Allen have the humility and good sense to turn up at the Lib Dems, toe the line and offer to serve in whatever capacity the new leader sees fit. They're credible, media-friendly MPs, who alongside Swinson and Moran (and just about Davey) would look different to the Tory and Lab frontbenches.
As for Johnson, I wonder how much the fact he is in a marginal worries MPs voting for him? Sure he could switch but, in the current environment, fleeing a seat would go down like a bucket of sick. He might be getting the public endorsements but having your leader running a GE campaign while defending their seat is a problem.
Final point. I'm not putting any more money on the Con leadership campaign until Peterborough is done. I think that is going to massively influence the contest, especially if Brexit gets a thumping win (which I think they might - you have to be motivated to turn out and seems like only TBP and LibDems are such. I would put money on the LibDems being second).
Er - which Trump war is Jezza referring to ?
Clown.
And continuity ChuK changing their name again apparently...
The Lib Dems do need a good leader. Jo Swinson seems a bit feeble. She needs to be much crisper and more focused both in getting her own message across and putting the boot into the other parties. Don’t know much about Ed Davey.
The Lib Dems have an opportunity now but they could throw it away if they just get woolly leadership, which I fear they might.
That rather excludes all the former TIGgers, I'm afraid.
https://twitter.com/Number10cat/status/1135860405794988033
Corbyn was perfectly OK with attending the state banquet when the Chinese premier visited in 2015.
Only in his own mind.
As far as the LD leader job is concerned, I doubt any of them will stand. Heidi is great but LD members wouldn't elect her over a proper LD.
There are 1,000 Wollastons to the Soubry.
Trump might not like Corbyn the man but he ought to respect the POSITION.
Absolute disgrace - and SO childish.
Oh dear !
OMG !
It sounds rather like his Brexit policy.
Whats the issue ?
As long as the NHS remains free at the point of use I don't really care how its run ultimately - private companies have always supported the NHS and invented drugs used in the NHS. Outcomes should be what matters - not inputs.
If Konta keeps playing like this, no-one left in the women's draw at Roland Garros can live with her. It's purely her own demons that can beat her now. Outstanding tennis in the last two games.
He is a little bit supernova one must admit that much.
I would have just moved from 2 votes per week to at least 3 if not 4.
I wish to reassure party members that the Morris Dancer Party has not split nor ever shall. United behind our simple, sensible, and deliverable promises of invading France and establishing a new, trebuchet-based justice system, we shall strive on to victory!
Oil your wiffle sticks, and prepare for government!
In fairness to him, I think that's pretty consistent with this from when the visit was announced.. basically relations should be businesslike without the frills.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1119393/donald-trump-uk-state-visit-jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may
"Maintaining an important relationship with the United States does not require the pomp and ceremony of a State Visit. It is disappointing that the Prime Minister has again opted to kowtow to this US administration. I would welcome a meeting with President Trump to discuss all matters of interest."
And this was more appropriate than a fancy dinner. Could have been a serious exchange of views.
Chance for Trump to learn something. Maybe that's why he flunked it.