Back to matters political and positive noises continue to come on from the Conservative-Labour talks on Brexit.
The hint today is May is prepared to concede the CU in exchange for Labour agreeing any future Government "with a clear majority would be free to negotiate changes" (to the PD).
Could the Conservatives swallow a CU now to get the WA through and then, perhaps after winning an election, go in and change the WA to something else? I can see why Gove called it "unpalatable".
For Labour presumably the goal is if they win a clear majority, they can rip up the EU rules on State aid and intervene aggressively where they chose.
Such a deal would facilitate both Brexit and a GE.
> @Richard_Tyndall said: > > @Gardenwalker said: > > Greetings from LA. > > LAX was an absolute hellhole last night, I actually laughed out loud upon encountering the sheer mayhem of it. I wasn’t laughing 2 hours later.. > > > > Whether Corbyn is personally anti-Semitic or not is irrelevant at this point. It’s abundantly clear that the ideology he is promoting comes with lashings of anti-Semitism, anti-Westernism, and general intolerance of liberal values baked in. > > > > His becoming PM is terrifying, but is now odds on, because of Brexit. > > Why was LAX so bad? Have I missed something in the news or is it always like that? Useful to know for future reference.
I read an article saying they'd pretty much deliberately allowed the normal area to become dreadful in order to encourage people to pay to use the 5 star areas.
> @Gardenwalker said: > > @Richard_Tyndall said: > > > > @Gardenwalker said: > > > > Greetings from LA. > > > > LAX was an absolute hellhole last night, I actually laughed out loud upon encountering the sheer mayhem of it. I wasn’t laughing 2 hours later.. > > > > > > > > Whether Corbyn is personally anti-Semitic or not is irrelevant at this point. It’s abundantly clear that the ideology he is promoting comes with lashings of anti-Semitism, anti-Westernism, and general intolerance of liberal values baked in. > > > > > > > > His becoming PM is terrifying, but is now odds on, because of Brexit. > > > > > > Why was LAX so bad? Have I missed something in the news or is it always like that? Useful to know for future reference. > > > > Whatever you do, don't arrive at the international terminal at LA (TBIT) because it's where all the flights from South America and Asia arrive. You can find yourself in a mile long queue that stretches out of immigration. > > > > Try to fly Virgin into LAX, they are at a much quieter terminal. (American can also be ok.) > > And indeed, the wonderful service from Air NZ was not worth the horrifying experience at LAX. > > I expect to need to come to LA for business maybe once a quarter and will be travelling Virgin methinks.
LAX is this other Eden, demi-paradise when compared to Miami.....
Sounds to me like T May has basically given up, and sees only one credible solution: pushing through MV4 with the help of Labour. If that doesn't work (and it probably won't) she will resign.
Sounds like she has finally got to acceptance and, credit to her, will put country before party. Will Jezza do likewise?
Of course the shame is that had she been on PB these past three years we could have sorted this and be on our way to some part of a trade deal with the EU.
> @TOPPING said: > Sounds to me like T May has basically given up, and sees only one credible solution: pushing through MV4 with the help of Labour. If that doesn't work (and it probably won't) she will resign. > > Sounds like she has finally got to acceptance and, credit to her, will put country before party. Will Jezza do likewise? > > Of course the shame is that had she been on PB these past three years we could have sorted this and be on our way to some part of a trade deal with the EU.
There will be enormous pressure on Corbyn to accept this, from Labour Remainers; yet JC and his cabal will hate it. As we all know the best chance for the Hard Left to win a GE is to allow and facilitate a botched Brexit, or no Brexit, on the Tories' watch: where the Tories take the blame.
Corbyn is a stubborn old snapping turtle of a man. I expect him to reject a deal, or make a deal so odious to eurosceptics it will split the Tories,
> @Thayer5 said: > > @TOPPING said: > > Sounds to me like T May has basically given up, and sees only one credible solution: pushing through MV4 with the help of Labour. If that doesn't work (and it probably won't) she will resign. > > > > Sounds like she has finally got to acceptance and, credit to her, will put country before party. Will Jezza do likewise? > > > > Of course the shame is that had she been on PB these past three years we could have sorted this and be on our way to some part of a trade deal with the EU. > > There will be enormous pressure on Corbyn to accept this, from Labour Remainers; yet JC and his cabal will hate it. As we all know the best chance for the Hard Left to win a GE is to allow and facilitate a botched Brexit, or no Brexit, on the Tories' watch: where the Tories take the blame. > > Corbyn is a stubborn old snapping turtle of a man. I expect him to reject a deal, or make a deal so odious to eurosceptics it will split the Tories, >
Corbyn is a stubborn old snapping turtle of a man. I expect him to reject a deal, or make a deal so odious to eurosceptics it will split the Tories,
Yep that is entirely likely. His job is to get the Labour Party into government. And the irony is that his solution (if, as you say. he sticks to it) will do less damage to the country than, say, a no deal. But again I agree he will find that when Tezza says yes it will be the wrong kind of yes.
> LAX was an absolute hellhole last night, I actually laughed out loud upon encountering the sheer mayhem of it. I wasn’t laughing 2 hours later..
>
> Whether Corbyn is personally anti-Semitic or not is irrelevant at this point. It’s abundantly clear that the ideology he is promoting comes with lashings of anti-Semitism, anti-Westernism, and general intolerance of liberal values baked in.
>
> His becoming PM is terrifying, but is now odds on, because of Brexit.
Why was LAX so bad? Have I missed something in the news or is it always like that? Useful to know for future reference.
Immigration is the worst designed space I have come across and the sequencing of flights is terrible (London lands just after Hong Kong and Moscow)
Seeing as May's trying the old "well we call it this and they call it that but it's really the same thing" line then for maximum shits and giggles Labour should basically insist they only vote for the CU deal if it is explicitly referred to by all as a Customs Union.
> > LAX was an absolute hellhole last night, I actually laughed out loud upon encountering the sheer mayhem of it. I wasn’t laughing 2 hours later..
> >
> > Whether Corbyn is personally anti-Semitic or not is irrelevant at this point. It’s abundantly clear that the ideology he is promoting comes with lashings of anti-Semitism, anti-Westernism, and general intolerance of liberal values baked in.
> >
> > His becoming PM is terrifying, but is now odds on, because of Brexit.
>
> Why was LAX so bad? Have I missed something in the news or is it always like that? Useful to know for future reference.
Whatever you do, don't arrive at the international terminal at LA (TBIT) because it's where all the flights from South America and Asia arrive. You can find yourself in a mile long queue that stretches out of immigration.
Try to fly Virgin into LAX, they are at a much quieter terminal. (American can also be ok.)
Sounds to me like T May has basically given up, and sees only one credible solution: pushing through MV4 with the help of Labour. If that doesn't work (and it probably won't) she will resign.
Sounds like she has finally got to acceptance and, credit to her, will put country before party. Will Jezza do likewise?
Of course the shame is that had she been on PB these past three years we could have sorted this and be on our way to some part of a trade deal with the EU.
Is that true? I recall most of PB being very bullish about either the EU backing down on the backstop or May winning over parliament with her November deal. Lots of comments about minds being focused and such
> @Thayer5 said: > > @TOPPING said: > > Sounds to me like T May has basically given up, and sees only one credible solution: pushing through MV4 with the help of Labour. If that doesn't work (and it probably won't) she will resign. > > > > Sounds like she has finally got to acceptance and, credit to her, will put country before party. Will Jezza do likewise? > > > > Of course the shame is that had she been on PB these past three years we could have sorted this and be on our way to some part of a trade deal with the EU. > > There will be enormous pressure on Corbyn to accept this, from Labour Remainers; yet JC and his cabal will hate it. As we all know the best chance for the Hard Left to win a GE is to allow and facilitate a botched Brexit, or no Brexit, on the Tories' watch: where the Tories take the blame. > > Corbyn is a stubborn old snapping turtle of a man. I expect him to reject a deal, or make a deal so odious to eurosceptics it will split the Tories, >
Huh? It won't be the "Labour Remainers" who'll be pressuring Corbyn into accepting a cross-party Brexit deal; they want another referendum, which isn't going to be on offer.
Though I agree Corbyn probably won't ever accept a Tory deal no matter what, but the real question is whether what comes out of these talks is enough to get enough extra rebel Labour MPs on board.
> Signing the petition has just ended in Peterborough.
Surely? A failure to make the 10% this time would be evidence of the majority having given up on politics completely.
Her being recalled is the right outcome for sure, but I have to admit that I care so little about it that if they don't get to 10% I'd find it much more funny than upsetting
> > Sounds to me like T May has basically given up, and sees only one credible solution: pushing through MV4 with the help of Labour. If that doesn't work (and it probably won't) she will resign.
> >
> > Sounds like she has finally got to acceptance and, credit to her, will put country before party. Will Jezza do likewise?
> >
> > Of course the shame is that had she been on PB these past three years we could have sorted this and be on our way to some part of a trade deal with the EU.
>
> There will be enormous pressure on Corbyn to accept this, from Labour Remainers; yet JC and his cabal will hate it. As we all know the best chance for the Hard Left to win a GE is to allow and facilitate a botched Brexit, or no Brexit, on the Tories' watch: where the Tories take the blame.
>
> Corbyn is a stubborn old snapping turtle of a man. I expect him to reject a deal, or make a deal so odious to eurosceptics it will split the Tories,
>
Huh? It won't be the "Labour Remainers" who'll be pressuring Corbyn into accepting a cross-party Brexit deal; they want another referendum, which isn't going to be on offer.
Though I agree Corbyn probably won't ever accept a Tory deal no matter what, but the real question is whether what comes out of these talks is enough to get enough extra rebel Labour MPs on board.
I'm not sure I can imagine anything which would create more Labour rebels than Tory ones, with the possible exception of May's Deal unchanged + referendum, which Corbyn could reject.
> @Danny565 said: > > @Thayer5 said: > > > @TOPPING said: > > > Sounds to me like T May has basically given up, and sees only one credible solution: pushing through MV4 with the help of Labour. If that doesn't work (and it probably won't) she will resign. > > > > > > Sounds like she has finally got to acceptance and, credit to her, will put country before party. Will Jezza do likewise? > > > > > > Of course the shame is that had she been on PB these past three years we could have sorted this and be on our way to some part of a trade deal with the EU. > > > > There will be enormous pressure on Corbyn to accept this, from Labour Remainers; yet JC and his cabal will hate it. As we all know the best chance for the Hard Left to win a GE is to allow and facilitate a botched Brexit, or no Brexit, on the Tories' watch: where the Tories take the blame. > > > > Corbyn is a stubborn old snapping turtle of a man. I expect him to reject a deal, or make a deal so odious to eurosceptics it will split the Tories, > > > > Huh? It won't be the "Labour Remainers" who'll be pressuring Corbyn into accepting a cross-party Brexit deal; they want another referendum, which isn't going to be on offer. > > Though I agree Corbyn probably won't ever accept a Tory deal no matter what, but the real question is whether what comes out of these talks is enough to get enough extra rebel Labour MPs on board.
I mean the Labour Remainers who will reluctantly accept a deal over No Deal (or a 2nd vote), as long as the Deal keeps us tightly bound to the EU. My guess is most Labour MPs, or a plurality, fall into this category - they rightly see the enormous problems attached to a 2nd referendum. What if Leave wins? What is the question? What if there is a boycott, by Leavers? And what about Labour Leave voters?
There is a minority of Labour MPs who want a 2nd vote, whatever happens. I was not referring to them.
Sounds to me like T May has basically given up, and sees only one credible solution: pushing through MV4 with the help of Labour. If that doesn't work (and it probably won't) she will resign.
Sounds like she has finally got to acceptance and, credit to her, will put country before party. Will Jezza do likewise?
Of course the shame is that had she been on PB these past three years we could have sorted this and be on our way to some part of a trade deal with the EU.
Is that true? I recall most of PB being very bullish about either the EU backing down on the backstop or May winning over parliament with her November deal. Lots of comments about minds being focused and such
Well I certainly thought that people would see sense and vote through the deal (still do for that matter) but I can see why May wants to cut and run to accommodate Lab.
That stuff about getting everyone to stand is a well-know brainwashing technique. I encountered it once when I was dragged along to some dodgy pyramid-selling scheme.
> @Stark_Dawning said: > > @Thayer5 said: > > Whoah. Have a look at this > > > > https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1123472776764035072 > > > > Farage being treated like a rockstar. Could he ride this populist wave into government? > > That stuff about getting everyone to stand is a well-know brainwashing technique. I encountered it once when I was dragged along to some dodgy pyramid-selling scheme.
That's as maybe, but brains are apparently being washed, in Nigel's favour.
I have no liking for the man. His smirks and jeers in the European Parliament are embarrassing. I merely wonder if he could turn into a British Trump. Stranger things have happened - e.g. Trump.
> @Thayer5 said: > > @Stark_Dawning said: > > > @Thayer5 said: > > > Whoah. Have a look at this > > > > > > ttps://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1123472776764035072 > > > > > > Farage being treated like a rockstar. Could he ride this populist wave into government? > > > > That stuff about getting everyone to stand is a well-know brainwashing technique. I encountered it once when I was dragged along to some dodgy pyramid-selling scheme. > > That's as maybe, but brains are apparently being washed, in Nigel's favour. > > I have no liking for the man. His smirks and jeers in the European Parliament are embarrassing. I merely wonder if he could turn into a British Trump. Stranger things have happened - e.g. Trump. Can I suggest that people replying to posts with embeds bugger up the address of the embed by, e.g., taking the h out of https, so it doesn't repeat with every reply?
If I recall correctly HD2 had marriage problems, wife ran off with another women and obtained custody of his children and went off to Australia. It was only a number of years later that HD2 managed to regain contact with his children.
> @Ishmael_Z said: > > @Thayer5 said: > > > @Stark_Dawning said: > > > > @Thayer5 said: > > > > Whoah. Have a look at this > > > > > > > > ttps://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1123472776764035072 > > > > > > > > Farage being treated like a rockstar. Could he ride this populist wave into government? > > > > > > That stuff about getting everyone to stand is a well-know brainwashing technique. I encountered it once when I was dragged along to some dodgy pyramid-selling scheme. > > > > That's as maybe, but brains are apparently being washed, in Nigel's favour. > > > > I have no liking for the man. His smirks and jeers in the European Parliament are embarrassing. I merely wonder if he could turn into a British Trump. Stranger things have happened - e.g. Trump. > Can I suggest that people replying to posts with embeds bugger up the address of the embed by, e.g., taking the h out of https, so it doesn't repeat with every reply? >
> @isam said: > > @Thayer5 said: > > > Whoah. Have a look at this > > > > > > ttps://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1123472776764035072 > > > > > > > > Farage being treated like a rockstar. Could he ride this populist wave into government? > > > > Well it certainly looks like he has white, over 60 vote tied up. > > Oh how awful! > > Everyone knows progressive/diverse votes should count double
My point was more that Farage will need a wider vote catchment to really win a GE.
Not impossible though if a Trump-like bandwagon takes off, which seems increasingly likely in the UK (well England and Wales anyway).
> Can I suggest that people replying to posts with embeds bugger up the address of the embed by, e.g., taking the h out of https, so it doesn't repeat with every reply? >
Er, did I do something wrong? Why do we have to do coding to quote someone?
> Sounds to me like T May has basically given up, and sees only one credible solution: pushing through MV4 with the help of Labour. If that doesn't work (and it probably won't) she will resign.
If it doesn't work she could resign. Or she could prepare for MV5...
Meaningful vote 5?!
Lightweight! What's the Fast and Furious franchise up to now? 7, 8? She can do well better than that I reckon.
> @rottenborough said: > > @Thayer5 said: > > Whoah. Have a look at this > > > > ttps://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1123472776764035072 > > > > Farage being treated like a rockstar. Could he ride this populist wave into government? > > Well it certainly looks like he has white, over 60 vote tied up.
That's lazy. Look again. A casual glance shows a lot of younger people in that audience - male and female. It's very white, but then so is Newport? It's probably quite a good cross section of Newport electors - who actually bother to vote.
> Can I suggest that people replying to posts with embeds bugger up the address of the embed by, e.g., taking the h out of https, so it doesn't repeat with every reply?
>
Er, did I do something wrong? Why do we have to do coding to quote someone?
> @Thayer5 said: > > @Ishmael_Z said: > > > Can I suggest that people replying to posts with embeds bugger up the address of the embed by, e.g., taking the h out of https, so it doesn't repeat with every reply? > > > > > > Er, did I do something wrong? Why do we have to do coding to quote someone? You don't have to, it's just that we now have nine instances of that tweet showing in this thread. If you think that is too many, you can prevent it happening by breaking the code in the quoted text in your reply by changing https to ttps, or buttocks, or anything else you fancy. This is just a suggestion, though.
"The prime minister’s decision has been informed by his conduct surrounding an investigation into the circumstances of the unauthorised disclosure of information from a meeting of the National Security Council.
“The PM’s decision has been informed by his conduct surrounding an investigation into the circumstances of the unauthorised disclosure of information from a meeting of the NSC."
> > Farage being treated like a rockstar. Could he ride this populist wave into government?
>
> Well it certainly looks like he has white, over 60 vote tied up.
That's lazy. Look again. A casual glance shows a lot of younger people in that audience - male and female. It's very white, but then so is Newport? It's probably quite a good cross section of Newport electors - who actually bother to vote.
I don't actually know the statistics but there are some heavily non white areas in Newport. It is probably less diverse than a lot of places but I don't think very white is accurate. If you take certain parts, there are probably wealthier parts or bits on the outskirts which are very white but there are areas where white people are a minority (although not massive areas) within Newport.
I have no sympathy for Gavin Williamson - leaking like that was stupid. If he - and others - didn't want Huawei they should have told the PM they'd resign over it.
Noticed some comments on Twitter 2 days about Huawei and ex Cameron advisers sitting on the board. Am wondering if Williamson will go quietly or whether things kick off.
Comments
The hint today is May is prepared to concede the CU in exchange for Labour agreeing any future Government "with a clear majority would be free to negotiate changes" (to the PD).
Could the Conservatives swallow a CU now to get the WA through and then, perhaps after winning an election, go in and change the WA to something else? I can see why Gove called it "unpalatable".
For Labour presumably the goal is if they win a clear majority, they can rip up the EU rules on State aid and intervene aggressively where they chose.
Such a deal would facilitate both Brexit and a GE.
https://twitter.com/HD2onPBdotcom/status/1123615086902427653
> > @Gardenwalker said:
> > Greetings from LA.
> > LAX was an absolute hellhole last night, I actually laughed out loud upon encountering the sheer mayhem of it. I wasn’t laughing 2 hours later..
> >
> > Whether Corbyn is personally anti-Semitic or not is irrelevant at this point. It’s abundantly clear that the ideology he is promoting comes with lashings of anti-Semitism, anti-Westernism, and general intolerance of liberal values baked in.
> >
> > His becoming PM is terrifying, but is now odds on, because of Brexit.
>
> Why was LAX so bad? Have I missed something in the news or is it always like that? Useful to know for future reference.
I read an article saying they'd pretty much deliberately allowed the normal area to become dreadful in order to encourage people to pay to use the 5 star areas.
> > @Richard_Tyndall said:
>
> > > @Gardenwalker said:
>
> > > Greetings from LA.
>
> > > LAX was an absolute hellhole last night, I actually laughed out loud upon encountering the sheer mayhem of it. I wasn’t laughing 2 hours later..
>
> > >
>
> > > Whether Corbyn is personally anti-Semitic or not is irrelevant at this point. It’s abundantly clear that the ideology he is promoting comes with lashings of anti-Semitism, anti-Westernism, and general intolerance of liberal values baked in.
>
> > >
>
> > > His becoming PM is terrifying, but is now odds on, because of Brexit.
>
> >
>
> > Why was LAX so bad? Have I missed something in the news or is it always like that? Useful to know for future reference.
>
>
>
> Whatever you do, don't arrive at the international terminal at LA (TBIT) because it's where all the flights from South America and Asia arrive. You can find yourself in a mile long queue that stretches out of immigration.
>
>
>
> Try to fly Virgin into LAX, they are at a much quieter terminal. (American can also be ok.)
>
> And indeed, the wonderful service from Air NZ was not worth the horrifying experience at LAX.
>
> I expect to need to come to LA for business maybe once a quarter and will be travelling Virgin methinks.
LAX is this other Eden, demi-paradise when compared to Miami.....
> Signing the petition has just ended in Peterborough.
Surely? A failure to make the 10% this time would be evidence of the majority having given up on politics completely.
Get Global Entry, and then you can fly through immigration and be out of LAX within minutes of landing
Of course the shame is that had she been on PB these past three years we could have sorted this and be on our way to some part of a trade deal with the EU.
> Sounds to me like T May has basically given up, and sees only one credible solution: pushing through MV4 with the help of Labour. If that doesn't work (and it probably won't) she will resign.
>
> Sounds like she has finally got to acceptance and, credit to her, will put country before party. Will Jezza do likewise?
>
> Of course the shame is that had she been on PB these past three years we could have sorted this and be on our way to some part of a trade deal with the EU.
There will be enormous pressure on Corbyn to accept this, from Labour Remainers; yet JC and his cabal will hate it. As we all know the best chance for the Hard Left to win a GE is to allow and facilitate a botched Brexit, or no Brexit, on the Tories' watch: where the Tories take the blame.
Corbyn is a stubborn old snapping turtle of a man. I expect him to reject a deal, or make a deal so odious to eurosceptics it will split the Tories,
> > @TOPPING said:
> > Sounds to me like T May has basically given up, and sees only one credible solution: pushing through MV4 with the help of Labour. If that doesn't work (and it probably won't) she will resign.
> >
> > Sounds like she has finally got to acceptance and, credit to her, will put country before party. Will Jezza do likewise?
> >
> > Of course the shame is that had she been on PB these past three years we could have sorted this and be on our way to some part of a trade deal with the EU.
>
> There will be enormous pressure on Corbyn to accept this, from Labour Remainers; yet JC and his cabal will hate it. As we all know the best chance for the Hard Left to win a GE is to allow and facilitate a botched Brexit, or no Brexit, on the Tories' watch: where the Tories take the blame.
>
> Corbyn is a stubborn old snapping turtle of a man. I expect him to reject a deal, or make a deal so odious to eurosceptics it will split the Tories,
>
Yep.
> > @TOPPING said:
> > Sounds to me like T May has basically given up, and sees only one credible solution: pushing through MV4 with the help of Labour. If that doesn't work (and it probably won't) she will resign.
> >
> > Sounds like she has finally got to acceptance and, credit to her, will put country before party. Will Jezza do likewise?
> >
> > Of course the shame is that had she been on PB these past three years we could have sorted this and be on our way to some part of a trade deal with the EU.
>
> There will be enormous pressure on Corbyn to accept this, from Labour Remainers; yet JC and his cabal will hate it. As we all know the best chance for the Hard Left to win a GE is to allow and facilitate a botched Brexit, or no Brexit, on the Tories' watch: where the Tories take the blame.
>
> Corbyn is a stubborn old snapping turtle of a man. I expect him to reject a deal, or make a deal so odious to eurosceptics it will split the Tories,
>
Huh? It won't be the "Labour Remainers" who'll be pressuring Corbyn into accepting a cross-party Brexit deal; they want another referendum, which isn't going to be on offer.
Though I agree Corbyn probably won't ever accept a Tory deal no matter what, but the real question is whether what comes out of these talks is enough to get enough extra rebel Labour MPs on board.
> > @Thayer5 said:
> > > @TOPPING said:
> > > Sounds to me like T May has basically given up, and sees only one credible solution: pushing through MV4 with the help of Labour. If that doesn't work (and it probably won't) she will resign.
> > >
> > > Sounds like she has finally got to acceptance and, credit to her, will put country before party. Will Jezza do likewise?
> > >
> > > Of course the shame is that had she been on PB these past three years we could have sorted this and be on our way to some part of a trade deal with the EU.
> >
> > There will be enormous pressure on Corbyn to accept this, from Labour Remainers; yet JC and his cabal will hate it. As we all know the best chance for the Hard Left to win a GE is to allow and facilitate a botched Brexit, or no Brexit, on the Tories' watch: where the Tories take the blame.
> >
> > Corbyn is a stubborn old snapping turtle of a man. I expect him to reject a deal, or make a deal so odious to eurosceptics it will split the Tories,
> >
>
> Huh? It won't be the "Labour Remainers" who'll be pressuring Corbyn into accepting a cross-party Brexit deal; they want another referendum, which isn't going to be on offer.
>
> Though I agree Corbyn probably won't ever accept a Tory deal no matter what, but the real question is whether what comes out of these talks is enough to get enough extra rebel Labour MPs on board.
I mean the Labour Remainers who will reluctantly accept a deal over No Deal (or a 2nd vote), as long as the Deal keeps us tightly bound to the EU. My guess is most Labour MPs, or a plurality, fall into this category - they rightly see the enormous problems attached to a 2nd referendum. What if Leave wins? What is the question? What if there is a boycott, by Leavers? And what about Labour Leave voters?
There is a minority of Labour MPs who want a 2nd vote, whatever happens. I was not referring to them.
> Just seen this rather sad news:
> https://twitter.com/HD2onPBdotcom/status/1123615086902427653
Who is it?
https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1123472776764035072
Farage being treated like a rockstar. Could he ride this populist wave into government?
> Whoah. Have a look at this
>
> https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1123472776764035072
>
> Farage being treated like a rockstar. Could he ride this populist wave into government?
That stuff about getting everyone to stand is a well-know brainwashing technique. I encountered it once when I was dragged along to some dodgy pyramid-selling scheme.
> Whoah. Have a look at this
>
> https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1123472776764035072
>
> Farage being treated like a rockstar. Could he ride this populist wave into government?
Well it certainly looks like he has white, over 60 vote tied up.
Nightmares are made of less frightening material.
> > @Thayer5 said:
> > Whoah. Have a look at this
> >
> > https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1123472776764035072
> >
> > Farage being treated like a rockstar. Could he ride this populist wave into government?
>
> That stuff about getting everyone to stand is a well-know brainwashing technique. I encountered it once when I was dragged along to some dodgy pyramid-selling scheme.
That's as maybe, but brains are apparently being washed, in Nigel's favour.
I have no liking for the man. His smirks and jeers in the European Parliament are embarrassing. I merely wonder if he could turn into a British Trump. Stranger things have happened - e.g. Trump.
Everyone knows progressive/diverse votes should count double
> > @Stark_Dawning said:
> > > @Thayer5 said:
> > > Whoah. Have a look at this
> > >
> > > ttps://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1123472776764035072
> > >
> > > Farage being treated like a rockstar. Could he ride this populist wave into government?
> >
> > That stuff about getting everyone to stand is a well-know brainwashing technique. I encountered it once when I was dragged along to some dodgy pyramid-selling scheme.
>
> That's as maybe, but brains are apparently being washed, in Nigel's favour.
>
> I have no liking for the man. His smirks and jeers in the European Parliament are embarrassing. I merely wonder if he could turn into a British Trump. Stranger things have happened - e.g. Trump.
Can I suggest that people replying to posts with embeds bugger up the address of the embed by, e.g., taking the h out of https, so it doesn't repeat with every reply?
> Whoah. Have a look at this
>
> https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1123472776764035072
>
> Farage being treated like a rockstar. Could he ride this populist wave into government?
That rock star being Cliff Richard.
> > @Thayer5 said:
> > Whoah. Have a look at this
> >
> > https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1123472776764035072
> >
> > Farage being treated like a rockstar. Could he ride this populist wave into government?
>
> Well it certainly looks like he has white, over 60 vote tied up.
Not a rootless cosmopolitan in sight.
> Whoah. Have a look at this
>
> https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1123472776764035072
>
> Farage being treated like a rockstar. Could he ride this populist wave into government?
I'm not impressed. They just had a by-election in Newport and a pro-Remain Labour candidate was elected. Votes are what matter, not crowds.
> > @Thayer5 said:
> > > @Stark_Dawning said:
> > > > @Thayer5 said:
> > > > Whoah. Have a look at this
> > > >
> > > > ttps://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1123472776764035072
> > > >
> > > > Farage being treated like a rockstar. Could he ride this populist wave into government?
> > >
> > > That stuff about getting everyone to stand is a well-know brainwashing technique. I encountered it once when I was dragged along to some dodgy pyramid-selling scheme.
> >
> > That's as maybe, but brains are apparently being washed, in Nigel's favour.
> >
> > I have no liking for the man. His smirks and jeers in the European Parliament are embarrassing. I merely wonder if he could turn into a British Trump. Stranger things have happened - e.g. Trump.
> Can I suggest that people replying to posts with embeds bugger up the address of the embed by, e.g., taking the h out of https, so it doesn't repeat with every reply?
>
See what I mean?
> > @Thayer5 said:
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> > Whoah. Have a look at this
>
> >
>
> > ttps://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1123472776764035072
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>
>
> >
>
> > Farage being treated like a rockstar. Could he ride this populist wave into government?
>
>
>
> Well it certainly looks like he has white, over 60 vote tied up.
>
> Oh how awful!
>
> Everyone knows progressive/diverse votes should count double
My point was more that Farage will need a wider vote catchment to really win a GE.
Not impossible though if a Trump-like bandwagon takes off, which seems increasingly likely in the UK (well England and Wales anyway).
> Can I suggest that people replying to posts with embeds bugger up the address of the embed by, e.g., taking the h out of https, so it doesn't repeat with every reply?
>
Er, did I do something wrong? Why do we have to do coding to quote someone?
Lightweight! What's the Fast and Furious franchise up to now? 7, 8?
She can do well better than that I reckon.
> > @Thayer5 said:
> > Whoah. Have a look at this
> >
> > ttps://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1123472776764035072
> >
> > Farage being treated like a rockstar. Could he ride this populist wave into government?
>
> Well it certainly looks like he has white, over 60 vote tied up.
That's lazy. Look again. A casual glance shows a lot of younger people in that audience - male and female. It's very white, but then so is Newport? It's probably quite a good cross section of Newport electors - who actually bother to vote.
> See what I mean?
Just tell me what to do so I can quote like everyone else!
> Signing the petition has just ended in Peterborough.
>
> When will the result be announced? This evening surely?
I believe it is being tallied this evening. Should be a very swift process.
I just hope that the good people of Peterborough have done the right thing. She needs to be booted from public life
http://politicalbetting.vanillacommunity.com
https://politicalbetting.vanillacommunity.com/discussion/7557/politicalbetting-com-blog-archive-the-money-goes-on-a-78-year-old-to-take-on-a-74-year-old-at-wh/p2
Regrets, he'll have a few.
> > @Ishmael_Z said:
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> > Can I suggest that people replying to posts with embeds bugger up the address of the embed by, e.g., taking the h out of https, so it doesn't repeat with every reply?
> >
>
>
>
> Er, did I do something wrong? Why do we have to do coding to quote someone?
You don't have to, it's just that we now have nine instances of that tweet showing in this thread. If you think that is too many, you can prevent it happening by breaking the code in the quoted text in your reply by changing https to ttps, or buttocks, or anything else you fancy. This is just a suggestion, though.
Now steer yourself into the thread with
https://politicalbetting.vanillacommunity.com/discussions
I have a nose bleed...
> https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1123630890276540416
>
>
>
> omg!
Bombshell news
> Signing the petition has just ended in Peterborough.
>
> When will the result be announced? This evening surely?
I believe it will be this evening, yes.
> Bloody hell, May just made a decent decision.
>
> I have a nose bleed...
She really has
> Williamson fired!
For Huawei leak. YESSSSSSS!
> Will Williamson continue as an MP after this? It's so embarrassing he may not want to continue in politics.
He has no future in politics as of now
> That letter looks career ending for him.
Sky alleging criminal charges may follow
> > @williamglenn said:
> > That letter looks career ending for him.
>
> Sky alleging criminal charges may follow
Lock him up!....He deserves it.
> Will Williamson continue as an MP after this? It's so embarrassing he may not want to continue in politics.
He could form a new party with Fiona Onasanya.
> > @Big_G_NorthWales said:
> > > @williamglenn said:
> > > That letter looks career ending for him.
> >
> > Sky alleging criminal charges may follow
>
> Lock him up!....He deserves it.
I did say alleging for a reason Dixie