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  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    edited April 2019

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    Plugging that into Electoral Calculus (treating Brexit as UKIP) you get:

    Lab 310
    Con 234
    Lib Dems 29
    SNP 53
    Brexit 1
    PC 3
    Green 1

    Interestingly, if you add UKIP and Brexit, and add the Lib Dems and CHUK, the only change to the prediction is six fewer Conservative seats and six more Lib Dems.
    In reality I would not expect SNP to exceed 40 with Labour on circa 320.
    Why not? Labour would have lost a fifth of their vote from the last election.
    If Labour were to be 8% ahead of the Tories across GB, I would expect that to impact in Scotland. The pro-Union vote would likely swing behind Labour plus gains from SNP in serious expectation of 'getting the Tories out'.
    The Conservatives and Labour combined would be 32% down on last time across the UK. Even if it panned out in Scotland as you hope (which seems improbable to me) Labour would be running up a down escalator. They would be losing, not gaining, seats in Scotland.
    I can only give my genuine opinion on this , but I doubt that the Brexit Party would make much impact in Scotland anyway.I think it is a mistake to extrapolate from the data in a GB -wide poll , and to seek to apply it to a region such as Scotland where the dynamics are likely to be significantly different. I happen to believe that if Labour is perceived to be 'winning' the election across GB , it will benefit from that perception in Scotland.
  • dodradedodrade Posts: 595
    Sean_F said:

    Its pretty sad if people are so close minded they wont date somebody based on a particular vote. Mrs U and I have regularly voted for different political parties.

    My wife and I voted differently over Brexit, but we're still together. So did my mother and father. Not everything is about politics.
    Didn't Atlee's wife vote Conservative?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,723
    1922 ask TM to set out a clear timetable for her departure

    Apr 24th not today
    April 25th no
    April 26th having hair done so no
    April 27th not today
    April 28th too soon
    May 1st 63 and a half yrs old today so no
    May 2nd busy voting so no
    May 23rd busy voting or not but definitely not the right time
    June too close to holidays so staying
    etc etc etc
  • Off Topic: I too was amazed at the leaks coming out about Huawei and 5G - but the other way, in that ministers had overridden advice (and 5-eyes pressure) to allow Huawei equipment. Seems really foolish to me. Now ministers want a leak enquiry: seems a bit like the local slapper complaining about someone else's lack of virtue.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48043600
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,623

    1922 ask TM to set out a clear timetable for her departure

    Apr 24th not today
    April 25th no
    April 26th having hair done so no
    April 27th not today
    April 28th too soon
    May 1st 63 and a half yrs old today so no
    May 2nd busy voting so no
    May 23rd busy voting or not but definitely not the right time
    June too close to holidays so staying
    etc etc etc

    Could have been worse, they could have asked her to set out a clear timetable for her to set out her clear timetable for her departure. Or something.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,688

    justin124 said:

    What muppets the 1922 Committee are. They’d rather have a Marxist like Corbyn as PM than a Brexiteer like Boris. Keeping May in place can only be good for Corbyn and McDonnell. RIP the Conservative Party. Labour will wreck the country and there are no Tory MPs who voted to keep May in place who deserve to retain their seats.

    Wreck the country!!

    They have been beaten to it by Cameron and May
    Very funny - after the car crash that was Brown, you mean. Labour have always wrecked the economy and emulating Venezuela as Corbyn and McDonnell seek to do is simply insane.
    Always? Labour inherited a mess from the Tories in 1964 for which outgoing Tory Chancellor - Reginald Maudling - apologised to his Labour successor. When Wilson's Government left office in June 1970 , it bequeathed both a strong Balance of Payments surplus and a Budget Surplus to Ted Heath. No outgoing Tory Government has managed to do either! Indeed , in March 1974 Labour was faced with the 3-Day Week - 13.5% inflation - a big Balance of Payments Deficit and weak Public Finances - a scenario far worse than inherited by Thatcher in May 1979.
    Er, Labour’s grand 1964 National Plan caused the devaluation of 1967 which wrecked the economy. The 3 day week started under Heath’s Gov as Unions sought to bring him down and Thatcher was elected because Callaghan was patently unfit for office as shown by the Winter of Discontent.
    Labour's economic record in government is awful. Their newfound policies are mainly built around the failures of their past - stupid people.

  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    dodrade said:

    Sean_F said:

    Its pretty sad if people are so close minded they wont date somebody based on a particular vote. Mrs U and I have regularly voted for different political parties.

    My wife and I voted differently over Brexit, but we're still together. So did my mother and father. Not everything is about politics.
    Didn't Atlee's wife vote Conservative?
    Violet Attlee was rumoured to be a Tory - and Clemmie Churchill was apparently a lifelong Liberal!
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,695
    isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:
    Are we sure he wrote thar? Or has he been taken hostage and seamus millne authored it? I dont think i have ever heard adonis talk about being a socialist.
    Is it fake news? Its on his facebook page, but for all I know he doesn't write that
    https://twitter.com/Andrew_Adonis/status/1120683213742067718
    Wriggle, wriggle, wriggle...
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,083
    Scott_P said:
    So there were 27 of them. Or some multiple thereof.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,614

    Off Topic: I too was amazed at the leaks coming out about Huawei and 5G - but the other way, in that ministers had overridden advice (and 5-eyes pressure) to allow Huawei equipment. Seems really foolish to me. Now ministers want a leak enquiry: seems a bit like the local slapper complaining about someone else's lack of virtue.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48043600

    It’s a difficult one this, because the ‘Western’ manufacturers are all way behind with their development of 5G technology. The choice is either to go with the Chinese kit, or delay the entire 5G rollout by what could be at least a couple of years. I can only assume that the spooks are confident they can identify and intercept any anomalous traffic from the Huawei kit.
  • isamisam Posts: 40,731
    GIN1138 said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:
    Are we sure he wrote thar? Or has he been taken hostage and seamus millne authored it? I dont think i have ever heard adonis talk about being a socialist.
    Is it fake news? Its on his facebook page, but for all I know he doesn't write that
    https://twitter.com/Andrew_Adonis/status/1120683213742067718
    Wriggle, wriggle, wriggle...
    "Misspoke"?

    TOP DEFINITION
    misspoke
    Clinton-speak. A euphemism used when you have lied and get caught out.

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=misspoke
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Omnium said:

    justin124 said:

    What muppets the 1922 Committee are. They’d rather have a Marxist like Corbyn as PM than a Brexiteer like Boris. Keeping May in place can only be good for Corbyn and McDonnell. RIP the Conservative Party. Labour will wreck the country and there are no Tory MPs who voted to keep May in place who deserve to retain their seats.

    Wreck the country!!

    They have been beaten to it by Cameron and May
    Very funny - after the car crash that was Brown, you mean. Labour have always wrecked the economy and emulating Venezuela as Corbyn and McDonnell seek to do is simply insane.
    Always? Labour inherited a mess from the Tories in 1964 for which outgoing Tory Chancellor - Reginald Maudling - apologised to his Labour successor. When Wilson's Government left office in June 1970 , it bequeathed both a strong Balance of Payments surplus and a Budget Surplus to Ted Heath. No outgoing Tory Government has managed to do either! Indeed , in March 1974 Labour was faced with the 3-Day Week - 13.5% inflation - a big Balance of Payments Deficit and weak Public Finances - a scenario far worse than inherited by Thatcher in May 1979.
    Er, Labour’s grand 1964 National Plan caused the devaluation of 1967 which wrecked the economy. The 3 day week started under Heath’s Gov as Unions sought to bring him down and Thatcher was elected because Callaghan was patently unfit for office as shown by the Winter of Discontent.
    Labour's economic record in government is awful. Their newfound policies are mainly built around the failures of their past - stupid people.

    No Tory Government has been able to pass on either a Balance of Payments Surplus or a Budget Surplus to its Labour successor. In 1970, Labour did both!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 48,921
    _Anazina_ said:

    Norm said:

    GIN1138 said:

    TGOHF said:
    Nine to seven with the chief whip in the room throwing daggers at the members?

    Ringing endorsement in Theresa May. Not. :D
    Well exactly it bears out what I said below. She is hanging on by her fingertips - the ERG is irrelevant in this. The mainstream of the party now thinks she has to go. The only question is when.
    Zzzz.

    That has been the case since forever. The Tory Party can’t even knife their leader properly these days. It really is laughable.
    Labour tried to knife their leader in 2016 :)
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,083
    TM and BJ are a great team.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,575
    isam said:

    GIN1138 said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:
    Are we sure he wrote thar? Or has he been taken hostage and seamus millne authored it? I dont think i have ever heard adonis talk about being a socialist.
    Is it fake news? Its on his facebook page, but for all I know he doesn't write that
    https://twitter.com/Andrew_Adonis/status/1120683213742067718
    Wriggle, wriggle, wriggle...
    "Misspoke"?

    TOP DEFINITION
    misspoke
    Clinton-speak. A euphemism used when you have lied and get caught out.

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=misspoke
    Bit out of date, that one.
    https://crooksandliars.com/2019/04/sarah-huckabee-sanders-lies-about-her-lie
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Scott_P said:
    He’s supporting another party now. Why should he care?
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352

    Scott_P said:
    He’s supporting another party now. Why should he care?
    Who are you supporting? :)
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    justin124 said:

    Plugging that into Electoral Calculus (treating Brexit as UKIP) you get:

    Lab 310
    Con 234
    Lib Dems 29
    SNP 53
    Brexit 1
    PC 3
    Green 1

    Interestingly, if you add UKIP and Brexit, and add the Lib Dems and CHUK, the only change to the prediction is six fewer Conservative seats and six more Lib Dems.
    In reality I would not expect SNP to exceed 40 with Labour on circa 320.
    Why not? Labour would have lost a fifth of their vote from the last election.
    Because SLab defy polling gravity in Justin's world.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    I believe there may have been a goal in a minor regional derby...
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Scott_P said:
    He’s supporting another party now. Why should he care?
    Who are you supporting? :)
    I’m pretty disengaged at the moment, since you ask. I spoiled my ballot paper in 2017. I’ll vote in the local election on local matters. In the Euros I’ll probably vote for the TIGgers but that’s as much to take the chance to do so to add to the range of parties I’ve voted for (I might not get another chance) as any great sympathy with them.

    Next time I”ll find whatever way I can to vote most effectively against Bernard Jenkin.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    I believe there may have been a goal in a minor regional derby...

    Will TSE be changing his avatar again?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,695

    _Anazina_ said:

    Norm said:

    GIN1138 said:

    TGOHF said:
    Nine to seven with the chief whip in the room throwing daggers at the members?

    Ringing endorsement in Theresa May. Not. :D
    Well exactly it bears out what I said below. She is hanging on by her fingertips - the ERG is irrelevant in this. The mainstream of the party now thinks she has to go. The only question is when.
    Zzzz.

    That has been the case since forever. The Tory Party can’t even knife their leader properly these days. It really is laughable.
    Labour tried to knife their leader in 2016 :)
    Careful, I got told off by Big G for using the "knife" analogy earlier! :D
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,614
    Double feck.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,772
    Sandpit said:

    Double feck.

    De Gea has made so many mistakes recently.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Alistair said:

    justin124 said:

    Plugging that into Electoral Calculus (treating Brexit as UKIP) you get:

    Lab 310
    Con 234
    Lib Dems 29
    SNP 53
    Brexit 1
    PC 3
    Green 1

    Interestingly, if you add UKIP and Brexit, and add the Lib Dems and CHUK, the only change to the prediction is six fewer Conservative seats and six more Lib Dems.
    In reality I would not expect SNP to exceed 40 with Labour on circa 320.
    Why not? Labour would have lost a fifth of their vote from the last election.
    Because SLab defy polling gravity in Justin's world.
    A few days ago.I actually provided polling data from Survation and Panelbase from last June.Perhaps you might care to look at it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,575
    This is a fairly astonishing statistic - only a quarter of Germans have any idea of who Manfred Weber, their candidate for the EU presidency, is...
    https://www.politico.eu/article/manfred-weber-germans-poll/
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,958

    I believe there may have been a goal in a minor regional derby...

    Will TSE be changing his avatar again?
    Unless the 1922 change the rules, he has to keep that avatar for 12 months......
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    Scott_P said:
    He’s supporting another party now. Why should he care?
    Who are you supporting? :)
    I’m pretty disengaged at the moment, since you ask. I spoiled my ballot paper in 2017. I’ll vote in the local election on local matters. In the Euros I’ll probably vote for the TIGgers but that’s as much to take the chance to do so to add to the range of parties I’ve voted for (I might not get another chance) as any great sympathy with them.

    Next time I”ll find whatever way I can to vote most effectively against Bernard Jenkin.
    At the next GE I shall be spoiling my ballot paper.
  • PloppikinsPloppikins Posts: 126

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    Plugging that into Electoral Calculus (treating Brexit as UKIP) you get:

    Lab 310
    Con 234
    Lib Dems 29
    SNP 53
    Brexit 1
    PC 3
    Green 1

    Interestingly, if you add UKIP and Brexit, and add the Lib Dems and CHUK, the only change to the prediction is six fewer Conservative seats and six more Lib Dems.
    In reality I would not expect SNP to exceed 40 with Labour on circa 320.
    Why not? Labour would have lost a fifth of their vote from the last election.
    If Labour were to be 8% ahead of the Tories across GB, I would expect that to impact in Scotland. The pro-Union vote would likely swing behind Labour plus gains from SNP in serious expectation of 'getting the Tories out'.
    The Conservatives and Labour combined would be 32% down on last time across the UK. Even if it panned out in Scotland as you hope (which seems improbable to me) Labour would be running up a down escalator. They would be losing, not gaining, seats in Scotland.
    Plus the Tories would likely hold up in Scotland where they regularly poll in the mid 20s anyway. Scottish voters seem to be more concerned with indy than brexit. Look how the Scot Tories defied the national picture in GE17. Scots aren't particularly sympathetic to Lab at the moment.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,772
    Nigelb said:

    This is a fairly astonishing statistic - only a quarter of Germans have any idea of who Manfred Weber, their candidate for the EU presidency, is...
    https://www.politico.eu/article/manfred-weber-germans-poll/

    It’s democracy Jim, but not as we know it.
  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201
    edited April 2019
    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    Double feck.

    De Gea has made so many mistakes recently.
    He will be good again as soon as his new 450K a week contract is agreed.
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    edited April 2019
    When it rains it pours.

    https://www.twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1121121004175097856

    Edit; Actually his reply is not entirely clear. Is he advising the gay MPs to undergo conversion therapy?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,958

    Off Topic: I too was amazed at the leaks coming out about Huawei and 5G - but the other way, in that ministers had overridden advice (and 5-eyes pressure) to allow Huawei equipment. Seems really foolish to me. Now ministers want a leak enquiry: seems a bit like the local slapper complaining about someone else's lack of virtue.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48043600

    Maybe a Huawei phone was the source of the leak?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,614
    Nigelb said:

    This is a fairly astonishing statistic - only a quarter of Germans have any idea of who Manfred Weber, their candidate for the EU presidency, is...
    https://www.politico.eu/article/manfred-weber-germans-poll/

    The problem is that it’s not particularly astonishing. It’s yet another example of how the EU elites move in their own circles, completely unencumbered by the need to win the support of the people they will rule over.

    How many outside Luxembourg had heard of J-C Junker, before he got the top job?
  • isamisam Posts: 40,731
    edited April 2019
    They must be trolling us now? Three wronguns in less than 48 hours is outdoing the Kippers in the glory years of 2014/15
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,614
    isam said:

    They must be trolling us now? Three wronguns in less than 48 hours is outdoing the Kippers in the glory years of 2014/15
    I hope they’re asking for a refund from the social media consultants they used to vet the candidates?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,789
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is a fairly astonishing statistic - only a quarter of Germans have any idea of who Manfred Weber, their candidate for the EU presidency, is...
    https://www.politico.eu/article/manfred-weber-germans-poll/

    The problem is that it’s not particularly astonishing. It’s yet another example of how the EU elites move in their own circles, completely unencumbered by the need to win the support of the people they will rule over.

    How many outside Luxembourg had heard of J-C Junker, before he got the top job?
    Recognition rates for politicians are fairly low generally.

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2015/09/23/cabinet-recognition
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,772
    edited April 2019

    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    Double feck.

    De Gea has made so many mistakes recently.
    He will be good again as soon as his new 450K a week contract is agreed.
    He’s not exactly earning it
  • I believe there may have been a goal in a minor regional derby...

    Will TSE be changing his avatar again?
    Yes.
  • Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is a fairly astonishing statistic - only a quarter of Germans have any idea of who Manfred Weber, their candidate for the EU presidency, is...
    https://www.politico.eu/article/manfred-weber-germans-poll/

    The problem is that it’s not particularly astonishing. It’s yet another example of how the EU elites move in their own circles, completely unencumbered by the need to win the support of the people they will rule over.

    How many outside Luxembourg had heard of J-C Junker, before he got the top job?
    How many people really know anything about the MEPs they have to vote in? We have never taken the EU parliament seriously. Maybe if they'd been more connected to us, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now.
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    isam said:

    They must be trolling us now? Three wronguns in less than 48 hours is outdoing the Kippers in the glory years of 2014/15
    Four in fact;

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/change-uk-launch-nora-mulready-islam-muslims-tommy-robinson-a8883946.html
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,614

    I believe there may have been a goal in a minor regional derby...

    Will TSE be changing his avatar again?
    Yes.
    We’re going to get 97 points and come second, aren’t we?

    Oh well, there’s always Ol’ Big Ears to win back. Bring on Barça!
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,688
    justin124 said:

    Omnium said:

    justin124 said:

    What muppets the 1922 Committee are. They’d rather have a Marxist like Corbyn as PM than a Brexiteer like Boris. Keeping May in place can only be good for Corbyn and McDonnell. RIP the Conservative Party. Labour will wreck the country and there are no Tory MPs who voted to keep May in place who deserve to retain their seats.

    Wreck the country!!

    They have been beaten to it by Cameron and May
    Very funny - after the car crash that was Brown, you mean. Labour have always wrecked the economy and emulating Venezuela as Corbyn and McDonnell seek to do is simply insane.
    Always? Labour inherited a mess from the Tories in 1964 for which outgoing Tory Chancellor - Reginald Maudling - apologised to his Labour successor. When Wilson's Government left office in June 1970 , it bequeathed both a strong Balance of Payments surplus and a Budget Surplus to Ted Heath. No outgoing Tory Government has managed to do either! Indeed , in March 1974 Labour was faced with the 3-Day Week - 13.5% inflation - a big Balance of Payments Deficit and weak Public Finances - a scenario far worse than inherited by Thatcher in May 1979.
    Er, Labour’s grand 1964 National Plan caused the devaluation of 1967 which wrecked the economy. The 3 day week started under Heath’s Gov as Unions sought to bring him down and Thatcher was elected because Callaghan was patently unfit for office as shown by the Winter of Discontent.
    Labour's economic record in government is awful. Their newfound policies are mainly built around the failures of their past - stupid people.

    No Tory Government has been able to pass on either a Balance of Payments Surplus or a Budget Surplus to its Labour successor. In 1970, Labour did both!
    I can't imagine it's untrue if you say so, but I equally can't imagine why you might wish to defend a bunch of economic illiterates when. most surely, you can see the the patterns for yourself.
  • Sandpit said:

    I believe there may have been a goal in a minor regional derby...

    Will TSE be changing his avatar again?
    Yes.
    We’re going to get 97 points and come second, aren’t we?

    Oh well, there’s always Ol’ Big Ears to win back. Bring on Barça!
    Yes, but

    https://twitter.com/AahadA/status/1121152279984463874

    Or Brendan Rodgers engineers a Leicester victory/draw at the Etihad.
  • isamisam Posts: 40,731

    isam said:

    They must be trolling us now? Three wronguns in less than 48 hours is outdoing the Kippers in the glory years of 2014/15
    Four in fact;

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/change-uk-launch-nora-mulready-islam-muslims-tommy-robinson-a8883946.html
    Crazy. Could they all be Kipper/Brexit plants to destroy their credibility?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,772
    The sad thing is that we have played a lot worse than this recently.
  • DavidL said:

    The sad thing is that we have played a lot worse than this recently.

    Ole Ole Ole! Out out out! The fans'll want Giggs in by the end of the season!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,069

    Sandpit said:

    I believe there may have been a goal in a minor regional derby...

    Will TSE be changing his avatar again?
    Yes.
    We’re going to get 97 points and come second, aren’t we?

    Oh well, there’s always Ol’ Big Ears to win back. Bring on Barça!
    Yes, but

    https://twitter.com/AahadA/status/1121152279984463874

    Or Brendan Rodgers engineers a Leicester victory/draw at the Etihad.
    We are one of the few teams to beat Man City this season :)
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,614
    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    I believe there may have been a goal in a minor regional derby...

    Will TSE be changing his avatar again?
    Yes.
    We’re going to get 97 points and come second, aren’t we?

    Oh well, there’s always Ol’ Big Ears to win back. Bring on Barça!
    Yes, but

    https://twitter.com/AahadA/status/1121152279984463874

    Or Brendan Rodgers engineers a Leicester victory/draw at the Etihad.
    We are one of the few teams to beat Man City this season :)
    Please do it again!
  • Sean_F said:

    Its pretty sad if people are so close minded they wont date somebody based on a particular vote. Mrs U and I have regularly voted for different political parties.

    My wife and I voted differently over Brexit, but we're still together. So did my mother and father. Not everything is about politics.
    i voted differently from my wife. my mother voted differently from her identical twin.
  • Ole Gunnar Solskjær a pound shop Roberto Di Matteo (sans the European Cup and FA Cup victories?)

    OGS sacked by December?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,069

    DavidL said:

    The sad thing is that we have played a lot worse than this recently.

    Ole Ole Ole! Out out out! The fans'll want Giggs in by the end of the season!
    Solskjar is Man United's Craig Shakespeare.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    Nigelb said:

    This is a fairly astonishing statistic - only a quarter of Germans have any idea of who Manfred Weber, their candidate for the EU presidency, is...
    https://www.politico.eu/article/manfred-weber-germans-poll/

    The truth is other than at a national parliament level no-one knows who anyone is. I suspect a similar % of people could name their Council leader, and the local elections are in a week or so.
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is a fairly astonishing statistic - only a quarter of Germans have any idea of who Manfred Weber, their candidate for the EU presidency, is...
    https://www.politico.eu/article/manfred-weber-germans-poll/

    The problem is that it’s not particularly astonishing. It’s yet another example of how the EU elites move in their own circles, completely unencumbered by the need to win the support of the people they will rule over.

    How many outside Luxembourg had heard of J-C Junker, before he got the top job?
    How many people really know anything about the MEPs they have to vote in? We have never taken the EU parliament seriously. Maybe if they'd been more connected to us, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now.
    They used to be elected by FPTP and had a direct link to a geographical area that they had singly 'won' until the way we elected them changed in 1999. I always thought the change was to mitigate Labour losses in 1999 compared to an exceptional good Labour result in 1994. Labour were at that time so obsessed with managing the media and the publics perception they would do anything to keep the honeymoon going. After all it was the same Labour Government that later introduced postal voting to sustain them in power for longer. The up-shot of changing away from FPTP was to create a platform for Farage, if the form of PR used in European elections was never introduced we might not have Brexit as an issue. Sure some would rant about the EU but if they have no platform or public office to attack from they have no reason for public attention. Farage would probably have remained on the fringes but concentrating on making money rather than publicity....
  • Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    I believe there may have been a goal in a minor regional derby...

    Will TSE be changing his avatar again?
    Yes.
    We’re going to get 97 points and come second, aren’t we?

    Oh well, there’s always Ol’ Big Ears to win back. Bring on Barça!
    Yes, but

    https://twitter.com/AahadA/status/1121152279984463874

    Or Brendan Rodgers engineers a Leicester victory/draw at the Etihad.
    We are one of the few teams to beat Man City this season :)
    As The Chemical Brothers sang* 'Do It Again.'

    *I know The Chemical Brothers didn't sing it, think it was Ali Love.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281

    Ole Gunnar Solskjær a pound shop Roberto Di Matteo (sans the European Cup and FA Cup victories?)

    OGS sacked by December?

    Fitting avatar TSE... She was PM when Liverpool last won the League. :smile:
  • Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is a fairly astonishing statistic - only a quarter of Germans have any idea of who Manfred Weber, their candidate for the EU presidency, is...
    https://www.politico.eu/article/manfred-weber-germans-poll/

    The problem is that it’s not particularly astonishing. It’s yet another example of how the EU elites move in their own circles, completely unencumbered by the need to win the support of the people they will rule over.

    How many outside Luxembourg had heard of J-C Junker, before he got the top job?
    How many people really know anything about the MEPs they have to vote in? We have never taken the EU parliament seriously. Maybe if they'd been more connected to us, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now.
    They used to be elected by FPTP and had a direct link to a geographical area that they had singly 'won' until the way we elected them changed in 1999. I always thought the change was to mitigate Labour losses in 1999 compared to an exceptional good Labour result in 1994. Labour were at that time so obsessed with managing the media and the publics perception they would do anything to keep the honeymoon going. After all it was the same Labour Government that later introduced postal voting to sustain them in power for longer. The up-shot of changing away from FPTP was to create a platform for Farage, if the form of PR used in European elections was never introduced we might not have Brexit as an issue. Sure some would rant about the EU but if they have no platform or public office to attack from they have no reason for public attention. Farage would probably have remained on the fringes but concentrating on making money rather than publicity....
    You seem upset that other voices were allowed to have a dissenting opinion about the EU.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,772

    Ole Gunnar Solskjær a pound shop Roberto Di Matteo (sans the European Cup and FA Cup victories?)

    OGS sacked by December?

    It’s not looking great but we have to give Ole a chance to offload some of the crap we have accumulated and bring in some new blood.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,765
    isam said:

    isam said:

    They must be trolling us now? Three wronguns in less than 48 hours is outdoing the Kippers in the glory years of 2014/15
    Four in fact;

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/change-uk-launch-nora-mulready-islam-muslims-tommy-robinson-a8883946.html
    Crazy. Could they all be Kipper/Brexit plants to destroy their credibility?
    TBF, I think it would massively hypocritical for people on our side to criticise Nora Mulready for making similar arguments to Douglas Murray or Michael Gove. But, it won't help them with their target voters.
  • DavidL said:

    Ole Gunnar Solskjær a pound shop Roberto Di Matteo (sans the European Cup and FA Cup victories?)

    OGS sacked by December?

    It’s not looking great but we have to give Ole a chance to offload some of the crap we have accumulated and bring in some new blood.
    Ole ain't the man for that. He's only got the job because he's a "legend".
  • Ole Gunnar Solskjær a pound shop Roberto Di Matteo (sans the European Cup and FA Cup victories?)

    OGS sacked by December?

    Not at all. Kept it in Manchester

    Remind me, how many times have Liverpool won the premier league

    And of course no Mo Salah next year
  • DavidL said:

    The sad thing is that we have played a lot worse than this recently.

    Ole Ole Ole! Out out out! The fans'll want Giggs in by the end of the season!
    Not this one. Ole has three years
  • Ole Gunnar Solskjær a pound shop Roberto Di Matteo (sans the European Cup and FA Cup victories?)

    OGS sacked by December?

    Not at all. Kept it in Manchester

    Remind me, how many times have Liverpool won the premier league

    And of course no Mo Salah next year
    Salah is staying, did you not see the tweet from his agent last week.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,772

    DavidL said:

    Ole Gunnar Solskjær a pound shop Roberto Di Matteo (sans the European Cup and FA Cup victories?)

    OGS sacked by December?

    It’s not looking great but we have to give Ole a chance to offload some of the crap we have accumulated and bring in some new blood.
    Ole ain't the man for that. He's only got the job because he's a "legend".
    Plus winning about 8 in a row.
  • Just think the six year contract David Moyes signed when he became Manchester United manager runs out this summer.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,623
    I don't know why anyone would want to be a football manager, it's probably the most fickle environment you can get in terms of your own personal job security.
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    edited April 2019

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is a fairly astonishing statistic - only a quarter of Germans have any idea of who Manfred Weber, their candidate for the EU presidency, is...
    https://www.politico.eu/article/manfred-weber-germans-poll/

    The problem is that it’s not particularly astonishing. It’s yet another example of how the EU elites move in their own circles, completely unencumbered by the need to win the support of the people they will rule over.

    How many outside Luxembourg had heard of J-C Junker, before he got the top job?
    How many people really know anything about the MEPs they have to vote in? We have never taken the EU parliament seriously. Maybe if they'd been more connected to us, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now.
    They used to be elected by FPTP and had a direct link to a geographical area that they had singly 'won' until the way we elected them changed in 1999. I always thought the change was to mitigate Labour losses in 1999 compared to an exceptional good Labour result in 1994. Labour were at that time so obsessed with managing the media and the publics perception they would do anything to keep the honeymoon going. After all it was the same Labour Government that later introduced postal voting to sustain them in power for longer. The up-shot of changing away from FPTP was to create a platform for Farage, if the form of PR used in European elections was never introduced we might not have Brexit as an issue. Sure some would rant about the EU but if they have no platform or public office to attack from they have no reason for public attention. Farage would probably have remained on the fringes but concentrating on making money rather than publicity....
    You seem upset that other voices were allowed to have a dissenting opinion about the EU.
    The thing that upsets me is Brexit, not people's view of the EU. I am for instance someone who thinks we should be on the periphery and not joining the Euro, Schengen etc. My point is that PR opened the way for Farage and later the BNP. Under FPTP the Greens got 15% of the vote IIRC in 1989 but their influence has remained peripheral.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,069

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is a fairly astonishing statistic - only a quarter of Germans have any idea of who Manfred Weber, their candidate for the EU presidency, is...
    https://www.politico.eu/article/manfred-weber-germans-poll/

    The problem is that it’s not particularly astonishing. It’s yet another example of how the EU elites move in their own circles, completely unencumbered by the need to win the support of the people they will rule over.

    How many outside Luxembourg had heard of J-C Junker, before he got the top job?
    How many people really know anything about the MEPs they have to vote in? We have never taken the EU parliament seriously. Maybe if they'd been more connected to us, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now.
    Maybe if we hadn't elected a bunch of absentee dickheads like Farage, our MEPs could have achieved something.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,041
    isam said:

    They must be trolling us now? Three wronguns in less than 48 hours is outdoing the Kippers in the glory years of 2014/15
    What are the odds that Chuka and Anna are having second thoughts tonight?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281

    Just think the six year contract David Moyes signed when he became Manchester United manager runs out this summer.

    29 years and counting.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Ole Gunnar Solskjær a pound shop Roberto Di Matteo (sans the European Cup and FA Cup victories?)

    OGS sacked by December?

    It’s not looking great but we have to give Ole a chance to offload some of the crap we have accumulated and bring in some new blood.
    Ole ain't the man for that. He's only got the job because he's a "legend".
    Plus winning about 8 in a row.

  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,765

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is a fairly astonishing statistic - only a quarter of Germans have any idea of who Manfred Weber, their candidate for the EU presidency, is...
    https://www.politico.eu/article/manfred-weber-germans-poll/

    The problem is that it’s not particularly astonishing. It’s yet another example of how the EU elites move in their own circles, completely unencumbered by the need to win the support of the people they will rule over.

    How many outside Luxembourg had heard of J-C Junker, before he got the top job?
    How many people really know anything about the MEPs they have to vote in? We have never taken the EU parliament seriously. Maybe if they'd been more connected to us, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now.
    They used to be elected by FPTP and had a direct link to a geographical area that they had singly 'won' until the way we elected them changed in 1999. I always thought the change was to mitigate Labour losses in 1999 compared to an exceptional good Labour result in 1994. Labour were at that time so obsessed with managing the media and the publics perception they would do anything to keep the honeymoon going. After all it was the same Labour Government that later introduced postal voting to sustain them in power for longer. The up-shot of changing away from FPTP was to create a platform for Farage, if the form of PR used in European elections was never introduced we might not have Brexit as an issue. Sure some would rant about the EU but if they have no platform or public office to attack from they have no reason for public attention. Farage would probably have remained on the fringes but concentrating on making money rather than publicity....
    You seem upset that other voices were allowed to have a dissenting opinion about the EU.
    The thing that upsets me is Brexit, not people's view of the EU. I am for instance someone who thinks we should be on the periphery and not joining the Euro, Schengen etc. My point is that PR opened the way for Farage and later the BNP. Under FPTP the Greens got 15% of the vote IIRC in 1989 but their influence has remained peripheral.
    From 2004, UKIP would have won seats under FPTP, and loads in 2014.
  • TrèsDifficileTrèsDifficile Posts: 1,729
    If people die due to medicine shortages caused by stockpiling of medicines by idiots motivated by scaremongering Remainiacs, will those be avoidable deaths because of Brexit?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281

    isam said:

    They must be trolling us now? Three wronguns in less than 48 hours is outdoing the Kippers in the glory years of 2014/15
    What are the odds that Chuka and Anna are having second thoughts tonight?
    Possibly, but I think the next GE currently looks a long way off... anything could happen between now and May 2022.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281

    If people die due to medicine shortages caused by stockpiling of medicines by idiots motivated by scaremongering Remainiacs, will those be avoidable deaths because of Brexit?

    Yes
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,069

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    I believe there may have been a goal in a minor regional derby...

    Will TSE be changing his avatar again?
    Yes.
    We’re going to get 97 points and come second, aren’t we?

    Oh well, there’s always Ol’ Big Ears to win back. Bring on Barça!
    Yes, but

    https://twitter.com/AahadA/status/1121152279984463874

    Or Brendan Rodgers engineers a Leicester victory/draw at the Etihad.
    We are one of the few teams to beat Man City this season :)
    As The Chemical Brothers sang* 'Do It Again.'

    *I know The Chemical Brothers didn't sing it, think it was Ali Love.
    We have struggled against teams that park the bus, but have done well against more attacking teams. Arsenal should be fun on Sunday.

    Fred must be the worst value signing of the season.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 4,784

    Ole Gunnar Solskjær a pound shop Roberto Di Matteo (sans the European Cup and FA Cup victories?)

    OGS sacked by December?

    Perhaps. After all he's a junior manager without a hefty previous CV to save him. But, be won all those games at the beginning, masterminded the PSG comeback so even if it has and does go titsup from that point on, his legend status will not now sour. And it was the correct move those few weeks ago.

    More so than even players United need to use OGS presence to structure club as they want without a big, old school ego preventing that.
  • Just think the six year contract David Moyes signed when he became Manchester United manager runs out this summer.

    You sound a little upset this evening. As a United supporter I am relaxed and will await next season with interest
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941
    3-0 to the TIGgers, it seems :D
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    I believe there may have been a goal in a minor regional derby...

    Will TSE be changing his avatar again?
    Yes.
    We’re going to get 97 points and come second, aren’t we?

    Oh well, there’s always Ol’ Big Ears to win back. Bring on Barça!
    Yes, but

    https://twitter.com/AahadA/status/1121152279984463874

    Or Brendan Rodgers engineers a Leicester victory/draw at the Etihad.
    We are one of the few teams to beat Man City this season :)
    As The Chemical Brothers sang* 'Do It Again.'

    *I know The Chemical Brothers didn't sing it, think it was Ali Love.
    We have struggled against teams that park the bus, but have done well against more attacking teams. Arsenal should be fun on Sunday.

    Fred must be the worst value signing of the season.
    Hard to recall the most recent 'good' signing United have made... Luke Shaw in 2014 maybe?
  • AmpfieldAndyAmpfieldAndy Posts: 1,445
    edited April 2019

    Just think the six year contract David Moyes signed when he became Manchester United manager runs out this summer.

    And what has Koop got to show for all the money he’s spent ? Nothing. OGS hasn’t been in the job 5 minutes. No good blaming UTD for your team’s inadequacies.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281

    Just think the six year contract David Moyes signed when he became Manchester United manager runs out this summer.

    You sound a little upset this evening. As a United supporter I am relaxed and will await next season with interest
    Me too. A good summer clear-out of dead wood required though.
  • AmpfieldAndyAmpfieldAndy Posts: 1,445
    RobD said:

    3-0 to the TIGgers, it seems :D

    Tells you why they want the EU to run things here. Not much the TIGgers could organise in a brewery.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 113,969
    edited April 2019

    Just think the six year contract David Moyes signed when he became Manchester United manager runs out this summer.

    And what has Koop got to show for all the money he’s spent ? Nothing. OGS hasn’t been in the job 5 minutes. No good blaming UTD for your team’s inadequacies.
    Inadequacies?

    We're likely to finish on 97 points.

    Klopp's net spend is circa £120 million in four years.

    City's under Pep is close to £600 million

    United's since Klopp took over Pool is close to £400 million.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281

    RobD said:

    3-0 to the TIGgers, it seems :D

    Tells you why they want the EU to run things here. Not much the TIGgers could organise in a brewery.
    Unlike those masters of organisation, the ERG :lol:
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    edited April 2019
    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is a fairly astonishing statistic - only a quarter of Germans have any idea of who Manfred Weber, their candidate for the EU presidency, is...
    https://www.politico.eu/article/manfred-weber-germans-poll/


    How many outside Luxembourg had heard of J-C Junker, before he got the top job?
    They used to be elected by FPTP and had a direct link to a geographical area that they had singly 'won' until the way we elected them changed in 1999. I always thought the change was to mitigate Labour losses in 1999 compared to an exceptional good Labour result in 1994. Labour were at that time so obsessed with managing the media and the publics perception they would do anything to keep the honeymoon going. After all it was the same Labour Government that later introduced postal voting to sustain them in power for longer. The up-shot of changing away from FPTP was to create a platform for Farage, if the form of PR used in European elections was never introduced we might not have Brexit as an issue. Sure some would rant about the EU but if they have no platform or public office to attack from they have no reason for public attention. Farage would probably have remained on the fringes but concentrating on making money rather than publicity....
    You seem upset that other voices were allowed to have a dissenting opinion about the EU.
    The thing that upsets me is Brexit, not people's view of the EU. I am for instance someone who thinks we should be on the periphery and not joining the Euro, Schengen etc. My point is that PR opened the way for Farage and later the BNP. Under FPTP the Greens got 15% of the vote IIRC in 1989 but their influence has remained peripheral.
    From 2004, UKIP would have won seats under FPTP, and loads in 2014.
    Maybe but if they had never had the breakthrough in 1999 under PR, I doubt we would have heard of Farage. A FPTP European election district was huge. You could never as a candidate meet more than a tiny percentage of the electorate and as it covered hundreds of thousands of people: a minor party with few resources, campaign machinery or people to canvass would find it hard to make any inroads. Canvassing is going to be the main way to persuade people to vote whereas PR opens the way to advertising your message to an electorate in other ways. If PR had not been introduced in 1999, the Tories would likely have won more seats and become competitive nationally sooner as the tide turned again.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281

    Just think the six year contract David Moyes signed when he became Manchester United manager runs out this summer.

    And what has Koop got to show for all the money he’s spent ? Nothing. OGS hasn’t been in the job 5 minutes. No good blaming UTD for your team’s inadequacies.
    Inadequacies?

    We're likely to finish on 97 points.

    Klopp's net spend is circa £120 million in four years.

    City's under Pep is close to £600 million
    Our thoughts are with you at this difficult time.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,069

    Just think the six year contract David Moyes signed when he became Manchester United manager runs out this summer.

    You sound a little upset this evening. As a United supporter I am relaxed and will await next season with interest
    Me too. A good summer clear-out of dead wood required though.
    There is some deadwood but the problem is that it is a poisonous dressing room that has serially disappointed fans and undermined managers. They are capable players, but the bad eggs are spoiling them.
  • AxiomaticAxiomatic Posts: 21
    So what do we think? Is George Eaton about to have his career truncated, by the Spectator?

    https://twitter.com/DouglasKMurray/status/1121043316420825089
  • AmpfieldAndyAmpfieldAndy Posts: 1,445

    RobD said:

    3-0 to the TIGgers, it seems :D

    Tells you why they want the EU to run things here. Not much the TIGgers could organise in a brewery.
    Unlike those masters of organisation, the ERG :lol:
    I wouldn’t argue that the ERG have been utterly clueless but so too have the Remainers and the TIGgers. Wouldn’t be in the position we are as a country were it otherwise. However criticising others to try and mask your own inadequacies, as you seek to do, doesn’t achieve much.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,083

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is a fairly astonishing statistic - only a quarter of Germans have any idea of who Manfred Weber, their candidate for the EU presidency, is...
    https://www.politico.eu/article/manfred-weber-germans-poll/

    The problem is that it’s not particularly astonishing. It’s yet another example of how the EU elites move in their own circles, completely unencumbered by the need to win the support of the people they will rule over.

    How many outside Luxembourg had heard of J-C Junker, before he got the top job?
    How many people really know anything about the MEPs they have to vote in? We have never taken the EU parliament seriously. Maybe if they'd been more connected to us, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now.
    They used to be elected by FPTP and had a direct link to a geographical area that they had singly 'won' until the way we elected them changed in 1999. I always thought the change was to mitigate Labour losses in 1999 compared to an exceptional good Labour result in 1994. Labour were at that time so obsessed with managing the media and the publics perception they would do anything to keep the honeymoon going. After all it was the same Labour Government that later introduced postal voting to sustain them in power for longer. The up-shot of changing away from FPTP was to create a platform for Farage, if the form of PR used in European elections was never introduced we might not have Brexit as an issue. Sure some would rant about the EU but if they have no platform or public office to attack from they have no reason for public attention. Farage would probably have remained on the fringes but concentrating on making money rather than publicity....
    Perish the thought that more people’s votes might actually count for something.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,232
    isam said:

    Brexit is no longer about the pros and cons of Leaving the EU, it is more like an initiation test that MPs must pass before the public will trust them.

    Like most initiation tests, the actual act may seem pointless or even slightly harmful to the person having to do it, but if they don't, they will never get the respect of the group.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shibboleth
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,263

    Sean_F said:

    Its pretty sad if people are so close minded they wont date somebody based on a particular vote. Mrs U and I have regularly voted for different political parties.

    My wife and I voted differently over Brexit, but we're still together. So did my mother and father. Not everything is about politics.
    I talked both my wife and nephew around from Remain to Leave.

    I also managed to do so with one of my closest friends, and failed with another.

    There is only one friend I can think of with whom it’s been an issue. Otherwise all of our relationships are functioning as normal.
    My oldest friend has always voted Tory or further right - once went BNP. We're mutually amused by our respective weird views.
  • Just think the six year contract David Moyes signed when he became Manchester United manager runs out this summer.

    And what has Koop got to show for all the money he’s spent ? Nothing. OGS hasn’t been in the job 5 minutes. No good blaming UTD for your team’s inadequacies.
    Inadequacies?

    We're likely to finish on 97 points.

    Klopp's net spend is circa £120 million in four years.

    City's under Pep is close to £600 million

    United's since Klopp took over Pool is close to £400 million.
    United will recover a large part of the 400 million when they sell de gea, pogba, sanchez and martial along with other dead wood

    Remember OGS has not made any signings yet
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,958

    Just think the six year contract David Moyes signed when he became Manchester United manager runs out this summer.

    And what has Koop got to show for all the money he’s spent ? Nothing. OGS hasn’t been in the job 5 minutes. No good blaming UTD for your team’s inadequacies.
    Inadequacies?

    We're likely to finish on 97 points.

    Klopp's net spend is circa £120 million in four years.

    City's under Pep is close to £600 million

    United's since Klopp took over Pool is close to £400 million.
    The person in second is the first loser.....
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,232
    AndyJS said:

    nico67 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    According to one recent poll by YouGov, for example, while 11% of Leavers would mind a little or a lot if a relative married across the Brexit divide, this jumped to 37% among Remainers.

    How much of this is an age thing? I suspect young people generally tend to have very firmly held opinions and can't understand why anyone would have a different view.

    So, if you asked young people about "Could you marry someone who didn't believe in gay rights?" then you'd get much more extreme answers than from 50 year olds.

    In other words, if you compare 44 year old Remainers with 44 year old Leavers, do you get such a big disparity?
    My Eldest Granddaughter (late 20's) has recently acquired a new boyfriend. I asked if he was a Remainer, and she said he was, and they'd had that conversation very early on.
    what a sad family
    No what’s sad is removing the rights of the younger generation especially to live and work in the EU and to enforce a future on them they don’t want .
    Does leaving the EU remove people's right to live and work there?
    Um...yes.

    [Genuinely. Is that a serious question?]

    In many cases they may have the option, but they don't have the right. The concepts are different.
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