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  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Latest shares:

    Brexit 31.7%
    LD 20.3%
    Lab 13.9%
    Green 12.1%
    Con 9.2%
    CUK 3.5%
    UKIP 3.4%
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,256
    edited May 2019

    @malcolmg
    > Dear god, take your blinkers off , more than double their nearest rival, are you really that thick.
    On Scotland Malc the answer is yes

    Remember the Ullapool-Inverness ferry?
  • El_Capitano
    El_Capitano Posts: 4,251
    Two threads ago there was some talk about the Abingdon count and whether it was 50-50 Brexit/LibDem. Final numbers are:

    Vale of White Horse: Lib Dems 17273, Brexit Party 11976

    South Oxfordshire: Lib Dems 15233, Brexit Party 13197

    I think Layla will sleep easy tonight.
  • AndreaParma_82
    AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Judging by Manchester, Liverpool, Oldham and Bolton results...Labour panick about the second seat in NW look exagerated
  • malcolmg
    malcolmg Posts: 44,523
    Good old North Ayrshire

    North Ayrshire (Scotland) result:
    SNP: 41.6% (+9.2)
    Brex: 17.5% (+17.5)
    Con: 12.5% (-4.5)
    Lab: 10.1% (-18.7)
    LDem: 7.9% (+5.3)
    Grn: 5.6% (+0.3)
    UKIP: 2.2% (-9.0)
    ChUK: 2.0% (+2.0)
  • viewcode
    viewcode Posts: 25,200

    Elected in Yorkshire...John Longworth Brexit

    I know he's not called "John Longworth Brexit", but it would be hysterically funny if he was... :)

  • Cyclefree
    Cyclefree Posts: 25,709
    Brexit party spokesman on now saying that 31% of the vote means that the people have voted for a No Deal Brexit.

    Since when is a third a majority?
  • IanB2
    IanB2 Posts: 52,310

    > @ydoethur said:

    >



    >

    >

    >

    > It doesn't look as though Corbyn is in for an easy ride.



    Awful man, serves him bloody right
    Smith’s figures are wrong anyhow, as he has forgotten to add the Greens to the Remain side.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Remain parties currently on 54% if you include Labour.
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,256
    South west declaring.
  • Wulfrun_Phil
    Wulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,784
    > @rcs1000 said:
    > > @Sean_F said:
    > > > @RobD said:
    > > > > @SouthamObserver said:
    > > > > https://twitter.com/spajw/status/1132775545698234371?s=21
    > > >
    > > > That's probably because London is in that.
    > >
    > > TBP should poll above 30% in each region to be declared now, other than Scotland.
    >
    > Yes: they should come out at about 34%. (And the LDs should hold on to the 20% mark.)

    Brexit Party vote share was up 8.2% on 2014 UKIP share in Wales and 11.2% up on 2014 UKIP share in West Midlands.

    On a UK share (as used for betting) I think they'll reach around 33% and around 34% on a GB share (as used for opinion polling).

    Looks like a very good night for YouGov.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Lol Alistair Campbell claiming TBP have lost in Wales.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    > @AndyJS said:
    > Remain parties currently on 54% if you include Labour.

    Labour are Remain?

    *innocent face*
  • Byronic
    Byronic Posts: 3,578
    Al Campbell is self-destructing on live TV.

    "All the roubles flowing in to your party"

    If I were Farage, I'd send that to my libel lawyers.

    Campbell has lost it. His wife should take him home.
  • anothernick
    anothernick Posts: 3,591
    > @HYUFD said:
    > > @SouthamObserver said:
    > > https://twitter.com/spajw/status/1132775545698234371?s=21
    >
    > No, Brexit Party now level with LDs and Greens combined on 32% each.
    >
    >

    But you need to add ChUK, PC and SNP to the revoke and remain number.
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    > @malcolmg said:
    > > @williamglenn said:
    >
    > > > @HYUFD said:
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > SNP still under 40% and Brexit Party now second in Scotland
    >
    > >
    >
    > > The Brexit Party coming second in Scotland is terrible news for unionism. Support for the union is increasingly synonymous with support for a failed project.
    >
    >
    >
    > Sturgeon gives the impression Scotland is unanimously for Remain, the Brexit Party a close second in Scotland with the LDs disproves that and the SNP still on little more than a third of the Scottish vote
    >
    > Dear god, take your blinkers off , more than double their nearest rival, are you really that thick.

    SNP got 37% in 2017 and currently also on 37%
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,256
    Cyclefree said:

    Brexit party spokesman on now saying that 31% of the vote means that the people have voted for a No Deal Brexit.

    Since when is a third a majority?

    Since 2005, when it's happened twice?
  • IanB2
    IanB2 Posts: 52,310
    Cyclefree said:

    Brexit party spokesman on now saying that 31% of the vote means that the people have voted for a No Deal Brexit.

    Since when is a third a majority?

    Welcome to our crooked voting system
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    > @Pulpstar said:
    > Lol Alistair Campbell claiming TBP have lost in Wales.

    "you got 42%!"

    sounds like a win to me :D
  • rcs1000
    rcs1000 Posts: 60,714
    > @Cyclefree said:
    > Brexit party spokesman on now saying that 31% of the vote means that the people have voted for a No Deal Brexit.
    >
    > Since when is a third a majority?

    It is also worth noting that of the BXP voters on here, a substantial minority are opposed to No Deal. (Not to the level of revocation.)

    Most BXP voters, IMHO, just want the government to get on with it.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    > @IanB2 said:
    > Brexit party spokesman on now saying that 31% of the vote means that the people have voted for a No Deal Brexit.
    >
    > Since when is a third a majority?
    >
    > Welcome to our crooked voting system

    Wasn't it the EU's idea?
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2019
    South West:

    CHUK 46,612
    Con 144,674 (8.7%)
    EngDem 8,393
    Green 302,364 (18.1%)
    Lab 108,100 (6.5%)
    LD 385,095 (23.1%)
    BRX 611,742 (36.7%)
    UKIP 53,739
    Maxey Ind 1,772
    Rahman Ind 755
    Ind Seed 3,383
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    South West votes

    Brexit Party 611742
    LDs 385095
    Greens 302364
    Tories 144674
    Labour 108100
  • Pro_Rata
    Pro_Rata Posts: 5,690
    SW: Bx. 3 LD.2 Grn. 1
  • Gallowgate
    Gallowgate Posts: 20,709
    ydoethur said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Brexit party spokesman on now saying that 31% of the vote means that the people have voted for a No Deal Brexit.

    Since when is a third a majority?

    Since 2005, when it's happened twice?
    Yes. Under FPTP.
  • El_Capitano
    El_Capitano Posts: 4,251
    Wow. Labour utterly monstered in the South-West.
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,256
    Awful results for Labour and Tories in SW again. So far behind the Greens and Lib Dems it's embarrassing. No seats, surely?
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,684
    The South West really wants its Brexit.
  • WhisperingOracle
    WhisperingOracle Posts: 10,470
    > @Cyclefree said:
    > Brexit party spokesman on now saying that 31% of the vote means that the people have voted for a No Deal Brexit.
    >
    > Since when is a third a majority?

    It's a disappointment for them if that's where they end up. The Brexit-supporting media, and they themselves, had set up the expectation of more. It's the old core Tory vote again.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    Pulpstar said:

    Which regions are we waiting for ?



    East Mids, South West, South East, Scotland, Northern Ireland, North West



    Declared Yorkshire, NW, West Mids, London, East, North East ?

    So that's a chance of an MEP for Con in Scotland, almost certainly 1 in the SE, and probably none anywhere else, so 4 total? Yikes.

    A couple more at least for Labour? So around 8-9? Only ok next to that Tory score.
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    9000+ spoiled ballots in the SW.

    Widders is an MEP.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    > @Scott_P said:
    > https://twitter.com/seanjonesqc/status/1132780036992446465

    Where better to sabotage them than from within?
  • IanB2
    IanB2 Posts: 52,310
    South West: strong green showing. Tories fourth.
  • Artist
    Artist Posts: 1,893
    How did the Greens do so well in the SW
  • Black_Rook
    Black_Rook Posts: 8,905
    South-West

    Change UK: 46,612
    Conservatives: 144,674
    English Democrats: 8.393
    Greens: 302,364
    Labour: 108,100
    Lib Dems: 385,095
    Brexit: 611,742
    Ukip: 53,739
    (Ind candidates: 1,772, 755 and 3,383)

    Seat apportionment:

    1. Brexit
    2. Lib Dems
    3. Brexit
    4. Greens
    5. Brexit
    6. Lib Dems

    Greens doing very well, only party other than the big two to get a seat. Labour and Tories both wiped out.

    **ENDS**
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    HYUFD said:

    South West votes



    Brexit Party 611742

    LDs 385095

    Greens 302364

    Tories 144674

    Labour 108100

    I expected the Greens to keep their seat in the SW, but that is a very impressive score.
  • Byronic
    Byronic Posts: 3,578
    > @HYUFD said:

    > >
    > >
    > > Sturgeon gives the impression Scotland is unanimously for Remain, the Brexit Party a close second in Scotland with the LDs disproves that and the SNP still on little more than a third of the Scottish vote
    > >
    > > Dear god, take your blinkers off , more than double their nearest rival, are you really that thick.
    >
    > SNP got 37% in 2017 and currently also on 37%<

    ++++

    Yep. In the current circs it's not an amazing result for the SNP. Worthy of one cheer, not three. They'd be mad to rush to Sindyref2 on this basis.

    Prediction: they won't.
  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,289
    > @Casino_Royale said:
    > The South West really wants its Brexit.

    Lib Dem + Green got more votes than the Brexit Party!
  • RobinWiggs
    RobinWiggs Posts: 621
    The other message of the night (and campaign) is how right Vince was to tell Chukka and the TIGgers to bugger off.
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    South West MEPs elected

    3 Brexit MEPs
    2 LDs
    1 Green

    Ann Widdecombe elected
  • IanB2
    IanB2 Posts: 52,310
    No Tory or Labour MEP in SW
  • Jonathan
    Jonathan Posts: 22,107
    Remain > Leave in South West
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    > @Artist said:
    > How did the Greens do so well in the SW

    Bristol ?
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,256
    Only one MEP holds their seat - the Greens.
    Artist said:

    How did the Greens do so well in the SW

    Bristol, Bath, Exeter, Stroud...
  • SouthamObserver
    SouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    Revoke and Remain beating No Deal in the SW.
  • El_Capitano
    El_Capitano Posts: 4,251

    Greens doing very well, only party other than the big two to get a seat. Labour and Tories both wiped out.

    Let's just reflect for a minute on the fact that "the big two" tonight doesn't mean either Conservative or Labour.

    ...

    Anne Widdecombe is still ghastly, isn't she?
  • WhisperingOracle
    WhisperingOracle Posts: 10,470
    edited May 2019
    > @kle4 said:
    > South West votes
    >
    >
    >
    > Brexit Party 611742
    >
    > LDs 385095
    >
    > Greens 302364
    >
    > Tories 144674
    >
    > Labour 108100
    >
    > I expected the Greens to keep their seat in the SW, but that is a very impressive score.

    Wow indeed. They'll only feel a bit of disappointment that they haven't got more seats with all these kinds of impressive scores, but it's still a very good night for them.
  • IanB2
    IanB2 Posts: 52,310
    Looking at UKIP, BXP and Tories the leave vote in the SW is well down on 2014.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    Artist said:

    How did the Greens do so well in the SW

    They already had one there - strong in Bristol, and not bad elsewhere in the region, compared to many other places. But its gone Green in a big way it seems, considering the LD advance.
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    East Midlands votes

    Brexit Party 452321
    LDs 203989
    Lab 164682
    Tories 123328
  • SouthamObserver
    SouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    > @Casino_Royale said:
    > The South West really wants its Brexit.

    Not sure how you work that out.
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,256
    edited May 2019
    Another monstering for Labour and Tories in the East Midlands. One Labour MEP just hangs on. Both Tory seats go.
  • ralphmalph
    ralphmalph Posts: 2,201
    Earlier today I wrote that I thought the SW was very important to the LD revival. Well the results are in and they have increased their vote by 12%. I think they will be ok with this but not ecstatic.

    Does not forecast an LD revival in my view but may well lead to ore council seats in the future.
  • IanB2
    IanB2 Posts: 52,310
    LDs second in E Mids!
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,684
    > @williamglenn said:
    > > @Casino_Royale said:
    > > The South West really wants its Brexit.
    >
    > Lib Dem + Green got more votes than the Brexit Party!

    Add UKIP plus Tories.
  • TheWhiteRabbit
    TheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    > @WhisperingOracle said:
    > > @kle4 said:
    > > South West votes
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Brexit Party 611742
    > >
    > > LDs 385095
    > >
    > > Greens 302364
    > >
    > > Tories 144674
    > >
    > > Labour 108100
    > >
    > > I expected the Greens to keep their seat in the SW, but that is a very impressive score.
    >
    > Wow indeed. They'll only feel a bit of disappointment that they haven't got more seats with all these kinds of impressive scores, but it's still a very good night for them.

    5k more votes and that would have been Greens 2
  • oldpolitics
    oldpolitics Posts: 455
    > @AndyJS said:
    > Remain parties currently on 54% if you include Labour.

    Brexit parties currently on 60% if you include Labour.
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    East Midlands MEPs elected

    3 Brexit Party
    1 LD
    1 Labour

    Annunziata Rees Mogg is elected
  • Benpointer
    Benpointer Posts: 35,627
    > @Casino_Royale said:
    > The South West really wants its Brexit.

    Er no... LD + Green > TBP +UKIP
  • AndreaParma_82
    AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    East Midlands

    3 Brexit

    Annunziata Rees-Mogg
    Jonathan Bullock
    Matthew Patten

    1 LD
    William Newton Dunn

    1 Lab
    Rory Palmer
  • Black_Rook
    Black_Rook Posts: 8,905
    > @Artist said:
    > How did the Greens do so well in the SW

    Rumours earlier in the night of Labour coming fourth in Bristol presumably true. They and the Lib Dems between them have evidently completely dismembered the Labour vote, save for the surviving core of diehard Corbynites and robot voters.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    > @IanB2 said:
    > Looking at UKIP, BXP and Tories the leave vote in the SW is well down on 2014.

    Probably the differential turnout that was noted over the last few days. I wonder how it would translate into a second people's vote?
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,684
    > @rcs1000 said:
    > > @Cyclefree said:
    > > Brexit party spokesman on now saying that 31% of the vote means that the people have voted for a No Deal Brexit.
    > >
    > > Since when is a third a majority?
    >
    > It is also worth noting that of the BXP voters on here, a substantial minority are opposed to No Deal. (Not to the level of revocation.)
    >
    > Most BXP voters, IMHO, just want the government to get on with it.

    Yes, I think so.
  • Roger
    Roger Posts: 20,744
    edited May 2019
    The really interesting news of the election is that Emily Thornberry has had enough of Corbyn and it's pretty clear she'll move against him. She wants Labour to be unequivocal for Remain. No ifs or buts....

    With Corbyn in place Brexit wont be stopped
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    > @SouthamObserver said:
    > Revoke and Remain beating No Deal in the SW.

    No Deal beating Revoke and Remain in the East Midlands
  • Jonathan
    Jonathan Posts: 22,107
    > @Casino_Royale said:
    > > @williamglenn said:
    > > > @Casino_Royale said:
    > > > The South West really wants its Brexit.
    > >
    > > Lib Dem + Green got more votes than the Brexit Party!
    >
    > Add UKIP plus Tories.

    You can’t add Tories. They form the woolly middle alliance with Labour. Remain won.
  • IanB2
    IanB2 Posts: 52,310
    TGOHF said:

    > @Artist said:

    > How did the Greens do so well in the SW



    Bristol ?

    And Cato is one of those rare MEPs with a bit of a profile
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    Con down 20% in the SW. Those 10% bets are fading away.
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,722
    edited May 2019
    Who are these Lib Dem, I mean Tory and Labour Parties?
  • Byronic
    Byronic Posts: 3,578
    Oh god. Mark Francois.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    I know, I know, it's Hodges on Labour, but still
    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1132780578397466624
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,256
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Everyone’s favourite MP Francois on the BBC.
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    Has the BBC ever had an Election results website with no results on it?

    It just lists MEPs. No figures for each region.
  • IanB2
    IanB2 Posts: 52,310

    > @williamglenn said:

    > > @Casino_Royale said:

    > > The South West really wants its Brexit.

    >

    > Lib Dem + Green got more votes than the Brexit Party!



    Add UKIP plus Tories.

    Leave has gone backwards in that SW result, no question
  • Black_Rook
    Black_Rook Posts: 8,905
    > @oldpolitics said:
    > > @AndyJS said:
    > > Remain parties currently on 54% if you include Labour.
    >
    > Brexit parties currently on 60% if you include Labour.

    And there's the crux of the matter. You could even say the same, to a lesser degree, about the Tories: are they for May's Deal or Hard Brexit?

    Voters are heavily polarising, but you can't determine whether or not the Remainers or Leavers are truly ahead in public opinion based on these results.
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    > @AndyJS said:
    > Remain parties currently on 54% if you include Labour.

    Labour won Barking and Dagenham, I suspect most Labour voters there were Leave
  • StuartDickson
    StuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    > @kle4 said:
    > > @Cicero said:
    >
    > > > @HYUFD said:
    >
    > > > > @StuartDickson said:
    >
    > > > > > @Alistair said:
    >
    > > > > > SNP are utterly smashing this.
    >
    > > > >
    >
    > > > > But, but, but... the BBC keeps telling me that Ruth is to be the next FM.
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > SNP still under 40% and Brexit Party now second in Scotland
    >
    > >
    >
    > > The big news is the total wipe out of Scottish Labour... Edinburgh, Aberdeen, Dundee, they are being totally taken off the map.
    >
    > >
    >
    >
    >
    > I never thought I’d live long enough. Praise the Lord.
    >
    > I'm worried about your heart seeting these results, don't get too excited!

    Nah. No worries. It’s just a daft Euro vote. Means the square root of diddly squat. But it is a straw in the wind. Or in the case of Ruth Davidson and Richard Leonard, a cow-pat on the head.
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,722
    > @Byronic said:
    > Oh god. Mark Francois.

    Where as on Sky they have Tobias Ellwood....who reminds me not all Tories are total moronic nutters.
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,256
    Can we have a relaxation of the rules around the C word so I can describe Mark Francois appropriately?
  • kjohnw
    kjohnw Posts: 1,456
    > @SouthamObserver said:
    > Revoke and Remain beating No Deal in the SW.
    Your assuming that all the con vote is not no deal that’s a big assumption when most con members are for no deal
  • IanB2
    IanB2 Posts: 52,310
    MikeL said:

    Has the BBC ever had an Election results website with no results on it?

    It just lists MEPs. No figures for each region.

    Most of them are on the regional pages, if not always in tabular form
  • Philip_Thompson
    Philip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    > @Jonathan said:
    > Remain > Leave in South West

    Umm no. Tories are Leave, Labour is Leave officially but should really be put in neither column.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    > @HYUFD said:
    > > @AndyJS said:
    > > Remain parties currently on 54% if you include Labour.
    >
    > Labour won Barking and Dagenham, I suspect most Labour voters there were Leave

    True but most of those voters probably went to other parties tonight.
  • Floater
    Floater Posts: 14,207
    > @AndyJS said:
    > Remain parties currently on 54% if you include Labour.

    You cant include Labour, be real.
  • Black_Rook
    Black_Rook Posts: 8,905
    > @ydoethur said:
    > Can we have a relaxation of the rules around the C word so I can describe Mark Francois appropriately?

    Time for the big vote of the night: who's worse, Alastair Campbell or Mark Francois?

    I vote Campbell.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    > @ydoethur said:
    > Can we have a relaxation of the rules around the C word so I can describe Mark Francois appropriately?

    I prefer using the T word, Tory.

    oh...
  • Philip_Thompson
    Philip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    > @Scott_P said:
    > https://twitter.com/annemcelvoy/status/1132782100904652800

    No difficulty there. The Tories need to represent one or the other. Either exit properly or don't bother.
  • WhisperingOracle
    WhisperingOracle Posts: 10,470
    edited May 2019
    > @Black_Rook said:
    > > @oldpolitics said:
    > > > @AndyJS said:
    > > > Remain parties currently on 54% if you include Labour.
    > >
    > > Brexit parties currently on 60% if you include Labour.
    >
    > And there's the crux of the matter. You could even say the same, to a lesser degree, about the Tories: are they for May's Deal or Hard Brexit?
    >
    > Voters are heavily polarising, but you can't determine whether or not the Remainers or Leavers are truly ahead in public opinion based on these results.

    What you can determine is that very little figures beyond the Tories' old core vote, though, want no-deal, as hoped for and publicly offered by the Brexit party. And yet the Tories may be about to throw themselves into a no-deal candidacy and trajectory.
  • TheValiant
    TheValiant Posts: 2,018
    Roger said:

    The really interesting news of the election is that Emily Thornberry has had enough of Corbyn and it's pretty clear she'll move against him. She wants Labour to be unequivocal for Remain. No ifs or buts....



    With Corbyn in place Brexit wont be stopped

    Yes. I would expect moves to be made against Corbyn this week... at least if any sensible [1] Labour MPs have anything to do with it.

    [1] Oh, wait....
  • dixiedean
    dixiedean Posts: 30,316
    One thing most of us can wholeheartedly celebrate is the defeat of "Tommy Robinson " and the rump of UKIP. Good riddance. Won't be embarrassing the country in Strasbourg.
  • viewcode
    viewcode Posts: 25,200
    ydoethur said:

    Can we have a relaxation of the rules around the C word so I can describe Mark Francois appropriately?

    [Adopts Tennessee accent]

    "Son, if you set it to a tune, we will all sing it"... :)

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