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I have just received my freepost delivery of the CHUK Euros leaflet and I reproduce the pages that have words on it above. I’m sure many PBers will have seen it as well.
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not a lot.0
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Never mind CHUK, what about the future of the rump Conservatives?0
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Oblivion.0
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I hope no one has backed Pakistan in the cricket.0
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What a dolly.tlg86 said:I hope no one has backed Pakistan in the cricket.
I'm at Headingley on Sunday, if England rest Jos Buttler for that match I'm going to riot.0 -
Delusions of grandeur from the off. Top down, superiority complex, ridden throwbacks to the time of the corporate politics that Leave and Corbyn voters rebelled against. However angrily well off, upper middle class people type from their laptops, they'll never have the fire of the downtrodden.
They should be made to write essays on the lyrics of "Common People"0 -
Another very solid day with the Lib Dem campaign... Not had anything so positive in ... Well, ever. So oblivion in one quarter seems to mean prosperity in another... Still not finding the TBP voters that the polls are, but I guess they must be out there.0
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CHUK seems like one of those holidays flings.
Except it wasn't fun whilst it lasted.
Perhaps in nine months we'll be (un)pleasantly surprised.0 -
And to think people on here rated some of these clowns...0
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> @Cicero said:
> Another very solid day with the Lib Dem campaign... Not had anything so positive in ... Well, ever. So oblivion in one quarter seems to mean prosperity in another... Still not finding the TBP voters that the polls are, but I guess they must be out there.
Hope you don't get too excited and resist the urge to become some mirror image of Farage.0 -
Jeremy Hunt embarrassing himself in a desperate attempt to suck upto the Tory Membership.
Nothing worse than these born again Leavers who are so desperate to get the top job that they’ll say and do anything .
I’d rather have a Brexiter who nailed their colours to the mast before the vote as next PM.
For two reasons , an original Remainer will have to overcompensate to prove they’re now true believers , digging an even deeper hole for themselves , much as what’s happened to May who now realizes she promised what she couldn’t deliver .
Second , let a Brexiter own it which means we won’t have to hear the constant whining that if only a Brexiter was in charge it would all have turned out marvelous .0 -
If that is not a gammon next to Chuk on the leaflet, what is it?
'X is broken' is very lame and retro stuff; I think Cameron campaigned on 'society is broken.'
They aren't very good, and they haven't listened to PB telling them they aren't very good. If they had, they would have gone out and hired someone competent.2 -
Their best hope is probably still the same as it was when they originally formed - that large (or at least reasonably large) numbers of MPs from other parties all feel the need to get out of their current homes because they can no longer stick to the official line for whatever reason.
If nothing else the current polling for the main parties and splits within them would suggest that British politics fragmenting further is still a considerable possibility.0 -
> @brokenwheel said:
> And to think people on here rated some of these clowns...
B-but I thought there was a huge gap in the centre! Voters were crying out!0 -
> @isam said:
> Delusions of grandeur from the off. Top down, superiority complex, ridden throwbacks to the time of the corporate politics that Leave and Corbyn voters rebelled against. However angrily well off, upper middle class people type from their laptops, they'll never have the fire of the downtrodden.
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> They should be made to write essays on the lyrics of "Common People"
Toffs make the best revolutionaries. Friedrich Engels loved his foxhunting.0 -
I must say, a party which campaigns on a leaflet featuring Chuka taking a selfie must be said to be out with the fairies.0
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Pretty sure it will be a Boris landslide, so you get your wish.nico67 said:Jeremy Hunt embarrassing himself in a desperate attempt to suck upto the Tory Membership.
Nothing worse than these born again Leavers who are so desperate to get the top job that they’ll say and do anything .
I’d rather have a Brexiter who nailed their colours to the mast before the vote as next PM.
For two reasons , an original Remainer will have to overcompensate to prove they’re now true believers , digging an even deeper hole for themselves , much as what’s happened to May who now realizes she promised what she couldn’t deliver .
Second , let a Brexiter own it which means we won’t have to hear the constant whining that if only a Brexiter was in charge it would all have turned out marvelous .0 -
I was going to vote for Change UK but given their complete inability to get anything of interest in the media. I have decided to vote LD in the European elections. The best thing that the MPs of Change UK can do is let the Lib Dems gobble them up! It does not make sense to carry on as Independents...0
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> @Ishmael_Z said:
> If that is not a gammon next to Chuk on the leaflet, what is it?
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> 'X is broken' is very lame and retro stuff; I think Cameron campaigned on 'society is broken.'
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> They aren't very good, and they haven't listened to PB telling them they aren't very good. If they had, they would have gone out and hired someone competent.
it fails because when pressed what they would do, most of their answers are 'remain doing the same stuff'
if you wanted to embrace change, you'd be pro-brexit, non?1 -
Still feel pretty confident in saying/betting Boris won't make the final two.rottenborough said:
Pretty sure it will be a Boris landslide, so you get your wish.nico67 said:Jeremy Hunt embarrassing himself in a desperate attempt to suck upto the Tory Membership.
Nothing worse than these born again Leavers who are so desperate to get the top job that they’ll say and do anything .
I’d rather have a Brexiter who nailed their colours to the mast before the vote as next PM.
For two reasons , an original Remainer will have to overcompensate to prove they’re now true believers , digging an even deeper hole for themselves , much as what’s happened to May who now realizes she promised what she couldn’t deliver .
Second , let a Brexiter own it which means we won’t have to hear the constant whining that if only a Brexiter was in charge it would all have turned out marvelous .
Remember the MPs control the first half of the leadership contest, doesn't matter what the members want.1 -
> @Cicero said:
> Another very solid day with the Lib Dem campaign... Not had anything so positive in ... Well, ever. So oblivion in one quarter seems to mean prosperity in another... Still not finding the TBP voters that the polls are, but I guess they must be out there.
Great news , thanks for letting us know how things are going . Really good to see the Lib Dems finally getting some reward for their second vote stand . Also it’s about bloody time voters moved on from the student fees drama.0 -
One of the replies:TheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/DaveAtherton20/status/1128332459282771975
This guy claims he hates extremism.
You can't make this stuff up.0 -
> @BannedInParis said:
> > @Ishmael_Z said:
> > If that is not a gammon next to Chuk on the leaflet, what is it?
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> > 'X is broken' is very lame and retro stuff; I think Cameron campaigned on 'society is broken.'
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> > They aren't very good, and they haven't listened to PB telling them they aren't very good. If they had, they would have gone out and hired someone competent.
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> it fails because when pressed what they would do, most of their answers are 'remain doing the same stuff'
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> if you wanted to embrace change, you'd be pro-brexit, non?
My problem is I always read 'change' as if it were part of a crossword clue, so I see 'Change UK' and think wtf does KU mean?0 -
The party's MPs will be metaphorically torn limb from limb if they don't put Boris to the membership.TheScreamingEagles said:
Still feel pretty confident in saying/betting Boris won't make the final two.rottenborough said:
Pretty sure it will be a Boris landslide, so you get your wish.nico67 said:Jeremy Hunt embarrassing himself in a desperate attempt to suck upto the Tory Membership.
Nothing worse than these born again Leavers who are so desperate to get the top job that they’ll say and do anything .
I’d rather have a Brexiter who nailed their colours to the mast before the vote as next PM.
For two reasons , an original Remainer will have to overcompensate to prove they’re now true believers , digging an even deeper hole for themselves , much as what’s happened to May who now realizes she promised what she couldn’t deliver .
Second , let a Brexiter own it which means we won’t have to hear the constant whining that if only a Brexiter was in charge it would all have turned out marvelous .
Remember the MPs control the first half of the leadership contest, doesn't matter what the members want.
Honestly, I can't see the party surviving intact from that.0 -
Boris might just pull out again like he did in the last leadership election.rottenborough said:
The party's MPs will be metaphorically torn limb from limb if they don't put Boris to the membership.TheScreamingEagles said:
Still feel pretty confident in saying/betting Boris won't make the final two.rottenborough said:
Pretty sure it will be a Boris landslide, so you get your wish.nico67 said:Jeremy Hunt embarrassing himself in a desperate attempt to suck upto the Tory Membership.
Nothing worse than these born again Leavers who are so desperate to get the top job that they’ll say and do anything .
I’d rather have a Brexiter who nailed their colours to the mast before the vote as next PM.
For two reasons , an original Remainer will have to overcompensate to prove they’re now true believers , digging an even deeper hole for themselves , much as what’s happened to May who now realizes she promised what she couldn’t deliver .
Second , let a Brexiter own it which means we won’t have to hear the constant whining that if only a Brexiter was in charge it would all have turned out marvelous .
Remember the MPs control the first half of the leadership contest, doesn't matter what the members want.
Honestly, I can't see the party surviving intact from that.0 -
They have all "Changed" their stance on a second referendum and implementing Brexit since they came out with a load of old tosh to get elected less than two years ago.Ishmael_Z said:> @BannedInParis said:
> > @Ishmael_Z said:
> > If that is not a gammon next to Chuk on the leaflet, what is it?
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> > 'X is broken' is very lame and retro stuff; I think Cameron campaigned on 'society is broken.'
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> > They aren't very good, and they haven't listened to PB telling them they aren't very good. If they had, they would have gone out and hired someone competent.
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> it fails because when pressed what they would do, most of their answers are 'remain doing the same stuff'
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> if you wanted to embrace change, you'd be pro-brexit, non?
My problem is I always read 'change' as if it were part of a crossword clue, so I see 'Change UK' and think wtf does KU mean?0 -
I struggle to see this. I am told Boris polls very high with members, but surely not 'I'd die in a ditch for him' high. Takes all sorts I supose!rottenborough said:
The party's MPs will be metaphorically torn limb from limb if they don't put Boris to the membership.TheScreamingEagles said:
Still feel pretty confident in saying/betting Boris won't make the final two.rottenborough said:
Pretty sure it will be a Boris landslide, so you get your wish.nico67 said:Jeremy Hunt embarrassing himself in a desperate attempt to suck upto the Tory Membership.
Nothing worse than these born again Leavers who are so desperate to get the top job that they’ll say and do anything .
I’d rather have a Brexiter who nailed their colours to the mast before the vote as next PM.
For two reasons , an original Remainer will have to overcompensate to prove they’re now true believers , digging an even deeper hole for themselves , much as what’s happened to May who now realizes she promised what she couldn’t deliver .
Second , let a Brexiter own it which means we won’t have to hear the constant whining that if only a Brexiter was in charge it would all have turned out marvelous .
Remember the MPs control the first half of the leadership contest, doesn't matter what the members want.
Honestly, I can't see the party surviving intact from that.0 -
I don't get this Boris thing. Maybe Sussex isn't typical, but I've lost count of the number of local party members (mostly Leavers) who have spontaneously said to me personally, or gone out of their way in meetings to say, that they can't abide him. Conversely, I haven't heard anyone say they support him.0
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> @isam said:
> Delusions of grandeur from the off. Top down, superiority complex, ridden throwbacks to the time of the corporate politics that Leave and Corbyn voters rebelled against. However angrily well off, upper middle class people type from their laptops, they'll never have the fire of the downtrodden.
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> They should be made to write essays on the lyrics of "Common People"
Enough about Farage. What about CUK?0 -
Change UK are utterly lame, as is their leaflet. They have no idea what they want nor how to get it nor how to persuade others.
And the selfie picture is unbelievably smug.1 -
> @Richard_Nabavi said:
> I don't get this Boris thing. Maybe Sussex isn't typical, but I've lost count of the number of local party members (mostly Leavers) who have spontaneously said to me personally, or gone out of their way in meetings to say, that they can't abide him. Conversely, I haven't heard anyone say they support him.
I know a Tory member who voted Leave who said they would not want him as PM...0 -
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> @Richard_Nabavi said:
> I don't get this Boris thing. Maybe Sussex isn't typical, but I've lost count of the number of local party members (mostly Leavers) who have spontaneously said to me personally, or gone out of their way in meetings to say, that they can't abide him. Conversely, I haven't heard anyone say they support him.
Sussex is of course unusually wise.0 -
Change UK is chock full of what Alastair Meeks calls 'dull competence' - the sort of modern day 'officer class' of politician that we want doing things and that the arrival of the ghastly lower-middle class Brexit wave threatens to sweep away. I'm glad CHUK has shown once again that that is a total myth, and that all these people had going for them was a veneer of competence provided by big teams, plentiful finance, and media approval. Strip that away and these people are clueless.0
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Boris is what used to be termed a bounder or a cad. He is the Terry Thomas of politics.0
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Everything about it is bad. Wooden delivery, no passion or energy, cold looking, poor script.. Like a 6th form project by amateursCyclefree said:
You be the judge, if you so wish.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7EPSLITTVo&feature=youtu.be
The use of "Remain" to start slogans is he best bit I'd say
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Which I would forgive him for in an instant if I thought he had a single principal he wouldn't jubilantly toss aside for a sniff at the top job.Cyclefree said:Boris is what used to be termed a bounder or a cad. He is the Terry Thomas of politics.
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> @isam said:
> Change UK are utterly lame, as is their leaflet. They have no idea what they want nor how to get it nor how to persuade others.
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> And the selfie picture is unbelievably smug.
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> Have you seen the PPB?
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> No. Not interested really. Why? Is it a Must See because it is so bad?
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> Everything about it is bad. Wooden delivery, no passion or energy, cold looking, poor script.. Like a 6th form project by amateurs
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> You be the judge, if you so wish.
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> The use of "Remain" to start slogans is he best bit I'd say
Finally, we are agreed!
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> @Luckyguy1983 said:
> Change UK is chock full of what Alastair Meeks calls 'dull competence' - the sort of modern day 'officer class' of politician that we want doing things and that the arrival of the ghastly lower-middle class Brexit wave threatens to sweep away. I'm glad CHUK has shown once again that that is a total myth, and that all these people had going for them was a veneer of competence provided by big teams, plentiful finance, and media approval. Strip that away and these people are clueless.
That applies quite broadly: Farage, May, Corbyn. The whole lot rely on the teams behind them.
This is generally good thing.0 -
> @Luckyguy1983 said:
> Change UK is chock full of what Alastair Meeks calls 'dull competence' - the sort of modern day 'officer class' of politician that we want doing things and that the arrival of the ghastly lower-middle class Brexit wave threatens to sweep away. I'm glad CHUK has shown once again that that is a total myth, and that all these people had going for them was a veneer of competence provided by big teams, plentiful finance, and media approval. Strip that away and these people are clueless.
The Tory press make and break people and Change UK is no different. On the otherhand Farage is lucky at the moment, the Brexit supporting media are giving him 'the works'. However, if he fails to deliver they will turn upon him with a vengeance....0 -
Who wants to stop Brexit anyway!!0
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It would - almost - be worth having Farage as PM to watch him enact his particular brand of “competence”. I suspect that we would be looking back at May’s Premiership as a golden age.Luckyguy1983 said:Change UK is chock full of what Alastair Meeks calls 'dull competence' - the sort of modern day 'officer class' of politician that we want doing things and that the arrival of the ghastly lower-middle class Brexit wave threatens to sweep away. I'm glad CHUK has shown once again that that is a total myth, and that all these people had going for them was a veneer of competence provided by big teams, plentiful finance, and media approval. Strip that away and these people are clueless.
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> @nico67 said:
> > @Cicero said:
> > Another very solid day with the Lib Dem campaign... Not had anything so positive in ... Well, ever. So oblivion in one quarter seems to mean prosperity in another... Still not finding the TBP voters that the polls are, but I guess they must be out there.
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> Great news , thanks for letting us know how things are going . Really good to see the Lib Dems finally getting some reward for their second vote stand . Also it’s about bloody time voters moved on from the student fees drama.
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Yeah, who cares about the the tripling of young peoples debts because they have the temerity to ask for an education, and by a party that claimed to oppose such a policy.
Re: the thread header, I imagine CUK will last until the next GE then cease to be and become an anecdote of how not to launch a party.0 -
> @solarflare said:
> Their best hope is probably still the same as it was when they originally formed - that large (or at least reasonably large) numbers of MPs from other parties all feel the need to get out of their current homes because they can no longer stick to the official line for whatever reason.
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> If nothing else the current polling for the main parties and splits within them would suggest that British politics fragmenting further is still a considerable possibility.
I think Watson is a major power broker leading perhaps 150 Labour MPs. Much more powerful than ERG or any of the minor parties. Dissident Labour MPs will join him rather than CHUK.0 -
> @Richard_Nabavi said:
> I must say, a party which campaigns on a leaflet featuring Chuka taking a selfie must be said to be out with the fairies.
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> @Cicero said:
> Another very solid day with the Lib Dem campaign... Not had anything so positive in ... Well, ever. So oblivion in one quarter seems to mean prosperity in another... Still not finding the TBP voters that the polls are, but I guess they must be out there.
I just wonder ... if we might be in for a massive surprise.
At the very least I think the LDs and BPs will both poll in the 20's. But I do just wonder ...0 -
You owe me a drink at the next PB meet up. That’s 3 minutes 40 seconds of my life I won’t get back.isam said:
Everything about it is bad. Wooden delivery, no passion or energy, cold looking, poor script.. Like a 6th form project by amateursCyclefree said:
You be the judge, if you so wish.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7EPSLITTVo&feature=youtu.be
The use of "Remain" to start slogans is he best bit I'd say
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Sorry but I have to totally disagree. Not all PMs are of the Thatcher mould - poring over red boxes till 1am. Cameron just made announcements most of the time and flew by the seat of his pants. And he was fine as far as it goes. I'm neither expecting, nor hoping for PM Farage, but he's a good communicator, and in terms of being 'up to it' I don't see that huge gulf. In terms of his legislative agenda that's a different debate.Cyclefree said:
It would - almost - be worth having Farage as PM to watch him enact his particular brand of “competence”. I suspect that we would be looking back at May’s Premiership as a golden age.Luckyguy1983 said:Change UK is chock full of what Alastair Meeks calls 'dull competence' - the sort of modern day 'officer class' of politician that we want doing things and that the arrival of the ghastly lower-middle class Brexit wave threatens to sweep away. I'm glad CHUK has shown once again that that is a total myth, and that all these people had going for them was a veneer of competence provided by big teams, plentiful finance, and media approval. Strip that away and these people are clueless.
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You know I actually think CUK have done a great public service; they’ve managed to bring Leavers and Remainers together at last, in ridiculing them.2
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It's what they would have wanted.brokenwheel said:You know I actually think CUK have done a great public service; they’ve managed to bring Leavers and Remainers together at last, in ridiculing them.
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> @isam said:
> Change UK are utterly lame, as is their leaflet. They have no idea what they want nor how to get it nor how to persuade others.
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> And the selfie picture is unbelievably smug.
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> Have you seen the PPB?
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> No. Not interested really. Why? Is it a Must See because it is so bad?
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> Everything about it is bad. Wooden delivery, no passion or energy, cold looking, poor script.. Like a 6th form project by amateurs
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> You be the judge, if you so wish.
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> The use of "Remain" to start slogans is he best bit I'd say
The last minute is utterly ridiculous - and indeed presumptuous! Heidi Allen is in no position to say there will be a televised debate this Friday. Since when does she control the Broadcasters and how can she seriously believe that they will meekly bow to her wishes? Pure fantasy.0 -
In theory CUK should be aiming for Blairite and Tory Remainers who find the Greens or even the LDs too left-wing and would never vote for a Corbyn led Labour Party or a Boris or Raab led Tory Party.
At the moment ironically the fact we are still in the EU and May is still leading the Tories is reducing its appeal with some potential CUK voters still voting Tory. Others may have gone LD but if we do still Brexit, Boris succeeds May as Tory leader, Corbyn remains Labour leader and Cable is succeeded by a more liberal left LD leader CUK May get more of a hearing. CUK will need to improve its marketing though, the bus unveiled this morning was a PR disaster and totally uneye-catching and probably get a more visible leader than Heidi Allen, most probably Chuka0 -
Do those drinks still go on? If there is one I shall obligeCyclefree said:
You owe me a drink at the next PB meet up. That’s 3 minutes 40 seconds of my life I won’t get back.isam said:
Everything about it is bad. Wooden delivery, no passion or energy, cold looking, poor script.. Like a 6th form project by amateursCyclefree said:
You be the judge, if you so wish.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7EPSLITTVo&feature=youtu.be
The use of "Remain" to start slogans is he best bit I'd say
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> @Richard_Nabavi said:
> I don't get this Boris thing. Maybe Sussex isn't typical, but I've lost count of the number of local party members (mostly Leavers) who have spontaneously said to me personally, or gone out of their way in meetings to say, that they can't abide him. Conversely, I haven't heard anyone say they support him.
Boris won our local party members' vote for next Tory leader in Epping Forest with Raab and Leadsom joint second.
ConHome's latest Tory members poll had Boris beating Hunt, Javid and Gove comfortably head to head with Raab running him closest.
Comres at the weekend had a Boris led Tory Party on a 7% higher voteshare than it is now with the Brexit Party total halved, a bigger lift than either Raab or Rudd gave the party0 -
Nothing in Farage’s past suggests any sort of competence at the actual mechanics of government. Quite the opposite. He is a good communicator. But he shines because so many other politicians are so bad at at it. And because he is prepared to say whatever will get him the applause and the approval.Luckyguy1983 said:
Sorry but I have to totally disagree. Not all PMs are of the Thatcher mould - poring over red boxes till 1am. Cameron just made announcements most of the time and flew by the seat of his pants. And he was fine as far as it goes. I'm neither expecting, nor hoping for PM Farage, but he's a relatively good communicator, and in terms of being 'up to it' I don't see that huge gulf. In terms of his legislative agenda that's a different debate.Cyclefree said:
It would - almost - be worth having Farage as PM to watch him enact his particular brand of “competence”. I suspect that we would be looking back at May’s Premiership as a golden age.Luckyguy1983 said:Change UK is chock full of what Alastair Meeks calls 'dull competence' - the sort of modern day 'officer class' of politician that we want doing things and that the arrival of the ghastly lower-middle class Brexit wave threatens to sweep away. I'm glad CHUK has shown once again that that is a total myth, and that all these people had going for them was a veneer of competence provided by big teams, plentiful finance, and media approval. Strip that away and these people are clueless.
I see him and I see the commodity broker he used to be. I have investigated a number of such people. Lying crooks the lot of them. Farage acts, talks and behaves like them and I am afraid when I see him in action I see just another example of the sorts of people I have so enjoyed investigating over the years. I realise that this is a very particular perspective. But there you are.0 -
I haven't seen one suggested for a while. Perhaps we should suggest it to OGH......isam said:
Do those drinks still go on? If there is one I shall obligeCyclefree said:
You owe me a drink at the next PB meet up. That’s 3 minutes 40 seconds of my life I won’t get back.isam said:
Everything about it is bad. Wooden delivery, no passion or energy, cold looking, poor script.. Like a 6th form project by amateursCyclefree said:
You be the judge, if you so wish.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7EPSLITTVo&feature=youtu.be
The use of "Remain" to start slogans is he best bit I'd say0 -
It’s amazing how the Lib Dems are being slated for breaking a pledge and yet the Tories and Labour are held up as if they’ve never done such a thing.
I’m not saying this as a normal Lib Dem voter , it was nearly 9 years ago . Time for people to move on .
I normally fall into the Labour camp but am happily voting Lib Dems for the Euros as are many other Labour voters fed up of Corbyns waffle over a second vote .
And if Corbyn bails out May or enables any form of Brexit then Labour can kiss goodbye to many Labour voters.1 -
> @justin124 said:
> > @isam said:
> > Change UK are utterly lame, as is their leaflet. They have no idea what they want nor how to get it nor how to persuade others.
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> > And the selfie picture is unbelievably smug.
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> > Have you seen the PPB?
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> > No. Not interested really. Why? Is it a Must See because it is so bad?
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> > Everything about it is bad. Wooden delivery, no passion or energy, cold looking, poor script.. Like a 6th form project by amateurs
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> > You be the judge, if you so wish.
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> > The use of "Remain" to start slogans is he best bit I'd say
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> The last minute is utterly ridiculous - and indeed presumptuous! Heidi Allen is in no position to say there will be a televised debate this Friday. Since when does she control the Broadcasters and how can she seriously believe that they will meekly bow to her wishes? Pure fantasy.
It's also pure fantasy to assume calling for a televised debate is a vote winner? What is this, 2010? Just Westminster bubble bullshit. The country does not want politicians gassing on television but getting on to resolve the Brexit impasse one way or another.0 -
Farage is not a team player. There is little to no evidence that he would perform even satisfactorily outside a command and control environment.Cyclefree said:
Nothing in Farage’s past suggests any sort of competence at the actual mechanics of government. Quite the opposite. He is a good communicator. But he shines because so many other politicians are so bad at at it. And because he is prepared to say whatever will get him the applause and the approval.Luckyguy1983 said:
Sorry but I have to totally disagree. Not all PMs are of the Thatcher mould - poring over red boxes till 1am. Cameron just made announcements most of the time and flew by the seat of his pants. And he was fine as far as it goes. I'm neither expecting, nor hoping for PM Farage, but he's a relatively good communicator, and in terms of being 'up to it' I don't see that huge gulf. In terms of his legislative agenda that's a different debate.Cyclefree said:
It would - almost - be worth having Farage as PM to watch him enact his particular brand of “competence”. I suspect that we would be looking back at May’s Premiership as a golden age.Luckyguy1983 said:Change UK is chock full of what Alastair Meeks calls 'dull competence' - the sort of modern day 'officer class' of politician that we want doing things and that the arrival of the ghastly lower-middle class Brexit wave threatens to sweep away. I'm glad CHUK has shown once again that that is a total myth, and that all these people had going for them was a veneer of competence provided by big teams, plentiful finance, and media approval. Strip that away and these people are clueless.
I see him and I see the commodity broker he used to be. I have investigated a number of such people. Lying crooks the lot of them. Farage acts, talks and behaves like them and I am afraid when I see him in action I see just another example of the sorts of people I have so enjoyed investigating over the years. I realise that this is a very particular perspective. But there you are.0 -
> @nico67 said:
> It’s amazing how the Lib Dems are being slated for breaking a pledge and yet the Tories and Labour are held up as if they’ve never done such a thing.
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> I’m not saying this as a normal Lib Dem voter , it was nearly 9 years ago . Time for people to move on .
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> I normally fall into the Labour camp but am happily voting Lib Dems for the Euros as are many other Labour voters fed up of Corbyns waffle over a second vote .
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> And if Corbyn bails out May or enables any form of Brexit then Labour can kiss goodbye to many Labour voters.
Have you seen Labour/Tory poll ratings recently?0 -
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> @nico67 said:
> It’s amazing how the Lib Dems are being slated for breaking a pledge and yet the Tories and Labour are held up as if they’ve never done such a thing.
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> I’m not saying this as a normal Lib Dem voter , it was nearly 9 years ago . Time for people to move on .
>
> I normally fall into the Labour camp but am happily voting Lib Dems for the Euros as are many other Labour voters fed up of Corbyns waffle over a second vote .
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> And if Corbyn bails out May or enables any form of Brexit then Labour can kiss goodbye to many Labour voters.
Regardless of the party vote shares, the turnout next week is likely to reveal that the public is far from being obsessed with Brexit. They are certainly sick to death of it.0 -
> @TheScreamingEagles said:
> Jeremy Hunt embarrassing himself in a desperate attempt to suck upto the Tory Membership.
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> Nothing worse than these born again Leavers who are so desperate to get the top job that they’ll say and do anything .
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> I’d rather have a Brexiter who nailed their colours to the mast before the vote as next PM.
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> For two reasons , an original Remainer will have to overcompensate to prove they’re now true believers , digging an even deeper hole for themselves , much as what’s happened to May who now realizes she promised what she couldn’t deliver .
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> Second , let a Brexiter own it which means we won’t have to hear the constant whining that if only a Brexiter was in charge it would all have turned out marvelous .
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> Pretty sure it will be a Boris landslide, so you get your wish.
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> Still feel pretty confident in saying/betting Boris won't make the final two.
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> Remember the MPs control the first half of the leadership contest, doesn't matter what the members want.
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It's a very valuable perspective. However, acting like a crook and being a successful politician are not mutually exclusive!Cyclefree said:
Nothing in Farage’s past suggests any sort of competence at the actual mechanics of government. Quite the opposite. He is a good communicator. But he shines because so many other politicians are so bad at at it. And because he is prepared to say whatever will get him the applause and the approval.Luckyguy1983 said:
Sorry but I have to totally disagree. Not all PMs are of the Thatcher mould - poring over red boxes till 1am. Cameron just made announcements most of the time and flew by the seat of his pants. And he was fine as far as it goes. I'm neither expecting, nor hoping for PM Farage, but he's a relatively good communicator, and in terms of being 'up to it' I don't see that huge gulf. In terms of his legislative agenda that's a different debate.Cyclefree said:
It would - almost - be worth having Farage as PM to watch him enact his particular brand of “competence”. I suspect that we would be looking back at May’s Premiership as a golden age.Luckyguy1983 said:Change UK is chock full of what Alastair Meeks calls 'dull competence' - the sort of modern day 'officer class' of politician that we want doing things and that the arrival of the ghastly lower-middle class Brexit wave threatens to sweep away. I'm glad CHUK has shown once again that that is a total myth, and that all these people had going for them was a veneer of competence provided by big teams, plentiful finance, and media approval. Strip that away and these people are clueless.
I see him and I see the commodity broker he used to be. I have investigated a number of such people. Lying crooks the lot of them. Farage acts, talks and behaves like them and I am afraid when I see him in action I see just another example of the sorts of people I have so enjoyed investigating over the years. I realise that this is a very particular perspective. But there you are.1 -
> @justin124 said:
> > @nico67 said:
> > It’s amazing how the Lib Dems are being slated for breaking a pledge and yet the Tories and Labour are held up as if they’ve never done such a thing.
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> > I’m not saying this as a normal Lib Dem voter , it was nearly 9 years ago . Time for people to move on .
> >
> > I normally fall into the Labour camp but am happily voting Lib Dems for the Euros as are many other Labour voters fed up of Corbyns waffle over a second vote .
> >
> > And if Corbyn bails out May or enables any form of Brexit then Labour can kiss goodbye to many Labour voters.
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> Regardless of the party vote shares, the turnout next week is likely to reveal that the public is far from being obsessed with Brexit. They are certainly sick to death of it.
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> @RobD said:
> > @nico67 said:
> > It’s amazing how the Lib Dems are being slated for breaking a pledge and yet the Tories and Labour are held up as if they’ve never done such a thing.
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> > I’m not saying this as a normal Lib Dem voter , it was nearly 9 years ago . Time for people to move on .
> >
> > I normally fall into the Labour camp but am happily voting Lib Dems for the Euros as are many other Labour voters fed up of Corbyns waffle over a second vote .
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> > And if Corbyn bails out May or enables any form of Brexit then Labour can kiss goodbye to many Labour voters.
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> Have you seen Labour/Tory poll ratings recently?
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> @Cicero said:
> Another very solid day with the Lib Dem campaign... Not had anything so positive in ... Well, ever. So oblivion in one quarter seems to mean prosperity in another... Still not finding the TBP voters that the polls are, but I guess they must be out there.
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> @RobD said:
> > @nico67 said:
> > It’s amazing how the Lib Dems are being slated for breaking a pledge and yet the Tories and Labour are held up as if they’ve never done such a thing.
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> > I’m not saying this as a normal Lib Dem voter , it was nearly 9 years ago . Time for people to move on .
> >
> > I normally fall into the Labour camp but am happily voting Lib Dems for the Euros as are many other Labour voters fed up of Corbyns waffle over a second vote .
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> > And if Corbyn bails out May or enables any form of Brexit then Labour can kiss goodbye to many Labour voters.
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> Have you seen Labour/Tory poll ratings recently?
Yes great news , bar one outlier Kantar , Labour are losing a shedload of votes to the Lib Dems and Greens .
Corbyn needs to go , Keir Starmer needs to go for it over the summer and send Corbyn back to his allotment .
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> @RobD said:
> > @justin124 said:
> > > @nico67 said:
> > > It’s amazing how the Lib Dems are being slated for breaking a pledge and yet the Tories and Labour are held up as if they’ve never done such a thing.
> > >
> > > I’m not saying this as a normal Lib Dem voter , it was nearly 9 years ago . Time for people to move on .
> > >
> > > I normally fall into the Labour camp but am happily voting Lib Dems for the Euros as are many other Labour voters fed up of Corbyns waffle over a second vote .
> > >
> > > And if Corbyn bails out May or enables any form of Brexit then Labour can kiss goodbye to many Labour voters.
> >
> > Regardless of the party vote shares, the turnout next week is likely to reveal that the public is far from being obsessed with Brexit. They are certainly sick to death of it.
>
> It probably won't, given that it is likely to be about the same as previous EU elections.
The last time we had EU elections held on a stand alone basis was in 1999 . Turnout was a mere 24%. Thereafter, they were combined with Local Elections to boost turnout. I expect it to be higher than in 1999, but will not be surprised if it does not exceed the circa 35% we saw on 2nd May.0 -
> @justin124 said:
> > @nico67 said:
> > It’s amazing how the Lib Dems are being slated for breaking a pledge and yet the Tories and Labour are held up as if they’ve never done such a thing.
> >
> > I’m not saying this as a normal Lib Dem voter , it was nearly 9 years ago . Time for people to move on .
> >
> > I normally fall into the Labour camp but am happily voting Lib Dems for the Euros as are many other Labour voters fed up of Corbyns waffle over a second vote .
> >
> > And if Corbyn bails out May or enables any form of Brexit then Labour can kiss goodbye to many Labour voters.
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> Regardless of the party vote shares, the turnout next week is likely to reveal that the public is far from being obsessed with Brexit. They are certainly sick to death of it.
They have not had Brexit yet despite voting for it, hence the Brexit Party is surging in the polls and will win the European elections and probably the Peterborough by election a fortnight later too0 -
It seems the government's strategy is indeed to lose.
https://twitter.com/RobDotHutton/status/11283316839782604820 -
> @nico67 said:
> > @RobD said:
> > > @nico67 said:
> > > It’s amazing how the Lib Dems are being slated for breaking a pledge and yet the Tories and Labour are held up as if they’ve never done such a thing.
> > >
> > > I’m not saying this as a normal Lib Dem voter , it was nearly 9 years ago . Time for people to move on .
> > >
> > > I normally fall into the Labour camp but am happily voting Lib Dems for the Euros as are many other Labour voters fed up of Corbyns waffle over a second vote .
> > >
> > > And if Corbyn bails out May or enables any form of Brexit then Labour can kiss goodbye to many Labour voters.
> >
> > Have you seen Labour/Tory poll ratings recently?
>
> Yes great news , bar one outlier Kantar , Labour are losing a shedload of votes to the Lib Dems and Greens .
>
> Corbyn needs to go , Keir Starmer needs to go for it over the summer and send Corbyn back to his allotment .
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> I’m not interested in a few more years of delusion in Labour , Corbyn will never win a GE.
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> @isam said:
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> The use of "Remain" to start slogans is he best bit I'd say
It would be if they were called The Remain Party.
However, what we have is 'Remain, Remain, Remain, Remain - Vote Change'.Makes no sense.0 -
One thing to bear in mind with the Kantar Poll.
It doesn’t include the BP or Change UK in its original list of choices for Westminster . It includes them after people have said other to the question .0 -
I don't think so. It's got eleven or twelve MPs and it'll show its quality over the next year or so and it'll also collect more recruits as Tories and Labour despair of their choices of Boris and Corbyn. I believe the future's bright and when the public get to see Heidi Allen more closely and regularly they'll be sold.0
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> @justin124 said:
> > @nico67 said:
> > > @RobD said:
> > > > @nico67 said:
> > > > It’s amazing how the Lib Dems are being slated for breaking a pledge and yet the Tories and Labour are held up as if they’ve never done such a thing.
> > > >
> > > > I’m not saying this as a normal Lib Dem voter , it was nearly 9 years ago . Time for people to move on .
> > > >
> > > > I normally fall into the Labour camp but am happily voting Lib Dems for the Euros as are many other Labour voters fed up of Corbyns waffle over a second vote .
> > > >
> > > > And if Corbyn bails out May or enables any form of Brexit then Labour can kiss goodbye to many Labour voters.
> > >
> > > Have you seen Labour/Tory poll ratings recently?
> >
> > Yes great news , bar one outlier Kantar , Labour are losing a shedload of votes to the Lib Dems and Greens .
> >
> > Corbyn needs to go , Keir Starmer needs to go for it over the summer and send Corbyn back to his allotment .
> >
> > I’m not interested in a few more years of delusion in Labour , Corbyn will never win a GE.
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> What were your expectations in 2017?
Low , May imploded and many voters didn’t want the Tories to get a big majority . Labour only win an election if they narrow the gap in the over 65s .
That demographic is key and Corbyn is a big turn off for them . It’s all well and good getting younger voters but there’s simply not enough to make up the shortfall .0 -
> @nico67 said:
> > @justin124 said:
> > > @nico67 said:
> > > > @RobD said:
> > > > > @nico67 said:
> > > > > It’s amazing how the Lib Dems are being slated for breaking a pledge and yet the Tories and Labour are held up as if they’ve never done such a thing.
> > > > >
> > > > > I’m not saying this as a normal Lib Dem voter , it was nearly 9 years ago . Time for people to move on .
> > > > >
> > > > > I normally fall into the Labour camp but am happily voting Lib Dems for the Euros as are many other Labour voters fed up of Corbyns waffle over a second vote .
> > > > >
> > > > > And if Corbyn bails out May or enables any form of Brexit then Labour can kiss goodbye to many Labour voters.
> > > >
> > > > Have you seen Labour/Tory poll ratings recently?
> > >
> > > Yes great news , bar one outlier Kantar , Labour are losing a shedload of votes to the Lib Dems and Greens .
> > >
> > > Corbyn needs to go , Keir Starmer needs to go for it over the summer and send Corbyn back to his allotment .
> > >
> > > I’m not interested in a few more years of delusion in Labour , Corbyn will never win a GE.
> >
> > What were your expectations in 2017?
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> Low , May imploded and many voters didn’t want the Tories to get a big majority . Labour only win an election if they narrow the gap in the over 65s .
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> That demographic is key and Corbyn is a big turn off for them . It’s all well and good getting younger voters but there’s simply not enough to make up the shortfall .
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I am not a Corbynite either , but in 2017 Labour exceeded the 36% won by Blair in 2005 - and the 37% and 39% managed under Harold Wilson in the February and October 1974 elections.0 -
> @nico67 said:
> One thing to bear in mind with the Kantar Poll.
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> It doesn’t include the BP or Change UK in its original list of choices for Westminster . It includes them after people have said other to the question .
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> @williamglenn said:
> It seems the government's strategy is indeed to lose.
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> https://twitter.com/RobDotHutton/status/1128331683978260482
It is Labour MPs from Leave seats May needs to convince and if the Brexit Party surges in their local authority areas that might help.
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> @HYUFD said:
> > @nico67 said:
> > One thing to bear in mind with the Kantar Poll.
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> > It doesn’t include the BP or Change UK in its original list of choices for Westminster . It includes them after people have said other to the question .
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> Which is a bit misleading as both will appear on the ballot paper
It’s quite important in polling when you don’t prompt .
If you don’t mention all the parties then that’s fine it’s a level playing field but if you say the rest and then say other it does make a difference .0 -
> @Roger said:
> I don't think so. It's got eleven or twelve MPs and it'll show its quality over the next year or so and it'll also collect more recruits as Tories and Labour despair of their choices of Boris and Corbyn. I believe the future's bright and when the public get to see Heidi Allen more closely and regularly they'll be sold.
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The other day you were gushing over Caroline Lucas and today it is Heidi Allen.
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Dire. They may as well campaign under the slogan 'Vote Change to remain the same'.0
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> @HYUFD said:
> > @nico67 said:
> > One thing to bear in mind with the Kantar Poll.
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> > It doesn’t include the BP or Change UK in its original list of choices for Westminster . It includes them after people have said other to the question .
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> Which is a bit misleading as both will appear on the ballot paper
I will be amazed if Change UK appears on my ballot paper at the next GE.0 -
TM meeting Corbyn at 7.15 tonight
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Kock Up.Ishmael_Z said:My problem is I always read 'change' as if it were part of a crossword clue, so I see 'Change UK' and think wtf does KU mean?
That seems to be the most likely explanation for their website not being on the first five pages of Google results when you search for "Change UK". (I couldn't be bothered to search for any more.) I'm not making this up.0 -
Heidi Allen looks OKSandyRentool said:> @Roger said:
> I don't think so. It's got eleven or twelve MPs and it'll show its quality over the next year or so and it'll also collect more recruits as Tories and Labour despair of their choices of Boris and Corbyn. I believe the future's bright and when the public get to see Heidi Allen more closely and regularly they'll be sold.
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The other day you were gushing over Caroline Lucas and today it is Heidi Allen.
You old dog.
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Another great poll for the Lib Dems this time by BMG .The BP is ahead but we are seeing huge differences in their lead .
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One thing that could save Change UK is if a high profile LEADER from Labour or the Tories defected to them and/or if a large number of MPs also did. They couldn't do a takeover of the Lib Dems but they could do that with Change UK.0
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> @Roger said:
> I don't think so. It's got eleven or twelve MPs and it'll show its quality over the next year or so and it'll also collect more recruits as Tories and Labour despair of their choices of Boris and Corbyn. I believe the future's bright and when the public get to see Heidi Allen more closely and regularly they'll be sold.
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> @nico67 said:
> Another great poll by BMG for the Lib Dems just out. The BP is ahead but we are seeing huge differences in their lead .
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> BP 26
> Lab 22
> Lib Dem 19
> Con 12
> Green 10
> UKIP 3
Tories surge to 4th and overtake the Greens!
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> @nico67 said:
> Another great poll by BMG for the Lib Dems just out. The BP is ahead but we are seeing huge differences in their lead .
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> BP 26
> Lab 22
> Lib Dem 19
> Con 12
> Green 10
> UKIP 3
How long to crossover with labour ?0
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