Williamson is an idiot. He should have resigned and said that the government was doing something regarding security that was putting the country at risk.
Noticed some comments on Twitter 2 days about Huawei and ex Cameron advisers sitting on the board. Am wondering if Williamson will go quietly or whether things kick off.
He's not going to have any support over this. If there are three posts in government that really must be held by people who don't leak it's defence, foreign affairs and Home Office, dealing with internal and external security. If he's leaking on issues of national security, everyone will agree with May. (Heck, everyone will agree anyway, because as noted she's quite right.)
That said, he's popular in his constituency, Bromptonaut aside. I think he'll be able to stay on if he wants to.
Williamson is an idiot. He should have resigned and said that the government was doing something regarding security that was putting the country at risk.
Indeed, he's still out of the Cabinet but now he's basically fucked for life. If he had done the honourable thing and resigned once the announcement was made it would have forced May's hand a bit more and made her justify the stupid decision on Huawei.
Williamson is an idiot. He should have resigned and said that the government was doing something regarding security that was putting the country at risk.
Indeed, he's still out of the Cabinet but now he's basically fucked for life. If he had done the honourable thing and resigned once the announcement was made it would have forced May's hand a bit more and made her justify the stupid decision on Huawei.
Apart from anything else, it's hard to see how he gets a job in the private sector. They will not want somebody they can't trust.
> @ydoethur said: > Williamson is an idiot. He should have resigned and said that the government was doing something regarding security that was putting the country at risk. > > Indeed, he's still out of the Cabinet but now he's basically fucked for life. If he had done the honourable thing and resigned once the announcement was made it would have forced May's hand a bit more and made her justify the stupid decision on Huawei. > > Apart from anything else, it's hard to see how he gets a job in the private sector. They will not want somebody they can't trust.
> @dixiedean said: > > @williamglenn said: > > Another by election on the way? > > If so, sadly one of the least competitive. 70% -25 last time out.
The joint highest Tory share in the country with Christchurch and South Holland and the Deepings. The main reason is that the biggest town in the seat only has a population of 15,000.
> Williamson is an idiot. He should have resigned and said that the government was doing something regarding security that was putting the country at risk.
>
> Indeed, he's still out of the Cabinet but now he's basically fucked for life. If he had done the honourable thing and resigned once the announcement was made it would have forced May's hand a bit more and made her justify the stupid decision on Huawei.
>
> Apart from anything else, it's hard to see how he gets a job in the private sector. They will not want somebody they can't trust.
He could go back to selling fireplaces.
I think he's been burned too badly for that.
Although maybe Vanilla forums could put him in charge of sorting out fecking blockquotes.
> @Big_G_NorthWales said: > > @dixiedean said: > > > @Big_G_NorthWales said: > > > > @williamglenn said: > > > > That letter looks career ending for him. > > > > > > Sky alleging criminal charges may follow > > > > Lock him up!....He deserves it. > > I did say alleging for a reason Dixie
Well indeed. If charged and found guilty obvs. However, were that to happen, it is difficult to see another outcome.
> @geoffw said: > Just imagine how rubbish you have to be to get sacked from the current Cabinet. > > They may have cleared out the leaker but it was useful to know that May is prepared to jeopardise our role in 5 eyes for a less costly 5G. > > > Is it cost? Or time. iirc Ericson have a 5G solution but it is 2 years away. > > Nokia is in the game as well. Don't know about timeliness.
My understanding is that Huawei are about 2 years ahead of everyone else. That may be one reason why the US are putting pressure on allies - to wait for Cisco and others to catch up. I also believe that some UK network firms have already decided not to use Huawei kit on the grounds of security.
Williamson is an idiot. He should have resigned and said that the government was doing something regarding security that was putting the country at risk.
Indeed, he's still out of the Cabinet but now he's basically fucked for life. If he had done the honourable thing and resigned once the announcement was made it would have forced May's hand a bit more and made her justify the stupid decision on Huawei.
Apart from anything else, it's hard to see how he gets a job in the private sector. They will not want somebody they can't trust.
Very true. It's one thing to leak Cabinet minutes, but top secret information is completely different. He can't be trusted.
> @MaxPB said: > Williamson is an idiot. He should have resigned and said that the government was doing something regarding security that was putting the country at risk. > > Indeed, he's still out of the Cabinet but now he's basically fucked for life. If he had done the honourable thing and resigned once the announcement was made it would have forced May's hand a bit more and made her justify the stupid decision on Huawei.
Oh, he didn't really care. He's just too stupid to realise that leaking in this context is much more serious than the usual cabinet leaks.
> I don't actually know the statistics but there are some heavily non white areas in Newport. It is probably less diverse than a lot of places but I don't think very white is accurate. If you take certain parts, there are probably wealthier parts or bits on the outskirts which are very white but there are areas where white people are a minority (although not massive areas) within Newport. <
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I have just checked. It is roughly 90% white, 6% BAME, 4% mixed. So, you are correct, it is not VERY white by UK standards, but it is still decidedly whiter than a lot of big cities in England.
The excitement of the crowd in the Farage video looks good for the Brexit party, like it or loathe it. The only recent comparison is Corbyn during Corbymania, when he took Labour from a total wipe-out to preventing the Tories getting a majority - a remarkable result given the initial polls.
> Williamson is an idiot. He should have resigned and said that the government was doing something regarding security that was putting the country at risk.
>
> Indeed, he's still out of the Cabinet but now he's basically fucked for life. If he had done the honourable thing and resigned once the announcement was made it would have forced May's hand a bit more and made her justify the stupid decision on Huawei.
>
> Apart from anything else, it's hard to see how he gets a job in the private sector. They will not want somebody they can't trust.
He could go back to selling fireplaces.
I think he's been burned too badly for that.
Although maybe Vanilla forums could put him in charge of sorting out fecking blockquotes.
At least we know who the dinosaurs and the progressives on here are now!
> @dixiedean said: > > @Big_G_NorthWales said: > > > @dixiedean said: > > > > @Big_G_NorthWales said: > > > > > @williamglenn said: > > > > > That letter looks career ending for him. > > > > > > > > Sky alleging criminal charges may follow > > > > > > Lock him up!....He deserves it. > > > > I did say alleging for a reason Dixie > > Well indeed. If charged and found guilty obvs. However, were that to happen, it is difficult to see another outcome.
I do not disagree with your logic Dixie. Sky suggesting he may have broken the Official Secrets Act
> @williamglenn said: > > @ydoethur said: > > Williamson is an idiot. He should have resigned and said that the government was doing something regarding security that was putting the country at risk. > > > > Indeed, he's still out of the Cabinet but now he's basically fucked for life. If he had done the honourable thing and resigned once the announcement was made it would have forced May's hand a bit more and made her justify the stupid decision on Huawei. > > > > Apart from anything else, it's hard to see how he gets a job in the private sector. They will not want somebody they can't trust. > > He could go back to selling fireplaces.
By the way, this is another illustration that you write off Theresa May at your peril.
She's had to deal with a completely impossible situation. Yes she's handled it very badly at times but I frankly doubt anyone could have done it better.
Except Piers Morgan obvs. He's godlike. As he demonstrated to Brett Lee.
> @Mysticrose said: > By the way, this is another illustration that you write off Theresa May at your peril. > > She's had to deal with a completely impossible situation. Yes she's handled it very badly at times but I frankly doubt anyone could have done it better. > > Except Piers Morgan obvs. He's godlike. As he demonstrated to Brett Lee.
She only had to deal with an impossible situation because she created one for herself
> @ydoethur said: > Williamson is an idiot. He should have resigned and said that the government was doing something regarding security that was putting the country at risk. > > Indeed, he's still out of the Cabinet but now he's basically fucked for life. If he had done the honourable thing and resigned once the announcement was made it would have forced May's hand a bit more and made her justify the stupid decision on Huawei. > > Apart from anything else, it's hard to see how he gets a job in the private sector. They will not want somebody they can't trust.
I would imagine there are a host of arms companies who would welcome a dishonest ex defence minister with glee
> I don't actually know the statistics but there are some heavily non white areas in Newport. It is probably less diverse than a lot of places but I don't think very white is accurate. If you take certain parts, there are probably wealthier parts or bits on the outskirts which are very white but there are areas where white people are a minority (although not massive areas) within Newport. <
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I have just checked. It is roughly 90% white, 6% BAME, 4% mixed. So, you are correct, it is not VERY white by UK standards, but it is still decidedly whiter than a lot of big cities in England.
The excitement of the crowd in the Farage video looks good for the Brexit party, like it or loathe it. The only recent comparison is Corbyn during Corbymania, when he took Labour from a total wipe-out to preventing the Tories getting a majority - a remarkable result given the initial polls.
Expect Nige to do well, in that light.
It is very small by the standards of anything called a City so the outskirts probably a bigger factor than normal.
As a Labour supporter it isn't something I dread as the crowd does look older and white. I don't doubt there are some 2017 Labour voters among them but the main source of Brexit party voters will be 2017 Tory voters. In terms of Labour getting elected I'd argue the Brexit party is a good thing overall.
On your other point there was real enthusiasm there, something you just don't really see with the Tories. Farage has a ceiling though which stops him in Westminster elections, I think most expect him to do well in the European ones.
> @Stereotomy said: > > @Mysticrose said: > > By the way, this is another illustration that you write off Theresa May at your peril. > > > > She's had to deal with a completely impossible situation. Yes she's handled it very badly at times but I frankly doubt anyone could have done it better. > > > > Except Piers Morgan obvs. He's godlike. As he demonstrated to Brett Lee. > > She only had to deal with an impossible situation because she created one for herself
That's simply untrue and one day the penny (tee hee) will drop for those idiots in the ERG.
The problems were insuperable once you factor in the inability of the ERG to compromise on their beloved utopia and the non majority.
The Conservative party are riven on Europe and have been for decades. Cameron called the referendum to try and end that: not the for the country (who couldn't have given a shit at the time about the EU) but for his party. Then he buggered off. She was dealt a grim hand indeed.
> @TheJezziah said: > > @TheJezziah said: > > > > > I don't actually know the statistics but there are some heavily non white areas in Newport. It is probably less diverse than a lot of places but I don't think very white is accurate. If you take certain parts, there are probably wealthier parts or bits on the outskirts which are very white but there are areas where white people are a minority (although not massive areas) within Newport. < > > > > *** > > > > I have just checked. It is roughly 90% white, 6% BAME, 4% mixed. So, you are correct, it is not VERY white by UK standards, but it is still decidedly whiter than a lot of big cities in England. > > > > The excitement of the crowd in the Farage video looks good for the Brexit party, like it or loathe it. The only recent comparison is Corbyn during Corbymania, when he took Labour from a total wipe-out to preventing the Tories getting a majority - a remarkable result given the initial polls. > > > > Expect Nige to do well, in that light. > > It is very small by the standards of anything called a City so the outskirts probably a bigger factor than normal. > > As a Labour supporter it isn't something I dread as the crowd does look older and white. I don't doubt there are some 2017 Labour voters among them but the main source of Brexit party voters will be 2017 Tory voters. In terms of Labour getting elected I'd argue the Brexit party is a good thing overall. > > On your other point there was real enthusiasm there, something you just don't really see with the Tories. Farage has a ceiling though which stops him in Westminster elections, I think most expect him to do well in the European ones.
If we are still in the EU by the next general election Farage will break through that ceiling
> @ExiledInScotland said: > > @geoffw said: > > Just imagine how rubbish you have to be to get sacked from the current Cabinet. > > > > They may have cleared out the leaker but it was useful to know that May is prepared to jeopardise our role in 5 eyes for a less costly 5G. > > > > > > Is it cost? Or time. iirc Ericson have a 5G solution but it is 2 years away. > > > > Nokia is in the game as well. Don't know about timeliness. > > My understanding is that Huawei are about 2 years ahead of everyone else. That may be one reason why the US are putting pressure on allies - to wait for Cisco and others to catch up. I also believe that some UK network firms have already decided not to use Huawei kit on the grounds of security.
The real catch is that there are no real standards for 5G, everyone are building boxes to try and build a system. All the fun and games about Huawei are more about the trade war between the USA and China. The US has a major problem in that the radio frequencies available to their Internet companies are the wrong ones, every other countries are a lot better. So here we have a country with a very bad record of intercepting it's own and foreign nationals communications, and China.
> @Sandpit said: > Penny Mordaunt new Defence Sec > > Good call, I like her and she has a sense of humour <
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I just checked her Wikipedia entry. She is lower middle class, state school educated, daughter of a paratrooper, first of her family to go to Uni (Reading). Her mother died of cancer when she 15, so..
"To pay her way through sixth-form college, Mordaunt became a magician's assistant to Portsmouth magician Will Ayling, once president of The Magic Circle.[12]"
Colourful, but impressive. The Tories could do a lot worse. Unless she has some terrible skeletons?
wiki is bit evasive about her private life. Not that it should matter.
Researching Ms Mordaunt's backstory leads me to the unhappy discovery that there was once such a thing as "Howard's Harem": the young women promoted into the Parliamentary Tory party by Michael Howard.
> @rkrkrk said: > > @ydoethur said: > > Williamson is an idiot. He should have resigned and said that the government was doing something regarding security that was putting the country at risk. > > > > Indeed, he's still out of the Cabinet but now he's basically fucked for life. If he had done the honourable thing and resigned once the announcement was made it would have forced May's hand a bit more and made her justify the stupid decision on Huawei. > > > > Apart from anything else, it's hard to see how he gets a job in the private sector. They will not want somebody they can't trust. > > I would imagine there are a host of arms companies who would welcome a dishonest ex defence minister with glee
As a disgraced former defence secretary, can't he just become secretary for international trade? It's not like he would have to achieve anything in the post...
Well that solves his promise to resign if he didn't get a grip on drugs and violence in prisons.
The one time I saw him on the parliament channel at the dispatch box he was impressive - on top of his brief and engaging properly with his opposite number. Even getting positive responses from Labour MPs.
> @ExiledInScotland said: > > @oxfordsimon said: > > Rory Stewart for DFID? > > Well that solves his promise to resign if he didn't get a grip on drugs and violence in prisons. > > The one time I saw him on the parliament channel at the dispatch box he was impressive - on top of his brief and engaging properly with his opposite number. Even getting positive responses from Labour MPs.
This illustrates the tendency to give ministers absurdly short periods in charge of a department, so that the relatively good ones have no beneficial effect. Meanwhile Grayling is still failing at DofT which Private Eye spells DafT.
Comments
> Cant think Tories want a By Election in Peterborough right now.
I doubt they care, it's not a blue seat rn.
Gavin gavin gavin lol. Strike another 1 off May's majority, he wont hang about
That said, he's popular in his constituency, Bromptonaut aside. I think he'll be able to stay on if he wants to.
Could he be hung, drawn and quartered?
Please.
> Wonder who will get the Defence Sec role. May could throw a massive curve ball and call Boris in, now that he's voted for MV3.
There will be a long queue of people willing to lay you if you wish to bet on that, Max.
> Just a thought - if she'd waited 2 days it would have buried the locals results news.
I doubt whether 95% of the country have ever heard of him. Truly.
https://twitter.com/GavinWilliamson
> Another by election on the way?
If so, sadly one of the least competitive. 70% -25 last time out.
> Wonder who will get the Defence Sec role. May could throw a massive curve ball and call Boris in, now that he's voted for MV3.
RORY! RORY! RORY!!….
> Williamson is an idiot. He should have resigned and said that the government was doing something regarding security that was putting the country at risk.
>
> Indeed, he's still out of the Cabinet but now he's basically fucked for life. If he had done the honourable thing and resigned once the announcement was made it would have forced May's hand a bit more and made her justify the stupid decision on Huawei.
>
> Apart from anything else, it's hard to see how he gets a job in the private sector. They will not want somebody they can't trust.
He could go back to selling fireplaces.
> > @williamglenn said:
> > That letter looks career ending for him.
>
> Sky alleging criminal charges may follow
Well if that's true then we could see another Recall. Or he may feel forced to resign his seat anyway.
Sigh.
> > @williamglenn said:
> > Another by election on the way?
>
> If so, sadly one of the least competitive. 70% -25 last time out.
The joint highest Tory share in the country with Christchurch and South Holland and the Deepings. The main reason is that the biggest town in the seat only has a population of 15,000.
However he has probably done the county a favour by keeping Huawei out of any 5G deal.
> Could he be done for treason?
> Could he be hung, drawn and quartered?
> Please.
>
> I believe Blair got rid of the didn’t he?
Yeah, as long as we are signed up to the ECHR capital punishment cannot be imposed even in wartime
Although maybe Vanilla forums could put him in charge of sorting out fecking blockquotes.
> > @dixiedean said:
> > > @Big_G_NorthWales said:
> > > > @williamglenn said:
> > > > That letter looks career ending for him.
> > >
> > > Sky alleging criminal charges may follow
> >
> > Lock him up!....He deserves it.
>
> I did say alleging for a reason Dixie
Well indeed. If charged and found guilty obvs. However, were that to happen, it is difficult to see another outcome.
> Just imagine how rubbish you have to be to get sacked from the current Cabinet.
>
> They may have cleared out the leaker but it was useful to know that May is prepared to jeopardise our role in 5 eyes for a less costly 5G.
>
>
> Is it cost? Or time. iirc Ericson have a 5G solution but it is 2 years away.
>
> Nokia is in the game as well. Don't know about timeliness.
My understanding is that Huawei are about 2 years ahead of everyone else. That may be one reason why the US are putting pressure on allies - to wait for Cisco and others to catch up. I also believe that some UK network firms have already decided not to use Huawei kit on the grounds of security.
> Williamson is an idiot. He should have resigned and said that the government was doing something regarding security that was putting the country at risk.
>
> Indeed, he's still out of the Cabinet but now he's basically fucked for life. If he had done the honourable thing and resigned once the announcement was made it would have forced May's hand a bit more and made her justify the stupid decision on Huawei.
Oh, he didn't really care. He's just too stupid to realise that leaking in this context is much more serious than the usual cabinet leaks.
> I don't actually know the statistics but there are some heavily non white areas in Newport. It is probably less diverse than a lot of places but I don't think very white is accurate. If you take certain parts, there are probably wealthier parts or bits on the outskirts which are very white but there are areas where white people are a minority (although not massive areas) within Newport. <
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I have just checked. It is roughly 90% white, 6% BAME, 4% mixed. So, you are correct, it is not VERY white by UK standards, but it is still decidedly whiter than a lot of big cities in England.
The excitement of the crowd in the Farage video looks good for the Brexit party, like it or loathe it. The only recent comparison is Corbyn during Corbymania, when he took Labour from a total wipe-out to preventing the Tories getting a majority - a remarkable result given the initial polls.
Expect Nige to do well, in that light.
Well. Apart from all the murdering, of course.
> > @Big_G_NorthWales said:
> > > @dixiedean said:
> > > > @Big_G_NorthWales said:
> > > > > @williamglenn said:
> > > > > That letter looks career ending for him.
> > > >
> > > > Sky alleging criminal charges may follow
> > >
> > > Lock him up!....He deserves it.
> >
> > I did say alleging for a reason Dixie
>
> Well indeed. If charged and found guilty obvs. However, were that to happen, it is difficult to see another outcome.
I do not disagree with your logic Dixie. Sky suggesting he may have broken the Official Secrets Act
https://twitter.com/Holbornlolz/status/1123635647858847744
> Williamson denied all knowledge on the 26th April. Looks as if that may have been very unwise
Of the leak, or just knowledge in general?
> > @ydoethur said:
> > Williamson is an idiot. He should have resigned and said that the government was doing something regarding security that was putting the country at risk.
> >
> > Indeed, he's still out of the Cabinet but now he's basically fucked for life. If he had done the honourable thing and resigned once the announcement was made it would have forced May's hand a bit more and made her justify the stupid decision on Huawei.
> >
> > Apart from anything else, it's hard to see how he gets a job in the private sector. They will not want somebody they can't trust.
>
> He could go back to selling fireplaces.
Hit your targets or you'll be fired.
Maybe broken on the wheel.....?
> Penny Mordaunt new Defence Sec
Blimey that was fast
She's had to deal with a completely impossible situation. Yes she's handled it very badly at times but I frankly doubt anyone could have done it better.
Except Piers Morgan obvs. He's godlike. As he demonstrated to Brett Lee.
Career-ending for Williamson, PMs don’t write many letters like that.
Is she to May what John Major was to Thatcher ...?
> By the way, this is another illustration that you write off Theresa May at your peril.
>
> She's had to deal with a completely impossible situation. Yes she's handled it very badly at times but I frankly doubt anyone could have done it better.
>
> Except Piers Morgan obvs. He's godlike. As he demonstrated to Brett Lee.
She only had to deal with an impossible situation because she created one for herself
> Penny Mordaunt new Defence Sec
First female defence sec I think...
As for your first para: https://youtu.be/isAUOa50wdA
> > @Big_G_NorthWales said:
> > Penny Mordaunt new Defence Sec
>
> Blimey that was fast
I wonder if Teresa is deliberately positioning Mordaunt as her preferred successor (and Brexiteer) over Boris. This would make sense.
> Williamson is an idiot. He should have resigned and said that the government was doing something regarding security that was putting the country at risk.
>
> Indeed, he's still out of the Cabinet but now he's basically fucked for life. If he had done the honourable thing and resigned once the announcement was made it would have forced May's hand a bit more and made her justify the stupid decision on Huawei.
>
> Apart from anything else, it's hard to see how he gets a job in the private sector. They will not want somebody they can't trust.
I would imagine there are a host of arms companies who would welcome a dishonest ex defence minister with glee
Would be hilarious if Williamson knifed May on the way out.
> https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1123637293577797632
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>
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> Would be hilarious if Williamson knifed May on the way out.
What is this knifed expression. Unnecesary
> https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1123637293577797632
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> Would be hilarious if Williamson knifed May on the way out.
She's so full of holes you'd never notice another one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvLcYUXBBuc
As a Labour supporter it isn't something I dread as the crowd does look older and white. I don't doubt there are some 2017 Labour voters among them but the main source of Brexit party voters will be 2017 Tory voters. In terms of Labour getting elected I'd argue the Brexit party is a good thing overall.
On your other point there was real enthusiasm there, something you just don't really see with the Tories. Farage has a ceiling though which stops him in Westminster elections, I think most expect him to do well in the European ones.
ttps://youtube.com/watch?v=hvLcYUXBBuc
Edit: @AndyJS beat me to it! Cock.
But not if nobody will talk to him.
> > @Mysticrose said:
> > By the way, this is another illustration that you write off Theresa May at your peril.
> >
> > She's had to deal with a completely impossible situation. Yes she's handled it very badly at times but I frankly doubt anyone could have done it better.
> >
> > Except Piers Morgan obvs. He's godlike. As he demonstrated to Brett Lee.
>
> She only had to deal with an impossible situation because she created one for herself
That's simply untrue and one day the penny (tee hee) will drop for those idiots in the ERG.
The problems were insuperable once you factor in the inability of the ERG to compromise on their beloved utopia and the non majority.
The Conservative party are riven on Europe and have been for decades. Cameron called the referendum to try and end that: not the for the country (who couldn't have given a shit at the time about the EU) but for his party. Then he buggered off. She was dealt a grim hand indeed.
> > @TheJezziah said:
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>
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> > I don't actually know the statistics but there are some heavily non white areas in Newport. It is probably less diverse than a lot of places but I don't think very white is accurate. If you take certain parts, there are probably wealthier parts or bits on the outskirts which are very white but there are areas where white people are a minority (although not massive areas) within Newport. <
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> I have just checked. It is roughly 90% white, 6% BAME, 4% mixed. So, you are correct, it is not VERY white by UK standards, but it is still decidedly whiter than a lot of big cities in England.
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> The excitement of the crowd in the Farage video looks good for the Brexit party, like it or loathe it. The only recent comparison is Corbyn during Corbymania, when he took Labour from a total wipe-out to preventing the Tories getting a majority - a remarkable result given the initial polls.
>
>
>
> Expect Nige to do well, in that light.
>
> It is very small by the standards of anything called a City so the outskirts probably a bigger factor than normal.
>
> As a Labour supporter it isn't something I dread as the crowd does look older and white. I don't doubt there are some 2017 Labour voters among them but the main source of Brexit party voters will be 2017 Tory voters. In terms of Labour getting elected I'd argue the Brexit party is a good thing overall.
>
> On your other point there was real enthusiasm there, something you just don't really see with the Tories. Farage has a ceiling though which stops him in Westminster elections, I think most expect him to do well in the European ones.
If we are still in the EU by the next general election Farage will break through that ceiling
> > @geoffw said:
> > Just imagine how rubbish you have to be to get sacked from the current Cabinet.
> >
> > They may have cleared out the leaker but it was useful to know that May is prepared to jeopardise our role in 5 eyes for a less costly 5G.
> >
> >
> > Is it cost? Or time. iirc Ericson have a 5G solution but it is 2 years away.
> >
> > Nokia is in the game as well. Don't know about timeliness.
>
> My understanding is that Huawei are about 2 years ahead of everyone else. That may be one reason why the US are putting pressure on allies - to wait for Cisco and others to catch up. I also believe that some UK network firms have already decided not to use Huawei kit on the grounds of security.
The real catch is that there are no real standards for 5G, everyone are building boxes to try and build a system. All the fun and games about Huawei are more about the trade war between the USA and China. The US has a major problem in that the radio frequencies available to their Internet companies are the wrong ones, every other countries are a lot better. So here we have a country with a very bad record of intercepting it's own and foreign nationals communications, and China.
> Penny Mordaunt new Defence Sec
>
> Good call, I like her and she has a sense of humour <
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I just checked her Wikipedia entry. She is lower middle class, state school educated, daughter of a paratrooper, first of her family to go to Uni (Reading). Her mother died of cancer when she 15, so..
"To pay her way through sixth-form college, Mordaunt became a magician's assistant to Portsmouth magician Will Ayling, once president of The Magic Circle.[12]"
Colourful, but impressive. The Tories could do a lot worse. Unless she has some terrible skeletons?
wiki is bit evasive about her private life. Not that it should matter.
> Rory Stewart for DFID?
Got that one right!!
Sensible promotion
> https://twitter.com/joncraig/status/1123635377024139264
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>
>
> Please please please....
No need to plead. Rory has been confirmed as being promoted
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/howards-harem-7229787.html
Howard's Harem??
Boak.
Edited extra bit: for next Con leader or PM, I forget which.
Oh, and the tagged MP is overboard.
> > @ydoethur said:
> > Williamson is an idiot. He should have resigned and said that the government was doing something regarding security that was putting the country at risk.
> >
> > Indeed, he's still out of the Cabinet but now he's basically fucked for life. If he had done the honourable thing and resigned once the announcement was made it would have forced May's hand a bit more and made her justify the stupid decision on Huawei.
> >
> > Apart from anything else, it's hard to see how he gets a job in the private sector. They will not want somebody they can't trust.
>
> I would imagine there are a host of arms companies who would welcome a dishonest ex defence minister with glee
As a disgraced former defence secretary, can't he just become secretary for international trade? It's not like he would have to achieve anything in the post...
> Rory Stewart for DFID?
Well that solves his promise to resign if he didn't get a grip on drugs and violence in prisons.
The one time I saw him on the parliament channel at the dispatch box he was impressive - on top of his brief and engaging properly with his opposite number. Even getting positive responses from Labour MPs.
> > @oxfordsimon said:
> > Rory Stewart for DFID?
>
> Well that solves his promise to resign if he didn't get a grip on drugs and violence in prisons.
>
> The one time I saw him on the parliament channel at the dispatch box he was impressive - on top of his brief and engaging properly with his opposite number. Even getting positive responses from Labour MPs.
This illustrates the tendency to give ministers absurdly short periods in charge of a department, so that the relatively good ones have no beneficial effect. Meanwhile Grayling is still failing at DofT which Private Eye spells DafT.